Luke Danes and The Case Of The Missing Hat - Gilmore Girls S7 E20

Hi gay! Have you noticed our new look? Do you love it?? I know you do! This week we fantasize about living in New York, some of our favorite moments from the SAG Awards (This is a Jamie Lee Curits STAN account!!), we dig into our uneasiness over the trajectory of Lane's character, and we get into a HEATED discussion about whether Luke lost his hat or if he hid his hat.

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Episode Transcript

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Hello. Hello.

(00:02):
So what, no fucking ziti now?
Don't make me laugh.
Hi, welcome to you know that episode. I'm Trev.
And I'm Victoria. We're two friends who watch too much TV.
We break down iconic episodes of good shows.
And bad.
And explain why we feel the way we do.
Today we're talking about season 7, episode 20 of Go More Girls titled Lorelei Lorelei, which aired on May 1st, 2007.

(00:26):
I fucking love this episode.
And like, episode was amazing.
I mostly love this episode.
Like, talking last week about the one you picked, how you mostly like it for the Emily and Richard scenes and the dog and everything like that.
Yeah.
I, this episode is like totally fine. I think there's a lot of good stuff in it.
What really takes it into like my favorite favorites is Luke and Lorelei.

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It's just so good.
And throughout the whole episode, there's a lot of Luke and Lorelei stuff and obviously we're gonna, we'll talk about the ending, but it's that last like 15 minutes.
Like the karaoke scene on is just, it's exact, it's everything.
It's perfect.
But before we get into all the Gilmore girls of it all, we have a couple hot topics things to talk about.

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The first one I want to talk about really badly is that Bernie and I finally started watching a League of their own, which I know, I know.
It took us way too fucking long.
Nobody come for us.
This is safe space.
Right.
For not watching things.
Right. I know. I know.
Nobody come for us in the comments or on Twitter.
Yes, please.

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I'm just happy to be watching it. I'm just happy to be here. Happy to be invited.
I love that it's not one of those queer baby shows that makes you wait like 88 years to see the two gay characters.
Cause it's like, we are fucking on episode one.
We are gay, loud and proud.
We are queer. We are here.
It's gay top to bottom. Truly.
Like it's, it's crazy gay.

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This is one of the gayest shows I've ever watched and that's coming from someone who's one of my top favorite shows is The L Word.
This is a very, very gay show.
Like episode one is hot and heavy.
It's so sexy.
It's so good. It's so.
It's so sexy and hot.
It's so yeah.
And like funny, intimate, like warm.

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I know it's a familiar. Like I feel like I'm in the world.
I, I watched it.
So Tony and I watched it like when it came out in a sitting.
Oh my God.
And it blew us away.
Yeah.
I just, I love it so much.
It's so much fun and sad and.

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It needs to get renewed for fuck's sake.
I can't believe they haven't yet.
I really can't.
Like it's giving me a palpitations.
It's it's.
It's a little.
I just don't know how they haven't renewed it yet.
I genuinely, and like I know a lot of shows like are in these wishy washy periods.
Streaming is weird.
Everything is getting canceled.
Like nothing is getting renewed, especially a lot of queer stuff and like specifically like lesbian centered stuff is getting not canceled and like all this shit.

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Yep.
But it's like, I can't like, believe me, I don't know anything about budgets of TV shows and all of this type of shit.
It's not like they have really large like intricate sets.
Right.
You know, it's not like it's this big sci-fi story or whatever or like Game of Thrones level shit.
It's like, for the most part, pretty self contained stuff.

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Exactly.
It's really intimate in its settings and things like that.
I I can't imagine I can't imagine it's a budget thing at this point.
The creator of the show, Will Graham and a bunch of fans on Twitter have been tweeting nonstop about renewing it.
Yeah.
Which and fucking what's her name?

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Is it one of the create?
Abby Jacobson.
Yeah.
Is also like co-writer and creator too.
Yeah.
It's so cool and she's so good in it.
Oh, she's everything.
I love her so much.
I will say.
Okay.
I'm just like general opinions because Victoria hasn't finished it at this point.
I'm about three episodes short of finish.
So we're going to avoid spoilers and things like that.

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Okay.
Abby is like, for me, the weakest part acting wise.
Okay.
And that's one of the biggest like critiques I saw of it when it first came out.
But you know who fucking steals the show for me?
Who?
Kate Berlant.
Really?
She is, yes.

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I don't know what like she, every time she's on screen, it works for me.
She's so fucking funny.
I think it's also because like I listened to her podcast is definitely a factor at Bernie
and I find ourselves annoyed by her character and not in a funny way.
We're just like, oh my God, the roommate is so annoying.

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See, I love her.
I think you need her to really appreciate everyone.
She's like a necessary evil almost.
I, you know who I love?
Who?
Roberta Calindra's.
Okay.
Do you want to know something really funny that I found out literally yesterday?
Fun home.
Fun home?
I knew that.
Roberta Calindra's was dating up until recently.

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Uh, no.
Kate Berlant.
What the hell?
Yeah.
Wow.
They were in a relationship up until like semi recently.
I was talking to my neighbor, Amelia.
Shout out.
I think they listen.
We were talking about it and they were like, oh, them and their friend think that they broke
up and I was like, they were dating.
I had no idea.
And I guess on our episode of Pug recently, which is Kate Berlant's podcast, she was talking

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about how she's been like lonely and like spent New Year's alone and like they were like
dating, dating.
It's like crazy.
But I, yeah, Roberta Calindra is a fucking star.
Also, Kelly McCormick.
I love, well, I need to talk about fun home a little bit.
I loved, I loved Roberta and in fun home.
And I saw Roberta and fun home.
Did you really?

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I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I have, um, I have her autograph in my copy of fun home.
That's so fucking cool.
Like the, um, yeah, I have it in my copy of fun home.
The graphic memoir, not the like playbook or anything.
Well, I also have it on the play bill.
But yeah, but I need to read.
I've never read fun home.

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Oh, it's so good.
I actually love the second book, um, in that sort of, I consider it like a.
Do you?
Yeah, I don't consider it like a series is only like two really that are kind of related
works, I guess you could call them.
It's called, are you my mother?
And it's an exploration more of her relationship with her mother where it's fun home is all
about her dad.

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And like, of course, fun home is fucking fun home.
It's, yeah, it's phenomenal.
It's phenomenal.
But are you my mother is, I think the more deep work.
Maybe the time pick a, see if the local bookstore has them.
Yeah, take a look.
If not, they'll probably definitely be at your library.
Yeah, true.
I think everyone should read both, but I have to say I started with fun home and then I
saw it on Broadway literally like a couple of days after I read it in one sitting, um,

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was obsessed with it and found out when I went to the stage door got everyone's autographs
took a picture with Roberta and somebody was like, you guys kind of look alike and we do
kind of look alike.
We were laughing about that.
Like I literally met her and took a picture with her.
We laughed about it.
She signed my book and then I found out from somebody else.
Oh, you missed Alison Bechdel.

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She was at the show last night.
I went to the show like the day after her.
Anyway, that's crazy.
My claim to fame.
I love fun home.
Yeah, I never put two together that that was her.
I literally miss my New York era so much.
I miss just going to shows.
I like just a casual night on Broadway.

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I've been in such a like high school Trevor mode lately where I'm just like fan us constantly
fantasizing about living in New York.
I know, right?
Like what the hell is that?
And I just like regressing a little bit.
I know.
I don't think I could do it.
I think I could, but I would suffer.

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Like there would definitely be payoffs like, oh my God, I'm going to see this amazing Broadway
show. I'm going to this amazing event or this art gallery opening or like canoodling with
celebrities or people like that.
But then I would be like no backyard and yeah, like I have to take the subway everywhere.
Yeah, like I think a lot.

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I think I also miss a lot living really close to New York.
Yeah, because when I live in Philly, I went all the time.
Like I would just pop up on the train or the bus or something like that.
It would be so easy.
Right.
And I, yeah, I'm having this like weird like fantasies about living in New York, which I

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just don't think is plausible for me at this point.
Definitely not right now.
Yeah, not for me right now.
But I'm always texting Tony.
I'm like, what if we just moved to New York?
What if we moved to New York?
Right?
We moved to New York.
And the way we think it's like just that easy.
I mean, in a way kind of is Tony's like, no, like we're not doing that.
I'm like, but what if we did?
Like, I don't know.
It'd be kind of crazy.

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Come on, Tony.
Yeah, like stop being a pussy.
Literally then last week I was like, let's just move to Seattle.
Period.
I was like, fuck it.
I just, I was like, because I've been thinking a lot.
This is not related to anything we're talking about, but whatever.
I was like, because I was thinking like, oh, I've lived in Portland for like three years

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now, like how much longer do I want to be here?
I'm thinking I'm capping it at five.
Okay.
So I think I have two more years here, like two more solid years.
That's a good number.
Yeah, right?
I feel like it's a good goal to set like, you know, I lived somewhere.
I chose to live there for five years.
I did it.
I made a life for myself there.
And then I'm going to need, I need something new after that.
Right.
But I think I want to go out West.

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Honestly, anytime you want to come visit to try it out, let me know you can stay at our
house.
I would honestly, I need to visit anyway.
Yeah, you need to visit anyway, but also the added bonus of we will show you the sites.
I will take you to my favorite gay bar in Seattle, which is called Pony.
And great name.
Oh, you have no motherfucking idea.
I'm going to, I'm going to text you some pictures after this.

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Oh, please do.
But yeah, I think I'm just like, I'm in the spot where I'm young enough where I want to,
I don't haven't decided yet where I want to settle down quote unquote, but I need to start
trying it.
I think so.
Tony and I are going to Chicago for a couple days in May, which will be fun.
One of my best friends, Ben lives there.
So we're going to see him and we're going to go to a concert and like see some art and

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stuff like that.
But yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm starting to plan and like get it in my head of like, okay, in
two years I need to go somewhere new.
Okay.
I love that plan for you.
I'm really excited.
But I'm completely fucking unrelated.
I'm, I watched, I lived in New York so I could see all these plays.
Yeah.
I was in New York this weekend.
I know.
And are you so excited?
Yes.

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We're so excited.
We're seeing Chicago with Jinx Monsoon, which sounds, it's like, I've only seen amazing
things.
And then on Sunday we're going down to Jersey because we're going to see Hercules at the
Paper Mill Playhouse.
Oh, that's cute.
Like pre Broadway.
Oh my God.
Like version of the show.
So we're very excited.
Oh my God.

