November 6, 2025 • 48 mins
Artificial intelligence is changing everything — but can it replace you?
In this riveting Coaches Edition, Kellan Fluckiger, Dr. Tabatha Russell, and Lori Darley tackle one of the most controversial questions in the coaching world: What happens when AI learns to listen, empathize, and guide?
They explore where technology ends and the human heart begins — revealing how coaches can evolve without losing their soul. This isn’t a conversation about fear. It’s a call to rise, adapt, and lead with authenticity in a world that’s forgetting what it means to feel.
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- The Machine and the Mirror: What AI reveals about the human need for connection.
- Authenticity Over Automation: Why true coaches can’t be coded.
- The Embodied Coach: Reclaiming intuition, presence, and emotion.
- Evolving with Integrity: How to use AI without losing your soul.
- The Future of Coaching: Humanity’s next frontier in a synthetic world.
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authority to create from yourskills, gifts and life experience.
Today I've got a couple ofguests. This particular episode is
one of the special Thursdayepisodes about coaching. And what
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we're going to explore here iswe're going to explore the rise of
AI, artificial intelligenceand what it will or won't do to coaching
and the experience that thesetwo coaches have got. So Laurie and
Tabitha, welcome to the show.
Thank you to be here.
You are both welcome anddelightful. I know that both these
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women are coaches and coachdifferent things and that doesn't
really matter what they coach.So I'm not going to like direct this.
It's just going to be someconversation. I'll ask a couple questions,
get started and then we'll,we'll talk about it and go from there.
So it's not formatted.Tabitha, I'm curious and I'll probably
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ask you this too, Lori. How doyou use AI not just to find recipes.
I'm saying that because mywife does that. Not just for that
or to write emails, but howare you using one or other model
of AI in your coaching right now?
Thank you so much for thatquestion. The way that we use AI
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is really in automations,right? Because we have a coaching
business. It has helped us tostreamline some things that we would
do normally on a regularbasis, but we have been able to implement
it. So it made life so mucheasier to have those repeatable processes
now done through automation,using AI specifically to help us
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with some of the tasks thatwe've been doing. So it essentially
has allowed us to get backsome more hours in our day.
Do you find that lets youhandle more clients? Or maybe that
wasn't the objective. Maybeit's just to reduce the time involved.
Do you find that it helps youthat way?
Oh yeah, it absolutely allowsus to service more clients because
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we don't when they sign up,like they take them through the onboarding
process as well as theopportunity for them to send us some
correspondence as well aspeople that may go to our website,
excuse me, for example, itwill allow them to be able to get
some questions answered a lotquicker. So it's driven some efficiencies
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in the business for sure.
Cool. Lori. So I'm morecurious about the same thing. Are
you and if you are, how areyou using? And I wasn't, I didn't
ask any of this ahead of time.So listeners, I have no idea what
they're doing with it or notdoing. Lori, what's your relationship
in the context of yourbusiness with AI?
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I would say it's prettyintimate actually. The relationship
that is I am using it foractually as a thought partner in
developing proposals, inputting together programs and also
in helping even sometimes evenbefore a coaching call when I know
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that something is coming up.And so I'll, you know, explore different
approaches. I've used it inalso some for lead generation and
also I'm exploring right nowhave a relationship with an AI company
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that is actually, it's calledPiloteer and it actually is a way
to give primarily mid marketcompanies feedback to their staff
or from their staff to theirstaffs as well as non biased feedback
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to the CEOs in such a way thatthis is not to eliminate coaching
but to actually give anopportunity because they don't, you
know, that particular platformdoesn't provide like AI coaching
but it does help provide thefeedback and then the coaching becomes
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the piece that is deliveringthe models, the actual face to face,
one on one coaching.
Cool. So if you look, if youlook in the future like in writing
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the book Coaching in the Riseof AI, it took me about four months
and first month or so wasspent many, many hours a day just
doing research and I analyzeda bunch of 11 coaching models that
exist in the world. They'repromised outcomes and you know, their
vulnerabilities to AI in termsof what they do and what AI might
do and so forth. And I noticedtwo things. One is I noticed in the
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four months it took me towrite it, the skills and capability
of AI doubled in that periodof time. And what I also noticed
is that lots of coachingmodels are very, very, very vulnerable
to, to AI. At least that's howit occurred to me. And so the question
for you guys is if you look inthe future, three months, six months,
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a year, what do you think'sgonna happen if anything? Maybe you
think it's not a big deal, butwhat do you think's gonna happen
in the coaching industry? AndI don't care who talks first.
Yeah, I'll, I'll talk first.So I believe that the space of coaching
is going to Change drasticallyfrom the standpoint of how much people
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rely on chat, GPT or, or oneof the other coaching models primarily
as a, as a thought partner.Right. Like as Lori was saying and
I've seen where that hasalready started to happen. Like I
believe the last time I lookedat the stats it was like 71% of companies
have implemented some sort ofAI at least in one of their practices
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within their business. So thefact that companies are already moving
at the speed of light withimplementation coaching and clients
the same, they're looking atit as their new Google. And so they're
relying upon the informationthat's coming across. So there is
a lot of legitimacy around itchanging at the speed of light, literally.
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And so just from some of myclients I see them relying on it
a lot more as well.
You know, it's a funny thing,Lori, I want you to think about that
too. But the guy that wrotethe forward for the book is a, is
a hotshot coach and makes alot of money and has been, has for
a long time, is verysuccessful and that's why I asked
him to write the forward andhe loved it. And he said one of the
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things he said in the forwardwas a funny story. He said he had
an argument or some kind of adisagreement with his wife and they
went to bed, you know, and thenext morning she was all tuned up,
no problem at all. And heasked what happened and she said
oh, I had a conversation withChad GPT and it coached me through.
Yeah coached me through thisthing and I'm all tuned up. And he's
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like boom.
Yeah that right.
And he told that story in theforeword as preface. So anyway, it
just reminded me of that whenyou said that Tabitha.
Yeah.
So Laurie, what do you think?
Yeah, well, first of all, Iappreciate Tabitha bringing the statistical
analysis into theconversation. I think that's your
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gift, Tabitha. Something thatI would rely on you and chat for.
That being said, I kind ofhave like one of these forks in the
road kind of when I thinkabout the future is potentially it
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could go one way or the other.Right. And I do I will just give
you some context around this.Developing a program that would specifically
designed for Gen Z, doing alive version of it, but trying to
figure out how to transitionto an all self guided platform and
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in that exploration have runinto opportunities where AI avatars
can actually have groupconversations and with sensing AI
actually read the emotionaltenancy, etc. All of that being said
in the inquiry about actuallydeveloping this program, there's
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a Huge piece in there aroundpsychological safety that I think
is. You could look at it from,oh well, the bot is going to give
me all the psychologicalsafety I need. And case in point,
when I was working withPiloteer, I got feedback from it
and I was like, I'm so glad Igot my feedback from it and not my
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husband. To your, to yourstory. Right. Because it would have
been a completely differentconversation. But all along the way,
I do feel that as a somaticcoach, we are, you know, we're flesh
and blood and I think thatthey're much like, you know, Gen
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Z is putting their phones downnow. You know, they don't want to
bring the electronics into thespace anymore. I would imagine that
there would be some backlashfrom that. And you know, I think
that you're seeing it now,you're seeing what will be exaggerated
in the future. There'll bethis clash of old versus new and
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there will be people who willalways want to have the traditional
face to face and communityconversations, real time and the
simulation of humanity asclose as it is in a humanity. So,
you know, I'm kind of. Is itwishful thinking? Maybe. But I think
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that, you know, it all dependsupon who's in charge. Right. In terms
of how this is all going toevolve both on earth and beyond.
Right. In terms, in terms ofdestiny, of how we're going to shape,
you know, how we choose toshape it rather than it shaping us.
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I think it's going to be a co creation.
