Divinely Fumbled?

Has God been an absent parent in the lives of his children and Creation? Is this why most of our intimate relationships are so hurtful? Are our intimate relationships designed to facilitate self-individuation or self-actualization, as Jungian individuation suggests, which could potentially lead us back to divine individuation or integration with the source of all that is? 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Many people in your history have said God is omnipresent.
Many people on your planet have lost sight as to
what that actually means. For something to be truly omnipresent,
it actually has to be not only everywhere.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
The only way it can be everywhere is if it's everything.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Eh.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Many people still confuse this idea and think, well, yes, okay,
God is everywhere, but over there not here.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm here, but God's over there.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Or maybe God comes to within inches of me, or
maybe right at my skin, but then there's me.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
There's still a separation.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
You have to be made of God because there's nothing
else to be made from. Ooh, there is nothing else.
All that is is literally all that is by definition. Therefore,
of course it's omnipresent because it is everything. That's why
it is a misunderstanding on their planet talk about the

(01:05):
idea of God's will because they don't understand that God's
will is your will, and your will is God's will
because you are a unique perspective of God, and God's
will is that you have your own will to be
who you are uniquely, so that all that is can
experience the unique perspective that you are. So there is

(01:27):
no such thing as God forcing its will on anyone?
Why would it do that when it's already everything that
there is?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
There is nothing to.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Force its will on because it's already experiencing every possible
perspective it can be experiencing.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
So what does it need to change? You see the
logic of.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
This blasphema, You're not finna do this to me? Who
was his eyes closed when he was talking. He was
had his eyes closing, his hands folded. That's but sheer
right Bashar, Yes, he that's a clip where he says,

(02:05):
you are God experiencing itself. Wow, it's about to be deep. Listen.
I had to bring in some reinforcements for tonight's topic.
It's important that we do this. We need perspective, and

(02:28):
what better perspective than a spiritually inclined suster A black woman.
Let me tell you, some woman, a black woman, say
it all the way, a black woman. Man. We need
a praise break on black women alone. Let's get it

(02:55):
mine am I. Yes, yes, ladies and gentlemen, she's back
in the building. Precious or this is our spiritual advisor.
This is the spiritual advisor for the v R man.

(03:16):
We're here talk to a sister. How you been.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh, I've been good. Pretty fair for a square.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, pretty fair for a square. Don't flare up on
me up and come on? I love it. Hey, we
in here tonight. And tonight's topic. It's a deep one
because a lot of people struggle with this idea. Right,
let me just yeah, A lot of people struggle with
this idea. Oh sorry, yeah, yeah, I got you. Yeah,

(03:48):
And that is I mean. People don't want to say it,
but sometimes they feel divinely fumbled. Sometimes they feel like
God is silent, like a parent, Like God is absent.
Andy said, are you talking to me?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Like?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Hey, did God leave my text message on red? God
is responding to my prayers like dismissive avoidance respond to
text messages. God is just not gonna read it. Are
you divinely fumbled? Has God been an absent parent in

(04:30):
the lives of the children of his children and creation?
Is this why most of our intimate relationships are so hurtful?
Because in attachment theory, what happens is if you have
a parent that is not attuned to your needs, chances

(04:50):
are that child is going to develop manipulative strategies in
order to get that attunement from the parent, and if
they can't get it from the parent, they're going to
take it into adult relationships and use that, you know,
that coping mechanism to get it from their partner. My God,

(05:11):
has God put us into spiritual survival mode by appearing
silent indifferent? Did God fumble us? Are we defined divinely fumbled?
Has God been an absent parent in the lives of

(05:31):
his children and his creation? This is gonna be deep.
Are our intimate relationships designed to facilitate self individuation self actualization?
As Carl Jung you know, labeled it individuation as that
suggests which could potentially lead us back to divine individuation

(05:55):
where we merge with God. What is individuations, though, Carl
Jung said, individuation is when you merge your shadow with
your mask. Your mask is your performance piece, that's your makeup. Right,
That's how the world sees you and how you want
the world to see you. That's the presentation the representative
as they say, right, that's your best foot forward, the mask.

(06:19):
But the shadow is the mess, and the mess you loathe.
You can't have a real relationship with a real person
until you become a whole person yourself, according to Young
in philosophy or psychology, right now, what about individuation with
the divine? Hmm, merging with the divine? Could intimate relationships

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be a co facilitator of that type of individuation? Following
the logic of attachment theory, many insecurities and insecure attachment
styles are a rise from the lack of emotional attunement
provided by our primary caregivers. If God is our spiritual

(07:08):
primary caregiver, has God missed numerous opportunities to attune to
our psycho spiritual needs? This is ugly. It's gonna get
ugly tonight. See. I ain't the type of dude that
puts on content that's goofy and silly. Oh, I'm too

(07:32):
good for what was that? I'm too good for what's
that restaurant called? I'm too good for cheesecake? We don't
do cheesecake factory conversation here, you know, we gotta I'm
too good for Ruth Chris, we gotta do my stross
or mister Chow, we gotta do something special. I need

(07:53):
to be able to photograph this meal tonight. I need
to be able to put it on the ground see,
we don't do that. I don't do eyelashes. The eyelashes
is too big. She's about to fly away the wind disgusted.
I don't do these types of conversations. I do the
real stuff right that relationships are made up. You know,

(08:15):
relationships are made of mess, right, And it's our presence,
our peace, and our calmness in the mess that creates
healthy structures. Are you all ready to do this work tonight?
One eight hundred nine twenty fifteen eighty Sister girl, what
are your thoughts on this topic? Is it radical? Is

(08:36):
it out of the box? What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (08:38):
It's juicy in the right way. It's the unspoken parts
of relationship that excuse me. I'm so busy trying not
to breathe on this thing. But it's the unspoken parts
of relationships that people need to understand, and when they
understand better, they can show up better. So this is

(08:58):
what it is.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's gonna do good stuff. Yeah, it's gonna hurt. So
God is the father, right, we call him the father?
And you here, We had a sister in here just
a minute ago saying I got a relationship and I'm
not everybody I talk to I'm not religious, I'm spiritual.
Everybody I talk to and I got a relationship, do

(09:20):
you can you have a relationship with God if you
have a toxic one with yourself, well.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
You can come on?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Come on.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
So I believe God as a frequency. I believe God
as a vibration. Right, you have to tap into that. Right.
People think if it's not easily accessible, it might not
be worth the effort. Right, But they say, wait a minute,

(09:57):
is old. And everybody who told you that, everybody who
said love shouldn't be hard or relationship shouldn't be hard.
And I'm not advocating for difficult relationship, right, that's not
I'm not advocating for abusive relationships, disrespectful relationships, relationships where
people are not paying attention. I'm not advocating for that.

