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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the you Winning Life podcast your number
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(00:22):
so you, too, can be winning life.
Now here's your host licensedmarriage and family therapist,
certified neuro-emotionaltechnique practitioner and
certified entrepreneur coach,jason Wasser.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
All right, everybody, welcome back to another awesome
episode of you Winning Life and, as you know, we have Dr Wendy
Trebo who is hanging out with us.
Not only is she an MD, but sheis a specialist in integrative
and functional medicine.
She's a certified practitionerand specializes in functional
medicine gynecology.
So, as we talked about in theintro, you're going to hear that
(00:58):
we're going to go all over intoa bunch of different things,
including environmental stuff aswell as toxins.
But right off the bat numberone, I want to just get into the
idea of stress and the stressthat we're facing all over in
the world and how that affectsus and how that actually affects
our health.
So, as you said before, the10,000 foot view.
(01:19):
Let's start off with the 10,000foot view of that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Thanks for having me on, jason Sure.
So I think you want to think.
The first thing that'simportant to recognize is that
stress is everywhere and it's inanything, so it can be.
What are you thinking?
What kind of thoughts are youhaving that are having a
negative impact on your healthbecause they occur as stressful?
(01:44):
I'll give you an example in amoment.
Or they could be something likethe people around you, or the
fact that, if you're like me,you're overbooked and you're
running around from place toplace and so you don't have the
downtime you need.
Or it could be some behaviorsthat you're engaging in and I'm
always very careful to sayyou're not a bad person, you're
(02:06):
a great person and you mighthave behaviors that aren't
working for you well and they'recreating stress in the system.
So there's a lot of differentways you can get to that and
really anything can be astressor.
So the food you're eating couldbe a stressor if it's not in
your best interest.
So I'm very quick to say, okay,that's a stressor, that's a
stressor, that's a stressor.
And people are like boy, that'snot a stressor.
(02:26):
I'm like that's a stressor.
You don't feel good when itoccurs.
It creates a state of angst.
That's a stressor.
So it's a pretty broad, broaddefinition.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So when people are talking now about like trauma
right, and I know this way and Ikind of differentiate this as a
therapist where you have twokinds of types of trauma your
nervous system doesn't alwaysdistinguish between something
that's really massive andsomething that's small.
There's still gonna be sometype of biofeedback and
biochemistry response that'sgoing on.
(02:56):
But is there a perspective fromyour insights as far as, like
capital T traumas and lowercaseT traumas and how that affects
us and what goes through thesystem and how you would look at
that as one, as a medicaldoctor, but also when it comes
to the integrative health sideof it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm gonna tiptoe here , right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm not a trauma expert, but what I would say is
that once the trauma mechanismor system or motor gets
activated, it doesn't reallymatter if it's a bigger little T
if you've activated the system.
So it's like that saying youcan't walk a mile into anyone
else's shoes.
So what you experience as alittle T, I experience as a big
(03:37):
T.
And so I would start there andsay, okay, your experience is
what's important.
Now what we think of yourexperience.
So don't let anybody tell you,oh, who cares, that's not a big
deal.
No, to you it's a big deal.
So you're experiencing it.
It's still setting off youradrenal dysfunction and you're
shutting down the liver andyou're shutting down your detox.
(03:59):
So it has the same impact,whether it's big or little.
Maybe if you experience it as alittle T, even if it's a big T,
it might have lesser of animpact on your adrenal, liver
and gut access, but it's stillhaving an impact.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, the way I think about it is and this is kind of
setting up for that next littlesegment, especially as it
relates back to your book is themicrobiome right?
And when we're talking abouttreatment or solving some
medical related, health relatedstuff, this one size fits all
approach Right again, comingfrom the psychology world, it
(04:34):
was.
You know, you sit and you justtalk and then the sessions up
versus what are the differentapproaches we can take to solve
this?
What are the different theories, methodologies, different
lenses we can take on and off?
My understanding and feel freeto, you know, take this where
you wanna go with this is thatthe linear approach to solving
stress, the linear approach tosolving how our body handles
(04:57):
that.
And what I'm including, likewhat you just said, is the idea
of stress is what are you beingexposed to?
Whether it's environmentalstuff, whether it's food,
whether it's, you know,bacterial, viral, you know all
these different things.
It's not a one size fits alljourney, especially when it
comes to healing.
So two people can be exposed tothe same toxin and have very
different responses and one canhave a response and one cannot
(05:18):
have a response.
So I was wondering if you cantalk a little bit more of what
that means and what that lookslike.
Those misunderstandings of thatapproach right when it comes to
this, one size fits all.
And how does you know toxinsand stress go hand in hand and
affecting people differently?
And jump off.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
There's a lot to unpack there, jason, that sounds
like a really good questionyeah, I know?
right, like you know, can youjust discuss that?
But that's one of those massivequestions, okay, so let's sort
of take a step back.
You're born and you have yourgenetics.
That is your book of life.
You get it from both yourparents.
You can have mutations, you canhave an enhancement, whatever
(06:01):
right, this is what you're bornwith.
And then, alongside your DNA,is your epigenetics.
Those are the methylationfactors that will cause your DNA
to either express, turn on, beactive or go dormant.
So, for example, so I'm notgonna be able to say to you okay
, this happened, and then thishappened and then this caused
that epigenetic change.
But what I will say is thatwhen you think about and this is
(06:24):
near and dear to my heart,because I have celiac, I'm the
president of National CeliacAssociation and a much greater
percentage of people have celiacthat and don't know it.
But an even greater number ofpeople are gluten sensitive and
don't realize it.
So my goal is okay, how do weprevent people from getting
celiac Cause?
Nobody should be as restrictedas I am around gluten in terms
(06:45):
of eating out.
So, okay, 40% of the populationhas the, the gene for celiac,
but only 1% of the populationhas celiac approximately.
That's epigenetics.
So the fact that you have thatgene but it hasn't been
expressed or it hasn't turned on, versus where I have that gene
and it has been turned on and Ihave that autoimmune disease as
(07:06):
a result.
That's the impact of theepigenetics, and the epigenetics
are the stressors that occur toyour ancestors.
And really cool, jason, reallycool.
I remember driving home frombeing in Western Mass.
I live in Massachusetts, we'redriving from Western Mass and
this report comes on on NPRabout this these epigeneticsists
(07:27):
in Sweden pretty sure it wasSweden and they looked back.
There was a very small town inSweden and they kept very, very
meticulous records on theirpeople who lived in the town.
And what they found was whenthey looked back, excuse me, was
that if your grandfather okay,so we're talking two generations
down back if your grandfatherhad a feast when you, when he
(07:53):
was going through puberty it'smore the grandfathers than the
grandmother in this case thenhis offspring were significantly
more likely to have diabetes,heart disease and died on
average six years earlier thanthe general population.
Then they looked at theopposite and said, okay, well,
what happens if your ancestorwent through a famine?
And they found that if yourgrandfather went through a
(08:15):
famine as he was going throughpuberty.
His offspring weresignificantly more likely to
live 25 years longer than thegeneral population and
significantly less likely tohave diabetes, heart disease or
die early.
So we have a 31 year spread inthe lifespan based on something
(08:36):
that's totally out of yourcontrol.
Okay, and so that's the impactof epigenetics.
Now I've forgotten, hold on.
You asked me something and Iwas like that's a lot to unpack,
but, but I went off on theepigenetics because some of this
is out of our control and someof it's in our control.
All stress is not bad.
Too much stress is bad, right.
So so the thing that causesyour genes to express or not
(08:58):
express can impact how yourespond to a stressor in your
lifetime or a toxin in yourlifetime.
So, okay, you've got yourgenetics.
Then you've got your.
How you were born?
Were you born via a vaginalbirth or were you born via
cesarean delivery?
Because those give you verydifferent microbiomes.
You get nothing.
(09:19):
If you're born by a C-section,you got a you.
Basically you leave the monkeysin charge of the zoo, because
at that point what you get isjust what you get.
You don't.
There's no rhyme or reason, oryou get what your mom had as you
come through her vaginal canalgood or bad, right Right.
So there's your early lifewhere you brushed her bottle fed
.
That alters your microbiome.
(09:40):
Then what kind of childhood didyou have?
Did you have parents who wereavailable emotionally?
Did you have parents who weredistant?
Did you move around a lot?
Did you feel connected?
Did you have the bigger littleT traumas that stayed with you
and impacted your risk ofdeveloping a disease?
Were you sick as a kid?
I was sick all the time.
I had a strep, throat, earinfections, had pneumonia.
(10:02):
When I was a six month old, Iwas sick a lot as a baby and got
antibiotics, because I'm achild, that's 70.
So we did antibiotics all thetime, right.
So all these things start topile on and then and then it
comes into what are the choicesyou're making?
Are you so?
So I use myself as an examplebecause I made all the wrong
decisions.
Right.