So that's, that's fascinating.A couple of things that, that I notice
is I'm really bold in the bookand I'm going to probably piss a
lot of people off. And that'sokay because that's just killing.
But one of the things I thinkis that the coaching world, the way
that it's practiced right nowfor the most part, is very vulnerable
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and will be completelyhollowed out. And while I completely
agree with you, Laurie,there's always going to be a need
and there's a total power init. That's why I only say 95% of
coaches are going to be out ofbusiness by Christmas of next year,
which is the conclusion I cameto. But the coaching that is, you
know, tools, you learned thatkind of stuff. Frameworks and tools
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and practices and, you know,NLP and ontological stuff and a particular
order of questioning. I mean,all that crap's gonna evaporate.
I think that's my opinion. AndI'm throwing that out there to, for
you guys to either Agree ordisagree with, I don't care. But
the reason is because AI cando that faster and better. And there's
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going to be, I think we ascoaches, we're going to have to do
something completely differentor way better than we're doing right
now or we're going to be outof luck and out to lunch. So what
do you guys think about that?
I'm going to step in herebecause it's one thing to understand
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a model and it's a whole otherthing to take it out into the world
and practice it and fall onyour face and break your nose. Right.
And that for me, you know, forme it's all about the experiential
and the application and thenbeing in a vulnerable spot with your
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peers, for instance, or faceto face with a coach to say, well
now what are you going to doright now that you had that wake
up call? Yes, a bot could dothat. But the transference of the
tools and models, yes,anybody's going to have access to
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all the above, but that doesnot guarantee that people are actually
going to put it in play. Andthat's where I'm actually focused
right now is actuallydeveloping experiences that people
are, you know, going to beconfronted and embarrassed and taken
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apart a little bit, which aswe know, you know, sometimes that's
what has to happen in orderfor the breakthrough to occur.
So let me just go down thatroad a little bit and Tabitha, I
want you to thought about in aminute. I agree with you. And I guess
my observation, I've been toseveral coaching schools and learned
lots of different methods andI'm sure you guys have too. What
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I'm. What I see and the reasonI think right today coaches have
a hard time making a living. Imean, more than 50% or 60% of coaches
don't make over 50k. And likewe know those statistics. And the
reason is because it'sperformative and the coach is using
the tools the way that theylearned them. But there's no power,
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there's no true power tocreate the kind of transference that
you're talking about. Yeah, inother words, they're talking about
words, but they're notembodying the truth of the principles
that they teach. And that'swhy I see this whole middle, and
by middle I mean like all ofit almost being, being pulled out
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because people aren't doingthat today. I hear coaches say all
the time to me, well, I'mreally good at helping other people
see and solve their problems.And when it Comes to my own. I can't
do this. And I want to screamwhen I hear that. Because all that
says is you're not a productto the product.
Exactly.
Because if you were flippingproduct to the product, that wouldn't
be true. So Tabitha, what wasyour thoughts about all this?
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Yeah, so I definitely agreethat AI is not going to be able to
replace that human element.And I know just from firsthand that
having someone there that cangive you the personal accountability
and understand the emotionalside of the problem that the person
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is going through I think isgoing to be the thing that makes
the difference. Like we're,we're all heart centered individuals.
So being able to now connectwith people on that interpersonal
level is definitely going tobe, I think, the thing that's going
to allow that 5% Kellen tooutshine. And last in the marketplace,
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I do agree that a lot ofpeople that are operating that are
mediocre today in theircoaching is going to see a drastic
change and a withdrawal ofpeople requesting services because
they're not able to reallyconnect and address a lot of the
pain points and, or eithertopics that they may have. Now that's
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not to say that the 5% is notgoing to have to adjust somewhat,
but I think starting now andunderstanding the real power of AI
is the, that's the secret toit, right? Because you get to utilize
that for what it, what it is.However, find your USP in that, right,
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Your unique sellingproposition and then move forward
with that in a trajectorythat's going to allow people to be
able to see themselves in yourspace and connect with you on those
levels. I think it's going tomake the difference.
So I had an interestingexperience in the researching of
this. I had a thread I put inChatty and I had several names for
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it, but I've spent enoughhundreds of hours in there that I
have names for it. All right,so I. One thread was called One Million
Words and put all my books inthere and podcast transcripts and
you know, ask it and it toldme it was more like 4 million words.
But anyway, okay, fine. And sowhen it talks to me, it talks like
me, right? I mean it,everything, it talks like me and
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everything else. And I ask it,okay, tell me who I am. And I, I
understand its bias towardaffirmation and all the rest of it.
And I said so no bs, I don'twant any of that crap. I said, so
cut the fluff and don't do,you know, and I talk to it like that
and so tell me who I am. Andso it wrote some stuff, and as I
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read it, I got emotional.Like, I was emotionally affected
by that, and at first itpissed me off. And I thought, how
come I'm having this response?So I said, okay, I'm having an emotional
response to these words. Yousaid, like, your code. You can't
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do that. How come I'm feelingthis way? And it said, I'm not doing
anything. What I'm doing isreflecting who you are. And I thought,
oh, okay, right. And so thenafter I said all that, I said, okay,
fine, you do all this reallygood, and you do this good, and you
do this good everything. Whatdo you suck at? Like, what can't
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you do? Like, what are youlike after did all these analysis
of different models, what areyou going to never do? And it said
lots of stuff, but it said oneline that I'm going to share with
you that I think captures theessence of what you were talking
about, Tabitha, and that is itsaid, I can't bleed. And I went,
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oh, okay, so let's start fromthere. You can't bleed. And all the
things that that means interms of the truth of connection
and everything. So what do youthink are going to be the requirements
that are different? Because Ithink the game's changed, like, big
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time. Not a little, but, like,a lot. So what do you think is going
to change, have to change forcoaches to stay, like, really in
the game?
I think you're pointing to itwith the depth of. And also what
Tabitha was saying about thatnormalization that comes from true
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vulnerability. Right. I'vebeen there. Right. Chat can only
talk about what it would belike if it was there, but it's never
there. Right. So I think that.That, you know, your experience of
that depth of reflection issomething that I think every coach
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aspires to, but only some canreally do, right? Or actually stepping
into that state of being withsomeone is from my perspective, that
is. That is when the workreally shifts, right? When somebody
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actually feels gotten at everylevel and have themselves reflected
back to them at a. At a levelthat, you know, obviously for you,
it was. It blew you away.
And.
When there's somebody thatdoesn't look like me and doesn't
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sound like me is reflecting meback to me is like, wow, you know,
I'll follow you anywhere kindof thing. And so I think that what's
required is the de. Armoringof our state of being. Right? There's
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that. There's that sort ofcode of, you know, Sort of. I'm not
gonna, I'm not gonna getsucked into my client's world, you
know, thing. And I've gotmixed feelings about that. It's like,
you know, if I'm armored up tothe point where I'm not actually
really truly in their worldwith them, I think that we've lost
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something. And that means thatI have to bring my, you know, my
portable safety with me.Right. And my boundaries. So, you
know, it's a. It's acomplicated. It's a complicated issue,
I think.
Yeah, I think that there issome, some complication there. But
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I believe that we'll define itas we go along. Right. Like as we.
I always like to say that as acoach, we owe it not just to ourselves
but to our clients to be onthe cutting edge of innovation and
our, our niche. Right.Whatever it is that we're doing,
we should aspire to master it.And I believe that that is going
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to be the thing that is goingto set us apart when we are the best
of the best that there is inthat niche. Like when people think
of what it is that you do,Somatics, for example, they should
literally think of lo. Theythink of Kellen, the ultimate alchemist,
right. The. There. Thereshould not be another person that
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comes up. But that also meansthat we occupy that space in such
a way to. It's big that, thatit. It is. We take up more space
when it comes to our sphere ofgenius. And I believe that that is
going to be some of the thingsthat is going to continue to set
us apart and, and to be knownfor what it is that we do in the
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space of providing realtransformation. So I do believe that
that is going to be the thingthat's going to become game changing
for all involved in the spaceof coaching.
