The Age Old Question: Can Women Have Sex Like Men? - Sex and the City S1 E1

We are officially back with Season 4! And baby this time we're digging into one of our absolute favorite comfort shows: Sex and The City! We talk about who our favorite characters are, who's a Carrie and who's a Samantha, and some longer discussions about how the characters shift over time. Plus some speculation on how much Carrie makes for her column.

(Also whoopsie, sorry if Trev's audio is a bit echoey this week! New office set up is taking some time!)

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hello! Hello!

(00:02):
So what, no fucking ziti now?
Don't make me laugh.
Hi, welcome to you know that episode. I'm Victoria.
And I'm Trev. We're two friends who watch too much TV.
We break down iconic episodes of good shows.
And bad.
And explain why we feel the way we do.
Today we're talking about season one, episode one of Sex and the City, titled Sex and the City, which aired on June 6, 1998.

(00:25):
I was so happy watching this episode.
Me too, honestly. I had a smile on my face and start to finish.
And like, we could get into our relationship with Sex and the City.
This is like one of my ultimate comfort shows.
Me too. And we kind of talked about it a little while ago, maybe a couple weeks ago.

(00:47):
Of just like, most people put on like friends or the office or like Seinfeld, which like, sometimes I put those shows on too.
Like usually if I'm like having a glass of wine and folding laundry or just like bored on a rainy day or like in bed sick, I'm putting this on more often than not.
100%. I just love watching. It just makes me so happy. I love these characters so much.

(01:13):
Me too. And I love the drama. I love the comedy. I love the like, I love, I like that it's relationship heavy, honestly.
Sometimes other shows like focus too much on like just other stuff, random stuff that doesn't really matter as much.
But like seeing people in relationships, whether they're like regular platonic friendships or just like personal relationships, sexual relationships, like it just, it's much more compelling to me.

(01:41):
And I think that's why this show just has such a stronghold on me.
I agree. I think you and I are also like, we're, when we're watching something, we're much more character driven.
Yeah.
Then like plot driven a lot of the time. Like that's what really gets us into something, which is why I think we love shows like Grey's Anatomy and Gilmore Girls where it's like, it's about the characters.

(02:03):
Exactly.
And Sex and the City slots in with that like so well.
Perfectly because they, the character building and the show is so strong like these characters.
I mean, I felt like honestly, anybody could just come into this show for the very first time, watch this pilot and get an understanding of who they are.
100% perfect sense of each character.
I have watched this single episode, this pilot episode too many times to count both like as parts of rewatch, like obviously every time I rewatch the show, I watch the pilot.

(02:33):
Yeah.
But even just generally, I'll be like, let me just, I'll just put this on.
Yeah, I'll just pop it on.
And it's like, every single time I watch it, I kept something slightly different or like I pay attention to something different when that just comes from rewatching the same show or episode of the show too many times.
But at the same time, like, there's certain things that I watched that I'm like, that was perfectly set up or like that was the perfect way that they could have shown us that.

(02:59):
And, oh God, I think the strongest character building in this pilot is definitely Samantha and Charlotte.
Yes.
And I'm curious what you think.
I agree, I think.
I think we get a good sense of Carrie.
For sure.
Good.
A good sense, but she's more amorphous than the rest.

(03:22):
Like she changes the most.
Yeah, she has complexities.
I would say from episode to episode.
Yeah, where the rest of them are more just archetypes.
Yeah.
Miranda is like not a character in this episode.
Miranda, you know what frustrates me about Miranda is that in this episode in particular, she's set up to be this like harsh cold business woman type.

(03:45):
Yeah.
And like later on, obviously we get to her insecurities and we understand she's actually a deeply vulnerable person.
Yeah.
When she feels like she can be with a certain person.
Totally.
But like we don't get that in this episode.
No.
She's just a very snarky, harsh, cold business executive.
And she just doesn't seem fun.

(04:06):
Not at all.
We're like, what is she doing with these women?
We're like, she does not seem to fit with them at all.
Even Charlotte is so of her set in her ways and we see that throughout the episode.
I agree.
But we get a good sense that she's like an engaging person to be around and like fun where Miranda is just like, she's, I'm confused about what she's necessarily bringing to the table in the first episode because she's so.

(04:30):
Vitriolic.
Yeah.
Like there's like a toxic hate to her.
She hates her.
That doesn't seem like it'd be fun to go out and get drinks with.
Where even Samantha is like, she's fun, again, set in her ways.
Right.
And but we again, we get a full well, she's a well rounded character.
I think I'm good trial and this is like just how I feel about the whole show.

(04:53):
I think Kamika Charles, the best actress of the four of them.
Yeah.
Honestly, she, she really nailed her character.
Perfectly to a T.
There's not a single episode that I can think of where I was like, I'm not sure about that delivery or like, she seemed kind of off here.

(05:15):
She feels out of character or like out of step with something she would do.
I always Samantha Jones, but I will say all the, I will say this too, though, part of that is the writing and at this current stage in time with the writers guild strike, we need to commend the writers.
Thank God for them.
Thank God for them.
We would not have Samantha Jones without it.
It's been so exciting to see so many so much on screen personality, like.

(05:40):
Yeah.
Standing with them.
Like I know that Lisa and Walter clip is going like super viral.
Mother.
And all of the like Jay Leno was handing stuff out at picket lines and being supportive and all the people from hacks were there except for Jean, but Jean just had heart surgery.
Yeah.
She's a good reason.
Yeah.
But no, it's been really exciting to see people standing in solidarity and like the other people from.

(06:02):
Yeah.
But yeah, so like it's a huge, it's a huge thing to the writer or to the writers of this show.
And like, I think this episode is written by Darren star and like a lot of them are.
Most episodes are either Darren star or like Michael Patrick King.
Yeah.
Like randomly it'll be someone else, but it's.
Frankly, they nailed it.
Yeah, it was just perfect from start to finish.

(06:25):
I really have very few notes on this show.
We'll get into what my notes, my few notes are.
Yes.
Not for the pilot, but just in general about the show, like I can obviously criticize it.
I don't have as much critique as maybe a show like graze or Glee where it's like, yeah.
Okay, sometimes they do things that rub me the wrong way or just don't sit well with me as a fan of the show.
But for Sex and the City is very few and far between.

(06:46):
Because I think another thing that we really get in Sex and the City that we don't necessarily get with those other shows that we've done in the past,
even Gilmore Girls, is I don't think any of these characters are trying to be quote unquote good people.
Yeah, they're just who they are.
They're just realistic people.

(07:07):
Agreed.
They're just stupid shit.
They cheat.
They're rude.
They fight with their friends.
It all feels so real.
And it's not even that I would say unapologetic because that's not true.
Like there are moments where they do shitty things and then they're like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that.
And it just makes for such good TV, you know?

(07:29):
We don't want to see these characters be perfect.
We want to like, we want to feel them suffer a little bit and go through real things that we've gone through and do shit that we've gone through.
Honestly, when I started to get old enough to understand Carrie.
Oh yeah, as I've gotten older.
I truly, truly, truly feel so much like, I feel like she's a kindred spirit.

(07:56):
I agree.
I think that one of the reasons that Carrie has been such an enduring protagonist, where you watch, you look at any list or any time people talk about TV, Carrie Bradshaw comes up.
She's an iconic main character.
She really is.
And I usually hate the main characters of a show.
I usually do.

(08:17):
She is the ick girl of main characters.
And the reason she's so intriguing and enduring is because she's not likable a lot of the time.
Yeah, most people hate her.
She's not like, and even when she's doing something stupid or unlikable, you're kind of still on her side.
Honestly, people have been talking about her on TikTok lately.

(08:39):
And I, you know me, I always scroll through the comments of a TikTok or a YouTube video.
I'm always in a comment section.
Yeah, that's true.
And one thing that like a lot of the TikTokers are always saying about her is like, the older I got, the more I realized Carrie is absolutely the problem.
Carrie sucks.
I hate Carrie.
Carrie this, Carrie that.
And it's like, she was never meant to be like this perfect character who you love.

(09:05):
She's not the good character.
I love her because I understand her, but like, that's not going to be the case.
My favorite, I relate to Carrie in not any of her good traits.
Yeah.
I relate to Carrie because it's like, oh, you know what?
She would, she does, when she does something selfish, I can see myself doing it.
Yeah.
Or like, I understand where she's coming from or I, or I like, listen to her say something and I'm like, I've had that exact same thought.

(09:29):
And she is so fucked up for thinking that.
And so was I.
But honestly, that was real.
That was real.
She's just confident.
She's so confident in herself that she just says it or does it.
She, she doesn't like, she doesn't hold back for the sake of other people.
I would say nine times out of 10.
I mean, obviously there are scenarios where like, these things aren't 100%.

(09:51):
But she's so, she puts herself first in a lot of ways that I find it endearing, even if I don't agree with.
She's very true to herself.
Yes.
And when she, when she feels something, she lets herself feel it 99% of the time.
And I would not say that she's outspoken.
Like I would say Samantha is outspoken.

(10:13):
And I would say me, I would say Miranda is outspoken.
Carrie is a little bit more diplomatic.
She has more, she has more sides to her than the rest of the characters do at the beginning at least.
We get that a lot in her voiceovers.
Like if you listen to some of the shit Carrie says in her voiceovers, she'll say something in the scene and then in the voiceover, she'll be like, but I didn't.

(10:36):
I really didn't at all.
I went home and cried about it that night.
Yeah.
Or like, some shit like that, you know, she, she kind of.
Relatable.
Yeah.
That's why people, like, that's why people like watching the show is because she's relatable.
Even if you hate her, you're like, oh, I get it.
I think, I think hating Carrie is like passe.
Hating Carrie is a red flag for me.

(10:57):
If you hate Carrie, you're definitely not going to like me.
So just don't interact with me.
Because I just don't think she's a, I think she's a selfish person.
And I think she's a stupid person at times, but I don't see Malice in her actions.
Yeah, I think she's just a normal human being who fucking makes mistakes and lets her heart.
This is the kind of shit that happens when you let your heart guide you.

