Pick Your Fighter: Gilmore Edition - Gilmore Girls S6 E13 - You Know That Episode

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(00:00):
Hello. Hello.

(00:02):
So what, no fucking ziti now?
Don't make me laugh.
Hi, welcome to You Know That episode. I'm Victoria.
And I'm Trev. We're two friends who watch too much TV.
We break down iconic episodes of good shows.
And bad.
And explain why we feel the way we do.
Today we're talking about season 6, episode 13 of Gilmore Girls titled Friday Night's All Right for Fighting, which aired on January 31st, 2006.

(00:26):
So this was one of my picks and is drastically underrated as an episode.
Like, nobody talks about it.
I will agree with you this time.
You're never going to see it on a best of episode list.
Like, it just is one of those episodes that you would only remember if you've watched it a billion trillion times.

(00:47):
Yeah. I agree with you. I do think this is an underrated episode.
I will also say, like, as I was watching it,
I definitely, the first half, I was like, oh god.
It didn't have me.
You were like, why did she choose this?
I was kind of, because I didn't remember the back half of the episode that well.
Yeah.

(01:08):
But I was like, why this episode?
Like, I'm so, there wasn't anything standing out.
And then as soon as, and we'll get there obviously, like Rory took over the paper.
Yep.
And I was like, okay, this episode is, it's on one for me right now.
This is one of those episodes that like, it takes a while to pick up.
Yeah.

(01:29):
That's like a really slow start.
And then it's like, yeah.
But then it comes, everything, all the stories in this episode come to a boiling point.
Like.
And like the last 20 minutes are just so much fun to watch.
Yes.
Yeah. I, like, I, we got to that point.
I was like, oh, okay, this makes total sense.
Yeah.

(01:50):
All right. So we'll get there, but let's first start with some hot topics this week.
So lots to catch up on starting with the fact that we both went and saw Scream, the new Scream
movies.
Yes.
And we haven't talked about it.
We haven't talked about it yet.
So not on purpose either.
Not on purpose.
We just haven't really gotten a chance to like sit down and chat.
So like, why don't you start?

(02:11):
Cause I feel like you probably have way more strong opinions about it than I do.
Yeah.
So to preface, if the listeners don't know Scream is literally my favorite movie ever
made.
Like no question.
The first one.
Like entire personality.
Yes.
I've seen it hundreds of times.
That's not an exaggeration.
Like watching it once a week, pretty much.

(02:33):
No.
In high school, I would watch it literally three times a day.
Yeah.
Like that's not a, that's not even an exaggeration.
My dog is named Sydney.
Like.
You have literally embodied this movie.
Yeah.
Like I love this, I love this movie.
I love this franchise.
It means a lot to me.
I, I like, I will, and I'll say this, I like all of them.

(02:58):
Even the ones that I don't think are good.
I like you.
Yeah.
So I was going into this cautiously optimistic because I liked the fifth one more than most
people.
Even though I don't think it's necessarily good, but I still had fun.
And that's what I look for in these movies.
I'm like, is the, are the kills fun?

(03:19):
Are the, is the killer predictable?
If not, that's great.
And like, am I having a good time in the theater or watching it at home?
So before I saw Scream six, I watched all five in one day.
Oh my God.
To prepare.
And really like, cause I had, I'd only seen five like twice.
So I was like, I don't really remember these characters that well.

(03:40):
I want to like really have a good grounding for them.
Right.
And then so the debacle of seeing this movie, we get our tickets for a three 50, a three
30 showing at this theater in another town.
And we get there, we print the tickets off.
We're meeting a friend, me and my friend Banto were meeting our friend Mackenzie who bought
the tickets.

(04:01):
So we print them off and it's a 3d screening.
Okay.
I'm anti 3d.
Oh right.
I remember you telling me this.
I'm pro 3d.
We saw it in 3d.
I don't fuck with.
Yeah.
I don't fuck with 3d at all.
I get really nauseous.
I get really motion sick, really bad headaches from it.
So I just can't, I can't do it.
So we text her like, you bought 3d tickets.
She was like, no, I didn't.
I'm like, this is this picture of the ticket, whatever.

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So she gets there.
She looks on the website.
It wasn't listed as a 3d screening, but this is the only version they're showing at this
theater, which is crazy.
So we're like, you know what, whatever, I plan on seeing this movie again in theaters.
I'll suffer through it this time.
I'll just, whatever, I'll enjoy it.
Oh, the 3d doesn't work.
The 3d does not work in the theater.
Everyone in the theater is like, is this working for you?

(04:45):
It's none of its working.
I'm like, I immediately have a headache having these glasses on.
The opening kill is happening and the 3d isn't working.
So Mackenzie's on her phone and she buys us another ticket set of tickets to another
showing in another town that's 2d in 20 minutes.
How far away was it?

(05:06):
So we, it was like a 15, 10 minute drive.
So like we got there with time.
So we high tail it out of there, drive over, see the movie.
I have a great time.
I really enjoyed this movie.
This is in like, like I gave my ranking afterwards.
Yeah, pull it up.
Wait, let me, I texted it to someone.
Let me pull it up on my letterbox.

(05:27):
You know, I'm annoying.
I enjoyed this movie more than I was expecting to.
I will say currently my ranking is scream one, duh, number one.
Scream two, number two.
Scream six is number three.
Scream four, which is all I also love.
Then scream three and then five is my least favorite.

(05:49):
I just like, I had so much fun.
It felt silly, but scary still.
Like the kills felt so intense and so personal.
And like we're going to get into spoilers, so like don't listen if you haven't seen it and care about spoilers.
Spoilers ahead.
We'll let you know when we're done talking about Scream.
Like we'll put it in the description, whatever.

(06:11):
I liked the killer motivations.
I think it's so insane.
I think it's just as crazy as any of them.
I just like, yeah, I enjoyed it.
I think New York is a good setting for a movie like this,
although they did not film this in New York.
I think the only scenes they filmed in New York were the subway.
My biggest critique is that I think Gale should have died,

(06:32):
and I think they should have killed more of the main characters.
Okay.
Because none of the main characters died, and that's bad.
We're going into the next movie because they announced Scream 7 filming this year.
What? They did?
Yes, they announced it the three days before the movie premiered.
Oh for fuck's sake, I didn't see that.
So they announced it.
So right now we have Jenna, Tara, Sam, Kirby, Gale, Mindy, and Chad alive.

(07:01):
We're going into the next movie with seven people alive, I think.
Okay.
We need some of them to go.
We need to cut that down at least by half in the next movie.
It needs to matter.
But I liked Sidney's reasoning for not being in it.
I think it made sense.
She was like, I'm too old for this, my kids are too old, I'm in hiding.

(07:22):
I think that totally makes sense.
She's not dealing with another thing.
She's not doing this again.
Gale's chase scene was great.
I loved the phone call.
Okay, wait.
Okay, now.
The phone call was good.
So what do you think?
What do you think?
Because I liked it.
I really liked it.
Honestly, going into it, I did not have high expectations,
and I already told you this a little bit,
but I was originally planning to literally boycott it and not watch it.

(07:45):
I was literally like, I'm not watching it.
I'm not watching it. Neve Campbell isn't in it.
What is a horror franchise without the final girl?
I'm not watching Halloween without Jamie Lee Curtis.
I'm not watching Scream without Neve Campbell.
There's so many Halloween movies without Jamie Lee Curtis.
But I don't plan on watching them.
But they're good.
Some of them are good.
I think you should.

(08:06):
I don't plan on it.
But of course, I got peer pressured by my best friend and my girlfriend,
you and Bernie, to fucking go see it and stop being such a whiny baby.
So, okay, fine.
I went and saw it, and I was totally right and justified for wanting to boycott it.
I did not think it was good.
I agree.
I mean.

(08:27):
I think Gail should have died,
but I think the movie was less interesting without Sydney.
I didn't think there was a good reason for her to not join.
I thought that when they had that whole explanation why Sydney wasn't in it,
it was just pandering to the fans who are watching it,
but still wanted Sydney to be in it.
I don't even think they should have explained it.
Oh, I think they needed to.
I think people would have been more mad if they just ignored her.

(08:48):
I just think it was stupid.
And they should have just paid her.
I'm sorry.
They made record profits.
This is the most profitable movie they've had in the franchise,
and they can afford to pay.
The woman who made it fucking famous.
I think the next one, if she wants to, they'll pay her.
I think now that they've made, because the five didn't make a lot of money,

(09:13):
not nearly compared to this one or four,
because it was still during the early pandemic.
So, or like, not early pandemic, but like, it was still tough to go to the movie,
so it didn't make a lot of money.
So I think they were kind of nervous to like do big payouts.
And this is, I'm saying all this as someone who's like,

(09:34):
give that fucking woman all the money she's asking for.
Give her whatever the fuck she wants.
She made this franchise whatever she asks for, give her.
But I do appreciate the fact that they acknowledged,
okay, she's not here.
Here's why.
I didn't think that reasoning was good.
And wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Why don't you think the reasoning is good?

(09:55):
If you might be asking.
It felt like a cop out what they said.
I think it should have been a bigger explanation,
and I think it should have been more powerful or like more poignant.
I didn't think it was very meaningful.
Oh, she's in hiding.
She doesn't want to come.
Since when is that Sydney?
That is not...
Scream 3, she goes into hiding.
Scream 3, but then she comes out of hiding.
She proves, no, it's not Sydney.
Yeah, but that's when Ghostface, this Ghostface, it's not about Sydney.

(10:18):
And that's another thing too.
Ghostface with a gun?
Girl.
Ghostface has used guns the whole time.
Girl.
Billy and Stu use a gun in the first movie.
Gail gets shot.
She gets shot?
It's like literally a pistol, not a fucking like whatever the fuck he's using,
like a fucking machine gun.
Ghostface has used guns in every...

(10:39):
He uses a shotgun first off.
He's used a gun in every single movie.
Ghostface has used a gun in every movie.
Yes, a pistol, but that doesn't change the fact that like...
It just felt a little overboard.
Yeah, the point was that this Ghostface was overboard.
All of the kills were overboard.
It was upping the...
Upping the ante.
The gore factor you need to, if you're gonna justify making this movie,

(11:00):
you need to have high, high-end crazy gore kills.
And I think they delivered on that.
I think the opening kill was so scary to me.
The opening kill was a lot.
I was like, holy shit.
It was so like, it felt so real.
And like even, I mean, I think the goriest thing in the Scream series
is seeing that kid in the fridge.