There's three, three thingsthat. Did you, Laurie, did you have
a thing you wanted to say?
Yeah, it was. Tabitha wasinspiring me and it was giving me.
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She was giving me the thoughtbecause I've had this direct experience.
We're co create the idea of cocreation. You may have noticed that
you started, you started tothink differently. I've noticed that
I'm starting to be shaped bythe, you know, sort of the tsunami
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of wisdom. It's wisdom,ancient wisdom that is so much more
available and, and you know,like that woman who, you know, talked
to chat so that she could getover her husband's whatever issue.
Right. It is evolving us aswe're evolving it. And so, you know,
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yes to everything Tabitha saidBut I've noticed that personally.
Right. There's just adifferent sort of context in which
we're living that we've neverlived in this context ever before.
I've copied and saved a lot ofstuff that it said and I just save
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it in a folder about things.I'll ask it different stuff. And
because I'm busy creatinguniversity and I've got like 200
and something pages ofcurriculum outlines and stuff already.
And so I'm in the middle ofdoing all that and I'll ask it all
these questions from differentangles and sometimes it comes back
with exactly what you said,those words that matter because words
carry power in the. In theleveling up of coaches. And I think
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that's what you're bothsaying. We got to level up, cutting
edge. We got to be there. Andif we're not willing, then we're
part of that big chunk that'sgone. There's three things that strike
me as reasons we won't and Idon't mean us, but we coaches in
general. One is the head inthe sand thing. Pretending it's not
happening or pretending it'snot so bad or pretending we have
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a long time. We have anegative five minutes. It's already
here. Right. So the head inthe sand problem is one. The second
thing is I want you to imaginea big casino and all the blackjack
tables, a lot of them, andthey're all full, but they're full
of robots. And the only placethere is for a human to sit down,
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excuse me. Is in the highroller room where The Andy is $10,000.
Right. And so the Andy hasgone way up and being on the cutting
edge that you said that's hardbecause that requires you guys hear
me talk all the time aboutdaily creation and personal truth
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documents that requires thatwe live and be that if we're going
to be the people who walk intoa room and don't say anything but
the energy of our presencechanges the conversation. Yeah, that's
what we're talking about. Butthe barriers are heading to sand.
The Andy's gone way up andthis can be flipping hard to live
that way. So that's sort ofthe thinking and that's what I talk
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about, like all the time. Butyes, in the book, whatever. I don't
know. What do you guys thinkabout that?
Oh, yeah. I would say first ofall, coaching and being an entrepreneur
is not for the faint of heart.Right. So it's not for the weak.
It's not for those that arekind of Wishy washy. Even though
people do it all the time,every day. So when I was talking
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about occupying, I was inreference to becoming the person
that has the ability to beable to lead at that level. That
does not necessarily mean thatwe can take time off just because
we feel like it'll push theeasy button. You remember the little
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red easy buttons that cameout? That was easy. Yes. No, that
is not how this works.
Right.
That's not how any of thisworks. So that definitely means that
we have to engulf ourselvesor, or become even more determined
about what it is that we'redoing. Right. I believe in being
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passionate and intentionalabout how we do things these days.
Right. So aligning with thatpassion allows you to say, as you
quite often do, you know, youget up with love in your heart and
joy and you're ready to in theday and your energy. Right. Like,
I've learned just from beingin. In spaces like this that that
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is a true thing. And sohaving. When I am or I have the ability
to allow people to experiencethat, I find that they want more
of it the same way I wantedmore of it. So it has to be at the
forefront of a lot of thethings that we do, more so than just
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being intentional about it. Wehave to be it. Right. Live it, breathe
it, and embody it every singleday. So I think that that's really
important.
What do you think?
Well, the words walking ourtalk is, you know, it seems like
a platitude, but that's thehard stuff. Right. And I remember
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you saying in one of ourshared moments together, Kelly, you
know, you've got to get yourstuff handled. Right. If you're somebody
who's. Has got the, you know,have unresolved issues and demons
inside that you haven't, youknow, faced yet, people pick up on
that and they'll know. Right.Just by all of the signals that you
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put out. And so there's apurity of spirit, there's a generosity
of listening, there's a. Allthe things that come with that state
of being. And yeah, we allfall off every, you know, every now
and then. I mean, that's,that's our, you know, our imprint
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never disappears. It's alwaysthere to wake us up. And I, you know,
it's. It is a journey. And,you know, for, for the, you know,
I'm curious about how thegeneration is coming up. You know,
we're, we're mature beings.Right. We've been around on the planet
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for a while. I feel like I'veBeen on the planet for a good while
and I'm really concerned aboutwhat the next generation, how the
next generation will beequipped right to face their stuff.
You know, you call it, youknow, getting over their victim,
their victimhood mindset thatthat is probably one of the number
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one things in the way for allof us. And it, and, and it's, it's.
And we're living more and morein that victim culture. It's accepted
blame, it's a blame game. Andyou know, not me, you know, yeah,
I'm right there in the middleof it of all that drama. But there's
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the walking the talk whichmeans that I am also not airing my
challenges out as a way ofgetting attention but a real truth
telling about, you know, when,when I've had those moments so that
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people, especially the nextgeneration don't feel like they have
to be the performativeversions of themselves which most
of us are in our 20s anyway.Right. There's nothing different
or special about that. But inthis particular, you know, the set
of concerns that this set of,you know, 20 year olds is moving
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through is a completelydifferent world. So how, how do we,
how can we support them indoing the rapid, the rapid growth
place? So that's, I'm kind ofin, that's, that's where my head's
at right now around that zone.But the future of it is going to
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depend upon a lot of how they,how they start to walk their own
talk and step onto the path oftheir own self development.
I agree with you completelyand I. What it makes me think of
is in the Navajo culture andsome of the other Southwest Indian
cultures, you know, thegrandmas are in charge of stuff.
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And in other native culturesit's the old men, but it's the elders,
right? And the elders havethat wisdom and they have this calling
to be that right to be theaccumulated wisdom and so forth.
And in the last 30 years atleast the coaching industry is sort
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of. I just saw an ad the otherday by somebody and I'm not going
to mention who because youmight probably will recognize be
a life coach picture on thebeach. You can be, make good income
from wherever you want. And Ithought that is the stupidest ad
I've ever seen. It's suckinginto the idea that you're going to
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be able to do this fromanywhere when the truth of it is
at least to my opinion. Andyou guys are free to disagree because
of the rise of this technologywhich allows us to mimic empathy
and to give answers that aregood and to do frameworks and accountability
and all this stuff and, andmimic even better more and more empathy.
The calling of this peoplenurturing and encouragement thing
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is becoming more like theelders, like more sacred more something.
And that's what I'm feelinglike I got to do in order for it
to matter. Otherwise it won't.And so I, that's why I feel as urgent
about as I do. I don't know.Does that spark any thoughts?
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Yeah, I, I definitely say thatthat sparked lots of thoughts between
you and Lori and. And what youjust recently said. So we're in our.
We're in our grandparents age,right. So I am an official GG right.
