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What if the haze from the Canadian wildfires is more than just a sight for sore eyes? What if it has far-reaching implications, particularly on the size of your vegetable crops? Join us as we delve into a disheartening case of reduced crop yield and the possible connection to the wildfire smoke. We unpack the effects of the fire’s three main chemical byproducts - benzene, formaldehyde, and acrolein - on the environment. 

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Scott (00:02):
Sadly everybody.
it's another alert episode Andhe always has to do this.
Anyway, everybody, somebodyposted on Facebook that compared
to a year ago, their vegetablecrop was short And they were

(00:23):
like, well, why They hadpictures from last year at the
same time and this year And yeah, they were half the size.
And then I kind of saw theanswer and I think maybe you all
know it.
But then I was also driving inthe country the other night.
But the corn it's almost Fourthof July.

(00:44):
The corn is knee high, so thathasn't stunted quite yet.
But the reason for the stunt Doyou know, mike?

Mike (00:53):
What do you?
think it is Talking to the Mike, talking to the.

Scott (00:56):
Mike Talking to the Mike.
So, mike, what is your guess on?
I don't think it's a guess.
Oh, you know the answer.

Mike (01:03):
I think it has something to do with being overcast, but
it doesn't necessarily have todo directly with overcast.
Now, do you want to elaborateon that?
Am I?
on a little bit of a.

Scott (01:12):
No, you're on the right track.
Everybody was basically saying,since the Midwest is getting
hit by the smoke of the Canadianwildfires, that the smoke is
clouding everything up andtherefore the sun's not coming
out.
And therefore your favoriteword is My favorite word Talking
to the Mike, talking to theMike, mike.

(01:34):
What's your favorite word, mike?
Irrigation water.
No, no, no.
The other one begins with a P,a, b, that's P as in purple, the
P is silent.
Now come on, give mephotosynthesis.

Mike (01:49):
Why didn't you just tell me F?
Now people would do thatgenerically, i mean phonetically
.
Yes, photosynthesis, so thatmeans light processing.
And since there's no light,well, now there is light.

Scott (02:02):
Well, there's not the light that you normally would be
getting at this time of year,especially since summer solstice
just happened.
Well, these are supposed to bethe longest days of the year.
They are, Well and they are,but they're cloudy, cloudy,
cloudy.
Well, it's not cloudy.
Well, I know it's not clouds,It's smoke.
President.

Mike (02:19):
Let's just use our Midwest guidelines right now.
The overcast cities in theUnited States will vary from
Pittsburgh to Cleveland, toColumbus, cincinnati, detroit
and Toledo.
Now that's in the Midwest,that's the most overcast Most
overcast.
Well, we know why.
We know here.
No, no, no, no, now wait aminute.
Portland, oregon and WashingtonState are overcast almost 100

(02:39):
percent of the time.
Downside on our end, it'scaused by the clouds.
Right, that's what generally,and it doesn't block the sun,
but it eliminates the amount ofsunlight, the UV light as well
as the direct rays.
It's a dimmer switch.
All right, that could be partof it.

Scott (02:57):
And the increased amount of, but ours is because of the
Great Lakes, the way, theweather patterns, well, yeah.
The clouds, increasing clouds,for Toledo, Detroit I mean for
being- in the middle of thiscontinent.

Mike (03:08):
I mean it is the most humid place in North America,
next to, let's say, florida Ohyeah, i mean Florida's.
Shum it out there right now,but we're not talking humidity,
we're talking about overcast.

Scott (03:20):
Right, So it's.
overcast means clouds.
Hit us with all your knowledge,Mike.

Mike (03:24):
I happen to have a plethora of it.
Now see that stands Yeah but onthis subject.
It starts with P.
What On this subject?
A plethora On this subject?
Yep, All right, Hit us, Mike.
Well, basically, I don't thinkit is the clouds.
I mean, it could be the clouds,so that could be part of it,
But the overcast, if you'venoticed, we were walking through
a cloud of smoke all the last Idon't know a week and a half,

(03:47):
And you know that there was ameteorologist that had stated
that there was a.
There were three chemicals thatwere the byproduct of the fire
itself and the smoke.
Somebody was complaining aboutthe smell smelling like a
plastic, right, Mm-hmm.
Well, the particles that areout there.
The smoke has changedeverything into three basic
products.
One of them is benzene, theother one's formaldehyde and the

(04:10):
other one is acrolein.
You know what each one of thoseproducts are used for.
No hit me Hit you.
I won't do that Anyhow.
They're used basically for anumber of reasons.
One of them, formaldehyde, forinstance, is a fungicide,
insecticide, pesticide.
You use any type of side, thatmeans killer, all right, okay.

