An Intriguing Look at How to Achieve a State of Reciprocal Love!

Humanity, in all its luminous imperfection, has always been both wound and wonder—a paradox that defines our evolution. To be human is to falter, to forget, to fracture; yet it is through these very fractures that light enters the psyche, as Leonard Cohen once observed. In today’s digital agora—TikTok feeds and curated realities—our flaws have become spectacles, pathologized into pathology rather than understood as pedagogy.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's amazing to me how much time people spend worrying about,
lamenting about their relationship with somebody else. They spend absolutely
no time developing a relationship with themselves. So very often

(00:21):
people want to be with somebody because they don't want
to be by themselves. Well, here's a question. If you
don't want to be with you, why does anybody else
want to be with you? What do you look like
from the inside out? Do you have a clear mind?
Do you have a sweet spirit? Do you have an
open heart? Have you abandoned you? Have you abandoned your dreams?

(00:46):
Have you abandoned your gifts? When was the last time
you had an intimate conversation with you?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
When was the last time.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You took you out for a good evening. When was
the last time you enjoyed being home in your pjs
with you doing something fun.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
We live in the world where we expect something or
someone outside of ourselves to make us happy. Remember, the
only relationship that you can ever have is a reflection
of the one you're having with yourself. So if you
want somebody really good and wonderful in your life, start.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
With you, my mind, feel that relationship. Oh, let's see
what happens. Come on, Andy, I need a praise break
to start the show. Oh my, my, my mind. You

(01:51):
know I love me some of me? Jon Levanza, Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
We have had a powerful week of shows. This show
has been, in large part an experiment. No one knew

(02:18):
what it was gonna be. Nobody knew but the Voice
of Reason Zoe Williams did. I knew that people needed
more than toxic entertainment. Yes, toxic entertainment gets numbers. But

(02:43):
I knew people needed inspiration from somebody as broken as
they are. Not somebody condescending trying to speak down to them. No,
somebody that would encourage them to speak up. Do you see?

(03:11):
So the Voice of Reason came to KBLA two purposely
disrupt your norm. I love the callers Man J W Lee,
Roy Attala Truemonger, Pretty Brown, Mimi, rev l Ratchet, Reggie

(03:40):
Reggie Cali's Soul, of Course, Niki from the Sip, My
good brother from you Know, Sean Oakland, of Course, Mountain View, Hawaii,
passa John. So many people call in because I think

(04:02):
that bell has been wrung. My nephew from Atlanta, nazarene
X calling in because this show has struck a nerve
or hit a chord, or struck a chord or hit
a nerve however you want to put it. But Zoe

(04:25):
is here to destabilize the toxicity you named home, that
you named familiar. Zoe is here to do that, right

(04:47):
d from Detroit, Oh, we get callers from everywhere. Man
rashad Uh, you know Texas is big. Everybody's calling. We
get calls from everywhere. Did I say Sean from the
Bay Area? Come on, I gotta say it. Tonight's topic

(05:10):
wants to do something in that vein, But a little
bit different. You hear us talk about insecure attachment styles.
You hear us talk about all levels of dysfunction, all
manner of dysfunction in relationships. But I'm gonna uncover a
more subtle dysfunction. And that is the story we tell

(05:36):
ourselves about what healthy love is. Somebody got it twisted.
What is healthy love? Some people call it conscious, relating
and intriguing. Look at how to achieve a state of conscious, healthy,

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mutually beneficial, and risk epical love. Listen? Is that perfect love?
Is that a perfect relation? I want to know the
beauty of the flawed conscious relating in an age of performance. Humanity,

(06:21):
in all of its luminous imperfection, has always been both
wound healer and wander right wonder like wonder woman. A
paradox that defines our evolution to be human is to falter,
to forget, to fracture. Yet it is through these very

(06:44):
fractures that light enters the psyche. As Leonard Cohen once observed,
in today's digital agora TikTok feeds and curates reality, our
flaws have become spectacles, pathologized into pathology, rather than understood

(07:09):
as the highest pedagogy a tool for learning. We scroll
not for connection but for validation. We diagnose our attachment styles,
yet rarely learn how to transmute them into self actualization.

(07:29):
In this hyper visual culture of self compromising comparisons, insecurities
become the king of content, and authenticity becomes that ruler's currency.
But beneath the algorithmic noise, the flawed heart still longs

(07:54):
for what is eternal communion, not just consumption from a
psychological and anthropo anthropological lens. Our flaws have always been
the birthplace of meaning. Bibbet rothchild, you know I mentioned

(08:14):
her a lot. I like her better than the guy
who took a lot of her work, allegedly the clock guy. Allegedly,
I like Bubet Rothchild's work. Bibet Rothchild reminds us that
the body learns through rupture and repair. Every misstep in

(08:40):
connection offers new neural architecture for empathy. The same nervous
system that trembles in fear can, through awareness, learn the
rhythm of trust, or even relearn it. In this way,
im profect becomes evolutions. Classroom. Conscious love, then, is not

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the elimination of our brokenness. It is, in fact the
integration of it. You want to be healthy, get whole.
Many of us have misinterpreted healthy as easy, no struggle, right, Hey, listen,

(09:31):
I didn't have enough lessons, man, I just want something
to just you know, it's gotta go my way. It's time.
Many people misinterpret health right as that right. Conscious love, then,
is not the elimination of your brokenness. Your brokenness is
part of your magic. It's part of your meaning, it's

(09:54):
part of your maturation, it's part of your movement. Do
you see? You have to integrate your brokenness in order
to be whole. And when I say integrate it, I
don't mean assimilated to where it disappears. No, it's part

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of you. It's part of the definition that makes you you, Daisy.
This is Krishna Murty's choiceless awareness meeting Paramahanza Yogananda's divine remembrance.
It is the courage to see our humanity not as
an error, but as evidence of God learning to love