I always tell everybody I'mgoing to be 25 forever. However,
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our. We think about in termsof legacy these days. And so in some
studies and research thatwe've been doing, it literally takes
one to two generations to, tochange and inherit core value or
instill true change. And sowith that we are already working
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with our grandbabies on whatgenerational wealth looks like or
the tendencies of what thatcould potentially be by teaching
them real skills around moneyand what that looks like. But for
them, they may never know lifewithout AI. Right. Because they're
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born under the premise ofthat. So taking into consideration
that that is, that's theirtruth. It is to our advantage to
learn their, their perspectiveand potentially the. The world that
they're going to live from.However, interject our core values
of being heart centered. Sothe two has to merge. Like there's
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not a. A way around this whenwe talk about the differences of
where they live from. However,I do believe that we're living in
the days of the ancient booksof saying that the, the older people
are called because they'rewise and the younger people are called
because they're strong.However, the generations grow weaker,
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more so than wiser. And why isthat? Because we have tools like
this that's doing the work forthem. So they don't, they don't cognitive
have to think as much aroundsome of the stuff. However, if they
are more heart centeredthey'll learn how to manage and flow
in a world that's everchanging. Outside of that they're,
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they're. They could be caughtup in all the. The flashiness of
society. You were going to saysomething, Kellen? I'm sorry.
No, no. I actually open mymouth to catch a fly. I'm thinking.
I don't know. There's a.There's. I want to talk about danger.
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Something you said Made methink of danger. So we've talked
about what AI is do, what itcan do, what it can't do, etc. And
you, you made me think about adanger. And that is if I use AI to
do a bunch of stuff that Idon't need to do anymore because
it does it better. One articleI read and it struck me was the process
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that I would have gonethrough, and I'm not talking about
mundane stuff, but the processthat I would have gone through to
do that thing, the thinking,the work, I now robbed of that process.
And so the becoming that couldhave happened in me, I don't have
anymore because that thingover there could do it so fast and
it's like atrophy, right?Spiritual, mental atrophy. And I
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think one of the things thatworries me about this is that sort
of thing. And I guess I wantedto flip the topic a little bit to
dangers and maybe I'm the onlyone. But are you seeing some things
that concern you? Because Ilike the work, the mental, the spiritual
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work because it tests me andit puts me through the fire and stuff
and I want that. And if Ididn't have that, it's like, ah,
right, right.
If you don't spend enough timein the goo as the caterpillar, you'll
never be the butterfly. Andit's, you know, it's a well worn
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metaphor. But you, you've gotto do the reps to build the muscle,
right? You've got to be ableto, you know, even if it's a New
York Times puzzle, you've gotto do something to keep the mind
in shape. And I think you'reabsolutely right that you know, as
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a former dancer, you know, Igo to concerts now or I, you know,
go to a nightclub wherethere's a band playing, a kick, a
kick ass band and soulful. AndI look behind me and the people at
the bar, they didn't even clapand they're pouring their, their
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voices out and it's almostlike they're so in their heads that
they can't even, they can'teven get up and you know, tap their
foot, right? And that to me isthe danger that we become so disembodied,
right? We forget how to dance.We forget that we can move and express
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our bodies and our minds andour voices. And if we don't do that,
I mean there are people who,what do they call it? I just learned
this expression, the Gen Zstare, right? Where there's, it's,
you know, I Just.
Learned it right now. So thereyou go.
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It's either I don't know whatyou're talking about, or that is
the stupidest thing that Iever heard, or I'm just gonna, you
know, like, I just cannot waitto get out of here. But that's like
that aversion and selfabsorption, that my way of perceiving
the world is the way the worldis. And that, to me, is one of the
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big dangers of this, is thatwe get the world reflected back to
us in a particular way becausewe're the ones who are asking the
questions to get thevalidation most of the time. And
then there are people like,you know, you, Kellen, and probably
me and Tabitha as well, whoare like, you know, all bsi. Come
on, let's. Let's talk aboutdoomsday, right? What is. What is
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it? That's actually what'sactually going to happen. And if
we lose our connection to the4 billion years of wisdom that lives
below our neck and in ourbrains, then we're going to start
to look differently. We'regoing to, you know, we're going to
be those aliens, I guess, withthe heads up to here and the dinosaur
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arms.
Tabitha, are you seeing dangers?
Yeah, I. I think that thedangers, though, started some time
ago with, with kids, like withthe video games, for example, right?
They don't go outside, theydon't play as much. They're not as
physical. So obesity is on therise and, and so many other things.
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However, I do see that there'sgoing to be folks like us, for example,
that's going to ring the bell,set off the sirens to say, hey, you
see where we're going, there'sdanger ahead. These are some of the
things that need to beimplemented, changed, and we'll see
some normalizing of some ofthese tools, meaning that just like
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the computer came on, thecomputer is going to, you know, it
does its job. It made our. Ourworld so much more efficient, but
there's still the need forhumans to do different aspects of
it. So I do believe that atsome point there'll be a normal normalizing
of all of this, but we'regoing to go through the ugly phase
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to get there. Meaning thatthose that. Oh, I don't. I don't
want to deal with that AIbecause the AI, you know, is everything,
including the devil.
Right.
But those that get on board,they're gonna. They're gonna love
it. And, and of course, someare gonna go to the extreme with
it, but then there's gonna bethe bulk of them that's gonna be
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here in the middle that isgoing to help to bring some sort
of normalcy to it. And thenwe'll, we'll learn how to operate
with it. I believe that, that,that that's coming. But the danger
is getting to the other sideof that, of the normalization.
Well, yeah, we don't want toturn out to be like you know, the
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pods in a thing in the Matrix.Right. Where everything is taking
place in our head and we'replugged in and all we are is blobs
in the blobs in the goo.Right. Well, thanks, both of you.
I see, you know, it's gonna,if we do it right, like you've just
described both of you, if wedo it right, it's going to free up
massive potential because ithas the ability to get rid of a whole
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bunch of crap that I was doingthat I didn't need to do. If I have
sense enough to retain thestuff that really develops and sharpens
me and I take the extra timeto like go in deep and do stuff that
I didn't have time to dotoday, this week, this month and
we use it that way, thenthere's real upside there. You guys
have any closing thoughts?
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Wait a minute, I need toconsult chat.
Okay, what are my closing thoughts?
I think, you know, I thinkfaith has got to be in here somewhere.
You know, the faith in thetrusting the future. Trusting the
future. And it's not going tobe without pain. It never is. I once
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visited a shaman and she toldme that Earth is like the Ivy League
of the galaxy. And I said,well that's an interesting expression.
Why did you say it that way?And she said, because it's so hard
here. And Earth is, Earth is aschool, right for us to learn all
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of, all of this. And you know,and the wheel turns. So I think trusting
the future, that's, that'swhere I choose to stand. Cool.
I love it. I was going to saythat. Face the, face the change head
on, right? It's going to, it'sgoing to present its own set of challenges.
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I do believe that life has itsway of being its own best teacher
if we're open to learning alesson. So same thing with AI is
just be open to endlesspossibilities that it can bring us
and understand that even withthe challenges as we embrace it,
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use it for what it is intendedto do, right? Help us to bring some
efficiency to some things aswell as it could potentially be game
changing if used right in themanner at which it serves us in our
businesses. So I think thisis. This is good where we get the
opportunity to say that we'rehere when it first started and we
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remember when and take thatand embrace it and then move forward.
Well, thanks, both of youguys. I really appreciate it. We
do. We have the opportunity.We create our lives. We know that
from a physics perspective inevery other way. And this tool doesn't
change any of that. It's justa new toy in the toolbox, and it's
a big flipping toy, but it'sstill a toy in the toolbox. Lori,
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thanks for being with me.
Let me say one more thing. Youknow, I think it's really important
that we're intentional in theway that we think about it. Right.
That which we focus on expands.
Right.
And so it just. Sorry. Just.Just without that intentionality,
it can either happen to us orfor us.
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Love it. Absolutely. Well,thanks, Lori, for being here with
me today.
Thank you, Kellen, for having me.
Thanks for having me. I mean,being here with me to talk about
this stuff. I appreciate bothof you.
Yes, thank you. Thank you.
That was wonderful.
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Today I've got a couple ofguests. This particular episode is
one of the special Thursdayepisodes about coaching. And what
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we're going to explore here iswe're going to explore the rise of
AI, artificial intelligenceand what it will or won't do to coaching
and the experience that thesetwo coaches have got. So Laurie and
Tabitha, welcome to the show.