(11:42):
That sounds amazing.
So that'll be really fun.
Cute.
Oh my God.
We hope you don't have a great time.
Fuck all of that.
What?
If you haven't noticed listener, they're, the podcast might look a little different.
Oh yeah.
We need to talk about that.
Oh my God.
How did we forget?
We totally glossed over it.
We talked for like 10 minutes about it before we started recording.

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But we got new podcast art.
Do y'all love it?
Because I'm obsessed with it.
I can't stop.
We've been so obsessed.
We're like gabbing about it.
Like we talk about it every day.
I literally could not stop talking about it all day.
So we just got all the official like final drafts and like all that stuff earlier today.
Or like maybe like yesterday from the wonderful Aishin, who is my, one of my best friends

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in the whole world at this point and a phenomenal, phenomenal illustrator and printmaker and artist in general.
And just like the light of my life.
We are so grateful.
She did a lovely job and she did an amazing job.
We can't thank her enough.
We love her.
She deserves a million shout outs.
A million million shout outs.

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We just are obsessed with her.
We're going to link her Instagram and her website in the notes and in the description and all that.
And please go give her a follow if you don't already.
Buy her shit.
Like she has made some of my favorite shirts that I own.
She makes this amazing share shirt, Bruce Springsteen, Abba, these beautiful zines and prints and all this stuff.

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And she has a Patreon, all that.
Like give her her due.
She's so talented, so incredible.
One of the nicest people I know.
And just like she really fucking crushed it.
She deserves all of the fanfare, all of the attention and all of your money.
So go buy her stuff.
Really, please go buy a zine, go buy a print, buy a shirt.

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She is a fucking icon and we cannot thank her enough.
She captured our essence so wonderfully.
She totally did.
You look so cute.
Yeah, we do.
Oh my god, obsessed, obsessed with it.
But okay.
Okay, but moving on into some other topics.
We can talk about the SAG Awards.
Yes.
Some standout moments.

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We have obviously Abba and Michelle keep winning, keep sweeping.
I am.
So we're two weeks away from the Oscars.
Two weeks away from the Oscars.
I will say I was shocked when Jamie Lee won over Angela, but I am.
I am too, but at the same time, I'm not.
I'm not.
And you know what?
I did not like seeing all the Jamie Lee hate on my timeline.

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Like that's not a little icky.
It feels icky because it's like Jamie Lee Curtis is so self aware in a way that a lot
of celebrities, especially of her caliber, aren't right.
She like, she didn't expect all these nominations.
I have to be honest.
I think she deserves at least one win.
It makes sense to me that it was just one.
I didn't think she was going to get the Golden Globe.

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I didn't think so.
I think her winning a SAG makes a lot of sense if you think about who's voting for it.
Right.
It's her, it's her direct community.
People who she like, and that's not to say anyone else doesn't have the same connections,
but it's like Jamie Lee Curtis for so much of her career, especially in the past like
10 years has been such a champion for like the acting community and so outwardly vocal

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for that community.
Exactly.
I mean, like she's been working since the late 70s.
I mean, she talked about that little bit in her, I am an actor speech and she even,
she even talked about the fact that she's aware she's a nepo baby.
It's like, I just, okay, I'm just like not here for any Jamie Lee Curtis hate at this
point.
Like if you don't like her, that's one thing.
But to be like, oh, she doesn't deserve the award.

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You are dead wrong.
Crazy.
It's also like, look, the concept of a legacy ward has existed since the, since we've given
awards.
She, this award is for, she gave this outstanding performance in that movie.
She is like one of the breakout parts of that movie.
Right.
I don't care what anyone says.
Like people who are diminishing it by saying it's like not serious compared to the other,

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it's like first off, that whole movie is crazy.
Stephanie Shue is giving just as crazy of a performance.
Exactly.
And Angela Bassett is like an icon and if she would have won that, she would have also
been getting a legacy award.
When Angela Bassett wins the Oscar, it's a legacy award.
Yeah.
She's probably amazing in Black Panther, but like this is a career Oscar.

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They both deserve all of the accolades and awards that they're getting and they both deserve
all the nominations that they're getting.
I'm just going to say it.
They're nominated for a reason.
Okay.
Sometimes people win.
We weren't expecting them to.
I, for this moment, I agree with Jamie Lee winning.
I love Angela so much with all my heart.
The voting branch, all these people have worked with her.

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She's worked with almost every single person in that room probably.
And she has a good reputation.
She's lovely.
She's so outgoing.
She's so like, I think I was not surprised and I'm so happy for her that she's finally,
this late in her career, getting the respect.
She's getting this almost the same type of renaissance because like Jamie Lee Curtis'

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career is not like storied with these like dramatic roles.
She's not Meryl Streep and she fucking knows that.
And she knows that.
She started out in horror and comedies and like she never got the chance to be a dramatic
actress in the same way so many of her peers did.
So I think she's finally getting this kind of recognition.
And like, yeah, she gives a dramatic, a comedic performance in this movie, but like it's nice

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to see a comedic performance actually win something.
I agree.
I think it's just like, it's constantly relegated to like second tier performances when that's
just not the case.
Oh my God.
It's like, yeah, I totally agree.
Think about how Meg Ryan was not nominated for like when Harry Met Sally.
Stop, stop, stop because it makes me flames on the side of my face.

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Meg Ryan wasn't nominated for when Harry Met Sally, what was it?
Sleep with the Seattle, you've got mail.
She was not taken seriously as a, she was America sweetheart, but she wasn't taken seriously.
It pisses me off to know and Jamie Lee Curtis is being taken seriously for giving a really
amazing comedic performance in a really amazing movie.

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And she deserves it.
Period.
She deserves it.
Period.
And if Angela Bassett had won, she would have deserved it.
Yeah.
Any of them should have like, I don't even know who else that like the three that I know are
Angela Stephanie Shoe and Jamie Lee Curtis.
I can't think of the other nominees.
I wasn't really paying attention like that.
Anyway though, but anyway though, so she won.
Pay your fucking respects to Jamie Lee Curtis.

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Pay your fucking respects and this is a Jamie Lee Stan podcast.
Until the day we die.
Until the day we fucking die.
I honestly can't believe that I don't have a tattoo of her face on my body.
And like one of the most outspoken trans allies we have in Hollywood.
She's amazing.
She's an icon.
Everything she does is.
Pay your respects.
None of this bullshit.
None of this fucking bullshit.

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Hate on the timeline will get you blocked.
I don't care if you're verified, unverified, two followers.
A friend.
None of that.
UnOURS.
posting on Twitter.
Now there's people who've come and parking in lilac on their jail Bay Night Chوم de
Chomp.
Uh oh, lady you to the post嚟 Alright it's okay.

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Yeah, an email now.
You missed it. I was like, oh thank god somebody quickly posted it on the timeline
I saw because you retweeted it. Yeah, I mean I literally was in the middle of tweeting something so stupid

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I did love your tweet of oh my god. I forget her name Lisa. It's not no not Lisa
Oh wait, who did I tweet about last night? It's fucking I'm looking now
I have to admit I just fired these tweets off some of them get
Some of them Eva. Oh
Janelle James Janelle James and the tweet you made of Quinta and Janelle James. This isn't one of those kids kiss cams

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Is it that's a direct quote? That is a cold open was it? Yeah, I
Didn't watch I was watching through Twitter because I was not doing anything. Oh my god. No that that I wish I was that funny
But no, that's literally something I thought you I was giving you credit, baby. Oh my god. No
I mean, I appreciate it, but no it's credit and deserves they

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That's so fucking funny. I take it but I never mind. I take it all back. Oh my god. Okay
So yeah Quinta and Janelle's skit was super funny. I'm obsessed with them
They pretend to be looking at a menu and then the camera guy comes over and Janelle's like, oh, sorry
I need like two more minutes. I haven't looked at the menu yet and Quinta's like, um, that's not that's not a waiter
That's the cameraman. We have to say our I am an actor speech and she's like what what are you talking about?

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She's like, um, we were supposed to write something. She's okay. You didn't tell me and she's like
Well, I definitely put it in my calendar to tell you and she's like, anyway
I have recurring dream ever since I started in this business that I would be in a room and have to give a speech in
front of everyone in Hollywood and have nothing prepared and thanks to my friend Quinta it came true

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It was so funny
Um, okay, and then we also have to talk about Lisa and Walter
Bringing Elaine Hendricks from the parent trap. They both looked as her date
Okay, and I need to say a fact about Lisa and Walter's stress that I've been holding in

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She bought that dress six years ago at a boutique when she's taking care of her mom and she was out of work
And she literally said to herself when she bought the dress
I'm buying this dress and I'm gonna only wear it if I ever get to go to the sag awards
And she finally got to go not only that fucking cute not only that she did get to go to the sag award

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She also won as she fucking should so that dress is a manifestation dress
I don't anybody says she looked so fucking amazing in that dress
Literally was like staring at it and I was like
I'm just stunning
She literally looked like a man-eating

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like viper widow whose husbands mysteriously died hot like
Okay, could talk about it for hours last breaking news what I think I don't okay
Take this with a grain of salt. Oh, I am going to send you a tweet
Oh that I just saw you're scaring me and it is diabolical

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Die a fucking bollock all I just sent I texted it to you everyone
I'm sorry react live on on on Mike. Okay 27 minutes in and I'm literally about to live react to a tweet
I still have not received it. Okay. It should be it should it says delivered so well or it's getting delivered relax
It's okay. It's like it's so

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Abhorrent that it's taking it's okay. It's a oh my god a new look at Sebastian in the upcoming the little mermaid
What the fuck is that is that not the most fuck that can't be real. What the fuck is that?
What the fuck is that?
What the fuck is that?