(11:22):
Even though we don't see him killed on screen, seeing his body dismembered like that
is fucking gnarly.
And like, we don't...
Like Ghostface, yeah, he stabs, I think Dewey's death is probably the gnarliest thing we see on screen
in any of them.
Wait, no, what's the one with the...
Is it Tatum?
Tatum with the garage door?

(11:43):
No, I would...
That one's brutal, I think.
I was thinking of when the TV crashes on that kid's head at the party.
Oh, Stu.
But you don't see a lot of blood or anything like that.
I know, but like his brain gets...
You see it's...
Fri-allated.
I think, I think for me, the goriest kill is Dewey on screen,
off screen, that's that kid we see in the fridge.
But like, I think it's...

(12:05):
And oh, Olivia's kill in Scream 4.
Wait, what about the girl who gets impaled?
Who gets impaled?
Wait, remember what, there's a scene, I think it's the one where they're driving
and the car crashes.
Oh, Scream 2, the detective gets impaled.
Yeah, the detective gets impaled.
That was pretty gory.
That one's pretty gnarly too, but we don't see a lot of it.
Yeah.

(12:26):
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm saying, like, active.
Like, I think Dewey getting gutted like a deer, crazy to see on screen.
I was expecting Gale to die in this one, but then I thought about it.
I was hoping...
I wanted her to.
But then you know what I thought about?
I was like, if they can't get Nev Campbell to come back for the next movie,
they need to have at least one original cast member for the draw factor.
I think...

(12:47):
I don't think they do anymore.
I think that if Nev Campbell would have been in this one, Gale would have died in this one,
and Sydney would have been the final girl for Scream 7.
But because of the fact that Sydney wasn't in this one, they had to keep Gale alive,
because they know that hardcore die hard fans.
Like, there are some fans like me who didn't even want to see this one without Nev,
but I think there are some fans who would be like,
if there's not even a single original cast member from the original series in the entire movie,

(13:11):
not Gale, not Dewey, not even Sydney, I won't see it.
See, I don't agree.
I think there are some people who are like that.
I think...
There really is.
I think there are, but I think it's kind of...
I don't know, I think it's a little short-sighted to look at a franchise that's going on what?
25 years, 26 years of being around and expecting it to still follow.

(13:33):
It needs to evolve in a way to keep up, and it needs to introduce new people who can carry it.
Because I don't want to see Nev Campbell as a 60-year-old woman fighting Ghostface.
Me either.
I want the franchise to end, but I want it to...
It's not... that's not the world we live in, unfortunately.
Anyway.
But I liked it.
I really liked the opening kill, and I liked...

(13:57):
I was really surprised when he took his mask off,
because I wasn't expecting that.
I was like, are we going to learn the killer of the opening kill?
I thought so too.
We were shocked.
That gagged us.
I was genuinely shocked.
What the fuck is this?
But then, then seeing him get killed, I was like, holy shit, this is like...
That threw us off too.
That threw us off too.
Yeah, that was definitely our favorite part, was the opening kill.

(14:19):
Yeah.
I also really... you know what part I really enjoyed?
I liked the apartment chase.
No.
The door to their apartment.
That was good when they had to climb outside the window on the ladder.
Yeah, that scared the fuck out of me.
The part that I really loved is the woman waiting at the bar when she's like...
Oh, the opening.
Like the very opening.
Oh, can you come into the alley?
Yeah.
Not the very opening, because remember, he goes...

(14:41):
Oh wait, yeah, yeah, that is very opening.
Yeah, yeah, cause it's also Samara weaving who like crushes it.
She did great.
She's like, oh, okay, yeah, I'll come in the alley.
She's so good.
But yeah, that's like scary.
That's real life.
That's literally real life.
Oh, yeah, I'll meet you outside the bar.
Oh, you can't see me?
Oh, you're in the alley.
Okay, hang on, let me wave at you.
Do you see me?
It's crazy.
And they even make a joke about it where he's like, you teach 20th century slashers and

(15:03):
you just walked into a dark alley alone.
Yeah, dumb bitch.
We were screaming.
I was like... it was like a crazy mic drop.
But yeah, I think my favorite set pieces were the apartment scene.
Ghostface trying to break down that door was so scary to me.
That was very scary.
I was really hoping Mindy wouldn't die.
I'm so glad Heta Penetrieri's back as Kirby.

(15:25):
I love her.
She's probably my favorite.
She's one of my favorite characters in the whole franchise.
But yeah, I really enjoyed it.
I thought the killer reveal was crazy.
I thought so too.
I was...
But like, I liked it.
I was like, it's always comes to family.
So I didn't think it was that out of pocket for it to be Richie's family.
And I liked that they were like full tilt insane.

(15:49):
They were insane.
Like, it was fun to watch them be like that because it looked like they were having fun
in a really scary way.
But yeah, I really enjoyed it.
I'm gonna probably see it again, I think this weekend in theaters.
Okay, I think my order is...
This is gonna ruffle feathers.
You're gonna have three and like two and that's gonna piss me off.

(16:10):
That's gonna have...
This is gonna have hate mail.
People are gonna send me hate mail for this.
Well no, listen.
I'm gonna get death threats.
No hate mail for our rankings because I genuinely like these movies, all of them are enjoyable.
They all deliver on what you expect from them.
Okay, number one is three.
That's crazy, bitch.
Number two is...
I'm sending hate mail.
Stop!
Shut up!

(16:31):
Shut up!
I did not interrupt you when you took...
Okay, okay, I'm sorry.
Number six is a three, Psycho.
Yeah!
You're insane for that.
Spin it, I'm sorry.
I apologize, please finish.
Okay, three is number one.
Two is number two.
One is number three.
Four is number four.
Five is number five and six is number six.
Oh, that is an insane ranking.
You understand that, correct?

(16:52):
Period, I'm right, I'm right.
You're not right.
You're not right.
You're not.
Except the only bad thing about three is Gale's bangs.
Other than that, that movie is perfect.
The part about three is that it's not scary.
It's perfect.
It's literally a perfect movie.
It's not a scary movie.
It's not a horror movie.
Bitch, none of these movies are scary.
Yes, they are.
No, we've watched them to the point that they are no longer scary.

(17:13):
Yes, but when a new one comes out, it is scary.
The Samara weaving scene is scary.
The apartment scene is scary.
Yeah, I watch it 10 times.
I'm gonna know what's happening.
Three is not scary.
None of them are.
Three is a comedy.
There's like one scary scene in three.
And I...
And even then, it's not like...
I think that is a nutso ranking.
Okay, that's fine.
I respect you as a person.

(17:36):
Okay, I appreciate that.
But I really enjoyed six.
I'm excited for seven.
I hope they make these movies until the end of time.
I'll go every time.
I think it's silly.
It's a guy with a scary mask killing people.
Okay, so you're allowed to think that Scream 6 is good because it's silly,
but I can't think Scream 3 is the best because it's not scary.
I don't...
Best bullshit.
No, I think the franchise is silly.

(17:58):
I don't think Scream 6 is silly.
I think Scream 6 is a very serious movie.
I think Scream 3 is very silly.
Scream 3 is hilarious.
I love it.
I love it.
If I'm...
I want at least a little tension.
And I don't have that.
I do f...
Don't stop.
Stop.
There is tension.
The whole Dewey...
I don't think so.
Dewey is dating the actress who's hired to play Gale.

(18:19):
That's not the tension I want.
That's the tension I want.
I want the tension of,
oh, are you going to live or die?
Not like Gale and Dewey being stupid.
I love them.
I love them too.
I do.
I love them so much.
No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
There is also the really scary movement where she goes into the reenactment of her house.
That's the only scary part in my opinion.

(18:40):
No.
That is the scariest part of that movie in my opinion.
No, the scariest part is when they're hiding in the house and he's trying to find them
and they all keep finding these secret passages.
I don't find that scary at all.
Oh my God, I found that scary.
I think I don't have problems with the main cast from the original not coming back.
I do.

(19:00):
I think many franchises have found success without the main person, without the final
girl, without the main cast from the original.
I think they're a little bit less petty than me because you really love this franchise
enough to overlook that.
Yeah, I just want it.
For me, it's about the original people that made me love the series to begin with that

(19:21):
I find it less interesting without them.
But I get why they keep dying.
Like I get it.
It makes sense.
Yeah, I also think like if you're going to keep making these, you need to make it worth
it and you need to make me believe that you are throwing the rulebook out each time.
And that is my biggest critique of these last two is that it doesn't feel like the rulebook
is updating or changing, especially when that's such an integral part of the movie

(19:43):
and the like plot.
So it's like, you keep telling me that main cast legacy characters can die and so far
you've only killed one of them.
And it's maybe the one that shouldn't have died because I think it would have been more,
I mean, it's, I think it's sadder if Dewey dies.
And then Gale should have died in this movie and I genuinely think the body count for this

(20:04):
movie needed to be so much higher.
I think one of the twins needed to die.
I think one of the girls, one of the sisters needed to die.
I think Sam should have died.
I think Chad should have died.
I think I'm not getting that.
I don't understand.
It doesn't.
That's my biggest problem with this movie.
I walked out and I was like, I really enjoyed that.
It was really fun to watch.

(20:24):
Like the whole time I was like, everybody who died was random.
It was such a cop out.
Like they should have made the main cast die.
It was people who don't matter.
Yeah.
Because that would have made the states feel higher.
But I do love that in this lore, in this, in this scream franchise lore, uh, Neve Campbell
is married to Patrick Dempsey's character.
Really?
That's her husband.

(20:45):
She married Mark from, yeah, from screen three.
And they have kids together because they say like, she said, Mark gets called out specifically.
They've been together since screen three, which is like 20 something years now.
And they have kids.
And so not only do they play a married couple in this, they are brother and sister in Grey's
Anatomy.
Imagine if, um, which is crazy.

(21:08):
Imagine if Patrick Dempsey came in scream seven with Neve Campbell and they played like a
movie.
I would like that.
You know what I think?
Okay.
Here's my pitch for scream seven.
Okay, let's assume that Sydney's, so like scream seven is going to film this year.
It'll probably come out like late 20, 25 or 2024.
So let's assume Sydney's kids are like teenagers.