I went to med school when Ishould not have gone to med
(10:23):
school because I'm strong like amouse, I'm not strong like a
bull.
I can't take a lot of, you know, insults and stress, but I went
to med school.
That was stressful and then Iwent to OB-GYN because you know,
I had to do the hardest thing.
So my, my desire to beproductive and my innate
constitution huge mismatch,right?
So the choices you make make adifference.
(10:45):
And then, within that, what areyou eating?
What are you choosing to eat?
Are you choosing to sleep, notsleep?
Do you drink alcohol?
Do you eat sugar?
All of these choices it's not amoral discussion.
Okay, you can drink alcohol allthe time.
You're not a bad human.
You just might not be a healthyhuman, right?
So?
So all of these things start topile on.
(11:05):
And now you have yourself.
And when you start to look at,how do we untangle the impact of
some bigger little tea trauma?
You have to take all of thatother thing into effect, into,
into the causality of how youfeel.
Yeah, it's a lot to unpack,right, right?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The way I streamlined it with my clients through the
world of neuromotional techniqueis it was Dr Walker came up
with the homerun formula and youput whatever issue we're
dealing with right At thatmoment on the pitcher's mound
and we run the bases.
Is there an emotional stressorthat's connected to it?
Which would be first base?
Second base would be toxicities.
Is there toxicities that you'vebeen exposed to that we need to
(11:46):
help remove from your bodyright In any way should you live
on this earth, right, right,whatever it is, yeah.
We're sitting here in front oftechnology and EMFs, right, so
those type of things, as I'mdoing, zoom all day right.
And then third base would benutritional deficiencies.
And then home plate isstructural and and, and you know
, coming out from that world, hefound that, you know, when you
do an adjustment it wouldn'theal over, and then, but it
(12:09):
should, right, the body shouldhave this innate healing when
you get rid of the thing.
But then you found out, okay,well, maybe there is an
emotional stressor.
We knew the toxin thing already.
The chiropractic is very builton that, right, they knew that
there was toxic loads and youknow the other thing in the
nutritional commitments.
But did they never thoughtabout the emotional side of
things?
And that's where NET startedgetting form formulated.
So now, when I'm working withclients, it's not just like
(12:29):
someone called me yesterdaybased exactly what you're saying
.
This person has anxiety,they're having panic attacks and
, great, what's their diet like?
Oh, he drinks a lot and has alot of sugar.
Are they willing to stop doingthat, because I can help you,
but it's going to come back orit's not going to get as good as
you need it to good.
Well, I don't think they'llstop doing that.
Well then, I'm not going totake them on as a client.
(12:53):
I think people need to realizeand, as you're listening to this
, listeners, right, there'sthose different layers of while
you're listening to this, duringa time of stress in the world,
there's things that we havecontrol over.
There's also things, like yousaid, from multiple generations,
and I even heard a study thatsaid with mice six generations
back that they were exposed to atoxin I'm not sure if this is a
(13:16):
famous study or not that theywere exposed to a toxin that
might have killed the generationthat drank it, that were
exposed to the poison.
They looked at the poison, theydied, but the mice that were
the next generation that saw itand that had children up to six
generations later, when thatpoison was put in front of the
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mice from the six generationslater and they did a blood draw
from those mice, it still had abiochemical response to that.
So we're talking aboutepigenetics in that regards,
right.
So stress is massive.
So we're talking aboutmicrobiome.
Just give, if you can give, aquick understanding of what the
(13:57):
microbiome is, just so thelisteners know what that means.
And two, when you're talkingabout stress loads, because I
know right, the name of yourbook is Dirty Girl and how to
ditch the toxins.
Look great and feel freakingamazing.
Let's just pivot into that alittle bit.
But I think understanding alittle bit of what the
microbiome is really doing andresponsible for and what that
(14:18):
means will help everybodyunderstand that.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And I think to do that, we should talk about what
I'll consider.
I call it the holy triad.
Okay, didn't call it the holytrinity because I didn't want to
.
It's not religious, sorry, it'salready taken.
No, it took my term.
So the holy triad.
So, and it matters because Ihealthy.
So the microbiome is the termthat we're using to discuss the
(14:44):
bacteria and the balance ofbacteria, parasites, yeast,
whatever you have in your gut,that's your microbiome, micro,
small biome.
I don't know what biome standsfor actually.
So that's your microbiome,that's what's in your gut.
However, what happens there isdirectly dependent on what are
you eating excuse me, keephitting my mic, sorry about that
(15:05):
directly to directly linked towhat are you eating, how are you
born, how do you live, what'sthe stress level you have, and
then what toxins are you'reexposed to.
Because what's happeningupstream why I call it the holy
triad is you have the adrenalglands or these like walnut,
pecan sized glands on top ofyour kidneys and your back and
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they are responsible for yourfight, flight or freeze response
.
They're responsible formaintaining your blood pressure.
They're responsible for whenyou're in menopause, if you're
female, for producing yourestradiol and your testosterone,
and so if your adrenals.
And your adrenals are amazingorgans but relatively dumb,
(15:46):
right.
So they're not necessarily.
This is why I said to you, thebig T in the little T don't
really matter, because youradrenals are either on or off.
If they're on, you're puttingout cortisol.
If they're off, they're not.
So if you have a stressor, youmay create higher levels of
cortisol, but you're going toput out cortisol.
And when you put out cortisol,if it's in high enough amounts,
(16:08):
that signals the liver, which isthe third stool, or third part
of the holy triad, to either dodetox and be healthy or put out
stores of sugar, because youhave to run from a lion that's
about to eat you.
We're super primitive.
We have not evolved past that.
Fight, flight or flightresponse or freeze.
(16:29):
We haven't evolved past that.
Even though we're thousands ofyears past that, we're still in
that pattern.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So we have not kept up A reptilian brain, right?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So even though you're like, oh, it's just my stupid
boss, oh, it's just, you know,when I was driving there were a
lot of crazy people on the roadtoday and I was like, oh, people
are out of their minds today,but my adrenals don't know that
it's just some idiot in a carnext to me.
They just know that I feelstressed.
Right, and the gut matters, butalso what's happening in the
(17:03):
adrenals and the liver matters,because if your adrenals say to
your liver, oh guys, you know, alion's coming, it also says to
the gut let's not focus on detoxright now, let's focus on
survival.
And in survival we don't digest.
We do get sugar from the liverso that we can run quickly.
We have cortisol coursingthrough our bodies and so the
(17:26):
food that you just ate in a mealand now you're stressed about
for some other reason is sittingthere rotting in your gut.
Then the bacteria that digestyou when you die are like oh,
school, we're psyched, we'reready to go, because they're
waiting, they're anaerobic,they're waiting for when there's
no activity and they kick in.
So then you go.
Why am I so glad?
Gassy imploded, right.
(17:47):
And that's because you'vethrown off the balance of gut,
just by having a stressfulthought or having a stressful
experience.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So people should not be going on CNN or Fox News
while they're eating, whetherit's on their laptop or on their
TV.
No, no, you're not looking atthat.
Is that what you're saying?
Is that what I'm picking uphere?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But I mean, here's the thing Gee said so many of us
are suffering from a lack ofconnection.
So the last thing you want todo when you're eating is be in
front of a screen.
What you want to do is be infront of a human and have a
conversation, if possible.
So you sort of compounded it indoubly right.
Not only are you not.
Mealtimes are a time ofconnection, an opportunity for
connection.
Now, you're not a bad person Ifyou do.
(18:28):
Again, this is not a moralconversation, this is a what's
works for your body conversation.
So if you sit in front of thescreen, you're more likely to
overeat, you're more likely toput cortisol out, you're more
likely to shut down your detox.
If you sit with a human, well,as long as they're not a toxic
human and you sit down with themand they started on you, that's
not any better, right?
You're better off being alonethan with someone who's toxic
(18:52):
for you.
And I was laughing when yousaid you wouldn't take someone
on if they weren't willing toalter their behavior.
Basically, and because I wouldsay about twice a year, I get
someone who I say to them Ican't help you because you're
for me.
I can't help someone if they'rein a toxic relationship that is
(19:12):
, either their marriage, orthey're a significant other, or
they're in a job that isabsolutely toxic, because it's
so much more powerful than anyof the supplements I can give or
any of the lifestyle.
Like you can't.
You can't polish a pig, right.
So like, or you can try, butit's not going to be effective,
right.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So it was a reverse from here.
It's like would you be willing,would this person be willing to
see a functional medicinepractitioner?
Because again, it's that handin hand for me of I have the
stuff that I can get into withinmy scope of practice and here's
the stuff that I can kind oflean into a little bit that's
technically within my scope ofpractice or not outside of my
scope of practice, and thenthere's the stuff that's not my
scope of practice but I knowwill work.
But those things have to gohand in hand.
(19:51):
So it does become a clear lineOne is a business professional
but two as, like, just thevalues, the core values of the
people that I want to work with.
