November 5, 2025 • 73 mins
It proposes that the human psyche functions as a holographic microcosm of the cosmos—each person a localized expression of the same fundamental awareness that animates all existence. Just as every fragment of a hologram contains the pattern of the whole image, each human being carries the complete blueprint of wholeness within them, even when trauma, conditioning, or egoic distortion obscures that pattern. From this perspective, psychological fragmentation—the unhealed wounds, dissociated memories, and defensive identities we carry—is not a permanent flaw but a phase distortion within the holographic field of consciousness. These distortions create what appear to be isolated “pocket realities” or wound-based worlds: self-reinforcing loops of perception where the nervous system, seeking safety, limits awareness to familiar pain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And what if all these things are the byproduct of
you staying in the illusion of the small self, which
is an illusion. Play with the idea, even if you've
lived it your whole life, it doesn't mean it's not
an illusion. You're staying within the small boundaries of what
you needed to do to not feel that trauma again.
But what if you're finally going to become what you
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actually are like?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Play with that?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And what if we really explore oneness together and find
that your triggers about someone else, your desire for things
to be different you are fixing is all a symptom
of the real problem, which is you think you are
the separate self. And the more we do this work,
the more we get evidence of it. And the reason
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meditation can start out really painful is because it has
to slowly show you that what you thought you were
was a lie. Meditation has to show you right off
the bat, it has to actually star. It doesn't even
need to show you, it just starts pushing it out.
So you feel this pain. It feels like death because
meditation is getting rid of you. It's getting rid of
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what you thought you were. It's getting rid of what
you thought you were and that's way harder then. But actually,
I'm gonna say that again, it's very easy. But it's
more painful than someone who's just transcending an alcohol addiction
or a heroin addiction, because even though those are major
chemical dependencies, that's not the identity nearly as much as
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literally everything you've ever known. Like you might think, on
one level, I was an alcoholic and now I'm stopping it.
But on another level to go, I was Kyle Sees
the separate self who was a stand up comedian and
then a transformational speaker. I have this type of relationship.
I have these eating habits, I have this thing, I
have this thing, I have this thing I'm and you're
this person and you're this ethnicity and you're this story
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and you're this financial thing. Right, that is not true.
It's more and more as I meditate. It holds space
for all that is, and it holds space for what
every human being is feeling, and it holds space for
the pain that's being suffered by people in other countries.
It's holding space for the pain that people you know
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that are underdogs in the world are going through. But
it also holds space for the pain and people that
are not considered underdogs. I feel the same empathy for
a very successful person or people that have a lot
of power. I feel a lot of empathy for everybody
because suffering is suffering, and it exists, but it exists
through our lens of our smallness. It exists through our separation.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's why it's there.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And we have become this bizarre clusterfuck of people who
grabbed each other and you can't grab each other. It's
it's it's you can a little bit, but it's you
might notice it's breaking up. Remember the old days, Like
it used to be one side and another side, but
now there's subsides and subsides and smaller groups breaking into
smaller groups, grabbing each other in smaller and smaller patches. Right,
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even your friend man, that.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Was Kyle Cease Number one. I didn't know Kyle Cease
was a comedian at one point because nothing he said
was funny, not a bit of it was comical. Oh
but he sets up today's topic perfectly. He sets it
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up flawlessly. Listen, So I have several inspirations for tonight's topic.
Number one, Doctor Joshanna Johnson. We follow each other on
Instagram and she posted, you know something on em d R.
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I think that's the correct Yes, em d R. She
posted something about that and how that kind of that
practice takes you back to childhood, these wounds, these moments
of injustice, psycho spiritual injustice that happened in childhood. You
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hear me talk about this and reference this a lot
on the show, and she talks about how that form
of therapy will take you back, You'll get to experience
it and then reframe it. I thought it was amazing
and I was like, wow, we gotta, you know, we
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gotta talk about this. And then as I was putting
the topic together, one of my friends, music producer, music manager,
you know, we're sitting, we're talking, and then he starts
to talk about how people are you know, and I
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think we did a topic on this before, too. Weaponizing
the words of therapy, right, therapeutic terms, they're weaponizing it.
And we were having this discussion about how there's a
distinct difference in getting all the words down and actually embodying,
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you know, the help a therapist can provide. And it's
not much different, you know, that idea, that concept is
not much different than a lot of religious folk who
know the Bible backwards and forward, but do not embody Christ,
the consciousness of Christ, the Spirit of Christ, spirit of
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the Holy Ghost. Stephen Like, they don't embody it. They
know how to speak it though. And I remember we
did a topic on therapy speak and you know they
know all the nuances. They've read Levine's book Attached. You know,
they've read all of these books so that they can
create intellectualizations or intellectual justifications for staying the same. And
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Kyle Cease articulated it perfectly. Listen, meditation, if you're really
doing it right, is bringing it all up? You say,
what is it?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Though?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
All of it? You have to understand the defense mechanisms
that we created in childhood, that survival mode that got
us from moment to moment, and then at some point
we integrated those defense mechanisms into our ident our sense
of self, and then they started to co write our
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expectations for relationships. So, Zoe Williams, tonight, we're going to
go deep deep. Tonight's topic pocket Universes, the fragment itself
in the age of infinite communication and connection. Boy, when
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I tell you I got something lined up for y'all,
because I want to introduce an entirely different concept. But
before I get to the concept, let me tell you
about tonight's topic, right, Quantum, I don't even want to
give that away yet. If the universe itself is a hologram,
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as many suppose that it is, then every wound is
not a flaw in reality, but a ripple in its light.
Quantum individuation proposes that what we call healing is not
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the mending of broken pieces, but the realignment of distorted
frequencies within the grand holographic field of being. Each self,
each partner, each relationship is a fractal lens refracting the
same infinite image, the whole, the divine hole, seeking to
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remember itself through the mirror of difference. Now, in Michael M.
Talbot's work, his book called The Holographic Universe, it reveals
that every fragment carries the blue print of the entire cosmos.
In my own book, The Holographic Relationship, it extends this
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idea to intimacy. Every conflict between you and I is
the cosmos arguing with its own reflection. Trauma, in this view,
is informational noise interference in the wave pattern of consciousness. Yes,
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it creates perceptual distortions that trick awareness into believing the
mirror is broken. Here, EMDR eye movement to sensitization and
reprocessing becomes the neurological technology of remembrance. By rhythmically stimulating
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bilateral hemispheres, EMDR mimics the oscillatory symmetry of the holographic field. Right,
each sycatic movement synchronizes neuro circuits, rebinding fragments of memory
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into a coherent image. Clinically, this restores integration within the
nervous system. Metaphysically, it reenacts the universe own drive towards coherence.
The therapist's attuned presence becomes the stabilizing wave that rephases
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dissonant frequencies back into resonance. This is what EMDR does.
Takes you back to the past safely without rewounding. Right,
you can't jump into a relationship. And it happens. So
me and my home boy, we're in the lounge arguing
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about the work. The work isn't easy, right, The work
is not for the faint of heart. And it led
me to this radical idea of quantum individuation. Carl Jung
thought of individuation on an individual level. You have to
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become a whole you. And I always say, if you're
not engaged in the work, it's gonna spill out in
the relationship. What work, self work, self observation without judgment,
self love, self empathy, right, self understanding, self awareness. If
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you're not engaged in the work. And I'm naming, I'm
naming names, right, I'm saying things. But it's beyond the words.
I don't want you to just memorize the words. I
want you to understand that this is the work. To
be able to deal with the unwonted parts of yourself
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who the wound told you you were. That's the work.
And it's not about memorizing you know what somebody said
in a book. It's actually about doing this work right.
Quantum individuation takes it deeper. It's not just me and
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my shadow and my mask. We've all come together and
I'm one whole person. Quantum individuation takes individuation to a wider,
broader spectrum. Even Carl Jung talked about the social shadow,
the shadow of the country, the shadow of society. Even
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he talked about it, I'm taking it further. Do you
understand quantum individuation therefore transcends pathology. It invites us to
see every tear, every rupture, every panic as light bent
by history, not evidence of failure, but proof that the
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hologram still contains the whole. This reminds me of Isaiah
forty five to seven. In that particular scripture, God is
basically saying, I'm all of it, light, dark, good, evil, bad, calamity,
all of it. He claims it as his own. He's wholeness.
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It is hallness. Do you see right? The hologram, Every
fractal in the hologram contains the whole. So my idea,
of course, quantum individuation. When you become whole the entire
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universe you experience, the entire reality you experience becomes the
whole for you. When perception clears, the self, the beloved,
and the relationship stand revealed as one radiant continuity of awareness.
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At that instant, there is no longer you or I.
There's only consciousness remembering its own perfect symmetry, the e
md R of the soul, blinking itself back into wholeness.
So when I tell you this is what relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is for.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Y'all, say nyes for Netflix and chill, and who made
the potato sal When I come forward, the voice of
reason will give you the definitive definition of quantum individuation.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What do you mean by that? Renduar, it's not to
only one. You should experience it. If you say one,
it might be two.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
He come yeva ad.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Brahma is only one, not to only one?
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Rendo, he come yev a.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You walk a day? Then do you call it went
to day? When it is? When you say you all,
it may be even multiplicity.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It is rendocrate twenty work a day.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
God is only one, and not to even jeta because
the world is feeling pro because of outer ways.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Bow is to not we go by the names and
forms Kant.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Truly speaking, God is one with one name and one fall.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I hear you say, Baba. He's talking about the oneness
of God, the oneness of reality. So even at the
spiritual levels, at the religious levels, right, even in the
Christian Bible it says it's only one. Oh yeah, it's
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only one, right, only one. The Muslims follow suit, it's
only one. So how is it that we can be
fragmented we don't recognize the one in ourselves? Right, individuation
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says you become a whole complete person. But many of
us claim to be in love, but really we are
in pieces searching for peace. That's really just quiet. Oh
this person gotta come in and make things. He gotta
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make sure I'm safe. I have to feel a sense
of safety. That's because you're disorganized internally, you're fragmented. Yeah,
we talk about this work, right, let's get this work.