Thank you to be here.
You are both welcome anddelightful. I know that both these
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women are coaches and coachdifferent things and that doesn't
really matter what they coach.So I'm not going to like direct this.
It's just going to be someconversation. I'll ask a couple questions,
get started and then we'll,we'll talk about it and go from there.
So it's not formatted.Tabitha, I'm curious and I'll probably
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ask you this too, Lori. How doyou use AI not just to find recipes.
I'm saying that because mywife does that. Not just for that
or to write emails, but howare you using one or other model
of AI in your coaching right now?
Thank you so much for thatquestion. The way that we use AI
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is really in automations,right? Because we have a coaching
business. It has helped us tostreamline some things that we would
do normally on a regularbasis, but we have been able to implement
it. So it made life so mucheasier to have those repeatable processes
now done through automation,using AI specifically to help us
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with some of the tasks thatwe've been doing. So it essentially
has allowed us to get backsome more hours in our day.
Do you find that lets youhandle more clients? Or maybe that
wasn't the objective. Maybeit's just to reduce the time involved.
Do you find that it helps youthat way?
Oh yeah, it absolutely allowsus to service more clients because
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we don't when they sign up,like they take them through the onboarding
process as well as theopportunity for them to send us some
correspondence as well aspeople that may go to our website,
excuse me, for example, itwill allow them to be able to get
some questions answered a lotquicker. So it's driven some efficiencies
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in the business for sure.
Cool. Lori. So I'm morecurious about the same thing. Are
you and if you are, how areyou using? And I wasn't, I didn't
ask any of this ahead of time.So listeners, I have no idea what
they're doing with it or notdoing. Lori, what's your relationship
in the context of yourbusiness with AI?
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I would say it's prettyintimate actually. The relationship
that is I am using it foractually as a thought partner in
developing proposals, inputting together programs and also
in helping even sometimes evenbefore a coaching call when I know
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that something is coming up.And so I'll, you know, explore different
approaches. I've used it inalso some for lead generation and
also I'm exploring right nowhave a relationship with an AI company
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that is actually, it's calledPiloteer and it actually is a way
to give primarily mid marketcompanies feedback to their staff
or from their staff to theirstaffs as well as non biased feedback
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to the CEOs in such a way thatthis is not to eliminate coaching
but to actually give anopportunity because they don't, you
know, that particular platformdoesn't provide like AI coaching
but it does help provide thefeedback and then the coaching becomes
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the piece that is deliveringthe models, the actual face to face,
one on one coaching.
Cool. So if you look, if youlook in the future like in writing
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the book Coaching in the Riseof AI, it took me about four months
and first month or so wasspent many, many hours a day just
doing research and I analyzeda bunch of 11 coaching models that
exist in the world. They'repromised outcomes and you know, their
vulnerabilities to AI in termsof what they do and what AI might
do and so forth. And I noticedtwo things. One is I noticed in the
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four months it took me towrite it, the skills and capability
of AI doubled in that periodof time. And what I also noticed
is that lots of coachingmodels are very, very, very vulnerable
to, to AI. At least that's howit occurred to me. And so the question
for you guys is if you look inthe future, three months, six months,
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a year, what do you think'sgonna happen if anything? Maybe you
think it's not a big deal, butwhat do you think's gonna happen
in the coaching industry? AndI don't care who talks first.
Yeah, I'll, I'll talk first.So I believe that the space of coaching
is going to Change drasticallyfrom the standpoint of how much people
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rely on chat, GPT or, or oneof the other coaching models primarily
as a, as a thought partner.Right. Like as Lori was saying and
I've seen where that hasalready started to happen. Like I
believe the last time I lookedat the stats it was like 71% of companies
have implemented some sort ofAI at least in one of their practices
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within their business. So thefact that companies are already moving
at the speed of light withimplementation coaching and clients
the same, they're looking atit as their new Google. And so they're
relying upon the informationthat's coming across. So there is
a lot of legitimacy around itchanging at the speed of light, literally.
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And so just from some of myclients I see them relying on it
a lot more as well.
You know, it's a funny thing,Lori, I want you to think about that
too. But the guy that wrotethe forward for the book is a, is
a hotshot coach and makes alot of money and has been, has for
a long time, is verysuccessful and that's why I asked
him to write the forward andhe loved it. And he said one of the
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things he said in the forwardwas a funny story. He said he had
an argument or some kind of adisagreement with his wife and they
went to bed, you know, and thenext morning she was all tuned up,
no problem at all. And heasked what happened and she said
oh, I had a conversation withChad GPT and it coached me through.
Yeah coached me through thisthing and I'm all tuned up. And he's
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like boom.
Yeah that right.
And he told that story in theforeword as preface. So anyway, it
just reminded me of that whenyou said that Tabitha.
Yeah.
So Laurie, what do you think?
Yeah, well, first of all, Iappreciate Tabitha bringing the statistical
analysis into theconversation. I think that's your
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gift, Tabitha. Something thatI would rely on you and chat for.
That being said, I kind ofhave like one of these forks in the
road kind of when I thinkabout the future is potentially it
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could go one way or the other.Right. And I do I will just give
you some context around this.Developing a program that would specifically
designed for Gen Z, doing alive version of it, but trying to
figure out how to transitionto an all self guided platform and
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in that exploration have runinto opportunities where AI avatars
can actually have groupconversations and with sensing AI
actually read the emotionaltenancy, etc. All of that being said
in the inquiry about actuallydeveloping this program, there's
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a Huge piece in there aroundpsychological safety that I think
is. You could look at it from,oh well, the bot is going to give
me all the psychologicalsafety I need. And case in point,
when I was working withPiloteer, I got feedback from it
and I was like, I'm so glad Igot my feedback from it and not my
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husband. To your, to yourstory. Right. Because it would have
been a completely differentconversation. But all along the way,
I do feel that as a somaticcoach, we are, you know, we're flesh
and blood and I think thatthey're much like, you know, Gen
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Z is putting their phones downnow. You know, they don't want to
bring the electronics into thespace anymore. I would imagine that
there would be some backlashfrom that. And you know, I think
that you're seeing it now,you're seeing what will be exaggerated
in the future. There'll bethis clash of old versus new and
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there will be people who willalways want to have the traditional
face to face and communityconversations, real time and the
simulation of humanity asclose as it is in a humanity. So,
you know, I'm kind of. Is itwishful thinking? Maybe. But I think
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that, you know, it all dependsupon who's in charge. Right. In terms
of how this is all going toevolve both on earth and beyond.
Right. In terms, in terms ofdestiny, of how we're going to shape,
you know, how we choose toshape it rather than it shaping us.
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I think it's going to be a co creation.
So that's, that's fascinating.A couple of things that, that I notice
is I'm really bold in the bookand I'm going to probably piss a
lot of people off. And that'sokay because that's just killing.
But one of the things I thinkis that the coaching world, the way
that it's practiced right nowfor the most part, is very vulnerable
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and will be completelyhollowed out. And while I completely
agree with you, Laurie,there's always going to be a need
and there's a total power init. That's why I only say 95% of
coaches are going to be out ofbusiness by Christmas of next year,
which is the conclusion I cameto. But the coaching that is, you
know, tools, you learned thatkind of stuff. Frameworks and tools
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and practices and, you know,NLP and ontological stuff and a particular
order of questioning. I mean,all that crap's gonna evaporate.
I think that's my opinion. AndI'm throwing that out there to, for
you guys to either Agree ordisagree with, I don't care. But
the reason is because AI cando that faster and better. And there's
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going to be, I think we ascoaches, we're going to have to do
something completely differentor way better than we're doing right
now or we're going to be outof luck and out to lunch. So what
do you guys think about that?
I'm going to step in herebecause it's one thing to understand
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a model and it's a whole otherthing to take it out into the world
and practice it and fall onyour face and break your nose. Right.