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through limitation. The mythology of healthy love has been idealized
into sterility, as if secure meant unshaken or healed meant
untouched by shadow.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Wrong.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
The securely attached have their issues too.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
They're not perfect.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's not flawless. Do you see yet even secure attachment
trembles under the weight of real intimacy, because to love
consciously is to risk transformation. True health is not the

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absence of struggle. I'm tired of struggle. Love you, hear
people say it all the time. It is the presence
of awareness within struggle. Consciousness accepts that no amount of
mindfulness will erase our triggers. It will only teach us
how to meet them with grace. The couple who grows

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together does not avoid the imperfection they embody. They compost
it into wisdom. Thus, in the modern theater of digital perfection.
Right to embrace one's flawed humanity is the most radical

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act of beauty and unconditional love. Our cracks are not defects,
but part of our design, passage, ways through which creativity, compassion,
and consciousness enter the human story. Healthy love, therefore, is

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not flawless. It is forgiving, because forgiveness is necessary in
order for it to remain healthy. Come on, it does
not seek to transcend it's humanity, but to illuminate it
in the mirror of conscious relationships. The flawed becomes holy.

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I didn't say the dangerous. I didn't say the abusive.
I didn't say the disrespectful. I didn't say the maliciously manipulative,
the Macavelian manipulator. I didn't say those things. I'm not
talking about psychopathy. I'm not talking about do you understand
sociopath psychle.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm not narcisst.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I'm not talking about I'm talking about the regular, everyday
human being that got something on their spirit that they
can't talk about, even to the person they're laying in
the bed with. Do you understand the flawed becomes holy

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and the human finally becomes enough. So many of us
live in relationships where our humanity is too much. It's
above and beyond it. I can't have it. It's just
too much. Why don't you hold your humanity back like
I do? I hold my humanity back from you. Listen, listen.

(13:59):
When we when we come forward, we going to open
up the phone lines. I want to talk to folks
about your concept, your ideation of what it means to
be in a healthy relationship. When we come forward, we
want to talk to the world. Let's get it.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Without any further explanation of all of that, I will
get into ten things that securely attached people tend to
take into account when they're looking to find a long
term partner. Number one, Securely attached people naturally seek out
people who want to have the same level of intimacy
as they do in a close relationship. So again, there

(14:36):
are still personality differences between different people who have secure
attachment styles. Some air on the more sentimental emotional side
of things, and some air on the more logical side
of things. However, one of the key criteria secure people
tend to keep in mind and look out for is
someone who wants to have the same type of emotional
connection as they do. So this might mean someone who

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wants a lot of coregulating, a lot of talking about feelings,
a lot of processing things, or it might look like
someone who wants less of that. So it's not about
finding someone who is either super emotional or super not emotional.
It's about finding someone who wants to exist within the
same sort of range as you do. And again, if
you're securely attached, you generally have a pretty clear idea

(15:19):
of what that range is. So if you meet someone
and you like them a lot, but they want either
way more closeness or way less closeness than you do,
if you're securely attached, that's probably going to be a
deal breaker if you're looking for a long term partner.
But that also doesn't mean that you write that person
off as a human being. It might just mean there's
someone who you have more of an acquaintanceship or a

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friendship relationship with rather than a committed long term partnership.
Thing number two that securely attached people tend to seek
out in close long term relationships is someone who, to
a reasonable extent, has their life together. And I want
to be clear, this doesn't mean that the person has
to be super successful. It also does not mean that
the person is invulnerable. However, what you often don't see

(16:01):
coming online with secure attachment is a savior complex and
that's really what I want to highlight here. So those
who aer insecure can be very prone to codependent dynamics.
I need you and you need me in some sort
of way. That means we can't fulfill our individual needs
on our own air go we will pair up and
let's say, I will meet all of your emotional needs

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and you will meet all of my needs for strength
and stoicism or whatever it is, and together we will
be a unit that functions well whereas we don't.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I love her. That's Heidie Preeb. I love her work.
Man oh Man. The KBLA YouTube is over here popping off.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I love it. I love it. I love it. S says.
Integration heals all brokenness. They also say the goal is
to heal, not to embrace being broken. I think what
they mean is not to identify with it. I got you,

(17:00):
so you heal the broken through accepting it and then
growing beyond it, he says. They say it's both. He says,
I agree with your sentiment. Fully clarify we don't want
to stay broken. I think running from brokenness is part
of how brokenness stays entrenched, as opposed to loving onbrokenness

(17:22):
accepting brokenness. He says, Bro, you're confusing two different things.
He says, very good discussion. I said, call in and
state your case.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Family.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I'm open to hear your perspective. Don't have Twitter fingers.
Get to your phone line, stand up on it, huh,
stand up and talk. Then they say, you know, very cool,
very good show, you know, And I'm in there saying

(18:00):
come talk to mees. Then they say, oh, it's the
first time viewing. I'll definitely follow and call one of
these days. Yeah, telling you everybody got a plan until
they get hit. That's Mike Tyson, right. Come on, I'm
trying to coax you out the bushes. Get in this

(18:20):
ring if you want to. Oh man, I love it.
I love these conversations. I do. But let me give
you a little something here. In twenty fifteen, I wrote
a book called The Relationship Dismount How to stick the
landing when exiting a toxic relationship and when I'm talking
about our brokenness, and I don't want to get into

(18:42):
too many semantics, but when I'm talking about our brokenness,
I'm coming from the perspective of what I wrote about
in that book. And there's a little section in that
book where I talk about Kent Sugi. This is ten
years ago. I talk about kin Sugi and kin SUKOROI.