Nobody wants to put in the work. They want to
show up as they are, be accepted in fragments and
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be loved to the hilt. Fragments create conditions. Oh man,
we're gonna really get into it. I have so much
lined up for you for tonight's topic. We're talking about
the work when I come forward, more music, more insights
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and callers or on the way.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
So is there a typical arc to the work that
you're doing with somebody, Peter, either you or a somatic
experience trained person. When somebody comes in and is having
similar experiences, they know that something has happened, or they
have a sense of a long number of somethings that
have happened. They know that it's attached to some kind
of an experience that they're having right now that they're
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having a hard time working with or getting some distance from,
and they want to feel better. Is there a kind
of pathway that's typical for the workers? Are just completely individual?
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Both there are, you know, but it is individual, and
that's important actually, because every person is different. You know,
you sort of alluded to this. When I work with people,
even though this may have to do with past events
or even generational ancestral effect, I work in the here
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and now, so we may reflect on some of these
and says and images, but it's in the present time,
and so it's important before you excavate this kind of work,
it's really essential that the person be able to have
at least some modicum ability capacity to be in the
here and now to be present. Otherwise you can just
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this can just result in regression, and you know, regression
is generally not helpful. So working in the here and now,
reflecting perhaps well certainly on sensations and feelings and images,
and looking at memories when they do come up, and
work with them to complete some of those incomplete responses
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and then welcome them back when we're able to look
at some of these events that may have occurred both
positive and negative. The idea is not to at the memory,
but really it's to be able to come sufficiently into
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the hearing now, so you're not sucked into the vortex
of trauma, to the black hole of trauma. You're able
to have a distance and mindfulness. Training can be useful
also as an important part to develop those capacities, those skills,
and they are skills.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So that's the clip is Forced Hansen with doctor Peter Levine.
And of course they're talking about the work right Listen,
we got to stop pimping words like the work God love. Yeah,
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we're pimping the words out. We got them on the
stroll because yes, we can articulate them, but do we
embody those words? You see, I'm telling you the intimate
relationship space is not a safe haven where you can
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hide from this process. It will manifest itself over time
as conflict. You think conflict has no I'm tired of
the lessons. I'm tired of relationships being They're hard because
you've been running from yourself and psychology is progressively getting
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more spiritual. Hell, where do you think Carl Jung get
these ideas from? Jung got them from the likes of
Christianna Murti, whom he visited with whom he sat with
during his talks. But you might need the clinical side,
go to the SAP th G s AP dot org
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dot UK Society of Analytical Psychology. Jung in analytical psychology
sees the self as many things, including psychic structure, developmental process,
transcendental postulate, right, effective experience, and archetype. It has been
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depicted as the totality of body and mind, the God image,
the experience of overpowering feelings, the union of opposites, and
a dynamic force which pilots the individual on his or
her journey through life. This latter idea is quintessentially youngion,
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for even though other psychoanalysts have talked about the self
in a similar way, Freudan psychoanalysts analysis still largely sees
the self as a structure within the mind, similar to
an object representation, and not as a theological agency. Individuation
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describes how this agency works. Young saw it as a
process of self realization, the discovery and experience of meaning
and purpose in life, the means by which one finds
one's self becomes who one really is. You can't find
yourself wholly in a relationship. The relationship just mirrors the
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fragmented parts of yourself back to you. So what do
we do? We get clever, We start building boundaries based
on defense mechanisms. Oh, I don't like this. You can't
show up like that. You can't disturb my piece. Your
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peace is being disturbed because you haven't done the damn work.
Carl Jung talked about the social or the societal shadow.
Zoe Williams is taking it a step further with my
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quantum holographic individuation model. What is quantum individuation, hmm, let's
talk about it. Individuation is the art and science of
becoming a coherent expression of the whole, healing the distortions
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of trauma, so that the self, the relationship, and the cosmos,
the reality resonates as one continuous field of consciousness. See,
we get into our little cubbyhole of self. It's just
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us against the world. We're healed, and we fight for that.
I'm telling you you're not finished healing. Healing is an
ongoing process, but if we're taking it to a quantum level,
we are reconstructing not only the psychic but the realities
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in which we live. If the universe itself is a hologram,
then every wound is not a flaw in reality, but
a ripple in its light. Quantum individuation proposes that when
we or what we call healing is not the mending
of broken pieces, but the realignment of distorted frequencies within
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the grand holographic field of being. Every spiritual practice religious
practice on planet Earth talks about getting back to that level.
Christ said it for those who believe on me, I
give you the power to do even greater things than I. Right,
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and relationship can be a conduit to this understanding, But
we're using relationship as a damn playground, right, a funhouse.
You're not healed, like Roquel Hopkinson. You're not healed. If
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you're constantly in peace maintenance. You're constantly trying to maintain
your peace. That's not healed. That is functional surviving, that
is running. I need somebody that won't disturb, disrupt, upset. Right,
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these walls I've built around my wounds, that's not healing.
We're talking about doing work tonight, right, and the phone
lines are quiet. I know why they say, Well, we're
gonna listen to Zoe tonight. No, we're not calling in. No,
not the kid. I'm not for to get exposed. No,
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not the kid. But you want the love of your life.
You don't even accept all of you when I come forward.
If you think I'm gonna take my foot off the gas,
you'd be wrong.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
It starts from what I was saying about. We don't
have the vocabulary to describe abstract things. We don't have
a vocabulary of the words or even the thoughts to
describe consciousness.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
What is it?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Where is it? Well, it's nowhere, doesn't have any extent,
There isn't distance there. Well, how does it work? How
does it pass information? Right? You're you're looking for details
that really aren't important. You just have to understand its
function and how it works and let the rest go,
because what you're doing is trying to take that abstraction
and turn it into something concrete, and that's wrong. This
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virtual reality is what we see is concrete, and we
want it to be like this virtual reality with peace
parts that we can assemble and take them apart and
lay them out on a bench so we can see
how all the details work. But it's not like that
at all. We're talking about a thing that's alive and
conscious and aware, and it doesn't have an extent. It
doesn't have to pass data around. It just not well,
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everything has to pass data around, well only if it
has extent. Extent doesn't have to be there, it's just consciousness.
Stop trying to look at all the piece parts and
try to understand what it is and how you relate
to it, and it relates to you. That's what's important.
One of the key points that people have to understand
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is they're trying to wrap their heads around this, is
that this isn't something that you can just get intellectually.
If it's not your experience, it can't be your truth.
So you may read about it and you may think, oh,
that sounds true, and I can see how all that works.
But if it's not your truth, if you haven't experienced it,
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it's somebody else's truth. It's the truth of the guy
who wrote the book. But it's not your truth. You
have to experience it, and you are limited by your experience.
If you get things, if data comes to you and
it's outside of your experience, you don't know how to
interpret it. Now you can make up a story about
it and say, oh, well it's like this and like this,
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But that's just a story you make up and then
you can believe the story. And that's what most people do.
They make up stories and then they believe them. But
understanding that if it's not your if it's not your experience,
then it's not going to help you grow up.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Hey man, listen, I've been trying to put you all
onto a lot of giants. That's one right now there
Thomas Campbell, right man. That was a clip with him
and Andre Duckham and Thomas Campbell, the author of My
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Big Toe, and he was trying to describe consciousness. Sounds
a lot like how religious folk describe God, immeasurable, infinite,
beyond comprehension. Listen, what is the purpose of this damn show?
To get you to realize that relationships are far more
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than what Disney taught us, far more than what you
patterned in your childhood. It is an extension of self realization.
And so many people don't want to go there. They
want to stay in familiar pain. Wait, wait, wait, hold on,
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familiar pain though, yeah, it's not as painful when you
know it. It's familiar. It's oh, I know what this is?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
People would rather be with familiar pain, right familiar toxicity,
than with unfamiliar healing, with unfamiliar health, they'd rather believe
the fairy tale. Zoe is here to deconstruct all of that.
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We get entertained. We listen to stories about people's failures,
about people's hurt, and because it's familiar to us, we
resonate with it. I'm not here to resonate with you.
I'm here to detonate you, the old you. Right with
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the framework we've constructed thus far, could it be safe
to say that unhealed wounds perpetuate fragmentation within a holographic
conscious field. If that's the case from the perspective of
unhealed wounds, could that lens itself create pocket realities or
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dimensions that we live in without our knowledge. You've heard
of rose colored glasses. Try wounded colored glasses, right. This
raises the potential of expanding our awareness of unconditional love.
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So many people love ain't real, love ain't enough. That's
because you got own wound shades. That's because you prioritize loyalty,
because you've been abandoned. I need to be able to
trust you. That's because you couldn't trust your Mama, I
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know I'm saying it in a way that that is triggering. Yes,
I get it. One A eight hundred ninet twenty fifteen eighty.
This is why we don't get to unconditional love. This
is why unconditional love sounds impractical. How many times you
hear people say, oh, I'm logical. See, when it comes
to relationships, you gotta be logical, you know, you gotta
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you know, you gotta make sure you know who somebody is.
And the only way to do that is through time.
You gotta sit down, you gotta study and watch everything
they doing because they can switch.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Up on you.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You see, that's coming from fear, that's coming from pain.
Where did that come from? Initially? Right, the question is
do we live in a wound based, isolated and insulated
reality which is based on our unhealed selves? An ego?
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Say it againzo to the people in the back, Do
the majority of us right live in a wound base,
isolated and insulated reality based on our unhealed selves? Slash ego?
If we pull up the work of Robert Anton Wilson
in his book Prometheus Rising, what did he talk about?
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He framed it? He called it reality tunnels, is not
someone who has PTSD or CPTSD living in a reality tunnel.
When Babet Rothschild talks about how the body remembers trauma, right,
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you were bit by a dog years ago. You see
a dog today on the street, it takes you back
to the moment you were bit as a child. Your
body is in that moment. Do you see unhealed psycho
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spiritual wounds as fractures within the holographic field of infinite consciousness?
And we think we're going to find somebody that's gonna
make us safe. The only safety we got comes from
our own hands when we come forward. If you think
I'm done, you'd be wrong.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
That there must be unity of mankind, because that's the
only way we will survive physically, biologically.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Not divisions.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
The Europeans, the Americans, the Russians, the Hindus and saw
not divisions, the complete total unity of mankind. And politics
and politicians are not going to solve that problem. Ever,
on the contrary, they will maintain the division.