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Oh, no, who tweeted this who tweeted this? I don't know
It's like the Hollywood handle. Let me look
This is a verified account because it's subscribed to Twitter blue. Oh, honey. That doesn't mean anything. They're all like that now
Wait, I need to look I okay

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This is crazy. That is the ugliest scariest thing I've ever seen. Is that real?
I hope not
Well, okay, there's a reason it might be real somebody in the reply says we will be seated to support this movie
It's real because there's a target exclusive

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Little mermaid book like that's coming out that has Halle as
Aerial like at the new version and that's what Sebastian looks like on the cover. It's
Literally reminding me of mr. Crabbs. No literally and there's a link to like the official target website with that art. Oh
Geez that is oh it's on like an official fucking little mermaid puzzle. It's horrifying. It's horrifying

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Shit my little cousins are gonna get scared and have a fucking nightmare. Thanks. Go to this movie. I
Hate it. I really hate it. Oh my god. Okay enough of that
I just needed to get your reaction because I was like this I'm gonna have a nightmare tonight
Okay, moving on the last hot topic we have is

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Fucking half an hour in
Courtney Cox finally got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and we are so happy for her and so proud of her our Gale
Weathers our Monica Geller are everything
And she is the mother. I never had she is the sister. I would always want she is the friend everybody deserves
I'm so excited

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for the new screen movie
I'm boycotting it. Why? Because Sydney's not in it
Yeah, but Courtney Cox is I know but I'm sorry, I just can't that's fine. I'll see it
I know let me know how it is. I will I think I'm gonna like it. I like the last one
I like the last one too. So I'm excited to see and it's in New York. Like I like when horror movies are crazy

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Yeah, like it's kooky. Why are they in New York? It doesn't make no sense, but I'm happy
I'm can't wait to watch it. I can't wait to hear your review. Yeah, but Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudrow
Giving like the little speech at the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I was like very cute melted my heart
I just love them. I love them so damn much. This is a friend stan podcast
It really is and fuck the haters. I'm sorry y'all like

(25:58):
Y'all are boring. Can I just say one thing?
Friends haters are fucking boring same thing goes for Seinfeld haters. Listen, just admit that you didn't grow up
Just admit that you didn't grow up watching these amazing shows with your family and Roseanne too
by the way, if you're a roseanne just get off of our podcast, but like baby
You did not grow up entrenched in media and pop culture the way some of us did if you didn't grow up watching

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These shows and are an adult stan of these shows to this day
You didn't experience it the way you were meant to experience it with your family
Screaming and hollering at you that the show is about to start or get your ass down. Yeah
I'm like I'm so disolving eating dinner eating dinner in front of it on the chip dinner place like okay
When my parents visited for Christmas and I had my surgery on

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surprise
We literally watch friends for four days straight, right?
Like just put it on HBO and just let it run. There's nothing else to do that is ever but that is a comfort show that is
Just I can't I can't explain it anymore. I just can't I'm sick and tired of fucking explaining this to you people
I either the girls that get it

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We're moving on get it get it. Yeah, you don't get it
You're ugly. Yeah period. All right moving on. Let's kick off this episode now
Let's start talking about the actual freaking episode. You're more girls another iconic piece of media perfect in every way
I'm in this episode proves it
So have you ever had a nightmare about school? Yes, really? I haven't I really have I actually have that makes sense for you though

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I write all of my nightmares down and I write all of my dreams down if I can if I remember them when I wake up
I literally write them down Wow I
Don't ever remember my dreams never no Wow
Oh, yeah, I'm like very there are very few dreams in my life that I remember I
Don't know why that's shocking. I I literally love logging all of my dreams. I write down date

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I write down everything I can possibly remember I
I just read a really funny one on my notes app
I'll text I'll text you a screenshot
But yeah, I like I like that this I like this dream sequence in the beginning of Rory kind of just like freaking out
I love it because and this is a note that I have it's not just me going off the cuff. I

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Love like the element of the uncanny that usually appears in the dream
And like the dreams that they show on this on the show like I feel like for a lot of Gilmore girls
The tone is always the same it always has the same vibe each up every episode of Gilmore girls has the same
Warmth to it the same cadence like the same fast talk like I there's not really a specific episode

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I can think of where that where I'm like, oh that was an off episode for them
Like nothing comes to mind
but the element of the uncanny like the weirdness of the dreams and like the
slowed down
Almost vibe that they have like there's a few different ones that come to mind
There's one dream that Lorelai has about Paul, Inc. of the dog and Paul Inc. of the human that he's named after and they keep

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Switching back and forth and then there's this dream of Rory at Chilton where she gets kicked out of the school
And then she goes home and then Lorelai is like
Yeah, and then Paris and Doyle are living at their house and it's like they have the future that Rory wanted for herself almost
Yeah, and then the other dream that comes to mind is the dream that Lorelai has after she has that fight

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Fight with Luke and they break up and he turns into a bow on the couch. Do you remember that one vaguely?
That's kind of an obscure one, but they're all dream related
But it's like almost like Twilight Zone. This one feels like like it could exist
Yeah, this one is just just weird enough where you're like, oh obviously this is a dream and or something weird like right, but it's also like

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It's still kind of grounded in reality. Obviously. She's not going back to high school, right, but
There's it's not like anyone has like tentacles
Right, and it's like we see we know we can tell what's different. She has her season seven Rory hair
We know that she's not back at Chilton and this isn't a flashback
This hair looks like a fucking wig it looks like a wig and it's so bad and like

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Since when does Roy have curly hair? So that's the part that makes me even more suspicious of her season seven hair

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It's like she's had pin straight hair forever and now she's trying to tell us she has curls. She has waves
It's a wig. I'm sorry, but yeah, I like this little dream. I
Also don't really have I mean, I think I've had like maybe a couple nightmares on my whole life
This is not I wrote the way Roy's nightmare was like my most normal while

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It's like literally the most normal dreams that I could ever have like
Yeah, it's not a nightmare by any stretch of word hot take it's because she's fucking boring
She is the most boring person alive. She's the most milk toast boring person
And I I I don't feel bad for her in this episode

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Me either she needed to get knocked down a pack old yeah
Yep, we are on the complete and utter same page and I and Lorelai says more or less the same thing later on in the episode
Where she's like you've had a really easy go of it. It's about time things got hard
It's gonna build character, right? I completely agree with it and I literally wrote
Shortly before of Roy has the realization that she was way too cocky and shot down

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the lady from the
Providence like star pressure. Yeah, whatever the shit
I literally wrote like
She's so cocky that she thought she was gonna get the New York Times thing and then she finally realized like
Okay, this is the real world. I'm not I'm not a small
She's like she's like still

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Navigating the world with like the big fish in a small pond mentality and it's like the world is not like that in the slightest
You might be a big star in your hometown, but out there in the real world. You're nobody
I think it's also a huge factor into this and like why she's not getting these jobs
Why she's not like finding her footing in the same way that all her friends and like cohort is is that it's like

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Yes on paper. She's phenomenal. She's so smart. She's like obviously very good at what she does
There's no way around that not discrediting that
She's just like she has no personality
Yeah, like she's just boring and like doesn't have a perspective
I just think yeah, I mean it's not working out for you. You don't have anything interesting to say

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Her where she's situated in the world is just not an interesting point of view in my mind
Yeah, like she's just not giving I would rather read
Something written by Paris than I would by Rory 100% and I don't even know why I'm saying that because
Honestly Paris's upbringing is probably not that different from Roy's in fact. She's probably more privileged than Rory. Yeah, basically grew up with like

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Rich grandparents and a single mom who refused her grandparents help but like for some reason I find
Paris more interesting because at least she's opinionated and at least she has a personality
There's a perspective there at the end of the day that Rory just lacks
So I don't really feel bad for her throughout this whole episode where it's just like things not working out, right?

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But yeah, yeah, I agree. No, I agree
Um
so anyway
Rory wakes up from her dream and we move on to
Emily and Richard and Friday night dinner
Richard looks fucking hot. You say this every single time and I've never been wrong

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Okay. I the silver it looks great the silver hair. Yeah, she looks Emily looks hot too everyone in the scene
I mean except for
Looks hot. I love later season Gilmore girls me too. Everyone's just like feeling it. Yeah, they look amazing
Like Laura looks stunning. Oh my god. She always does so

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They buy her they buy an apartment in New York for Rory
And then they're like so that way when you're working in the city
You just have somewhere to stay for free and you don't have to worry about that little known hassle called rent in New York
and she's like, oh, but
that's
Nice of you, but I'm actually not so sure about living in New York

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And they're like, what do you mean? And she's like, well, I just I didn't get the New York time fellowship internship
I
Don't understand why she wouldn't apply to another paper in New York
Like there's so many opportunities in 2007 pre-internet media
Right, like you could find a job there. I

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guess I
Guess she was just feeling kind of elitist in a way. Yeah, obviously we see she was trying to
Hold out hope for the best media institutions
But she considers the best media institutions to be and one of those in her list is the New York time
So of course she shoots down the smaller newspaper that offers her a job right out of college because she's like

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I'm cool enough to get a job at the New York Times. Yeah at 22
Yeah, and I'm listen, I'm not one of those people who's like a
Constant like pessimist and like never believe in your dreams. You're nobody you're worth it
But in this instance, I just don't think Roy was being very realistic
She didn't even have like a backup plan and then only fell back on her first job offer when she realized how hard it was

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Going to be for her to find a job in her field
Like she didn't actually reach out to the lady from the newspaper like she shouldn't have burned that bridge
That's that's what I'm trying to say 100% in the bridge because she got way too cocky
And I'm not saying it's a bad idea to follow your dreams
I'm saying you should have a backup plan and she didn't have one she should she should have had a backup plan no doubt
And it's just like yeah, it's really unfortunate for her that she is

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kind of a dick yeah and
Kind of screwed herself over and in the long run here by not having a backup plan and not being prepared
But I mean she's she's fine at the end of the day. She's not gonna be
Broke and like living on the streets like she's sweet. We fine right. I wish I had a rich family. I

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Kind of do too, but then I also wonder like I
Feel like it would be boring in a way
Like I kind of love I kind of romanticized my childhood of like I do too
Going to inner city public schools
having to like
Struggle a little bit. I think it really it like fucking builds character. It really does. That's why you like

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You I would not trade my childhood for the world. I'm just gonna say it like that
It wasn't perfect. I had a lot of different challenges. Everybody has a different set of challenges
I kind of loves my childhood
Yeah, I think looking back on mine. I don't think I would change mine or I wouldn't change it a ton
I wish we could be rich now though. I would love to be rich now. We were like built to be rich. I think so

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What is it? Um
champagne taste
But yeah, I don't know the rest of that bitch
She's it money. Yeah
Asked money
But yeah, I don't know this whole scene is like fine in this up
I like I like seeing them all interact me too
But it's just kind of like nowhere going nowhere because nowhere because it's not like she does have a job in the in New York

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Where she has to kind of work now around Richard and Emily in the future and everything like that and continue this relationship
It just kind of puts an end to
This yeah, and I think it also is meant to sort of highlight how much they believe in her because they're like shocked to find out that
She doesn't get it and then it goes to show like they're part of the reason
I think they're kind of enablers in that sense