(11:18):
She's, yeah, she's very much like anti.
Anti-intellectual.
A lot of the time.
A lot of the time, but also I think like looking at the newer people, the newer, the younger
generation watching Sex in the City.
She is like the antithesis of what Gen Z wants in a protagonist.
Yeah.
She's so sex forward.
She's so like in the-

(11:40):
She serves cunt.
Honestly, if we're going to use their lingo, we have to say that.
She serves cunt.
Carrie walks around, she even did it.
And this is the first episode on TV where a woman spills the contents of her purse.
A man picks it up for her and hands her like 70 condoms.
It's fucking iconic.
And in this episode-
It's fucking iconic.

(12:01):
And she's a mess.
She's a hot mess.
She's trash.
She is literally trashy.
And we all have these multitudes and these like conflicting ideas because she is like-
And we'll get into the episode at like eventually.
Where she is having sex with this guy that's treated her like shit in the past and she's
doing it just for doing it.
And then when he is like, oh my God, finally we're on the same page, she changes her mind.

(12:25):
She feels differently about it.
She's like, ew, fuck that.
He's actually happy that I treated him like shit?
Forget it.
I'm not doing that again.
I think there's a critique of Carrie a lot of the time is that she doesn't have the growth
that people expect of her and I think that is 100% inaccurate.
I think Carrie grows a lot throughout the series.
I think she just doesn't always-

(12:47):
What is the way I'm looking for her?
She grows, she changes, she gains more self-respect for-
Listen, this is what it is.
She has core aspects of her identity and personality that are never going to change.
She shows growth in some areas and not in others and the parts where she doesn't grow
make people mad.
But honestly-
I love her for that.

(13:09):
This is going to cause a fight.
Between us?
No, just in general with the listeners because people are going to be like, she was deeply
wrong for that but this is just my opinion.
I don't think that people are as capable of change as other people want them to be.
I agree.
I think people re- and the minute you start wanting to change someone-
You don't love them.

(13:30):
You don't love them and not only that-
Unless they're like-
I would say-
Wait, but-
I think there are scenarios with that where it's like wanting to change someone for the
better when they're like hurting themselves or something like that.
That's not what we're talking about.
That's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about-
If there's a core part of somebody's personality, let's just use like big mouth as an example
because I have a big mouth.

(13:50):
Say.
I have a big mouth.
I speak what is on my mind.
I say what's on my mind.
I rarely, rarely ever hold back for the sake of protecting someone else's feelings.
Sometimes I'll do it but only for like-
Because it would be disingenuous.
My grandma or like my sisters or like somebody like that where it's like I don't really feel

(14:11):
the need to hurt this person right now so I'm just gonna hold what I'm saying.
I'm just gonna not say that.
But like for the most part if it's like low stakes I'll just let shit fly.
Oh yeah.
If somebody wanted to change that about me they couldn't.
Genuinely.
And if you try to change that about me then you don't love me for who I am because that's

(14:34):
never gonna change.
I agree and I think that's a big thing that we see in Kari and Big's relationship.
Yes.
Oh my god.
She wants her to be the perfect woman and she so is not.
She wants him to change too.
Yeah.
The whole crux of their relationship is how much they love each other but they want the
other to change for them.

(14:54):
Which is just like.
And I would say that something we see in this show specifically we don't ever see Charlotte
and Harry have that.
Although you know what's weird I was literally thinking this the other day.
Big wants Charlotte as a voice.
He wants Kari to be like Charlotte.

(15:15):
And it's also like yeah like Charlotte yeah she converts to Judaism and everything like
that but that's not a fundamental to her personality.
Kari loves her no matter what.
It's a cultural thing.
That's totally different.
And also she did that of her own accord.
He never asked her to do it.
And he in fact tried to break up over it because he was like this can never go anywhere because
you're not Jewish and I would never want to make you do that.

(15:36):
Yeah he didn't want her to give something up for herself because she was like what's
Protestant.
There's a huge difference.
Yeah she was a Protestant.
There's a huge difference between wanting somebody to change and not forcing them.
And expecting them to.
And expecting them to.
And also there's a huge difference between one person wanting that change and the other
person doing it because they want them to.
Versus doing it because they personally want to.

(15:59):
And I think about that a lot in the context of my own relationship of like sure we might
make sacrifices for each other and other people might be like who sacrifices that's a huge
red flag.
You should never have to make sacrifices for the person you love.
But it's like.
Which I don't agree with at all.
I don't agree with that especially if the other person is not asking me to do it.
I'm just doing it because I truly love them and I want to.
But you know it would be beneficial.

(16:21):
I think that if you truly love someone the stuff that they would ask you to change you
realize you need to change it yourself.
And you know it's a good example of that.
I think Steve and Miranda are a good example of that.
I don't know though because Miranda is always so critical of Steve.
The more I think about their relationship.
But I would say that she I would say Steve softens her.

(16:45):
Yeah but she never returns the favor.
Yeah like she's never accepting of Steve's faults or Steve's personality quirks.
In fact like most of the stuff that Steve does bothers her in their relationship.
She's just such a snarky bitch always complaining about everything.
But I'm even.

(17:06):
To be clear this is not a Miranda hate podcast.
I'm just saying in the context of their relationship I really don't see her as compromising at all.
No but I think it's I don't think it's compromising.
I think she learns.
I don't know what I'm trying to say.
I know what I'm thinking but I don't know how to say it.

(17:26):
Like I think are you saying that Steve makes more room for Miranda.
Yes I think he understands that she's cold or like yes.
She is a certain way.
Steve kind of fluxes and flows with Miranda because he knows she's more like steadfast
in her ways and they love each other at the end of the day.
Obviously they stay together for a long time until it and just like that.

(17:50):
But like I think they I think they do have this love for who they are even though Miranda
doesn't necessarily she might love Steve but she may not like Steve all the time.
Yeah I think is a which is real.
I mean that's interesting.
Yeah but yeah I don't know.
Let's jump into the episode.

(18:10):
My first question for you is how many times do you think you've done a full and complete
rewatch of the show.
Not like casual viewing but start to finish.
Well since I would say I've watched it at least once a year.
Start to finish.
Probably since like 2018.

(18:34):
Okay so like so like five full watches.
And then I watched so my mom and my godmother would watch it together when I was a baby.
And I remember like being little and watching like season five with them because I would
just be up.
Okay wow.

(18:54):
Yeah and I would just be hanging out.
My family never had HBO growing up.
So like I didn't watch most prestige TV shows until I was significantly older.
Yeah which is common.
Yeah I would say that I have watched it like between five and ten times.
Somewhere around there.
Yeah I also I didn't really watch it watch it until I was in high school because I would

(19:19):
watch it on the reruns on E all the time.
And then eventually I just like torrented the whole thing.
As one does.
Yeah in like junior year or something like that.
And then I watched it from start to finish.
And I was like wow this is amazing.
And then I would watch random episodes here and there just like comfort episodes and stuff

(19:40):
like that.
Definitely yeah I think I definitely used to catch them on E randomly and like my mom
always loves the show.
But like again we never had HBO so I really used to only catch episodes here and there
until finally I was like interested in watching it and got HBO to try and watch it.
But like to this day when I hear the HBO sound.

(20:00):
I think of Sex and the City.
Me too.
I think of Sex and the City first.
Sometimes I'll think of the Sopranos but usually of Sex and the City.
I think Sex and the City.
That was my first HBO show that I watched.
Yeah mine too.
I yeah I just I was probably seen at like seven times through.
But I've probably seen certain episodes like.
Hundreds of times.
Yeah easy.

(20:21):
Like yeah.
Because there are certain episodes that just are always we're always on TV growing up.
The one where Carrie finally breaks up with Big and smokes a cigarette and she's like was
I really in love with him or was I just in love with the exquisite idea of getting something
so unattainable.
And even like.
Oh my god.
I just I love this show.
I do.
It's so iconic.

(20:41):
Also watching the edited for TV episodes first and then going into watching the full
original episodes.
True.
Was crazy.
Yeah it was like holy shit.
It's like realizing how much you missed.
Yeah I like genuinely didn't expect it to be so explicit.
Yeah.

(21:02):
And I love it.
I loved it.
I loved it too.
It's incredible.
And I love the movies.
We love the movies.
And I love it just like that.
This is a safe space for all Sex and the City content.
It really is.
Like it's so silly but I fucking it's just it works for me every time.
Me too.
The vision of the opening credits and theme song.

(21:23):
I will say this.
They definitely knew exactly what they had from the very first episode and they let us
know that like no show has ever had their shit this figured out from episode one.
And they never strayed from the course.
I was reading something and it was Sarah Jessica Parker hated the first episode.
Oh my god what.
She hated the first episode and they filmed it.

(21:45):
I'm shocked.
And then aired a year later and in between that like when it got picked up she tried
to get out of it.
Oh my god.
She hated it that much.
She was like I don't want to do this.
I hated it.
She hated the clothes.
She hated her hair.
Well I hated her hair too.
Yes.
She looks better blonde.
In my opinion.
And she just like tried to get out of it.
Definitely but I also just didn't like the short hair.

(22:06):
Yeah.
Like when you have curly hair you can't go too short because you start to look frizzed
out.
Yes.
And then she sat down with Darren Star and gave like all her critiques and they took
a lot of that and like put it into the show.
Thank god.
Which is why like episode one to two she looks so different.
Also the apartment in the first episode is so different.

(22:26):
I think you know what I think she might have picked up on which is something you and I
were just talking about which is really funny.
I think that Carrie is very trashy in the first episode.
Yeah.
I kind of like it.
I kind of like it too.
I love when she's kind of funny.
One of my favorite texts that I've ever sent you is when you were texting me about Carrie
Bradshaw and I said Carrie Bradshaw is white trash.
She totally is.

(22:46):
Absolutely.
I think it's our banner on Twitter right now.
It's our banner on Twitter and it probably always will be because you know what?
That text is eternal.
It's the most true thing that we've ever said.
Did you ever watch the Carrie Diaries?
No.
I didn't either.
Because that's.
That's the one sex in the city content I haven't watched weirdly enough.
I just didn't need it.