(19:07):
When we come forward, you will understand the context by
which I use brokenness. Hey, and I want to talk
to everybody. One eight hundred nine twenty fifteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Let's get it go.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
What does an optimal relationship look like in terms of
positive and negative emotion? You might say, well, utopia, nothing
but positive interactions.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's like, no, no, no, you don't.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
You want periods of peace punctuated by a good fight
and that because that means you respect them, means you
have something to offer each other, and it means that
you're both growing. A real relationship is a wrestling match.
It's a grappling phenomena that you both emerge transformed from,
and that's what people want. They don't want to push.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Over what wow?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Do you agree with Jordan Peterson? A real relationship is
a wrestling match. And he doesn't mean physically, he's talking
about psychologically. He's talking about spiritually, psycho spiritually.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Man.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Oh that was heavy man. But before we came forward,
and now that we've come full circle, I was addressing
somebody in the KBLA chat who kind of took what
I was saying out of context a little bit, and
I was using an example that I wrote in my

(20:21):
twenty fifteen book The Relationship Dismount. Everybody who's listening to
the show. I rarely promote my books, but if you want,
you can go to Amazon dot com and order. It's
on multiple multiple platforms. You can get Kindle, you can

(20:43):
get ebooks on your iPhone, you can get paperback, you
can get the whole thing, all right. The Relationship Dismount
by Zoe Williams How to stick the landing when exiting
a toxic relationship. Within that book, I talk about this
concept called kinsukuroi. Right now, listen. Kent sugi and kinsukuoi

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are two terms from the same Japanese art and philosophy
right of repairing broken pottery with gold dusted lacquer. The
difference lies in the nuance of their translations. One is

(21:33):
translated as gold joinery, which is ks kent sugi and kinsukuoi,
which is the term that I used was golden repair
or golden mend, like to mend with gold And from

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a philosophical perspective in my book, I would say, and
the rupture is going to happen. You're going to be
broken by your partner, But there's magic in the repair,
so long as you repair with the right psychological adhesive.

(22:18):
If you're using resentment conditional forgiveness, I forgive. So long as,
first off, that type of conditioning or that type of
forgiveness has obsolescence built into it. It's going to break
down over time anyway, because now the person feels forced

(22:38):
to behave a different kind of way, they have to change.
Forgiveness equals change behavior. Well, wait a minute, that person
has to be able to come to some type of
internal realization that makes them change for themselves, not change
for the fear of losing you, because that's a prison too.

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Do you see? And this is what we're talking about
healthy relationships. We live in a society right now that
doesn't even see it as healthy to even try to
cultivate this concept of beautifying the relationship through its inherent brokenness.

(23:24):
Or if something is broke, I ain't trying to fix that.
You a grown man. You should have did that, Joseph.
Do you get what I'm saying Like we get lost
in the discussion of how human beings who are inherently
flawed right should repair relationship. It's easier to break up

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now than it is to participate in this philosophical, psychological
golden joinery that I'm talking about. We have pathologized healthy
by romanticide it into an esthetic rather than an embodied process.

(24:06):
Through Disney's fairytale conditioning and the trauma informed echo chambers
of social media, healthy has come to mean flawless, conflict free,
and emotionally predictable, a kind of sanitized serenity that has
little to do with human nature. Do you see? But health,

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in its truest anthropological and psychological sense, never meant perfect.
It meant whole. This is what Carl Jung was on
when he said, you gotta individuate shadow and mask, you
gotta be whole to begin with. That's what this whole
concept is about. Being whole. Word that shares its root

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with holy wholeness implies inclusion. You self segregated. You're practicing
internal segregation and you want somebody to accept you, but
you really only want them to accept your mask and
your performance. Again, wholeness implies inclusion, not exclusion while you're

(25:24):
suppressing your shadow. It means integrating the dark, the messy,
the uncertain, the unpredictable, and the unresolved parts of our humanity.
What modern media often calls toxic is sometimes just uncomfortable growth,
the friction necessary for intimacy to deepen. D See, you

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gotta do this internal KENSUKUOI this internal golden joy. Listen
when I come forward, I'm going to the phone lines.
I know I got people on they want to talk
about it. Let's get it.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Number one is you always act as a team. It's
not a them problem. It's a wee thing. You're not
keeping score. I took Sophie to baseball on Monday, so
you have to take Johnny to basketball on Tuesday. You
are seeing everything as a we. You don't divide and conquer,
you keep don't keep score, and you are a team
and a shared resource all the time. Two is that

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you focus on yourself and not the other person.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
When you're unhappy.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
It is not their job to make you happy, So
you focus on you, not what they are or aren't doing.
And the third sign is that you're curious all the time.
You lead with curiosity.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
If you get.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Feedback, you ask questions, you don't defend or rebutt. Tell
me more about that. What else were you thinking? Can
you give me another example? These are ways that you
lean into the relationship and really try to communicate and connect.
That's it. I'm doctor having.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Metcalf, Abby, Metcalf, gave you a blueprint. I love it.
I love it. I love it, I love it. The
voice of reason listen. Healthy doesn't mean perfect. Let's understand.
Let's redefine healthy right. Healthy can no longer mean flawless,

(27:24):
calm or problem free. It must now mean alive, aware, integrated,
and self responsible. It must describe a human being who
lives in right relation to themselves, others, and the source.

(27:52):
One who practices self acceptance, not self erasure for fear
of abandonment. Right, true health begins when we stop trying
to become someone else's ideal. Self acceptance does not mean complacency.
It means self honesty. It's the quiet recognition I, even

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in my humanness, my inherent flawed nature, am not a mistake.
Right listen, listen, I am not a mistake in progress.
I am a process in motion. Do you see how

(28:44):
we shift the language here. I am not a mistake
in progress. I am a process in motion. See true love,
the love of self would say anybody who doesn't accept
what I just said, I am not a mistake in progress.
I am a process in motion. I can't be with
somebody who can accept that, because all humans are this.