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They're part of the reason why she was so cocky because they've always built her up to be like oh our granddaughter is a star
Oh, how dare you Mitchum hunts burger not
It's interesting that you bring that up because I think it's really different than how Lorelai
Like supports supports her like bolsters her yeah, because even later on in the episode Rory is like

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It's all your fault really that this happened because you told me that I could do anything and Lorelai's like well
I do think you could do anything. I just think I think Lorelai
Had tried to instill in her like you work as hard as you can and good things will happen to you no matter
Why it may not be immediate, but it'll happen
Rory took her words way too, sir

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What it's literally like she took it literally this is a problem
Lorelai meant you can do anything as in like if you want to be a writer
I support you if you want to be a firefighter I support you if you want to be
Working at the stars hollow library is for you and worry thought it meant you can go out there and be Pat Benatar
I believe that you are actually able to become Pat Benatar, but that's a worry thought she meant I think

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Lorelai I think Lorelai does believe if she wanted to she could be Pat Benatar. I think
Lorelai understands that it's not gonna happen overnight
Mmm, and I think that's not to Rory
Misses right and I think this is her learning that lesson where you know what I can find success and I can reach my goals. I

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just need to like
Put my whole I need to work my ass off for it
Yeah, so it's like you know in ten years. I could get a job at the New York Times or
The LA Times or whatever it is, you know, they mean I just it's not just gonna happen because I want it to I need to really work
For it outside of school now and like pay my dues

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Right, and I think Lorelai understands that and did understand that from the jump
Yeah, but now now Rowan is learning it and that's fine
Yeah, she's taking her a little a little while to learn the lesson, but as long as she learns it I guess exactly
Okay, so then we cut to Luke's and Lorelai walks in and

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The dress in the outfit and the boots. It's just a lot. She's looking really good. She's so pretty
And miss Miss Patty and bebet
They're saving their voices because they're gonna do karaoke tonight and she Lorelai goes
I think that ship has sailed

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They're like oh we're doing our cabaretia we're premiering our cabaret show at Casey's bar and she's like oh
I thought Casey's bar had karaoke tonight and they're like yeah, that's why we've reserved the first 15
I'll say it again. I need to miss Patty and bebet spin-off. I love everything they do. I love everything they say
So funny everything hilarious. They're delivery is so like perfect

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They make the they make the Luke diner scenes
Feel more rich. I've never done karaoke
What? Yeah, you call yourself a gay person. I mean I guess more in practice I
Am astounded what's your go-to karaoke song? This is the most shocking thing you've ever said I can't I would really like it asking I

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mean
Having the opportunity to literally scream into a microphone and you're encouraged to sing badly because when people sing
Amazingly at karaoke they sometimes get booed
Yeah, as they should as someone who's never done karaoke
I feel like if you're a good singer you shouldn't be allowed to carry that is our one and only place in time to sound horrible
And still be given a microphone. Yeah, if you can sing do not go to karaoke go get yourself a fucking show on Broadway

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Okay, what's your go-to karaoke song?
Um, I have a couple
Anything Ashanti, okay, and I usually J Lo's discography correct
I usually I usually do Ashanti and I usually dedicate it to all my Libras in the room. Oh my god
No doubt anything. Oh, yeah

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funny
Excuse me. Mr. Would be so much fun. Excuse me. Mr. Sunday morning spider webs is my go-to go-to like if I'm
Lost in Tarnation. I don't know what to sing
I think I would I think okay, I
Think I would probably choose like a country song
Really, I thought you were gonna go Broadway for sure. No, I like hercules

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I thought you're gonna do zero to hero that would be really fun
I think there's a lot of good like musical theater stuff that's I find fun to sing but my favorite music to sing along to his country
What song would you choose? I?
would probably either do
Neon moon by Brooks and Dunn, okay, who my favorite songs ever or

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Live like you're dying by Tim McGraw
Okay, crowd pleaser
And then well Tony texted me this one time and it was like okay
If we were to do karaoke together, what song would it be and I said islands in the stream?
Bernie and I did karaoke together one time in Boston really yeah, I wish I'm gonna do sitting right next to me because I

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I can't remember I feel like we did no scrubs or something. Oh, that would be so much
What did we perform? Oh, I also do spice girls from time to time
I just anything that I know the words to and can sing without looking at the lyrics is pretty much a game
I would love to do speaking of TLC songs. I would love to do what about your friends. I like
You know, can I say something? Yes, there's a song on TLC's album that is so underrated their second album

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That everyone needs to know I'm gonna pull it up. What's on?
The way TLC came up immediately on my recently searched list and I have no idea why as it should
It's on fan mail love fan mail. It's called come on down. Oh
Yes, and I want to say something about come on down

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Come on down
Sounds the way
Waterfalls should sound
You know who wrote come on down now. I'm looking at it who Diane Warren
Really? Yeah
That's interesting. Isn't that crazy?
Diane Warren is out here
That bitch is doing crazy shit check who wrote silly hoe. Oh silly. How's so good Dallas Austin?

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Okay, he wrote a lot of their songs that looks like
Interesting um do you want to know something so funny? So my uncle Stefan is the one who showed me
TLC when I was growing up and
He was obsessed with them. That's his favorite band of all time
He's met them a bunch. What? Yeah, he was like obsessed

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And he's actually in left eyes video for what the fuck her her like solo single
He's in the music video. That is the craziest thing you could have ever said to me
I know he was like obsessed with her. I love facts about your life. It's crazy. He's a wild he has like he's
He's a stand. He's a crazy stand

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Like oh gee, okay, let me put a cap on this thought the reason I talked about what the reason I said come on down
Sounds the way waterfalls should sound is because I think that this song come on down should be called waterfalls
I'm not saying I don't like waterfalls because waterfalls a great song
But the term the name waterfalls would fit this song so perfectly. Let me know if you understand what I'm talking about people

(45:49):
I know exactly what you mean. You know what I mean, okay?
Alright moving on you die and Warren wrote that I can't I'm shocked. Are you sure it's the same person? Yes?
I looked I I made sure
That is shocking to me, are you sure yes
They're cover of if I was your girlfriend
Bagging wait, are you sure it's Diane Warren? I'm not over that. Yes

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It's Diane fucking Warren
Like 19 time fucking Oscar nominee
This is shocking okay, we need to move on Oscar this year. I'm proud of her. We need to move the fuck on yeah, all right
Um, she's so iconic. She's so iconic

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This is when Lorelai realizes that she that Luke is wearing her hat
Oh my wait Diane Warren wrote on break my heart by Tony Braxton. Okay, Trev. We need to move on from I know. I'm sorry
It's okay
But damn
That's shocking though
She was in everyone's bag
She was in her own bag. She was getting paid. Um, okay. Yeah, so Luke looks great

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And he's wearing the blue hat. He's back with her hat and she
Takes it so to heart. She's like shocked
I
She's like trembling. He's like, are you okay? And she's like, yeah. Yeah. Yes
So tell me about your boat trip and then she immediately goes to the firefly and fucking screams about it to see
But as she should but she also said she's shout out to southern Maine

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Oh, we're are we gonna talk about barnacle billies? It's a real place. It's in a gun quit
I've been to it. Have you really I've been to it. I literally loved it. Oh my god. I loved it. I love a gun quit
It's a beautiful freaking love a gun a gun quit is my favorite place to visit in Maine when I go there
That's right. It has a huge gay population too. Yeah, exactly

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Um, but yeah, she's like talks about southern Maine and they later in the episode talk about kittery and everything like that
And like she's right at this beautiful. It's a great place to sail and everything like that
She's absolutely right and especially she's very right about barnacle billies
um
Honestly, I totally understand why
Rory is like hiding away from the world in a way because yeah, okay. I studied creative writing

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I think if I would have tried to become a journalist right out of school or anything in that world really
I would have probably
Been very suicidal and depressed
Yeah, because it's really difficult to get a job in that role unless you like
Unless you have connections in the publishing world or
Keep trying a million fucking times and never give up any sort of creative endeavor like that is is like near impossible

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It's so hard. So I have a lot. I do have empathy for her in that way
And by the end of the episode when she's like kind of got more fire under her ass
And after she's been cheered up. I'm like, okay, let's go now. We're getting somewhere. Yeah the pity party stuff at the beginning
I'm like
But she has a sidekick which is cool. Did you ever have a sidekick? No, but again my uncle Stefan did

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He's so cool. All right. That's your bestie. That is my bestie
Um, I love sidekicks. I think they're really cool. I did not have a sidekick. I had an envy and I had a chocolate
Oh, the chocolate was so cool. I like the end the look of the envy if I could go back in time and have
Um, one of my old phones again, it would definitely be my envy. I had the orange one

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I would go back and I would have a motor motor roller razor
Really, you would want the razor. I think if there's it's the chicest phone ever made
Can I tell you something? I really would have thought that you would be a blackberry girly for some reason
I did have a blackberry. Okay. That's what I thought. I feel like you're the blackberry type
I really feel like you are. Oh, I if I okay, I would absolutely get a blackberry again

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If I could but I just like the razor is it's so
Cool, it is a sleek very cool phone. It's so sleek and Logan in this episode has one
Yeah, honestly, it reminds me of this one time. It is a no-nonsense phone. It's for cool people only
It reminds it just reminds me of this time that I was
I had like an early dismissal at school and I had to take the bus home

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And I didn't have a phone yet and I had to beg this kid on my bus who had an a pink
Razor phone to borrow so I could call my mom
And she was so mad at me and she was like almost not gonna let me and I was like, please
I'll give it right back. I literally just need to call my mom right next to you
She was acting like I had cooties like okay, but anyway, great
My mom had one and I was like obsessed with it. I but I just love my orange envy

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It was so ugly and chaotic. It had a slip open keyboard. They're very cool. They're very cool
The orange is what made it is kind of like queer signaling in a way
Like I feel like having an orange phone having an orange I agree instead of like a pink or anything like that
Orange is a very gay color orange is so gay and I just loved having the keyboard because I would like type out angry ass messages

(50:56):
I fucking love a keyboard on a phone. I fucked around with this with a t nine
Okay, yeah, I was fast as a motherfucker on that me too because sometimes you have to be but the thing is
For long ass messages and you know, like I'm verbose. Oh, you know I'm verbose, but anyway, I'm a motor or a razor again
Anyway, um, yeah sidekicks are cool phones are cool. I wish phones looked cool still

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Now they're all kind of boring. They all are they really all are like I'd love my iPhone. I guess but like, uh
I don't know like I mean, I'm I'm very much entrenched in the Apple ecosystem
It would be impossible for me to get out at this point. Yeah, like I'm just all over the Apple world, but
If I could go back in time to another phone or if I wasn't so tied into it, I definitely would love to have an envy again

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But anyway, okay, so dumbass cockiness made her get passed over for the job
She calls the lady back into frenzy. She's like, is there any wage chance
Or form that like I could get that job back that I said I didn't want because I was gonna be
Having a job at the New York Times and she's like we already filled it like weeks ago. You lose her

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Yeah, and it's just like that's a bummer scene. That's a bummer because she learned a really hard lesson
And it was probably really tough to swallow. It's a good lesson that she had to learn. Yep
and then we cut to the dragonfly and
And suki's cooking and Lorelai's talking about the hat and if she's like, what does this mean?