(04:30):
Yeah, all right.

Scott (04:31):
Now the benzene is killer .

Mike (04:33):
The benzene is colorless.
It's flammable.
It's a flammable liquid and ithas a very sweet odor.
It evaporates quickly whenexposed to air, but it's
primarily caused by volcanicactivity or forest fires.
Canada, most exposure tobenzene results in from human
activities.
I mean they use you get it fromsmoking cigarettes as well but

(04:57):
among 20 most widely usedchemicals in the USA is benzene,
and it's mainly used as asolvent.
Now do you want to solve it inyour lungs?
It dissolves basically right inYou.
Breathe it in through your oldnot well, your olfactory system,
your mouth, your nose.
It also can be absorbed inthrough the skin.
But benzene is a registeredcarcinogenic, did you?

Scott (05:19):
know that.
Did you know that pretty muchin Canada that I mean they were
shutting everything down almostto the point of like a COVID as
far as keeping people indoors.
I will say it that way We havea gentleman here at the garden
center whose brother lives up inCanada and he basically said

(05:41):
everything's canceled, alloutdoor activities, everybody's
staying inside.

Mike (05:47):
I mean, hopefully they've got HEPA filters or something
You know you think this might bea continuation of the last
three years with the COVID thing?

Scott (05:54):
No, no, no, this is an isolated thing, i'm just saying
they're treating it, are yousure?
Yes, I am Okay.
Conspiracy theorists mightConspiracy.
I love them, it's anyway, butthat is just how they're
treating it on the safe side,because, as you said, all these
chemicals are airborne and whichbrings something else.

(06:16):
If they're airborne and they'relanding on our plants, they're
landing on our vegetables.
you have to be more diligentthis year as far as cleaning
your vegetables before preparingor ingesting.

Mike (06:32):
Well, not just that, I think it has to do.
you said something about thelack of sunlight.
That's part of it.
Well, yeah, let's talk aboutsuffocation, also, with those
particles landing on thestomates of the plant.
Now, i promised I wasn't goingto be talking technical
terminology, but the plant hasto aspirate.
You learned that, yes, it helpsto cool the plant down.
Yep, you clog that plant'sstomates up with these particles

(06:53):
.
They're not going to produce.
Are you noticing the lack offlour on your tomatoes?

Scott (06:58):
I'm not growing any, but you can ask the audience.

Mike (07:01):
Well, i was checking some out the last few days.
Yes, they're very, very, veryslim.
Now, some of them some peopleknow the tricks to the trade.
They can go and compensate forit.
Yeah, but the plants are beingaffected by this and it doesn't
necessarily mean throughphotosynthesis, which is part of
it.
It's the whole biologicalprocess that the plant has to go
through.
that's being affected by theseforest fires and with the

(07:24):
byproducts that are coming in.
Again, you got benzene,acrylene and formaldehyde.
All three of those arebyproducts of the smoke.
Now, it doesn't.
somebody was complaining thatthis smell doesn't have any
smell of like a forest, not aforest fire, but a campfire.
Well, it doesn't.
That part is dissipated.
Yes, this is the product or thebyproduct that's coming in from

(07:47):
that and it's giving usovercast.
I mean, it really is anunhealthy state of air quality.

Scott (07:52):
Yeah, the moon is orange, at night, the sun, the sun is
really orange, really orange, ifyou look at it.

Mike (07:58):
Yeah, so again, folks.
I mean, wash your plants Nowremember.
that's kind of contradictory.

Scott (08:03):
That's the advice.
We're washing our plants everyfew days or depending on how
much early evening hour.
Okay, so we're just.
Why are you doing a hand wash?
Are you just sprinkling wateron them?

Mike (08:17):
Get a shower, a shower head.
I don't mean a shower head thatyou go to Home Depot or Lowe's
to get.

Scott (08:21):
I'm talking you know, a head that you put under a hose
that's gonna give you a showerspray.

Mike (08:26):
It's not gonna be a direct , so you're knocking the dust
off.

Scott (08:29):
You're washing it off, not knocking it off.

Mike (08:31):
Knocking it off is a direct stream.
Washing it off is if, when youhave that thousand shower spray
coming through, it's washing itoff.

Scott (08:39):
I mean you're not, but you're not hand rubbing it off.

Mike (08:41):
No, you're not beating the plant up, but what?

Scott (08:44):
towel or something?