(23:07):
I just feel like I don't want to know Carrie when she's younger.
No.
I like when she's kind of.
I don't want to.
It's not fun.
This isn't a character that seems like she would be interesting as a teenager.
I would love to see Samantha as a teenager.
Yeah.
I also love that we're like one of my favorite parts of this episode and like we'll get to
it is when they are all sitting like we're just dropped in.

(23:31):
Yeah.
It feels like the world feels so lived in.
Their friendship has already existed way before we ever joined.
They're all like their mid 30s.
Yeah.
I.
Yeah.
I.
I love the opening.
I love the little scoochy dress.
Me too.
Also, do you know some crazy fun fact?
I mean not fun fact, but interesting tidbit about the opening.

(23:53):
What?
Up until season four, episode 12, the opening shows the Twin Towers.
Oh, I didn't catch that.
And then after 9-11, which is I think season four was airing when that happened.
They re-edited the opening so that instead of the Twin Towers in those shots, it shows
the Empire State Building.

(24:14):
Oh my God.
I never caught that.
Yeah.
I still like that on HBO right now.
Yeah.
So the first episode like the first four seasons has the Twin Tower shots.
Wow.
And then there's this old opening instead of going back and switching it to.
Which I'm glad they did.
I'm glad they did too.
That would have been weird.
Didn't friends do something similar?
Something similar.
I don't remember.
I don't know the specifics on it, but they definitely did something subtle.

(24:36):
But yeah, Sex and City opening, they have the Twin Towers in the opening and they had
to like fix it.
Wow.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Okay.
So yeah, opening sequence was perfect.
The girl in the car full of Louis Vuitton luggage.
I love the fake out.
They make us think this is going to be our main character.
Yeah.

(24:57):
And she's very chic.
She's very chic.
And the guy is not even that attractive, but he made a cool 2 million a year.
So I was going to say, I have to note that the men are so ugly.
I agree.
And this is the thing people talk about online all the time is that Sex and the City characters
will be like, oh my God, he's the sexiest man in all of New York.
And then you show someone who's like, the worst looking man you can see in a Walmart.

(25:21):
He looks like a math teacher.
Yeah.
And like not in a sexy way.
He does not look like a sexy business attractive guy.
No.
And it is always so funny.
It is hilarious.
Because I don't think Big is that sexy.
That sexy, he's not sexy at all.
Yeah.
The only thing he really, I don't think so either.
I mean, okay.
I think he's charming.
Yeah, he has a charm.
And that chemistry is crazy.

(25:42):
Yeah.
But I don't find him sexy.
Me either.
So wait, back to the business guy.
So two million a year, that's $4.6 million today per year.
So she's wearing this cute red dress.
She goes to the gallery opening.
She kind of looks like Portia DeRossi a little.
She does.

(26:04):
Yeah, she really does.
It's the skinny blonde 90s of it all.
So she 90s skinniness was on another fucking level.
Like some of these women, and this is not a body shaming moment.
I'm just pointing this out.
Some of the skinniest women I've ever seen on TV.

(26:25):
Even Carrie in certain episodes is like nuts.
Yeah.
So they meet at the gallery opening and he's like, ooh, do you like it?
And I was immediately brought back to Bettantina because they met in the gallery.
Oh, Bettantina.
But the downward spiral of this relationship told us everything we needed to know about

(26:46):
what kind of journalist Carrie is.
Because we hear this voice over, right?
And we're like, what is this removed voice that we're hearing during this scene?
Like very calm, cool.
Yeah, yeah.
But then the rain comes pouring down and she's angry and there's lightning flashing
and just the drama of it all, the gravitas of it all, told us everything we needed to

(27:06):
know about what this show is going to be about.
It's not going to be the picture of a perfect relationship over and over again.
It's going to be talking about real-ass shit that happens to women in the 90s living in
New York.
Yes.
Single woman.
It's so open.
It's very open.
So we see Carrie and she, we finally see our protagonist and she's talking to the girl

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that we see in the opening scene and she snubs out her cigarette and she just has this messy
curly hair and a ruby ring on her finger.
Like I want to be friends with this girl.
This girl is so sexy.
She's smoking inside.
It's effortless.
She's like a perfect combination of trashy and sexy and I think that's what I love the

(27:56):
most about her.
Yeah.
It's like.
She's an it girl.
Yeah, she's an it girl.
She does what she wants.
This smoking inside, I am not a smoker.
Anytime I see someone smoking inside in like a movie or TV show, it just is like, it feels
like the chicest thing in the world to me.
That is literally.
There are some places in the world where that's still acceptable.

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I just went to Argentina for Christmas last year and everyone was acting like it was the
90s.
I mean, inside, outside.
Anywhere you go, you're allowed to smoke pretty much.
I love it.
Light one up.
I start smoking now.
You're smoking, Errah.
Honestly, I would look good.

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Anybody looks good holding a cigarette.
It is true.
It's so crazy.
I don't get it when people say that smoking is ugly.
Like that is the furthest thing from the truth.
Say what you want about smoking.
It's unhealthy.
It kills people.
It's bad.
It smells bad.
It makes your fingers smell bad.
It makes you look ugly.
It makes your clothes smell bad.
Say anything you want, but don't say it isn't fucking sexy.
I'd rather watch someone smoke a cigarette than take a hit off of a.

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Yeah, you agreed.
Um, okay.
So Kerry's typing welcome to the age of uninnocence.
Cupid has flown the co-op.
Okay.
We're in the nineties.
Women hate men.
That is one of the funniest lines in the show.
Cupid has flown the co-op.
Like tattoo that on my fucking face.
Right?
Um, I need that on a t-shirt.
Yeah.

(29:22):
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
You should make merch.
Ready when you are.
Um, so I personally, and this might be controversial, or maybe, well, I'm just gonna say it.
I don't like when Kerry does the look into cameras from season one.
Oh really?
I love it.
Oh my god, really?
I don't know.
I think it's so weird.

(29:44):
I kind of don't like it, but she looks very gorgina.
Like she looks hot.
Oh, stunning.
I like the- Maybe I should go blonde.
Maybe?
You have a similar hair texture to her.
I think every time I watch the show, all I think is maybe I should go blonde.
But it's also like think about when Kerry goes brunette in the movie.
It doesn't work.
Yeah.

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I think if you got the right blonde, it would look good.
Yeah.
But it would take some testing.
It would be a messy blonde.
Yeah, it would have to be like- It's too much commitment.
It's a lot.
It's a lot.
Stop, keep this crazy.
I can't do it.
I mean, what am I, Gwen Stefani, dyeing my hair every two weeks?
Oh my god.
But- Praying for her.
Um, I, yeah, I just, I love, I like the fourth wall breaking.

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It is a weird, it is weird.
They have it, and then they just drop it out of nowhere.
I hope, I wonder if that's one of the things that she provided feedback on.
Maybe.
She's like, what is this whole thing with like, me looking into the camera?
I would rather personally just, um, do the voiceovers.
I think the first season is much more, not that the rest of the series isn't, but the

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first season especially is really focused on her column.
And like the column is a good lens for each episode.
Like obviously it's a storytelling technique.
Like, that's how it works.
But um, as the series goes on, it becomes less and less relevant, and less of a storytelling
device, and kind of just secondary, and it becomes, the show just becomes more of a melodrama.

(31:11):
Yeah.
So I think the fourth wall breaking makes sense with the lens of the column.
You know what I think?
I think also the thing is, we see her typing a lot in the first season.
Like we see her working on the column, talking about the column.
We see her like, the column becomes like a background character in the later seasons,

(31:34):
or like she mentions it from time to time, but really it becomes much more about like
the future and the later seasons.
And then eventually she writes the book, she works for Vogue.
Yeah.
And so like she evolves out of it.
And so in the beginning, it's like everything is about her column because like that's all
she's doing.
That's all she really is.
What?
How, what is she getting paid per word?
Oh my God, I think I've seen that before.
I think somebody has actually posted an estimate of what she would have gotten in the 90s.

(31:58):
And somebody else was like, okay, so the Minolos and all the like bougie ass purchases is not
adding up.
But she's still broke is the thing.
Like she still has crazy credit card debt and like.
Yeah.
There are a couple of times where we see her put purchases on a credit card or tell the

(32:20):
cashier to split it between a couple of cards.
Yeah.
I feel like I remember her doing that.
I don't know the exact number.
But I'm sure it's not much because it was the 90s.
I'm googling.
And she also wrote for the New York Star, which is basically the equivalent of New York Post.
Yeah.
It's like a trash rag.
It's not like anything high end.
It's not like New York Times level writing, you know, it's like rag.

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Anyway, so then we start, Carrie starts introducing us to a bunch of these different bachelors
that she knows that she's interviewed to kind of talk about why this might have happened
to the girl we see in the introduction who gets dumped by her boyfriend.
And the one guy he's getting serious with the guy who plays Capote Duncan.

(33:07):
He's so fucking hot.
Oh my God, you texted that to me and I was like, oh my God, you would like the toxic
ass because I recently did started a rewatch like months ago and I was texting you about
it.
Yeah.
And I was watching and I just watched the episode with Tony and we were both like, God damn,
he's hot.
Oh my God.
He kind of has like a thick looking head.

(33:28):
Yeah.
He reminds me of the Emperor's New Truth.
Yeah, which is why he's hot.
Okay, wait, wait, wait.
I googled Carrie Bradshaw Sally.
Okay.
But it's not actually, but in an interview with the New Yorker published Wednesday,
Candice Bushnell, the real life columnist who inspired the cultural icon, revealed that
she made $5,000 a month pending a column for Vogue in the 90s.

(33:49):
Okay.
That makes sense.
That's actually a lot for the 90s.
Yeah.
A month?
A month.
Wait.
The Observer paid less, but I could afford that because of Vogue.
I mean, there was a time that writers were getting a Vanity Fair contract for six pieces
and $250,000 a year.
People valued writing.
It wasn't considered something everyone can do now because of the computer.
Everyone has to do it.

