Brisbane Are Your 2025 PREMIERS! + Should They Change the Brownlow System? | Zero Access Footy 32

Brisbane have officially won the 2025 Toyota AFL Grand Final, beating Geelong by 47 points in a second half storm! Join Behm and Rhys as they dissect the difference in first and second halves of the game, as well as what allowed Brisbane to take control. We cover all 18 teams and giving them a grade for their overall season, analyse whether the Brownlow medal should have a different voting system and review our bold predictions from the start of the year!

Episode Transcript

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G'day everyone, welcome back to 0 Access Footy.
We are here with episode #32 ourgrand final review episode.
We're going to have a look at the fantastic Saturday that
showed us a lot, created some more legacy.
I wouldn't say ruined anyones legacy per se, but at the same
time definitely a story of two sides in in terms of a final

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quarter at the very least. And we're going to go into more
and more details to get stuck into it.
But of course I'm joined by the premiership quarter who's been
doing well for himself as a recent and I am.
Wonder. Hey, you got it's better than no
hits, mate. It's better than no hits, but
we're going to have a look at everything that's happened on
the Saturday the most recent, the 27th of September, Brisbane

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versus Geelong, the AFL Grand final for 2025 S.
Lots of things to get stuck intoand we'll start off with the
first half. So final score doesn't really
tell the whole game story, no. But definitely.
Not as you can see, Brisbane wonby 47.
Unfortunately, it's just the case of, yeah, like we said,

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score doesn't really show exactly what the game produced.
It blew out to as big as 60 points or as close to 65 points.
At one stage. Very large.
The difference. Ollie Dempsey was the laziest
four goals, probably the saddestfour goals that I've ever seen.
They're all from the goal square.
Somewhere and he did not, he didnot celebrate any of them.
Don't blame it. Maybe.

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Yeah, I was going to say except for the first one, but the other
3 I'd imagine he wasn't too happy about.
But we're going to have a look at everything that happened in
this game because there are so many different moments that you
really got to get excited about.And I think one of the big
stories here is that Jeremy Cameron fractured arm.
So that was something that he played through.

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And in the third quarter specifically, there was a moment
that is really shows the character of Jeremy Cameron.
But we'll get to that once we get to the second half.
First half though, it was reallyscrappy.
It was like the best start to a grand final.
I like to see in the both sides,they're making mistakes.
It's the way a grand final usually goes, in the sense that

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you're kind of playing yourself into the moment.
You're not quite there yet, evenas much as you've prepared
yourself for this game. You keep mentally putting
yourself into packs, making clean possessions, whatever you
can do to get yourself stuck into the moment, and we talk
about 10 minutes of game time. It was a long time before Lee

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Dempsey kicked the opener. It was a long time, yeah.
And I didn't have him for first goal, unfortunately.
I don't know. I don't know how many people had
him. He's definitely one that pops up
for a cheeky one every now and then.
I'm just more trying to think who was the favourite.
Jeremy Cameron I'm presuming wasthe favourite probably, but
there were loads. You could have taken the first
again, Dempsey, who was the one.Stengel could have done it.

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Dangerfield could have done it. Doesn't matter, but yeah, I
mean. Yeah, it's first goal doesn't
really matter, more the sake of it.
Kind of shows you how scrappy that first part was and the
pressure was good on both sides.To me it showed the fact that
because it was, it was a one on one in the end, but it was a
huge handball over the top that got in the goal that Brisbane

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were sort of fumbling more than Geelong.
Both teams were very fumbling because the pressure was right
out there and that's what you want to say in the Grand.
Final Brisbane's pressure ratingwas higher in that in that small
period of time at the very leastbut yeah, I think it's because
it lived in Geelong's forward 50to the 1st 10 minutes yeah it.
Did, and I mean Brisbane were inaccurate as well?
Sort of. I think Zach Bailey kicked 4

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behinds in the first quarter alone, which is the tide most
ever which is just. God, Brisbane fans are just
throwing hands punch in the air.It's their, it's their biggest
problem over the last 3-4 years.And so like they were like, I'm
sure shitting themselves saying,oh, it's bad, like.
If they lost this game, they would have been like that,
absolutely. He could have had the greatest

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first quarter for a grand final we've ever seen, like He could
have had four goals in the in the first quarter like.
Brisbane. Were there any that would like,
not by any means, like a massivestretch to be a goal?
Because I know for a fact there were some that were like really?
They're Zack Bailey goals. They're usually Zack Bailey
goals. At least this year he'd
definitely been kicking them. But I think, yeah, for that

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first quarter, Geelong were ableto deal with the pressure better
than Brisbane. And you could say that with the
the fact that they were able to get over the top a few more
times. But you could see with Brisbane
that for the most part, once they got out of that stoppage,
that ball movement was still there, which is in the first
qualifying final between these two teams.
You sort of saw that pressure from Geelong.

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They were able to turn, turn theball over and get scores off of
that. They weren't able to do that.
It was just the pressure at the contest and the coalface was so
much stronger than it was in that original.
And that leads into the second quarter where my ball prediction
was that, let me get it up righthere.
The first half is completely split, each team sort of
dominates the scoreboard in 1/4 and that leaves the first half

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completely tied. And it was so the first half
ended up 3636, which is for the first time since 1909, Fantastic
that a grand finalist finished the first half this score being
tied, which is just ridiculous. It's exactly what I thought it
was going to be. These two are so well matched.

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They're both played and one grand finals.
They've both been in the moment before.
I knew for at least the majority, I thought it was going
to be the whole game in in honesty, I thought it was going
to be a game where it's like neither team can get that
finishing blow on them. Of course Brisbane did, but this
first half was exactly what I thought it was going to be.

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So much down to the literal kicks and handballs.
That one went pretty viral in terms of people noticing that
little fact. I think it was what, 100 and.
165 kicks, 165 disposals. The same kicks the same.
Handballs. It was literally dead even and
is that's perfect to me. I love that.
It's like this is a fight. This is what you want to say.

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All those years of massive thumping last year, I was really
hoping that because of how blownout that one was, John will put
up a better fight. And I think they did.
Obviously a lesser margin, but yeah, we'll get into that when
we get to the second half. But general standpoint of the
first half? Fantastic grand final football.
Exactly what you want to say. Exactly what you want.

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To say in terms of real bold prediction, I have a little bit
of push back to that because youwould mention that it was a tale
of two quarters in that one teamwould dominate and the other
team would dominate in the quarters.
I don't think anyone dominated. I think it's just neither team.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. It ended in the result you had
predicted, but the way it got there was different.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, completely. But I think.
Yeah, it is very good that you managed to pretty.
It was exactly even it's it's hard to get much more better of
a prediction than that, really. Yeah, not 100%.
I think it only got to like an 8point margin or a 11 point
margin through the first half either team.
So neither team really stamped upon themselves.