Speaker 9 (29:08):
See.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
People don't want to be in relationship with human beings.
Human beings are inherently flawed. You're gonna let me down,
You're gonna break my heart, you're gonna trigger me, You're
gonna do all that. That's because we don't understand the
purpose of triggers. We don't understand that this is in
fact something healthy happening. Have you ever seen certain people

(29:31):
set fires to brush? They said, this is a good
fire because this is how you tame a fire, like
you we're burning it, or even in agriculture, because of
the charcoal and the elements in the fire, it actually
enriches the soil. There's a pruning that sometimes needs to happen.

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We don't know how to be in a relationship with
the mirror. The mirror is part of the humanity. I'm
showing you what's wrong with you? Right through this psycho spiritual,
holographic environment we call a relationship.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
We've been conditioned to be saved.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
So when discomfort comes, whatever doesn't save must be blamed.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Listen to it again.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's the quiet recognition. I am not a mistake in progress.
I am a process in motion. From the acceptance, like
from this acceptance, change becomes organic rather than punitive. Christiana
Murti called it seeing what is without resistance.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
DC.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
We have to redefine healthy. Healthy doesn't mean perfect. Healthy
doesn't mean it's always gonna be quiet. One eight hundred nine,
twenty fifteen eighty. We got callers all over the country.
I'm gonnaet him in here right now. J W south
Central Los Angeles. You're the first. What are your thoughts
on tonight's topic?

Speaker 6 (31:11):
Hey, brother, how you doing?

Speaker 10 (31:12):
Man?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I'm good, good brother?

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Well yeah, so am I Man. First, I'm gonna say this.
I hope it's gonna turk you out. I wanted to
keep this just between you and I instead in person,
that you really are busting to me. You really kind
of saving my life in a direct way. I'll could
be old dad, greaton, but you have been a blessing
when my mother's not even communicate with me, and a

(31:39):
lot of my apartments have passed away, relatives and the
several friends. I think that got where I just have
no connection with nobody here. I was like by my
smell and I heard learning the show. I was just
eager pH knowledge and information and just to have dialogue
and talk and drop it up. Okay, I'm gonna move

(31:59):
forward because.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I know, hey, man, hey listen, it's okay, brother, you
can call in and share. I know it's all good.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Yeah. Oh now I want to answer that question. And
in reference to that healthy relationship. And I believe it
is that so many people think it's mustification and another
word you was being aware. I believe it was conscious.
But anyway, I believe a healthful relationship is foods to

(32:27):
the spirit. And once you achieved that, the reciprocation and
all good above can come.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's that the fruits of the spirits is what you said, right.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yes, And because it is growth process and you know
we are we are working prospects. I said that multiple
times in the past, you know, and I haven't learned
to accept myself. Really kept me crowded, man, because our kings.

Speaker 10 (32:58):
I felt myself.

Speaker 11 (33:01):
You confirmed it.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
Man, I really was going through a faith but I
thought this kind of going crazy because Donald Trump, and
I thinks I knew in twenty seventeen and I'm gonna
speak too fast and ramble and I'll want yea topic
per year. But I am just still out and just
taking place anyway.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
I appreciate it, man, I appreciate you.

Speaker 8 (33:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Guess what you just did.

Speaker 9 (33:20):
Bro, I brought la and building Believe.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yes, sir, we appreciate our brother Jay Dubb. Listen, Hey,
it's not about being perfect. That's why I want to
lead with my imperfection here. Do you know how many
people are disappointed in me and I'm okay. All I
could do is learn from their disappoint learn from my

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own disappointment, take responsibility for whatever hurt or dissatisfaction I
have brought into their lives while trying to become more
self away where I mean, you don't hear people in
this lane?

Speaker 12 (34:06):
Do that?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
They talk like, oh I got all the answers and
every show I tell you, I don't have all the answers.
I tell you. Listen, we start the conversation. It's up
to you to finish it. I tell you I'm just
as flawed and as broken as you are, or maybe

(34:27):
even more so. I lead with that, but this is
how we discover the beauty in the brokenness. Right back
to KINSUKUOI and Kinsuki.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
If we can.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Conceptualize the lacker that puts the porcelain pot back together.
If we can conceptualize that the lacker is made of resentment, depression, repression, right, unforgiveness,
right malice, negative self talk, right grief, shame, apathy. If

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we can conceptualize bitterness, that that's what the laquer is
made of, this metaphorical laquer, and we're putting our pieces
back together. With that self deceit self hate, we make
the pot even uglier. We exacerbate the cracks. When I

(35:42):
come forward, I'll tell you what the golden joinery looks like.

Speaker 13 (35:47):
Doctor David Howkins, I'm the director of the Marriage Recovery
Center just outside of Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 8 (35:53):
I want to bring to you a five part series
on When Love Hurts. Now.

Speaker 13 (35:59):
As you know, I specialized in narcissism and emotional abuse
and written a book on that that'll be coming out
in several months.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
I'll keep you posted on that. But this series When
Love Hurts.

Speaker 13 (36:13):
I want to talk about what happens in our love relationships,
what they should look like, and what happens that takes
them awry, because you know, people will often say, you know,
I don't know if this marriage can work. I don't
know if this relationship can work. And you know, apart

(36:33):
from issues of abuse, I'm now expanding this topic. Apart
from those severe issues, you know, relationships can work, but
we have to be effective and functional in those relationships.
So now functionality is not the easiest thing to be
or do, and yet we all have the capacity to

(36:57):
be functional in a relationship. So When Love Hurts, this
first video is the subtitle is created for intimacy, So
we really want to talk about what what are we
aiming for when we think about an intimate healthy relationship.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
So we're created for intimacy.

Speaker 13 (37:17):
So we all know that we're doing well when our
love relationship is going well, and we're doing poorly when
that love relationship is going poorly, and people are often
befuddled as to what takes the relationship up, what takes
it down. And yet I think that if we really
examine what's going on in our relationships.

Speaker 8 (37:37):
What are we like to be with and how are
we functioning in that relationship?