(10:17):
But somebody told somebody that relationships are supposed to be easy, right,
and did God give you the partner that was difficult?
Let me it?

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I mean you do hear that love should be easy? Mm?
Define love? Right? That's a not easily defined construct.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
First off, it's not a construct. Uh oh see see
the moment see love like God, the moment you make
it into a construct, that's when you make it so
you can understand it, like, oh, so you think the
word represents the reality? Do you see what I'm saying?

(11:02):
Alfred Korzipsky said it this way, he said linguistic. He
called him linguistic maps. He said, the map is not
the territory. The map is not the reality. Sometimes we
will take the word. I take you at your word, right,
But what is the reality of the person? Do you see?

Speaker 5 (11:22):
So?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
If God is our primary spiritual caregiver and you have
this overwhelming sense that maybe God has put you in
a situation of relationship that is unfulfilling, do you think
God did that for no reason? And if there is
a divine reason behind it, what is it?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Well, first of all, God gets blamed for a lot,
a lot. Oh right, We have to take into consideration
the soul. At some point in our evolution, the soul
shows it. So it's not that God is putting you
in it. God allowed for the situation to happen because

(12:04):
this is what the soul chose before it came into being.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Oh see, she getting into the university of you, the
university of relationship. God done established a university where it
experiences itself through the vehicle of relationship. Is that what
you're telling me?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Absolutely, go deeper, pleasolutely. So you know, we kind of
touched on it before when I was here before, but
I want to go back further. It's about the soul's evolution, right,
So this involves reincarnation. There's a reason that therapists refer
clients to me because the therapist is going to take

(12:45):
care of your behavior and what.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Has happened the thought process.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
But they send you to me to take care of
your soul. Right. And so when we start to talk
about the soul, we have to also consider the origin
of the soul, Where did it come from? What have
you expect experienced before in other lifetimes? And you exploring
the Kashak records is wonderful if you can afford it,

(13:09):
but everybody can afford that. So understanding how your soul
is showing up lifetime after lifetime will help you understand
why you chose this brand of pain when you came
into this life. But you came in for the pain.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Now this deep, this deep deep see see hold on.
So our soul is a piece of God, absolutely right,
That's what connects us absolutely, oh Dad. So it reminds
me of the quarter Anne when God a law is

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creating Adam. And it said it took him from Hamun
right black mud, the soil, and then shaped him and
fashioned him right into a body. And then it said,
Allah blew into his nostrils a piece of his soul,

(14:08):
a the soul of Allah Allah and blue that into
the nostrils of Adam. And then said, kunaya kuhn exist
and be right. So when you're talking about us being
a piece of God, is God relating to itself? When

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we're in intimate relationship with other a different aspect and
as God saying through your ego, you can't connect to
me or I can't connect to the divine in you,
and you can't connect to the divine and me. So
through your ego, we have to get this ego to
the side so we can reconnect this divine or this

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divinity that makes us one? Is that true communion.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
It?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Think on it? Won't we come forward? Oh Lord Lord
everortt precious is in here tonight. We finished cook up,
we finished the term call us, call us, call us.
Let's get it.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
Just because you're becoming more spiritual that you won't have
any challenges anymore. Just the opposite is the case. You
will have more challenges because you're more capable of handling them.
Now here's the funny part. One of the biggest surprises
of awakening is not that you float around in perfect bliss,

(15:34):
but that it becomes almost impossible to fall in love again,
at least in the way you used to. The swooning raptures,
the feverish anticipation, the little dramas and sentimental scribblings, all
of that becomes strangely unconvincing. It isn't that you've lost
the capacity to love, far from it. In fact, love

(15:57):
becomes richer, deeper, quieter. But the old game of projection
and pursuit just doesn't work any more. You can't unsee
what you've seen. You know now that most of what
passes for romance is simply two hungry selves making arrangements
with one another. And once you've spotted the trick, it's

(16:17):
very hard to be enchanted by it again. M So
there you are, alive, awake, full of wonder, and at
the same time utterly incapable of falling in love in
the way the world is so long instructed you ought
to what we ordinarily call falling in love is in

(16:38):
truth a curious kind of hypnosis. You meet someone and
suddenly the mind begins to weave like a spider, spinning
threads of memory, desire, and projection, until you are no
longer relating to the person at all, but to a
tapestry of your own imagination, and then quite in tocicated

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by your own creation. You say, I am in love.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Man. Listen, Alan Watts he out here, snipe it.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
That's everything right there?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
What in the world, That's what it is. See and
what I find is this new generation with their lack
of resilience. Right. First off, self work requires resilience. It
requires that you fight some internal wars, right, some internal battles.

(17:36):
Nobody is coming to save you, but you. Period and
relationship teaches you how to up level to a self
messiah ship, right where you start to clean up your
own I guess, shadow Cobwebs. We've got callers on the line.
I want to get him in here. Let's do it. Yeah,
I know you want to talk to him. They want
to talk to you. Come on, la Is in the house.

(17:59):
Off rip. Nick Cole from Los Angeles, You're the first
caller on the V o R first to join this
national discussion. What are your thoughts on tonight's.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
Topic y'all doing? First of all, we.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Are great Nicole.

Speaker 8 (18:16):
Good.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
So my perspective is very vast one. I am both
a client and friend of your co host.

Speaker 9 (18:28):
There come Nicole.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
With the velvety vocals. I love it. Are you a singer?
It sounds delicious, sounds like devil food?

Speaker 7 (18:41):
I wish you know as an epoch practitioner. Are our
ideas around God are very different?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
A little bit?