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But that does lead to the secondhalf where we saw Lucky Neil
substituted on. And what happened in the
Premiership quarter? Tell me, race.
Tell me. You like your little your little
self self promotion there. Yeah.
So Mr Premiership quarter, he was really excited to let us

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know that the Brisbane Lions wonit from there it actually
remained fairly even. I'm looking here, the goal that
really broke it out and I wish he got more recognition.
But to be fair, a lot of playerscould get this Norma Smith that
Will Ashcroft got, I think a lotof players could.
But Charlie Cameron kicked the next two goals to open it out

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and then the floodgates opened, locking Eels big goal from 50
from the sub. Like that's when you knew, OK,
Brisbane are really making a move here, Geelong have to
respond, but they didn't manage to score at all after that
Charlie Cameron goal. So they weren't able to stand
the tie. They just begged for the siren
and it ended with a 19 point lead going into the final

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quarter. And from there there's a story
went Brisbane. They had their moments really
early to Kick It Out to two points here.
Zach Bailey and Charlie Cameron both missed.
Cameron as huge tackles in the last quarter really set the tone
as well. Yeah, that too.
It just showed that whilst he didn't have a good game at all,

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he just absolutely whacked Bailey Smith and our producer,
who's a Bulldogs fan I'm sure must have.
Enjoyed that moment a lot. Yeah, Charlie Cameron kicked a
goal to get the quarter started.I missed that.
But yeah, they had their moments.
The Mark Blitzer's goal, that one was exciting because I
thought Jasper Fletcher must be killing himself on the inside
because if they were to lose that game, the momentum could

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probably be shifted from there. But it was a goal that was
given. They didn't get too crazy about
it, but it was nice to know theygot a sniff.
I think they all just felt that they they almost eased
themselves into thinking, all right, the stem that the flow is
going to come back our way, thatthey didn't work for it.
And it comes down to the legs ofLucky Meal.
That's super sub, the final super sub that I think we're

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ever going to say because the sub rule is presumably finishing
up this season. Yeah, the final super sub will
ever see. And Lucky Neil did it in a way
that God, how impactful was thatman?
Yeah, the goal in the third quarter, but the fourth quarter
as well. He's clearance work, second most
clearances on the ground. Yeah, he had five clearances and
five touches in the first part of the first in the last

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quarter. Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
It just showed you how valuable that man is.
And he set up Will Ashcroft, whoended up winning the Norman
Smith Medal as well. He's pulled 27 out of 30
possible votes in the Norman Smith voting in this 2 Grand
Finals. Insane.
I'm ridiculous. I'm shocked it's that much
dominance. I really did not think in my

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head I thought Will Ashcroft probably is like a second or
third. I had ideas of humour, Cluggage
or Charlie Cameron because they do look at stats.
Sure impact works and Ashcroft is at the very top, but like
Harris, Andrew Harris Andrews did really well.
Charlie Cameron's impact was really really hard to falter.

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Humour Cluggage with 26 and fourgoals.
Like just looking at that, despite the fact it was in
garbage time, we both know that he had. 14 He did it.
I'm not. Considering I'm.
Not that the tag got dropped in the fourth quarter, which is why
it went nuts. I'm not considering humour
Cluggage. Which is a really weird.
Call no. They had to free up because
Charlie Cameron was where Mullenwent to and he was the game

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breaker in the. Yeah, yeah, I understand Charlie
Cameron. I mean, for me, that's more of a
reason why Charlie Cameron couldhave got it.
It's like he was one goal off. He and he's that snap that he
had as well. He almost kicked.
I think the one thing I want to say is the the Brisbane
Brisbane's ability to score fromstoppage is just so many levels
above the rest. Like they had four goals from

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centre clearances to one. It was six goals from throw wins
to one throw wins. It was ridiculous dominance.
And you look at the. Well, I believe.
Collingwood as well, that was where they broke it open.
It's the likes of Bailey gettingon the mover, Rayner just being
a force, Mccluggage and Ashcroftalso scoring from there as well
and then it's just ridiculous the amount of plays that they go

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through there. Well, I believe it was mentioned
the stat that game is the most goal from a side, the most the
highest score ever kicked from stoppages in the grand final.
So it just shows you where they were most dominant and that's
where they take the take the game by the horns really is when
they work the best. They go straight through you and
I really, really can't like undersell how important locking

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Neil, that's fresh legs despite the injury.
I bet he must have been so fit and firing to go if after a calf
injury he's all of a sudden said, oh man, I may be able to
go for the grand final here. I mean, sure, the grand final
probably is the inspiration for you to go.
Maybe the calf is not as bad. But the fact he impacted the way
he did, the fact that he managedto bring fresh legs despite A

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presumed injury, that was going to stop him.
If not you, you. If you had not mentioned it at
all, you would have thought thatthey just decided to bring him
tactically in as a as a super sub.
He looked flawless. Yeah, the final thing I want to
say before to get to Macca's Manof the Week Grand Final edition.
Macca's man. We were speaking about stoppages
and Dangerfield against Hawthorne was they stoppage like

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winner? He he did everything that said
Geelong up to win in that game and I thought Brandon Starsovich
wasn't with him in the stoppagesbut he was with him elsewhere
and even after he got cast, which I'm very unfortunate and
prayers with him and he's all good.
It's just Dangerfield couldn't get near it.
And one of your bold predictionswas a star would have under 15
touches. Patrick Dangerfield.

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Yeah. So your bold call was very spot
on in the end. Yeah, I did.
I was specific though with who it was and I picked Levi
Ashcroft. You said you didn't specifically
say Levi. It could be someone like Levi.
Okay, no, that's fair. The bold prediction was someone
doesn't live up to the expectations, like someone
getting under. 15 I just remember mentioning Levis name
and I think I said like under 15disposal yeah, 17, but I'd say

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he was very impactful despite him being really close.
Oh my God, geez Ripper. What a just the Ashcroft family
is probably in an all time family form.
I don't know how you could possibly like, go about
describing how impactful one line of family has been to.

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Acquire good testicles willinglyby.
Not that's a messed up man. I was trying to be nice about
it. I guess you just went straight
to the point. I I would give it to you, but
for being just for real and thennot playing any to me, no, not
playing any funny buggers I guess, but Macca's man of the

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week. Macca's man of the week always
goes a little differently. I like to go to the guys who
aren't getting all the major praise and I've mentioned a few
names already. I've gone one vote Will Ashcroft
because I think if he wasn't on the podium it would be a bit
strange. 22 votes, Charlie. Cameron, he was the game.
Breaker I honestly am thinking about putting him in three

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because you mentioned humour. Cluggage, who is my 3?
I'd I'd switch I'd. Switch Cameron and Mccluggage.
I think Mccluggage four goals and 20 despite it was in garbage
time. It's the fact that in on the
biggest stage, to break out in 1/4 like that is impressive no
matter what. It doesn't matter if it's
garbage time. It's your grand final, the game

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that you that you probably should be piling on point.
It's it's impressive, but it's Idon't think it was I.
Don't think it's important to the.
Game as Charlie as. Charlie Cameron?
Absolutely. When they needed a match winner
in front of the ball because Jack Henry played great on on
Logan Morris, Ty Gallup couldn'treally get into the game at all.
And then macaroni info you can'treally rely on to kick goals.

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He was the one that kicked threegoals within a 10 minute span
and really broke the game open. So I think all credit goes to
Charlie because he's had a bad yacht.
He's had an up and down year. There's been, there's been
mostly bad games, but he's had some goods.
So there was a reason they kept him in there and they stuck with
him. They knew what his best looked
like. I was just hoping they'd get it
and they got it in spades in this one.

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So yeah, one vote for Will Ashcroft.
I know he's probably crying himself to sleep tonight about
that one, but two votes Human cargage, 3 votes Charlie
Cameron. So Brisbane clean sweep donkey
of the week. This was just an outright
because the clip is really funny.
The clip is really funny. It's the cat man.

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Whoever that bloke is, I don't know his full name.
I don't know if I don't even know if he's giving people his
full name for his sake. I.
Don't I really hope. He can he go out in public, I'm
sure the face paint and all thatonly comes on during game days
but he looks like a crazy bloke.I've seen a photo of.
Fun bloke, fun fella. I've seen a photo of him where
he wasn't wearing anything and he has a certain tattoo on his

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body that. That's it.
That's it. Well, I mean, he's notable.
He thinks he's outside the law and he can do whatever the hell
he wants and who's to blame him When you go for Geelong Down in
Geelong you could do whatever you want cuz I.
Don't know, you reckon he's sponsored by Cotton On?
I don't know, but if you didn't see it, Tana Bruin was in the
grand final after the game, so he was on the ground.