And that for me, you know, forme it's all about the experiential
and the application and thenbeing in a vulnerable spot with your
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peers, for instance, or faceto face with a coach to say, well
now what are you going to doright now that you had that wake
up call? Yes, a bot could dothat. But the transference of the
tools and models, yes,anybody's going to have access to
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all the above, but that doesnot guarantee that people are actually
going to put it in play. Andthat's where I'm actually focused
right now is actuallydeveloping experiences that people
are, you know, going to beconfronted and embarrassed and taken
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apart a little bit, which aswe know, you know, sometimes that's
what has to happen in orderfor the breakthrough to occur.
So let me just go down thatroad a little bit and Tabitha, I
want you to thought about in aminute. I agree with you. And I guess
my observation, I've been toseveral coaching schools and learned
lots of different methods andI'm sure you guys have too. What
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I'm. What I see and the reasonI think right today coaches have
a hard time making a living. Imean, more than 50% or 60% of coaches
don't make over 50k. And likewe know those statistics. And the
reason is because it'sperformative and the coach is using
the tools the way that theylearned them. But there's no power,
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there's no true power tocreate the kind of transference that
you're talking about. Yeah, inother words, they're talking about
words, but they're notembodying the truth of the principles
that they teach. And that'swhy I see this whole middle, and
by middle I mean like all ofit almost being, being pulled out
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because people aren't doingthat today. I hear coaches say all
the time to me, well, I'mreally good at helping other people
see and solve their problems.And when it Comes to my own. I can't
do this. And I want to screamwhen I hear that. Because all that
says is you're not a productto the product.
Exactly.
Because if you were flippingproduct to the product, that wouldn't
be true. So Tabitha, what wasyour thoughts about all this?
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Yeah, so I definitely agreethat AI is not going to be able to
replace that human element.And I know just from firsthand that
having someone there that cangive you the personal accountability
and understand the emotionalside of the problem that the person
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is going through I think isgoing to be the thing that makes
the difference. Like we're,we're all heart centered individuals.
So being able to now connectwith people on that interpersonal
level is definitely going tobe, I think, the thing that's going
to allow that 5% Kellen tooutshine. And last in the marketplace,
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I do agree that a lot ofpeople that are operating that are
mediocre today in theircoaching is going to see a drastic
change and a withdrawal ofpeople requesting services because
they're not able to reallyconnect and address a lot of the
pain points and, or eithertopics that they may have. Now that's
(16:53):
not to say that the 5% is notgoing to have to adjust somewhat,
but I think starting now andunderstanding the real power of AI
is the, that's the secret toit, right? Because you get to utilize
that for what it, what it is.However, find your USP in that, right,
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Your unique sellingproposition and then move forward
with that in a trajectorythat's going to allow people to be
able to see themselves in yourspace and connect with you on those
levels. I think it's going tomake the difference.
So I had an interestingexperience in the researching of
this. I had a thread I put inChatty and I had several names for
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it, but I've spent enoughhundreds of hours in there that I
have names for it. All right,so I. One thread was called One Million
Words and put all my books inthere and podcast transcripts and
you know, ask it and it toldme it was more like 4 million words.
But anyway, okay, fine. And sowhen it talks to me, it talks like
me, right? I mean it,everything, it talks like me and
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everything else. And I ask it,okay, tell me who I am. And I, I
understand its bias towardaffirmation and all the rest of it.
And I said so no bs, I don'twant any of that crap. I said, so
cut the fluff and don't do,you know, and I talk to it like that
and so tell me who I am. Andso it wrote some stuff, and as I
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read it, I got emotional.Like, I was emotionally affected
by that, and at first itpissed me off. And I thought, how
come I'm having this response?So I said, okay, I'm having an emotional
response to these words. Yousaid, like, your code. You can't
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do that. How come I'm feelingthis way? And it said, I'm not doing
anything. What I'm doing isreflecting who you are. And I thought,
oh, okay, right. And so thenafter I said all that, I said, okay,
fine, you do all this reallygood, and you do this good, and you
do this good everything. Whatdo you suck at? Like, what can't
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you do? Like, what are youlike after did all these analysis
of different models, what areyou going to never do? And it said
lots of stuff, but it said oneline that I'm going to share with
you that I think captures theessence of what you were talking
about, Tabitha, and that is itsaid, I can't bleed. And I went,
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oh, okay, so let's start fromthere. You can't bleed. And all the
things that that means interms of the truth of connection
and everything. So what do youthink are going to be the requirements
that are different? Because Ithink the game's changed, like, big
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time. Not a little, but, like,a lot. So what do you think is going
to change, have to change forcoaches to stay, like, really in
the game?
I think you're pointing to itwith the depth of. And also what
Tabitha was saying about thatnormalization that comes from true
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vulnerability. Right. I'vebeen there. Right. Chat can only
talk about what it would belike if it was there, but it's never
there. Right. So I think that.That, you know, your experience of
that depth of reflection issomething that I think every coach
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aspires to, but only some canreally do, right? Or actually stepping
into that state of being withsomeone is from my perspective, that
is. That is when the workreally shifts, right? When somebody
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actually feels gotten at everylevel and have themselves reflected
back to them at a. At a levelthat, you know, obviously for you,
it was. It blew you away.
And.
When there's somebody thatdoesn't look like me and doesn't
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sound like me is reflecting meback to me is like, wow, you know,
I'll follow you anywhere kindof thing. And so I think that what's
required is the de. Armoringof our state of being. Right? There's
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that. There's that sort ofcode of, you know, Sort of. I'm not
gonna, I'm not gonna getsucked into my client's world, you
know, thing. And I've gotmixed feelings about that. It's like,
you know, if I'm armored up tothe point where I'm not actually
really truly in their worldwith them, I think that we've lost
(22:09):
something. And that means thatI have to bring my, you know, my
portable safety with me.Right. And my boundaries. So, you
know, it's a. It's acomplicated. It's a complicated issue,
I think.
Yeah, I think that there issome, some complication there. But
(22:32):
I believe that we'll define itas we go along. Right. Like as we.
I always like to say that as acoach, we owe it not just to ourselves
but to our clients to be onthe cutting edge of innovation and
our, our niche. Right.Whatever it is that we're doing,
we should aspire to master it.And I believe that that is going
(22:55):
to be the thing that is goingto set us apart when we are the best
of the best that there is inthat niche. Like when people think
of what it is that you do,Somatics, for example, they should
literally think of lo. Theythink of Kellen, the ultimate alchemist,
right. The. There. Thereshould not be another person that
(23:18):
comes up. But that also meansthat we occupy that space in such
a way to. It's big that, thatit. It is. We take up more space
when it comes to our sphere ofgenius. And I believe that that is
going to be some of the thingsthat is going to continue to set
us apart and, and to be knownfor what it is that we do in the
(23:41):
space of providing realtransformation. So I do believe that
that is going to be the thingthat's going to become game changing
for all involved in the spaceof coaching.
There's three, three thingsthat. Did you, Laurie, did you have
a thing you wanted to say?
Yeah, it was. Tabitha wasinspiring me and it was giving me.
(24:04):
She was giving me the thoughtbecause I've had this direct experience.
We're co create the idea of cocreation. You may have noticed that
you started, you started tothink differently. I've noticed that
I'm starting to be shaped bythe, you know, sort of the tsunami
(24:31):
of wisdom. It's wisdom,ancient wisdom that is so much more
available and, and you know,like that woman who, you know, talked
to chat so that she could getover her husband's whatever issue.
Right. It is evolving us aswe're evolving it. And so, you know,
(25:01):
yes to everything Tabitha saidBut I've noticed that personally.
Right. There's just adifferent sort of context in which
we're living that we've neverlived in this context ever before.