(21:33):
Ghostface goes for the kids.
Oh my God.
And it's got, it's got all the core.
It's going to be the kids are at college or something like that.
Or their young or their older high school kids, Sydney gets hurt in the beginning, protecting
the kids.
The kids are fine, but Sydney's a little fucked up.
Her and Mark have to protect the kids.

(21:55):
Gail comes, obviously.
That dumb bitch, she always comes.
That dumb bitch always shows up.
We get the other characters and then it's a fucking bloodbath.
We kill one of Sydney's kids.
We kill Gail.
We kill one of the twins.
We kill Sam.
We got to get through the new, these fucking new kids.
A bunch of the new kids need to die and almost all of the older cast members need to die.

(22:17):
We got it.
The only person who should be living is Sydney at the end of it all.
This movie should not end with more than three people alive.
I think so too.
You know what?
Your pitch for scream seven sounds a lot like my pitch for scream six, although I was thinking
it was going to be like, they're going to do like a switcheroo at the end.
I thought that it was going to be like, oh yeah, like Neve Campbell doesn't want to do

(22:38):
it.
She's not getting paid.
And then she's the killer or something.
And then they trick us and she ends up being the killer or some shit, although she would
never do that.
I don't think she would ever do that.
I think they could do something similar though.
I thought that they were going to do a switcheroo and she was going to be in it, like in the
movie.
Yeah.
Even after doing all the other things.
That would have been cool.
But because like, I think, I think we'll get us, I think in the seventh, I think they're

(23:01):
setting, they set up Sam as still being a little kooky.
In this movie, I think she's going to turn and she's going to go after Sydney.
Yeah.
In some way in the next one.
Something like that.
She's going to go full tilt psychopath.
And then it's going to be.
Because she has like a broken brain.
Like she's not okay.
Yeah.

(23:21):
She's hallucinating her dead father who she never knew.
Who was a serial killer.
So I think it'll be Sam as the killer, solo.
I think she's going to be the second solo killer.
Because Roman was a solo killer in screen three.
I think she's going to go after Sydney and her family and she's going to hurt Sydney,
because she's not going to get any of them at first.
And then it's going to come down to her sister and Sydney versus her.

(23:45):
And her sister is going to like try and rescue Sydney or some shit.
Imagine she kills her own sister.
Yeah.
I think her, I think, well, I think at this point, Jenna or Tega is going to become the
new Sydney in this series.
It's heading in that direction.
Because she's, she's the most, she's the best one on screen.
It would make sense if Sydney died in the next one, but it's probably going to be Gail
on the next one.
I was shocked.
I think Gail will die in the next one.

(24:05):
I was shocked.
I know.
I was shocked.
But that whole chase scene was so exciting to watch.
It was really fun.
You know what?
You know what?
I think the actual scariest part of this whole movie was the subway scene.
When Mindy got stabbed, it made me, it scared me to my core because it's based on a real
thing.

(24:25):
In the way all New Yorkers watching that movie were probably like, no, because this is a
little too close to home and it's a little bit too...
Well, no, there was a woman who got murdered in public and people heard it and didn't say
anything.
Yeah.
No, you dummy.
There was an actual woman in New York on the subway or something like that who got murdered
and people just didn't help her.
Oh my God.

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Yeah.
So they were taking directly from that.
It was so scary.
I was so...
Mindy is my favorite of all the new characters.
Like gay, movie obsessed slasher person.
That's me.
I love her.
I think she's so funny.
Also she's in...
Jasmine Savoy Brown is in Yellow Jackets.
I know.

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Oh my God.
We need to start that.
I need to as well.
So yeah, I really enjoyed it.
I'm excited for the next one.
I can understand where you're coming from on not loving it.
I am excited to see what they do.
I'm like, yeah, make more of them.
I don't care.
I just...
It's fun.
It's just...
I like seeing them, you know?
Especially when there's so many horror movies that come out that don't deliver and they make

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such big promises and they don't deliver and they're not scary and they're not tense.
I like the safety of the screen movies because I know I'm gonna get what I want.
Even if it's not my favorite of the franchise, I'm gonna have a good time.
And that's really what I want to go to the movies to have.

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I want to sit there.
I want to have my popcorn and my slushie and I want to be like, oh my God, I can't believe
they did that, you know, afterwards.
So I give them a lot more grace because I'm always gonna go to these movies.
And that's not to say I'm harsh on other franchises.
Like Halloween, I'm very harsh on.

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Candyman, I'm pretty harsh on because I think there's one good Candyman movie out of like
five.
It's the first one.
Yeah, it's the only good one.
Although I do appreciate the remake.
I haven't watched it because I just know the other one suck.
Well the other one suck.
This one is good though.
Okay.
I highly recommend it.
It's really original actor in the newest one.
Yeah, I think Tony Todd shows up at like one point, but he's not like Candyman.

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I know, right?
But we haven't.
But he shows up.
But I recommend that.
I am like, I used to be very anti remake and like update and all that because I was like,
you're shitting on the original.
Now I'm like, you know what, make it.
And if I don't like it, I just won't watch it again.
That's what I've come to in my in my old days.
He's really simmered in old age.

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I have cause I'm like, you know what?
I didn't, I paid 15 bucks to see this movie and I never have to watch it again if I don't
want to.
Right.
I could just watch the one I like.
And I think that's for me, as a like lifelong horror fan, that's what I have to do to like
be at peace.
Like to protect my peace, I have to just accept that I'm not going to like everything that
comes out.

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And if I don't, it's fine.
I'll talk shit and I'll move on.
Period.
That's why we have a podcast.
I'll leave a shady letterbox review and I'll move on.
We'll talk about it for 30 minutes on our podcast and then we'll move on.
Yeah.
But please go see Scream.
I think, I think it'd be fun to see in a theater.
Period.
See it in TV or in 2D.
You have reviews from both sides of the story.

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We both enjoyed it.
So I think Scream 5 is worse at home.
Seeing it in a theater, it was fun at least.
Watching it at home, I was like, oh, this is not right.
I've only seen that movie one time.
I've seen it three times now.
And it's like fine.
It's, it's fine, whatever.
Okay.
But yes, move on.
Let's move on.

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Let's move on.
Yeah.
So officially 30 minutes on Scream.
I'm sorry.
I like, look, I can't help it.
No, we can't help it.
It could have been longer.
No, and the way, the way that is just par for the course for our podcast.
You're lucky this is in a whole podcast series about Scream.
We talk about what we want and I'm going to put chapters on this.
So if you want to skip through all the Scream shit, feel free.
Now moving on, we need to talk about the Oscars.

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Yes.
So the biggest uproar came when Jamie Lee Curtis won for best supporting actress.
Yes.
Personally, I'm not mad.
Yeah.
I mean, you all already know this.
Like we already said in a previous episode that, I mean, and obviously we would have

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loved for any of those women to win because they were all amazing.
Genuinely, any of them could have won and I would have been happy.
Me too.
That's how I feel.
And so that's why I'm not mad.
I wouldn't have been mad if Stephanie won.
I wouldn't have been mad if if Carrie Condon won.
I would have been like, great.
She's lovely.
Who could be mad about this?
They all were good.
They were all amazing.

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And so, but I'm glad that Michelle won.
I that I'm glad about that.
I would have been people after fucked up.
You people had a lot of Oscar get the yeah, she fucking earned it.
And like, look, I think for me, I enjoyed the show.
Overall, I had a good time.
Happy for Jamie Lee Curtis.

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Happy for everyone who won.
I do think that some of the below the line craft awards went to weird things.
I don't think all quiet on the Western front should have won as much as it did.
Why did that movie randomly sweep?
Like, I think I don't know.
People just love war movies.
I think that's what it is.
The guilds, the guilds who nominate and like vote and everything like that.

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And then obviously the larger Academy votes.
They just really like like it's similar in a way to like Dune last year or like Mad Max
Fury Road from a couple years ago, where it's like this big movie that kind of like didn't
come out of nowhere, but it's a big movie.
It's really audacious in what it's trying to achieve.
And it like sweeps below the line and all the crafts.

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And then it doesn't win any of the big prizes, which is fine because like, why would it win
any of the big prizes?
I think it is egregious that all quiet on the Western front beat Babylon for best score.
I think that is fucking crazy.
Justin Hurwitz put his whole fucking pussy into that Babylon score and he should have
won.

(30:33):
He should have won.
That is point blank fucking period.
Do you know what I discovered this year?
What?
I don't enjoy the Oscars and I prefer the Golden Globes.
That's because the Golden Globes are like so unserious.
They're so fun.
Plus there's TV categories.
If the Oscars had TV categories, I would like it way more.
I also like the Emmy score.
Well then the Oscars, then it would be the Emmys.
I like the Emmys more.
I think you're also more of a TV person than a movie person in general.

(30:56):
Exactly.
That's why I like my order for the award shows.
Do you want to know how my order for award shows?
Please.
Emmys, Golden Globes, Tonys, Grammys, Oscars.
Okay.
I think for me it's Oscars, Grammys, Tonys, Emmys, Golden Globes.

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Wow.
I think for me I love the Oscars so much because like, and I didn't watch everything that was
nominated this year.
I didn't watch a lot of shit.
But it's easier to keep track of like, okay, there's a set amount of things nominated.
With the Emmys and the Golden Globes and even the Grammys, it's like there's just so much

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to inject.
And this is your thing about like, I can't watch stuff until I'm ready to watch stuff
bites you in the ass.
Yeah, yeah.
I usually have watched most of the stuff that gets nominated for Golden Globes.
Yeah, you're such a, you're way more of an active watcher than I am.
You're like, you make it like a point to watch things where I very much do not.

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I'm very much, it depends on my mood.
But yeah, I'm also, I think as much as I love TV, obviously here I am on a TV podcast.
All we talk about.
I am, I think first and foremost, a movie guy.
I find that fascinating.
Over a TV person.
I just can't.
I don't have the attention span.
For me to want to watch a movie.
See, I don't have the attention span for a TV show.

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And that's crazy to me.
Because I think it's so much more work to be like actively engaged in a TV show than
a movie.
Because a movie's like, okay, two hours, two and a half hours.
I mean, some of these fucking guys are getting crazy with these three hour movies.
That's crazy to me.
I don't fuck with that at all.
But like a two hour movie, I'm like, I can sit through this and I can get everything
out of it.
And then move on.