Speaker 7 (18:54):
And I in respect to our relationships with other human beings,
one of the things God is always in a relationship
with us, Oh do made is always in a relationship
with us, whether or not we are in good relationship
with ourselves. And much like Precious says, our soul comes

(19:19):
in with a purpose and it must experience pain or
contrast or whatever you'd like to call it in order
for it to expand. And part of that expansion is
the experience of joy and healthy relationship. Right, But you
cannot experience that if you don't know. It's opposite, and

(19:41):
our soul signs up for the opposite.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, so let me ask you, Nicole, that's beautiful. She
came in we love it. But I too, am a
practitioner of Epha, so I understand every Yeah, I understand,
child of a su let's what we own to night,
let's get it. But Warrior God is Yeah, but she

(20:08):
said something that's really, really big, and I want to
dig into it when we come forward. Don't go nowhere, Nicoll,
when we come forward to v are gonna keep this fire?
Let me.

Speaker 10 (20:21):
For most of us we demand freedom politically or religiously,
or to think what we like.

Speaker 9 (20:36):
And there is there.

Speaker 10 (20:38):
Freedom of choice, political freedom, it's all right and one.

Speaker 11 (20:59):
Must have it.

Speaker 10 (21:00):
Yeah, But for most of us we never demand and
find out whether it is all possible to be free. Inwardly,
our mind is a slave to its own projections, to

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his own demands, to his own desires and fulfillment. The
mind is a slave.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
To its.

Speaker 10 (21:37):
Cravings, to his appetites, and apparently we never ask whether
it's at all possible to be free inwardly.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Uncle hurt we call him Krishner hurt, not Christna Murty,
Krishna hurt Tea, that's uncle HURDI he gonna hurt you
with the truth. Is it at all possible to be
unconditionally free? Inwardly, you're a slave to your cravings, to
your desires, to to your wants, to your slights, your

(22:22):
slight collector. I'm owed this, I'm entitled to this. You
owe do you see what I'm saying? And you go
into adult relationships with zero tolerance for other people because
you have zero tolerance for the work you need to
do internally. Oh this is deep. This is a lot.

(22:43):
Nicole from Los Angeles. I need you to get back
in here. I need you to get back in here.

Speaker 12 (22:48):
Oh my god, she has a question for you, Nicole.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
So for the lay person, can you please explain what
the oriy is and how it connects to the to
doula mari.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
So, in very basic terms, your orri.

Speaker 13 (23:08):
Is your highest self.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
From my perspective, is in fact the true reflection of
your soul. You pray to it before you pray to
anything else because it is so divinely connected to God
or Mare.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's deep. What's so interesting about Epha is there are
relationships in Epha where you see Shango and Oba and o'shoon,
and you see these relationships and people don't understand part
of the apothecs and stories that are being shared. Sometimes

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are being shared through the relationships of say s U
and Ogon and their friendship.

Speaker 14 (23:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So what's interesting about this is those metaphors apply to
intimate relationships. I think people, and I've been saying this
for a long time, people devalue because they don't know
how to connect to the spiritual aspect of relationship being

(24:15):
more important than the societal aspect where we're gonna live
and how we're gonna pay our bills and what school
did you go to? And where do you work? And
how much money do you make? And what's your fightal score?
And can you do you get what I'm saying, can
we afford vacations? And all of that? S icing the
cake of the relationship is the internal work that collides

(24:39):
in communion between two people. Nicole, can you speak to that?

Speaker 7 (24:46):
Yes, As someone who's recently divorced.

Speaker 13 (24:52):
That was my primary lesson the entirety of the marital relationship.
You know, as things kind of declined, I had to
stop looking at what they were or were not doing.
That was that was the goal, because like we're saying,

(25:13):
the cake is what am I doing or not doing?
What is my internal reflection? What is what is he
mirroring for me that I need to connect closer to
my soul with.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Now, may I ask someone that I worked with, can
you share, like maybe one of the things we worked
on together that I was pushing you towards or that
we were working towards while your process.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
Sure, so we had issues surrounding emotional unavailability, you know,
not there when you need, not there when you want,
maybe not there at all, but still pulling on you
for things, and you try to perform in the ways
that they need, so you grow resentment.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Why can't they do that?

Speaker 7 (26:04):
Why can't they do that? Pressure is the thing. For me,
it was always go deeper?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
What do you need?

Speaker 7 (26:15):
What satisfies your soul? What can you do to commit
to your growth? If the reality is the relationship that
you're in is not growing.

Speaker 9 (26:27):
So what can you do.

Speaker 14 (26:30):
You?

Speaker 7 (26:31):
Because it's never about the other person, It's never about
the other Thank.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
You for that.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Your job is you? Your job is your job is you?

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Even if the other person is presenting said challenge? Why
does it bother you? And what about it bothers you?
And what does that mean for you? Because that's what
you journeyed in for.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
I got a question for both of y'all. Now do
you you didn't got me started, let's do it. So
do you think the primary absence, or what we perceive
to be an absentee spiritual father in God, falls on
to the shoulders of our significant other. They got to

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show up just because again we expect our parent, We
expect our partner to pick up where our parents left off.
This is why there's this big reparenting thing that a
lot of clinicians are talking about. You gotta reparent yourself
to give yourself what your parent didn't give you. But
also that person who is in your life brings sound

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to the silence that you attribute to God. When you
get a person, you think God heard me, he listened,
he gave me what I want. Now, when he didn't
give you what you wanted, you thought messages to him
were on red, left on red. Do you see what
I'm saying? Sometimes we put our partner in position of

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our parent, and maybe even in this psycho spiritual sense
in this in the silence that God represents.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
But that that's that's that's hustling backwards. Talk to us,
because you know there is no spot where God is
not so it's an impossibility and when we are perceiving
a short coming from the divine, it's because we that's
our blind that's our blind spot internally, that's where so

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we turn that frustration outward and blame that. The blame
game is always a pursuit of the ego, always, always,
always they did this, they did But what is it?
What's your part?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
How?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Why is this coming for you?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
How are you a cochrie?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
How are you precisely?