Also right In that regard let'stalk about like I don't want to
be blamed for you're notgetting anywhere.
Now on the eighth practitioneryou worked with, Right, no, I've
said to people.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
look, I can count on one hand the number of times
I've said this this year.
But until you leave your andfill in the blank your toxic job
, marriage, relationship,whatever that is, that's more
powerful than any intervention.
Is a functional medicine,doctor, I can bring.
So that's going to override thesupplements, the acupuncture,
the hyperbaric oxygen, the IVs.
(20:28):
That's so much more powerful.
We can't go anywhere.
It's just the roadblock.
And I say that maybe twice ayear it's not that often, right,
Because most people can go ohright, I need to get out of
there and they will, but somepeople are stuck or feel like
they're stuck and that becomesthe roadblock.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Are there any tips or tricks?
Just from your perspectiveright, not psychology, but
you're a medical professionaland you are dealing with
pervasive a lot of timespervasive toxins Are there just
some mindset tips and tricksthat you do give when people are
helping navigate these toxicsituations, these toxic whether
(21:05):
it's people or environments?
I mean, I know theenvironment's gonna be a totally
different set of standards, butjust helping them from you know
the lifestyle overall and orpeople.
Is there any insights on that?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, totally.
I'm a huge fan of I think itwas a Verizon statement make
progress every day.
It's like the silliest littlething.
But I'm a huge fan of Romewasn't built overnight.
You're not going to be perfectovernight.
This is actually not even aboutperfection.
This is about improvement.
And so when you stand at thebase of the mountain and you
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look up, you go, oh wow, thatlooks really insurmountable, but
you just need to start climbingand don't worry about how far
you need to go, because it'sgoing to evolve as you go.
So my first thing that I talkedto people about is this is not a
perfection mindset.
This is not a I'm going to befinished with this mindset.
This is how can I make animprovement?
So when we're looking at, Ihave a couple of patients and
(22:01):
it's not like I fire peoplegenerally.
I only fire you for your jerk,right?
If you're a jerk and you meanto my staff, then you can't see
me, you can't be mean to mystaff, so I'll fire people for
that.
But otherwise I'm like okay,look, you can pay me and I'm not
going to be able to help you,but you can keep paying me and
I'll keep coaching you until youhave a breakthrough right, and
that'll come when it comes.
So what I usually say to peopleis okay, you're stuck in this
(22:24):
job or you're stuck in thismarriage.
How do we make the best of aterrible situation?
What is a boundary we can set?
Can you discuss with your bossor your colleague, or whatever
it is, that you're going to setsome boundaries, so you're not
going to work at six in themorning and you're not going to
work at 10 o'clock at night?
Instead of working 14 hours,maybe work 10 or even 13.
Go, make some improvement.
(22:45):
You don't have to go from 14hours to eight.
Go from 14 to 13.
Get used to it.
Make sure you tell people whatyou're up to.
Then go to 12.
Make consistent, chip away atit.
Make consistent improvement sothat when you look back or after
six months, you go oh yeah, sixmonths ago I was working 14
hours a day and every month Idecreased it by an hour, and now
(23:06):
I'm working eight hours a day.
So I'm looking for what areways that we can set some
boundaries that will work foryou, that will be maybe not like
jumping into a cold plunge, butwill just be consistent and
measured so that at the end ofit, you look back and you go, oh
, I made an improvement.
I owe a huge fan of labelingbehaviors, not people.
(23:27):
In fact, we don't call eachother names in our family, like
you're Lezy or you're stupid.
No, that was a dumb thing to do, but that's a behavior as
opposed to.
You're not intrinsically dumb,but I have teenagers and they
have terrible frontal cortexcontrol.
So what I'm always saying tothem is you know what?
Just don't make a really unsafechoice that will cause you not
(23:50):
to be around, because if youjust can live to like 25 to 30,
you're going to outgrow thisbehavior.
Just don't make any permanentchoices here.
So you know, like one of mykids got a tattoo and I was like
, okay, well, let's see ifyou're still happy with that in
50 years, right, or even 10years, but it's not my body,
it's not my problem, right?
So I'm just working with peopleto make consistent improvement.
(24:13):
Label behaviors, notpersonalities.
And then don't take stuffpersonally.
That's not yours.
Don't pick it up, right?
If there's trash on the ground,unless you're going to throw it
in the trash, do not pick it upand carry it around with you,
meaning someone around you islike nasty and grumpy and blah,
blah blah.
You either don't spend timewith them or reframe it Like oh,
(24:33):
it sounds like you know someonewho was complaining.
I was like it sounds like youhave a request, what's your
request?
And they're like I do have arequest.
I was like great, what's yourrequest?
Because I can't help yourcomplaint, but I can help you
with your request.
So try to hear the request andthe complaining so that you can
hear behind.
You know there's always arequest, they just don't know
how to see it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Well, so, yeah, I love those examples and
especially the mentor requestthing.
I remember had a client yearsago and everything in their life
was just chaos and they werejust like this, like artsy,
hippie-ish, you know, justwanted to like be a piece and
listen to music.
And I'm like, well, tell meabout the people in your life.
Well, this one has this goingon, and this one has this going
(25:14):
on, and my neighbor has this onegoing on.
And I'm like, okay, well, howdid how did those things become
your problem?
Well, you know this one timeright, and they're telling all
the stories and I'm like I tooka big gamble with this client.
It was a new client.
I knew that.
They were like what I was aboutto say was like clean enough
for me to get away with theirpersonality.
I'm like can you take your, canyou take your finger and put it
(25:35):
under your nose?
And they're like, okay, andthey do that in my office.
And I'm like does this there?
You go Like, does it smell likecrap?
Like what do you mean?
I'm like, well, you're stickingyour finger in everybody's butt
and now your life smells likeshit.
And she rolled off my couchonto my floor, cracking up
(25:57):
hysterically oh my God, oh myGod, I'm sticking my finger in
everybody's butts.
I'm like I didn't know you're agastroenterologist and you're
not getting paid to do that andyou're not wearing your glove
and right, and that metaphorstarted changing the boundary.
I was also like, oh crap, am Igoing to lose my license?
But it was the right person so.
But that changed the paradigmof like I'm willingly doing this
(26:21):
and I'm willingly settingmyself up for these type of
things, but yet I'm blamingeverything else around me.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But you just brought up a really good point, jason,
that I'd like to highlight,please, which is people are
driven by something and that'salways a future.
Even if they haven'tarticulated it, we're always
living into a future.
Why should I exercise?
I want to feel good now and in10 years.
Why do you take care ofyourself?
I don't want to be a burden onmy children.
Why are you working so hard?
(26:48):
I want to retire.
Well, there's always somethingin the future we're living
forward into, and most peoplearen't really clear what their
future is, and so, even justworking with them, what I do is
I'm like okay, well, why are youdoing that?
Like, what future are youliving into?
If we go back to that toxicrelationship, the toxic job, the
toxic marriage, what are yougetting by staying in a
(27:08):
relationship that's not workingfor you?
And maybe we need to look atthe future that you are living
for to see if we can alter thatfuture so that your present
alters.
Right, and getting the futureclear makes such a big
difference for people, becausethen they go oh well, this is a
good system.
With that, I'm out, right.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So the rules of engagement that people create.
I had someone that I saw at oneof my conferences and we're
working.
You know, one of the beautifulthings about the NET community
is when we have a workshop, wethen do breakout groups and we
work on something for like 30minutes and swap back and forth
and then we go back into thenext thing that they teach us.
And I was talking to someoneand they were telling me about
(27:50):
their relationship and I'm like,have you guys seen like couples
counselor before?
No, like tell me more, right,I'm just curious and give me
some examples of how they wouldconsistently treat you, not the
one offs.
And I'm like kind of kind ofsounds a little bit like
emotional abuse.
And let me pull up the chart ofyou know the emotional abuse.
You know, with verbal andemotional abuse looks like from
you know the wheel of the wheelof abuse.
(28:12):
And let me tell me if any ofthese things are happening.
And A person said, oh my God,yeah, these things are happening
.
I'm like, well, have you everput a name to these things?
Versus like I'm being treatedlike crap or I don't like how
I'm being treated, and I'm like,well, what would it be like if
you started you know, if thisperson's not going to go to
therapy with you, what would itbe like to just start
(28:32):
identifying that which is I'mbeing abused?
No doesn't mean you have to bea victim.
It means that you can starttaking, you know, but you have
to re, re, re, re, calibrateyour framework of what's going
on versus like I'm in astressful relationship.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, and I'm.
I'm even thinking like, okaythat you're ex, you're on the
receiving end of abuse.
Not that you're being right,you're being this, isn't that
you're you're not right.
You're experiencing somethingand and I have four kids and and
a husband and we have a wholebunch of businesses, and so
(29:06):
we're always on the go.