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And I can revisit and it's easier to rewatch it.
I'm also a rewatcher, obviously.
Dude, like this is obvious from this podcast.
So like if I like a movie, obviously scream, I've seen hundreds of times.
If I like a movie, I will just watch it over and over and over.
I'm that way with TV and movies as well.
But anyway.
I enjoyed the Oscars this year.

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I'm very happy Michelle Yell won.
It was so amazing to see her.
I was so happy she won.
And I mean, I'm not going to stop watching the Oscars, but I definitely realized this
year that I don't enjoy them.
It's also just less exciting because there's like, the musical performances are so like
dour because it's always balanced.

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It's like rarely a fun song where like the Grammys and stuff and the Tonys have like
big numbers that are like, it has you out of your seat.
The Oscars are, yeah, they're very self serious.
And the Golden Globes are so like funny usually.
They nominate crazy shit.
I love it.
Oh my God.
I love it.
And I love when Abbott gets nominated for shit in like Modern Family.
They're giving out awards for fucking anything.

(33:48):
Okay.
They're like, you guest starred in half an episode in the first season of the show 20
years ago.
Okay.
Golden Globe Hate will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
No, and that's not me being a hater.
I love it because then I'm like, good, more people should just be getting awards.
I love to see so I love to see these rich people do stuff.
I wish there was like another award show that was only for like, I don't even know, like

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gay shows, for example.
And then like, well, there's like three of them on.
It'd be tough, which I think is a great segway into a League of their own.
Let's talk about that.
A League of their own got renewed and I'm so annoyed because like, yeah, first of all,
wait, I'm happy that it got renewed for a second season because some of those story
lines ended on complete and utter cliffhangers, but it only got renewed for like six episodes.

(34:32):
So they're going to have to like, no, it's four.
I thought it was six.
It's four.
It's four episodes.
Oh my God.
It's very bittersweet because I want more because I think the show is amazing, but I
want more.
I mean, I mean, I think that's the public consensus.
Nobody is happy with four.
Not even like, will Graham the creator of the show.
I feel bad for them.

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I feel really bad for them.
It's really sad because you could tell they put so much love into this.
It's heartbreaking.
But yeah, so like, it's, I'll watch it.
I'll rewatch the first season.
I just wish that it was getting, I wish it was getting the respect that it deserved
and continues to deserve because it is a really well made and like beautiful show.

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It's just so, so, so, so good.
I'm obsessed with it.
There's a line from, I think it's Moneyball, which is a movie I fucking love.
And it's unfortunately a line from Brad Pitt's character and it, but it makes me think of
a League of League of their own.
It makes me feel that way.
I'm like, how could you not be romantic about baseball?
Baseball is just such a good, it's such a good staging for drama.

(35:39):
So like, I just love that it's like, oh, lesbianism and baseball.
It's two of my favorite things in the world.
Honestly, most sports are good platforms for like drama and relationships and stuff like
that.
Yeah.
Because teams have to be very, yeah.
But yeah, I'm like, I'm bummed.
I know you're bummed too.
I am.

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But I'm also extremely excited that it got renewed.
Yes.
I'm happy.
I have to admit, I'm just happy that it got renewed.
I'm happy there's just going to be more.
I want better.
I want more and I want better for queer TV shows.
Yeah.
I'm happy about the fact that it wasn't canceled because in the midst of all these lesbian shows
getting canceled, this one is one that I really, really, really like wanted to get

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renewed.
Why couldn't they have canceled Gen Q and given us more League of their own?
I know, right?
Honestly, I would trade a complete season four of Gen Q for a complete season two.
Yeah.
I think that's justified.
Look, I think you've paid your dues enough to the L word that you can say that.
I love the L word, but that's how serious I am about League of their own.

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It's such a good show.
I don't need a season four of Gen Q.
Please, if you haven't watched it, please watch it.
Go watch it, please.
I'm sure one day we'll talk about it on the podcast in a more serious manner, a season
of sorts.
We definitely will.
Maybe after season two comes out.
Yeah, maybe we'll do a little bonus or a little mini bonus series.
Okay, so our last hot topic, we're taking two minutes to quickly talk about hacks because

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I started watching hacks and it's been on my list for too fucking long.
I fucking love Gene Smart.
And I just love the fact that Hollywood is finally seeing what all of the Milflovers
on Twitter is seeing, which is give Milfs every opportunity and your show will succeed.

(37:30):
We're seeing that with White Lotus.
We're seeing that with hacks.
We're seeing that with fucking Abba Elementary.
I'm not saying that the women on Abba are all super old.
I'm just saying the ones that are.
They're Milfa Age though.
Are beloved.
They're beloved and they are the ones that are fucking winning awards.
Jennifer Coolidge is winning crazy amount of awards.
She's so hot.
Shirley Ralph winning awards, Gene Smart winning awards.

(37:51):
Just let these Milfs run the town and don't make them play these fucking grandma ass characters
unless they want to.
Let them give them the opportunity to just play normal woman and see what happens and
you're going to have these shows that are like fucking amazing.
I'm sorry, but I fucking love old women, period.

(38:13):
I know I've seen the Twitter timeline.
I love them all.
Every day it's like in the group chat we have with our best friend Mickey.
It's literally like okay, which old lady is Victoria going to talk about today?
It really is.
Which one in the rotation is it today?
And I'm justified.
No, we love it because we're the same exact fucking way.

(38:34):
So it's like, it's nothing but love and respect for you and your old women.
I love them all.
God damn.
But yeah, I definitely need to watch hacks.
That's on my list.
I will get to it eventually.
I promise.
I know I say that a lot about a lot of things, but I will.
This should be one that you really, really watch because it's actually really funny.

(38:57):
Yeah, I think I would really, from the clips I've seen, it looks like something right up
my alley.
We've been laughing out loud.
Yeah.
So I'm excited to eventually get to it.
I think Tony would like it too.
So maybe that'll be one we watch together eventually.
Tony would definitely like it.
So it's on my list.
I will do it.
But I'm very happy you're enjoying it.

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And you're planning to start Yellowjackets next, correct?
We are in the process of watching season two of hacks right now.
And once we finish with that, we're going to jump into Yellowjackets.
And we're hoping to finish hacks like this week so that we can start season one of Yellowjackets
before season two comes out.
Because that's like at the end of the month or something like that.
It's like a week or two away.

(39:40):
It's in like two weeks or so.
I need to watch Yellowjackets season one still.
I've seen the first two episodes and I really loved it.
So I need to watch that ASAP because it rips.
I can't wait to watch it.
Oh yeah.
So the second season is March 26th.
It starts.
So you have, it's Sunday.
Yeah.
So we're probably going to binge like a few episodes of hacks tonight, a few tomorrow,

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and try and finish it all and then watch Yellowjackets season one.
Cool.
Next week.
So we're going to watch all of the episodes.
We've been watching all of the episodes lately.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wow.
40 minutes on Hot Topics.
We kind of went off.
I can't, I'm sorry.
Why?
I'm sorry to myself.
I'm sorry to the listener.
I'm sorry for you for having to edit this.

(40:25):
No.
The listeners, just, just understand you can skip by it if you want, but.
Yes.
And scream spoilers were there.
Yeah.
I'm very passionate about this.
We're passionate about all the stuff we talk about on this podcast honestly.
We are.
And that's why it's fun.
We shouldn't apologize for our episode time anymore.
No, you're right.
I listened to podcasts that are like three or four hours long.

(40:45):
We're not, we're not even that crazy.
All right.
We're not even that crazy.
And then another thing, I listened to podcasts at two times the speed.
That's crazy.
So.
Do you really?
Yeah.
So if this ends up being two hours long, I'm going to be able to listen to it in one
hour.
That's crazy.
I don't do, I can't do that.
I tried.
I can't focus.

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I love it.
It kind of makes it sound funnier.
It sounds a little bit funnier.
Oh my God.
I must sound like such a faggot in two times.
I also edit in two times the speed.
That is so crazy.
Holy shit.
I edit in two times the speed because it helps me like it just helps it go fast.
No, I get it.
I mean, hey, whatever it works, that's nuts though.

(41:28):
But whatever, whatever.
We literally sound like chipmunks when we're talking.
Oh my God.
I'm like, oh my God, you know that fucking thing?
And you're like, oh my God.
No.
I said, I never did it.
We also never shut the fuck up anyway.
We're like two people screaming over each other at like a high pitch.
I love it.
Okay, we have to talk about Gilmore Girls now.
Okay, the way I didn't even pull it up in Netflix and was already excited to watch it.

(41:49):
I was really excited too.
I just, this episode stands out so much for me because of how dynamic everybody is on
screen.
Like, even the scenes that aren't at the Gilmore House towards the end of the episode, I still
find that everybody was acting their ass off.
Like honestly, Liza as Paris was a coughing off.

(42:11):
She is in her insane era when she's in her daily news.
She is so hard to watch because of how good she's acting.
Yeah.
She's definitely manic.
I was like uncomfortable watching her as her scenes.
I thought Luke did a really good job of like being very awkward and uncomfortable about
all of the situation with the postpone wedding and just like Lauren Graham as always.

(42:37):
Is so good in this episode.
She's just so fucking good.
And so everybody was acting their ass off on this episode.
If there was going to be an episode nominated for an award, I would choose this one.
You know who fucking eats in this episode?
Babette.
Emily Gilmore.
Emily did too.
Yeah.
What were you doing looking at a plate?
I can't look at a plate if I'm looking at a plate.

(42:59):
I have that exact quote in my notes.
We will get there.
Like I said earlier, the first half, I was like, oh, why this one?
And then it picked up and I was like, oh yeah.
Yeah.
You know who's also on one in this fucking episode?
Suki.
She was annoying me.
She was annoying me too.

(43:20):
I wrote she was literally pissing me off.
She looked great though.
Looking so good.
But yeah, she was pissing me off.
I was like, just shut the fuck up.
Okay.
So the title is an Elton John reference.
Slay.
That cannot be missed.
That was for us.
It's for the gay people.
Yeah.
So it opens on Lorelei at like the ass crack of Dawn getting dressed in her new bedroom,

(43:44):
which is their bedroom after Luke renovates it after he moves in and shit.
The house looks so good.
I forgot how cute the room was after they started.
The bathroom?
I literally was like, ooh, let me see.
Cute.
So she accidentally wakes Luke up and he's like, what the fuck?
Why are you up this early bitch?
And she's like, oh, I have chores and he's like ready to strangle.