(52:29):
Suke is just repeating everything she says. It's so annoying and kind of funny
But it's also just like when you're telling your best friend something that's it's just
That's everyone's relationship. I feel like yeah
They're like he's wearing the hat and she's like he's wearing the hat and he's like the blue one the blue one
Yeah, the one that you gave him. Yep the one that I gave him
And then the whole time suki's trying to feed her

(52:53):
Yeah, she's like, can you try this meatball and she's like it's like way too early. I'm not gonna have a meatball
In what fucking eat the meatball?
Like shouldn't she know by now how good suki's cooking was?
She wouldn't ask her to try and scramble it with some eggs. That sounds so good. That sounds so good. How could she say no to that?
Crazy. I wanted to punch her in the head. But yeah, I like I love the whole hat through line in this episode

(53:15):
I love someone who wears a hat every single day and
Has hats that X X partners have given me. Yeah, I don't wear that shit
Bad juju. You don't wear it. What do you do with them? Do you keep them or throw them away?
Yeah, they're somewhere in the house like probably in storage or something like that. Why are you keeping it?

(53:36):
I don't know. I think it's like a I feel bad throwing it away. I think if anything I should just donate it
But I just never thought to but I don't wear it anymore. I think you should donate it
If it's bad juju then you shouldn't keep it in your house
I think it'd be worse to wear it
So I I understand why she's reading into the significance of him wearing the blue hat even though at the end of the episode
We find out why he's actually wearing the blue blue hat and not which I have so many notes about that

(54:00):
I literally have like almost a paragraph on that
Okay, so we'll get there. But yeah, I like the the hat
That story I love it too. But you know what? I love the part where she's like I should probably do something back and then
She literally sings the most like heart-wrenching romantic fucking ballad ever written
While staring at him in the eyes and not looking away from him. Okay, we'll get there

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We have to get through everything else to get there talk about overkill, bitch. Um, lane is a great mom
Lane is a great mom. Lane and zack have a Fahrenheit 9 11 poster in their house
What's up with that? I don't know. I like that book
I was a no, you're thinking I think you're thinking of um
Fahrenheit uh, oh for you. Jesus Christ. I'm so fucking stupid. Yeah, Fahrenheit 9 9 11 is the Michael Moore

(54:50):
That makes sense for them. They're like cool. I know they're cool
I mean that is a great documentary
But like at the same time like that is the most random poster to have in your house like it's literally a 9 11 documentary
Yeah, in the dream sequence we get a weird 9 11 mention too
And Richard brings up Osama bin Laden. There's a lot of it in this episode. Wait, what's going on?

(55:15):
Yeah, Lorelai is like how much what ounces can you bring on the plane again these days like dada like so off hand
Yeah, and then at and then at Friday night dinner Richard says you would have to write an article about Osama bin Laden
Yeah, like an interview with Osama bin Laden. Yeah, and it's what it's very weird
What the what in the 9 11 is going on with this episode?

(55:36):
We can't get into that that's a tangent. We cannot open up right now. Okay
Um, I love the fakey paper bag. Did you notice that that's a fake paper bag? It's like a canvas bag
It's like a canvas. They're like really nice. Yeah, it looks good. Um, I'm really happy for Zach
I like Zach in this episode a lot. I'm not happy for him at all. I hate this storyline. Oh, I think it's cute. Hate it. I

(56:01):
Hate that Lane has to be a stay-at-home mom taking care of her twins while her husband gets to go on a fucking tour
She started that fucking ban and she was not even with that ban though. I know but it's just success
I hate it. Like it's not fair at all. They completely ruined her character. They gave her the worst story line in the world
I will say the only defense I have is like later on in the episode and Lane admits

(56:22):
She's like, I can't go on tour with the babies. Like I can't do that. Which is understandable sucks, but understandable
I like that. He's like, okay. Well, I'll call tomorrow and say that we can't go and he's like so ready
To not do it. Oh, can I say one more thing? Sorry? Yeah, of course
I should probably also add it on that like this is not a critique on Zach. This is a writer critique

(56:44):
I don't agree with the storylines that they gave Lane at all and I 100%
And so for that reason, I just really don't like the storyline. It has nothing to do with Zach
I thought it was really good that like he offered to not go on the tour
I just don't agree with the fact that she would encourage him to go anyway
She's a way better person than I am
But I don't even think this is the real Lane like this is not the Lane. I know

(57:05):
No, this isn't the Lane from earlier on but I think it's this is all
The OC's fault. Yeah
But you know what with what we have
We'll take it. I'm not taking it. I'm rejecting it completely
I'm taking it because I I find it sweet that she's being supportive and he was so ready to just be like a dad
I want somebody to write some lane fanfic. I need an entire

(57:28):
I need an entire fixer fic of Lane's life. If somebody has one, please send it to me. It has to exist
Okay, let's take a look at the groceries that they bought
That reduced fat original Pringles not even a flavor not even salt and vinegar barbecue. It's original
It's always salt and vinegar, baby. It is when it comes to Pringles
Salt and vinegar has Pringles are like some of the best salt and vinegar chips period period

(57:51):
Um olive oil. I love a potato potato roll
Potato roll. I love a potato roll. She got olive oil baked beans. I think
What was it name brand diapers name brand diapers and then behind them? I noticed these like hand drawn
Like framed drawings. I don't yeah. Did you see those? It's like a bunny wearing headphones

(58:12):
It looked like it was drawn with like markers. Yeah, I just found it cool
It's yeah their house is we I like their apartment. They have like a really weird eclectic style the way musicians tend to
Yeah, it just it feels also very homey. Yeah, it's a good lived-in little house
I just feel so bad for lane like I can't believe she has to be a stay-at-home mom and take care of twins
I just can't believe that

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She should have been a cool rocker mom, right?
If they were gonna do that, they could have done it better like give us both. Yes. Have a cake you need to do
Yeah, she shouldn't have to choose
um
But yeah, that storyline it is what it is
All right, and then we cut to Lorelai pulling up into her driveway and i'm confused. Is this sv

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Like a firefly vehicle like where's the baby? I because I was like I hate this sv
Yeah, where's her jeep? Where's the jeep? The color reminded me of the firefly. So I was like, oh, maybe it's like a firefly vehicle
And she just drove it, but like still where is her car? Where is her jeep?
Yeah, I don't remember the whole like I crashed my jeep or what was the story like her jeep broke down

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And she couldn't buy a new one and luke tried to help her find one. Yes. I'm sure they had like a fight about it
I don't remember always. Yeah
but um
Lorelai's a good mom Lorelai's a good mom rory is like in bed crying because she's scared to get a d um
um
petulant
some of us have failed over 10 classes

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She's also getting a d because she didn't hand in half of it
Now tell me why she is writing about paradise lost in senior year of college when that was part of my sophomore readings
Because she's a loser
Ivy League schools are fake college is fake
As I look at my diploma hanging above me at my desk

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Mine is at my parents house somewhere. I use the I use the um leather like thing that they give it to us in as a mouse pad
I did for like two and a half years. I'm still doing it to this day
Thank you nha. Oh my god. Okay. We're not getting into that right now
But she's talking about a theory shirt and it's like with what money you are in

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I'm unemployed college student and theory shirts cost like 300 each
I
Like I'm not getting it. I'm not I don't know she's out of her. I mean she's crazy. She's privileged
Oh, I hate a Libra. I hate a Libra
You're a Libra
I hate this Libra though
Is she has her rich? She has her rich grandparents money

(01:00:42):
When I buy crazy shit I have to spend my own money same. I don't even want to talk about the money
I've spent recently
Oh my god, don't get me started because when I tell you that I bought a really crazy item to wear
to a certain
Concert
What concert?
I don't want to say it on the air because I don't want to get jinxed or hexed by a hater

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So I'll text it to you
And also I want to see the garment. I will definitely send you multiple photos of me wearing it. Okay. Good. Um
I'm gonna poison Logan. I think I think so too. I think we should both poison him. Oh
Every time he's mentioned it just makes my fucking skin crawl. It pisses me off so bad. He's the worst

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I fucking hate him
The whole storyline with his dad too is what like twisted it up so badly like so rotten to his core
I think the thing that messes me up the most is that Rory's
sense of like
self-doubt and her like
Self-criticism almost started it all started with Logan's dad

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Yes, she just never felt good enough. She was her whole life. She's been made to feel like she's amazing
And then this man just like shits on her
And makes her feel less than I and it again it comes back to what we were saying before
She definitely has big fish in the small pond syndrome
So she thinks she's like maybe a little bit better than she is and I understand he had to like bring her down to reality

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But I also generally it's harmless the way she acts. Yeah, it's harmless
He didn't have to do all that. He didn't really have to no because it's it's malicious with him. Yeah trying to hurt her feelings
He's not trying to like
Be constructive it was not constructive and actually I would almost argue that back then she was probably onto something whereas now

(01:02:31):
It's almost like false hope. Yeah almost no back then I think it made more sense for her to be hopeful
Yeah, she should I mean look she should be hopeful no matter what yeah because without that you will never find success
That's just a given like you need to kind of you need a certain level of delusion to find success in these crazy fields
competitive creative fields

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So I don't I don't find the delusion a bad thing. I think
The humbling and the like character building is necessary to feed into the delusion because it's like well
I can get past this I can get this I can do it
And she got past that but I think it always stayed with her and never quite left her. Yeah
Yeah, it's always she's never gonna feel good enough as long as she's with Logan