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Let's leave it there. Let's go on to the next segment.
Let's go on to the next. Segment hold on.
I think there's a few more like what in terms of the cat man
himself, is there really a few other thing?
No, but The funny thing is he said we're funny.
I think he said like we're a sovereign team and they don't
follow the rule. He thought that because they won
the qualifying, they had to get credit and because they won the
the prelim, it means the credit came into this one.

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So the fact they lost, they needto replay the.
Game. Oh, it's a draw.
We got to replay the game. Oh, no one cares.
There's a whole bunch of cope really.
I I I don't really feel bad for him if I'm being completely.
Either fucked along, let's. Move on.

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Oh, funny. As a funny man, it's go.
Drink your Milky cat. Go drink it.
Wow. Big and tough words here from
the Premiership quarter. Big stuff really going after the
going after the ones who deserveit.
Yeah, moving on. Let's grade the league.
We've got all 18 teams that we're going to go through here
today. In terms of how this season's

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gone, there's going to be some obvious ones.
There's going to be some contentious ones, I'm sure as we
go through the list of differentteams.
But starting off, do you want togo for in alphabetical order?
So top to bottom, I'd like starting West.
Coast bottom of the ladder and then move up.
Bottom of the ladder. OK, no worries.
Yeah, let me just quickly get tothe ladder then.
But yeah, that means we start with West Coast.

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Probably 1 of the obvious ones, big old F, big old F minus.
There was like a few people who were contentiously giving them
like a day because it's like oh they re signed Harley Reid, look
how good this is and at least westill got a future and all that.
But matter of the fact is you were very, very close to a

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winless season if it wasn't for the Saint Kilda game.
Yeah good job mate, well done. But one win, 60 percentage
points, losing their captain in.There's more off field stuff
that's happened. Holly Reid's behaviour as well
was always brought up. I don't think it's anything

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really. I think it's just a passionate
player. But you know, there's the
thought of maybe his personalitywon't fit this team, but they've
got a good draught hand presumably coming up that they
are going to use. Who's the favourite right now to
go number one? Is it Kubitov Tyler still?
There's a bit of talk about it where Khaltrum is very confident

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in Duffma, which is Will and Dersma and Kubitov Tyler.
But it's where the West Coast potentially trade out of pick
two and then also move on and gofor someone else.
Dyson Sharp's been mentioned as a in an under ball winner.
Yeah, because since we've had Dylan Alexander on this podcast,
a lot has changed. A lot has changed.

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Even someone like Sullivan Roby has bolted up all the way into
the top five or top six and he was not seen in the top 30 / a
month ago. Yeah so Clayton Oliver levels
and bolting in their draught in to be honest, he he looks
seriously good. He looks AFL size Yeah, which is
really impressive. Fantastic.
Well. We'll have to wait and see who
he goes to because still got plenty of time and of course

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trade period's very close to beginning as well, so it'll be
nice to see what West Coast does.
There's there's going to be for.2025 it's an F.
It's an F, it has to be. I think you look at some of
their players like none of theiryoung players really had that.
OK, we know exactly what we're going to get from you in five
years. I mean, Brady Hoff had a good
year. I I guess moving into the
midfield at times, but Harley Reid certainly didn't take a

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step. Elijah Hewitt was able to play,
which is good. Ruben Jimpi had to be forced
into a full back position, whichhe's like 192 centimetres going
up against, like Sam Darcy. Yeah, it's not what you want.
At very tough. And so I suppose that there's
obviously a key position player that they need to go for.
But aside from that, like Jake Waterman, another injury, Oscar

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Allen, like KO captain leaving, Liam Baker had a Goodyear, but
Jack Graham really not. I mean he wasn't worth anything
in the 1st place. So like, it's just an F and
they're not getting in anyone other than Brandon Stasovich,
who has got issues about had hisfuture in his career.
And I mean, they're losing a first round pick from three
years ago in Campbell Chess. Like there's nothing to

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celebrate. Yeah, we went a bit into West
Coast there, so we'll try and speed it up a bit for the rest
of them. Richmond B plus, that's a bit
high for me. I'd go CC plus because
realistically that your second last you do have picks 3 and 4
now. I'm basing it off of what were
the pre season expectations for this team and that they were win

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at least one game because a lot of people said they could go
winless. But I also think of the Sam
Lawler injury, the fact that he looks a little injury prone and
he's already had a few. They took like 8 plays in last
year's draught and I think at least seven of them debuted.
Yeah, which is, which is good. Sure, you've done what you've
needed to, but at the same time you still finished second.

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Last, if they had won three games, I would have given them
AC, but I think because they wonthose extra couple games that
really separated them from the bottom spot.
I think is what gives them AB plus because.
All they've really done is put themselves in the 14 to 17
range. That's not that's not something
because you're very close to an act.
I'm basing it off of what the preseason expectations.

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A lot of people struggle to see them winning multiple games.
They won five. That is a huge improvement.
So that's AB plus it's not an A level season because they
weren't good. But I think when you consider
that GWS game that they almost won, there are others as well.
I think Port Adelaide, they almost won.
There were games where they could have won even more.
North Melbourne, I think they almost beat you guys as well.

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So there were games that they could have got 7 or eight wins.
No one had them more than three,so I think definitely it's a
good season from Richmond. I agree it's a good season but I
wouldn't go as far as B's. I'd go C plus because B's makes
me think they made they got out of the bottom 4.
I'm basing it simply off of pre season expectations.
Fair North Melbourne this one pre season.

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If we're going off pre season expectations, the hope was
they'd get out of the bottom 4. I think it was right between
where we had them, like you had them 10th, I think I had them
15th. So that was their expectations
for sure. So like between the top of
bottom 4 and pushing finals, it's just so optimistic.
So I'd go in the days for these guys.
I think there's there's good spots here and there, moments

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that were exciting like Shazel'sgame breaking record, the fact.
That. Paul Curtis has had a fantastic
season despite the suspensions. Luke Parker's a nice was been a
nice pick up. Sherry's been another solid
year. There's there's good Cooper
Trembath, another one that I'm really happy that we've picked
up and put on in the last littlebit, but you still didn't get

(23:33):
the results that you wanted. The only draw with the premieres
of the season as well. That was a funny little tidbit.
N had a weird season, but I definitely think they're ruining
this season because I think thisis a missed opportunity to
really show that you're you're stepping up.
You were a middle of the past offence team according to
Wheeler ratings, which I think they used champion data stuff.

(23:54):
You were 17th defensively and I think that continues to be your
biggest issue. And that's I feel like there's
it's going to keep being the issue because who who Jake Lever
has been one that maybe we're linked to maybe if we could
possibly trade for him. I don't think he's going to
single handedly fix everything up.
No way. So I don't see this team being

(24:15):
anything more than a bottom dweller until they fix that back
line because everything else I think is upward trending.
It's just that back line that holds them back and it goes to
shut because they were they 2365points given up in a season
where the one win team only gaveup eighty more points.
Averaging 100 points against Yeah.
Not good, not good at all. At all.

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Essendon, what a weird season. I want to give them an F but
it's almost out of they're doing.
To give them an excuse which takes them up to probably.
And here's the thing, Here's thething I would have if it wasn't
for the Zach Merritt stuff that makes me want to give it an F.
They're about to lose their captain.
We don't know for sure if they. Are I get that, but the whole

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change up this year, if you lookat this year in a hole, we're
going to look in hindsight go Jesus, what a crazy year that
was. Consider offseason stuff.
There's every chance you give itan FI.
Think I can? Maybe in a safe for a safe pick
we go D minus because all day somewhere around there.
I'll go D minus because I'll go D minus.