Speaker 10 (36:00):
It's very profitable.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
So as that is an important and central necessity of existence,
that there must be unity of all mankind, and that
cannot be brought about through legislation through bureaucratic dog mercy
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or rules, and all the rest of it. So when
you observe all this as a human being living in
chaos in a world that has almost gone mad, the armaments,
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the selling of them for profit, killing people in the
name of ideas and truth for God, and all the
rest of it. Observing seeing all this all over the world,
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what is a human being to do and what for?
So I think it becomes very important to find out,
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to discover for oneself if one is at all serious,
and one must be serious in life, otherwise one does
not really live at all. It is only a very
very serious man, which doesn't mean he has no laughter,
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no smile. That seriousness which demands a total commitment to
the whole issue of life.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
No stop, right there, a total commitment to the whole
issue of life. Listen. With the advent of technology, yes,
it has made our lives very convenient yet, but there
are costs for that convenience. Right before the iPhone, before
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cell phones exploded, we all remembered phone numbers. We had
phone numbers in our mind. That part of our brain
what is it doing today? Right? Well, what is that
part of your brain doing? Today. Right, do you see?
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We live in a time of massive connectivity, yet at
the same time and paradoxically, we are more insulated and
isolated from each other than ever before. This digital narcissism
becomes normal for how we interact with people. That isolation
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and insulation has led to ghosting, has led to people
not wanting to build relationships anymore. We just want to
pass through, pass through relationships. I'm passing through DC. You
don't understand the work of source, the work of God.
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God created relationships so you could deal with yourself. How
else could you see you? How else could you see
what you need to work on? KBLA is not playing
now the voice of reason, k This is progression right here.
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I'm telling you five to ten years from now, psychology
is going to become more spiritual. It's going to go
back to its original roots. Right, they're already integrating these
concepts mindfulness. Right, they're already integrating some of these concepts.
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This is what relationship is for. If consciousness is a
unified holographic field, right field, where every point containing the
informational pattern of the whole, then trauma introduces local interference
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in the field. What did Einstein say about the field
around every particle. There's a field, and he says that
every particle is dictated to by the field around it.
Do you see your life is dictated by the field
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of trauma? In many cases? Do you see trauma introduces
itself right? As a local interference pattern in the field.
An unhealed wound functions functions like a phase distortion. The
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same light still shines through, but its wavefront bends. Clinically,
we see this as cognitive bias, disassociation, or defensive looping. Metaphysically,
it manifest as partial perception of reality. It is obfuscated
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by the wound. So guess what, everybody gotta show up
the way your wound demands. Zoe's here to challenge you
on that. The relationship is the university. The person continues
to broadcast and receive information, but only through the fragments
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of frequency.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
The mind then makes mistakes that filtered perception for the
entire landscape of existence. The smaller your reality, the more
convinced you are that you know everything. That's Thomas Campbell
my big toe, right, you should get that book. Let's
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go even deeper into this holographic principle, tiny positive or
negative increments and the quality of your over many thousands
of choices eventually lead to either an increasing or decreasing
of consciousness quality. Thomas Campbell My Big Toe. We're living
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in wounded pocket realities looking for people to match that.
This is why the majority of our relationships are mere reenactments,
pocket realities, and wound based dimensions. From this standpoint, each
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unintegrated complex becomes a micro hologram, a self contained pocket reality.
This is how I see the world, and guess how
we've manifested that, We've manifested that into This is my truth.
No one's gonna besmirch or marginalize or minimize my truth. No,
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I'm a mirror the fact that your truth isn't truth.
It is a wound based reality that warps and distorts
what is actually real. Christiannamurti called it the what is nah.
Your reality is warped by the what was.
Speaker 11 (44:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Trauma is a time machine that only travels to the past.
It's a one way travel back to the past what happened,
and it manifests itself in the now as it ain't
gonna happen again. Do you see every fragment of the
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hologram still projects the full image. This is a fact.
These pockets feel complete, self validating. In daily life, they
appear as repetitive relationship patterns, confirmation bias, or identity fortresses. Right,
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I always attract the same kind of people. The world
is unsafe. Neurobiologically speaking, these realities are sustained by the
limbic system's predictive coding. The brain keeps replaying familiar patterns
to maintain coherence. You're calling it love, you're calling it connection.
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I found my boo, my bay. If you're comfortable, you're
not growing. If you're always in a state of peace,
you're not being challenged, you're not expanding. You're ignoring source
in you, because source in you is discovering itself in others.
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Even if it hurts, right, either way, it's gonna hurt.
You stay in your familiar pain, or you expand and
you stretch to the point where it hurts. But you're growing.
Do you see again? The brain keeps replaying familiar patterns
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to maintain coherence, even if the coherence is painful. Spiritually,
they resemble dimensional partitions, private universes orbiting inside the greater
field of love insulated by fear and misinterpretation. The ego
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is the architect of this isolation. The Saint listen, no
disrespect to you know all the other relationship dudes out
there talk no, no disrespect to none of them. I
love them all, I appreciate them all. Keep doing the work,
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brothers and sisters. But this is different. Everybody want to
be a It sound good if I hear it from
a woman. It might sound better if Zoel was a woman,
because then it would come across a little different. No,
I'm on purpose, and this is not supposed to feel good.
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Do you understand? Healing is not a trip to the
day's spot. Everybody want their relationship to be at we Spa, downtown, downtown.
Let's go to we Spa, you know, Korea Town, going
over there, get rubbed on, lay on some hot rocks.
Every relationship ain't like It's not supposed to be like that.
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Or I had good parents, Well I got to go
through something. Maybe you got some generational debt to deal with. Wow, man,
that's a that's make believes off. Okay, don't believe me.
Go to the clinician. Mariel Bouquet. She from the Islands,
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educated at Columbia. Go get her book about the transference
of intergenerational trauma. Maybe you maybe you got the right
parents this time, but you still got the old wounds
from last time. And that's why you're getting a mirror
reflecting this work back to you. You thought, because you
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was raised in a two parent household that everything was perfect. Nah,
the work must happen. We gotta call her on the line.
Let's get them in here. John from Mountain View, Hawaii, Man,
what are your thoughts on tonight's discussion?
Speaker 11 (49:01):
My friend, I thought the system already made this song.
Don't disturb this.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Group, don't disturb this groove.
Speaker 11 (49:17):
Come on, I mean, granted, yes, I get it. Our
lives are in the past. Everything that we have in
our memory, that we use as words is something of
our experience. But I recall being a grown man with
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gray hair, not a baby, going through teething, and even
the child itself had enough capacity one because we couldn't
speak its language, to go through it. And it went
through fever, and it went through suffering, and it became
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what it became, as we all know, is grown people.
Once again, you cannot forget your past, but your past
is supposed to be your capacity for your future. How
tough are you?
Speaker 7 (50:20):
Now?
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Come on, I'm listening.
Speaker 11 (50:24):
Yeah, ladies and gentlemen of the Jursey, if it wasn't
for the simplicity of life, you wouldn't know the complication.
So let's go back. So let's go back to the
thing that we know the most. Again. You don't save
money unless you leave it alone, but you feel poor
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while doing.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
So, Come on, saving is the inverse of consumption. Keep going.
I'm listening.
Speaker 11 (50:54):
If you're trying to remember something as simple as a
number of someone that you love, let them. Let that
person be in hell and you I guarantee you remember
the number.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Ooh, you're gonna remember that number sixty six seven, nine seven,
fourteen seventy four. I got the call them. Come on.
Speaker 11 (51:15):
But nonetheless, again, I recall even speaking to my own
mother over simplicities of And I know I've heard it
many times in this show. You talk about what you're
gonna do with your family member who's sitting before you. Yeah,
y'all can go eat, y'all can go see this, y'all
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can go see that. But what about just being man?
Speaker 3 (51:39):
I appreciate that, brother, I appreciate that. I appreciate you
calling in man. Guess what you just.
Speaker 11 (51:45):
Did now views in the house, blessing Saul.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
We love you, John, thank you.
Speaker 11 (51:53):
Love you, love y'all more. But if the Senate don't
do something about themselves, I'm gonna go get it.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yes, sir, all away from Hawaii. We appreciate the call.
When we come forward, we going back to the farm lines.
Speaker 10 (52:06):
What if life itself was never the beginning or the end,
but the space in between. In the Tibetan tradition, this
space is called the bardo, a state of transition where
reality and illusion meet. We think the Bardo comes after death,
but the truth is we've been walking through it since birth.
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Every inhale and exhale, every change and loss, every decision
and awakening is another threshold. Life is the training ground
for death, and death is the mirror of how we lived.
The goal isn't to survive what comes after, it's to
awaken while we're here. The Bardo Thurdl, the Tibetan Book
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of the Dead, was never meant for the dead. Its
real title means liberation through hearing in the intermediate state.
Padma Sambaba the lotus born master wrote it to be
read to the living, so that consciousness could recognize itself
inside the dream. What the world mistook for funeral text
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was a guide for awakening. Every moment of confusion, every
burst of clarity, every fall into illusion is part of
the same map. The living who understand it stop dying
a thousand small deaths each day. Tibetans taught that when
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you die, visions of deities, peaceful and wrathful arise from
your mind. But if those deities are projections, then so
is everything you see right now. The people who anger you,
the ones who heal you, the fears that haunt you,
all reflections of the same inner field. The wrathful gods
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are your rage, the peaceful ones your compassion. Recognize them
as yourself, and you're free. Every relationship, every challenge, every
sunrise is a lucid dream lesson waking. Life is the
Bardo in disguise. We're taught that the afterlife is uncertain
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and this world is solid. Yet the sages discover the opposite.
What we call real life is a rehearsal, a flickering
dream of impermanence. In meditation, monks dissolve the body, watch
time vanish and find only awareness remaining. Death is not
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an ending, but a continuation of the same illusion. Forgetfulness
is the true death. Every morning we wake up and
forget who we are. Every night we die into dreams
and forget where we've been. The path is remembering. There
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are six bardos mapping every level of consciousness. The bardou
of life, dream, meditation, dying, Darmata, and becoming. They're not sequential,
They're simultaneous. Right now you stand in the bar dou
of life, but in sleep you enter dream, in meditation, Darmata,
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in transformation, becoming. You travel these realms each day without noticing.