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I think that her a lot of her self-worth is tied into her relationship with Logan though at this point in the series
And kind of her partners in general throughout the whole yeah way more than loralizing especially dean and Logan
Yeah, because they've just all I don't even think I don't I don't know I would actually
give it because thinking about what uh

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The graduation episode we talked about two weeks ago
When he calls and she he doesn't say anything and she talked and she like reaps she like goes in on him
And she's basically like
I thought I loved you like that whole diatribe. I think I could have loved you is what she says
Yes, I think I could have loved you. I think the I think the rejection or not rejection the lack of consistency with Jess

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She knows it wasn't his no
She knows it wasn't her fault though that he left and can I say one other thing too?
Yeah, he's the only one who actually tried to talk some sense into her when she dropped out of Yale
And I think that she he helps her realize
How good she is or like how?
Worth it she is
Yeah, I don't agree that he is one of the partners that has had a negative impact on herself worth

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Which is both Logan and dean I can find areas where they've done that the first one is like dean
And his relationship with Lindsay and how he had like an idea of rory not actually who rory was right and like when rory
Went through that entire thing with like jess
And he made her like

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Basically, yeah, and then with Logan it's obviously has a lot to do with his dad
But I feel like it also has to do with like where he sits in the world versus her like he's of a different
Type of yep
Then Emily and richard are and she is only rich by proxy. He grew up in front in the culture of like Christopher and Lorelei

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Yeah, he grew up like Christopher and Lorelei did versus rory growing up the way she did and kind of only having
Exposure to that world through her mom and through her grandparents, but didn't actually
Have a rich parent per se. Yeah
Uh, yeah, that's fair. I definitely don't think jess gets away scot-free with it

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I think that his I think his wishy-washiness definitely plays a factor even if in the end she does realize that it's not her
It's him. Yeah, but I think that I mean that's gonna that's gonna negatively impact you no matter what especially of a teenager
and having to kind of learn that lesson hard at a young age

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that
It's not just because someone's not ready for you doesn't mean it's you right
But I do think I think you're right. It is just it is Logan and um dean more than jess, but just definitely
Just is not a perfect person and by no means they're all they're all kind of fucked up in the world
They're all not good partners for her at the time. She's dating them, right? So then

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Luke gets a phone call
um from
April and april's like dad
I really want to go on this boat trip with you
But I just found out I got accepted to the science camp and there's gonna be like Nobel Peace Prize winners
and like
I don't want to have to decide but I kind of already have decided and he's like I'm so proud of you
I'm so fucking happy for you. You are amazing. I'm so proud that you're my daughter. You're going to the camp

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We're gonna do the boat trip next summer. He's such the best dad
Even though he's sad. He's still just like so proud. Yeah, it's a great thing, but like he's just like
A lot of people hate april
I like that he that she brings out the good dad and yeah
Like he's already a good dad with rory, but like I like the I like what she did to his character

(01:06:59):
Yeah, I think it was I think it was needed because it was kind of just like
Not a look. I don't want to say
I'm gonna say what like stale, but I don't mean stale
Okay, I think he just needed another dimension added to him
Yeah
And april's a really good way of doing that and like I find her annoying but mostly because she's an annoying teenage girl

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Perfectly said I agree with you. I find her annoying the same way. I find rory annoying. It's just she's just like almost too precocious
But like of course she is she's a genius
Of course, she's fucking annoying, but I he's just great in this scene. It makes me really happy that he's just like
Putting his feelings aside because he knows how important this is right. It's exactly how laura lie would react

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Which is why it's good
Right, so then it cuts over to the karaoke night and the neon light background behind them is so iconic and burned into my memory
It's like instantly recognizable
I know I know what that is if you showed me a tiny sliver image of that and asked me what it was
I could immediately be like that is from the karaoke episode of gilmore girls

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This scene is just legendary. It's legendary. I I just know it so well like the back of my hand. I know every moment that is going to happen
And starting with laura lie drinking a cosmo
Oh such a chic drink such a chic drink. It's giving kerry bradshaw. It's giving kerry bradshaw
She's she's main character energy on this part. Yeah, and you know what actually fucking should be I agree

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um, so then we cut back to luke's and
Zach is going on and on about his world tour and it's kind of I think making luke think about his boat
His like boat trip that he was going to take and the fact that he's not going to be traveling all around with his daughter
I think
Zach is way too happy
He's just yeah, he's just he's really excited. Yeah, and like he's just kind of like a puppy

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Yeah
and
I like luke and Zach's dynamic
Because I feel like Zach
Compared to anybody else like compared to brian for example
Yeah is like
Surly kind of like grouchy type
and
Luke with any other character is like a surly grouchy type right to an extent and you look at them both

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You're like oh these two people seem like they act really similar
Yes, but then you put them you put them together and it's like you can tell that
Luke is Luke is so beyond Zach is actually surly Zach makes
Luke makes Zach look like a puppy
Yeah, exactly and then like when he's with like lane and brian you're like oh Zach is like kind of a grouch

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Like I don't really like that. Yeah, he's the straight man
Right
And then but no but then you put him in a room room with luke and you're like okay. This cat has so much energy
He's like bouncing off the walls because luke is just so not it's cute. I also like that. He's like
He's bummed out for luke
Yeah, he knows it's sad
I feel like luke is the kid who would be sad and quiet at purpose like on purpose at school

(01:10:07):
So that people would ask them what's wrong. Yeah, he wants attention, but he doesn't want to talk about it
Right. Everyone's like what's wrong. He's like nothing nothing. No, it's okay. No, it's fine. And he like looks off. Yeah
But I but the scorpio the scorpio. Yeah, truly Zach knows. He's actually bummed
Yeah, and he even says he's like pushing him pushing him pushing him and luke's like no, it's fine
And he's like, okay, you're still processing it

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And then he's good for you Zach when lane comes in and they're talking about it and it gets brought up
And he's like he's still processing it and it's like he knows that luke's bummed
He's just handling it his own way. He has he knows the language
I like that he has the language for it and he even can tell something's off with lane when they're walking to the bar
Yeah, he's like perceptive. It's kind of weird. Yeah, he's really in tune with like the people around him

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Which is a nice dimension to his character that I feel like I wouldn't have thought he was that way early on in this in the show
No, I feel like he's him and lane as much as much again like as much as their story doesn't make sense with how lane was set up
They do kind of grow together to be a really interesting couple
and
Yeah, like a really I like that. He like fully embraces her culture by the by like the end

(01:11:18):
Yeah, like he's like getting along really well with her mom like they have a great relationship
He does the work to become a good dad. He takes it super seriously like I agree with that
Like he's he's offers. He's like great. We won't go on tour. No tour will just stay for this will stay
and he's like just so down to
Make it work. So everyone's happy. Yeah

(01:11:40):
And it's the same thing, you know, like I compared like Luke to Lorelei just now
Zach would do it's the same thing that Luke would do
Yeah, where if like, okay plans change. I'll stay now. I'll make the sacrifice
He kind of did do something like that if you remember you remember when um

(01:12:01):
Okay, wait, oh when he tried to buy the twicum house for Lorelei
And she was like, you know what in reality? I think I just want to stay in my house
I hate the twicum house and I hate your family's old furniture
Like I just want to live in my house with my fucking furniture
Where Rory grew up and where I've lived for the past like 30 years and he's like, okay, no problem
I'll sell the twicum house. We're gonna live in your house. We're gonna fix it up

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We're gonna make the upstairs a little bit bigger. We're gonna build a bathroom up there
Yeah, he's just like house more perfect. Yes
I I like the similarities between Luke and Zach and kind of just their willingness to do stuff for the people they love
And can I just say one more thing and you might remember this other people who have been listening might remember this
I mentioned that they are giving lane Lorelei's storyline

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And that checks out so much like lane
And Zach are like
Luke and Lorelei they literally are I literally said not two or three episodes ago
That the reason I don't like lane storyline is because they're trying to frame Rory as like the perfect kid who made it out of the hometown and like
made it out and got to work with the obama administration and

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Lane storyline is what happens when you settle down
With some guy right out of call like right out of high school
And get knocked up and you have to stay living in your hometown
And it's hard with a kid and you're living but like paycheck to paycheck
Exactly, they're giving her Lorelei's exact storyline down to the pregnancy. I don't really remember what happens in a year in the life as well

(01:13:31):
I do remember them all being a little bit old
Yes, but I think it's like
I think that's another reason why while frustrated by lane's predicament
I'm not saddened by it because with the idea of like okay. Well, she's getting the Lorelei edit
There is a happy ending for her like look at how things work things worked out amazing for Lorelei. Yeah, no, I'm definitely like but still

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I I just envisioned
Different for lane
It's not that I don't want lane to be a mom
It's not that I feel like there's anything wrong with being a mother. I just think lane's character
Told us every single way that she was not going to settle for the life that she had in
It feels like a shock and that's a huge critique. I think I mean

(01:14:16):
I have someone who's been in the fandom not as long
But like has been in online spaces where people are talking about Gilmore girls
That's one of the biggest critiques people have with the show is like
lane's storyline and her treatment of the like the treatment of the character
I think she definitely would have been a mom at some point. She would have done it her own way
It wouldn't have been this way and it would have taken her longer

(01:14:36):
She would have done the whole rock star thing probably made it somewhat
Honestly, like if I had to go out and write my own
lane fixer fic it would be she goes out becomes like somewhat of a local celebrity in the like
rock band world
Makes a good name for herself. Hepalion is like a really successful band for a while and they kind of live off of like local fame

(01:15:00):
Yeah, like tri-state area fame
And then honestly all you kind of need. Yeah, and then
They do it for a while
And then she realizes that she wants to maybe slow down a little bit and take a break from touring and just kind of
find some place to like
find a really cool music related job like teaching

(01:15:22):
drumming school or like
Being a music critic or something cool like that. I would have liked to see her owning a record store
Yeah, working at a venue that would have loved one thing
So if they want she has like a catalog of music, do you remember that when she's hiding the CDs under her floorboard?
like I feel like like a some kind of
Something to do with music and cataloging and have her work at a radio station or something like that. DJ

(01:15:47):
Yeah, give her some sort of
Outlet for these so where you know what you can do the hat her having a kid's storyline and twins and all that and keeping her in town
But she needs another she needs another dimension to her
Like opening up a record shop inside of her mom's store
Right like having some like her and her mom kind of going in on this kind of joint venture. Oh my god. Stop stop

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It's making it's making you know, I mean, yeah, like building their relationship back up after all the stress that they've been through
giving her this new outlet she could still be a mom and have this
passion and like
Zach could still work at Luke's so then when he goes out on tour she still has an outlet for what she wants to do
Exactly. So I yeah, I think there's definitely better ways they could have done it

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But this is what we have
Okay, we need to move on. Yes. We spent too much time talking about lane, I guess
But I just I really care about her. I love lane. Honestly. I use them really
We've gotten in these in the episodes we've talked about so far. Yeah, so I mean if we were gonna have the conversation at any point
it was now
because her and Zach are such a big part of this episode and

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It's towards the end of the series
It's kind of the end so we could it gives us a better way to talk about her whole arc
Right, but yeah, I wish they had handled it better. I wish they have given her something else other than just like
being the mom
Yeah, I mean even her and worry seen in the bar is a little weird. Oh my god. I wrote that too
I literally wrote the weirdness of them being kind of dissent and not knowing every detail of each other's life

(01:17:23):
Like lane doesn't even know if Roy has finished school yet and Roy is like what happened to hep alien
Like that seems like such a weird thing to ask it feels so yeah, it feels odd that they're so out of touch
I would understand like
Some of it
Like a distance makes sense. I would understand her being like how our finals going. Yes
But like them not her being like are you even finished with school yet? What greater you in again?