(34:10):
So we think anyone can do it.
Damn.
She's, she began writing her second city column for the New Yorker Observer in 94,
spawning a book, the series, two films, all that.
So she said the Observer paid less, so she was probably making, so with Vogue and, so
let's say, even if she made two grand a month, writing a column.

(34:33):
It's not much.
It's not much, but in the 90s.
How is she making ends meet?
Like Jimmy, like, okay, Jimmy Choo's cost like $450 a pair.
Well, yeah.
Well, the thing is she's making that money.
If she was good with money, she would be able to live really well.
She was not good with money at all.
Yeah.
That's why we see her struggling, because it's like, yeah, her apartment's probably
ranked controlled.
She's eating Chinese every fucking week.

(34:55):
She doesn't cook.
She doesn't cook.
She, there's sweaters in the stove.
So it's like, if she's-
You know, she's kind of reminds me of Lorelai Gilmore in some ways.
Oh yeah, just indulgent.
Oh, way indulgent.
But I think, you know why that is?
Why?
Well, we've determined that Lorelai is a tourist.
Yes.
And Lorelai is, for that, like Lorelai has the like worker B aspect, because she's an

(35:21):
earth sign.
I think Carrie is a Libra.
I was just gonna say, I agree with you on that.
And tourists in Libra are known to be like sisterly in the way that they're like both
very indulgent.
The only difference is that tourists is more like hardworking than a Libra.
They're indulgent, but they can afford to be that way versus a Libra is just like, I'm

(35:42):
indulgent and I don't care about that.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Like, mostly, we're just talking about money or like worrying about finances is like-
I'm looking at ScreenRant and they say she's a Libra son and tourist moon.
Oh my God!
Which honestly, track, she is, she's so stubborn, she's so stylish, she's so like set in her

(36:06):
ways.
But she's usually the mediator between all of her friends.
She's the one who strikes balance between trying to find love and have fun and like have
it all.
And she also is super indecisive about-
Yes.
Like, especially when it comes to love, which I have a note about that later.

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But okay, let's talk about the bachelor's a little bit.
So we get Peter Mason.
Yes.
He talks about the mid 30s power flip where like before the 30s, a woman is like in control
of the relationship dynamic because she still has like a lot of playing power in the world
of love.
And a lot of sexual power.
Sexual power.
And then after 30, he basically claims that like men get all the power because women have

(36:51):
less options because most guys settle down before the time that they're 30.
So then they start becoming desperate.
And he calls that the mid 30s power flip.
Men are so scary.
And then we get Capote Duncan.
Who's so hot?
He says women should just forget about marriage and have a good time.

(37:12):
Which is essentially Samantha's thesis.
Right.
He's perfect for Samantha.
Yeah.
I love that they, a spoiler at the end of the episode, they find each other.
Yeah.
That was a good little way to tie the knot because it makes us understand who Samantha
is as a character.
What's 100%?
If she's able to do something that Charlotte wasn't able to do and this is how this guy

(37:33):
is speaking about what he thinks a woman should do in a relationship.
And Miranda, I mean, and Charlotte doesn't do it, but Samantha does.
It was the perfect way to introduce Samantha to us.
I have a huge note about that moment.
Me too because I will get there.
Yeah, we'll get there.
Okay.
And then we kept in Miranda.
So this is the first time we meet Miranda and she, okay, Miranda looks like a hot dike.

(37:56):
I'm just going to say.
She looks so hot here.
Okay.
And then we kept watching until I watched a couple episodes after.
It is such a downgrade from episode one to episode two.
They should have just kept her in power suits.
Like she should have been.
And also her hair looks worse in the second episode.
I don't see.
And this is what I was telling you before.

(38:17):
I think Miranda was the person in this pilot who I understood the least of her character.
She's just cold, very like unrelated to the other woman that we saw.
And they even put her with the toxic bachelors, which I mean, they'd also did that with Charlotte.
But I think Charlotte was like cute and funny about it where Miranda almost fit in more

(38:38):
with the guys.
Yeah.
Her sensibilities and the shit she said nihilistic and hateful where Charlotte is at least like
aware that she's playing a game.
Yeah.
When it comes to dating.
Charlotte looked fucking hot too.
I wanted to kiss her when I saw her in those little glasses.
Oh my God.
Charlotte is secretly the sexiest one.

(38:59):
She is.
She really is.
I have a note about that later in the scene where she goes on that date.
Oh, I have a long.
Her back.
Don't start.
Don't start.
We'll get there.
Oh my God.
My God.
She looked very beautiful.
Yeah.
She looked really beautiful.
But I love Charlotte.
Charlotte has, in a similar way to Terry, the older I've gotten, the more I've appreciated

(39:20):
Charlotte.
Honestly, I have mixed feelings about Charlotte.
She's a love her hater kind of character for me.
Sometimes I feel aww and other times I'm like, I get annoyed by her.
I also think and just like that made me love her even more.
Aw.
But.
She's kind of endearing.

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She has moments where she's very endearing but there are other times where I get frustrated
by her.
She also feels.
I think it's just because for a lot of things I don't agree with.
Yes.
The things she says and the things she believes.
I definitely don't agree with her a lot of the time.
But even then I feel so, she feels so genuine.
Sometimes Miranda doesn't.

(40:02):
Sometimes it feels like Miranda's putting on a front and same thing with Samantha at
times.
Yeah.
Where Charlotte just always kind of feels like she's being very honest.
Yeah.
And I, I, I love watching that.
You're absolutely right.
Yeah.
I, I think, I think I have more fun watching Samantha.
Yeah.
I mean I have fun watching Charlotte but it's just because like Samantha does things that.

(40:26):
I would do.
Yeah.
And, and Charlotte is so unlike me in every possible way.
The two guys who are like fat phobic.
Yeah.
Monsters.
They're just such bastards.
They really are.
And why don't, why don't these women just marry a fat tub of lard is what one of them
said.

(40:46):
It's crazy.
They have both definitely turned down women because of stupid shit too.
Yes.
That's the, that's another.
They're such hypocrites.
Fun part of this episode is that everyone is so hypocritical.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And like I pray for straight women every day for the shit they go through.
Has straight culture changed at all from the 90s?
I don't think it has.
It doesn't seem like it.

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From the things I see online it does not seem like it.
Oh my God.
I think it's gotten worse.
Oh my God.
How is that even possible after watching this?
I don't know, but I see some of the shit that men say on TikTok.
Oh God.
And it is alarming.
That app is cursed.
Also, most apps are cursed.
I've redownloaded TikTok recently.
I mean, I just go through a constant cycle where I go on that app like for hours a day

(41:30):
and then I don't touch it for weeks and then I go back on it and I get obsessed again.
So like it's kind of a constant spiral for me.
Speaking of apps and dating culture and online culture, it's so weird to think that these
women are just having meat cutes and getting set up on random blind dates and just like
I literally have a note about that and I'm so jealous.

(41:53):
Can you imagine if you always met your partner just out in public, you saw a hot person and
you hand them your card.
Yeah, or like they write their number on a little napkin.
Everybody should just delete apps and go back to the old way.
I literally, the cellphone is the death of culture.
I agree.
I am so jealous.

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I think that's another reason I find this show so comforting and nostalgic because it's
not something I ever got to experience.
I think it's so romantic and like, or maybe not romantic, but I romanticize it in my head.
It's so sexy.
Yeah, it is.
Just like, wow, I saw that hot stranger from across the bar and they're making eyes at

(42:35):
me.
I'm like, I'm so happy to be so much more confident.
Yeah.
You couldn't hide behind a screen.
You couldn't like, boop boop up your personality or anything like that.
You just had to be yourself and hope that somebody in the bar would find you hot.
And nine times out of 10, they did.
Oh my God, I'm obsessed with that.

(42:55):
I just love, I love it.
I love it.
I love this fucking show.
It's so annoying.
So then we jump over to Miranda having her birthday party at this restaurant and we finally
meet Samantha and she's talking about how she thinks all women should have sex like
men and Carries like Samantha Jones is a New York inspiration.

(43:17):
She is.
She is.
And I have a note about her that's just like, I have to share it.
So we look at Samantha, right?
And at the first glance, you're like, oh, she has nice full lips, beautiful face, like
her skin looks flawless.
Her hair is a fucking mess.
Like she looks like she just rolled out of bed and just like showed up at the restaurant
kind of, or maybe she just got fucked against the bathroom wall and came out looking like

(43:38):
that.
But then she's wearing this gold and pearl earring on the other side and it's exposed
because her hair is pushed back a little bit.
So honestly, she's like a two face on one side of her face.
Her hair is looking kind of messy.
But on the other side, she has this beautiful honking gold ass chic earring that's probably

(43:58):
from Chanel.
And you understand perfect representation of her personality is equal parts messy and
chic.
Like that is Samantha.
Samantha is trashy, doesn't care about it.
And she's just a fucking flaming hot mess.
But she has this elegance to her that makes her so like, hmm.
It's the same thing as Carrie almost because it's just like the trashiness is what makes

(44:22):
her chic because it just feels like, it feels aspirational.
Any girl could look like this.
I think that.
If you're judging, any girl can look like messy sexy.
I agree.
And I think, but it's something that comes inherently.
You either have, like I think that, sure, there's to an extent you can judge, but also
like.

(44:42):
If you have it, if you don't have it, you don't have it.
Exactly.
And also, I think Carrie is more apologetic about some aspects of her trashiness than
Samantha is.
Yeah.
Like there's this one episode that's a perfect example when Carrie shows up at Samantha's
job and Samantha's going down on the UPS guy.
Yes, I love that episode.
Me too.

(45:02):
And we, and Carrie's kind of judgmental of Samantha and Samantha's like, of all people,
I never thought you would be the one to judge me.
Especially because they're the closest.
They're the closest, but I think also Samantha felt that Carrie understood her in a way that
nobody else did because they both have that aspect of like trashiness to them.
But that's the moment where I realized cat.