(44:05):
The scene is so funny because he's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
It's crazy because they already act like a married couple.
It's like, you guys don't need to get married.
You already act like a married couple.
You know what it reminds me of?
Carrie and Big in the first Sex and the City movie.
Oh yeah.
Because it's like, why are you just signed the paperwork?
You don't need to do all this.
You're already there.
Like you've been together on and off for like 20 fucking years.

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What's the drama?
But Luke looks so fucking hot in the scene.
Yeah.
He just woke up.
He has like bed head, bed face and like.
Nice.
So yeah.
So they postponed their wedding because Luke found out that he has a daughter, April.
And poor April.
He's like, where are you going?

(44:49):
Yeah.
He's like, where are you going?
I'm going to look at flowers with Suki because I forgot to cancel.
And it's like, honestly, this entire season felt so fake to me.
Season six feels very fake.
Yeah.
None of these storylines really make sense to me.
It's like.
They're all very weird.

(45:09):
Just none of it made sense.
Yeah.
But when she's like Suki, I forgot to call Suki and tell her.
So I'm just going to go.
And people still think I'm going to show up to everything because I haven't canceled anything
because this all just happened yesterday.
Yeah.
And she's like, this happened yesterday.
Like this would have been a phone call if this is me.

(45:31):
Oh, bitch.
If my wedding got postponed, I'm fucking.
It's a five alarm fire in my house.
Are you kidding me?
Everyone's getting a phone call.
I'm calling the pope.
Right.
I mean, this literally all just happened yesterday and she is actually going to meet her friend
in person.
I would be so depressed.
I would be too depressed to leave my house.

(45:52):
I would be laying in bed crying and I would need to be consoled by everybody who has ever
shown me any kind of love or support.
I will say, though, this is like kind of pretexting era.
I know.
No, I'm not even saying text.
I'm saying call.
Yeah.
Just call.
No, yeah.
I would be on FaceTime for hours.
I would be like, okay, guys, here's the zoom link.

(46:13):
We're getting it all done at once.
I'm a FaceTime bitch.
Yeah.
I would probably be FaceTiming Suki and being like, I'm horribly depressed.
We can't go to the flower market.
I'm sorry I didn't tell you sooner, but Luke called off our wedding last night so you can
imagine why you didn't get a call.
Fucking, it happened yesterday.
Yeah, she has good reason.
So he's so awkward and he almost apologizes for postponing the wedding, but then he doesn't.

(46:36):
Yeah.
He's like, well, I'm sorry.
And she's like, oh no, like it's fine.
Lorelai looks like she's on the verge of tears for half of this episode.
She definitely is.
Like, it's just sad.
Honestly, but she canceled nothing.
And then she went on to confess to Suki that like, I don't think I really should cancel

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anything because what if Luke changes his mind?
And it's like, honestly, that plan wasn't her worst plan that she ever could have had.
I agree.
But at the same time, maybe the money.
She set herself up to like fail.
Yeah.
Yeah, because it's it's because it was predictable that Luke wasn't going to change his mind.
She set herself up to get disappointed because which is class.

(47:22):
She got her hopes up.
Yeah, she set she got her hopes up even further than he ever could have.
Yeah, it's true.
And it's just like the scene at Suki.
Yeah, was really annoying to watch.
She blamed her.
She literally said, what did you do?
I was gagged.
I did not remember that.
She's like, why do you do this?
Why do you want to make yourself miserable?

(47:43):
I was like, ouch.
So not only did your fiance postpone your wedding because he has a daughter, but your best friend
then immediately assumes it was your fault that that happened.
That's not a good look.
That was really bad.
That can make you feel good.
But Suki kind of spilled when she said that, though, because Lorelai is self-destructive

(48:03):
with her relationship.
Oh, absolutely.
It's just like is now the time to bring it up.
Right.
Well, I mean, but she didn't know any better.
She goes.
I mean, she was safe to assume.
Because she ran away from, what's his name?
Max.
Max, forgot him.
I just think, I think Suki was valid, but she was annoying me also because she also
like made it all about her.

(48:24):
Yeah, because we're team Lorelai.
Yeah.
But she made it all about her.
She was like, oh, do you think Jackson has like a secret love child that, oh my God,
there's that kid and he sounds just like him and blah, blah, blah.
I was like, girl, what are you talking about?
Your best friend just told you that her fiance has a secret love child with a woman that you've
never met who's probably hotter than you and newsflash she is.

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And like you're talking about whether your husband, who's the most loyal person in the
world, he was probably a virgin when he met him.
Whether he has a love child, just shut up and listen to your friend, bitch.
It is also so funny that at the end of this scene though, she walks, they're walking away
and she was like, they do, he does look just like him.
Yeah.

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Yeah, it was cute.
Lorelai wasn't that bothered.
No, not at all.
But I was bothered.
I was bothered for real.
I think the reason the plan failed of like, okay, we're not going to cancel everything.
I'm just going to keep everything until the very last second and cancel the day before
I might lose my deposit.
I think that the reason that plan failed is because she didn't do a good enough job of

(49:26):
checking in on whether Luke had changed his mind or not.
Yeah.
He doesn't even try to coerce him into changing his mind.
She just like waits for him to say it and of course he never does.
He's never going to.
He's the kind of guy who needs a nudge.
Has she not learned that yet?
Yeah.
He just goes back and lets him like, okay, I'm going to give him his space to process
his shit with his daughter, but then it becomes like out of sight, out of mind, and he never

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changes his mind and then it's too late and that's why they end up breaking up.
They're just bad at communicating.
It's crazy.
They're so bad at communicating.
They really are.
Just talk to him.
Like it's not difficult.
It really isn't.
Well, actually it is because he is such an avoidant personality type.
He does not like conversations about anything serious or anything important.

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He just wants- No, which is infuriating.
You know who's also kind of like that in the show?
Like the minute difficult stuff starts coming up, they're just like, anyway, okay.
So blah, blah, blah, and they move on right away.
Truly like nothing happened.
You know who else is like that?
Who?
Richard.
Yeah.
You know who else looked hot in this episode?
Richard.

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Richard.
When his bow tie was undone, I was like- I knew you were going to make a comment about
that.
Oh my God.
How can I not?
How can I not?
He was drunk at that part.
He was drunk.
I was like, oh my God, sir.
Oh my God.
Do you think he and Emily- Yeah, they fucked that night.
They fucked hard that night.
Fuck yeah, I hope they did.

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After the fucking argument about the airplane.
Oh my God, yes.
He sounded so hot when she was screaming at him too.
I was like, okay.
I have something controversial to say as well.
What?
You know who I was kind of attracted to in this episode?
Rory.
Logan.
No!
Why, wait, wait, you're not controversial because my answer to that question was literally

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Rory and yours was Logan, but I have notes about how like, okay, Logan is kind of being
good boyfriend in this episode.
He was being a- But like Rory taking over control of the Yale Daily.
I literally was like- Thank God.
Was High Key a tough moment on her.
She was like crushing it and then he was like very sweet and helpful and he used his like
his last name privilege to help her and the paper and everything.

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But also he was being so- Sweet.
No, that was an annoying part where he accidentally, you know what it is about Logan?
He makes me literally like him and hate him in the same-
It's one step forward, two steps back.
Literally he'll do the sweetest fucking thing.
Oh babe, like you should have called me.
I would have came down and helped you.
You know I'm a genius at all this stuff.

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Like it's just, it comes to me like breathing.
It's so easy.
You know like I'm Logan Huntsburger.
You know my dad runs newspapers.
Like I could have helped you.
Like why didn't you just call me?
Like it's like, did you not know that I'm Logan Hunts-
And it's like, oh can you shut the fuck up before I punch you in the fucking face?
But he used his evil powers for good in the end.
But yeah, see and that's what I'm saying.
He makes me like him and hate him in the same breath.

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Like it's just a little- Yeah, but yeah I was like, I was like oh he's sweet in this
episode.
He was funny in this episode.
It was very, I find him very charming here.
He, yeah so moving into that scene where we leave Lorelei and Suki, it transitions over
to Rory and she's like meets him at a coffee cart and she's like, wow like you've been

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waiting for me at this- Well he intercepts her at a coffee cart.
Yeah, she's- It's a better way.
She's like you've been meeting me at this coffee cart for the past three days and he's
like well it's the only place on campus that I know I can definitely see you at the same
time every day.
And it was really cute how like he made like a strong effort to like make sure he actually

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saw her and knew that she was just gonna go and get coffee.
But it brought a question up which is why didn't our school have a coffee cart?
Because I worked at the one cafe in town.
I kind of wish that we had a coffee cart on campus.
We barely had a campus, Victoria.
I know.
We didn't have much campus to put a coffee cart on.
I should have been one in one of the buildings.

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In Victory Park?
No!
Inside of- Is that where we're putting one?
No, inside of one of the buildings.
That's just silly at that point.
I know but I wanted one.
It's so cute!
It's so quintessential.
It is so cute.
It's like so New England.
No, I agree.
It is very cute.
It would have been lovely and then I maybe, I mean I still would have had to do my job

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but I would have maybe gotten treated like shit less.
Yeah.
People would have been a little bit nicer because it wouldn't be random people from
the town.
It would just be students and teachers.
Literally one time I had a guy who was a teaching.
He was like a, what was it, adjunct?
Be so rude to me.
I walked into the French building, into the printmaking studio and I knew his class was

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upstairs and I started yelling about how rude he was to me saying his name in full.
I love that.
Because I was like, he's gonna know I'm mad.
He like threw his money on the counter at me and took a cup.
I love that.
I'm so glad you have a mouth.
I'm fine.
I was literally like, I was livid and Derek was in his class at the time and I texted
Derek and I was like, your teacher's on my fucking shit list.

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And he was like, oh no.
But anyway, pro coffee cart.
Pro coffee cart.
Pro Logan in the scene.
Pro Logan in the scene which is rare for us.
Although he's crazy for comparing himself to a Nora Efron.
I was gonna say, I loved the Swedish and Seattle reference but he is not on that level.
No, no, no, no.
Let's not get fucking crazy, my guy.

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Pull back.
Pull back.
So, Rory is conflict avoidant.
Typical Libra hiding the fact that Christopher wants to pay for Yale and in fact he already
did pay for Yale because Richard calls Lorelei and is like, hey, I got a call from the Yale
Bursar's office and they said that my check to Yale got declined.
So I'm like, I'm in an uproar.