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What's half alien like her knowing that half alien is on the back burner like how does she not know that?
Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird. There's that scene is very weird. It's meant to show us that Roy's life is going in a
drastically different different like direction her life is
totally just and like New York Times
friend now Paris Logan Yale, that's her life and Lane's life is

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Steven Kwan
Zach Zach her mom
The stars hollow. Yeah, but that's seen. I'm glad that you picked up on her too because it made me I was it made me a little sad
Yep
But um, I love the fact that Lauren Graham can actually sing and was literally in guys and dolls on Broadway
That's so crazy. I fucking love that about her. She's so talented. I love her

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Um, I also love that lane says I didn't know she was a Whitney fan
And then Rory makes the distinction that it's more dolly inspired. She's like, I think it's dolly inspired
Yes, yes as it should be. I mean, I love Whitney, but the dolly version is the original the dolly version is my favorite
Wait, am I wrong about the dolly version is the original? No, that's the original. She wrote it. I thought she was

(01:18:57):
working with Porta Robinson, I think
And she wanted to do her own thing and go solo because they had done a bunch of records together
And she was on the Porta Robinson show Robinson show and she wrote this lot. She wrote this record
She brought it into him and it was this was her way of saying goodbye to him and their partnership
Wow, and she sang it to him in his office and he like got brought to tears and was basically like fine

(01:19:21):
Like this is okay on one condition and she's like, what is it? He's like that you let me produce that record
Wow, and that was it became like that's
It became the song that it is and then obviously
30 something years later Whitney re-recorded it and it became this whole other beast
I love both versions. I love both. I refuse to pick. I refuse to pick the two. No, I will say I I love singing along to the dolly one

(01:19:46):
I love them both. That's the one I prefer to listen to
I oh, which one do I prefer to listen to yeah, which is your choice like if you're putting it on Whitney Whitney
That's fair Whitney
But I love dolly part and I love I love that story. I didn't know that so yeah, it's really beautiful
It's like I mean she was such a she's such a prolific songwriter. Yeah, but yeah, she wrote that song or performed it for him

(01:20:08):
And then you know that dolly dolly parton is a capricorn that that much. I do know I didn't know that yeah
Yeah, but this I mean let's get into this scene. This is the scene where this is the reason we're talking about this episode
She is so hot. She is so stunning
I would be in love with her for the rest of my life if I was Christopher max jason luk or that one guy
I should get it for a few episodes. Yes, I and I would be in love with her if I was suki

(01:20:30):
I'm just gonna say it
Is that that fanfic exists, right?
Definitely has to I haven't read any of it, but it definitely has to um
So like this scene
You texted me one of your notes
About how like of course my cancer ass would pick this episode
Because this is okay. It's so

(01:20:53):
So
Melodramatic and sentimental it's meant to make you cry. Yeah
She actually sounds good like even like she sounds good in a paddy and bad bad are gagged. They're like she's stealing our thunder
but it's also like
She sounds good in a way that someone who can't sing sounds good, you know what I mean? Yeah, like she's definitely acting like a person

(01:21:14):
Who can't sing like she she sounds realistic. Yeah, she sounds like just a person and which is why like every inflection
She makes and like her kind of losing her breath at certain points
I'm like having to look at the prompter. Yeah
Okay, I love when she's being silly at first and she's like really giving it. Oh, she's like, I hope
And then the minute she sees luke the minute she sees flips it turns serious

(01:21:38):
Lauren is such a good actress. It's just that just that tiny little switch
And she's but we feel it we feel it and she's so she starts to tear up
She stumbles over the words. She has to look at the prompter because she's getting emotional
She's not able to like hold the like her breathing is all off like she's she's feeling it tears in her eyes
Looking directly at him sees her looking at him and she's like oh shit and so does rory rory like looks over her shoulder

(01:22:04):
She's like what is she looking at everyone in the bar?
We feel it. We all feel it including lucas everyone knows and he starts to tear up
He starts to tear up he has to look down at his drink because she's like
Oh, she's smiling at him. He's like acting like he's kind of amused by it
but like then no he like
Slightly nods a little bit and has to look down at his drink because he understands what that meant

(01:22:26):
And it's just it's like something out of a dream. It's so perfect weird song for this scene. It isn't it's perfect
It's really a perfect scene because I think it's perfect, but it's so
So
Interesting that it's such a it's it's an ending song
To her because at this moment in time she believes that they're done. Yeah, she thinks it's over. Wait. No, no, no wait that can't be right

(01:22:53):
Exactly, that's why it's weird because she she thinks of
That she's like in the context of the hat
Okay, which by the way, we forgot to mention. He's only wearing it because he didn't know where his black one
Well, that we haven't made that discovery yet. Yes, we do. Oh, isn't that in the oh, no, that's in the next in the next scene in the next scene
either way
Okay, but wait wait wait wait no first we need to talk about what it meant that he wore the hat

(01:23:16):
So let me let me okay. I'm just gonna type this out. No, I'm not gonna type
I'm gonna write it on a post it. All right. So the hat
She thought I'm writing hat equals hat equals. He still loves her loves
her
What's wrong?
Equal hang on. We're gonna do a second equals song equals. She still

(01:23:37):
loves
him
hat really equals
He he lost his other one. No, he wants to be close to her again
I think he wants to he wants he wants things to be better between them. He's a reconciliation hat. It's a reconciliation juster
At the end
Moving on yes, but for the whole episode. No, he's only wearing this because his black hat is lost

(01:24:04):
Trevor that's not even true though. That is and this is why I have a paragraph of notes on this and you keep asking me to talk about it
Okay, fine. Let's move on. Fuck the rest of the scenes. No, no, no, no because the song is important
It's such a weird song to pick because she's in this mindset of like, okay
He wants to reconcile. He's thinking of me. He loves me whatever whatever like the whole conversation
We have with suki and the hat and all this like things going on surrounding the hat

(01:24:29):
so for her to pick a song like this where it's like
It's a song you sing when you're accepting that it's over and that you just want the other person to be happy and move on
and there's no hard feelings it's a weird song to pick if you're
Currently thinking that this person is still in love with you. Am I wrong for that?
Yeah, you are because guess what?

(01:24:50):
Guess what? What?
That's what she's thinking though. No, that's what she's thinking. Okay. This is what they want you to think
Oh, luke is only wearing that hat because his old one got lost. It got it was wedged behind that behind the
oven
but wait
How the fuck does a hat that he wears every fucking day on his fucking head get wedged between a fucking oven?

(01:25:13):
No, he hit it there. I'm pretty wedged it there on purpose because he wants to go back to wearing the blue hat
Yes, no stop stop. He's there on purpose. That is a reach
He he wears he wears his hat tight on his mother fucking head every day. He never fucking takes it off
How does a hat get wedged behind an oven? Have you ever tried to stick your hand behind an oven?
It's flat against the wall for somebody to wedge something behind there has to be purposeful

(01:25:38):
I genuinely
Do not agree with you there. I think that is such a reach. No
No, he did it on purpose because why would he but like but the that's crazy though because he would if he wanted to wear the hat
And choose to wear the hat if his other one is sitting right there. Why wouldn't he just wear it?
She doesn't know that the other hat is missing or not missing

(01:26:01):
It's like I would he hit it because he never wanted to see he never wanted to see it again. He wanted to just get at it
The other hat is not attached to any other person
I think it's not like we if we saw a scene where he's like, oh, yeah, I can't find my other one
Then I would be like, okay weird, but we don't see any of that. He's like genuinely just like do you remember what zack said

(01:26:23):
Though when he found it he was like, hey, I found your other hat. It was wedged behind the thing
Yeah, between the dishwasher and the oven or something and then he goes I told you it would turn up
Which means that he's been wearing it for he's been wearing it for a while
And zack was like don't worry. It'll turn up which means that they've had conversations where zack was like
Why aren't you wearing that?
Yeah, but that's different than war lie and him having a conversation not that different though because luke wasn't talking to

(01:26:47):
Lorelai at that point
They just now reconciled and I I don't think he I think if anything he would have just thrown the black one away
I don't think so if he wanted to get what is the point of wedging it between the appliances in the kitchen of your business
Luke kept a horoscope that lorelai gave him when they first met in his wallet. He is not a normal person

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He's not a normal person. I agree, but I just this is insane things to to conceptualize here
I think I need a confirmation
That's never gonna happen. I need a confirmation. I somebody I don't think he would go as far
To do that. I do think he would he is I don't think he would I think he would just throw it away

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If I should say I would only get rid of it
If I should say it would only be in your way, so I'll go but I know I'll think of you every step of the way
No, this song is about giving up on love and moving forward. Yes, which is why it's weird that she's picking it
No, because she wants to move forward into a reconciliation, but she's saying she's always gonna love him
Even if they just become friends, she's always gonna love him

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But it's not a song about reconciliation. It's a song about part of the context of their relationship
It kind of is because listen what she's saying
She says bitter sweet memories that's what I'm taking with me and what happens after this song they go back to being friends
And that's what they've been this entire season
It's like she's saying I wish you love see because she's saying that she knows she's not gonna be his love if they don't get back together