The masters realized that every breath is a portal, every
heart beat a rebirth. To awaken in one bardo is
to illuminate them all. Every mystic echoes the same truth.
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Die before you die, and you'll never die again. To
die be or death means to release the illusion of eye.
The ego fears death because it believes it ends. Awareness
knows it only changes form.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
And I thought, here these unnumbered states of consciousness. You
can number them. You can like in each state to
an egg, and every state remains just at the egg
until fertilized. And the presence that fertilizes the egg is
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simply our consciousness. We must be in it to activate it,
to animate it. You put this very moment, single out
any state, and by the use of your imagination, imagine
that you're in it. You'd be in it. Think this
very moment of your living room or any room in
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your house. Take an object, a familiar object in your room,
and bring it as close as you can if it's
really here. But then you can't be here in this room.
As you're becoming intense about it, concentrated on it, you
are really where you are imagining yourself to be. For
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men being all imagination, he must be where he is
in imagination. But what have I done there? I've fertilized it.
I've actually made it real, and in a way that
I do not know I am going to go there,
But now you will say, naturally, I'm going to go
there today. It's my home. I use that only to
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illustrate a point. You could take any place, no matter
where it is, any part of the world. If you
did the same thing you eat that you would now
do to your home, you will find yourself compelled to
move across a bridge of incident leading up to the
fulfillment of that state. You don't devise the means. But
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there's so many little facets to this wonderful art of imagining.
I'll tell you one to show you the danger. But
if one wants one thing above all things in this
world and they're wanting to sacrifice their moral ethical code,
in fact every code, it also works. That's why I
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warn you in my last book, I can only acclaimt
to you with the law and leave you to your choice.
And it's risk, and I mean risk.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Very interesting stuff that was never gartered, never goddard, very
very good stuff. This topic is deep, and I know
it is. I know it's layered and nuanced, but they're
designed to be that way. Emd R. It's a form
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of therapy that gets you to go back. It's a
technology that allows you to remember. But you remember. Big
Mammy used to say, there's nothing new under the sun.
There was a meditation practice many many many years ago
(59:25):
that was created by a man by the name of
gorg Jeff. Gorg Jeff created a practice known as self remembering,
and it achieved some of the same things that E. M.
D R achieves today. If you have time, you should
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look it up by gorgeoff right if you need, I
guess help spelling gorge if it is not just an
easy name g U R D J I E F
F gorgeff and of course that's the last name. But
I want I don't want to give you all of
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the information. I kind of just I want you to
go on a just you know, on this discovery to
find out the information. But gorgeaff he talked at length
right and developed an entire uh practice called self remembering.
Why is it important? Man, do we even know why
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we're self evasive? Listen to how I frame that self
evasive and what kind of havoc that might wreak upon
our intimate relationships? Very important stuff. Let me get Sean
in here too. Sean from Oakland, California, what are your
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thoughts on tonight's top pick? My friend?
Speaker 12 (01:01:02):
Well, brother, I mean, regarding the topic, it's very broad
in my mind. I'll tell you what. The young folks,
because I'm older, they talk about the vibe. They talk
about the vibe, and I'll tell you what, man, it's
really important that we respect that as older guys, well
(01:01:25):
at least I'm an older guy. I know you're like twenty,
I'm jokes. I know, I know, I know, I know
I'm making a joke, but I'm saying, man, the vibe
of the moment. You have to appreciate what these kids
are doing. That you have to appreciate it because you
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may not understand it right as an older guy, but
the vibe really does matter. It matters, and you should
embrace it. And when you don't agree with that, tell
them and they appreciate that. They appreciate when you say,
(01:02:08):
you know, I don't like what this area of your
vibe is going. But it's all about communication, right. But
I like the fact the young kids are going in
this direction because the vibe matters. Because if you have
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a negative vibe in your house, as if you're married
or in a relationship or anything like that, it matters.
It does matter. And so if you understand that the
vibe I'm saying it so many times because it matters,
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you know, you might be able to resuscitate your relationship.
You might be able to keep your relationship together. And
that's key. You know that we keep these relationships solid
and that we're working towards a team, and we're working
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towards you know the klimate goal, which is the team.
Speaker 9 (01:03:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Let me just say this, I approve of your message.
My friend Sean from Oakland, California. Guess what you just did,
brother man.
Speaker 12 (01:03:31):
Oakland. Then the house, but also the world.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yes, we appreciate town business in the building. When we
come forward, Zoe Williams is going to begin to land
this plane.
Speaker 13 (01:03:41):
The most powerful thing you'll need is that capacity to
let go, because you're going to run into tests that
are really quite powerful. It's don't worry any what you think,
because as you move ahead, that which is made uncomfortable
or displaced against the get annoyed that you're moving out
of that domain, ring their domain. When you start getting
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the challenges. I'm not going to allow myself to fall
into the pit being so linked to something that if
it leaves, I will then go into grief out of
Lovingness now takes the form of an attitude towards yourself
and your own life and those around you.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
You're trying.
Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
We got to bring that back. Lovingness is now now
takes on the attitude of loving yourself and those way.
That's doctor David R. Hawkins, the author of man Power
Versus Force, among many other books, but I need you
to really lock in to what he's saying. Run it again. Andy.
Speaker 13 (01:04:43):
The most powerful thing you'll need is that capacity let go,
because you're going to run into tests that are really
quite powerful. Don't any what you think, because as you
move ahead, that which is made uncomfortable or displayed against
to get annoyed that your mo even out of that
domain and threatening their domain when you start getting the challenges,
(01:05:04):
I'm not going to allow myself to fall into the
pit of being so linked to something that if it
leaves I will then go into grief out of compassion.
Lovingness now takes the form of an attitude towards yourself
and your own life and those around you. It finally
reaches the point where it's willing to let anything go
that stands.
Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
In the way.
Speaker 13 (01:05:25):
But you may think it's the small things that we're
letting go of. We say, well, I let go of
my favorite sneakers, and it seems trivial. Oh No, the
capacity to surrender your sneakers is going to be one
of the last things right for enlightened.
Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Man. Doctor David R. Hawkins, incredible author, great work. Listen.
I know this topic tonight was dense, but it's important.
They're all important. Many of us have the wrong idea
about what it means to connect.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
First off, we don't need to connect. We're all connected, right,
we don't need to connect. We just need to remember
that we are all connected. And then secondarily, there's work
to be done so we can clear away the obstruction
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to clear sight. The past has had all of us
in a chokehold for too long. Listen to what we're
saying here tonight. The egos prime directive is continuity, not
the truth. It stabilizes identity by confining awareness within these
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wound based dimensions. Right, each defense narrative, I must control
to stay safe. I'm somebody that gotta be in control. Right,
this becomes the gravity well of a personal universe. Listen
(01:07:14):
to that, I must control everything in order to stay safe.
I am unworthy of love. These terms become gravity wells.
If you know anything about the mechanics of a black hole,
you'll understand what a gravity well is. But they become
gravity wells of a personal universe. To step beyond it
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feels like alienation, alienation of what the ego. If you're
studying any of the ancient spiritual practices, self realization is
the annihilation of the ego. The ego is about the
continuity of self. And if the ego, the identity was
built off of toxicity, brokenness.
Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
Right, it's not gonna want to let go of the
familiar pain, do you see?
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Like I said, to step beyond. It feels like alienation
because the ego equates dissolution of its boundary with death.
Yet from the holographic perspective that we've covered all night,
that death is merely decoherence, collapse of a local illusion
(01:08:35):
back into the unified field EMDR and the re merging
of dimensions. Right, the therapeutic process right, Processes like EMDR
work precisely by resynchronizing these pocket realities with the master
(01:08:59):
frequency of the field. Bilateral stimulation induces hemispheric coherence, dissolving
the energetic wall that keeps traumatic material in isolation, as
the oscillations restore rhythm, memory, emotion, and body sensation regenerate
(01:09:24):
the local hologram re phases with the universal image? What
is the universal image? Christ said it, I and my
father are one. Christ said it, Let all your eyes
become one. Right, that's what they're talking about, And the
universal image we are so caught up on who we
(01:09:48):
think we are and who our wounds have made us
believe we are, that relationships become unnecessarily problematic. Right. What
appears clinically as trauma resolution is, in holographic language, dimensional
(01:10:16):
realignment the return of a lost photon to the lattice
of unconditional awareness. Tonight's topic was deep, and it's supposed
to be deep. But we're here to expand love's bandwidth.
(01:10:38):
When the wounds distortion clears, perception widens, the nervous system
stops filtering for danger and begins resonating with possibility. Right.
Anthropologically speaking, this expansion resembles what initiation rights once achieved
the individuals reintegration into the tribe of the cosmos. Love,
(01:11:06):
once constrained to the scale of personal need, listen, Love,
once constrained to the scale of personal need, now functions
as a field property, a spontaneous recognition of sameness within
(01:11:27):
illusory difference. In this state, unconditional no longer describes an emotion,
but a perceptual bandwidth in which everything is seen as
belonging to the same light. Do you know why so
easy to hurt each other?
Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Because we don't feel the pain we inflict. In that moment,
we feel separate from them, and it only takes reflection
for it to anigo. Oh wow, I did hurt them. DC.
Most human beings right inhibit wound based self reinforcing pocket
(01:12:19):
realities psychological micro dimensions generated by unintegrated trauma and maintained
by egoic inertia. Within those pockets, awareness contracts and love
appears scarce or conditional. Healing, whether through emdr mindfulness, somatic integration,
(01:12:46):
or deep relational presence, is the act of rephasing those
localized holograms with the total field. Each moment of integration collapses.
This is a false dimension back into the hole, increasing
the system's overall coherence. You ain't got to believe a
(01:13:09):
word I said tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
You ain't.
Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
You ain't got to believe it. My job is to
start the conversation. It's your job to finish it. I
bet we all have a different view of relationship tonight.
And that's the purpose of the voice of reason. When
I come forward, it'll be tomorrow, and I'll have an
entirely new slapper to hit you upside the dome with.