Speaker 8 (28:58):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Why did you attract this? What in your soul needed this?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
But some people don't even like this philosophy of you
attract who you are. Right, But then we'll turn around
and say, relationship is a mirror nicole your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
I mean all of this, all of the above, right,
you know you you can not look at anyone that
you're in relationship with, even if it's a person you're
passing on the street. If you turn up your lip
and say something foul, there is something fouling you.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
This is one reason why I don't really conform. I
used to, don't get me wrong. I used to go
in you did this, And this is how I feel
Now I sit with whatever it is that I'm feeling.
First and where I am. By time I get to
processing it, I don't have anything to say to the

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other person about them. That's my stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh I love that. Hey, Nicole, guess what you just did, Sugar.
You brought Los Angeles in the building. If man, you
wanna bring your city in the building, Lord, all you
gotta do is calling now. One eight hundred nine twenty
fifteen eighty. The voice of reason is on complete fire.

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The phone lines are on complete fire. Oh Lord, let
me tell you something. If you need a little Jesus,
come on now. We don't leave Jesus out of the picture.
Jesus part of this whole situation. Jesus knew how to
be with a human. He was with Mary Magdalen. She
was a prostitute, and he accepted her as she was.

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He didn't say nothing was wrong with her, He didn't
judge her. That's how you be with a human being.
Most of us don't know how to be with a
human being. We need a human doing, a human providing,
a human showing up, a human's presence. Oh Lord, when
we come forward, the fire gonna keep going.

Speaker 15 (30:55):
What happens in complex trauma when you don't feel somebody's
there for you to help you through a difficult situation.
Is you feel abandoned. But then what happens is you
believe that you must be the reason they abandon you.
You must have many flaws, you're not worth it. So
you then abandon yourself. You don't even like yourself. And

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so what happens now in being committed to yourself is
you're saying to the wounded part of you, I won't
abandon you again. I am committed to working through this
stuff with you.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Tim Fletcher sounds like he's making sense to me. But
do we stretch too far that I find because of
God's silence that we're doing a lot of interpretation for God.

(31:58):
Are we putting words and thoughts and idea is in
God's mouth? Maybe we have translated our desires into what
we think God wants for us. Really, do you understand
what I'm saying? And this is why when we don't
get what we want, we think maybe God is ignoring us.

(32:18):
Maybe God is not on the same team. If I'm
looking at this through a scientific, a Western lens, the
scientific lens would say God isn't real. If God was real,
then that means God is indifferent to what you want,

(32:39):
right if I'm looking at it from a spiritual Eastern
philosophical lens, the silence is the initiation into the higher self. Absolutely,
do you see if my mama was silent, I need
God to speak. I know if my mama or my

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daddy was silent, my partner can't be silent. And if
I prayed to God for this person and they show up,
I'm gonna believe the person that showed up was sent
by God. But what if they are as silent as
my mama? Now is God playing with me? First off,

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God didn't answer, but I thought he did cause they.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Sent me up.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Do you see the conundrum? How do we fix that?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
The it's the journey of going through because it is
in what some reference as the silence is the stillness
that we're able to hear, and that stillness or that
silence has to also be an internal experience. You have
to silence that noise. The pain also a tool of

(33:59):
the ego, ultimately a tool of the divine to block
the message. That pain is louder than the message. The
message is very steel. And so this is why how
you were saying earlier about being and doing You have
to learn how to be less doing more being. It's
the being that delivers you to the silence that allows

(34:22):
you to hear, because the spirit is always speaking. We're
not always listening.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Right, We're not tuned in. It's a frequency.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
You have to be a vibrational alignment. Yes, at the
same time, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
No, it's even getting bigger because I'm trying to I'm
trying to create the language for it. And you know,
language is a slippery slope. So what you're telling me
is in a in a divine context, silence is a
type of divine language. It is like it just because

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it's not audible, it might it might pull on other
senses that are required in order to receive messages out
of the silence, like.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
There's a third eye, there's a third ear. Ooh, and
that is a process of divinity. It's painful, So.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Like Claire audience, it could be it could.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Also be clear intellect and upload of information like aha,
got it right, that's big Yeah, I like that. Yeah,
but the pain is also we could take out that
word pain. It's resistance.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
What we resist persist Carl, Yes, and as we.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Resist, well, I don't want to have another partner like that,
and I don't want to It's less about having it's
more about being right.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
So if God is all of us than is, then
would having a relationship with yourself be tantamount to having
a relationship with God.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I'm gonna say that the only relationship you're ever having
is the one you're having with yourself. And is it
Nikki Giovanni that says I turned myself into myself and
I was God. It's a process, but all of the pain,
all of the hurt, is there's an equal measure of

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love pressing up against that. You have to be still
in order to allow it, get out of resistance and
allow So.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
When you say stillness, then that means we have to
kill anticipation because there's something called anticipatory grief. The longer
we are anticipating getting what we want, the more anxiety
and grief comes in. And then the more doubt seeps in.
We're anticipating like, oh, I want to get it. I
want to get it, and when it doesn't come.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Well, saying you want suggest you don't have come on.
And if you are in vibrational alignment with it. In
order to bring yourself in vibrational alignment, you have to
learn how to be and.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Then you have it. But being doesn't have expectation.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Correct anticipation is the equal to it equals the push away.
That's what's keeping it on. It's the carrot.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Oh Lord, stay right there, listen, hold on. We got
callers from Los Angeles, Oakland, Hawaii. They're all over the country.
If you want to participate in the tonight's conversation, it's
a it's a barn burner. Gosh, Jesus, hold tight when
we come forward more from the VR.

Speaker 12 (37:49):
How does complex trauma like really impact and sabotage our lives?
Here are three ways that I think are huge that
we don't talk about enough. Number one, the experience of
having parents betray you by not being generally consistently safe
creates a lack of trust in humans. It's like, at

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the end of the day, you can only trust yourself,
and even that could be difficult, but you learn to
self regulate and that anyone, at any moment can hurt you.
Number two, your emotional interior world is often extremely intense,
and you feel too much and think too much. But
you have learned to contain that and not share that,
and so part of your work is learning how to

(38:32):
engage in a vulnerable way with other people. And that
is the last part, and that's the part I'm going
to be doing a lot of work here on is
being vulnerable and open to your needs and your wants
and your hopes and your dreams.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
That was doctor Kim Sage, heavy words. This is the
second hour of the Voice of Reason Life on KBLA
Talk fifteen eighty. I am Zoe Williams, the Voice of Reason,
and of course my special guests, our spiritual advisor, the
VR's personal spiritual advisor. That Miss Precious McGill. Yeah, she

(39:13):
in the building.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
She wanted a realist.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
How do they find you if they needed to contact you?
Right now?