Speaker 13 (37:42):
We can figure it out. So I want to really
encourage you. So what is a healthy relationship? You know,
that's what we've got to have. That's our compass, if
you will. What we want to shoot for. A healthy
relationship is marked by, first of all, functionality.

Speaker 8 (38:00):
It functions. It works. You know, we get along with
our mate, We are able.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
I'm gonna push back. I think that's part of the toxicity.
It works, it functions. That's what causes us to be
in result kind of focused when it comes to relationship.
You know what I signed up? It works?

Speaker 9 (38:27):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Relationships are about being Do you get what I'm saying?
That's a Western perspective. It functions, it works, that's economy.
It's efficient. Do you see what I'm saying? Do you
see the slippery slope in the languaging? It works for
what do you see see? That brokenness needs to be serviced.

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That internal brokenness serves as the con consumer DC the
relationship serves as the firm. I got products for your
insatiable appetite.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It needs to function.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
You need to show up. Hold on what am I
showing up for the being you are or the wound
that consumes you? And if the womb consumes you, the
womb seeks to consume me. We have to be very
careful of the languaging. Let doctor David Hawkins finish, let

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him fish.

Speaker 13 (39:35):
Are able to go to them with concerns and share
our concerns and they will listen to us. They will
hear us, and we will hear them, and we will
listen to them. And so the conflict is very intermittent
and interspersed with long periods of healthy connection where we

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feel a vibrancy, a joy, a connection.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
We feel safe.

Speaker 13 (40:01):
We trust our mate, we know that they are out
for our good, they have our backs. As the saying goes,
so paul, I want you to be thinking.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yes, that's good, that's good. What do they call that
an economy? When the when the the economy has two
or three really good you know, seasons or something. Oh,
we're an expansion. But just like the economy, everything is
ebb and flow. Can you be as happy in the

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ebb as you are in the flow?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
The person shows up, they listen. What about the human
right to not want to listen? Right, now it's not time.
I know I need you in this moment. You know
how how it hurt people feel when they need you
in a particular moment. You might not want to show
up in that moment, and then you the person, the character,

(40:58):
everything is dems when you just don't have it. You
might not have the capacity to. To me, that's building
a layer of dependency. Somebody call in and tell me
if I'm wrong. I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Let him finish.

Speaker 13 (41:18):
Oh, I want you to be thinking about are you
in a relationship where you feel safe, where you're trusting,
where you know you have confidence that you can work
on issues. We should be able to bring our cares
and concerns to each other and know that our mate
is there to help us work out those problems. In

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that environment, of course, then we feel good. It just
feels good. We enjoy this other person and they enjoy us.
Conflict is minimized because we have confidence that we can
work out those conflicts and we enjoy each other's company.

Speaker 8 (41:59):
We are attached in a healthy way. We attend.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
We gotta be careful. It reeks of intimate opioids, addicted
to the good, repulsed by the bad. Oh, it feels
good when they show up for me. That lets me
know they're really down for me Intimate opioids on the

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next v O R. I have to have the space
as a human being to not be diminished if I
don't show up every single time, tell me I'm lying.
Do we not aggrandize the times people don't show up
for us when we need them? And if we show

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up every single time, do we not have a feeling
that I knew you would show up because that's who
you are. And sometimes you feel like you're not appreciated
for showing up, You're not appreciated for coming through.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And I'm on this side too.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Listen, if you embody showing up for people, it's who
you are, then that's not gonna matter so much. But
most people show up because they want to feel that validation.
Do you understand this is what I'm saying, slippery slope

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with the choice of words, Doctor Hawkins, let's get our
callers in here, John Mountain View, Hawaii, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 9 (43:35):
Greetings and blessings to all of those within the sound
of my voice. Blessings to use them for having this subject.
But I got to ask this question because I just
go ahead and beat y'all across.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
The head with go ahead.

Speaker 9 (43:49):
Brother who came up with this subject, sir me, and
who led you spiritually in it?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
What do you mean you've been in the BC just
like just.

Speaker 9 (44:09):
Like you get down loads while you're having your walks
and everything, it's going somewhere.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Just go with Okay, this is just something I was
thinking about that I needed to talk about. It just
came to the surface.

Speaker 9 (44:27):
But you see how things come to the surface, and
the spiritual and the spiritualness that we picked a part
and we used for either edification or destroying each other.
I take you to KNSUKEROI and Consugi, which again during
that time frame, I as the rich ruler who actually

(44:50):
had pottery to actually break and because I appreciated whatever
I had, I wanted somebody to fix. As a ruler,
I am now ruling over you to get the job
done in the midst of that madness, because again, now
you got somebody creating something back in fear to give

(45:12):
back to you so you could be happy. Also, he
the rich young ruler has people who follow them. So
basically after he finally found this treasure in CONSUKUOI, now
there's everybody breaking their plates so somebody could do the

(45:34):
same for this. Why do we all follow in this
measure of things we call life because in most of
us we call the good somebody who's rich. I bring
up two names, jay Z, beyonb Sick, marriage, Zip Goals, this,

(45:58):
that and the third. But if you saw in the
background what they were really going through. And I'm only
speculating because I don't know, but I know I would
not follow in the same footsteps of trying to be
the rich young ruler and also task master my friends,

(46:20):
beating them off the dog on scale, or as jay
Z did when most of his young rappers like Beanie Siegel,
who could actually rap, he would put his album out
before him just so he could put him down and
promote himself. I'm saying, the spirit of everything is missing,

(46:44):
and yet it's before you at the same time, it's
called up, it's everywhere to be found. You don't have
the dog on look too far to catch it. But
yet at the same time, we were all spiritually drained. Right,
We're all looking for this good life, this goodness, this

(47:05):
thing we call spiritual love. What have you? But if
you had your favorite cup of coffee, didn't you just
enjoy it?

Speaker 3 (47:16):
You show? Did you show?