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I'm gonna kill everybody on that campus.
Hell hath no fury like a grandpa school.
Hell hath no fury like a rich person scorned.
Yeah.
Just pissed.
I know he was giving those Bursars fucking hell.
Yeah, he was like, if you don't fix this, I will stop funding your school and I'm paying
for 80% of it at this point.
I love Richard.

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It was so fun to watch him be like.
Angry grandpa.
Angry grandpa.
And.
I liked watching him Yale.
I liked watching him Yale.
Him and Emily.
Love that scene.
I love any scene where Emily is yelling top of her lungs.
Kelly Bishop is fucking hot.
I'm not gonna hide it anymore.
Kelly Bishop.
When did you?
When have you ever?
I never have.

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But, um, okay.
Anyway, so Lorelei is like, okay, thanks dad.
And then she calls Rory and then she's like, Rory, why have you been hiding this from them?
Like they're gonna figure it out.
Like.
She is very avoidant.
She's just a bad liar.
Yeah.
She hides stuff.
She likes to hide stuff.
Yes.

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She hid Dean.
She hid Dean.
She hid.
She hid Dean.
She hid Jess.
She hid the affair with Dean.
She hid Logan at one point.
She hid this.
Typical Libra.
I just like, just tell, just be honest.
Just be honest bitch.
Stop being.
If she had went to Richard and Emily and said, hey, my dad reached out and wants to do something,
they would understand.

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It's because of how conflict avoidant she is.
She doesn't want anybody mad at her.
She wants everybody to see her as a perfect person.
And so.
Which always like blows up in her face.
But yeah, so I, the phone call was funny.
The phone call was funny.
And then it jumps over to Yale Daily News and Paris is screaming at people.

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Like she is scary in this one.
Billy compares her literally to Mussolini.
He literally does.
And she is, she looks hot here.
I'm not gonna lie.
She does.
All right.
I like Paris when she's in her angry mode.
I like, like her hair.
I like her angry.
I don't like her borderline psychotic.
Her face looks very angular and sharp when she's like walking by.

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I just found her angles to be on point in this moment.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can see that.
Um, so they start fighting and Rory's like, can you just chill out a little bit?
Like what's going, why is this?
Rory's right.
She, yeah.
She's like, why does this newspaper have a huge gap in it instead of a picture?
And she's like, well, our pictures have sucked eggs lately.
And like everybody in the newsroom is wearing numbered hats.

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Paris is literally, so fucking, Paris is in her psychotic.
She's literally a dictator.
I really like, she has like literally built a hut out of a cubicle.
She looks like the, the unabomber lives in there.
She's insane.
I, yeah, the scene was gnarly to watch.
I feel so bad for these people.
Honestly, Bill kind of gagged Rory when she was like, where is gagged her?

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She's like, where's Joni?
Where is Rachel?
Where's bubble lime?
He's like, they're sick.
They're all sick.
And she's like, well, there's been a lot of sickness going around.
He's like, yeah, and I have a feeling there's about to be a lot more.
And like, I think Bill was fucking funny.
He made me give up.
But yeah, it's just like Paris is on one.

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Her, Rory's, Rory's standing up for herself here because it's something she cares about
and it's like, passionate.
And it's confident about.
Which I appreciate.
Yeah, she knows she's good at this.
So then fucking Lorelei calls Richard back and is like, hey, Christopher paid for Yale.
Sorry.

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But when she calls, Richard picks up and then Emily joins on the other line.
And Emily's like, could you make this quick?
I have to go to a DAR meeting.
And it's like, Emily, you were never supposed to be involved in this college.
You weren't, I didn't call you.
Feel free to go.
Feel free to hang up.
Like if you're in a rush, cool.
See your way out of it.
We never invited you to this convo.
Bye lady.
And when she tells them the silence on the other end of the line, Emily literally just

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hangs up.
I was so uncomfortable.
I feel bad for Emily and Richard in this episode.
Me too.
They deserve better than that.
Because like, Rory should have.
They deserve respect.
And she, they, they, she was not giving them any.
Lorelei was, Lorelei was.
Lorelei gave Rory respect enough to be like, this is your bed.
You lie in it.

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You need to be honest.
But she also gave them enough respect to be like, Hey, this is what's happening.
Out of my hands, I have nothing to do with it, but I want you to be aware.
You know, she doesn't want to leave anyone hanging dry.
I think for once, Lorelei was the one who was respectful to Richard and Emily instead
of Rory.

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We don't see that very often.
Yeah.
And it's a nice change of pace.
And it's her actually stepping into that kind of mother role a bit more clearly.
And I liked, I liked it.
I made me happy to, for her to be like, look, you, you can't treat your grandparents like
this.
It's not fair to them.
They've done a lot for you.
And you, and she explains it to her where she is like, you, you've built this relationship

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with them.
You always wanted to have a relationship with them.
You can't throw that away now.
This will be a turning point.
I think also something that I loved was Richard didn't get fully upset at her because he
knew it didn't really have to do with her as much.
Anything to do with her.
Like he, she didn't have any say in the situation, so he can't be mad at her.
It's not going to change.

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It's not going to be like, he's not going to get an apology out of her because she didn't
do any.
Right.
Okay.
Um, so then Lorelei goes to visit Rory at school and I don't like tiny scarves.
This bitch is made of tiny scarves.
Like this seems to be all she has in her fucking wardrobe this year.
It's just, they don't do it.
They're so ugly too.
They don't do anything.
Wear a normal fucking scarf.

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She was wearing one last episode too.
Remember we talked about it?
I'm, yeah, I'm so glad tiny scarves are not like chic again.
Me too.
Um, so she's like, by the way, I scheduled this for Friday night dinner.
You need to talk to your grandparents about this.
You're not going to stay in hiding and freeze them out for the rest of your life.
Like this shit needs to get addressed.
And she's right.
She's absolutely right.

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She's being so adult about it.
She's being so adult about it.
And then, so Rory goes back to the Yale Daily News and then fucking Bill is being so annoying.
He's like, so funny though.
Yeah, everybody quit.
He's like, you're just making me, I'm just sitting here so I can watch the one time in
history the Yale Daily News doesn't come out.
You know that is exactly what you and I would do.
Bitch, I would be busting my ass to make that paper come out.

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But if Paris had treated you like that.
I'm a completionist.
I don't want, I don't want something like that to happen.
See, I'm petty.
I would have been like, damn, this is so crazy.
You guys fucked up like this, huh?
You would not just sit there and give up.
You would be fighting too.
I would fight once Rory showed up and like lit a fire under my ass, but before that,
no.
Once I had a leader who like, cared and like actually wanted to do the job well, I would

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have been like, okay, I mean, but I, if it was just Paris, I would have been like, damn
bitch, this is crazy.
Yeah, I would be like, oh my God, sucks to suck.
Anyway, should we go get pizza?
Yeah.
Okay.
So Rory goes into Paris's hut and is like, are you aware that like, first of all, there's
no air or light in here and second, the sound in that scene was weird too.

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And second of all, the newspaper is not going to come out.
You have a checklist that is like 100 hours of work and the paper is supposed to come
out in five hours.
And Paris is like, stop distracting me.
I'm writing a review of SUNY Todd.
Get the fuck out of here.
I would literally pay to read her review of SUNY Todd.
Yeah, absolutely.
It would be scathing.
I'm sure.

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And she's just insane.
So Rory gets out of there and is like, look, we are going to put this paper out people,
whether Paris likes it or not.
Yeah, no bullshit.
No bullshit.
And then it cuts over to Lorelai and Suki is over the house and apparently she's taking
Paul Anka for sleepover, but she plays the, she plays a message from Luke on the answering

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machine and turns out Luke is with April at the diner and they're going to be there until
like eight.
He's just like, and like Suki is like, oh, I guess you guys decided that you're not
meeting the kid.
It's so weird.
It's very weird.
Like, why is he, why is he keeping her from her?
I don't get that.
Yeah, I can under, I, if I was in Lorelai's position, I would be so upset by that.

(01:03:39):
Me too.
Like, why are you hiding me from this person in your life as if I'm not just as important?
Not to compare, not to say she's just as important, but that's supposed to be your
partner.
My mom introduced me to my stepdad like very early on into their relationship.
Like it was one of the first things I think she did in that relationship.

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Which I think makes sense because it's like, okay, I trust this.
Wait, and same thing with my dad when he started dating my stepmom too, actually.
Like, because it's like, look, I trust this person enough.
We've known each other a little bit.
If they're going to be a part of my life, my kids need to be aware of that because like
it's not going to change anything.
I truly, yeah, I truly believe it's very wrong for that.
I think that he should have introduced April to Lorelai much sooner.

(01:04:24):
Yeah, and introduce her to Rory.
You have someone who is in the same weird bracket as this kid.
Show her, have her develop a relationship with Rory so she can like, they could be
weird smart people to get to.
Right, like that would have been so natural.
And see, and this is why season six feels so fake because I think if this was written

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by Amy Sherman Palladino, this is not how this would have happened.
And it's also like, take parenting advice from fucking Lorelai.
She did a pretty good job.
Wouldn't you want to ask her like, what do you think?
What like, like it's not like she's a bad influence.
Her kid turned out really great.
Her kid's like a fucking genius and yours is too.

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So like it just makes sense for them to be friends.
Yeah, you're in the same boat so you should listen to her and try and try and have them
develop a relationship.
It's just such a weird, weird thing for him to do.
Agreed.
So Lorelai then goes into the town and again, not really clear why she would do this, especially
if Luke just left that message.

(01:05:28):
Was her intention always to go to Taylor's diner to spy on them through that window?
Who knows?
I don't think she would have if he didn't leave the message.
So she goes in and there's like a huge line wrapped around the block to get free samples
of hot chocolate and fucking Lorelai goes in.
And she dodges the entire line because obviously she's just there to stare at them through

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the window.
And this lady, Ruthie, yells at them and is like, hey, you can't skip the line and do
you know who she is?
No, who is that actress?
I know her face.
She is Dale Dickie and she played Beverly, which is the chaperone for the peaches in
the League of their Own.
Oh, that is how I know her.
She's so good at League of their Own.