Speaker 4 (39:20):
You can go to with Precious dot com.

Speaker 8 (39:22):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
That's my landing page until my website is up and
you can get in contact with me. There at the
bottom of the screen there'll be a way to contact me.
You could also go to my ig page Phenomenal Change
at Phenomenal Change or f Facebook's the same.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I love it, I love it, I love it. Tonight's
topic is divinely fumbled, and we're loosely basing this off
of attachment theory basically says, when you have as doctor
Kim Sage was talking about, you know a parent that
is generally inconsistent, and if God is a spiritual parent,
and we have to kind of reconcile that silence, what

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does that mean? Did God divinely fumble us? Because a
lot of people would say God is as emotionally non attuned,
right inattuned, as their parent was. People have a problem
with that God is not there, and that's how a

(40:24):
lot of people see it. Right, What if the silence
we call God, it's not an absence but calibration, calibration
of consciousness, withdrawing to let its children regulate the voltage

(40:45):
of their own divinity necessary. Humanity's greatest trauma may not
be sin, but separation, the psychic echo of a parent
who stopped answering prayers so we might learn to listen inwardly.
Precious told us that earlier. Every nervous system trembling between

(41:09):
faith and fear becomes the new covenant. The living laboratory
where theology rewires itself as biology divinely fumbled. It asks
whether our suffering is evidence of divine cruelty or the

(41:29):
curriculum of awakening. Psychology calls it attachment rupture. I no
longer feel attached to God.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Maybe Adam felt this way when they got expelled from
the garden. Right. Mysticism calls it initiation. Physics calls it
frequency modulation. Each heartbreak, each unanswered prayer is a holographic

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fragment of the infinite forgetting itself to experience remembrance. The
ego becomes God's temporary amnesia woo, the divine disassociating into
matter to rediscover love through form. Here, pain ceases to

(42:28):
be pathology. It becomes pedagogy, an instruction, a tool, a right.
This pain is a spiritual escalator. The body is not
the prison of spirit, but it's proving ground. Faith is

(42:50):
not blind belief, but the nervous system's capacity to stay
regulated amid uncertainty. Every human being you meet is an uncertainty.
Regardless of what they say and what they do and
how they tap dance for you, they are still an uncertainty.

(43:11):
If it's a performance, that means we're putting our best
foot forward. That means we're doing the best we can
so we can continue to keep you. It's a manipulation.
We've learned it in childhood. It's a farce. When's the
last time you met a real human that was unapologetically themselves.

(43:33):
Lord fifty eighty, the phone lines are crazy right now
right reason, intellect, far from heresy, becomes another form of devotion.
Whether one kneels before a cross or a microscope, both

(43:53):
gestures seek coherence with the same implicate order. This is
doctor David Baum go get his book Wholeness and the
Implicate Order. He was the first to talk about the
holographic reality. He called it a hollow movement, the explicate
and implicate order consistently shifting and enfolding with this was

(44:16):
a theoretical physicist. Man Einstein called him his his spiritual godson.
This is not about belief, It's about bandwidth. When awareness
stabilizes enough to hear silence as a signal, absence transforms

(44:37):
into instruction, and the forgotten God remembers himself through us.
Your thoughts, come on, precious, we got callers to get to.
I need to hear from you.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
The goal is to love somebody and these aren't my words,
but this is my truth, this is my heart. The
goal is to love another person in the way that
they feel free right and in order to set give
another person that space to feel free, you yourself have

(45:18):
to experience freedom first. Come on, right, and freedom may free.
It's hard one. In fact, come on, it will cost
you everything, yes, right, But it's a worthy pursuit because
once you feel free, you have a shift in perspective,
You experience life in a different way, and then you

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stop looking for a relationship to come in and complete it.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Come on, right.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
So when I hear you say free, what I hear
is residue, the residue from the past, the residue from
anxiety for a different future, the residue that comes from
by passing the present, disappointed by what happened in the past,
and hopeful that something different will come along. Do you

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see the residue? I see.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
But the type of freedom that I'm speaking of is
I'm free to evolve. I am up to me, yes,
and you are up to you. Oh yes, yes, I'm
free to evolve. I don't have to check in with
you for my evolution. I don't have to run that

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past you, and that as I evolve, it gives you
the space to do, feel, and be what you need
to do.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Your evolution is not being micromanaged.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
And it's not connected to your your.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Your evolution period. Come on, we in here now. We
got calls on the line. Let's get him in here
right now, right now, right now. Fred Deico from Los Angeles, Man,
what are your thoughts on tonight's topic.

Speaker 16 (46:57):
I mean, it's a great conversion, but I think that sorry,
uh well, I think it's remember when you said we
attract and people don't like that idea of attracting.

Speaker 11 (47:11):
Yes, I believe.

Speaker 16 (47:13):
I believe that. Really that's what how we have to
really perceive it, perceive it is. We don't attract, we reflect.
We can only reflect, and that's.

Speaker 17 (47:23):
The actual, the actual.

Speaker 16 (47:25):
What's happening is we reflecting, not attracting, when we're able
to not just create, because creation is manifestation and the
will to make it into form.

Speaker 17 (47:34):
Right like it?

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yes, yes, keep going. You're cooking, brother, you cook and
come on for the record, let's go.

Speaker 16 (47:39):
So so that's why I'm saying people don't like that
idea of like, oh, we attracting, yeah, because that's only
half of the part of creation. If you you want
to attract, you don't create, You just wish it. You're
not making it into actual. You know in your life,
you don't you don't experience it you don't have it
doesn't afform right, That's all I want to say. What
you said that concent because it's actually the.