Let's get it
And what if all these things are the byproduct of
you staying in the illusion of the small self, which
is an illusion. Play with the idea, even if you've
lived it your whole life, it doesn't mean it's not
an illusion. You're staying within the small boundaries of what
you needed to do to not feel that trauma again.
But what if you're finally going to become what you
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actually are like?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Play with that?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And what if we really explore oneness together and find
that your triggers about someone else, your desire for things
to be different you are fixing is all a symptom
of the real problem, which is you think you are
the separate self. And the more we do this work,
the more we get evidence of it. And the reason
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meditation can start out really painful is because it has
to slowly show you that what you thought you were
was a lie. Meditation has to show you right off
the bat, it has to actually star. It doesn't even
need to show you, it just starts pushing it out.
So you feel this pain. It feels like death because
meditation is getting rid of you. It's getting rid of
(01:10):
what you thought you were. It's getting rid of what
you thought you were and that's way harder then. But actually,
I'm gonna say that again, it's very easy. But it's
more painful than someone who's just transcending an alcohol addiction
or a heroin addiction, because even though those are major
chemical dependencies, that's not the identity nearly as much as
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literally everything you've ever known. Like you might think, on
one level, I was an alcoholic and now I'm stopping it.
But on another level to go, I was Kyle Sees
the separate self who was a stand up comedian and
then a transformational speaker. I have this type of relationship.
I have these eating habits, I have this thing, I
have this thing, I have this thing I'm and you're
this person and you're this ethnicity and you're this story
(01:57):
and you're this financial thing. Right, that is not true.
It's more and more as I meditate. It holds space
for all that is, and it holds space for what
every human being is feeling, and it holds space for
the pain that's being suffered by people in other countries.
It's holding space for the pain that people you know
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that are underdogs in the world are going through. But
it also holds space for the pain and people that
are not considered underdogs. I feel the same empathy for
a very successful person or people that have a lot
of power. I feel a lot of empathy for everybody
because suffering is suffering, and it exists, but it exists
through our lens of our smallness. It exists through our separation.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's why it's there.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And we have become this bizarre clusterfuck of people who
grabbed each other and you can't grab each other. It's
it's it's you can a little bit, but it's you
might notice it's breaking up. Remember the old days, Like
it used to be one side and another side, but
now there's subsides and subsides and smaller groups breaking into
smaller groups, grabbing each other in smaller and smaller patches. Right,
(03:09):
even your friend man, that.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Was Kyle Cease Number one. I didn't know Kyle Cease
was a comedian at one point because nothing he said
was funny, not a bit of it was comical. Oh
but he sets up today's topic perfectly. He sets it
(03:39):
up flawlessly. Listen, So I have several inspirations for tonight's topic.
Number one, Doctor Joshanna Johnson. We follow each other on
Instagram and she posted, you know something on em d R.
(04:09):
I think that's the correct Yes, em d R. She
posted something about that and how that kind of that
practice takes you back to childhood, these wounds, these moments
of injustice, psycho spiritual injustice that happened in childhood. You
(04:31):
hear me talk about this and reference this a lot
on the show, and she talks about how that form
of therapy will take you back, You'll get to experience
it and then reframe it. I thought it was amazing
and I was like, wow, we gotta, you know, we
(04:53):
gotta talk about this. And then as I was putting
the topic together, one of my friends, music producer, music manager,
you know, we're sitting, we're talking, and then he starts
to talk about how people are you know, and I
(05:14):
think we did a topic on this before, too. Weaponizing
the words of therapy, right, therapeutic terms, they're weaponizing it.
And we were having this discussion about how there's a
distinct difference in getting all the words down and actually embodying,
(05:37):
you know, the help a therapist can provide. And it's
not much different, you know, that idea, that concept is
not much different than a lot of religious folk who
know the Bible backwards and forward, but do not embody Christ,
the consciousness of Christ, the Spirit of Christ, spirit of
(06:00):
the Holy Ghost. Stephen Like, they don't embody it. They
know how to speak it though. And I remember we
did a topic on therapy speak and you know they
know all the nuances. They've read Levine's book Attached. You know,
they've read all of these books so that they can
create intellectualizations or intellectual justifications for staying the same. And
(06:28):
Kyle Cease articulated it perfectly. Listen, meditation, if you're really
doing it right, is bringing it all up? You say,
what is it?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Though?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
All of it? You have to understand the defense mechanisms
that we created in childhood, that survival mode that got
us from moment to moment, and then at some point
we integrated those defense mechanisms into our ident our sense
of self, and then they started to co write our
(07:04):
expectations for relationships. So, Zoe Williams, tonight, we're going to
go deep deep. Tonight's topic pocket Universes, the fragment itself
in the age of infinite communication and connection. Boy, when
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I tell you I got something lined up for y'all,
because I want to introduce an entirely different concept. But
before I get to the concept, let me tell you
about tonight's topic, right, Quantum, I don't even want to
give that away yet. If the universe itself is a hologram,
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as many suppose that it is, then every wound is
not a flaw in reality, but a ripple in its light.
Quantum individuation proposes that what we call healing is not
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the mending of broken pieces, but the realignment of distorted
frequencies within the grand holographic field of being. Each self,
each partner, each relationship is a fractal lens refracting the
same infinite image, the whole, the divine hole, seeking to
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remember itself through the mirror of difference. Now, in Michael M.
Talbot's work, his book called The Holographic Universe, it reveals
that every fragment carries the blue print of the entire cosmos.
In my own book, The Holographic Relationship, it extends this
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idea to intimacy. Every conflict between you and I is
the cosmos arguing with its own reflection. Trauma, in this view,
is informational noise interference in the wave pattern of consciousness. Yes,
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it creates perceptual distortions that trick awareness into believing the
mirror is broken. Here, EMDR eye movement to sensitization and
reprocessing becomes the neurological technology of remembrance. By rhythmically stimulating
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bilateral hemispheres, EMDR mimics the oscillatory symmetry of the holographic field. Right,
each sycatic movement synchronizes neuro circuits, rebinding fragments of memory
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into a coherent image. Clinically, this restores integration within the
nervous system. Metaphysically, it reenacts the universe own drive towards coherence.
The therapist's attuned presence becomes the stabilizing wave that rephases
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dissonant frequencies back into resonance. This is what EMDR does.
Takes you back to the past safely without rewounding. Right,
you can't jump into a relationship. And it happens. So
me and my home boy, we're in the lounge arguing
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about the work. The work isn't easy, right, The work
is not for the faint of heart. And it led
me to this radical idea of quantum individuation. Carl Jung
thought of individuation on an individual level. You have to
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become a whole you. And I always say, if you're
not engaged in the work, it's gonna spill out in
the relationship. What work, self work, self observation without judgment,
self love, self empathy, right, self understanding, self awareness. If
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you're not engaged in the work. And I'm naming, I'm
naming names, right, I'm saying things. But it's beyond the words.
I don't want you to just memorize the words. I
want you to understand that this is the work. To
be able to deal with the unwonted parts of yourself
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who the wound told you you were. That's the work.
And it's not about memorizing you know what somebody said
in a book. It's actually about doing this work right.
Quantum individuation takes it deeper. It's not just me and
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my shadow and my mask. We've all come together and
I'm one whole person. Quantum individuation takes individuation to a wider,
broader spectrum. Even Carl Jung talked about the social shadow,
the shadow of the country, the shadow of society. Even
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he talked about it, I'm taking it further. Do you
understand quantum individuation therefore transcends pathology. It invites us to
see every tear, every rupture, every panic as light bent
by history, not evidence of failure, but proof that the
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hologram still contains the whole. This reminds me of Isaiah
forty five to seven. In that particular scripture, God is
basically saying, I'm all of it, light, dark, good, evil, bad, calamity,
all of it. He claims it as his own. He's wholeness.
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It is hallness. Do you see right? The hologram, Every
fractal in the hologram contains the whole. So my idea,
of course, quantum individuation. When you become whole the entire
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universe you experience, the entire reality you experience becomes the
whole for you. When perception clears, the self, the beloved,
and the relationship stand revealed as one radiant continuity of awareness.
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At that instant, there is no longer you or I.
There's only consciousness remembering its own perfect symmetry, the e
md R of the soul, blinking itself back into wholeness.
So when I tell you this is what relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is for.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Y'all, say nyes for Netflix and chill, and who made
the potato sal When I come forward, the voice of
reason will give you the definitive definition of quantum individuation.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What do you mean by that? Renduar, it's not to
only one. You should experience it. If you say one,
it might be two.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
He come yeva ad.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Brahma is only one, not to only one?
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Rendo, he come yev a.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You walk a day? Then do you call it went
to day? When it is? When you say you all,
it may be even multiplicity.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It is rendocrate twenty work a day.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
God is only one, and not to even jeta because
the world is feeling pro because of outer ways.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Bow is to not we go by the names and
forms Kant.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Truly speaking, God is one with one name and one fall.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I hear you say, Baba. He's talking about the oneness
of God, the oneness of reality. So even at the
spiritual levels, at the religious levels, right, even in the
Christian Bible it says it's only one. Oh yeah, it's
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only one, right, only one. The Muslims follow suit, it's
only one. So how is it that we can be
fragmented we don't recognize the one in ourselves? Right, individuation
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says you become a whole complete person. But many of
us claim to be in love, but really we are
in pieces searching for peace. That's really just quiet. Oh
this person gotta come in and make things. He gotta
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make sure I'm safe. I have to feel a sense
of safety. That's because you're disorganized internally, you're fragmented. Yeah,
we talk about this work, right, let's get this work.
Nobody wants to put in the work. They want to
show up as they are, be accepted in fragments and
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be loved to the hilt. Fragments create conditions. Oh man,
we're gonna really get into it. I have so much
lined up for you for tonight's topic. We're talking about
the work when I come forward, more music, more insights
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and callers or on the way.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
So is there a typical arc to the work that
you're doing with somebody, Peter, either you or a somatic
experience trained person. When somebody comes in and is having
similar experiences, they know that something has happened, or they
have a sense of a long number of somethings that
have happened. They know that it's attached to some kind
of an experience that they're having right now that they're
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having a hard time working with or getting some distance from,
and they want to feel better. Is there a kind
of pathway that's typical for the workers? Are just completely individual?