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She's so fucking, she's great.
So Bebette comes in behind her.
Bebette's like a steamroller.
Bebette's like, anyway, here's the hot chocolate, honey.
Patty blah blah blah blah blah and they start gossiping.
It's like, who, because who's going to tussle with Bebette?
No one.
Who's going to tussle with Bebette?
That is, that is mother.
No one's going to tussle with her.
No one's going to say shit to her.
She is the queen of the town.

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Like that's it.
Nobody's going to say anything to her.
So she gets the hot chocolate.
They fuck off.
And she's just like sitting at a table and then she just starts spying on them like through
the window.
And like, likeation and so on and so on and so forth.
Like household and some else, and suspecting назад.
And he's like wh YouTuber crushed like nächste day without doing anything on it.

(01:06:54):
In fact, this he's like actually securitythree and had someone應 I did?
I wanted to go down and get out.
I'm tied in the hole.
So I just sat there and got a call to help me get the hell out of there.
And then I disembarked and went straight for a...
I suddenly sat.
And then I, I sat down on that chair.
Patty are like, oh yeah, that's Luke's daughter.
I heard that her mom's that Nardini girl.

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She was so beautiful.
And it's like, honestly, I think Sherilyn Fenn is gorgeous.
And I think that she might be more beautiful
than Lauren Graham.
She has like that full lip Italian goddess thing going for her.
I don't even know if she's Italian.
She looks like she is though.
She's so hot.
She's fucking sexy.

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She's so fucking hot.
Ridiculous.
You know how old she is now?
Oh my God.
She's 58.
Fuck.
Milf.
That's Lisa's age.
She's born in 1963.
Milf things.
Was she born in 1963?
1965, she's 58.
Oh, 58.
Damn.
A hot ass bitch.
Yeah, she's so good in this.

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She's good when she shows up.
The mole next to her eye.
The full lips, she has very full lips.
Oh, God.
Okay, we need to stop.
We need to, we need to poop.
I don't want to bitch.
We're going to spend another couple of minutes on this one.
I...
You know what she reminds me of?
Who?
Jennifer Goodwin.
I was, I agree.

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Because I was looking for a second, I was like,
wait, she looks like Jennifer Goodwin
specifically in Big Love.
I was going to say right around the time
when she was in fucking once upon a time.
Oh my God, I love once upon a time.
That show never gets talked about anymore.
We need to talk about it.
We might talk about it.
We might talk about that show one day.

(01:08:38):
You want to talk some fucking lesbian fan fiction?
Let's get into once upon a time.
I fucking stance one queen.
Let's talk about fucking bitch.
Let's talk about it.
Let's talk about it.
I also, I shipped hook with anybody I could.
Oh God.
I want to see him fucking everybody.
Oh my God.
He's so hot.

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You just know I really only cared about Regina.
I love Regina.
Regina was my bitch.
I love Regina.
I loved Prince Charming.
I will say I think he's a sweetheart.
Damn, that show is fucking good.
I missed that show.
Sebastian San is really good in that show too.
He was really good in that show.
Was that show kind of like when he got his biggest start?

(01:09:20):
Yeah, cause I think it was like right before
he was Winter Soldier, if I remember correctly.
So it's like, yeah, it's like either, I'm just,
oh God, I'm assuming they filmed it around the same time?
Cause I'm trying to think.
So he was in Captain America 2011

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and he was in Once Upon a Time 2012.
So it was probably filmed around the same-ish time,
is my guess.
But yeah, well he started in Gossip Girl really.
Right, you know who else she kind of reminds me of too?
Who?
And I better not get hate mail for this.
She looks like her.
So people don't come for me.
Elizabeth Taylor.

(01:10:01):
Oh yeah, I see that 100%.
Like it's just around the eyes and the dark, dark hair.
I think it really helps with how she's styled too.
Yeah.
Oh God, so beautiful.
Just like, it's very bombshell.
Okay, I need to stop licking up pics.
Yes, but she's a good foil to Lorelei.
Lorelei is very like hometown beauty.

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And she's very like-
Bum-hum.
X, yeah, she's like the hot X
that you're kind of suspicious of.
She's like Sexpot.
Where like Lorelei's girl next door.
Does that make sense?
I mean, Luke has a kid with her
and he doesn't have one with Lorelei, so.
Well, okay, we need to move on.
Okay.
This episode makes me a little sad.
Yeah.

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So she literally leaves after they say that.
They're like, oh my God, she was so gorgeous
and then she gets up and leaves.
She's like, I gotta go.
I can't blame her.
And then back to Rory, she gets a call from the printer
and the printers are like,
oh, you're gonna lose your printing spot.
And she's like, oh, shit, fuck.
No, I'm gonna send you a Christmas card.

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Please don't cancel.
Like you're gonna be part of history if we don't cancel.
And they give her another hour.
And it's like totally the Lorelei Gilmore effect.
Like, you know Lorelei would have done some shit.
Like get sorted with the guy to get an extra hour.
Rory saved the paper and then Logan shows up.
And my notes are literally seconds apart.
He was a good boyfriend in this episode.

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Nevermind, he went and made me hate him
by making about his ego.
Oh, shut up.
And like, you're not wrong.
I feel the same way.
Yeah.
But I just, I'm like, I'm glad that he wasn't mad
about her blowing him off
because he very easily could have been
and that would have been annoying.
That would have been even more annoying for sure.
It's nice that he was like,
why didn't you just call me to help?

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I would have loved to help you.
I'll help you now.
So that was nice.
I was like, okay, he's making the right choice.
He's doing it in a douchebag way.
Yeah.
But he's making the right choice at the end of the day.
He's not perfect.
What can we say?
And she runs this fucking room like the Navy.
She really does.
She's like, I assigned this, I assigned that,
I did this, I did that.
And then he's like, okay, good.

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The only thing I would change is
we need to knock Bill off his fucking pedestal.
Yeah, and he's right.
Yeah, and he's right.
So then Luke, we cut back to Luke and Lorelai
and Luke comes home and he's like,
I love April.
She's so smart.
She's a genius and she loves doing her homework.
But I felt like we were monkeys in a zoo
because I look up and the entire town
is staring at us through that window.

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And she's like, wow, that is so crazy.
Yeah, and he's like, can't they get that
this is a private thing?
I mean, you understand, you give us privacy,
you don't come and spy on us after I asked you for space.
And she's like, yeah, I totally don't.
I would never ever do that to you, baby.
And it's just like really funny how
she was literally one of them, but he has no idea
because she left early before he saw her.

(01:12:50):
I love that he didn't know she was there.
I love it too.
And I love that he never will know.
Yeah, of course.
And then, okay, so back to the Yale Daily.
This episode has so much back and forth.
They got another call and Bill's like,
the printer called again and this time
he's really serious, he gave away our spot.
So Logan literally makes me love him

(01:13:10):
with his annoying charm.
Yeah, it's very smarmy in this, but it works on me.
It works.
Because he's doing it for the greater good.
Yeah, but it's annoying because two seconds later
he's like, you owe me so bad for this, babe.
You better give me a blow job later.
He did not say that.
He says everything but that.
He says everything but that.
You know that's what the fuck he meant.

(01:13:31):
You know that's what the fuck he meant.
Do you think he's packing?
Definitely.
Yeah, right?
He's gotta be hanging it.
I think he's hanging.
I think so too.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think it's annoying though.
Yeah, yeah, it's like, of course.
Of course you have to force.
Of course this douchebag is.
Yeah, I agree.
Okay, I'm glad we agree on that.
You know who has probably the biggest,
okay, we're gonna cert them in order.

(01:13:53):
I think the biggest is probably, proportionally, yeah.
I think Jess has the smallest dick
out of the three of them.
No, Tristan does.
That's why he is a competition.
Oh yeah, well wait, I'm not even counting him.
I'm talking about the three boys.
I am counting him because they shared a kiss.
Oh fuck, that's true.
Remember they kissed?
Okay, yeah, so he's fourth.
So yeah, Dean, Logan, Jess.

(01:14:14):
Dean is number one, Logan, then Jess, then Tristan.
Okay, I'm glad we agree on that.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Cool.
Anyways, moving right along,
Logan convinces the printer that he actually had the file
the entire time, printer's stupid enough to believe him.
I thought it was funny when he was like,
hang on, I'm looking for a pen
and they all actually hand him a pen.
And he literally waves them away.

(01:14:35):
And he looks at them and it's like, are you all stupid?
He's like, are you guys fucking stupid?
It's also like, why did they lie like this in the first place?
Right.
And then fucking, he's like, okay,
so tell me your name and the guy's like Russell Smith.
He's like, Russell Smith, I guess I didn't need a pen for that.
That genuinely made me laugh out loud.
I was like, fuck, that's a good one.
Cause that's exactly what would happen in real life.

(01:14:56):
Yeah.
All right, my favorite part of the episode
still has not happened.
Same, it's literally the last bit of the episode.
It literally is, but it's so worth it.
It's so worth it.
It's literally worth the weight.
It really is.
So Paris comes running out after they save the fucking paper
and she's like, yay, we did it, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, go back in your cave.
Someone should have thrown something at her.
I literally would have, or I would have like done a dive.
Yeah, I would have killed her.

(01:15:17):
Like I would have, I would have been like,
oh, it's time for to go to jail.
Time to tussle, bitch.
Oh, and then, but Logan pulls out a little meal
with some wine.
That was cute.
Yeah, when did he have time to do that?
He probably called someone and had it delivered
when she wasn't looking.
That's adorable.
It was really sweet.
And I was like, okay, you get it.
That's another one where I'm on your side here.
Okay, another one.

(01:15:37):
Thank you, thank you.
Um, yeah, cute, cute moment.
And then she kissed him.
She kissed him.
You just know she gave him a BJ later tonight.
Yeah, she was horny for him that night.
That kiss, that kiss.
I would have been horny for him too.
Did you see that kiss?
It was hot.
That was a steamy kiss.
That was a steamy kiss.
That was a, that was invaded.
Wait, also.
That was, if this was a movie.
If this was HBO.

(01:15:59):
This would have been turned into a rated R seat.
They would have immediately cut to them
going back to her dorm and.
Can I say one thing too about this episode?
What?
Rory's hair looks really good.
Yeah, I agree.
She looked hot in the, in the newly new scene.
She did, that's what I'm saying.
She looked hot in this episode.
You found Logan hot, I found Rory hot.
Yeah, I agree.
I think everyone in this episode looks really good.