Speaker 9 (48:04):
Have to shift that you have to shift down. You
said weet, we respect.

Speaker 16 (48:08):
We're doing a trap.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I love it, brother, I love it. Guess what you
just did, my friend? You brought Los Angeles in the building.
If you want to bring your city in the building,
all you got to do is call me A one
nine twenty fifteen eighty Frederico was cooking. I mean it
was semantics, but we love it.

Speaker 16 (48:26):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Come on, give it to us. Hey, I love it.
It's good stuff. Let's keep these callers coming. Who's up?
Who's up? Who's DeShawn from Georgia? Deshaon from the Great
State of Georgia. What are your thoughts on tonight's topic?
No cursing, Deshon?

Speaker 14 (48:46):
No?

Speaker 9 (48:47):
Okay, I guess, I guess.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
All right now, I got all right? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 14 (48:51):
Bro?

Speaker 9 (48:53):
Okay? My I mean my thoughts for you, I mean,
honestly your thought But Ben, watch you along. I want
to do this real quick. I don't watch you since
she was fifty fifty shows whatever, but uh, and I
love I love your prospect on everything, but I just
want to hear you think about our baby mama.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Here we go here that.

Speaker 9 (49:23):
Come on, long story short, let me just say, uh,
you know how iPhone worked to day to day. So
my my baby mama has my uh my phone. Son,
I don't know about these phones today. I'm born in
eighty eighty nine, so i don't know how I phone work.

(49:44):
I'm real quick. I'm trying to do this though, but
listen to her quick. So she got she she has
my my my old phone, and my old phone has
my ye cloud. She went through all my girlfriend's message
and me and my girlfriend miss chees on my girl whatever.
But she went through all those men. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I fucked up. You did it, you did it. There
you go. Now you gotta go. He gotta go, he
gotta go. You gotta go.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
See he was going when it started with baby Mama said, though.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
See listen, when you start getting good, like when when
you start cooking, when your message start to hit home,
when you start to save souls and change lives, the
devil shows up. Now. We told him, We warned him
in the beginning. We said, no cursing. You know what
he does. He cursed, he gonna come in here with

(50:36):
that guttural, ghetto ratchet relationship talk. Don't you know it's
four hundred thousand podcasts out there that do that kind
of service. Man, this is the herald and bells of
relationship talk. He done came in here with the Windy's dollar.

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The men you talk, we don't do that up in here.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Come on, let's get these callers in here. Let's keep
them coming. Let's keep them coming. Sean Oakland, California. What
are your thoughts on tonight's topic, Sean, Sean, are you there,
Sean Shawn, Yeah, yes, all right, all right, yes, we
got you, brother. What are your thoughts on tonight's topic?

Speaker 17 (51:23):
Yeah, So, my thing is I've been in a relationship,
married thirty three years, together thirty eight And my thing
is I grew up mostly Methodist, Baptist, and then the
Catholic schools all recruiting me for sports. Right, so you

(51:47):
can see the cynical thing of religious going about. I
am spiritual. Andy said that. I think that's the best
way to, you know, characterize me godd as the universe.
But my thing is with the people that are empowered,
now they are not respecting Jesus at all. Jesus said

(52:12):
nothing about abortions. Jesus said nothing about transgender or gay people.
And by the way, he said, welcome the stranger. I
read the book. And by the way, I recommend the
people that are totally addocating their duty as a human

(52:34):
being to you know, be real Christians, to actually read
the older New Testament, because if you do, you'll understand
that you've been fool So I'm just saying that because
of a relationship honestly and truth and being a good person,

(52:55):
it's gonna matter a lot more if you want a
long relationship being a fake Christian man.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
You came in and just you had a whole different
topic gay. But you know what, guess But that's my brother.
He can come in here and say what he needed
to say. He came in and said, hold on, hold on,
it's a different kind of Christianity being taught out here nowadays.
And he said, wait a minute, I don't like what
it is. This ain't familiar to me. I get you.

(53:26):
I get you, Sean.

Speaker 11 (53:28):
I trying, brother, because I want your children. I want
my children grandchildren. When I leave this earth, I want
it to be a good place for them to have
a quality of life.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
That's right, that's right. That's why your word is welcome
here Sean, guess what you just did. Brother, You already
know what it is town business. He brought Oakland in
the house. If you want to bring your city in
the building. You know the protocol, the number of dollars
one eight hundred nine twenty fifteen eighty. When we come forward.
You want to go to Hawaiian, let's get it.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
Would you say to.

Speaker 18 (54:02):
People, will I have faith? You know that Jesus was this,
and he meant this and he did that. What would
your interpretation be? What is your insight into that?

Speaker 14 (54:13):
Faith? I would say, for the most part, is another
word for belief. You believe that this is the way
it is. Well, my stance on belief is real clear.
Belief is mostly a part of the problem.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
You see.

Speaker 14 (54:26):
Faith is not open minded skepticism. Faith says I can't
stand to be skeptical about it.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I need to know.

Speaker 14 (54:32):
So I'm going to have faith that it's this way.
That's the same thing.

Speaker 8 (54:35):
I'm going to have it.

Speaker 14 (54:36):
I believe that it's this way. Well, as soon as
you believe that it's that way, now, you're no longer
open minded because you've already come to the conclusion of
the way it is. If you're not open minded, then
you can't You're not going to learn anything new. Just
painted yourself in a corner with your belief.

Speaker 18 (54:52):
Sure, there's a lot of good people out there though
that say, my faith has saved me, my faith is
giving me strength, my faith will get me through this.

Speaker 17 (55:01):
And I see that as.

Speaker 9 (55:06):
Fine.

Speaker 18 (55:07):
If that is, If that is, you know where that
person is and how to how to cope with things.
I don't see anything particularly wrong with it.