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Both there are, you know, but it is individual, and
that's important actually, because every person is different. You know,
you sort of alluded to this. When I work with people,
even though this may have to do with past events
or even generational ancestral effect, I work in the here
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and now, so we may reflect on some of these
and says and images, but it's in the present time,
and so it's important before you excavate this kind of work,
it's really essential that the person be able to have
at least some modicum ability capacity to be in the
here and now to be present. Otherwise you can just
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this can just result in regression, and you know, regression
is generally not helpful. So working in the here and now,
reflecting perhaps well certainly on sensations and feelings and images,
and looking at memories when they do come up, and
work with them to complete some of those incomplete responses
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and then welcome them back when we're able to look
at some of these events that may have occurred both
positive and negative. The idea is not to at the memory,
but really it's to be able to come sufficiently into
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the hearing now, so you're not sucked into the vortex
of trauma, to the black hole of trauma. You're able
to have a distance and mindfulness. Training can be useful
also as an important part to develop those capacities, those skills,
and they are skills.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So that's the clip is Forced Hansen with doctor Peter Levine.
And of course they're talking about the work right Listen,
we got to stop pimping words like the work God love. Yeah,
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we're pimping the words out. We got them on the
stroll because yes, we can articulate them, but do we
embody those words? You see, I'm telling you the intimate
relationship space is not a safe haven where you can
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hide from this process. It will manifest itself over time
as conflict. You think conflict has no I'm tired of
the lessons. I'm tired of relationships being They're hard because
you've been running from yourself and psychology is progressively getting
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more spiritual. Hell, where do you think Carl Jung get
these ideas from? Jung got them from the likes of
Christianna Murti, whom he visited with whom he sat with
during his talks. But you might need the clinical side,
go to the SAP th G s AP dot org
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dot UK Society of Analytical Psychology. Jung in analytical psychology
sees the self as many things, including psychic structure, developmental process,
transcendental postulate, right, effective experience, and archetype. It has been
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depicted as the totality of body and mind, the God image,
the experience of overpowering feelings, the union of opposites, and
a dynamic force which pilots the individual on his or
her journey through life. This latter idea is quintessentially youngion,
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for even though other psychoanalysts have talked about the self
in a similar way, Freudan psychoanalysts analysis still largely sees
the self as a structure within the mind, similar to
an object representation, and not as a theological agency. Individuation
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describes how this agency works. Young saw it as a
process of self realization, the discovery and experience of meaning
and purpose in life, the means by which one finds
one's self becomes who one really is. You can't find
yourself wholly in a relationship. The relationship just mirrors the
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fragmented parts of yourself back to you. So what do
we do? We get clever, We start building boundaries based
on defense mechanisms. Oh, I don't like this. You can't
show up like that. You can't disturb my piece. Your
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peace is being disturbed because you haven't done the damn work.
Carl Jung talked about the social or the societal shadow.
Zoe Williams is taking it a step further with my
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quantum holographic individuation model. What is quantum individuation, hmm, let's
talk about it. Individuation is the art and science of
becoming a coherent expression of the whole, healing the distortions
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of trauma, so that the self, the relationship, and the cosmos,
the reality resonates as one continuous field of consciousness. See,
we get into our little cubbyhole of self. It's just
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us against the world. We're healed, and we fight for that.
I'm telling you you're not finished healing. Healing is an
ongoing process, but if we're taking it to a quantum level,
we are reconstructing not only the psychic but the realities
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in which we live. If the universe itself is a hologram,
then every wound is not a flaw in reality, but
a ripple in its light. Quantum individuation proposes that when
we or what we call healing is not the mending
of broken pieces, but the realignment of distorted frequencies within
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the grand holographic field of being. Every spiritual practice religious
practice on planet Earth talks about getting back to that level.
Christ said it for those who believe on me, I
give you the power to do even greater things than I. Right,
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and relationship can be a conduit to this understanding, But
we're using relationship as a damn playground, right, a funhouse.
You're not healed, like Roquel Hopkinson. You're not healed. If
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you're constantly in peace maintenance. You're constantly trying to maintain
your peace. That's not healed. That is functional surviving, that
is running. I need somebody that won't disturb, disrupt, upset. Right,
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these walls I've built around my wounds, that's not healing.
We're talking about doing work tonight, right, and the phone
lines are quiet. I know why they say, Well, we're
gonna listen to Zoe tonight. No, we're not calling in. No,
not the kid. I'm not for to get exposed. No,
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not the kid. But you want the love of your life.
You don't even accept all of you when I come forward.
If you think I'm gonna take my foot off the gas,
you'd be wrong.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
It starts from what I was saying about. We don't
have the vocabulary to describe abstract things. We don't have
a vocabulary of the words or even the thoughts to
describe consciousness.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
What is it?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Where is it? Well, it's nowhere, doesn't have any extent,
There isn't distance there. Well, how does it work? How
does it pass information? Right? You're you're looking for details
that really aren't important. You just have to understand its
function and how it works and let the rest go,
because what you're doing is trying to take that abstraction
and turn it into something concrete, and that's wrong. This
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virtual reality is what we see is concrete, and we
want it to be like this virtual reality with peace
parts that we can assemble and take them apart and
lay them out on a bench so we can see
how all the details work. But it's not like that
at all. We're talking about a thing that's alive and
conscious and aware, and it doesn't have an extent. It
doesn't have to pass data around. It just not well,
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everything has to pass data around, well only if it
has extent. Extent doesn't have to be there, it's just consciousness.
Stop trying to look at all the piece parts and
try to understand what it is and how you relate
to it, and it relates to you. That's what's important.
One of the key points that people have to understand
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is they're trying to wrap their heads around this, is
that this isn't something that you can just get intellectually.
If it's not your experience, it can't be your truth.
So you may read about it and you may think, oh,
that sounds true, and I can see how all that works.
But if it's not your truth, if you haven't experienced it,
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it's somebody else's truth. It's the truth of the guy
who wrote the book. But it's not your truth. You
have to experience it, and you are limited by your experience.
If you get things, if data comes to you and
it's outside of your experience, you don't know how to
interpret it. Now you can make up a story about
it and say, oh, well it's like this and like this,
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But that's just a story you make up and then
you can believe the story. And that's what most people do.
They make up stories and then they believe them. But
understanding that if it's not your if it's not your experience,
then it's not going to help you grow up.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Hey man, listen, I've been trying to put you all
onto a lot of giants. That's one right now there
Thomas Campbell, right man. That was a clip with him
and Andre Duckham and Thomas Campbell, the author of My
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Big Toe, and he was trying to describe consciousness. Sounds
a lot like how religious folk describe God, immeasurable, infinite,
beyond comprehension. Listen, what is the purpose of this damn show?
To get you to realize that relationships are far more
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than what Disney taught us, far more than what you
patterned in your childhood. It is an extension of self realization.
And so many people don't want to go there. They
want to stay in familiar pain. Wait, wait, wait, hold on,
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familiar pain though, yeah, it's not as painful when you
know it. It's familiar. It's oh, I know what this is?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
People would rather be with familiar pain, right familiar toxicity,
than with unfamiliar healing, with unfamiliar health, they'd rather believe
the fairy tale. Zoe is here to deconstruct all of that.
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We get entertained. We listen to stories about people's failures,
about people's hurt, and because it's familiar to us, we
resonate with it. I'm not here to resonate with you.
I'm here to detonate you, the old you. Right with
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the framework we've constructed thus far, could it be safe
to say that unhealed wounds perpetuate fragmentation within a holographic
conscious field. If that's the case from the perspective of
unhealed wounds, could that lens itself create pocket realities or
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dimensions that we live in without our knowledge. You've heard
of rose colored glasses. Try wounded colored glasses, right. This
raises the potential of expanding our awareness of unconditional love.
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So many people love ain't real, love ain't enough. That's
because you got own wound shades. That's because you prioritize loyalty,
because you've been abandoned. I need to be able to
trust you. That's because you couldn't trust your Mama, I
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know I'm saying it in a way that that is triggering. Yes,
I get it. One A eight hundred ninet twenty fifteen eighty.
This is why we don't get to unconditional love. This
is why unconditional love sounds impractical. How many times you
hear people say, oh, I'm logical. See, when it comes
to relationships, you gotta be logical, you know, you gotta
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you know, you gotta make sure you know who somebody is.
And the only way to do that is through time.
You gotta sit down, you gotta study and watch everything
they doing because they can switch.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Up on you.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You see, that's coming from fear, that's coming from pain.
Where did that come from? Initially? Right, the question is
do we live in a wound based, isolated and insulated
reality which is based on our unhealed selves? An ego?
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Say it againzo to the people in the back, Do
the majority of us right live in a wound base,
isolated and insulated reality based on our unhealed selves? Slash ego?
If we pull up the work of Robert Anton Wilson
in his book Prometheus Rising, what did he talk about?
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He framed it? He called it reality tunnels, is not
someone who has PTSD or CPTSD living in a reality tunnel.
When Babet Rothschild talks about how the body remembers trauma, right,
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you were bit by a dog years ago. You see
a dog today on the street, it takes you back
to the moment you were bit as a child. Your
body is in that moment. Do you see unhealed psycho
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spiritual wounds as fractures within the holographic field of infinite consciousness?
And we think we're going to find somebody that's gonna
make us safe. The only safety we got comes from
our own hands when we come forward. If you think
I'm done, you'd be wrong.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
That there must be unity of mankind, because that's the
only way we will survive physically, biologically.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Not divisions.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
The Europeans, the Americans, the Russians, the Hindus and saw
not divisions, the complete total unity of mankind. And politics
and politicians are not going to solve that problem. Ever,
on the contrary, they will maintain the division.
Speaker 10 (36:00):
It's very profitable.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
So as that is an important and central necessity of existence,
that there must be unity of all mankind, and that
cannot be brought about through legislation through bureaucratic dog mercy
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or rules, and all the rest of it. So when
you observe all this as a human being living in
chaos in a world that has almost gone mad, the armaments,
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the selling of them for profit, killing people in the
name of ideas and truth for God, and all the
rest of it. Observing seeing all this all over the world,
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what is a human being to do and what for?
