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(00:56):
with us on Tuesdays here at Twin Cities Orthopedics Performance
At yesterday when nine to Noon was laying out what
we perceived to be ABCD topics like one, two, three, four, five. Yeah,
a lot of minutia to discuss, but the A topic
for nine to noon was win or lose. The raising

(01:16):
of this quarterback is the A topic for the organization.
Yes In the estimation of nine to noon and it
sounds like you, I would agree with that. So then
we went through some names and I got to eventually
the who's the greatest quarterback quarterback in the history of
the Minnesota Vikings fran targeted. Okay, he went to the
Hall of Fame, right he did, and he also hosted

(01:36):
Saturday Night Live several times and work Monday Night Football
like pretty popular, right.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
In his first four starts, one touchdown, six interceptions, he
completed fifty percent of his passes. This thing ain't easy,
as as McCarthy knows, O'Connell knows, the fan base is learning.
It's only four games with him, and good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, it's It is an interesting discs because this thing
of how patient you'd be with a young quarterback is.
We see different credations of this, and a lot of
times it's a young quarterback that's on a team that
didn't have the expectations that this one did. Where you're
coming off a fourteen win season and everybody's thinking this

(02:19):
could be a team that takes the next step and
wins a playoff game in twenty twenty five, and you're
going with all of those kind of priors that get
put on JJ McCarthy in a year where he's still
twenty two years old. He is I think if he
finishes the season, if he starts every game in the
rest of the season, he'll be like the tenth or
eleventh quarterback in this century to start twelve games before

(02:44):
his twenty third birthday. He doesn't turn twenty three until January,
so he is still very, very very young. But the
thing that makes a tricky is this is not a
team that was built to say, okay, let's you know,
take the patient with a young quarterback. So it's this
balance of yes, he is going to have to develop.

(03:05):
I mean, I was looking up things yesterday. I think
there are seventy quarterbacks that have been drafted in the
first round in this century. Of that McCarthy I think
is like fifty six in terms of his passer rating
his first four starts, so not good, right, But the
name the two names directly below him on that list
are Matthew Stafford and Jared Goff, and Josh Allen is

(03:27):
further down the list. So there is just a steep
learning curve at this position in the NFL, and.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
We acknowledge passer rating not the end all, but it
kind of leads you down a road of understanding trials
and tribute threads.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, it's just it's not going to be a player
at his most efficient probably at this point. So, yeah,
this this idea of raising a quarterback, and I you know,
talking to people internally, some of it is you build
the veteran roster in part so that the raising of
the young quarterback is easier in theory that there are

(04:04):
fewer unknowns around him, and it makes the development process
a little smoother in that idea as well. But this
is also a team that expected to win and be
a contender in the NFC, and it's hard to do
both of those things at the same time, I think
is the basic lesson of this kind of what we're
finding out.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
So maybe we created some expectations in which we were
trying to thread one of the tougher needles.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah we could ever possibly do.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, But I also think I don't think the team
shot away from that though. I mean, I think talking
to people internally and just the way that they discussed
things before the season, I don't think anybody was sitting
here saying, well, the quarterbacks twenty two. So you kind
of have to look at this year is a little
bit of a building process, and you're not going to
win in twenty twenty five. I don't think anybody in

(04:51):
this building was looking at it that way. The question,
I suppose becomes how realistic was that? And maybe that
was a little bit of a moonshot, So you know,
maybe that's where you find things to be and you know,
maybe he starts to figure things out in the second
half of the season and you see progress and they
start to win games as a result of that. But
I think what we're seeing early is, yeah, in the

(05:12):
first four I mean, now you have Patrick Mahomes at
the top of that list. Patrick Mahomes a fantastic unicorn
right away. Yeah, he's a unicorn. He's not somebody that
you're going to say, oh, well, why aren't you up
to that standard? Like very few people who have ever
played this position are up to any of the standards
that Patrick Mahomes has ever hit in his career. So, yes,
he's a unicorn. And you have names lower on that

(05:34):
list that include some of the best quarterbacks in the NFL,
including one that won a Super Bowl with Kevin O'Connell
four years ago in Los Angeles. So it is a
tough thing to learn on the fly, and I think
we are seeing that in real time in a lot
of ways.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
So let let me ask you this because I'm first
of all, one thousand percent in on the patients thing.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, and I just I've just learned.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Now over the last really two months, is I had
to recalibrate my expectations for what this team can ultimately
do in twenty twenty five. The injuries are a part
of it, but really the QB is a big part
of it too. And frankly, defensively, all the takeaways have
gone away. I mean, you just think about complimentary football.
But the instant pushback that you'll get whether you write

(06:23):
about these other individuals passer ratings and records and such
early on, is that they're all going to say Matthew
Stafford was a top pick for a hideous Lions team,
Jared Goff top pick hideous Rams team. You can go
down that road. The Bills had really been trying to
build something a little better defensively.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think there were a six win team as over
the year, so not bottom of the.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Barrel wasn't until year three, actually before Josh Allen truly
lifted off right. But that instant is okay, Well, we
won fourteen games last year and we have justin Jefferson.
You cannot ever compare those two in their development paths
simply because we have number eighteen and that I've kind
of had a hard time putting the words together any