But my favorite thing to sayand I'll give this to all the
listeners my favorite thing tosay in response to something
that I think is cockamamie orisn't going to work is that
doesn't work for me, just likethat.
I'm never nasty.
I'm like no, that doesn't workfor me.
No, we're not going to stay upuntil 1130.
That doesn't work for me.
Yeah, no, we're not going toeat sugar for dinner.
(29:27):
That doesn't work for me.
No, we're not going to whatever.
Fill in the blank, because Ihave four kids.
They come up with all kinds ofwacko stuff, and then I have a
husband who you know that whitechromosome, Jason, is like well,
so the five, the five kids,yeah, four and a half and he's
an adult.
but yeah, I would come on likewhat?
No, no, that doesn't work forme.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, well, that boundary standard, right that
phrase, and I've shared thatwith, with, with people.
When I learned that a bunch ofyears ago for myself, it's
actually I got it from parentingwith love and logic.
I don't know if you've everseen those books, right, so
that's one of the like.
I'll let you know what worksfor me.
That's like one of the great.
That's like to have a list oflike one-liners that you can say
to a kid, but they also havefour couples as well.
I'm like, oh, that's so great.
I'll let you know which isexactly what you're saying.
(30:08):
I'll let you know what worksfor me is really such a powerful
and people are afraid to dothat Because one, we don't want
to hurt anybody.
Two, we don't want to offendanybody.
Three, it's the unconsciousbelief that we're responsible
for someone else's feelings andwell-being when we're not.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Don't be a dick.
My 14-year-old son.
I'm kind of this free-rangeparent.
I'm like don't get lost orstolen and do your work and
we're going to be fine.
I'm not a helicopter parent atall.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Here's an air tag.
Go on, I'll see you later yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Just do your thing.
So my first two kids did verywell with that parenting
approach.
My first two kids, they didtheir work.
One's you know, one in college,the next one is applying to
college.
I'm like do you need help?
They're like no, I'm good.
Okay, I get to my third kid,and my third kid is not doing
well with this parentingapproach because my third kid is
a boy who is now addicted toMinecraft.
And so we were like wait, notonly I really don't care how
(31:04):
much Minecraft you play, as longas you sleep, eat, move your
body and do your damn homework.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
A shower once in a while.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, he drives that that's not something I have to
argue with him about.
He's like oh, I'm like, okay,have at it Go show, Okay good.
He's fine.
But it was so interestingbecause we, after we figured out
you're not doing your work,you're just not, you're totally
thrown off by this Minecraftthing we put in controls that we
never had to do with our otherkids.
(31:33):
So first we started with ascreen time, blew through right,
right, right through that, andthen we ultimately landed on a
software that allows us toliterally turn on or off access
to every specific thing awebsite, an app, screen time, we
can shut the computer down.
It's, it's fantastic, but it'slike a tyrant, right, we're
going to do what we say.
(31:53):
So he said to me you'redominating me, you're making me
do this and I'm a victim.
I'm like hold on, I get that.
You don't like this control.
I don't blame you, I wouldn'tlike it either, but we
instituted this in reaction toyour behavior, right?
So we?
We weren't just like let'storture our 14 year old boy and
restrict his Minecraft.
(32:13):
No, our 14 year old stoppeddoing his work and stopped being
a functioning member of ourfamily, and so we instituted
these controls.
These controls were caused byyou.
We did not cause them, youcaused them and he.
He still believes and maintainsthat he's a victim, and I'm
like so I'll keep you posted onthat.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But he's yeah, well, it's like what can he do right
now?
I would turn it on him If I'mlike so how do we get your
parents off your back?
What do you need to be doing?
What do you need to takeaccountability and ownership
over so your, so mom and daddon't have to spend their time
thinking about you in that wayanymore?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, I actually offered him a tutor like a month
and a half goes.
No, I'm good, I'm good.
So two nights ago I sent him.
Look, I love you to pieces.
I really value our relationshipand my role as your parent.
The way I see my role is I amyour guru.
I'm the person you should go towith questions.
I'm your cheerleader.
I am not your time guardian.
(33:07):
And are you doing your work.
That's not my role.
So I said you're getting atutor and that tutor is going to
do your work with you, becauseI can't even do your math.
You're doing college level mathin high school.
That's not my thing.
So I said you're going to get atutor and when you are
mastering it you can get rid ofyour tutor, and if the tutor
doesn't work, we're going tokeep the tutor and then we're
going to add on a therapist.
So how this goes is totally upto you.
(33:28):
And he was like the only thinghe got from that was like how
long do I have to have the tutorfor?
And I said as long as it takesfor you to do your work, do an
impeccable job and be amazing.
And then I said I really don'tcare.
If you have a half hour to anhour of Minecraft a day, I don't
care, but right now you're notdoing your work.
So, yeah, so we'll see.
I mean, it's a work in progress, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, that's why I love that love and logic theory.
Well, you can play as muchMinecraft as you want and you
have to do all these things.
Which ones do you want to dofirst?
But if you don't accomplish allthose things, then there will
be a consequence paradigm.
Right, and I love that.
Or no reward, or no reward,right, right, there's no reward,
which is right, that's the but,but it's oh well.
You chose further for there tobe no reward, child, because you
(34:08):
made the decisions for thereward not to exist by you not
doing what you said you're goingto do.
So I love that.
That, that that setting up ofpersonal accountability and
consequence.
I just want to tie back intothat last story of that person
who I saw recently, who I hadthat conversation with, Cause
again this woman this is the no,no, no, the one with the, with
the abuse, right, and and againgoing into, like stress and
toxins, like not realize.
(34:30):
Oh, it's okay if I have mypumpkin spice latte once a week,
maybe I don't know but we alsolike what's the sugar content
and what's the right, and allthe food chemicals and all the
other stuff that, like you know,and the plastic leaching in all
of our cups and all those whichyou know.
Read the book, right, I need toget into that right now, but
read her book.
So, but the idea.
But then I saw this personagain and it was six to eight
(34:52):
months later.
They got divorced and I wasblown away.
I'm like, wow, that's like.
But it was like just this likemind shifting thing of like what
you said, of like, if you don'trealize that, like you have all
these things going on over here, but yet you don't even realize
this because we're justprogrammed right, society like
you talk about, and thefunctional medicine world, like
(35:13):
we're predisposed to purchasingthings and buying things.
And now, it's right, we're notin the middle of flu season.
What do we?
What you and I know, it's notflu season, it's sugar season.
It's always sugar season, it'salways well, even more.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I said sugar is the devil.
I'm waiting for the meme tocome.
Sugar is the devil, sugar isthe devil.
That's your next book, right?
Sugar is the devil.
It's terrible, so it's.
But it's always sugar season,right?
Because we get through that.
And then we're like oh, it'sValentine's Day, oh it's
Memorial Day, oh it's 4th ofJuly, so it just never ends.
Yeah, it's not stopped.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I know we have to be mindful with time, but I know
that you have a offer for ourlisteners, so why don't you just
share that with us?
And also?
It's also where they can comeand find you.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yes it is.
So I am on all the socials atWendyTruboMD, and then we have a
gift for the listeners Ifyou're not sure you want to read
the book, or if we have a quizto figure out how toxic you are,
which is a little bit.
We haven't talked about exactlytoxicity as much as we've
talked about just that smallpart of stress and emotions.
But there's that whole world oftoxicity, what you put in you,
(36:17):
what you put on you, what'saround you.
So we have a quiz that you canhelp figure out.
How toxic am I?
How big of a deal is this?
We have a non-toxic guide tohealthy living so you can start
leveling up.
That has all the things right.
I did all the mistakes so youdon't have to.
I know what you should use sothat you can clean it up.
And then it's chapter one ofthe book, so you can see do I
like the style?
Do I like how it reads?
Can I communicate with thishuman?
(36:38):
So that's all at drwendycomforward slash gift.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I love it and, just as a side note, with learning,
toxicities and where we'retalking about adrenals, but also
another time, maybe in thefuture, we can talk about the
thyroid and all this stuffthat's going on Hashimoto's and
everybody has thyroid stuffgoing on, and especially when it
comes to women's health, whichis right at your side of OBGYN,
where with pregnancies and howmany people are having
(37:03):
miscarriages and how many thingsare going back to that and the
toxic loads, and thenHashimoto's or thyroid, what's
the antibodies, how going upafter pregnancy and stuff like
that.
I have someone I know that hadthat.
And then we're like workingwith a functional medicine
person and they're like, well,we're checking out mold as the
(37:25):
precursor to all these thingsgoing on.
And guess what?
Mold is one of those big things, especially with mental health,
and that we don't even knowwhat to look into.
So everybody, please, please,please, go check out the website
at drwendycom, forward slashgift, check out her book Dirty
Girl, the ditch, the toxins lookgreat and feel freaking amazing
(37:45):
.
It's available everywhere andif you like more of this,
obviously go.
You know you've been on a bunchof other interviews.