(45:24):
Like I think, I think Carrie's not on the same level as Samantha.
No, she could be, but she just doesn't.
Exactly.
It's something aspirational.
Carrie wishes she could be, but when she sees Samantha going that far to like have sex
in the workplace with a complete random stranger who is delivering a package and becomes judgmental
over it, I think she realizes like, maybe I could never get to the place that Samantha

(45:48):
is at.
Yeah.
And sometimes we see that kind of dynamic internally for Carrie when she's with big.
Yeah.
But in the opposite where like she aspires to be so like more prim and proper and like
respectable.
And then she falls into the, like her trashier side and kind of leans into it.

(46:09):
Like when they go to the dinner party with all of his friends and she knows the cater
waiter.
And she's like showing her his tattoo and everything like that and they're smoking outside
and all of big friends are like judging her.
Also her relationship with the artist Alexander where she just realized she knows she's not
going to, these are upper echelon people that she might have been able to like can do with

(46:35):
or like, I don't know, just interact with.
But I think at the end of the day, she realized she was never going to be the woman he needed
her to be.
Like the woman who would just sit there and stand there on his arm and just like let him
show her off.
Like she has a mind of her own.
She's a sex columnist.
She needs to be with people who understand that she is not a prim and proper woman.
She is a modern sex positive woman writing in the era of second wave feminism, which

(47:03):
is all about like female empowerment and like body positivity and sex positivity.
And like, I don't think any of the guys she ever dated understood that part of her
career.
No, and there's, I mean, where I don't, as far as I know, it's not an episode we're
going to go talk about in depth, but like there's the whole episode, the cast system
in season two, which is talking about each girl as having their own weird relationship

(47:25):
with like social and economical power dynamics and like leaning into like.
Oh my God, this show was, came at the most perfect time.
I was going to say ahead of its time, but no, it wasn't.
It was actually came around in the perfect right on time.
Yeah.
Okay, so then we see the scene of just like Samantha going on and on about how women

(47:46):
should have sex like men and everybody has their own opinion of what she's saying.
And this is also where I think we get to know Charlotte a little bit better because Charlotte
is set up for us to believe that she's just like this hopeless romantic from the very
first episode.
But this is what I was telling you before that I had a note about.
I don't think I would call Charlotte a hopeless romantic.

(48:08):
No.
I think she thinks of romance and love as like economical.
No, I just think she's a deeply traditional woman.
Like I think she is deeply entrenched in traditional points of view and it's just one of those
things that's never, she's never going to be able to change.
Like she gets uncomfortable at the idea of a guy who loves oral sex and she also gets

(48:31):
uncomfortable with the guy who wants to have anal sex.
Oh, which we will talk about.
She gets uncomfortable with the guy.
Yeah.
I love that episode.
She gets uncomfortable and that guy calls her a whore during sex.
You stupid bitch, you stupid whore.
He wasn't even saying anything that bad.
Like it's just like some dirty, dirty talking.

(48:52):
It's like normal sexy dirty talk to me at least.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, to me too.
Someone who's lived his life as a whore.
I can say that that's pretty par for the course.
We're a sex positive podcast and we're letting y'all know what he said was not that bad.
No, I don't find it to be extreme.
I think like, and I think again in that scene, like in that episode when she talks about

(49:15):
it, Samantha's like, oh yeah.
And I think, and it's also funny because you see someone like, again, this episode
we're just kind of like, we're talking about the pilot, but we're also just talking about
the show.
Yeah.
Miranda, you see to be more sexually fluid than you expect from the first couple of

(49:35):
episodes too.
Yeah, that's so true.
Like there's the episode where she's, the guy wants to have sex in public.
And when she, the guy wants to have phone sex with her.
Yeah.
And she's like, and she's, even when she flashes that guy across the alley from her,
even though he's, that's not when he wanted, he was flirting with the other person.
Oh my God, yes.
But she's like, she is, she's kind of a down ass bitch.

(49:57):
She's a down ass bitch.
She's a, she's a fucking mean bitch, but she's down to have a good time.
She's explorative.
You know what?
She has the hottest sex in the whole show.
Wow.
You did not just say that.
I think her and Steve have the hottest sex in the show.
What?
I think so.
I'm mystified by that.
I think it's so.

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Give an example.
Oh my God.
I'm trying.
I can't, I'm thinking just as like, I think they're dynamic.
Okay.
Next episode, next episode, I want you to come prepared with other women.
Yes.
But I think they're dynamic being that they are so like, that ends with each other a
lot of the time.
Then when they do finally fuck.
They kind of have hate sex.
They have exactly, which is why it's so hot.
Like it feels like primal.

(50:39):
Hate sex is, is on another level for sure.
Which is like Samantha has hot sex all the time.
Like we know that.
Yeah, but it's always just horny sex.
It's horny.
It's never, it's never another dynamic.
It's not like needy.
Well sometimes it is like when she has sex with Richard.
Oh yeah.
I think she, the only time I've ever seen Samantha be needy is with Richard.

(50:59):
Yeah.
We're like, when like.
Like when she's jealous and she's like, you're mine.
And they, no, no, that, that, that moment was hot.
That moment was hot.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I mean, I think there's a, I think the thing is there's a lot of hot sex in this show.
Yeah.
I mean, it's called sex in the city.
Yeah.
You told me.
Yeah.
But I think even like, yeah, I don't know.

(51:20):
I think Miranda and Steve have the hottest sex and I will come with examples next week.
Okay.
Great.
I can't wait for that segment.
Okay.
So then we meet Stanford, rest in peace.
One of the best.
We miss you.
One of the best characters on any TV show.
I love him so much.
I love Stanford so much.
I'm like pretty good gay representation for the time.

(51:42):
Honestly, yeah.
And I loved his line.
It's straight love that's become closeted.
The only place people can find real love these days in New York is in the gay community.
Okay.
And it's so.
He might have spilled with that.
Especially for a show that is so sex positive.
I will say they like, like, look, we'll talk about it.
This show did not handle queer things well.

(52:02):
It definitely did not.
Especially the episode where Carrie was supposed to kiss Alana's morse and she made.
The bisexual episode, probably the best TV ever put out.
And like the trans episodes, like it's rough.
But I will say one thing they do pretty well is that Stanford never feels like a doomed
character.

(52:23):
He has love and sex and fun just like the rest of them.
I think one of my favorite scenes in the whole show or storylines and like, I don't think
it's one we'll talk about in depth.
So I'm just going to mention it here is when he meets the guy online and he's talking about
like online sex chat and everything like that.

(52:45):
And like the AIM groups and things like that.
Is that when he gets that fished?
Well, he goes to the underwear bar.
Oh, right.
Right.
Right.
And he's like really self conscious and it's all these like hunks and everything, but
he might meet someone who likes him and he seems to like he goes.
He has a good time.
Yeah.
Where it's like, especially someone like Stanford who's not like traditionally masculine or
sexy or anything like that.

(53:05):
He's never made really the butt of the joke.
Yeah.
Oh my God, I love his relationship with Anthony.
Yeah.
I like Anthony.
Honestly.
Oh my God, I love Anthony.
Anthony makes me want to punch him in the head, but I fucking love him.
But I love him.
He's such a cunt.
I love him.
I, yeah, I really love Stanford.
I really am appreciative for the character of Stanford.
Me too.

(53:25):
I never thought he was overly problematic.
No, no.
Like not in his portrayal of a gay character and of a gay man, which in this point in time,
it was like chic to have a gay best friend.
Yeah.
And like their throwaways.
Stanford feels like he has a whole life in this world.
No, he has a personality and Carrie doesn't treat him the way most women treat a gay best
friend.
She actually treats him just like a normal friend.

(53:47):
She kind of treats him better than she treats her other best friends.
No, literally.
Like especially like Miranda, for example.
Yeah.
Okay.
So moving on, we see, so yeah, they're at a brunch place, I think, Carrie and Stanford.
And he's like, don't turn around, but like your ex-boyfriends at the bar, the load of

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your life is at the bar, he says.
So funny.
Can I just say one thing?
Yeah.
I miss Sarah Jessica Parker's chinmul.
I do too.
I think she was kind of hotter with it.
No, it made her kind of ugly, but that's what was sexy about it.
She felt again.
She felt real.
She felt more real.
She feels like an extremely beautiful real woman.

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But it feels very real and Carrie of her to get it removed.
Yeah.
And not to get it to the whole like.
Kind of like obsessed with like getting the conversation of like, oh, a real woman.
Like you know what I mean?
Right.
Yeah.
Like what does a real woman look like or whatever?
But Carrie feels like a girl like walked by.
But like somebody who embraced her exactly like embraced her realness, so to speak.
Later on in the series, we see her around these extremely beautiful, statuesque, unattainable

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models and things like that, all of the sort.
But she still gets the guy.
She still gets the guy.
She's real as fuck.
She says what's on her mind.
She's a real individual.
She like, and not to, not to again, not to demean the one, the like models or anything
like that.
There is that whole episode where she dates the male model and she thinks he's going to
be like this brainless twit.
But he's just like, I want to go to school.

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She's like, I'll move back to Indiana and be a cop.
Yeah.
That's what he says or something.
It's just like very sweet.
Yeah.
Okay.
So Kurt Harrington, a mistake I made when I was 26 and 29 and 31.
Um, we just need to talk about episode one.
They tell us that Carrie is a boyfriend recycler.

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Which is respectable.
She always goes back for sections and thirds.
That's the number one reason I think Carrie is a Libra.
She's the most indecisive bitch I've ever seen on TV.
And it just like sets up the whole rest of the series where she's just going to start
this 10 year situation ship with Bing.
God, it's so fucking annoying.
And with Aiden.
She goes back and forth between guys over and over again.

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And she hasn't stopped if you've seen the trailer for, and just like that season two.
No spoilers, no spoilers.
There might be people who haven't seen it and don't want to get spoiled.
So we're not going to go any further than this.
Boo, watch the trailer.
Okay.
Should we just tell them?
Yeah.
We're going to tell them like a month already.
Okay.
I don't know, I feel bad.