So I think it becomes very important to find out,
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to discover for oneself if one is at all serious,
and one must be serious in life, otherwise one does
not really live at all. It is only a very
very serious man, which doesn't mean he has no laughter,
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no smile. That seriousness which demands a total commitment to
the whole issue of life.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
No stop, right there, a total commitment to the whole
issue of life. Listen. With the advent of technology, yes,
it has made our lives very convenient yet, but there
are costs for that convenience. Right before the iPhone, before
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cell phones exploded, we all remembered phone numbers. We had
phone numbers in our mind. That part of our brain
what is it doing today? Right? Well, what is that
part of your brain doing? Today. Right, do you see?
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We live in a time of massive connectivity, yet at
the same time and paradoxically, we are more insulated and
isolated from each other than ever before. This digital narcissism
becomes normal for how we interact with people. That isolation
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and insulation has led to ghosting, has led to people
not wanting to build relationships anymore. We just want to
pass through, pass through relationships. I'm passing through DC. You
don't understand the work of source, the work of God.
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God created relationships so you could deal with yourself. How
else could you see you? How else could you see
what you need to work on? KBLA is not playing
now the voice of reason, k This is progression right here.
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I'm telling you five to ten years from now, psychology
is going to become more spiritual. It's going to go
back to its original roots. Right, they're already integrating these
concepts mindfulness. Right, they're already integrating some of these concepts.
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This is what relationship is for. If consciousness is a
unified holographic field, right field, where every point containing the
informational pattern of the whole, then trauma introduces local interference
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in the field. What did Einstein say about the field
around every particle. There's a field, and he says that
every particle is dictated to by the field around it.
Do you see your life is dictated by the field
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of trauma? In many cases? Do you see trauma introduces
itself right? As a local interference pattern in the field.
An unhealed wound functions functions like a phase distortion. The
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same light still shines through, but its wavefront bends. Clinically,
we see this as cognitive bias, disassociation, or defensive looping. Metaphysically,
it manifest as partial perception of reality. It is obfuscated
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by the wound. So guess what, everybody gotta show up
the way your wound demands. Zoe's here to challenge you
on that. The relationship is the university. The person continues
to broadcast and receive information, but only through the fragments
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of frequency.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
The mind then makes mistakes that filtered perception for the
entire landscape of existence. The smaller your reality, the more
convinced you are that you know everything. That's Thomas Campbell
my big toe, right, you should get that book. Let's
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go even deeper into this holographic principle, tiny positive or
negative increments and the quality of your over many thousands
of choices eventually lead to either an increasing or decreasing
of consciousness quality. Thomas Campbell My Big Toe. We're living
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in wounded pocket realities looking for people to match that.
This is why the majority of our relationships are mere reenactments,
pocket realities, and wound based dimensions. From this standpoint, each
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unintegrated complex becomes a micro hologram, a self contained pocket reality.
This is how I see the world, and guess how
we've manifested that, We've manifested that into This is my truth.
No one's gonna besmirch or marginalize or minimize my truth. No,
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I'm a mirror the fact that your truth isn't truth.
It is a wound based reality that warps and distorts
what is actually real. Christiannamurti called it the what is nah.
Your reality is warped by the what was.
Speaker 11 (44:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Trauma is a time machine that only travels to the past.
It's a one way travel back to the past what happened,
and it manifests itself in the now as it ain't
gonna happen again. Do you see every fragment of the
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hologram still projects the full image. This is a fact.
These pockets feel complete, self validating. In daily life, they
appear as repetitive relationship patterns, confirmation bias, or identity fortresses. Right,
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I always attract the same kind of people. The world
is unsafe. Neurobiologically speaking, these realities are sustained by the
limbic system's predictive coding. The brain keeps replaying familiar patterns
to maintain coherence. You're calling it love, you're calling it connection.
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I found my boo, my bay. If you're comfortable, you're
not growing. If you're always in a state of peace,
you're not being challenged, you're not expanding. You're ignoring source
in you, because source in you is discovering itself in others.
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Even if it hurts, right, either way, it's gonna hurt.
You stay in your familiar pain, or you expand and
you stretch to the point where it hurts. But you're growing.
Do you see again? The brain keeps replaying familiar patterns
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to maintain coherence, even if the coherence is painful. Spiritually,
they resemble dimensional partitions, private universes orbiting inside the greater
field of love insulated by fear and misinterpretation. The ego
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is the architect of this isolation. The Saint listen, no
disrespect to you know all the other relationship dudes out
there talk no, no disrespect to none of them. I
love them all, I appreciate them all. Keep doing the work,
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brothers and sisters. But this is different. Everybody want to
be a It sound good if I hear it from
a woman. It might sound better if Zoel was a woman,
because then it would come across a little different. No,
I'm on purpose, and this is not supposed to feel good.
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Do you understand? Healing is not a trip to the
day's spot. Everybody want their relationship to be at we Spa, downtown, downtown.
Let's go to we Spa, you know, Korea Town, going
over there, get rubbed on, lay on some hot rocks.
Every relationship ain't like It's not supposed to be like that.
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Or I had good parents, Well I got to go
through something. Maybe you got some generational debt to deal with. Wow, man,
that's a that's make believes off. Okay, don't believe me.
Go to the clinician. Mariel Bouquet. She from the Islands,
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educated at Columbia. Go get her book about the transference
of intergenerational trauma. Maybe you maybe you got the right
parents this time, but you still got the old wounds
from last time. And that's why you're getting a mirror
reflecting this work back to you. You thought, because you
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was raised in a two parent household that everything was perfect. Nah,
the work must happen. We gotta call her on the line.
Let's get them in here. John from Mountain View, Hawaii, Man,
what are your thoughts on tonight's discussion?
Speaker 11 (49:01):
My friend, I thought the system already made this song.
Don't disturb this.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Group, don't disturb this groove.
Speaker 11 (49:17):
Come on, I mean, granted, yes, I get it. Our
lives are in the past. Everything that we have in
our memory, that we use as words is something of
our experience. But I recall being a grown man with
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gray hair, not a baby, going through teething, and even
the child itself had enough capacity one because we couldn't
speak its language, to go through it. And it went
through fever, and it went through suffering, and it became
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what it became, as we all know, is grown people.
Once again, you cannot forget your past, but your past
is supposed to be your capacity for your future. How
tough are you?
Speaker 7 (50:20):
Now?
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Come on, I'm listening.
Speaker 11 (50:24):
Yeah, ladies and gentlemen of the Jursey, if it wasn't
for the simplicity of life, you wouldn't know the complication.
So let's go back. So let's go back to the
thing that we know the most. Again. You don't save
money unless you leave it alone, but you feel poor
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while doing.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
So, Come on, saving is the inverse of consumption. Keep going.
I'm listening.
Speaker 11 (50:54):
If you're trying to remember something as simple as a
number of someone that you love, let them. Let that
person be in hell and you I guarantee you remember
the number.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Ooh, you're gonna remember that number sixty six seven, nine seven,
fourteen seventy four. I got the call them. Come on.
Speaker 11 (51:15):
But nonetheless, again, I recall even speaking to my own
mother over simplicities of And I know I've heard it
many times in this show. You talk about what you're
gonna do with your family member who's sitting before you. Yeah,
y'all can go eat, y'all can go see this, y'all
(51:35):
can go see that. But what about just being man?
Speaker 3 (51:39):
I appreciate that, brother, I appreciate that. I appreciate you
calling in man. Guess what you just.
Speaker 11 (51:45):
Did now views in the house, blessing Saul.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
We love you, John, thank you.
Speaker 11 (51:53):
Love you, love y'all more. But if the Senate don't
do something about themselves, I'm gonna go get it.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yes, sir, all away from Hawaii. We appreciate the call.
When we come forward, we going back to the farm lines.
Speaker 10 (52:06):
What if life itself was never the beginning or the end,
but the space in between. In the Tibetan tradition, this
space is called the bardo, a state of transition where
reality and illusion meet. We think the Bardo comes after death,
but the truth is we've been walking through it since birth.
(52:30):
Every inhale and exhale, every change and loss, every decision
and awakening is another threshold. Life is the training ground
for death, and death is the mirror of how we lived.
The goal isn't to survive what comes after, it's to
awaken while we're here. The Bardo Thurdl, the Tibetan Book
(52:56):
of the Dead, was never meant for the dead. Its
real title means liberation through hearing in the intermediate state.
Padma Sambaba the lotus born master wrote it to be
read to the living, so that consciousness could recognize itself
inside the dream. What the world mistook for funeral text
(53:19):
was a guide for awakening. Every moment of confusion, every
burst of clarity, every fall into illusion is part of
the same map. The living who understand it stop dying
a thousand small deaths each day. Tibetans taught that when
(53:41):
you die, visions of deities, peaceful and wrathful arise from
your mind. But if those deities are projections, then so
is everything you see right now. The people who anger you,
the ones who heal you, the fears that haunt you,
all reflections of the same inner field. The wrathful gods
(54:04):
are your rage, the peaceful ones your compassion. Recognize them
as yourself, and you're free. Every relationship, every challenge, every
sunrise is a lucid dream lesson waking. Life is the
Bardo in disguise. We're taught that the afterlife is uncertain
(54:28):
and this world is solid. Yet the sages discover the opposite.
What we call real life is a rehearsal, a flickering
dream of impermanence. In meditation, monks dissolve the body, watch
time vanish and find only awareness remaining. Death is not
(54:48):
an ending, but a continuation of the same illusion. Forgetfulness
is the true death. Every morning we wake up and
forget who we are. Every night we die into dreams
and forget where we've been. The path is remembering. There
(55:09):
are six bardos mapping every level of consciousness. The bardou
of life, dream, meditation, dying, Darmata, and becoming. They're not sequential,
They're simultaneous. Right now you stand in the bar dou
of life, but in sleep you enter dream, in meditation, Darmata,
(55:30):
in transformation, becoming. You travel these realms each day without noticing.
The masters realized that every breath is a portal, every
heart beat a rebirth. To awaken in one bardo is
to illuminate them all. Every mystic echoes the same truth.