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He's gonna move on and find another love and she wants that for him
But she's saying she's always gonna love him
I get I agree with that
I think you're crazy about the hatchet
No, no, no, no
I think you're bugging
Did Luke wedge?
No, I like there's no fucking way behind the oven on purpose

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The way he sticks it into his back pocket with a smile instead of putting it back on
That's because that's because he's like he's now he's choosing to wear the hat for a reason at the end
I don't agree
You don't have to I think you're crazy
It's just like doesn't make sense. It's so pathological
Okay, here's somebody posted about it on reddit. Thank fucking god somebody on fucking reddit had the foresight

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This is six years ago
At the end of the episode where Luke wears a blue cap again
Zach gives him a black one telling him he found it
So was the cap was the cap really missing?
Luke has hidden it in order to have a reason to go back to the blue one
I told you I fucking knew it
Okay, the Gilmore guys podcast had a big conversation about it
It actually surprised me because I personally never found it confusing
He lost the hat by accident but used as an opportunity to go back to the old one

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Demi said that wearing the blue hat again is insignificant but I don't agree
If Luke was still upset with Lorelei he would have bought a new one so it was a notable gesture
I agree with that. I think he lost the hat. He wasn't still mad at her
So he's like I'll wear the blue one that she got me years ago and we'll move on
Somebody said I always assumed he hid the black one on purpose so he would have a good excuse to go back to the blue one

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You bitches are crazy
No we're not. We're right
I don't agree because the Gilmore guys podcast even said that this person is mentioning in this reddit post
That I'm looking at right now too because I've also found it
I think
How could something get wedged behind a stove?
Wedged. Wedged. That means it's literally stuck behind there
It's like a piece of our worries. No it isn't. It's everything because a hat doesn't just fall off your head

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Trevor
I get it. No
As someone who wears a hat every day
I get it
I'm saying there's no way this man went and hid it on purpose
I think he saw it as an opportunity like this person is saying BFM211
He took it as an opportunity to wear the old one because he was like

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You know what we're friends again. We're cool. I'll wear this. It's not going to be weird whatever
The black one I don't know where it is but I'll wear this and that
And then at the end when he's given the black one again and he can make the conscious choice to go back to it
Or continue to wear the one that Lorelai gave him
He's like no we're cool. She sang that song. We're good now
Like all all water under the bridge. I can wear this hat and like it'd be a nice gesture

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I need a more recent post. 2021
Insane
Shit to do that to hide a hat like that
He went find a wedge behind the dishwasher
I always took it to be that Luke lost the hat on purpose
So he wouldn't be questioned why he was wearing the blue hat so he stuffed it there on purpose
Now I'm wondering did he genuinely lose it and just figure might as well wear the blue one again because he missed it

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Now he had a reason to wear it rather than he wanted to wear the blue hat so he felt he had to lose the black one
Somebody said my impression
I think he genuinely lost the hat but then wore the blue one without a real meaning
I'm this one is saying the joke was that it wouldn't have occurred to Luke to wear the blue cap as a gesture of reconciliation
But Lorelai took it that way because that's how she would have meant it

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She is detail oriented and finally attuned to emotional significance while Luke was more of a fragment as Luke held onto the fucking horoscope
She gave him when they first met you guys are totally misreading Luke. He's a Scorpio
He's a very intense. I agree but that's why I'm saying at the end of this episode when he realizes what it actually
What the hat blue wearing the blue hat means he's making the conscious decision to wear it as an act of reconciliation

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But but but no no but Luke the first time Luke stops wearing the hat
He recognizes the emotional significance of not wearing it and what that signals to Lorelai meaning putting it on again had to mean something
I agree. I think he did it because he they were cool because he's like we're in a good spot. We can move on
I can wear the hat the blue hat is a hat that's from someone who means something to me

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That's why he wears it. My issue is that I do not think that he purposely hid it so that he has a reason because I think he could just choose to wear it without
Causing a possible
You're a little abrogated right now
Because it's just crazy
You're a little abrogated right now
And what fucking world would do that on purpose this man is not gonna possibly burn his business down

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Oh my god
Because that is such a crazy fire hazard to have fabricated behind there
Okay, we have to move on. We'll post a poll about it or some shit
No, no, fuck the poll. You people are crazy and like Kirk. I know I'm right
We can't keep talking about this at this point. We have to move on. It's been 15 minutes on the hat
We should get tattoos of the blue hat
I'm getting one of the blue hat and I'm gonna put um

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Truth or I'm gonna put it on purpose truth or you're crazy. You should get the black hat then
You're crazy. You're truly this is one of the craziest fucking things you've ever that crazy snills you've ever died on and you know it's crazy because you fucking laughing
I'm laughing I asked about you like you're sputtering like an engine back
I'm like piled up right now. You have me so I'm like sweat. I'm hot right now in my fucking house

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Oh my god, you are so crazy
Oh my god, it's really not that much. It's really not that big of a deal
Oh my god, I'm like I'm sweating my feet are sweating
Fuck
Okay
Anyway, Lorelai should have just told him straight to his face that she loved him
This this was pretty pretty damn close to that. I mean she literally repeats the lyrics like a hundred times while staring him in the eyes

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She doesn't know but like bitch just be like cut the bullshit
They're not she's I mean I think she's a tourist
Yeah, anyway, Rory's in the next scene
Rory actually cut the eggs I was shocked
Shit this is one of the most fucked up outfits she's been in
I hate this shit. I don't like this outfit. I hate this

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What is she wearing? I don't know it's awful though
But then we get then we get the fucking reveal of where the hat was we're not talking about that anymore
I need we need to move on
Lorelai and Paul Anka watching TV
I love Paul Anka the dog such a cute dog adorable
Lorelai was trying very hard to be nice to Logan when he shows up at her house

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She is better than me because I would have literally burned him at the stake
I would have been like what are you doing here right as soon as I opened the door I would have been like what do you do
What happened what caused this
Him being like a Silicon Valley like Dude Bro is so fitting
Agreed
I hate him so much
They have never once messed up Logan's character
He has shown his truth since day one I would not argue with any of the things he's done

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I'm like yep that's Logan
They write him to the to a T every time
Every single time everything that he does I'm like asshole
Completely
But he is there because he's got he's asking for Lorelai's permission to ask Roy to marry him
Lorelai is about to die
And it's a cliffhanger
It's a cliffhanger too it's so weird I forgot that that was a cliffhanger I'm like that's how it ends

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I did too and I was like what the fuck I was like I want to keep watching
Yeah, I was like what is happening here? Yeah, it made me feel like a little crazy me too
But yeah, just a weird way to end the episode
Very weird
I will say Lorelai is like really nice in that scene
Yeah
And she's like look we've had our I had my doubts I voiced my concerns we ate pie we're all set like I trust you like

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She really does like give it to him straight like
We're cool now
So what are you doing here?
What's up? Yeah, she's very she's confused
Honestly, she's very cunning though when she asks questions, but she knows the answers like for example when he when he pointedly asked
Yeah, there's a purpose she knows the purpose why she's asking these questions

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Yeah, exactly and that's what makes me feel like you know he can kind of he's he's doing too much honestly
He should have just came out with it from the get go
He's he's beading around the bush and he's explaining in a way that is suspicious which is why she perks up
Yeah, yeah
Damn that was a great episode
It's a good episode
I'm impressed that they ended on a cliffhanger this close to a season finale

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So close to the series finale
What the fuck is that it's so especially because it's just like they could have had the Luke putting his hat in his back pocket be the end of the episode
And open the next one up with Logan showing up
I think they could have but I think they were so desperate to make sure that people were super tuned for the for the finale

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Yeah, true because if you're gonna watch the second to last episode you're gonna watch the last episode so you have to make sure people come back for next week
Yeah, that makes sense but yeah, it's just a weird ending
Gilmore Girls series finale viewers
What a fucking weird show
I love comparing the number of viewers to each other for finales like it's one of my favorite things to Google

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I never remember the numbers I look it up every time
This episode was viewed by 4.9 million viewers the finale the series finale
That's crazy
Whoa what I don't know what the score means though it got a 2.9 out of 9 Nelson rating is that low

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2.9 out of 9?
I guess
Nielsen ratings
Damn that seems really
Audience measurement system operated by Nielsen media research that seek to determine the audience size and composition of television programming in the United States
So maybe out of like the amount of people watching TV that night

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That was the rating they got I don't know I've never really looked into ratings and like
All that kind of stuff
I would like to kind of learn more about it
I might do some research about it tonight
I'm also interested in it and like in a modern context like how streaming and all of those things interact and like kind of fuck with

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Yeah
Wow the wiki page for the series finale which again completely unrelated we're not really talking about that right now but
It says here that cast members including Kelly Bishop, Liza Weald and Edward Herman expressed their dissatisfaction with the conclusion they were not happy with how it ended
Which makes sense as to why eventually we got an extra season

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Yeah even though the critical acclaim for that series was sort of a mixed bag I don't really think it came across
Yeah people don't love the ending people don't I mean even in that reddit thread we were just reading through people did not like season 7
And I mean I don't generally love season 7

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I think there are moments that I like
I mean again I kind of like later Gilmore Girls I enjoy it but as far as the reboot goes it was kind of mixed
Like I like parts of it and I didn't like first
We will be doing an episode on the reboot
Yeah we're doing a bonus episode on the reboot so stay tuned for that
But thank y'all for listening that was Lorelai Lorelai

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And thank you again
Long episode
We talked for half hour about nonsense but that's why you listen
That's why you listen
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And what are we gonna be talking about next week?
Ooh I don't have it pulled up so you might have to edit this a little bit
Let me pull it up now though
Hang on
Oh I just looked
Oh you do? What is it?
Season 7 episode 1

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Mmm season 7
You're fucking blurb about it
What did I write?
Luke I slept with Christopher
Oh shit
A fun episode for next week
I'm sure we won't get heated about this one
Oh my god I'm going to jump off the roof of my house after watching that

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So feel free to listen to that episode season 7 episode 1 before next week
If you want to listen along or watch along and all that stuff
But yeah thank you so much for listening and hanging out
And let us know if you're a fellow hat truther please
I want to know who my people are
This is like fucking your Alex Jones era

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What?
This is your Info Wars era of fucking conspiracy theory
Oh my god it's not a conspiracy theory it's the truth
I'm not getting into this we have to go
Okay bye everyone love ya
Bye
You're crazy
Oh my god he's online can you see me?
What the hell is she talking about?

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Who's this?
Starts to do Angelina please
No she died