So please, if you want more ofall the different topics she
talks about, check out any ofher other podcast interviews and
just go right to her site.
And Wendy, again, thank you somuch and hopefully in the future
we'll go into some of thoseother things.
As you know, I always like moreand more functional medicine
stuff in front of my community.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, thank you, jason.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I have so pressure.
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so you, too, can be winning life.
Now here's your host licensedmarriage and family therapist,
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
All right, everybody, welcome back to another awesome
episode of you Winning Life and, as you know, we have Dr Wendy
Trebo who is hanging out with us.
Not only is she an MD, but sheis a specialist in integrative
and functional medicine.
She's a certified practitionerand specializes in functional
medicine gynecology.
So, as we talked about in theintro, you're going to hear that
(00:58):
we're going to go all over intoa bunch of different things,
including environmental stuff aswell as toxins.
But right off the bat numberone, I want to just get into the
idea of stress and the stressthat we're facing all over in
the world and how that affectsus and how that actually affects
our health.
So, as you said before, the10,000 foot view.
(01:19):
Let's start off with the 10,000foot view of that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Thanks for having me on, jason Sure.
So I think you want to think.
The first thing that'simportant to recognize is that
stress is everywhere and it's inanything, so it can be.
What are you thinking?
What kind of thoughts are youhaving that are having a
negative impact on your healthbecause they occur as stressful?
(01:44):
I'll give you an example in amoment.
Or they could be something likethe people around you, or the
fact that, if you're like me,you're overbooked and you're
running around from place toplace and so you don't have the
downtime you need.
Or it could be some behaviorsthat you're engaging in and I'm
always very careful to sayyou're not a bad person, you're
(02:06):
a great person and you mighthave behaviors that aren't
working for you well and they'recreating stress in the system.
So there's a lot of differentways you can get to that and
really anything can be astressor.
So the food you're eating couldbe a stressor if it's not in
your best interest.
So I'm very quick to say, okay,that's a stressor, that's a
stressor, that's a stressor.
And people are like boy, that'snot a stressor.
(02:26):
I'm like that's a stressor.
You don't feel good when itoccurs.
It creates a state of angst.
That's a stressor.
So it's a pretty broad, broaddefinition.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So when people are talking now about like trauma
right, and I know this way and Ikind of differentiate this as a
therapist where you have twokinds of types of trauma your
nervous system doesn't alwaysdistinguish between something
that's really massive andsomething that's small.
There's still gonna be sometype of biofeedback and
biochemistry response that'sgoing on.
(02:56):
But is there a perspective fromyour insights as far as, like
capital T traumas and lowercaseT traumas and how that affects
us and what goes through thesystem and how you would look at
that as one, as a medicaldoctor, but also when it comes
to the integrative health sideof it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm gonna tiptoe here , right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm not a trauma expert, but what I would say is
that once the trauma mechanismor system or motor gets
activated, it doesn't reallymatter if it's a bigger little T
if you've activated the system.
So it's like that saying youcan't walk a mile into anyone
else's shoes.
So what you experience as alittle T, I experience as a big
(03:37):
T.
And so I would start there andsay, okay, your experience is
what's important.
Now what we think of yourexperience.
So don't let anybody tell you,oh, who cares, that's not a big
deal.
No, to you it's a big deal.
So you're experiencing it.
It's still setting off youradrenal dysfunction and you're
shutting down the liver andyou're shutting down your detox.
(03:59):
So it has the same impact,whether it's big or little.
Maybe if you experience it as alittle T, even if it's a big T,
it might have lesser of animpact on your adrenal, liver
and gut access, but it's stillhaving an impact.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, the way I think about it is and this is kind of
setting up for that next littlesegment, especially as it
relates back to your book is themicrobiome right?
And when we're talking abouttreatment or solving some
medical related, health relatedstuff, this one size fits all
approach Right again, comingfrom the psychology world, it
(04:34):
was.
You know, you sit and you justtalk and then the sessions up
versus what are the differentapproaches we can take to solve
this?
What are the different theories, methodologies, different
lenses we can take on and off?
My understanding and feel freeto, you know, take this where
you wanna go with this is thatthe linear approach to solving
stress, the linear approach tosolving how our body handles
(04:57):
that.
And what I'm including, likewhat you just said, is the idea
of stress is what are you beingexposed to?
Whether it's environmentalstuff, whether it's food,
whether it's, you know,bacterial, viral, you know all
these different things.
It's not a one size fits alljourney, especially when it
comes to healing.
So two people can be exposed tothe same toxin and have very
different responses and one canhave a response and one cannot
(05:18):
have a response.
So I was wondering if you cantalk a little bit more of what
that means and what that lookslike.
Those misunderstandings of thatapproach right when it comes to
this, one size fits all.
And how does you know toxinsand stress go hand in hand and
affecting people differently?
And jump off.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
There's a lot to unpack there, jason, that sounds
like a really good questionyeah, I know?
right, like you know, can youjust discuss that?
But that's one of those massivequestions, okay, so let's sort
of take a step back.
You're born and you have yourgenetics.
That is your book of life.
You get it from both yourparents.
You can have mutations, you canhave an enhancement, whatever
(06:01):
right, this is what you're bornwith.
And then, alongside your DNA,is your epigenetics.
Those are the methylationfactors that will cause your DNA
to either express, turn on, beactive or go dormant.
So, for example, so I'm notgonna be able to say to you okay
, this happened, and then thishappened and then this caused
that epigenetic change.
But what I will say is thatwhen you think about and this is
(06:24):
near and dear to my heart,because I have celiac, I'm the
president of National CeliacAssociation and a much greater
percentage of people have celiacthat and don't know it.
But an even greater number ofpeople are gluten sensitive and
don't realize it.
So my goal is okay, how do weprevent people from getting
celiac Cause?
Nobody should be as restrictedas I am around gluten in terms
(06:45):
of eating out.
So, okay, 40% of the populationhas the, the gene for celiac,
but only 1% of the populationhas celiac approximately.
That's epigenetics.
So the fact that you have thatgene but it hasn't been
expressed or it hasn't turned on, versus where I have that gene
and it has been turned on and Ihave that autoimmune disease as
(07:06):
a result.
That's the impact of theepigenetics, and the epigenetics
are the stressors that occur toyour ancestors.
And really cool, jason, reallycool.
I remember driving home frombeing in Western Mass.
I live in Massachusetts, we'redriving from Western Mass and
this report comes on on NPRabout this these epigeneticsists
(07:27):
in Sweden pretty sure it wasSweden and they looked back.
There was a very small town inSweden and they kept very, very
meticulous records on theirpeople who lived in the town.
And what they found was whenthey looked back, excuse me, was
that if your grandfather okay,so we're talking two generations
down back if your grandfatherhad a feast when you, when he
(07:53):
was going through puberty it'smore the grandfathers than the
grandmother in this case thenhis offspring were significantly
more likely to have diabetes,heart disease and died on
average six years earlier thanthe general population.
Then they looked at theopposite and said, okay, well,
what happens if your ancestorwent through a famine?
And they found that if yourgrandfather went through a
(08:15):
famine as he was going throughpuberty.
His offspring weresignificantly more likely to
live 25 years longer than thegeneral population and
significantly less likely tohave diabetes, heart disease or
die early.
So we have a 31 year spread inthe lifespan based on something
(08:36):
that's totally out of yourcontrol.
Okay, and so that's the impactof epigenetics.
Now I've forgotten, hold on.
You asked me something and Iwas like that's a lot to unpack,
but, but I went off on theepigenetics because some of this
is out of our control and someof it's in our control.
All stress is not bad.
Too much stress is bad, right.
So so the thing that causesyour genes to express or not
(08:58):
express can impact how yourespond to a stressor in your
lifetime or a toxin in yourlifetime.
So, okay, you've got yourgenetics.
Then you've got your.
How you were born?
Were you born via a vaginalbirth or were you born via
cesarean delivery?
Because those give you verydifferent microbiomes.
You get nothing.
(09:19):
If you're born by a C-section,you got a you.
Basically you leave the monkeysin charge of the zoo, because
at that point what you get isjust what you get.
You don't.
There's no rhyme or reason, oryou get what your mom had as you
come through her vaginal canalgood or bad, right Right.
So there's your early lifewhere you brushed her bottle fed
.
That alters your microbiome.
(09:40):
Then what kind of childhood didyou have?
Did you have parents who wereavailable emotionally?
Did you have parents who weredistant?
Did you move around a lot?
Did you feel connected?
Did you have the bigger littleT traumas that stayed with you
and impacted your risk ofdeveloping a disease?
Were you sick as a kid?
I was sick all the time.
I had a strep, throat, earinfections, had pneumonia.
(10:02):
When I was a six month old, Iwas sick a lot as a baby and got
antibiotics, because I'm achild, that's 70.
So we did antibiotics all thetime, right.
So all these things start topile on and then and then it
comes into what are the choicesyou're making?