(55:55):
Die before you die, and you'll never die again. To
die be or death means to release the illusion of eye.
The ego fears death because it believes it ends. Awareness
knows it only changes form.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
And I thought, here these unnumbered states of consciousness. You
can number them. You can like in each state to
an egg, and every state remains just at the egg
until fertilized. And the presence that fertilizes the egg is
(56:34):
simply our consciousness. We must be in it to activate it,
to animate it. You put this very moment, single out
any state, and by the use of your imagination, imagine
that you're in it. You'd be in it. Think this
very moment of your living room or any room in
(56:57):
your house. Take an object, a familiar object in your room,
and bring it as close as you can if it's
really here. But then you can't be here in this room.
As you're becoming intense about it, concentrated on it, you
are really where you are imagining yourself to be. For
(57:17):
men being all imagination, he must be where he is
in imagination. But what have I done there? I've fertilized it.
I've actually made it real, and in a way that
I do not know I am going to go there,
But now you will say, naturally, I'm going to go
there today. It's my home. I use that only to
(57:39):
illustrate a point. You could take any place, no matter
where it is, any part of the world. If you
did the same thing you eat that you would now
do to your home, you will find yourself compelled to
move across a bridge of incident leading up to the
fulfillment of that state. You don't devise the means. But
(58:02):
there's so many little facets to this wonderful art of imagining.
I'll tell you one to show you the danger. But
if one wants one thing above all things in this
world and they're wanting to sacrifice their moral ethical code,
in fact every code, it also works. That's why I
(58:25):
warn you in my last book, I can only acclaimt
to you with the law and leave you to your choice.
And it's risk, and I mean risk.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Very interesting stuff that was never gartered, never goddard, very
very good stuff. This topic is deep, and I know
it is. I know it's layered and nuanced, but they're
designed to be that way. Emd R. It's a form
(59:02):
of therapy that gets you to go back. It's a
technology that allows you to remember. But you remember. Big
Mammy used to say, there's nothing new under the sun.
There was a meditation practice many many many years ago
(59:25):
that was created by a man by the name of
gorg Jeff. Gorg Jeff created a practice known as self remembering,
and it achieved some of the same things that E. M.
D R achieves today. If you have time, you should
(59:50):
look it up by gorgeoff right if you need, I
guess help spelling gorge if it is not just an
easy name g U R D J I E F
F gorgeff and of course that's the last name. But
I want I don't want to give you all of
(01:00:11):
the information. I kind of just I want you to
go on a just you know, on this discovery to
find out the information. But gorgeaff he talked at length
right and developed an entire uh practice called self remembering.
Why is it important? Man, do we even know why
(01:00:36):
we're self evasive? Listen to how I frame that self
evasive and what kind of havoc that might wreak upon
our intimate relationships? Very important stuff. Let me get Sean
in here too. Sean from Oakland, California, what are your
(01:00:57):
thoughts on tonight's top pick? My friend?
Speaker 12 (01:01:02):
Well, brother, I mean, regarding the topic, it's very broad
in my mind. I'll tell you what. The young folks,
because I'm older, they talk about the vibe. They talk
about the vibe, and I'll tell you what, man, it's
really important that we respect that as older guys, well
(01:01:25):
at least I'm an older guy. I know you're like twenty,
I'm jokes. I know, I know, I know, I know
I'm making a joke, but I'm saying, man, the vibe
of the moment. You have to appreciate what these kids
are doing. That you have to appreciate it because you
(01:01:46):
may not understand it right as an older guy, but
the vibe really does matter. It matters, and you should
embrace it. And when you don't agree with that, tell
them and they appreciate that. They appreciate when you say,
(01:02:08):
you know, I don't like what this area of your
vibe is going. But it's all about communication, right. But
I like the fact the young kids are going in
this direction because the vibe matters. Because if you have
(01:02:33):
a negative vibe in your house, as if you're married
or in a relationship or anything like that, it matters.
It does matter. And so if you understand that the
vibe I'm saying it so many times because it matters,
(01:02:54):
you know, you might be able to resuscitate your relationship.
You might be able to keep your relationship together. And
that's key. You know that we keep these relationships solid
and that we're working towards a team, and we're working
(01:03:15):
towards you know the klimate goal, which is the team.
Speaker 9 (01:03:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Let me just say this, I approve of your message.
My friend Sean from Oakland, California. Guess what you just did,
brother man.
Speaker 12 (01:03:31):
Oakland. Then the house, but also the world.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yes, we appreciate town business in the building. When we
come forward, Zoe Williams is going to begin to land
this plane.
Speaker 13 (01:03:41):
The most powerful thing you'll need is that capacity to
let go, because you're going to run into tests that
are really quite powerful. It's don't worry any what you think,
because as you move ahead, that which is made uncomfortable
or displaced against the get annoyed that you're moving out
of that domain, ring their domain. When you start getting
(01:04:01):
the challenges. I'm not going to allow myself to fall
into the pit being so linked to something that if
it leaves, I will then go into grief out of
Lovingness now takes the form of an attitude towards yourself
and your own life and those around you.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
You're trying.
Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
We got to bring that back. Lovingness is now now
takes on the attitude of loving yourself and those way.
That's doctor David R. Hawkins, the author of man Power
Versus Force, among many other books, but I need you
to really lock in to what he's saying. Run it again. Andy.
Speaker 13 (01:04:43):
The most powerful thing you'll need is that capacity let go,
because you're going to run into tests that are really
quite powerful. Don't any what you think, because as you
move ahead, that which is made uncomfortable or displayed against
to get annoyed that your mo even out of that
domain and threatening their domain when you start getting the challenges,
(01:05:04):
I'm not going to allow myself to fall into the
pit of being so linked to something that if it
leaves I will then go into grief out of compassion.
Lovingness now takes the form of an attitude towards yourself
and your own life and those around you. It finally
reaches the point where it's willing to let anything go
that stands.
Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
In the way.
Speaker 13 (01:05:25):
But you may think it's the small things that we're
letting go of. We say, well, I let go of
my favorite sneakers, and it seems trivial. Oh No, the
capacity to surrender your sneakers is going to be one
of the last things right for enlightened.
Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Man. Doctor David R. Hawkins, incredible author, great work. Listen.
I know this topic tonight was dense, but it's important.
They're all important. Many of us have the wrong idea
about what it means to connect.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
First off, we don't need to connect. We're all connected, right,
we don't need to connect. We just need to remember
that we are all connected. And then secondarily, there's work
to be done so we can clear away the obstruction
(01:06:27):
to clear sight. The past has had all of us
in a chokehold for too long. Listen to what we're
saying here tonight. The egos prime directive is continuity, not
the truth. It stabilizes identity by confining awareness within these
(01:06:53):
wound based dimensions. Right, each defense narrative, I must control
to stay safe. I'm somebody that gotta be in control. Right,
this becomes the gravity well of a personal universe. Listen
(01:07:14):
to that, I must control everything in order to stay safe.
I am unworthy of love. These terms become gravity wells.
If you know anything about the mechanics of a black hole,
you'll understand what a gravity well is. But they become
gravity wells of a personal universe. To step beyond it
(01:07:38):
feels like alienation, alienation of what the ego. If you're
studying any of the ancient spiritual practices, self realization is
the annihilation of the ego. The ego is about the
continuity of self. And if the ego, the identity was
built off of toxicity, brokenness.
Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
Right, it's not gonna want to let go of the
familiar pain, do you see?
Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Like I said, to step beyond. It feels like alienation
because the ego equates dissolution of its boundary with death.
Yet from the holographic perspective that we've covered all night,
that death is merely decoherence, collapse of a local illusion
(01:08:35):
back into the unified field EMDR and the re merging
of dimensions. Right, the therapeutic process right, Processes like EMDR
work precisely by resynchronizing these pocket realities with the master
(01:08:59):
frequency of the field. Bilateral stimulation induces hemispheric coherence, dissolving
the energetic wall that keeps traumatic material in isolation, as
the oscillations restore rhythm, memory, emotion, and body sensation regenerate
(01:09:24):
the local hologram re phases with the universal image? What
is the universal image? Christ said it, I and my
father are one. Christ said it, Let all your eyes
become one. Right, that's what they're talking about, And the
universal image we are so caught up on who we
(01:09:48):
think we are and who our wounds have made us
believe we are, that relationships become unnecessarily problematic. Right. What
appears clinically as trauma resolution is, in holographic language, dimensional
(01:10:16):
realignment the return of a lost photon to the lattice
of unconditional awareness. Tonight's topic was deep, and it's supposed
to be deep. But we're here to expand love's bandwidth.
(01:10:38):
When the wounds distortion clears, perception widens, the nervous system
stops filtering for danger and begins resonating with possibility. Right.
Anthropologically speaking, this expansion resembles what initiation rights once achieved
the individuals reintegration into the tribe of the cosmos. Love,
(01:11:06):
once constrained to the scale of personal need, listen, Love,
once constrained to the scale of personal need, now functions
as a field property, a spontaneous recognition of sameness within
(01:11:27):
illusory difference. In this state, unconditional no longer describes an emotion,
but a perceptual bandwidth in which everything is seen as
belonging to the same light. Do you know why so
easy to hurt each other?
Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Because we don't feel the pain we inflict. In that moment,
we feel separate from them, and it only takes reflection
for it to anigo. Oh wow, I did hurt them. DC.
Most human beings right inhibit wound based self reinforcing pocket
(01:12:19):
realities psychological micro dimensions generated by unintegrated trauma and maintained
by egoic inertia. Within those pockets, awareness contracts and love
appears scarce or conditional. Healing, whether through emdr mindfulness, somatic integration,
(01:12:46):
or deep relational presence, is the act of rephasing those
localized holograms with the total field. Each moment of integration collapses.
This is a false dimension back into the hole, increasing
the system's overall coherence. You ain't got to believe a
(01:13:09):
word I said tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
You ain't.
Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
You ain't got to believe it. My job is to
start the conversation. It's your job to finish it. I
bet we all have a different view of relationship tonight.
And that's the purpose of the voice of reason. When
I come forward, it'll be tomorrow, and I'll have an
entirely new slapper to hit you upside the dome with.
Let's get it
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