Speaker 9 (47:19):
Did get back? So let's get back to the same
things instead of quit following others in what they claim
is love and understand what love is for yourself because
there's no rule book. And just like art, which again,
music and art are on the same spectrum. They call it,

(47:39):
I'm the expert of this or that. But how can
you do that.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
When there's no great He's saying, it's subjective.

Speaker 9 (47:45):
Yes, yes, yes, so is your love. It's subjective to
you and you get to say whether you get to
sleep right in your bed after you've done what you've
done for the day, or not. What's your choice. I'm done.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Truth is a pathless land. Come on, doctor, you know
what it is. It's passer John in the building.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Hey man, guess what you just did.

Speaker 9 (48:16):
Brother, Mountain Views in the house. Thank y'all for going
on the journey with me.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Mountain View in the building.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
If you want to bring your city in the building,
all you gotta do is call us. At fifteen eighty,
I feel like I need to get on over to Mississippi.
After that. That's what I gotta do. I gotta get
on over to Mississippi. We got Nikki from the sip
on the line. She's ready to cook. Gonna give y'all
a little food for thought. Let me get out of
her way.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Brother, Hey, what of Nikki?

Speaker 12 (48:52):
I just have a few foods for thought. Yes, healthy, love.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
You all.

Speaker 12 (49:01):
Hear you talk about love in the first position.

Speaker 14 (49:07):
When someone offers you peace, people.

Speaker 12 (49:13):
Who are around me regularly, not just as a Catholic person,
but it is an innate part of my nature now
to bid you peace be with you or peace be
onto you. When someone does that and they say that
to you, what they're really offering you is nothing missing

(49:39):
and nothing broken. That's what peace means an Hebrew, the
significance of nothing missing and nothing broken, because you can
offer that to yourself, even though you may not be
in a state of nothing missing and nothing broken, but

(50:02):
it does help you vibrate at that place.

Speaker 14 (50:07):
The universe will bring back to you the thing that
is not whold when you ask.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Or offer.

Speaker 14 (50:20):
The peace.

Speaker 12 (50:23):
When you get that that place, that whole, that thing
that's se lasting starts to become filled. Then it's easier
to put love in the first position.

Speaker 14 (50:33):
Which is not seeking, it just is.

Speaker 11 (50:41):
Now.

Speaker 12 (50:41):
It takes practice which is why I'm saying offer the
peace to yourself first, because that changes how you and
source start to talk and relate to each other, which
can help edify you in the space of putting the

(51:04):
love in the first position, so it's not anticipating what
it's getting back, It isn't waiting for it. It becomes
less inclined to be disappointed if it isn't reciprocal, it
won't matter.

Speaker 14 (51:22):
To you whether it's returned or not.

Speaker 12 (51:29):
See now that starts to be healthy though, Yeah, yeah,
to yourself and to what you are resonating outward. It
will also help to fortify your house. When I say that,
I mean your physical body, so that there's an anxiety

(51:52):
that's created when you don't meet an expectation that someone has. Right,
So now you carry Most of us carry that. We
don't necessarily tell the person who disappointed.

Speaker 11 (52:04):
Us why.

Speaker 12 (52:07):
Or that, so it becomes less about you communicating to
this person who you're supposed to love and who is
supposed to love.

Speaker 14 (52:16):
You that, hey, you missed me here.

Speaker 12 (52:21):
Well, when you're carrying that, you're not putting.

Speaker 14 (52:23):
Love in the first position everywhere else, which then becomes
not healthy.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Wait, stay right there, don't go nowhere because you're cooking
loving the first position food for thought, coming straight out
of Mississippi. When we come forward, we're gonna get her
final summation because she's in rare form.

Speaker 10 (52:48):
Question.

Speaker 15 (52:48):
But pleasu, y'all has any relations for joy.

Speaker 16 (52:58):
And not in itself? I take it you mean or even.

Speaker 9 (53:03):
Beyond the world.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
Is there a.

Speaker 15 (53:08):
Line or a continuity of pleasure to joy?

Speaker 9 (53:12):
Is there a connecting link?

Speaker 15 (53:18):
Because what is pleasure? I take pleasure in eating, I
take pleasure in walking. I take pleasure in accumulating money.
I take pleasure in I don't know, a dozen dozen things. Sex,

(53:39):
hurting people, sadistic instincts, violent, They're all forms of a
pleasure I enjoy. I won't use the word enjoy. I
take pleasure in and pursue that pleasure. One wants to

(54:06):
hurt people and that gives great pleasure. One wants to
have power. No, it doesn't matter what the cook, all
over the wife, all over a thousand people is the.

Speaker 8 (54:21):
Same m hm.

Speaker 15 (54:24):
The pleasure in something which he sustained, not just kept going.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Do you do you see what he's saying?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
It doesn't matter what it is. If it feels good,
that's why he was making the distinction between joy and
pleasure Christian Emerti's work, he made it quite clear. He said,
if you're in pursuit of pleasure, you're also in pursuit
of its opposite. And many people don't care, just as

(55:02):
long as it feels good.

Speaker 10 (55:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Oh man, it's heavy stuff tonight. I want to get
Nicki back in here for her final thought. Nicki from
the sip, please come back in here and give us
a little bit more juice before we hit this thirty
minute mark.

Speaker 12 (55:20):
Talk to me, Well, if it becomes un healthy internally,
then that's what you're going to radiate and attract. The
unhealthy is always going to be coming. If you can't
offer peace and soulness to yourself, because maybe you're not

(55:44):
healthy yet, ask who or whatever your source is for it,
send it to me, help me find it. I know
it's out there, I don't know how to get to it,
because that's a measure of rooting out the unhealthy. When
you're asking how to get to where it's located. Ping

(56:07):
me in the direction I need a pointer, or give
me your flag, give me something, where is it? Because
it's not in here? I'm missing something there's a piece
of my pot that is not fitting, and I'm trying
to put it together. That's why I'm telling you to
offer yourself some peace first, because you're really saying, to

(56:29):
whoever source is for you, I'm asking for nothing to
be missing and nothing to be broken.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Hmmm.