Are you so?
So I use myself as an examplebecause I made all the wrong
decisions.
Right.
I went to med school when Ishould not have gone to med
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school because I'm strong like amouse, I'm not strong like a
bull.
I can't take a lot of, you know, insults and stress, but I went
to med school.
That was stressful and then Iwent to OB-GYN because you know,
I had to do the hardest thing.
So my, my desire to beproductive and my innate
constitution huge mismatch,right?
So the choices you make make adifference.
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And then, within that, what areyou eating?
What are you choosing to eat?
Are you choosing to sleep, notsleep?
Do you drink alcohol?
Do you eat sugar?
All of these choices it's not amoral discussion.
Okay, you can drink alcohol allthe time.
You're not a bad human.
You just might not be a healthyhuman, right?
So?
So all of these things start topile on.
(11:05):
And now you have yourself.
And when you start to look at,how do we untangle the impact of
some bigger little tea trauma?
You have to take all of thatother thing into effect, into,
into the causality of how youfeel.
Yeah, it's a lot to unpack,right, right?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The way I streamlined it with my clients through the
world of neuromotional techniqueis it was Dr Walker came up
with the homerun formula and youput whatever issue we're
dealing with right At thatmoment on the pitcher's mound
and we run the bases.
Is there an emotional stressorthat's connected to it?
Which would be first base?
Second base would be toxicities.
Is there toxicities that you'vebeen exposed to that we need to
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help remove from your bodyright In any way should you live
on this earth, right, right,whatever it is, yeah.
We're sitting here in front oftechnology and EMFs, right, so
those type of things, as I'mdoing, zoom all day right.
And then third base would benutritional deficiencies.
And then home plate isstructural and and, and you know
, coming out from that world, hefound that, you know, when you
do an adjustment it wouldn'theal over, and then, but it
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should, right, the body shouldhave this innate healing when
you get rid of the thing.
But then you found out, okay,well, maybe there is an
emotional stressor.
We knew the toxin thing already.
The chiropractic is very builton that, right, they knew that
there was toxic loads and youknow the other thing in the
nutritional commitments.
But did they never thoughtabout the emotional side of
things?
And that's where NET startedgetting form formulated.
So now, when I'm working withclients, it's not just like
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someone called me yesterdaybased exactly what you're saying
.
This person has anxiety,they're having panic attacks and
, great, what's their diet like?
Oh, he drinks a lot and has alot of sugar.
Are they willing to stop doingthat, because I can help you,
but it's going to come back orit's not going to get as good as
you need it to good.
Well, I don't think they'llstop doing that.
Well then, I'm not going totake them on as a client.
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I think people need to realizeand, as you're listening to this
, listeners, right, there'sthose different layers of while
you're listening to this, duringa time of stress in the world,
there's things that we havecontrol over.
There's also things, like yousaid, from multiple generations,
and I even heard a study thatsaid with mice six generations
back that they were exposed to atoxin I'm not sure if this is a
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famous study or not that theywere exposed to a toxin that
might have killed the generationthat drank it, that were
exposed to the poison.
They looked at the poison, theydied, but the mice that were
the next generation that saw itand that had children up to six
generations later, when thatpoison was put in front of the
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mice from the six generationslater and they did a blood draw
from those mice, it still had abiochemical response to that.
So we're talking aboutepigenetics in that regards,
right.
So stress is massive.
So we're talking aboutmicrobiome.
Just give, if you can give, aquick understanding of what the
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microbiome is, just so thelisteners know what that means.
And two, when you're talkingabout stress loads, because I
know right, the name of yourbook is Dirty Girl and how to
ditch the toxins.
Look great and feel freakingamazing.
Let's just pivot into that alittle bit.
But I think understanding alittle bit of what the
microbiome is really doing andresponsible for and what that
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means will help everybodyunderstand that.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And I think to do that, we should talk about what
I'll consider.
I call it the holy triad.
Okay, didn't call it the holytrinity because I didn't want to
.
It's not religious, sorry, it'salready taken.
No, it took my term.
So the holy triad.
So, and it matters because Ihealthy.
So the microbiome is the termthat we're using to discuss the
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bacteria and the balance ofbacteria, parasites, yeast,
whatever you have in your gut,that's your microbiome, micro,
small biome.
I don't know what biome standsfor actually.
So that's your microbiome,that's what's in your gut.
However, what happens there isdirectly dependent on what are
you eating excuse me, keephitting my mic, sorry about that
(15:05):
directly to directly linked towhat are you eating, how are you
born, how do you live, what'sthe stress level you have, and
then what toxins are you'reexposed to.
Because what's happeningupstream why I call it the holy
triad is you have the adrenalglands or these like walnut,
pecan sized glands on top ofyour kidneys and your back and
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they are responsible for yourfight, flight or freeze response
.
They're responsible formaintaining your blood pressure.
They're responsible for whenyou're in menopause, if you're
female, for producing yourestradiol and your testosterone,
and so if your adrenals.
And your adrenals are amazingorgans but relatively dumb,
(15:46):
right.
So they're not necessarily.
This is why I said to you, thebig T in the little T don't
really matter, because youradrenals are either on or off.
If they're on, you're puttingout cortisol.
If they're off, they're not.
So if you have a stressor, youmay create higher levels of
cortisol, but you're going toput out cortisol.
And when you put out cortisol,if it's in high enough amounts,
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that signals the liver, which isthe third stool, or third part
of the holy triad, to either dodetox and be healthy or put out
stores of sugar, because youhave to run from a lion that's
about to eat you.
We're super primitive.
We have not evolved past that.
Fight, flight or flightresponse or freeze.
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We haven't evolved past that.
Even though we're thousands ofyears past that, we're still in
that pattern.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So we have not kept up A reptilian brain, right?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So even though you're like, oh, it's just my stupid
boss, oh, it's just, you know,when I was driving there were a
lot of crazy people on the roadtoday and I was like, oh, people
are out of their minds today,but my adrenals don't know that
it's just some idiot in a carnext to me.
They just know that I feelstressed.
Right, and the gut matters, butalso what's happening in the
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adrenals and the liver matters,because if your adrenals say to
your liver, oh guys, you know, alion's coming, it also says to
the gut let's not focus on detoxright now, let's focus on
survival.
And in survival we don't digest.
We do get sugar from the liverso that we can run quickly.
We have cortisol coursingthrough our bodies and so the
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food that you just ate in a mealand now you're stressed about
for some other reason is sittingthere rotting in your gut.
Then the bacteria that digestyou when you die are like oh,
school, we're psyched, we'reready to go, because they're
waiting, they're anaerobic,they're waiting for when there's
no activity and they kick in.
So then you go.
Why am I so glad?
Gassy imploded, right.
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And that's because you'vethrown off the balance of gut,
just by having a stressfulthought or having a stressful
experience.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So people should not be going on CNN or Fox News
while they're eating, whetherit's on their laptop or on their
TV.
No, no, you're not looking atthat.
Is that what you're saying?
Is that what I'm picking uphere?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
But I mean, here's the thing Gee said so many of us
are suffering from a lack ofconnection.
So the last thing you want todo when you're eating is be in
front of a screen.
What you want to do is be infront of a human and have a
conversation, if possible.
So you sort of compounded it indoubly right.
Not only are you not.
Mealtimes are a time ofconnection, an opportunity for
connection.
Now, you're not a bad person Ifyou do.
(18:28):
Again, this is not a moralconversation, this is a what's
works for your body conversation.
So if you sit in front of thescreen, you're more likely to
overeat, you're more likely toput cortisol out, you're more
likely to shut down your detox.
If you sit with a human, well,as long as they're not a toxic
human and you sit down with themand they started on you, that's
not any better, right?
You're better off being alonethan with someone who's toxic
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for you.
And I was laughing when yousaid you wouldn't take someone
on if they weren't willing toalter their behavior.
Basically, and because I wouldsay about twice a year, I get
someone who I say to them Ican't help you because you're
for me.
I can't help someone if they'rein a toxic relationship that is
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, either their marriage, orthey're a significant other, or
they're in a job that isabsolutely toxic, because it's
so much more powerful than anyof the supplements I can give or
any of the lifestyle.
Like you can't.
You can't polish a pig, right.
So like, or you can try, butit's not going to be effective,
right.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So it was a reverse from here.
It's like would you be willing,would this person be willing to
see a functional medicinepractitioner?
Because again, it's that handin hand for me of I have the
stuff that I can get into withinmy scope of practice and here's
the stuff that I can kind oflean into a little bit that's
technically within my scope ofpractice or not outside of my
scope of practice, and thenthere's the stuff that's not my
scope of practice but I knowwill work.
But those things have to gohand in hand.
(19:51):
So it does become a clear lineOne is a business professional
but two as, like, just thevalues, the core values of the
people that I want to work with.
Also right In that regard let'stalk about like I don't want to
be blamed for you're notgetting anywhere.