Mike (08:45):
No, the finer the product I mean for the byproduct the
better off the plant's gonna be.
It's contradictory to what wehave told everybody else.
as far as watering, never do itin the middle of the day and
never do it at the top of aplant, unless and this is one of
those caveats- Yes, it is.
This is the in-last situation.
Do it, you're gonna have to,and I'm recommending strongly
that they go out there and washtheir plants.

(09:06):
Sounds silly, but I thinkyou're gonna appreciate it.
Not only that, use a little bitof the espomotones to go ahead
and give it a little bit of akick in the derriere.

Scott (09:16):
Yeah, they need a little extra kick Right Because of the
stuntness that's happening.
It's the byproduct.

Mike (09:23):
It's the results of what's going on with this activity the
smoke.

Scott (09:27):
Right.
So the advice is, with thesmoke, that we give our plants a
shower every once in a while,as needed, and then also, let's
be smart and also really goahead and wash all the fruit
that does grow for you.
Clean that up and maybe not beso liberal and popping them off

(09:50):
the vine and chugging them downwithout washing, or wiping.

Mike (09:53):
It's kind of like you know , Because of this fire.
You've got these threebyproducts from aldehybenzine
and acrylene, which just took mea week and a half to figure out
how I can say them, let alonespell them.
That's why.

Scott (10:07):
I'm not doing it.

Mike (10:08):
Give the plant some type of organic blooming agent, the
nutrient that you put at thebase of the plant.
Some of it's, for instance,rock phosphate.
Put it at the base, help tostimulate you know all of it
your tomatoes and peppers.
A little bit more flour And itwouldn't hurt to help them along
.
I mean, all right, come on,guys, yeah and gals, let's go
ahead and take a Q-tip, rub itinside the flower of the plant

(10:30):
and go to each one of them, noteach one of them randomly.
Help to cross pollinate so thatwe do get the fruit.

Scott (10:35):
So for our Canadian friends, please don't go camping
, do-do-do-do-do-do.
Or if you do go camping, putyour fire out completely.
I mean, i know most of yourfires are lightning strikes, but
as human beings let's do whatwe can do.
Are they really lightningstrikes?
Yes, conspiracy Mike.

Mike (10:58):
I think.
are you sure there's not someheathen that's sitting there in
the backwoods going take fireand then go for that?

Scott (11:06):
Unless you know somebody.
Oh, so that's our quickemergency tip alert for all the
smoke that's landing on yourplants because it is coming down
.
I mean it's at low levels andit will cover your plants And
obviously it is stunting people.
So take all that informationand run with it Not in this

(11:27):
weather.

Mike (11:28):
I mean, come on, you want to?
make sure that you're indoors,forget that noise.

Scott (11:31):
I'm going to do a little housekeeping.
We're going to do it on thetail end of the show When we
were talking about watering acouple episodes back, and then
we had a listener write in aquestion to us and we discussed
that last episode, i believe.
It came to me and I noticed Istarted doing it here at work a
little bit more just to see howit worked.

(11:52):
The valve on your faucet, youdon't need to have that full
blast to water, ok, so it's likeyou know when your kids into
Scott when your kids were youngand they were brushing their
teeth?

Mike (12:07):
Yeah, you put it on full blast.

Scott (12:09):
You don't.
A, you don't need water forrunning full blast, you didn't.
And B, you don't need waterrunning while you're brushing
your teeth.
you know, maybe a little preand a little post And you're
done.
But you know, my kids, i wasalways yelling at them.
Well, i was not in my son over.

Mike (12:24):
I mean, that's why they have this control handle.

Scott (12:27):
You have that same control for your water spigot.
So when you're wateringespecially delicate plants, only
open it halfway And that willhelp tremendously.
Over spray, you're saving money, you're putting the water where
it needs to go, not wateringthe the bugs in the mulch,

(12:47):
you're just watering the groundor the medium that the plant is
in And you're saving yourselfsome water.
So I created a monster.
Well, you know, i thought aboutthat after because I listened
to all the shows and make surethey play back correctly in.
I was like you know, that's thepoint I should have made.
I forgot about that one.

(13:08):
So there is a little bonus foryou on this alert Episode.
No, i do the alert.

Mike (13:18):
OK, this is a what do you want to call it?
An emergency broadcast by Scottand Michael Rourke, with your
Midwest Garden podcast.

Scott (13:27):
All right, everybody.
I hope that helps if you'retrying to figure out why your
plants are a little stunted.
It's, I mean, it's coming backto that fire.
Yeah, just wash them off As weleave.
What do we always say Green?

Mike (13:40):
baby.

Scott (13:41):
Well, what about the green side up?
No green thumbs, Green thumbsup.
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