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Well, we'll put a warning in the description.
Yeah, spoiler warning for the end just like that trailer.
Okay.
Carrie kisses Aiden multiple times.
I'm so excited.
And just by the fucking way, this is a Team Aiden podcast.
This is a Team Aiden podcast.
And if you don't know that by now, you haven't fucking been paying attention.
We mentioned that like two times per episode.

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This is an anti-big podcast and pro Aiden.
If I ever see Big again on, no, no, no.
He better not, well, he's dead.
So he's not coming back.
But I started to go out.
If he comes back in some kind of flashback, I will kill.
I'll be so pissed.
I'll be really pissed off.

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Enough.
Boyfriend or Psych, or Carrie.
Okay.
So he's like, Carrie, no, no, do not go over to him.
I'm begging you.
Please.
She's like, what do you think?
I'm just like, yes, bitch, you fucking are a mess of a kiss.
But anyway, I love her.
Stanny is literally all of my friends anytime I've ever taken a next back.

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They're like, I can't clean this mess up for a fourth time.
Like that is so.
But also sometimes you have to just go back.
Sometimes you have no other option.
I love it.
I hate Carrie's hair at this length.
The frizz is just over the top.
She looks like shit.

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But she still looks sexy.
There's something so sexy about her, but the hair is just not giving at all.
No, I'm glad this hair does not stay with her.
Me too.
And Stanford's waving at her from across the bar.
No, no, get away from him.
I think this guy kind of looks like an off brand Kevin Bacon.

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I agree.
He also looks like an off brand.
I've been watching, Tony and I have been watching Law and Order.
That's for you from the beginning.
Oh my God, what a commitment.
I know.
Well, just like very casually.
Okay.
And in the first season, there's the character Brian Cassidy, played by Dean Winters.
And this guy looks like off brand him.

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Interesting reference.
Okay.
That's just like, I was like, wait, is that the same guy?
And it's not, but they look similar.
Okay, I'm following.
But I don't find this guy that sexy.
Again, it's the smoker in him.
I think that's the only sexy thing I see about him.
Just like the rugged aspect of the show.
Yeah, he's very 90s.

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She takes a hit off his cigarette and passes it back to him and he's just like, he's back
in it.
He's like, damn, I'm back in it.
He wants her.
And she goes back and sits down and Stanford looks like he wants to kill her.
And then he's like, don't worry, it's research.
And it's like, bitch, oh my God.
Is this brunch or right off now?
I know, right?

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She's like, okay, I'm going to expense it.
Yeah.
So then we immediately cut to them having sex and he he's obviously goes down on her.
And then when he comes back up, she's like, he's like, it's my turn now.
And she's like, sorry, I have to go back to work.
She's like, see you later.
So so iconic.

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I fucking love this crazy bitch.
I almost knocked over my mic.
Oh my God.
I did it.
I don't know what that noise was.
Yeah, sorry.
No, you're good.
But yeah, she's like, she's feeling her slut self.
Yeah.
And she's like, anyway, I have to go back to work.
And she's like, I'm so confident.
I felt so confident.
It felt so like sexy.

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I felt like a man and she's wearing this little black dress and no bra.
So her purse falls and we really like all the content spills out and she has like condoms
and a tampon and just like random ash a lipstick.
A very relatable purse.
I feel very true.
And of course, who bends over to help her pick her shit up but big?

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Any hands are the condoms.
And she's like, OK, thanks.
Bye.
And he's like, bye.
And she trips over on two feet.
This is not a classy bitch.
This is not a classy.
She's sexy.
But she's not cuddling.
Her stumbling is so cute.
It's very real.
It's endearing.
Yeah.
It's endearing.
She's not a classy bitch.

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She's just kind of a klutz.
It's just so cute.
Like, I love, I hate big but I love this scene.
I do too.
This is a meet cute if I ever saw it.
So then we cut to her in her apartment and her hair is tied up and her hair actually
looks cute tied up.
It looks much better up than it does down.
I agree.

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Like the little like dangly hair is like in the back of her neck.
That's what I love about having short hairs.
When you put it up, you look like this cute like kind of.
Librarian.
Yeah.
Or just like unkempt.
Yes.
There's something very unkempt about having short hair.
It's just like whatever.
I can't wear it.
I'm wearing like a white linen button up.
Yeah.
It's like coastal grandma kind of.
Exactly.
Exactly.

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Okay.
So then we talk about Skipper a little bit and honestly.
Skipper is like annoying.
Skipper annoys me.
He's like the classic nice guy like, oh, women don't like me because I'm nice, pity me, feel
bad for me.
Why am I not getting laid?
And it's like I dislike Skipper until I see Skipper interacting with Miranda and then

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I'm Team Skipper.
He kind of reminds me of young Tom Hanks with long hair.
Yeah.
He does have a Tom Hanks adjacent face.
It's like boyish.
So he's like, Carrie, don't you have any friends that you could set me up with?
And she's like, not your age.
And he's like, that's fine.
I like older women.
Same.
Okay.
I'm officially Team Skipper.

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Carrie and then Carrie is like says something so shitty.
She's like, I just knew that Miranda was going to hate Skipper.
I think she was going to think he was an asshole because he's too nice.
And it's like, why the hell are you setting him up with her then?
Messi.
She's messy.
She needs the column.
I love her.
So then they all go out to this bar called Chaos.

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And we see Miranda talking to Skipper and she calls him Skippy.
And they're talking about how there's nobody in the bar who weighs over 100 pounds.
And Miranda says that.
And then Skipper agrees with her.
And she's like, that's funny.
Anyway, she just wants him to shut up.

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She's like, I'm allowed to bad mouth woman, but you're not allowed to.
And she also says that she has this theory that men hate pretty women because they rejected
them in high school.
And I'm like, interesting.
Is that why you also hate them?
Literally, it's like the amount of internalized misogyny in Miranda is really alarming.
It's very alarming, but it's also very much giving closeted gay women.

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I would say Charlotte and Miranda are the two most misogynistic of the four.
I totally agree.
I totally and completely agree.
And in such different ways.
It's the traditionalism in Charlotte that makes her act like that.
Miranda just hates herself.
Yeah, exactly.
We're like, Samantha's like, just do whatever, bitch.
Samantha is so pro-woman of all kinds.

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She's pro everything.
I've never seen somebody more openly liberated and happy about it.
And it makes sense that she's the one we see explore queer relationships.
Yes.
Oh my god.
Thank you for saying that.
We are definitely going to be talking about that episode.
Yeah.
And even just like, I mean, we'll talk about that episode and her relationship with Maria,

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but also she's the one who explores non-monogamy and multiple partners and threesomes and all
of this stuff.
She tries everything.
She explores non-facial relationships.
She's tri-sexual.
Yeah.
She says that literally.
And it's just like, it's so nice to see her see a character like that, not be a villain.
Yeah.

(01:04:07):
Yeah.
Although I think a lot of times she is set up to be the foil for some of these other characters.
Like sometimes she's put, she, oh no, not sometimes, almost always.
She's Miranda's foil or Charlotte's foil.
Yes.
Carrie and her are always two peas in a pod, but then you, any episode that is Miranda
or Charlotte heavy, we see Samantha be basically the villain or like the opposite.

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And then at the end of the day, I think a lot of the times in those episodes that we
see Samantha kind of be right.
Yep.
And that's why I love her so much.
I think the plot, the story is on Samantha's side.
Even though like she is kind of an antagonist sometimes, the overall story is on her side.
You know why it's so- And the point of view of the show is on her side.

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I think that they get frustrated with her because the times where she is right, they
wish she was wrong.
Yes.
It's kind of like the whole book, he's just not that into you.
Yeah.
Remember when they have that conversation about he's just not that into you with Burger?
Yes.
Um, and Miranda is like shocked that such a thing could be true.

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And she says it to another woman and the woman are like, you bitch, why the fuck would you
say that to me?
And it's just like, it reminds me a lot of like how Samantha will like try to teach them
the lesson that they really need to hear.
So they don't get hurt.
Right.
But they don't listen to her and they end up getting hurt.
I think that's why they hate that aspect of her so much is because the times where she

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is right, it's like the most painful.
And then, but even then it's like, when she knows she's right and she's proven right,
she very rarely does the I told you so.
She always comforts.
Yes, she's not an I told you so bitch.
She's not.
I'm sorry that you had that, but let's move on.
And she's also the oldest one.
Oh my God, I love her so much.
I love her so much.

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She's like a good chunk age, uh, older than them.
She is, but it's like only talked about like one kind of blue moon rare.
Like it's talked about for sure.
But it's not like that's why she feels so much more lived in and like she's learned
the lessons already.
That's why she's more confident too.
I will say this, older women are usually more confident.
Yeah, which the ones who are no, the ones who are sex positive, the ones who are like

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insecure about the fact that they're getting older are almost never this confident.
I, I love, I love Samantha.
We only see her be insecure about her age like a couple of times.
Yeah.
And it's really, it's like very specific circumstance.
Um, okay.
So she says to Carrie, that guy's the next Donald Trump.

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And you know what?
She spilled because she was pointing at big.
Yeah.
And it's like, yeah, he's a prick and it was like a jump scare.
Yeah.
And I was like shocked to hear her say that at the time that might have been a good thing.
Now it's a bad thing.
And thank God it's a bad thing because he's no longer a character that we would think
positively about.
Yeah.
And so like, I agree with Samantha's assessment.

(01:07:00):
She was ahead of her time with that.
Um, Samantha is the blueprint for go through the world with the confidence of a basic white
guy and you'll get everything you want.
It's, it works so for her.
It works for that.
It works for her every time.
She behaves like she has the confidence of a man and it gets her what she wants almost

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every time except for this time because big doesn't want a woman who's too sex forward.
And that's, I think a huge part of the reason why her, his relationship with Carrie was so
acrimonious because like he felt conflicted about the fact that he found himself attracted
to a woman who was anything like Samantha.
He shut Samantha down so quick.