Now on the eighth practitioneryou worked with, Right, no, I've
said to people.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
look, I can count on one hand the number of times
I've said this this year.
But until you leave your andfill in the blank your toxic job
, marriage, relationship,whatever that is, that's more
powerful than any intervention.
Is a functional medicine,doctor, I can bring.
So that's going to override thesupplements, the acupuncture,
the hyperbaric oxygen, the IVs.
(20:28):
That's so much more powerful.
We can't go anywhere.
It's just the roadblock.
And I say that maybe twice ayear it's not that often, right,
Because most people can go ohright, I need to get out of
there and they will, but somepeople are stuck or feel like
they're stuck and that becomesthe roadblock.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Are there any tips or tricks?
Just from your perspectiveright, not psychology, but
you're a medical professionaland you are dealing with
pervasive a lot of timespervasive toxins Are there just
some mindset tips and tricksthat you do give when people are
helping navigate these toxicsituations, these toxic whether
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it's people or environments?
I mean, I know theenvironment's gonna be a totally
different set of standards, butjust helping them from you know
the lifestyle overall and orpeople.
Is there any insights on that?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, totally.
I'm a huge fan of I think itwas a Verizon statement make
progress every day.
It's like the silliest littlething.
But I'm a huge fan of Romewasn't built overnight.
You're not going to be perfectovernight.
This is actually not even aboutperfection.
This is about improvement.
And so when you stand at thebase of the mountain and you
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look up, you go, oh wow, thatlooks really insurmountable, but
you just need to start climbingand don't worry about how far
you need to go, because it'sgoing to evolve as you go.
So my first thing that I talkedto people about is this is not a
perfection mindset.
This is not a I'm going to befinished with this mindset.
This is how can I make animprovement?
So when we're looking at, Ihave a couple of patients and
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it's not like I fire peoplegenerally.
I only fire you for your jerk,right?
If you're a jerk and you meanto my staff, then you can't see
me, you can't be mean to mystaff, so I'll fire people for
that.
But otherwise I'm like okay,look, you can pay me and I'm not
going to be able to help you,but you can keep paying me and
I'll keep coaching you until youhave a breakthrough right, and
that'll come when it comes.
So what I usually say to peopleis okay, you're stuck in this
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job or you're stuck in thismarriage.
How do we make the best of aterrible situation?
What is a boundary we can set?
Can you discuss with your bossor your colleague, or whatever
it is, that you're going to setsome boundaries, so you're not
going to work at six in themorning and you're not going to
work at 10 o'clock at night?
Instead of working 14 hours,maybe work 10 or even 13.
Go, make some improvement.
(22:45):
You don't have to go from 14hours to eight.
Go from 14 to 13.
Get used to it.
Make sure you tell people whatyou're up to.
Then go to 12.
Make consistent, chip away atit.
Make consistent improvement sothat when you look back or after
six months, you go oh yeah, sixmonths ago I was working 14
hours a day and every month Idecreased it by an hour, and now
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I'm working eight hours a day.
So I'm looking for what areways that we can set some
boundaries that will work foryou, that will be maybe not like
jumping into a cold plunge, butwill just be consistent and
measured so that at the end ofit, you look back and you go, oh
, I made an improvement.
I owe a huge fan of labelingbehaviors, not people.
(23:27):
In fact, we don't call eachother names in our family, like
you're Lezy or you're stupid.
No, that was a dumb thing to do, but that's a behavior as
opposed to.
You're not intrinsically dumb,but I have teenagers and they
have terrible frontal cortexcontrol.
So what I'm always saying tothem is you know what?
Just don't make a really unsafechoice that will cause you not
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to be around, because if youjust can live to like 25 to 30,
you're going to outgrow thisbehavior.
Just don't make any permanentchoices here.
So you know, like one of mykids got a tattoo and I was like
, okay, well, let's see ifyou're still happy with that in
50 years, right, or even 10years, but it's not my body,
it's not my problem, right?
So I'm just working with peopleto make consistent improvement.
(24:13):
Label behaviors, notpersonalities.
And then don't take stuffpersonally.
That's not yours.
Don't pick it up, right?
If there's trash on the ground,unless you're going to throw it
in the trash, do not pick it upand carry it around with you,
meaning someone around you islike nasty and grumpy and blah,
blah blah.
You either don't spend timewith them or reframe it Like oh,
(24:33):
it sounds like you know someonewho was complaining.
I was like it sounds like youhave a request, what's your
request?
And they're like I do have arequest.
I was like great, what's yourrequest?
Because I can't help yourcomplaint, but I can help you
with your request.
So try to hear the request andthe complaining so that you can
hear behind.
You know there's always arequest, they just don't know
how to see it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Well, so, yeah, I love those examples and
especially the mentor requestthing.
I remember had a client yearsago and everything in their life
was just chaos and they werejust like this, like artsy,
hippie-ish, you know, justwanted to like be a piece and
listen to music.
And I'm like, well, tell meabout the people in your life.
Well, this one has this goingon, and this one has this going
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on, and my neighbor has this onegoing on.
And I'm like, okay, well, howdid how did those things become
your problem?
Well, you know this one timeright, and they're telling all
the stories and I'm like I tooka big gamble with this client.
It was a new client.
I knew that.
They were like what I was aboutto say was like clean enough
for me to get away with theirpersonality.
I'm like can you take your, canyou take your finger and put it
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under your nose?
And they're like, okay, andthey do that in my office.
And I'm like does this there?
You go Like, does it smell likecrap?
Like what do you mean?
I'm like, well, you're stickingyour finger in everybody's butt
and now your life smells likeshit.
And she rolled off my couchonto my floor, cracking up
(25:57):
hysterically oh my God, oh myGod, I'm sticking my finger in
everybody's butts.
I'm like I didn't know you're agastroenterologist and you're
not getting paid to do that andyou're not wearing your glove
and right, and that metaphorstarted changing the boundary.
I was also like, oh crap, am Igoing to lose my license?
But it was the right person so.
But that changed the paradigmof like I'm willingly doing this
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and I'm willingly settingmyself up for these type of
things, but yet I'm blamingeverything else around me.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But you just brought up a really good point, jason,
that I'd like to highlight,please, which is people are
driven by something and that'salways a future.
Even if they haven'tarticulated it, we're always
living into a future.
Why should I exercise?
I want to feel good now and in10 years.
Why do you take care ofyourself?
I don't want to be a burden onmy children.
Why are you working so hard?
(26:48):
I want to retire.
Well, there's always somethingin the future we're living
forward into, and most peoplearen't really clear what their
future is, and so, even justworking with them, what I do is
I'm like okay, well, why are youdoing that?
Like, what future are youliving into?
If we go back to that toxicrelationship, the toxic job, the
toxic marriage, what are yougetting by staying in a
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relationship that's not workingfor you?
And maybe we need to look atthe future that you are living
for to see if we can alter thatfuture so that your present
alters.
Right, and getting the futureclear makes such a big
difference for people, becausethen they go oh well, this is a
good system.
With that, I'm out, right.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
So the rules of engagement that people create.
I had someone that I saw at oneof my conferences and we're
working.
You know, one of the beautifulthings about the NET community
is when we have a workshop, wethen do breakout groups and we
work on something for like 30minutes and swap back and forth
and then we go back into thenext thing that they teach us.
And I was talking to someoneand they were telling me about
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their relationship and I'm like,have you guys seen like couples
counselor before?
No, like tell me more, right,I'm just curious and give me
some examples of how they wouldconsistently treat you, not the
one offs.
And I'm like kind of kind ofsounds a little bit like
emotional abuse.
And let me pull up the chart ofyou know the emotional abuse.
You know, with verbal andemotional abuse looks like from
you know the wheel of the wheelof abuse.
(28:12):
And let me tell me if any ofthese things are happening.
And A person said, oh my God,yeah, these things are happening
.
I'm like, well, have you everput a name to these things?
Versus like I'm being treatedlike crap or I don't like how
I'm being treated, and I'm like,well, what would it be like if
you started you know, if thisperson's not going to go to
therapy with you, what would itbe like to just start
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identifying that which is I'mbeing abused?
No doesn't mean you have to bea victim.
It means that you can starttaking, you know, but you have
to re, re, re, re, calibrateyour framework of what's going
on versus like I'm in astressful relationship.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, and I'm.
I'm even thinking like, okaythat you're ex, you're on the
receiving end of abuse.
Not that you're being right,you're being this, isn't that
you're you're not right.
You're experiencing somethingand and I have four kids and and
a husband and we have a wholebunch of businesses, and so
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we're always on the go.
But my favorite thing to sayand I'll give this to all the
listeners my favorite thing tosay in response to something
that I think is cockamamie orisn't going to work is that
doesn't work for me, just likethat.
I'm never nasty.
I'm like no, that doesn't workfor me.
No, we're not going to stay upuntil 1130.
That doesn't work for me.