(01:16:20):
Yeah, except Paris.
Yeah, except Paris.
Although, no.
Even then though.
Even then she looked hot.
Even then I'm not mad, but.
I think she did.
But, okay, so then we cut back to the Gilmores
and finally it's time for the best scene
in the entire episode, Friday night dinner.
How long does this go on for?
This is like a 12 minute scene.
It's crazy, right?

(01:16:42):
It feels long.
It's really good.
It's really good.
It feels long, but not in a way that like, isn't fun.
Right.
So they tell a little story about like a fairy tale
and because they're dilly-dallying,
they don't want to go in.
Understandable.
They finally go in and they're like,
oh, where's mom?
And Emily comes in and she's like,

(01:17:03):
oh, I'm sorry guys, I'm outside painting
a moonscape on the patio.
I'm trying to enter an award for blah, blah, blah.
And her little shawl is so chic and cute.
She looks so chic.
She looks very chic and adorable.
Also her painting looks great.
Yeah, I fucking love her.
Fuck.
So the four of them are acting bizarre.
It's so uncomfortable.

(01:17:23):
It's very uncomfortable.
Richard keeps going on and on about the temperature
of his martini and they're all like,
this martini is like really strong grandpa.
And he's like, well, just drink what you want
and just throw the rest in the trash,
including the glass.
I'll give a fuck.
It's like, okay, can you chill out a little bit?
And then Emily comes back in and she's like,
okay, I'm gonna take a shower.
And they're like, look guys,
we're trying to apologize.
And Emily's like, grandma, wait, Lorela is like,

(01:17:46):
mom, she's trying to explain.
And we're like, yeah, I'm trying to explain.
And Emily's like, I don't think Emily's-
She's like, I don't really give a fuck actually.
She's like, I don't care.
And I don't think anyone needs to explain anything
except for why I'm not being allowed to clean myself.
Cause they keep telling her like, no, don't go.
Like we need to talk about this.
And her wicked cackle when fucking Lorelai is like,

(01:18:06):
Christopher's trying to be a good father
and trying to be there.
Oh, she was like, you knew,
you know that was the moment where Emily was like,
okay, bitch.
She's like, I can't hide it anymore.
She was like, let's play this game.
She's like, you know what I find amusing?
I loved it.
I loved the entire like back and forth.
But it all started with this moment right here

(01:18:28):
when all three of them stop in their tracks
when Lorelai's like, stop.
You're not going, you're not going back out
to paint your moonscape.
You're not going to work
and you're not going back to school.
We are gonna sit our asses down and talk about it.
And boom, the scene starts.
She gagged them.
She gagged them.
They all stopped right in their tracks
and like they sit down

(01:18:49):
and the camera work in the scene is just everything.
It is like, it's jarring.
But it's exactly how it feels
when your whole family is fighting in front of you.
Yeah.
And she's like, Emily's like, that is not the point.
That is simply not the point.
Grandma, it is the point, blah, blah, blah.
I was like.
And then Richard raising his voice.
Oh my God.
When, when, I was scared and horny.
If you were scared and horny, raise your hand.

(01:19:10):
I loved the part where I'm raising both of my hands
because of Emily screaming.
And she's like, I love doing- I didn't hear you
throwing yourself in front of the-
Throwing yourself in front of the decorators.
They were putting up your very expensive wallpaper.
When he was like, don't raise your voice
at your grandmother.
I was like, oh my God, this is so reminiscent.

(01:19:32):
I loved the part where he was like,
and then you left with no notice by the way.
And Emily is like, yeah.
And you left two strange boys in our house.
And she's like, and we're missing two picture frames,
by the way.
And she's like, they did not steal your picture frames.
He's like, don't raise your voice at your grandma.
And she's like-
Oh, it's so good.
She's like, I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry, grandma and grandpa.

(01:19:52):
And he's like, and she's like, oh, Richard,
I'm so honored and flattered and touched.
Don't you feel touched?
And he's like, oh, I've never been more touched
in all my life.
Oh my God.
It's also like, I love that Rory points out
because I know you've probably felt this way too.
When it's like you're damned if you do
and you're damned if you don't with your family.
Where they're like, well, you're not apologizing.
And you're like, I am apologizing.

(01:20:13):
And then, but then the apology isn't good enough.
And it's just, my parents would do that to me.
When I would get into fights with them or do something.
And I would be like, I'm sorry.
And they would be like, you're just saying that to say that.
And it's like, well, what the fuck do you want from me then?
Yeah, like, okay, I'm saying sorry now.
And that's not what you want anymore.
Like you were begging me to say sorry 10 minutes ago.
So my dad would do this thing.

(01:20:34):
So anytime, my mom and I would fight all the time.
We still do.
Love her though.
Where he would be like, when she's yelling at you,
just be like, I know.
Just say that you know what she means
because I know you do.
And I was like, okay.
So then I would do that to both of them.
And I'd be like, I know, I know you're right.
I know.
And they're like, why are you just yesing us to death?

(01:20:54):
And I'm like, what the fuck do you want?
Do you want me to argue?
Cause then I get yelled at for that too.
It just feels like, I know exactly how Rory feels
in that situation, even though she was wrong.
Objectively, she was wrong.
But like, it's so annoying.
She's so right.
She's right.
Yeah.

(01:21:15):
And then Lorelai comes to her defense
and she's like, mom, you are overreacting.
Cause I remember a woman who tried to buy a plane
when her daughter moved out of the house.
And Emily's-
That was so fucking funny.
Emily's eyes start darting back and forth
and she denies it.
She's like, I did not buy, I did not try to buy a plane.
I was simply looking at a plane.
There's not the same thing.
I was time sharing.

(01:21:35):
Yeah, I was interested in potentially time sharing it.
I mean, they literally take a break to eat the sorbet,
which is just fucking hilarious.
And it's so funny.
But it's exactly how it feels too when it's like-
The fight is over and everything has been said
that needed to be said pretty much.
But the fight isn't over.
It's not completely over.
The fight is taking a brief intermission

(01:21:57):
and we're gonna be very cordial
and we're gonna be genuinely nice to each other.
And then start fighting in 10 minutes.
Yeah, we're like still mad at each other,
at the same time, it's like, okay,
we talked about a lot of it, honestly,
like what are you gonna do?
Fuck in, time for dessert, type shit.
And then-
It's such a funny scene and it just keeps going.
So then right immediately after it,

(01:22:17):
it cuts to Lorelai and Roy are sitting at the table
and we just hear Emily and Richard screaming at each other.
And this is the part of the scene that I love the most.
Yeah, me too.
You can't see them, you can only hear them,
but you know what the fuck they looked like.
He's towering over her.
She's standing below him, but she's yelling in his face.
He's like, she's like, I didn't buy it,
I was looking at it and he's like,
well, what were you doing looking at a plane?

(01:22:39):
And she's like, I can look at a plane
if I wanna look at a plane.
I, when I tell you-
She's crazy.
She's iconic, I love everything about her.
I love them, I love them both so much,
they are so crazy together.
And then Emily cuts to the four of them
sitting in the living room like drunk off their asses
probably or like at least Richard is, he looks shitfaced.

(01:23:01):
His tie is undone, his shirt is a little unbuttoned.
Emily's hair is looking unkempt
and I'm pretty sure her shoes are off.
And they're all drinking and having a jolly good time
making fun of Logan's mom, Shira.
I love it.
The scene is so fun.
I think this might be my favorite scene in the whole episode.
It's really good.
And she's like, I forget what Emily calls her, but-

(01:23:24):
A cocktail waitress.
A cocktail waitress and Lorela is like,
that's my mother's version of the sea word.
And it tickles Richard.
He starts, he is falling out of his seat.
He's literally giggling.
He is trashed.
He's trashed.
And then it cuts to Rory and Emily fighting over the D.A.R.
which is the most random part of this fight.

(01:23:45):
Like that has no, it's not important at all.
It's so weird, but it is so funny.
Cause it's truly like at that point in the fight
when you're just bringing up anything.
Yeah, you're just bringing up shit that bothers you.
And then again, similarly Lorela and Emily
ended the fight by fighting about why Lorela
didn't want to get married when she was 16.
It all comes back to the original bullshit.
Before that, when Emily and Rory are fighting,

(01:24:09):
Richard asks how Luke is and she just goes, he has a kid.
He's a kid.
No context, no nothing.
Richard does not ask a follow-up.
Nothing at all.
He just keeps-
And then they fight about Lorela not marrying Christopher.
And it's like, it always comes back to the original drama.
You know what I mean?
Of course.
Like in fights like that.
It has to.
In fights like that, it always comes back to the original drama.

(01:24:30):
That somebody has it let go of.
It always does.
Somebody has not let go of it.
My mom and I can get into a fight about literally anything
and it'll come back to something from 10 years ago.
Every time.
Every time, without fail.
But, and yeah, and then the episode closes on
Lorela and Rory literally outside the house
being like, I guess Friday night dinners are back
and that's how it ends.
And the next episode opens on a Friday night dinner,

(01:24:51):
which I thought was-
It's such a good end of this episode.
This episode picks up steam so fast like in the second half.
I agree.
It's really amazing.
I thought it was a great episode, a very underrated episode.
Nobody really talks about it that much, but it just shows-
Yeah, I genuinely agree with you on that.
I think this is the first time you've used the word underrated correctly.

(01:25:12):
Oh my God, shut up.
But I think what I love about it so much is just the
on-stream chemistry between these four people that-
It feels familiar.
It feels like a family.
It feels so genuine.
By now it really does.
It doesn't feel fake or forced and the slightest.
It feels like a real family and they were feeding off each other
in a delicious way.

(01:25:32):
That's what makes it one of my favorite episodes.
Yeah, it's just like exciting to watch.
I love it.
I love it.
I agree.
I'm so glad you picked this episode.
I had such a fun time watching it.
I love it.
Awesome.
All right, so for next week, what are we watching?
Is next week the finale?
No, we have one more before that.
Next week, season two, episode 10, my only note is Jess with a heart.

(01:25:54):
Oh, maybe it's the episode where Jess comes to town.
I think it might be.
It's obviously has something to do with Jess.
This is going to be our first real big Jess conversation, I think.
My king.
My favorite of her boyfriends.
I'm very excited to talk about it.
I'm excited too.
Please watch before next week if you would like to.
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(01:26:38):
Oh my god, he's online.
Can he see me?
What the hell is she talking about?
Who's this?
Strike three two, Angelina please.
No, she died.

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