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So much of it became an injury problem throughout the season.
Then the rumblings of Zach Merritt's leaving and the whole
thing with the ball, and now they've changed president.
You hope it's a start and you can look at the end of 2025 and
go, that was the first step to an improved side.
But for the year specifically, they're going to look at 2025
and go, jeez, that was an awful year.

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There's nothing really you can take out of this year and
because of all the injuries it completely effects next year as
well. So there's nothing you can take
out of two years. So it's it's certainly not a
good season for me. The positive is for Essendon, I
guess they've got Jordan Ridley.Jordan Ridley has has said that
he's going to stay. So yeah, Melbourne, another one

(25:58):
where you think not just their season in play, but they'll is
it safe to say probably going tolose.
Sacking the coach is another thing.
Probably going to lose Petrarcha.
Losing Petrarcha, there's every chance.
Oliver maybe? Mays leaving as well.
Jack Jake leave as there's rumours of it's.
Just bad. It's bad because it looks like

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they want to start bringing youth in but you've got no like
high end picks. You gave them to Essendon.
Yeah, unless you get like 2 first for for Petrarca, yeah,
you're not going to have many picks unless you get.
You just wish they didn't have to do that.
May or leave it exactly. And so I think it's hard.
I I don't think it's an F seasonbecause it's not a horrible,

(26:40):
horrible season. They still had a couple good
performances there. Here's the thing.
I don't. Think it's good enough to give
it AC? No, it's not a saying, not at
all. But my thinking is I feel like
there's a few teams who've had Fpipe seasons but so far we've
only given it to West Coast and I don't see any other team here
that we can justify giving an F,even Carlton.
Yeah, I mean. Maybe I'm tempted to give F for

(27:03):
Carlton, but we'll get to them in a SEC.
For Melbourne, I'm honestly considering F because of the
loss of coach. They're about to lose all that.
All their players they've forgotten, Self admitted from
Max gone they forgot how to win.How crazy is that from the 2021
premiers? They've forgotten how to win.
You know what? Let's do it.
Let's give them an. FI think an F is more than

(27:24):
justified. Backline is old as shit, they're
about to lose John Mcvade, Christian Patriarch is going to
leave them, Midfield is horribleand their forward line still
don't have an answer up there aside from cosy Picket.
It's given an F Let's do it. Port Adelaide.
That could be an F. Very close with the way this
season finished, I don't kind ofwant to see it as an F, but like
everything kind of points to it.The fact I gave up a draught

(27:46):
pick to Gold Coast for Lokosius,who's been injured.
It was just a nothing, yeah. It really.
Spoke about it for Essendon but Ken Hinckley just spent a year
doing nothing. Well, no, he spent a year being
stressed out of his mind becausehe knew that his his career
career is very, very big stretchbecause I think he's going to
come back into the coaching ranks or mentoring ranks at some
point. But yeah, wasted is the best way

(28:08):
of putting it, because port theyalso would dealt their fair
share of injuries. They were one of the least
skilled teams in the competition, which is crazy to
think with a team with Rosie Butters, horn Francis, all those
guys. How are you the least skilled
team in the competition? They were rated 15th offensively
and 14th offensively. That's basically a bottom 14
exactly. We're not good.

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A few positives were there. Mitch Georgiadi's had had an
outstanding season. He did really, really well the
final game. Travis Boat Banks and Ken
Hinckley being sent out, fantastic.
So they're going to have that great memory at the very least.
For me it's C minus or D +. C minus is the positive outlook.

(28:51):
DD plus is the negative outlook because D plus is 1 where it's
like you were expected. To Day plus.
In your case, you thought they were going to be in finals.
I think you had them top four orsomething like that.
But let's move on. Yeah, Port.
Not a great season. St.
Kilda. It got better and better.

(29:12):
I think this is I think this is high as.
Giving it a day plus I give it asay because now stayed but I'm.
Giving it AC plus offseason all the offseason.
Moves when you if you want to include the offseason.
It's hard to say, Yeah. Look, it's hard to really go out
and say that a team is an offseason winner because that's
a dangerous term. The winners of the offseason is

(29:33):
really dangerous because you don't know if you win the
offseason until the next season starts.
So we'll find out, but Nas is presumed to be a home run hit
because you re signed him after.The home run hit exactly he's
the Babe Ruth. There you go.
There's a little. Hopefully they bring that on.
Maybe you start wearing Babe Ruth caps or something like
that. I don't know.
He is the. Pele of AFL.

(29:57):
Right. Yeah, sure.
He is the Walt Chamberlain. Actually, no, he's going to be
the Bill Russell because he'll give us 11 championships
premierships. Jesus, yeah, you haven't had,
have you? You've probably had 11
premiership losses maybe. We'll actually got the same
amount of norms. He's got the same.

(30:18):
He's got more. He's.
Got the same. He's got the same.
He's got the same. He doesn't have more.
He's got the same. But yeah, 2025, I think I'm,
yeah, I'm tempted to go C plus. I'm really tempted.
I think we could even it out. It's CC minus.
OK, fair enough, Carlton. D.

(30:40):
Yeah, I'm thinking D as well. They had a lot of.
There was so many moments. Actually, I could, I'd almost
consider an F when you can see that they had their president
give a Dick pic live on Twitter.Oh.
Let's go. So no, that's an A.
Oh God. They had they're going to have a

(31:00):
mass exodus potentially this offseason, yeah.
So I think you could consider this an FC.
If we're going to go with the same for Melbourne, yeah, could
definitely go with Colton because try to.
Buy their best More Forward got in Pick three got an ACL injury.
Yeah, it's a very, very bad start year, season for sure.
On top of that, the Richmond game add On top of that, top of
that, the North game add on top of that, Michael Voss's seat

(31:23):
basically being on fire the entire.
Season Spend 5 hours choosing ifhe was the right coach.
F season. F Season.
Sydney was F to start. Say minus.
Maybe minus CC, minus C, I'm around there because they showed
really good signs towards the end of the season.
The problem is they were so Hanford with injuries to begin

(31:45):
with. And also they're playing around
with stuff that they just shouldn't have.
As well, I think 2025 is going to be a little Rd bump.
It's a SIM curve. I think they're going to be
fine. Let's again next season.
It's just more a matter of fact of keeping your best players
healthy. They're very top heavy.
That's the other thing I'll say because we realised very quickly
his team loves Errol, loves Chad, loves Isaac.

(32:08):
Papley. Lose it have not happen Papley.
Not having Logan McDonald who look isn't the biggest thing in
the world, but the fact you wererelying on Tom, was it Tom
McCartney in the forward? They tried to swing him forward,
but I mean exactly on Jack Buller, who's played 510 games
like and. That was enough for him to say I
want to go back to Victoria, which is quite funny.
But yeah, positives. There were positives in that

(32:30):
they beat Brisbane at the Gabba.That was a good game.
OK, well, let's move on then if that's around the positive.
No, they were more than that. But yeah, it's one of their
biggest positives. Western Bulldogs.
Can we give this like an F/A because they were F?
They were. They were an F against the good
teams, and they were an A against the bad team.

(32:52):
Yeah, it's basically exactly right.
I'm more tempted to go down the ladder with these guys because
this should have been a finals, had to have been.
It was very much out of their control at times, but they prove
they couldn't beat top outside outside of GWS who went out
round one of the finals. Week one of the finals.
So how much can you really say they deserved a final spot if

(33:14):
they could only beat A-Team who went out in round one?
I don't think you can. Like they were rated as a top
four team according to a lot of people.
Yeah, and realistically, they should have been there.
They should have been there. The fact that they had Bond out
to start and then as soon as Bond came back, Darcy went out
for a stint, Sure, you could mention that, but they still had
loads and loads of talent. And look, thankfully for the

(33:36):
dogs, it looks like they're trying their hardest to plug the
back line. Not to say Buku Kamas was the
thing that they needed so desperately, but he's now off to
Carlton, presumably. So the dogs, I don't know what
to do. I don't know what to do with
them. I think is C minus.
Go, say minus. Think of C minus.
Yeah, if you're really feeling negative, I think AD plus can be

(33:59):
argued, but C minus because not her season statistically is
fantastic. They didn't make finals though.
How the hell do you do that? Yeah.
Hawthorne, I'm assuming, is next.
Yes. OK, interesting one because I.
Give it an A. Prelim, They made a prelim.
Their expectations were to be better than what they were last
year, which on the ladder they weren't.