I've copied and saved a lot ofstuff that it said and I just save
(25:22):
it in a folder about things.I'll ask it different stuff. And
because I'm busy creatinguniversity and I've got like 200
and something pages ofcurriculum outlines and stuff already.
And so I'm in the middle ofdoing all that and I'll ask it all
these questions from differentangles and sometimes it comes back
with exactly what you said,those words that matter because words
carry power in the. In theleveling up of coaches. And I think
(25:47):
that's what you're bothsaying. We got to level up, cutting
edge. We got to be there. Andif we're not willing, then we're
part of that big chunk that'sgone. There's three things that strike
me as reasons we won't and Idon't mean us, but we coaches in
general. One is the head inthe sand thing. Pretending it's not
happening or pretending it'snot so bad or pretending we have
(26:10):
a long time. We have anegative five minutes. It's already
here. Right. So the head inthe sand problem is one. The second
thing is I want you to imaginea big casino and all the blackjack
tables, a lot of them, andthey're all full, but they're full
of robots. And the only placethere is for a human to sit down,
(26:34):
excuse me. Is in the highroller room where The Andy is $10,000.
Right. And so the Andy hasgone way up and being on the cutting
edge that you said that's hardbecause that requires you guys hear
me talk all the time aboutdaily creation and personal truth
(26:55):
documents that requires thatwe live and be that if we're going
to be the people who walk intoa room and don't say anything but
the energy of our presencechanges the conversation. Yeah, that's
what we're talking about. Butthe barriers are heading to sand.
The Andy's gone way up andthis can be flipping hard to live
that way. So that's sort ofthe thinking and that's what I talk
(27:18):
about, like all the time. Butyes, in the book, whatever. I don't
know. What do you guys thinkabout that?
Oh, yeah. I would say first ofall, coaching and being an entrepreneur
is not for the faint of heart.Right. So it's not for the weak.
It's not for those that arekind of Wishy washy. Even though
people do it all the time,every day. So when I was talking
(27:40):
about occupying, I was inreference to becoming the person
that has the ability to beable to lead at that level. That
does not necessarily mean thatwe can take time off just because
we feel like it'll push theeasy button. You remember the little
(28:01):
red easy buttons that cameout? That was easy. Yes. No, that
is not how this works.
Right.
That's not how any of thisworks. So that definitely means that
we have to engulf ourselvesor, or become even more determined
about what it is that we'redoing. Right. I believe in being
(28:23):
passionate and intentionalabout how we do things these days.
Right. So aligning with thatpassion allows you to say, as you
quite often do, you know, youget up with love in your heart and
joy and you're ready to in theday and your energy. Right. Like,
I've learned just from beingin. In spaces like this that that
(28:47):
is a true thing. And sohaving. When I am or I have the ability
to allow people to experiencethat, I find that they want more
of it the same way I wantedmore of it. So it has to be at the
forefront of a lot of thethings that we do, more so than just
(29:08):
being intentional about it. Wehave to be it. Right. Live it, breathe
it, and embody it every singleday. So I think that that's really
important.
What do you think?
Well, the words walking ourtalk is, you know, it seems like
a platitude, but that's thehard stuff. Right. And I remember
(29:32):
you saying in one of ourshared moments together, Kelly, you
know, you've got to get yourstuff handled. Right. If you're somebody
who's. Has got the, you know,have unresolved issues and demons
inside that you haven't, youknow, faced yet, people pick up on
that and they'll know. Right.Just by all of the signals that you
(29:56):
put out. And so there's apurity of spirit, there's a generosity
of listening, there's a. Allthe things that come with that state
of being. And yeah, we allfall off every, you know, every now
and then. I mean, that's,that's our, you know, our imprint
(30:19):
never disappears. It's alwaysthere to wake us up. And I, you know,
it's. It is a journey. And,you know, for, for the, you know,
I'm curious about how thegeneration is coming up. You know,
we're, we're mature beings.Right. We've been around on the planet
(30:39):
for a while. I feel like I'veBeen on the planet for a good while
and I'm really concerned aboutwhat the next generation, how the
next generation will beequipped right to face their stuff.
You know, you call it, youknow, getting over their victim,
their victimhood mindset thatthat is probably one of the number
(31:04):
one things in the way for allof us. And it, and, and it's, it's.
And we're living more and morein that victim culture. It's accepted
blame, it's a blame game. Andyou know, not me, you know, yeah,
I'm right there in the middleof it of all that drama. But there's
(31:26):
the walking the talk whichmeans that I am also not airing my
challenges out as a way ofgetting attention but a real truth
telling about, you know, when,when I've had those moments so that
(31:47):
people, especially the nextgeneration don't feel like they have
to be the performativeversions of themselves which most
of us are in our 20s anyway.Right. There's nothing different
or special about that. But inthis particular, you know, the set
of concerns that this set of,you know, 20 year olds is moving
(32:07):
through is a completelydifferent world. So how, how do we,
how can we support them indoing the rapid, the rapid growth
place? So that's, I'm kind ofin, that's, that's where my head's
at right now around that zone.But the future of it is going to
(32:30):
depend upon a lot of how they,how they start to walk their own
talk and step onto the path oftheir own self development.
I agree with you completelyand I. What it makes me think of
is in the Navajo culture andsome of the other Southwest Indian
cultures, you know, thegrandmas are in charge of stuff.
(32:51):
And in other native culturesit's the old men, but it's the elders,
right? And the elders havethat wisdom and they have this calling
to be that right to be theaccumulated wisdom and so forth.
And in the last 30 years atleast the coaching industry is sort
(33:12):
of. I just saw an ad the otherday by somebody and I'm not going
to mention who because youmight probably will recognize be
a life coach picture on thebeach. You can be, make good income
from wherever you want. And Ithought that is the stupidest ad
I've ever seen. It's suckinginto the idea that you're going to
(33:32):
be able to do this fromanywhere when the truth of it is
at least to my opinion. Andyou guys are free to disagree because
of the rise of this technologywhich allows us to mimic empathy
and to give answers that aregood and to do frameworks and accountability
and all this stuff and, andmimic even better more and more empathy.
The calling of this peoplenurturing and encouragement thing
(33:57):
is becoming more like theelders, like more sacred more something.
And that's what I'm feelinglike I got to do in order for it
to matter. Otherwise it won't.And so I, that's why I feel as urgent
about as I do. I don't know.Does that spark any thoughts?
(34:22):
Yeah, I, I definitely say thatthat sparked lots of thoughts between
you and Lori and. And what youjust recently said. So we're in our.
We're in our grandparents age,right. So I am an official GG right.
I always tell everybody I'mgoing to be 25 forever. However,
(34:43):
our. We think about in termsof legacy these days. And so in some
studies and research thatwe've been doing, it literally takes
one to two generations to, tochange and inherit core value or
instill true change. And sowith that we are already working
(35:08):
with our grandbabies on whatgenerational wealth looks like or
the tendencies of what thatcould potentially be by teaching
them real skills around moneyand what that looks like. But for
them, they may never know lifewithout AI. Right. Because they're
(35:29):
born under the premise ofthat. So taking into consideration
that that is, that's theirtruth. It is to our advantage to
learn their, their perspectiveand potentially the. The world that
they're going to live from.However, interject our core values
of being heart centered. Sothe two has to merge. Like there's
(35:53):
not a. A way around this whenwe talk about the differences of
where they live from. However,I do believe that we're living in
the days of the ancient booksof saying that the, the older people
are called because they'rewise and the younger people are called
because they're strong.However, the generations grow weaker,
(36:17):
more so than wiser. And why isthat? Because we have tools like
this that's doing the work forthem. So they don't, they don't cognitive
have to think as much aroundsome of the stuff. However, if they
are more heart centeredthey'll learn how to manage and flow
in a world that's everchanging. Outside of that they're,
(36:42):
they're. They could be caughtup in all the. The flashiness of
society. You were going to saysomething, Kellen? I'm sorry.