Speaker 14 (55:16):
Well the thing is wrong with it, It isn't there
anything personally wrong with it. People have beliefs and they'll
tell you that their their beliefs, their religion, their dogma
gets them through. Their beliefs and things get them through.
And that's fine, it does you know that's not inaccurate.
People can cling to beliefs and those beliefs can help

(55:39):
them get through. But it's limiting, you see, it's not
the it's not the best way to live your life.
It's not the way that's going to maximize your opportunities
for growth. It's a limited way, all right. We can
have a belief let's say we believe something that's nice.
We believe that it's good to love other people. We
believe that it's a good thing to do to care

(56:01):
about others. Okay, we believe that we should always be
nice and helpful to other people. It's just a belief.
That's a very civilizing belief. It's good and people can say, well,
I had this horrible thing happen to me, but I
had this strong belief that really what it's about is
loving and caring about others. So I made it through.

(56:23):
And yes, that's true, and that belief helped them get through,
But it's still a belief. How much better would it
be if, instead of having the belief, they had the
understanding that being kind and being good is the fundamental
purpose of our being here.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
You see.

Speaker 14 (56:41):
Now that's also civilizing, but it's for a different reason.
Now you actually understand, yes, the big picture of what's
going on in your place in it and how you fit.
It's not just the idea of I believe, so I'll
do this both. You know, both may end up in
the same actions, but they're not coming from the same intent.

(57:02):
The one that has just a belief now may not
be able to get past that belief. They may get
to a point where the right thing to do is
to knock some heads together. The right thing to do
is to stop some kind of terrible action, you see,
But they can't do that because they believe you should
always be nice. So, okay, here's somebody. They're going around

(57:23):
doing awful things and they have an opportunity to stop them,
but they don't because that wouldn't be nice. They have
to be nice all the time, because that's a belief,
you see. Whereas you have the understanding, you know that
there are times when you need to stand up and fight.
There are times when you need to butt in and
say no, no more of this. There are times when

(57:44):
you need to protect. So that's like the idea of
being the pacifist. There are times when turning the cheek
the other cheek is the right thing to do. There
are times when it's not the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
You have to not have this, this.

Speaker 14 (58:01):
Kind of small idea that has run out of a belief,
because that belief isn't going to fit all the situations.
Believes very specific and it's a piece of the pie,
and it can be a very helpful piece if you
believe nice things as opposed to I believe that I
should take whatever I want and give as little as

(58:22):
I can for it. See, that's a belief of using others,
abusing others as.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Would be that belief.

Speaker 14 (58:28):
That's what that's the way the world works. You got
to look out for number one, take as much as
you can get and give as little back as.

Speaker 19 (58:35):
You You had some very interesting comments about that. He said, psychologically,
for all intents and purposes, your God is the highest
value that you have. It serves functionally as your deity.
Now you may not clothe it in personified in a
personified manner, although you tend to because you tend to
act it out and assume that other people should too.

(58:57):
So it implicitly has a personified form. But if it
performs all the functions of a deity, let's say, then
it's importantly related in some sense to a deity. And
I think that that's actually technically true if you look
at how human cognitive structure work.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I don't think it's escapable.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
A doctor Jordan Peterson, A lot of people don't like him.
Sean don't like him for sure. Sean thinks he's a
you know, a bad man. He's a man, but he'd
be dropping some jewels, and you know, I'll listen to
the jewel, you know me, if that has meaning, I

(59:44):
will tap in. Tonight has been a very powerful conversation
because this silence. How many people are in relationship with
their significant other, leaning on them to be there everything,
having that partner's stand in the gap of the silence
of their parent, while also still feeling insulated and isolated

(01:00:07):
from their partner because of the silence they feel from
God or they project or sense right from God. Right,
the anxiety is so loud that they can't hear the
silent voice of God. That's an interesting place to be.

(01:00:28):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
It is?

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
But I don't want to judge because it's really not
about right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
It's not religion. That's what I'm trying to tell folkus.
It's not religion, it's not dogma. But how do you
get to that place where you quiet down enough.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
It's usually from people experiencing so much pain and so
much frustration that they just it kind of renders them
steal or or shuts them down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
The kind of disassociate this is there you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Go disassociating, and in that you become still enough. Huh,
pain can Pain is a teacher. It's a useful tool.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
But we live in such a toxic world. You know
what people are doing now. They think they're being spiritual
by detaching, And I was explaining detachment is toxic. It's
non attachment where you're still present, you're just not attached
to the outcome that your desire dictates. You're present, you're

(01:01:40):
watching this process unfold. But we live in a society
that's about getting what you want to such a degree
that I think it's more addictive than opioids.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Love is a hell of a drug.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
It is a drug.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
It's a hell of a drus. But you know, also
people think that like the avoidant attached person, the person
who avoids closeness, they crave it more than the anxious attached.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
They do, but they hide it, they obfuscate it, They
plague game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Safety equals pain, love equals pain, Affection equals pain. If
I can associate you closely with something that like the
mother or then you're a danger sign for me. So
they avoid it, but they end up meeting a super

(01:02:32):
hymn path along the path and that wakes up that
or a portion of meeting it well to me that
you meet it in yourself deeply right, but experiencing it
and sometimes through the loss of that or the experience
or introduction to that, they learn that there is more.
So the pain is how you get there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
You cook it. You cook it. John Mountain View, Hawaii,
get in here. What are your thoughts on tonight topic?

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
My friend, Greetings and blessings to those within the sound
of my voice, Master teacher. One more again, beloved guests,
Greetings and blessings.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Master teacher too. Now come on, let's give it up.

Speaker 8 (01:03:19):
Well well, okay, Master teacher, beloved, honored, uh I could give.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
My brother.

Speaker 8 (01:03:29):
Precious beloved, but nonetheless, let me say quickly, is it
divine fumbling or is it an absolute assign?

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Say that again?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Please? Is it a divine fumbling or is it an
absolute what.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Assignment?

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Assign?

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yes, it's a divine one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Yeah, it's an assignment all your all your pain that
you experience should you process it. It's transformative. So you know,
Zoe's playing the advocate here. I trying to put it
in there, but it there. That fumble is intentional. You know,

(01:04:15):
if you wanted to experience no pain, you would have
stayed a soul, you wouldn't have incarnated into this experience.
So it's it's necessary and it's as signments.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
To play Kate on the same things that Zoe does
for the show, but also give it back to or.
I'm reminded of the Bible where the worst relationship that
I could remember had something to do with jose and Gomer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Mmm, keep going, because jose.