(34:20):
But according to wins they were because they had fifteen wins as
an eighth place team, which is ridiculous.
They went all in because they brought in battle, they brought
in Boras. They're continuing to do that
with going from merit. I'd the worst grade you can give
is AB pass for sure the worst grade but I can I'd probably
give them an A. I'm giving them an AI.

(34:41):
Think so there. There was some teething problems
early, even though the win loss record wouldn't suggest that.
But then you saw in the middle of time where they were waiting
on players to get back in form. Will Day continues to not be
able to play, but that's just unfortunate.
So I think give it an A and we can move on.
A lot of these finals teams justsort of know what you're getting
from them. Yeah, Gold Coast A+ Yeah, yeah,

(35:02):
it has to be. Brownlow Medal winner, got the
grand final Sprint winner. What else is there to talk?
About like grand final Sprint winner, let's mentioned after
the Yeah, that's exactly what I think of.
And then you got their finals win.
Yeah, and then their finals means and David swallows nice
little moment to finish off his career.

(35:23):
Yeah, just yeah, yeah. Season history for Gold Coast.
Fantastic stuff, Frio. I'm leaning bays.
I'm leaning bays. 15 win season lost to attend that had never
won a final or never played a final.
The thing is, your expectation of them was probably not week 1

(35:44):
exit, was it? No.
I think this team should have been at least B.
Two, I think AB minus is. Fair B minus to B for me yeah
I'm I'm thinking probably more B6 places not sixteen wins as
well as fantastic lots of positives here and there.
My only concern is the Caleb Sarong seems to fold on the
tags. I'm not sure like a little.

(36:05):
Bit and. You can't hold a player back.
Great players and it was heard. I heard it first with Hugh
Mccluggage and now I think with everyone because it's basically
true. Good players don't get hold
back. Held back two games in a row and
Caleb didn't really, but when hewas held back he'd have less
than 10 disposals. He'd really get done.
I think against Sydney when theylost to them he was tagged and

(36:28):
yeah, 9 disposals I think he had, which is insane for Caleb
Sarong's talent. So Fremantle have things to work
on. Definitely disappointing into
the season, but at least you cansay they're on the right track.
Think of babe minus is about right.
OK, I'm going to go babe. But yeah, same, same same, but
different GWS. Similar vein, isn't it?

(36:48):
Very similar I'd I'd probably give it AB minus as well.
I think a lot of the beats we talk about with with Fremantle
you can add on to JWS. Yeah, I'm leaning B minus in
this one as well. Maybe C plus if you're feeling
really negative on these guys because they finished fifth on
the ladder, got to play a home final and lost it, you know, in
pretty. Yeah.
Was it embarrassing? I don't know if it was

(37:09):
embarrassing. I think the fact that they rely
so much on playing 1 1/2 insane quarters is just unconstainable.
Yeah, you can't continue that. Sorry.
I think there's issues there. So I think yeah, about AB minus
works. Yeah, Collingwood, we hit the
top 4. Now this was like an up, then
down, then up then down type of year for them.

(37:31):
It was 1 where you thought they're shooing for the grand
final and then they massive slump and then toppling Adelaide
at their home ground and you're like, oh for God's sake, they're
about to do it again. And then they lost to Brisbane
so. A minus.
Yeah, A minus to B plus because I think they're premiership

(37:52):
contenders and they were hoping for a premiership this season,
especially halfway through you were thinking shoe in for grand
final favourite for premiership,so I'd actually go B plus.
I think, I think if you considertheir pre season expectations,
what was it? It was to make a prelim.
I think they. Didn't make finals so prelim
they'd be happy with for sure, but with the like, surely they,

(38:17):
they adjusted their expectationsat the halfway point and went
all right, we're, we are all in grand final, premiership or bust
type situated because yeah, theyhad 10 points, they were 10
points clear and you finished fourth on the ladder and didn't
make the grand final. To me, it's A, it's a pass B + a
good grade. And there's a lot of, there's a

(38:38):
lot of, you know, pride that youtake in making a prelim, but it
was right there for them. So an A for me would feel like
if they made the grand final. But yeah, making the prelim is
something to be proud of. It's just not their ultimate
goal. I think that's fair, yeah.
Breathing lines don't have to explain too much.

(38:58):
A + a plus plus. Yeah, repeat.
Geelong. Bloody hell, Geelong A plus.
Yeah, I think so too. A+ They basically played, yeah,
every quarter of the season. Well, except for the final
quarter of the grand final. That's how it feels at least.
There are definitely some games like that one at GMHBA where
they lost to Brisbane. That was a tough one, the wide

(39:21):
out, which is funny, but then they go and beat them in the
qualifying final. Yeah.
And then? And then losing the grand final
so. No, No team has the expectation
of winning a grand final. Yeah, I think making it maybe,
but I'd say prelim should for the top, top teams, the prelim
should be the expectation they surpass that a plus.
A plus for me, yeah, I'll give it to him despite the loss.

(39:41):
And then Adelaide, God, this is a hard one, this.
Is the most interesting one. Probably most contentious you're
gonna get a whole bunch of different things because.
Regular season A plus. Yeah, exactly.
Top of the top final series. JD to F like Mark game, the
Riley Philthorpe hand pass from 15 metres out is all you need to

(40:02):
show is I want to go. The Riley O'Brien is not ready
for finals. The Riley O'Brien gig, Yeah.
Like I'm still going in the A's because this is a team who was
they finished bottom four last year, did they not?
I did first home, prelims, home,sorry not home, prelim, home
qualifying, home semi 2 finals. Sure, I'm probably more on the A

(40:27):
minus side of things, but A's I'm in there 100%.
Based off of presets and expectations, A plus.
I think if you consider it halfway through the year, you'd
say it's probably an A when you consider, OK, they're a really
good team, but we don't know if they're top 4 yet.
And then you consider at the endof the season before final

(40:47):
series, you'd probably consider it a day.
So I think you'd probably give it an A overall grade fair
because I think when you consider the.
Final, I think I just wish they made the prelim.
Home finals I think is the issue.
They lost two home finals. Yeah, yeah, they didn't play
into my A minus pick, but it definitely helps my A minus pick
that they lost two home finals in a row.

(41:08):
So look, be happy with where you're at and take the finals
experience. But like, that was an
opportunity for techs. That was a big opportunity for
techs. And the fact that he's lost the
year in his last few, there's been rumblings from common trees
and all sorts saying that he doesn't know.
He may not, yeah, he may not play again.
He may not fit in the team anymore.