No, no. I actually open mymouth to catch a fly. I'm thinking.
I don't know. There's a.There's. I want to talk about danger.
(37:04):
Something you said Made methink of danger. So we've talked
about what AI is do, what itcan do, what it can't do, etc. And
you, you made me think about adanger. And that is if I use AI to
do a bunch of stuff that Idon't need to do anymore because
it does it better. One articleI read and it struck me was the process
(37:27):
that I would have gonethrough, and I'm not talking about
mundane stuff, but the processthat I would have gone through to
do that thing, the thinking,the work, I now robbed of that process.
And so the becoming that couldhave happened in me, I don't have
anymore because that thingover there could do it so fast and
it's like atrophy, right?Spiritual, mental atrophy. And I
(37:51):
think one of the things thatworries me about this is that sort
of thing. And I guess I wantedto flip the topic a little bit to
dangers and maybe I'm the onlyone. But are you seeing some things
that concern you? Because Ilike the work, the mental, the spiritual
(38:13):
work because it tests me andit puts me through the fire and stuff
and I want that. And if Ididn't have that, it's like, ah,
right, right.
If you don't spend enough timein the goo as the caterpillar, you'll
never be the butterfly. Andit's, you know, it's a well worn
(38:34):
metaphor. But you, you've gotto do the reps to build the muscle,
right? You've got to be ableto, you know, even if it's a New
York Times puzzle, you've gotto do something to keep the mind
in shape. And I think you'reabsolutely right that you know, as
(38:59):
a former dancer, you know, Igo to concerts now or I, you know,
go to a nightclub wherethere's a band playing, a kick, a
kick ass band and soulful. AndI look behind me and the people at
the bar, they didn't even clapand they're pouring their, their
(39:22):
voices out and it's almostlike they're so in their heads that
they can't even, they can'teven get up and you know, tap their
foot, right? And that to me isthe danger that we become so disembodied,
right? We forget how to dance.We forget that we can move and express
(39:45):
our bodies and our minds andour voices. And if we don't do that,
I mean there are people who,what do they call it? I just learned
this expression, the Gen Zstare, right? Where there's, it's,
you know, I Just.
Learned it right now. So thereyou go.
(40:05):
It's either I don't know whatyou're talking about, or that is
the stupidest thing that Iever heard, or I'm just gonna, you
know, like, I just cannot waitto get out of here. But that's like
that aversion and selfabsorption, that my way of perceiving
the world is the way the worldis. And that, to me, is one of the
(40:30):
big dangers of this, is thatwe get the world reflected back to
us in a particular way becausewe're the ones who are asking the
questions to get thevalidation most of the time. And
then there are people like,you know, you, Kellen, and probably
me and Tabitha as well, whoare like, you know, all bsi. Come
on, let's. Let's talk aboutdoomsday, right? What is. What is
(40:57):
it? That's actually what'sactually going to happen. And if
we lose our connection to the4 billion years of wisdom that lives
below our neck and in ourbrains, then we're going to start
to look differently. We'regoing to, you know, we're going to
be those aliens, I guess, withthe heads up to here and the dinosaur
(41:20):
arms.
Tabitha, are you seeing dangers?
Yeah, I. I think that thedangers, though, started some time
ago with, with kids, like withthe video games, for example, right?
They don't go outside, theydon't play as much. They're not as
physical. So obesity is on therise and, and so many other things.
(41:46):
However, I do see that there'sgoing to be folks like us, for example,
that's going to ring the bell,set off the sirens to say, hey, you
see where we're going, there'sdanger ahead. These are some of the
things that need to beimplemented, changed, and we'll see
some normalizing of some ofthese tools, meaning that just like
(42:09):
the computer came on, thecomputer is going to, you know, it
does its job. It made our. Ourworld so much more efficient, but
there's still the need forhumans to do different aspects of
it. So I do believe that atsome point there'll be a normal normalizing
of all of this, but we'regoing to go through the ugly phase
(42:30):
to get there. Meaning thatthose that. Oh, I don't. I don't
want to deal with that AIbecause the AI, you know, is everything,
including the devil.
Right.
But those that get on board,they're gonna. They're gonna love
it. And, and of course, someare gonna go to the extreme with
it, but then there's gonna bethe bulk of them that's gonna be
(42:53):
here in the middle that isgoing to help to bring some sort
of normalcy to it. And thenwe'll, we'll learn how to operate
with it. I believe that, that,that that's coming. But the danger
is getting to the other sideof that, of the normalization.
Well, yeah, we don't want toturn out to be like you know, the
(43:16):
pods in a thing in the Matrix.Right. Where everything is taking
place in our head and we'replugged in and all we are is blobs
in the blobs in the goo.Right. Well, thanks, both of you.
I see, you know, it's gonna,if we do it right, like you've just
described both of you, if wedo it right, it's going to free up
massive potential because ithas the ability to get rid of a whole
(43:39):
bunch of crap that I was doingthat I didn't need to do. If I have
sense enough to retain thestuff that really develops and sharpens
me and I take the extra timeto like go in deep and do stuff that
I didn't have time to dotoday, this week, this month and
we use it that way, thenthere's real upside there. You guys
have any closing thoughts?
(43:59):
Wait a minute, I need toconsult chat.
Okay, what are my closing thoughts?
I think, you know, I thinkfaith has got to be in here somewhere.
You know, the faith in thetrusting the future. Trusting the
future. And it's not going tobe without pain. It never is. I once
(44:24):
visited a shaman and she toldme that Earth is like the Ivy League
of the galaxy. And I said,well that's an interesting expression.
Why did you say it that way?And she said, because it's so hard
here. And Earth is, Earth is aschool, right for us to learn all
(44:45):
of, all of this. And you know,and the wheel turns. So I think trusting
the future, that's, that'swhere I choose to stand. Cool.
I love it. I was going to saythat. Face the, face the change head
on, right? It's going to, it'sgoing to present its own set of challenges.
(45:07):
I do believe that life has itsway of being its own best teacher
if we're open to learning alesson. So same thing with AI is
just be open to endlesspossibilities that it can bring us
and understand that even withthe challenges as we embrace it,
(45:28):
use it for what it is intendedto do, right? Help us to bring some
efficiency to some things aswell as it could potentially be game
changing if used right in themanner at which it serves us in our
businesses. So I think thisis. This is good where we get the
opportunity to say that we'rehere when it first started and we
(45:52):
remember when and take thatand embrace it and then move forward.
Well, thanks, both of youguys. I really appreciate it. We
do. We have the opportunity.We create our lives. We know that
from a physics perspective inevery other way. And this tool doesn't
change any of that. It's justa new toy in the toolbox, and it's
a big flipping toy, but it'sstill a toy in the toolbox. Lori,
(46:15):
thanks for being with me.
Let me say one more thing. Youknow, I think it's really important
that we're intentional in theway that we think about it. Right.
That which we focus on expands.
Right.
And so it just. Sorry. Just.Just without that intentionality,
it can either happen to us orfor us.
(46:37):
Love it. Absolutely. Well,thanks, Lori, for being here with
me today.
Thank you, Kellen, for having me.
Thanks for having me. I mean,being here with me to talk about
this stuff. I appreciate bothof you.
Yes, thank you. Thank you.
That was wonderful.
So, listeners, I want you topay attention here, because this
is different. If you've beenfollowing these coaching podcasts,
(46:59):
every one of them is, like,way different in some other galaxy.
And that's good because thatmeans that people are thinking about
this and these experiencedcoaches have brought different perspectives.
And the point of all of thisstuff, like all the other episodes,
is to give you the tools, theperspective, and spark some thinking
so that you can create yourultimate life right here, right now.
(47:30):
Your opportunity for massivegrowth is right in front you of of
you. Every episode gives youpractical tips and practices that
will change everything. If youwant to know more, go to kellenflukeigermedia.com
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