Speaker 8 (01:04:49):
The prophet who was ordered by God to marry Gomer
a prostitute. So could this also be not just the
divine assignment? Because again, the assignment was given to Joseiah
because of the disobedience of God's people. Now you need

(01:05:10):
to understand. Now, let's take that deeper, because how many
times have we the child inwardly wanted to chase after
the human being.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
You are.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
And you happen to be your own prostitute.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
You you waited all that time to smack us in
the mouth like that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:39):
Huh, well, no, sir, But again, these were the journey,
These were the journeys I had to take. Oh, I
love that was this was the message that was given
to me. So when I finally got to embrace my
little Meedia as I call him, but he's my hero.

(01:06:01):
He's the one who stood up for me when I
was when I was keeping silent and I know I
needed to smack somebody in the face.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
I was.

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
That was the angry little guy that protected me all
those times from danger seen and unseen, those many battlefields
I stood on. He was the voice that said, hold on,
hold on this, remember again, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
This reminds of what you were.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Saying, what Nicole was explaining about the orri the higher self. Right,
there's levels to the self. You experience the self in parts.
That's the way it's supposed to be. You don't just
come in and know everything. Otherwise, what's the point. The

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lower self or the protector wants to fight, but the
higher self knows that you don't have. When you tag
your ancestors in, when you tag the spirit in, that's
the dog in the fight. You know, when people come

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against me or do things to hurt me, the first
thing I do for them. You know what it is,
I pray for you. Right, So it's a safety mechanism
when we fight for ourselves, when we defend ourselves. But eventually,

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if you continue to submit, you grow, you stop fighting.
You allow the spirit to fight for you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Oh no, this is deep, This is deep. Let me
just say this. A lot of people might look at
this conversation be like, it's a little bit sacrilegious. Rite,
it's a little bit sacrilegious because you're saying God is
an absentee parent, right, because you know many people feel

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this way anyway, So I'm addressing how many people feel.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
Yes, but would you argue, and this is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
The John gilbreath and precious, would you argue that Jesus
was probably the most advanced spiritual being to touch the
ground according to what we know, According to what we
know in terms of the stories told about Jesus the
book for the Christians, Jesus is the top of the top,

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right in terms of evolution spiritually got to give Jesus that,
according to Christianity. According to Christianity, So if that's the case,
why did even Jesus feel abandoned by God? Eli lemma
sebecthny My God, My God, why have thou forsaken me? So,

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even Jesus as evolved as Jesus, what Jesus is God's son?
According to that book, even he had a where he
felt like he had an absentee parent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
In God.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Now we can do all type of Exejesus and all
types of hermeneutics and different types of explaining and everything.
But even Jesus had a moment where he felt that way,
do you see? So I just think sometimes it's okay
to be like that, to feel like as necessary somebody's

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not here or I need somebody to step in. Hey, John,
guess what you just did. My good friend.

Speaker 8 (01:09:32):
Mountain View is in the house. But if I could
just say, we.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Up against this clock, man, and I know, sir, I know, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
But even Jesus leaned on the Holy Spirit because that's
exactly what was needed during the timeframe.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
He felt, I'll take it man, when we come forward, Man,
I want to land the plane. But we had Nikki.
Where did Nikki go? Nikki get back on the line
so we could get you in here for this final thought.
Let's do it. And gentlemen, you're listening to my brother
Joseph Liinberg his new album Mystic Journey like that. This

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is Little Church, which is a remake Miles's record. This
is a Miles Davis remake Little Church. Miles played a
big role in the development of Joseph's sound, you listen
to this spiritual jazz that he's like really into, right,

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and people don't associate him with the works that he's
already done, like you ain't got a lie to kick
it by Kendrick Lamar or how much a dollar cost
by Kendrick Lamar. Joseph Liinberg produced those records, so you know,
you know by trade he's a trumpeter, he's but he's
also a producer and has been in a hip hop

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scene for many, many years. And he just released that album,
Mystic Journey. As a matter of fact, is there a
track on Mystic Journey called Al Mustafa? Listen? And this

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is no disrespect to say Andre three thousand, because Dre
actually hangs out in Eagle Rock with Joe at his
studio and they work together.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
But this is what.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
The adult version of Andrea's album is supposed to sound like.
And Andrea is a young artist. Just listen to this
real quick. This is this is Joseph actually voicing this.
I want you guys to here.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
This is called to pass. Al Mustafa had to depart
to carry his majestic hema of the story of life
to other lines, go to time in turn again, his
believers knew a big good launching, and although his body
would be traveling far far, ever so far away, his

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soul would be made with them forever, and they'll remember always.
All litle stuff the believed would have.

Speaker 20 (01:12:19):
To come on, man, hey, man, let that beats it
for a second. Come on, hey, the voice of reason.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
This don't infit it, don't infit this conversation. Come on
four or five, three am, going about ninety miles an hour.
Come on, I want to thank my special guest, Precious

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mcgil of her her spirit is so right, she comes in,
she sets the whole vibe right, man, I just dang it, Precious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
You know you got to come back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
And I know these are difficult topics, right, and not
just for people. They don't want to hear anything that
is negative or what they perceive to be negative about God.
And it's not a negative God conversation. It's saying, maybe
God is using silence right as a language that we

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don't understand. Maybe faith is a component to that silence, right,
like trust the message is coming through the silence. Maybe
that's it. Uh, That's why we called it a pedagogy.
It's an instruction, a tool to learn. But people struggle

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and I'm with continuing different variations and iterations of this conversation.
If you are, are you ready?

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
I'm ready?

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Come on? Where do they find you? Where do they
follow you? Tell them? Tell them? Tell them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
With Precious dot com is my landing page. You can
get in touch with me there. You could also see
me on phenomenal change dot com. You can message me
and box me. Yeah, that's the best.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Way, man. I love everybody for tapping in. Listen, we
got one more show for the week. That's tomorrow. We'll
be back with another powerful feminine, spiritual voice in one
of my gods. Sisters are coming in you know p
I d miss Pakoya doctor pay. She'll be back and

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then we'll be cooking up another topic. I appreciate it.
We start the conversations, it's up to you to finish them.
The v o R be back up in here tomorrow