(41:30):
There may be like younger talentwho are trying to rise up that
end up just taking a spot. We don't know how sharp a fall
off he could have. The hope is that he just keeps
playing some great football because a lot of people did not
think he'd make it this far. So well done to Adelaide on the
great season. And that is the entire league
ranked. And now getting into the second

(41:51):
greatest segment of this podcastbehind Bemi's day in Bemi's day
and day, Bemi's deal or no deal.You sound like a big nerd and
you say welcome to Bemi's day and.
Day. No, no, no, no.
Baby's Day is done. We are going into today's
campaign Dragon Stranger Things.So as per usual the last few

(42:11):
weeks, we're checking the most recent teams on the out and on
the positive out in this, in this sense, the two grand
finalists, Geelong and Brisbane.Can you hear him?
Start with Geelong first, obviously the big, the big man,
big man from a big team. We're going to start with two
key position players. Rowan Marshall as a rockman

(42:32):
because Ray Stanley should not be there.
Ironic given their two Saints players.
A bit of irony there. I think given what we saw from
the stoppage dominance, I think it's pretty much needed that
they need someone to help in that, and that is Rowan Marshall
and then also Charlie Kerner. They've got to be chips in, I
think with this, because when you consider everything, I think

(42:55):
Shannon Neil hasn't proven to beable to step up in a final yet.
And Charlie, sorry, Jeremy Cameron obviously had the arm,
but his final series wasn't his best this year for sure.
Yeah. So I think those are two pretty
obvious ones. I think look, Jeremy Cameron
will always kind of be a number one.
I think if Kerner comes in and somehow finds his form again, if

(43:17):
they were to land him it'd be A1A1B type thing.
It would. I think it it's more so the play
style because Jezza's not a contested I'll beat you in the
air player. Yeah, that's not his.
Job. He can also move positions.
He's been on the wing a few times.
He can. So I think when you bring in
someone who can do that because Shannon, Neil, he want you
wanted to get in there, but he'sjust not there yet.
And I think Charlie Konoi adds that ability to crash backs and

(43:40):
I think that complements them well.
And then the last player I thinkis a midfielder.
They've got interest in James Wappel, which is obviously going
to be held over. There's every chance he gets
there. I think, sorry, I've just heard
that it's expected that after the Hawthorne BNF he is going to
let the Hawks know that he wantsto go to Geelong as a as a free

(44:00):
agent. So I feel like that one's just
about done and dusted unless something miraculous happens.
Yeah, and I think it's pretty much just that prototype, that
sort of clearance midfielder. Geelong is very obvious when it
comes to free agents. It's almost always the top of
the class. The exception this time is Zach
Merritt. But like, they've got basically
their hands in the cookie jars of every single team.

(44:23):
If any player is restless, Geelong is a place that they may
want to go to because close to abeach, their own little perks of
having their own home ground. The culture there, the winning
cult, the continuous winning culture, There's a lot that
brings people damage along. So again, if we to kind of link
it back to the previous segment,they have an A season, they had

(44:45):
an A plus season and they continue, they're going to
continue to have one even if they didn't walk home with
silverware. Yeah, Brisbane 3 players again.
It's a tough one because they'repretty much getting Alan and
Draper, so I sort of didn't wantto include them.
I've gone with a couple defensive medium sized players
because I think Jack Payne should be back next year.

(45:06):
I don't know when exactly. That's sort of based off of his
recovery. Yeah, but I think Lester and
Garden are both. They're getting older.
They're both over the bad age of30, so it's sort of towards the
end of their career, I think. And if they still want to
continue to win, you could go for something like Mitch
McGovern. He's just a free agent.
He'll be You'll be able to pick him up for cheap.

(45:26):
That's a contentious one. For those who, for those who are
unaware, his pick of Mitch McGovern for Hawthorne last week
got a lot of, I wouldn't say a lot of to be fair, but people
mentioned it because they thought, you know, why would you
do that when you've got all these other players who could
plug the plug the hole? And I think Mitch Mcgovern's
role kind of always gets like misconstrued is like, oh, he's

(45:49):
not better than these guys. It's like, yeah, but he plugs
holes. He can plug holes for a great
team. So why would you take someone
who, yeah, he could play a swingman role that Mitch McGovern
could potentially play? Why would you want to put your
preferred position player in that role?
Why, when you could just bring Mitch McGovern in to play in
that role while keeping your better players in those

(46:10):
positions? So for the likes of Germany,
people are like, Oh yeah, you can swing them down forward and
he kicks a couple of goals. But yeah, Germany is a better
backman. He's better in the back.
So why not bring Mitch McGovern in to help plug that hole while
still keeping your best players where they want to be just to
help you out a little bit? Thanks.
Mate. Well, we're talking about
Brisbane or Hawthorne. Sorry, I just remembered it.
I had to bring it up because you, for some reason, love Mitch

(46:31):
McGovern. So I'm here fighting battles for
you. Maybe you do it yourself next
time. How's that sound?
Nick Boston, the other player that I wanted to mention in that
position, still has a fair bit to give and I think them and the
Bulldogs would be the two that atry prize him out.
That sort of gives that aerial support given Tom Dode has not
been able to be fit at all. And then the last play out.
Is someone that they are rumoured to get.

(46:52):
Not the favourite but kind of butterick.
Just provide some depth either of half back if they need it.
They have plenty of shut up. I knew or even it's very easy
for Brisbane to convince playersto come to Brisbane if we're
being we know why they're massive winners now, man, could
you imagine if they somehow bring any of that talent in on

(47:14):
top? Shut up, shut up.
Don't want to hear it. I'm sick of your shit.
I tried defending you before andyou messed me up.
You, you really, really let me down before I thought you were
going to thank me and all that. Did you just, That's so cringe.

(47:36):
He just clicks and then clicks the button on his computer like
it was magic. Shut up.
Nice try mate. All right.
What's the next segment? As you can see, because I did it
on my computer, The Newsroom. Yes, you got The Newsroom here.

(47:58):
We're going to have a little discussion in regards to and low
metal. Yes, I did see this boy, but it
still gives me laughs. I love this in the Toby.
I hate it. I love and hate it.
I hate. Stephen.
Tries mentioned, yeah, Stephen, tries mentioned.

(48:20):
But there's a lot of things thatI wanted to talk about in the
Brownlow metal discussion purelybecause we didn't get to it last
week and it was the day before it was uploaded.
The day before or a couple of days before the Brownlow
happened, yeah. It happened.
We uploaded it the day after, but we recorded it before so we
had no idea. Yeah, that's it.
That's right. I knew there was like a little
kind of turnover, but Brownlow metal, of course, the winner of

(48:44):
the 2025 Brownlow Medal ended upbeing Matt Rao.
Lots of interesting little, lotsof interesting little tidbits
that came out of that, especially because he went out
to an outrageous start. I think his first four rounds
pulled a perfect 12. So unbelievable, especially the

(49:06):
fact that in that first half of the count, he pulled three votes
in four games. He was expected to get none.
So very controversial in that sense.
It's it's so hard to do it once,let alone four times.
So you just, you wonder what theumpires are thinking in a game
where Matt Raoul pulls 3 with 17disposals.

(49:27):
You, you wonder how the hell didhe do that?
But another thing that came up, Nick Dacos is now passed 100
votes. He's the first player to do so
or the fastest player to do so. He's going.
To say the first. Player yeah, No, no, no.
There's plenty of others. Paddy Dangerfield is now at 259,
He's 2 away from I believe the all time record or no, not 2

(49:50):
away, but Gary Ablett's the all time Brownlow record holder he's
very close to. That I know he.
Just he's in the 2 three votes. He's in the two 60s.
He just took over the most threevote.
Games I saw that so Nick Dacos with no brand low 100 plus in
three years is insane. He's seeing a biggest 109.
The biggest talking point is obviously the Naz and Jack Viney

(50:12):
moment. The Jack Viney game.
The Jack. Viney game.
Oh my God I forgot. Oh my God they literally dude.
How funny is it that they playedthe replay of the final quarter
the game before right before theNorth science game next week and
he got 2 it's. The the ruckus in the crowd

(50:37):
wasn't even. From him getting 2.
Votes. It was from Jack Viney getting
the three vote. He was the one who was
responsible for it. He was on the wing and he didn't
track back to go for Naz. What is he?
Doing it's a pity 3 votes it feels like God.
But yeah, loads of different talking points out of it.
I think third was Bailey Smith at 29.