Speaker 16 (56:38):
I love that.

Speaker 12 (56:39):
When I can do that, then I can offer that.
Then I can radiate that, then I can call that in.
Then now I'm working at healthy because healthy is a
wholeness circumstance, physical, mental, spiritual, the whole everything.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So I could be wrong, No, hey, we all could
be wrong.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
That's why I love you.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
But your wisdom beyond high. I ain't even gonna lie.
Your wisdom got saffron in it.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Listen, hey, guess what. Guess what you just did, Nikki.

Speaker 12 (57:16):
I still love everybody, and I brought the sip in
a bit.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yes, ma'am. They brought the sip in the building. Who
you bringing in the building?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
A number dollars one eight under nine, twenty fifteen eighty.
When we come forwards, Oh, William's gonna continue cooking. Let's
get it.

Speaker 16 (57:30):
Not everyone who touches your heart stays, and not everyone
who stays belongs to your heart. Yet, when two lives
cross paths and decide to bind themselves in marriage, it
is never an accident. In the unseen realm of karma,
choices are not always made by the conscious mind. Some
are shaped by seeds planted long before the present breath

(57:53):
was drawn. As the Buddha once taught, everything that has
a beginning has a cause, and everything that a rise
is dependent on something else. This truth, known as padakassimopada
or dependent origination, also governs the mystery of why two
souls come together in marriage. Love is not always the

(58:13):
root of union. Sometimes it is debt. Sometimes it is
a lesson. Sometimes it is a mirror showing everything one
refuses to see, and only sometimes it is the path
toward liberation. Let us now walk through a story that
unravels these truths hidden behind the curtain of what seems

(58:36):
to be romance faith.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Sometimes it's debt. That was the zen philosophy. Clip, my good,
my niece, my niece. Man these videos, and you know
I'm listening to them when you listen to them. But
before I get to breaking down more, let me get
this caller in here.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
We ain't seen this.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Brother in a minute and I'm glad that he called
in Dalla Texas is in the building.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Come on, true Monger, what up true.

Speaker 16 (59:08):
Though?

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Man? Good to hear from you. Brother. How you doing, man, oh.

Speaker 10 (59:14):
Man, I'm good. How about yourself?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Man, I'm alive and well. Good brother, alive and well.
What are your thoughts on this topic tonight?

Speaker 9 (59:21):
Bro oh Man?

Speaker 10 (59:28):
Do you want to know what healthy love is? I
think a lot of people have to experience unhealthy love
to even begin to figure it out. You have to
go through those tough relationships or up some badns, those
uncomfortable moments which a lot of people get into relationships

(59:49):
to try to avoid. They think it's gonna be all
good things, gonna be perfect and perfect words a lot
that's and sould for generations.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Perfect is a lie that they've been selling for generations.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Keep going true.

Speaker 10 (01:00:08):
Because we're all flawed. There would never be a flawless
person on this earth.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Mhm.

Speaker 10 (01:00:17):
But healthy love will make you conscious. Ideally you should
because you need to be. You should already be aware
of yourself going in. Or some people are hooked on
the illusion end of delusion, so they think they get

(01:00:39):
into a relationship and they're gonna be taking care of
their thing's gonna be sweet. Their adversity is never gonna
strike h And adversity is always around. It's just taking
his moments to strike. And how are you gonna handle
it when it comes up? Right, and you're gonna tell
him run or you're gonna face it. A lot of

(01:01:01):
people think it's cool to tell them run because they
will build different and not built to take it. And
I built to face it and deal with it. So
they'll move on to the next room thinking it's on
the safe patent. But we know what say pats are for.

(01:01:21):
I can't say it on the air, but we know
where it's for.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Come on, now, I know exactly what Come on, man,
you donet slowed it down. Now they know exactly what
you said. But go ahead, brother, go ahead, I'm listening.

Speaker 10 (01:01:35):
Yeah, well, yeah, I did relationships civil reveal yourself. Man,
well it's your partner. Is it going at the same
pace or not? It's almost I want I don't want
to say it's completely irrelevant, but your first relationship is
with yourself, right, you need to be checking yourself, how
you how you're coming into the situation, how you're acting

(01:01:57):
in the situation. So then when you're don't get a
big hair when you're right right. There's gonna be times
when you're own it's gonna get thrown in your face.
And how you're gonna handle that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Exactly, exactly one hundred percent. Man, True Monger brother, Hey man,
true measy Man. It's been too long.

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I appreciate you calling in tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Guess what you just did.

Speaker 10 (01:02:20):
My friend who's a bout Dallas in the building, Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Texas is on the board.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I told y'all, Texas show up for the VR. You
want to bring your city in the building. You know
the protocol, you know the routine, and you already know
how we get down. All you gotta do is call
me a one eight hundred nine fifteen eighty when we
come forward. Oh, I got time perfect. This is hey.
Troy from Baltimore, Maryland is on the line. Troy, what

(01:02:49):
are your thoughts on tonight's topic?

Speaker 11 (01:02:54):
Tonight topic has been good, but some of the things
the previous call is said was a little over my head.
But when talking about recognizing like healthy love and stuff,
would the only measure be engauging like what they do
for you. Because there's been situations where someone might be cooking, cleaning,

(01:03:21):
or small things like that. But then when something doesn't
go their way, they're the complete opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
No, brother, you're very keen to point out that many
people see a healthy relationship as one that's going their way.
I gotta get everything I signed up for. You hear
people intimate that when they say, I didn't sign up
for this. But the reality of relationships is really about

(01:03:51):
self discovery and making oneself whole. In other words, if
I get into a relationship and I get triggered a
certain way, that's revealing an aspect of myself that I
didn't know existed until I entered this relationship. So now
I have to investigate why did that trigger me? Where
did that trigger come from? What is that trigger's origin right?