Yeah, no, we're not going toeat sugar for dinner.
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That doesn't work for me.
No, we're not going to whatever.
Fill in the blank, because Ihave four kids.
They come up with all kinds ofwacko stuff, and then I have a
husband who you know that whitechromosome, Jason, is like well,
so the five, the five kids,yeah, four and a half and he's
an adult.
but yeah, I would come on likewhat?
No, no, that doesn't work forme.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, well, that boundary standard, right that
phrase, and I've shared thatwith, with, with people.
When I learned that a bunch ofyears ago for myself, it's
actually I got it from parentingwith love and logic.
I don't know if you've everseen those books, right, so
that's one of the like.
I'll let you know what worksfor me.
That's like one of the great.
That's like to have a list oflike one-liners that you can say
to a kid, but they also havefour couples as well.
I'm like, oh, that's so great.
I'll let you know which isexactly what you're saying.
(30:08):
I'll let you know what worksfor me is really such a powerful
and people are afraid to dothat Because one, we don't want
to hurt anybody.
Two, we don't want to offendanybody.
Three, it's the unconsciousbelief that we're responsible
for someone else's feelings andwell-being when we're not.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Don't be a dick.
My 14-year-old son.
I'm kind of this free-rangeparent.
I'm like don't get lost orstolen and do your work and
we're going to be fine.
I'm not a helicopter parent atall.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Here's an air tag.
Go on, I'll see you later yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Just do your thing.
So my first two kids did verywell with that parenting
approach.
My first two kids, they didtheir work.
One's you know, one in college,the next one is applying to
college.
I'm like do you need help?
They're like no, I'm good.
Okay, I get to my third kid,and my third kid is not doing
well with this parentingapproach because my third kid is
a boy who is now addicted toMinecraft.
And so we were like wait, notonly I really don't care how
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much Minecraft you play, as longas you sleep, eat, move your
body and do your damn homework.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
A shower once in a while.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, he drives that that's not something I have to
argue with him about.
He's like oh, I'm like, okay,have at it Go show, Okay good.
He's fine.
But it was so interestingbecause we, after we figured out
you're not doing your work,you're just not, you're totally
thrown off by this Minecraftthing we put in controls that we
never had to do with our otherkids.
(31:33):
So first we started with ascreen time, blew through right,
right, right through that, andthen we ultimately landed on a
software that allows us toliterally turn on or off access
to every specific thing awebsite, an app, screen time, we
can shut the computer down.
It's, it's fantastic, but it'slike a tyrant, right, we're
going to do what we say.
(31:53):
So he said to me you'redominating me, you're making me
do this and I'm a victim.
I'm like hold on, I get that.
You don't like this control.
I don't blame you, I wouldn'tlike it either, but we
instituted this in reaction toyour behavior, right?
So we?
We weren't just like let'storture our 14 year old boy and
restrict his Minecraft.
(32:13):
No, our 14 year old stoppeddoing his work and stopped being
a functioning member of ourfamily, and so we instituted
these controls.
These controls were caused byyou.
We did not cause them, youcaused them and he.
He still believes and maintainsthat he's a victim, and I'm
like so I'll keep you posted onthat.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But he's yeah, well, it's like what can he do right
now?
I would turn it on him If I'mlike so how do we get your
parents off your back?
What do you need to be doing?
What do you need to takeaccountability and ownership
over so your, so mom and daddon't have to spend their time
thinking about you in that wayanymore?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, I actually offered him a tutor like a month
and a half goes.
No, I'm good, I'm good.
So two nights ago I sent him.
Look, I love you to pieces.
I really value our relationshipand my role as your parent.
The way I see my role is I amyour guru.
I'm the person you should go towith questions.
I'm your cheerleader.
I am not your time guardian.
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And are you doing your work.
That's not my role.
So I said you're getting atutor and that tutor is going to
do your work with you, becauseI can't even do your math.
You're doing college level mathin high school.
That's not my thing.
So I said you're going to get atutor and when you are
mastering it you can get rid ofyour tutor, and if the tutor
doesn't work, we're going tokeep the tutor and then we're
going to add on a therapist.
So how this goes is totally upto you.
(33:28):
And he was like the only thinghe got from that was like how
long do I have to have the tutorfor?
And I said as long as it takesfor you to do your work, do an
impeccable job and be amazing.
And then I said I really don'tcare.
If you have a half hour to anhour of Minecraft a day, I don't
care, but right now you're notdoing your work.
So, yeah, so we'll see.
I mean, it's a work in progress, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, that's why I love that love and logic theory.
Well, you can play as muchMinecraft as you want and you
have to do all these things.
Which ones do you want to dofirst?
But if you don't accomplish allthose things, then there will
be a consequence paradigm.
Right, and I love that.
Or no reward, or no reward,right, right, there's no reward,
which is right, that's the but,but it's oh well.
You chose further for there tobe no reward, child, because you
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made the decisions for thereward not to exist by you not
doing what you said you're goingto do.
So I love that.
That, that that setting up ofpersonal accountability and
consequence.
I just want to tie back intothat last story of that person
who I saw recently, who I hadthat conversation with, Cause
again this woman this is the no,no, no, the one with the, with
the abuse, right, and and againgoing into, like stress and
toxins, like not realize.
(34:30):
Oh, it's okay if I have mypumpkin spice latte once a week,
maybe I don't know but we alsolike what's the sugar content
and what's the right, and allthe food chemicals and all the
other stuff that, like you know,and the plastic leaching in all
of our cups and all those whichyou know.
Read the book, right, I need toget into that right now, but
read her book.
So, but the idea.
But then I saw this personagain and it was six to eight
(34:52):
months later.
They got divorced and I wasblown away.
I'm like, wow, that's like.
But it was like just this likemind shifting thing of like what
you said, of like, if you don'trealize that, like you have all
these things going on over here, but yet you don't even realize
this because we're justprogrammed right, society like
you talk about, and thefunctional medicine world, like
(35:13):
we're predisposed to purchasingthings and buying things.
And now, it's right, we're notin the middle of flu season.
What do we?
What you and I know, it's notflu season, it's sugar season.
It's always sugar season, it'salways well, even more.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I said sugar is the devil.
I'm waiting for the meme tocome.
Sugar is the devil, sugar isthe devil.
That's your next book, right?
Sugar is the devil.
It's terrible, so it's.
But it's always sugar season,right?
Because we get through that.
And then we're like oh, it'sValentine's Day, oh it's
Memorial Day, oh it's 4th ofJuly, so it just never ends.
Yeah, it's not stopped.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I know we have to be mindful with time, but I know
that you have a offer for ourlisteners, so why don't you just
share that with us?
And also?
It's also where they can comeand find you.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yes it is.
So I am on all the socials atWendyTruboMD, and then we have a
gift for the listeners Ifyou're not sure you want to read
the book, or if we have a quizto figure out how toxic you are,
which is a little bit.
We haven't talked about exactlytoxicity as much as we've
talked about just that smallpart of stress and emotions.
But there's that whole world oftoxicity, what you put in you,
(36:17):
what you put on you, what'saround you.
So we have a quiz that you canhelp figure out.
How toxic am I?
How big of a deal is this?
We have a non-toxic guide tohealthy living so you can start
leveling up.
That has all the things right.
I did all the mistakes so youdon't have to.
I know what you should use sothat you can clean it up.
And then it's chapter one ofthe book, so you can see do I
like the style?
Do I like how it reads?
Can I communicate with thishuman?
(36:38):
So that's all at drwendycomforward slash gift.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I love it and, just as a side note, with learning,
toxicities and where we'retalking about adrenals, but also
another time, maybe in thefuture, we can talk about the
thyroid and all this stuffthat's going on Hashimoto's and
everybody has thyroid stuffgoing on, and especially when it
comes to women's health, whichis right at your side of OBGYN,
where with pregnancies and howmany people are having
(37:03):
miscarriages and how many thingsare going back to that and the
toxic loads, and thenHashimoto's or thyroid, what's
the antibodies, how going upafter pregnancy and stuff like
that.
I have someone I know that hadthat.
And then we're like workingwith a functional medicine
person and they're like, well,we're checking out mold as the
(37:25):
precursor to all these thingsgoing on.
And guess what?
Mold is one of those big things, especially with mental health,
and that we don't even knowwhat to look into.
So everybody, please, please,please, go check out the website
at drwendycom, forward slashgift, check out her book Dirty
Girl, the ditch, the toxins lookgreat and feel freaking amazing
(37:45):
.
It's available everywhere andif you like more of this,
obviously go.
You know you've been on a bunchof other interviews.
So please, if you want more ofall the different topics she
talks about, check out any ofher other podcast interviews and
just go right to her site.
And Wendy, again, thank you somuch and hopefully in the future
we'll go into some of thoseother things.
As you know, I always like moreand more functional medicine
stuff in front of my community.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, thank you, jason.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I have so pressure.
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