(50:59):
So the podium was Matt rail, Nick Dicos, Bailey Smith.
So somewhat predictable except for the Matt rail.
And I'm so surprised it was Mattwho took it because Noah
Anderson was actually the Gold Coast sun expected to pull the
highest for the sun. So, so many interesting tidbits,
but it brings me to my main point with this discussion.

(51:20):
I think there needs to be absolutely no change made to the
Brandler rules. I think the way the brand low is
done is what makes it so exciting.
Sure, if you don't think it's fair, that's another thing,
right? If you think that the umpires
are given too much of A disadvantage, if you think that
certain players play play styleslike it's almost always going to

(51:40):
go to a midfielder, if not is always 100% of the time.
So you can have your disagreements with that, but I
think the brand low rules that we've got now is what makes it
uniquely exciting to count the whole thing about it, right?
If we were to change the rules, it'd basically be an AFL Coaches

(52:01):
Association 2 point O or an AFL Players Association 2 point O.
And it's like, oh cool, they've picked the same as these guys
did. Crazy stuff.
And when I bring that up, I mainly point out bringing in
statistics. Funny enough, the Umps have
actually asked in previous seasons.
So the last year there was contention because the umpires
asked for it after the game, andthis year Andrew Dillon came out

(52:23):
and said the umpires have never asked for stats after the game.
Yeah. So is there any type of
movement? Do we know if there's anyone
lying in particularly or if it'sjust miscommunication?
No idea. Yeah.
So I don't believe they should be looking at statistics because
it creates a unique situation, creates a award that is voted

(52:49):
upon, a impartial vote. It's not someone in a media box
who isn't seeing the little things happening, looking at
afl.com going, oh, cool, 34 disposals for Nick Dacos, even
though 30 of them are uncontested.
That's probably a massive stretches to the actual
legitimacy. But yeah, if, if I'm if I'm

(53:11):
being very unfair, that's his stat lines most of the time.
But they're not, they're realistically not.
But my point is, if you look at the stats, you just look, you
just press AFL fantasy points, whoever's on the top 321, unless
there's somebody who's kicked somany goals who just so happened,
has happened to have not gone upin there.
Like someone kicked seven goals but didn't own 7 kicks, right?
You'd be like, oh, they kicked seven goals, I'll give them my

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vote. It just becomes a little, it
just becomes a counting game. And I think that would be very
boring. Realistically.
Is is the is the basic word I can use for it.
The Brownlow is unique in that it's a massive spectacle.
There's always a bit of speculation to it and I think
moments like the Nas 2 votes is just something that comes out of

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it that provides entertainment. It's unfair to the bloke,
absolutely, but at the same time, who's to say he didn't
kind of win out of it? He got the he got the Lexus of
Blackburn car. He's earned.
He put multiple hundreds of thousands on his contract,
probably off that game. Like he's winning off the field
despite the fact he only got 2 votes for it.

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I think we can live with a few inconsistencies in the Brownlow.
There's inconsistencies, but there's also just factually
wrong things. And I think when you.
They're not factually wrong though.
But how do you know what's factually wrong?
Because they're the umpires. Because if everyone else says
it, and you're the one who says no.
Yeah, I understand that they're the outlier, but that's because

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they're the umpires. They're not going to see
everything that we see. Well, that's my issue.
If they're not seeing it becausethey have to umpire the game,
then you need to provide them anexternal tool that helps them to
save the game in totality. If they're so focused on
umpiring the game and making sure everything is correct,
they're looking at whether there's a free kick off the ball
or they're making sure no one's being held at a stoppage or

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they're making sure that the high tackle didn't slip high and
it was just a dark instead, how are they going to be able to, in
their best ability, review the game whilst they're doing all
that? It is completely unfair and
they're not full time employees.They are part time doing this,
it's not a full time role. So I think it is completely
unfair and unacceptable to expect them to do it.

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Provide them the stats and it allows them to see it in a bit
of a clearer scenario where, OK,Naz maybe just had that one go
moment, I don't know, he actually had 30-4 and four
goals. Or Matt Rowell was really good
in everything he did, but maybe he didn't do as much as someone
else like Noah Anderson who had 42 in a goal whereas Matt Rowell

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had 25 and 818 tackles. I think it provides them a
glitter clarity on what they're seeing with their eyes and
provides them an external tool. Primary sources are great, but
if you don't have secondary secondary sources to back it up,
you're not a great analytical essay writer.
It is completely useless. Analytical essay writer.

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Yeah, you're just, they're just counting Brown live votes,
right? It's called making a comparison.
I get it through that thick video.
I get that, but the point is right there.
Their ability to make or to decide who the best player is in
any given game. They don't write reasonings
behind every single every singlevote they give.

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I'll give you this comparison. Have you seen the movie
Moneyball? Yes.
So you know that they went from completely eye test and just
saying we're recruiting based onwhat we've seen to now a
statistical analysis using statsto help improve your decision
making. What do the umpires need?
That revolution that's going to help improve them with their
decision making. It's all it is.

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It's not difficult. I'm giving them a stat sheet
after the game. I get that someone had also
pointed out that it does open upthe opportunity for corruption,
right? Because.
People have already argued that.Yeah, but at least at the very
at the very minimum, what is your reasoning for arguing
corruption with Jack Viney getting 3?
What's your reason? Reasoning for.

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That why would Jack Vonnie get 3when he was the one who lost in
the game? No, in more the sense like
stopping that everyone knew Nas wasn't going to get it.
Yeah, so the one person who doesbet 10,000 bucks on Jack Vonnie
to. Get yeah, yeah, yeah.
But The thing is if that bet is there, if there's obvious links
to it, of course, then there's going to be like looks into
that. But I'm more saying the fact
that if umpires can then get theextra time to think over it,

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look at the stats as well, see whether like a certain place can
can can get more votes than others based off of statistics,
right? If they go off of I test off of
what's happened in the game and in the moment, it keeps their
decisions fresh. It keeps it gives them more of a
grounded idea rather than just looking at statistical reasons.

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I think them having more time tomake a decision and get a better
decision only helps. I don't think them having 10
more minutes to be able to look at the stats impacts their
decision enough to the point where they're going to get done
for corruption when they alreadyhave.
They weren't. I understand.
I think maybe the corruption argument is bit over like in

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that sense we're kind of lookinginto it a bit much because
corruption I think would be veryobvious with.
The. I think it would be very obvious
if there was corrupt, especiallybecause the AFL would be looking
into beds that are happening live and they'd be like, oh
we've been tipped, Someone's clearly been tipped off that
this person's got 3 votes and they're going to rise or
something like that. It'll be obvious when it shows

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up, but at least I hope so. Nonetheless, more the point, I
think it's just more entertaining.
I think it's more entertaining when we don't know for certain
if we had to look at the stats because everyone would maybe
move maximum three votes up or down.
But the point I'm not making, the point where they should only

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look on the stats, they could very well go, these are our
three votes. Let's take a look at the stats
to make sure we haven't picked someone who we thought had a
really good game who actually didn't.
Jason and Francis last year had a game where he I think had that
one two votes for having 13 touches and seven turnovers.
Yeah, it was a bad one. If they had a look at the stats,
they very easily wouldn't have put that as their their one or

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two votes or whatever it. Was yeah, I think arguments like
that are fair, completely fair. Like there's some that are just
completely wild. You're like, how the hell did
you did you see that happening? But I think that's what makes it
unique. I think that's legitimately, I
believe that that is what makes the umpires vote very, very
exciting, right? Because again, if we give them
statistics then I can almost guarantee you the people who win

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AFL coaches votes and win AFL players votes are going to be
the same win Brownlow votes. But.
It's not the same people anyway.Yeah, I.
Understand it's not the same people, but they're all going to
come to the same conclusion. And right, some people are OK
with that because then it shows who the actual best player is.
But at the same time, from a fresh perspective, right,
knowing who their best player was, I think that's really

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interesting. I don't think stats make that
much of a difference. I just.
Think, well, we wouldn't. We wouldn't really know until
they made that decision. But I really do believe that the
way it is right now, they shouldn't change it.
I don't think so. We went for a long time with
that one. We did very passionate about our
brand, live votes here in 0 Access 40.