(01:07:41):
Yeah.
He was like whispering in his ear like, hmm, would you want to go down there and fuck?
Yeah.
She's really sexy.
But I think he felt a moral objection to the idea of dating a woman who was so sex forward.
And that's why the conversation he has with Carrie later on in his private car of like,
I'm writing a sex column about women who have sex like men and he's like, Oh, I got it.

(01:08:05):
You've never been in love.
And that's when we learned that big is supposed to not be like the other guys that Carrie has
been telling us about in all of these episodes.
And guess what?
He's worse.
He's worse because of the fact that he wants Carrie to be this perfect, prim and proper
woman the way Charlotte is.
Yeah.
Oh, I hate him.
Oh my God.

(01:08:26):
I could talk about this for hours.
I hate him so much.
And guess what?
We will.
We will.
Okay.
So then we jump over to Charlotte and she looks so beautiful.
She's so stunning.
Her hair is immaculate.
The dress looks perfect on her.
Her back is exposed.
Her hair is tied up in this perfect chic little style.
Like she just looks smoking hot.

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Like damn, wifey material.
So stunning.
So sexy.
And the guy's like really interned.
She's into him too, but she's playing hard to get because again, she is the more traditional,
the more protective.
And he looks sexy too here.
He kind of looks hot in this outfit.
Like very suave.
Yeah, very suave.
He looks like a perfect gentleman, but he's really not.
He just wants to get laid.

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And you know what?
He's valid for that.
He's valid for that because that's no Charlotte style.
I literally have the note like when they go back to his apartment and he like comes onto
her and she's like, no, and he's like, okay, I'll get you a cat.
He like doesn't pressure her.
Great.
He doesn't pressure her, but at the same time he's like, I'm getting my dick sucked.
Yeah.
He's like, I don't want to get laid.
Like there's no, I don't, I like, I can't say I haven't done this exact thing.

(01:09:31):
And kudos to you.
I don't hate him for it.
I just think Charlotte.
I understand why Charlotte's turned off by it.
But also Charlotte should have realized maybe not every guy is going to be okay with the
hard to get, hard to get act.
Yeah.
It's done.
It's not a one to one.
I also am like, bitch, you should have fucked him.
He's hot.
He showed you a good time.

(01:09:52):
You're obviously- But that's not who she is.
But you're- I'm like- The purpose of this moment was to show us that.
I know.
But I'm like, come on.
Has some fun.
She's different from, but the person who does go home with him is Samantha.
And that's the difference between them.
And I think my favorite shot in the entire episode is in that scene.
Samantha is too obsessed with the hard to get, with the games.
Charlotte is a game player.

(01:10:13):
And like, Miranda is not, she likes a straightforward guy.
Samantha is not, she just goes for what she wants.
Carrie- Look, Carrie likes the games.
Carrie likes the games because she is good at playing them.
She's better at it than Charlotte is.
I think Charlotte thinks she's good at it, but clearly she's not.
That's because she's more sexually liberated, so she has more chips to play with.

(01:10:35):
I think so too.
And she knows that like, okay, if I don't get this guy, it's not the end of the world.
Charlotte does treat it like it's the end of the world when a guy isn't interested in
her because-
Charlotte treats every date like it's a marriage proposal.
Right.
She treats every date like it's this high-stakes thing like, oh my God, he could be the one.
He could really be the one.
And Carrie's just like, I'm here to have fun.
If this guy wants to tango, let's do it.

(01:10:55):
And if I don't end up having sex with him, it's fine.
I'll move on to the next.
But Charlotte truly treats every guy like he could be the one.
Yes.
It's a little obnoxious at times.
No, I agree.
But I like that he's like, he just gets in the cab.
Yeah.
It's so funny.
He's like, I need to have sex.
Yeah.
And she's just like, oh, I didn't realize a guy would say such a thing to me.

(01:11:19):
I think she's so taken aback by how forward he is.
Yeah.
Like she can't, she's honestly stun specialist.
He kind of gagged her.
Yeah.
And then he's walking in as Miranda and Skipper are walking out.
Right.
And then they hook up.
And I don't get the whole Skipper thing.
I think he's even worse than Steve.

(01:11:40):
Like Steve is a nice guy.
Yeah.
Skipper is like the-
Steve has like a personality that you like.
Yeah.
You're rooting for him.
Yeah.
And like, it was just, why does Miranda always go for these pathetic guys?
I'm sorry, both of them are kind of pathetic.
Yeah.
Like I know Steve is the nicest boyfriend and everything like that, maybe other than

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Aiden.
But I always kind of thought Miranda was dating below her league.
I think so too.
I think the reason she dates losers is because she thinks she's a loser.
She's very insecure.
She has no confidence.
She has no-
God.
You know, I really want to pay more attention to Miranda.
I think I might try to like do a little bit more of a rewatch for this.

(01:12:24):
Yeah, I think I'm going to too.
Even though we're only watching specific episodes, like this conversation is really making me
want to watch it.
Yeah.
More in depth.
Like, I just feel like sometimes when we do talk about the specific episodes, we're missing
some of the context and it makes it kind of hard to relate.
I've seen it so many times that I'm fine.
But just like this conversation is making me think like, I kind of want to pay more

(01:12:45):
attention to Miranda on this rewatch.
She is such an interesting character.
She is.
My mom and I have always long said she does not fit in with the others.
And I kind of hate it.
I kind of hated her.
Yeah.
She's the hardest one to like.
She's very unlikeable.
But I think there's also this opinion, like public opinion, not my personal opinion, that

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anybody who hates Miranda doesn't realize the whole purpose of like her friendship with
Carrie.
And that's not true.
I totally get why she's Carrie.
Yeah, I just think she's insufferable sometimes.
She's just insufferable.
I don't enjoy.
Most of the time I don't enjoy her scenes.
I agree.
Anyway.
So we jump over to Samantha and we see Samantha going home with the guy who Charlotte was

(01:13:30):
supposed to end up with.
And the thing is, she tells the guy that she really wants to see the same painting that
he used to get Charlotte back to his place.
Yeah.
The thing is that this is and I have this really long winded opinion about this.
So just bear with me.
Please.
I am of the opinion that Samantha is just as cultured as Charlotte.

(01:13:54):
Oh, yeah.
She cares just as much about art and society and knows as much as her, not cares about
it, but knows as much.
But she's more willing to fuck.
Yes.
And so at first we think she's upset over him basically telling her that she can't sleep
over.
Yeah, she has this.
Because she has a look on her face.
Yes.

(01:14:14):
No, it's not a sad look though.
No, it could be right now.
I have the same exact note.
She is just reverent of the feeling of a guy going down on her.
And I think when her face changes from that look into a smile, it's so devious.
It's so important to her character too.
This is one of the best characterizations I've ever seen on a first episode of a show.

(01:14:39):
Absolutely.
Ever, ever.
It's so easily could have been read as her being sad.
And if you haven't seen the show before, you probably would read it that way.
Yes.
But the fact that you have the context of her character and everything she's done in
the rest of the episode, is she's just- Oh, just the fact that she goes home with the
same guy that Charlotte was with.
And for Charlotte, it was a no.

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Charlotte was like, I'm gonna play the mind games.
I'm gonna play hard to get.
It got her nowhere.
Samantha goes home with the guy.
But the thing is, she doesn't care about the games and she doesn't care about a relationship.
She doesn't even care about later that night.
She wants to go home and sleep in her own fucking bed.
Yeah.
But she wants to have sex.
And that is exactly, exactly, exactly her character.
She's so much more in tune with her.
Like, wants and needs.

(01:15:21):
Yeah.
And her innate desires.
Yeah.
Which is why she seems so much more well-rounded.
Oh my God, I love her so much.
And then, with a character like Samantha being that she is this sex forward, like, everything,
like, she's so in tune with herself, then when we see her falter or have these relationships

(01:15:43):
that don't succeed and we see her upset, it's so much more heartbreaking.
Yeah.
Because she-
And then we're like, oh no, she really, she wanted this.
She wanted more and that she wasn't given that and she was mistreated.
So it's so much sadder where it's like, yeah, when we see every episode we see Charlotte
going on another bad date, it kind of loses its edge.

(01:16:03):
Yeah.
And I don't feel bad for her because-
She's setting herself up.
Okay.
I mean, I do kind of, like, I don't want people to think I'm this heartless bitch.
I understand that it hurts to get your heart broken and I- but at the same time, like, she's
the person who's playing all these mind games.
You know what I mean?
Charlotte plays games.
And so I would say Samantha has a lot of similarities to the men in the show when it comes to,

(01:16:26):
like, sex and kind of free will and free love.
Charlotte has just as many similarities with the men when it comes to, like, the mind games.
Yeah.
But, and you know what else?
I think that her relationship with Harry is the perfect example of that.
Yes.
And she has, for once, it's a woman who is, I think, like, I think it's always the guy

(01:16:51):
who's like, oh, this woman is, like, too ugly for me.
And he has really unrealistic standards.
Like, she could be the perfect woman for him and, like, sweetest personality, maybe even
good in bed, just makes him happy.
Yeah.
And he's, like, finding every reason not to be with her.
And then in her relationship with Harry, she's like, oh, he's bald.
He's a little overweight.
He's kind of corny.

(01:17:11):
He has a hairy back.
But, like, he makes her the happiest she's ever fucking been in her life.
Yeah, she learns.
He's a nice guy.
He's a nice guy.
She learns a valuable lesson.
She learned the most valuable lesson of all, which is that mind games don't work.
Love is, love goes beyond the mind games.
Love is going to trick you and is going to be...
Unexpected.
Yeah.

(01:17:32):
You can't play a mind game to find the love of your life.
And she figured that out with Tray, too.
I think, like, oh, my God.
Tray is the perfect guy on paper.
He's handsome, rich, romantic.
He does these grand gestures.
He has a perfect family and upbringing.
But the sex sucks.
He can't even, like...
So, like, okay, so where did all that get you, right, Charlotte?

(01:17:54):
You were so obsessed with finding the perfect guy and it didn't work.
And now you really have found the actual perfect guy.
But because you're so obsessed with this image of perfection and have this ideal image in
your head of what your man is supposed to look like, you're overlooking your true love.
I also do love that in the show, it's Charlotte that goes through a divorce.