(01:04:14):
And is there a story behind it? Oh, is it
connected to my parents or my mother, my father, both
of them, my upbringing. That's when you start this self
discovery journey. This is why the great Christian Aberti said
relationships are about discovering oneself as they are. This is
why he called it the mirror of relationship. But if

(01:04:37):
I turn a relationship into a convenient store that this
person is supposed to have all the goods that I
need for my emotional benefit, my emotional well being. Then
that person is engaging in this manipulative, transactional kind of exchange.

(01:04:58):
That's not what relation relationships are forth. So when you
bring that point up, you're right on point. In a
lot of way, a lot of people look at relationship
as a place to a escape themselves and b get
all of the necessary resources they may need in order
to perpetuate that escape.

Speaker 11 (01:05:16):
Does that make sense, Yes, that does make sense. And
when you said reflected on discovery, it made me think
it was a time where I might have been like
slightly inebriated and I had said something and I had
said never mind. She was like you always say never mind,

(01:05:40):
and that for some reason I had just started like crying.
But it made me think, like, dang, I've been saying
that since I was very young, like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
And I don't know it just well no, no, no, no,
peel it back. Why did you start crying.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
When?

Speaker 11 (01:05:57):
I I guess when like parents, you still like or
I wanted to speak my mind about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Something felt unseen. Pat you felt unseen, You felt unheard.
I hear where you're going, but I want to just
throw you the word because I know what you So
when she said that, it triggered you. Took you all
the way back to childhood, right.

Speaker 11 (01:06:24):
Yeah, So talk about before.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Talk about that experience of being unseen and unheard in
your household, talk about it.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
That that's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
No no, no no, but that's part of the that's
part of the healing, healing that you want a healthy relationship,
You got to have a healthy you, right, yes? Do
you see? This is this is what this is. This
is you calling in tonight.

Speaker 9 (01:06:59):
This is what this is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
People think healing and being healed and the process of
healing and having healthy relationships are about two people that
are compatible. They come together and it's all good. But
the healing starts with you. The sister said something triggered you,
you had an emotional reaction to it, and you automatically

(01:07:23):
went back to a memory of your upbringing, right yeah,
And you felt unseen. In a healthy relationship, brother, their
space for the emotional breakdown, their space, right for the

(01:07:44):
ensuing conversation, the conversation that I'm having with you as
a brother right now. In a healthy relationship, there's space.
But in order for that space to be there, you
gotta have two corresponding healthy people, or at least two
people on the path of being healthy, doing the work saying, hey,

(01:08:10):
hold on, this is a moment for him. Let me
create even more safety in this moment so he can
get it all away out and let me be there
in support so the brother can even talk about it.
So did you see how when I say, hey, can
you talk about that situation? You said, oh, no, hold on,

(01:08:33):
wait we on the radio. Hold on what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
ADIEZ? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
You're supposed to be in a relationship where man, it
feels okay to disclose, to release, and maybe not for me,
but for the person you're with. Do you understand these
are signs of a healthy relationship when you can do that.

Speaker 16 (01:08:57):
Does that make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Troy? Hey, man, I love his call. Man, Guess what
you just did? Brother? What what he said?

Speaker 16 (01:09:13):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
You gotta know the rules? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
When you call in, I ask you, guess what you
just did? Then you said, I brought Troy, I brought Baltimore,
Maryland in the building. That's how I got so now, no, no,
no hold on, let me let me ask you now.
And now I gotta ask you because y'all just won
the football game tonight. Hold on, Troy, guess what you

(01:09:40):
just did.

Speaker 11 (01:09:43):
I brought Baltimore, Maryland in the building.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Well, Baltimore, Maryland is on the board. The video R
is cooking.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Hey, Troy, we appreciate you, brother man, nothing but love
and respect for you for calling in and Sharon. When
I come forward, I'm gonna land this plane.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Hey, the v O R on this playlist is bananas
right now. My playlist is my co host. Wait a minute,
hold on, Andy, I know we got other slappers. Stephanie Mills.
I was a little kid when that was hit. Hold on,
wait a minute. Oh wait, hold on, Hey, don't let

(01:10:29):
your playlist be better than your love life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Don't let the lyrics Alfred Korzivski right. The map is
not the territory. Don't let the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Music be better than your love life. Come on, tell
us about it, Patty. Hey, the voice of reason is
on complete fire. Grab your woman by the small of

(01:11:04):
a back, pull it into your star.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Slow dance can always come on, Come on right in
the kitchen. Wait a minute, hold on, Andy, what else?

Speaker 8 (01:11:17):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Wait, hold on, hold on, I know we got something else,
you're gonna go to school. Meet me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Always, God, can you come back? The Voice of Reason?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
We got the music for the youngsters too, The Beurs
on complete Fire. Don't let your playlist be better than
your love life. Oh wait a minute, Andy, I know
we got something else. Come on, come on, Andy, leck it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
The voice of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Come on man, Hey, listen, listen, Listen, listen, Linda, listen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
She's only the vocal Bible. Y'all know who she is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
So again, I just know I'm about starting the conversation,
and I'm about encouraging people to finish the conversation. I
really want to send a personal shout out to Baltimore, Troy.

(01:13:01):
It takes a tremendous amount of courage to call into
a radio station and share your truth. I had a sister,
Precious was just in here. She was telling me yesterday
about myself. I listen. Precious was like, Zoh, stand in

(01:13:28):
your truth. Brother, stand in your truth, Troy. Even a
brother like me who can inspire a brother like you
to call in and stand in your truth sometimes needs
to be reminded to stand in there. Let me say, man,

(01:13:50):
I love you all for tuning in. This was an
amazing week of content. I appreciate everybody. I'll be back
next week with a whole new slapper series of Slappers
the v o R.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Y'all enjoyed this song a holla