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But now we're going to look at afew of our little predictions,
and I'm really not excited for this one neither.
All of all of mine, no. No, not all of them.
Not all of them. I reckon all of mine.
I remember one of them. No, you'll see it.
You'll see it. At least the one that I'm
thinking of if it shows up. I know one person on this and
that's because you stole it fromme and I know you don't

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remember. It yeah, I probably don't and.
The player you're thinking I included is who you stole.
Did I? Yes.
No. So let's get straight into it
the. Player I think it is.
So these are my overrated players.
Yep, Isaac Haney kind of actually accurate.
He definitely didn't get to the levels of last year, but he he's
not overrated. He just.

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To say he's third overrated in the league is a big.
Stretch probably wrong. Very big stretch because Isaac
Haney had some fantastic game. Really, really battered for them
in the times that they needed him desperately.
But there was also times in the first half of the year where he
wasn't able to do that. And that's it's duality.
Yeah, I guess it's the idea of do you think he is brand low
material compared to how he played this year?

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Then maybe you could say he's too overrated.
Jesse Hogan. This is only because of the
Wayne Carey comments. I love how that came up last
week too. Jesse Hogan somehow gets the
Wayne Carrie comparisons. He more than David King gives
him to him. But hey, that's completely fair
off that off that basis. That was the only reason he.

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Didn't get his Brownlow. He didn't get that's for another
Brownlow, Coleman this year. So you could argue, but he's
very, he's very important. That's the problem.
And it's so hard to to know. Aaron, Aaron known.
I've got 1. Because he's honestly still up
there. I'm legit.
He is still up there because. He had a really good. 60 goals,

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but he was the second option. Though he was the second option
behind, he was only good when Sam Darcy was playing.
Exactly. Do you think he is still kicking
sixty goals in a season if he does not have Sam Darcy?
I don't think so. That's why you could say he's
overrated. Most overrated is contentious,
but I think it's not a bad pick.I really don't what's what's
happened, what happened? He's nothing.

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What do you mean nothing? I've got to say something about
a different mate. Never mind.
All right. Whatever, whatever.
Either way, I don't think they're bad picks.
I think you're 2 for three. I one and a half, 1 1/2.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm half a person, right?
Most overrated. Elder use absolutely spot on.
He's. He's up there.

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As soon as he signed that contract he was absolutely dog
shit. He definitely is up.
I'm not mad at my picks. No, your picks are pretty good.
I'd say 2 1/2. Nick Martin.
It's hard to tell. On the Essence side, Connor Rose
again, got moved down to half back.
So as a midfielder, probably overrated.
Yeah. So yeah, I think you you.
Did I forgot I said this? Yeah, yeah.
And then LDU, the the signing. I'm off to a good start.

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I'm happy with this so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like this. All right, what have we got
next? Most underrated?
Brady Hoff. Brady, I still love the kid he
played. Midfield.
Minutes he's basically turned into a tagger for part of the
season but again, again, West Coast game third.
I'm really happy about Alir Ali will continue to stay the most
untalked key defender in the AFLforever and what he does without

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a single other player at outsidebrands.
Thatcher and suffer radical here.
Yeah. Could you imagine trying to play
with those two? But your Brandon Stasovich is
wrong, because he's very much right.
He is now, but back then he wasn't.
Yeah, exactly. No, no, I get what you're
saying. That's correct.
These are bold predictions. He's a bold.
Predictions. He also missed like 2/3 of the
year with concussion. Yeah.

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Poor bugger. Yeah, he might retire.
Either way, I think you're I'm honestly going one, but because
half and half Brandon Stasovich I'm confident is wrong because
of now right if we're going off.Now going at the start of the
year, he was underrated and now he's not meaning he was.
Underrated bold predictions. Your point is that your

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prediction is he's going to be underrated for 2025?
Yeah, and he was. I wouldn't say he was, I'd say
that he's fairly rated he was, especially considering how
important he was in the grand final.
Either way, what were mine? You absolutely stole this from
me. You stole this, you bastard.

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I like my Callum Wilkie pick too.
Yeah, I think somehow missed theold Australian squad.
Fuck you dropped battle. I got a lot.
Yeah, no, he missed the old Australian squad that should be
that should be 1. He's the winner and I got AI got
a bit of Flack from this becauseI didn't know much about Wilkie
at that time. You still don't, Not as much,
not as much as you. But like I know more about

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Wilkie and how important he is to the Saint Kilda's side.
He's really important. Josh Worrell, great pick,
fantastic stuff and took Miller.He's underrated but he's not
number one. I think number one could be
right there because Worrell considering all Australian
squad, it's not like he's being underrated now I guess.

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Not now. It's based off of at the start
of the year, do you think? No, I'm seeing your point now
from my. Yeah, I'm getting it now.
I understand. I needed two different
perspectives. I needed two different
perspectives. All right, don't.
I don't want to hear it either way.
I'm not mad at the picks. Pretty happy with them.
My picks are pretty on point now, but I know they're not

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going to be forever, no. And also we will be doing this
again and we will have a whole offseason to be able to go
through every team finally and do a lot more because last year
we started two weeks before the season started.
Exactly. So you know, this year we
started two weeks before the season started.
We'll have more time. Let's go to the next one.
What's the next one? That's it really.
That's it. I thought we had some.

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No, we definitely had no. I couldn't find the slides for
him. I know we had the most improved
player. We.
Had most improved, I had Tom Powell.
You picked Joshua, which is absolutely spot on.
I think that is one. Really.
Yeah, that is one. No crazy Smokey pick half the
people. If you had said Mark Kane, that
would beat it. No, I disagree.

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OK, fair enough, I think. Warrell.
Was. But it could be.
It could be one or two. You could decide either either.
My argument is who outside of Adelaide fans genuinely know who
Josh Warrell was? Yeah, I didn't for.
Sure, and I picked him for an A a spot.
Yeah, good pick mate. Hold on.
The real question is who am I going for next year?
Can you say someone N related ifyou're going to go off that type

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of record? I can say someone N related
actually. So say someone like Cooper
Trembath or. Jai Simpkin when he's playing
for Collingwood. You're the worst.
I hate everything about you, butthe Coleman one was the most
contentious. I think I had Hogan Coleman and
I had yeah, sorry. My yeah, my Brownlow was I had

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Anderson in there so wrong was one Don't take us was in there
too, possibly. And then my Coleman was probably
the biggest thing guy was Hogan 1, Lucky 2, Hipwood 3.
He played the entire year with the torn ACL and you had a third
in your Coleman, I think. Bad year to pick an outsider as

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well for Coleman because my God the goals kicked this season.
We were insane. My Coleman was Charlie Kerno 1.
That's pretty bad too. I had Ben King 2 I think.
OK, that's fine. And then I had Nick Lucky 3.
We both had Lucky, Yeah. Wow.
So Nick, like he had a really bad he.
Could be up there for under overrated.

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Yeah, based off of what he's done, yeah.
And then our Brownlow Medal I had Dacos 1 so wrong 2 and
Anderson 3. You might why I may have had it.
So I don't think we had the exact same players, but
definitely had so long one because of trends.
Either way, Coleman was pretty, pretty tough.
Yeah, but that's our over slash underrated players for 2025

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