(01:18:15):
Yes, because it's so much more poignant.
It's like any of the other characters, of any of them, I was expecting it to be Miranda.
Yes.
And again, it's Miranda being the one that has a kid first.
Oh, my God.
It's so ass-backwards.
And then Charlotte, like, constantly getting upset with Miranda about it.
Like, there's this one episode where they're talking and Miranda's like, oh, God, I'm having

(01:18:36):
such bad morning sickness today, blah, blah, blah.
She complains about the pregnancy.
And Charlotte is giving her this, like, if you say one more bad thing, I'm gonna kill
you.
And Miranda's like, I didn't want to get pregnant, okay?
Are you gonna hold it over my head forever just because you're, like, barren or whatever
the fuck?
Fuck.
She's so, like, she's so cold.
Miranda is very cold.

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Which again is necessary.
Some of the shit she says rubs me the wrong way.
It's crazy.
Like, actually, she's out of pocket a lot.
I hate her sometimes.
She's the most out of pocket.
More than Samantha.
I don't get why they freak out about some of the shit Samantha says.
Yeah.
I don't get it.
Like, most of it is just related to sex.
Miranda says things that are actually hurtful.
Samantha's blunt.

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Miranda's mean.
Yes, that is exactly it.
And Samantha's not even blunt.
She's just honest.
Yeah.
I think honest about sex, though.
Yes.
And like her personal relationships.
And her personal relationships, like, she would never go up to somebody who is having
a hard time getting pregnant and be like, just, oh, God.

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And she weaponizes her bluntness and like kind of her, like, at that episode I think
of is when they go to the baby shower.
And Charlotte learns that their friend is stealing her baby name.
And she tells Samantha this and Samantha's immediate reaction is, you fucking bitch,
we're leaving.
Like she immediately uses her kind of like standoffish, like, strong attitude for her

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friends.
Yeah.
And you know what?
Miranda uses it against her friends.
Yes.
When she's trying to tell them that they're wrong.
Yes.
She does not.
Like she is a know it all, like, I told you so kind of bitch.
She does not believe that people know what's best for them.
She knows best for them.
She does that.
The number one person she does that with is Carrie.
Maybe on TikTok was saying that Miranda is like, I don't know if I sent this to you,

(01:20:30):
but when I, I had this epiphany when I saw this person's TikTok, it made me realize that
like a lot of the ways in which Miranda behaves towards Carrie is like possessive.
Yes.
And I think, and this is just me going overboard and this is a huge reach, but usually like
a closeted lesbian or just a closeted queer woman in general will be very possessive towards

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a friend because they've never had like a female relationship before.
And so for them, sometimes their friendships take the place of a relationship and it's
one of their first ways that they can understand what a relationship with a woman would actually
be like.
A lot of the ways that Miranda behaves towards Carrie is like a possessive, toxic girlfriend.

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Yes.
Oh, I 100% agree.
But like the TikTok wasn't reading it in a queer lens, but it just kind of highlighted
some of Miranda's behaviors, especially like when Miranda gets like annoyed with Carrie
about big and like is super harsh about like Carrie going back to him and Carrie changing
for him and Carrie like cheating with him.

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Like one, one memory I have of this specifically that has always stood out to me is when he
calls her on the phone and leaves our message and she immediately calls Miranda and is like,
will you dissect this with me?
Like what did it mean?
I can't believe he called me.
Like can you believe he called me?
And Miranda's like, she's like, what should I do about it?
And Miranda's like, I think you know what you want to do about it.
Otherwise you wouldn't be calling me right now.

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Yes.
And she's right.
She's absolutely right.
It just shows that, but I get that it's hard to be supportive of your friends when they're
in a toxic relationship because you just want them to see it.
Yeah.
And snap them out of it, but I don't know.

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It's easier than done.
It's something so off about the way Miranda treats Carrie.
None of the other girls treat her the way Miranda does.
It's sometimes it's like overprotective.
Sometimes it's possessive.
Sometimes it's almost like motherly in a way.
Like you shouldn't do that because it's bad for you.
You shouldn't do that because you're going to regret it later.
No, I told you so.
You shouldn't have done that.

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Bubblebite.
Now you learned your lesson.
It feels a little bit envious.
Yes.
Envious is definitely part of it.
It could be a little envious of just like the life that Carrie has built for herself
and like the confidence in herself and her sexuality that I just don't think Miranda
has.
And I also think Miranda pitties Carrie sometimes.
Like for example, when she moves to Paris for the guy, she's like, she actually goes

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so far as to enable Carrie's most toxic ex to go to Paris and bring her back to New York.
That is not, she did not do that for Carrie.
She's never been supportive of big people might look at that and say, whoa, that was
so out of character for Miranda.
The really, really, really, it isn't.
It isn't.
It's perfectly in character for Miranda because she just cares about care, having Carrie close

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to her.
That's the only reason she sent big to New York.
I mean, to Paris was to get Carrie back.
It wasn't because she actually supported their relationship in a real way.
For me, that moment was in character for Miranda as a possessive, controlling friend.
She wanted Carrie to realize that she didn't belong in Paris.
That she belonged in New York.
She wanted to keep Carrie close to her.

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Absolutely.
I 100% agree with that.
Anyways.
Okay.
Um, so then everybody leaves the bar and Carrie's like, I'm going to have to walk home.
It's like, bitch, um, you, you tried to hail one cab and you didn't get it.
I'm living New York city.
Get on the subway.
Take the subway.
Get up, take the bus.
Like be fucking serious.

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Fucking walking home.
She's so like, overdramatic.
I love her.
I love her.
Overdramatic ass fucking saying, I'm going to walk home from this bar right now.
Like who the fuck?
Oh, I love her.
So, but then big pulls up in his car and I've, is it just me or I found this moment so weird.
I would not be getting in this man's car.
Like why the hell would he say to her?

(01:24:30):
So what have you been doing lately?
Like you guys talked for two seconds on the street.
This is not your friend.
You don't know each other's first name.
This entire premise of this conversation and the idea of her getting into this car is just
completely ass backwards.
I don't understand it at all.
Maybe it's a nineties thing.
Like, oh, she kind of knows the guy and he helped her pick up condoms off the street.
So like, he can't be that bad, right?

(01:24:51):
I don't know.
But he thinks she's a whore.
He thinks she's a whore and she kind of looks like one.
She looks good.
She, she's like, I'm talking about women who have sex like men for my column and he's like,
but you're not like that.
And it's like, how the fuck would you know when you first met her condoms fell out of

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her person.
She was just leaving a guy's apartment that she had fucked.
Like she wasn't giving anything else.
Right.
And he's like, okay, I got it.
You've never been in love.
And she gets, he, he's she'll fuck her.
He got her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she was shocked.
Um, she, like she literally says she felt like she had the wind knocked out of her.

(01:25:35):
Um, I hate his stupid smile.
I just want to punch him in his fucking face.
I hate him so fucking much with that fucking self righteous smile that cocky attitude that
he has when she asks him, so have you been in love before?
He's like, I'm so fucking.
Lately, I will.
But like, look, him saying, I'm so fucking.

(01:25:56):
Lately.
I just found his face in so bad.
Him saying that is so iconic.
I hate him.
That is like one of the most iconic lines in the show.
How does the fucking Lately, if you don't close that fucking.
He's so charming when he says that in the most like dirty, slimy way.
Why does that kind of work?
It works.

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That's when they're, that's when he's sexiest, when he's so confident.
It pisses me off.
He's such a sanitarious.
Yeah.
And she just looks, she looks stunned.
She's just like, doesn't know what hit her.
I love it.
And that's the end.
Her boobs are sitting.
Oh my God.

(01:26:37):
This whole episode.
Um, this is a perfect pilot.
It really is.
It's like, it feels like the show had been going on already.
Yeah.
It feels like we got dropped into the beginning of the second season of a show.
It was so perfectly in the middle.
All the relationships are so established.
Yeah.
You get such a good read for everyone.

(01:26:57):
All like pretty much.
Yep.
Even big, you get from like the very, the three scenes he talks in.
You get such a good idea of his character.
Cigar smoking, um, next Donald Trump, cocky ass, private car.
He knows his driver's name.
He has like a slagger to him.
He picks up random women off the street.
I hate him so bad.

(01:27:19):
Okay.
I'm changing my ringtone back to the Sex and the City theme song.
I love you.
I love you.
You should do that.
I, my current one is the Will and Grace theme song and it has been for years unchanged
for years.
The Will and Grace theme song is top notch.
It is so good.
Definitely in my top 10 ringtones, I mean theme songs, but I think while we're watching

(01:27:40):
Sex and the City, I'm changing my ringtone back.
It just brings me such joy.
It does.
It really, it just has that like New York feeling.
Yeah.
You know, it feels like I'm walking on the sidewalk.
Oh my God.
Ah!
Wow.
It's the perfect pilot.
I'm so excited to keep talking about it.
Me too.
So for the next episode, are we doing one of mine or one of yours?
I say to you, let's do one of yours.

(01:28:01):
Okay.
So we're going to start strong.
Okay.
We're going to start really strong because my number one episode that I put is going
to, oh my God, I can't wait to talk about it.
Okay.
I really would recommend for y'all to watch along for this, for this season.
Yes.
This one is so much fun to watch.

(01:28:22):
Okay.
Season three, episode 11, Natasha comes home to find Carrie and her in Biggs apartment.
Oh my God, bitch.
You guys need to watch this episode.
You need to watch it.
Whether you're a fan of the show, you're not a fan of the show and you're just listening
to our podcast.
Watch this episode.
Please watch this episode.
Please watch this episode.
We are so over.
We need a new word for over.

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Oh, fucking God.
Goodbye.
Oh.
That is it.
Please watch.
We'll talk to you next week.
Love you all.
Love you.
Bye.
Bye.
Oh my God, he's online.
Can he see me?
What the hell is she talking about?
Who's this?
Can I speak to Angelina please?
No, she died.
She died.
She died.
I'll go first.