(07:09):
of this to noon sometimes just in general, I guess,
have trouble putting words together. But to that argument, the
idea that JJ McCarthy's development simply is either a shorter
arc to the finish line or an easier path to
the finish line simply because he has these weapons, I'm

(07:29):
having a hard time putting the words together to it.
I just don't buy that that JJ McCarthy simply by
nature of what's around him that he sees he magically
sees the field better than the average twenty two year old,
that he's instantly going to get it more quickly than
other young qbs ever did just because there happened to

(07:51):
be more resources around him.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Well, I think a couple of things come to mind there.
The first one, I guess is when they picked JJ McCarthy,
they were not a fourteen win team. They were a
team coming off a seven and ten season that had
lost Kirk Cousins from most of that year, and they
go fourteen and three in part because Sam Darnold has
a great year. And I'm not saying that that means

(08:13):
all the expectations shouldn't be high in twenty five, but
like I've said, the team was leaning into the high expectation.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
The team set the bar correct.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah, but it is just kind of this quirky thing
because nobody last year was saying, oh, this is a
fourteen win team. They surprised everybody to do that, and
then you kind of become it's the old Bud Grant thing,
the old you know that he I think told Kevin
O'Connell right away that the joke was, hey, don't win
too fast. You set the expectations high and then it's
hard to you know, start with the bar a little lower,

(08:42):
and then they love you going forward. Obviously, that's been
kind of a back and forth for Kevin O'Connell. He
wins thirteen his first year, and then they slide back
and then it's fourteen and then this year they've already
lost more games than they did last year. So the
expectations have been a little bit kind of all a
caart in some ways, I think. So that makes it

(09:04):
tricky there. But the other piece of it that comes
to mind with the Justin Jefferson thing is, yes, you
have Justin Jefferson, But I think one of the things
that they talk about a lot, and they've talked about
with every quarterback that's been here, whether it's Kirk Cousins,
Nick Mullen's, the rest of the Cast of thousands and
twenty three Sam Darnold, is you also deal with the

(09:25):
fact that everybody plays Justin Jefferson differently than they play
most receivers in the NFL in terms of the coverage
that's getting floated his way. So, yes, you have him,
and yes it's sometimes just hey, don't over complicated.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Throw Justin Jefferson the ball. He's better than everybody else.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
But when you have to read through all those coverages
and you're a quarterback that doesn't have the reps in
the bank to say, Okay, I know how to process
through this and I can get the ball to Justin
Jefferson in these settings, it makes it more complex, I
think than just Hey, Justin Jefferson's there. This is idiot
proof just on the ball and let him do something.

(10:01):
I think there are some complexities that come because of
the way teams play.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Him well with with with the youthful nature of this
quarterback and the inexperience. Yeah, and all the targets for Jefferson,
both his touchdowns with McCarthy. Do you do you think
as they move forward like with with with McCarthy. Okay,
so there is a swivel. We've seen it when we
watch games back. Yeah, first rate, You'll do the best

(10:28):
he can to get through those reads, but there's still
work that needs to be done with that, right, Okay,
So if it's different than he thought it would be,
and maybe the pressure's hotter than he thought it would be,
do you think he's just it's not it's not a
bleep it. It's just kind of all right, well, this
whole thing broke down. I'm throwing a day team, you know,
and like in essence settling for that more than he

(10:52):
needs to at this stage.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I mean, it's hard to say.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
You have to probably go back through every play to
say definitively on that, but yeah, I think it's a
lot of trying to figure your way through it and
read things, and I think the clock in general has
been a question whether it's do I stay in here
another click and let something open up, or do I hold?
Am I holding the ball too long? And then I'm

(11:15):
dealing with pressure? I mean on Sundays, certainly he was
understanding at times he needed to get out, and you
have to decide other times where he could have hung
in there and made a play down field. He certainly
trust his legs, and I think you see that quite
a bit, that he's willing to bail and make things
happen with his feet.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
But except the one time, Yeah, he has one fewer
pick if he trusted his legs on that third and five, yeah,
and six and tries to beat the linebacker to the.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Right to the first down line. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
I think the general figuring out the clock in terms
of the coverage, how it declares the down and distance,
what my options are?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
So much of this is it. It's kind of the
answer to some of this stuff as well. It depends.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
It's like, what's the context of what's happening around me,
and how do I apply the proper decision making to
all these different contexts. I think that is part of
the reason this position takes so long to learn. Is
it takes a long time to have seen everything and
store it in a way that you can say, Okay, well, yeah,
I saw this against this team back in Week ten

(12:18):
of the twenty twenty five season. If he's in year four,
I think that rep may be more useful than it
is in the moment, if that makes sense. But yeah,
I think a lot of it is just so context
dependent that the best ones figure out, Okay, this is
the answer in this particular spot, and I can get
to it fast enough to make something happen.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
But off the first four Yeah, it is reality and
fair to say, just like this side of Tom Brady. Yeah,
they all all the kids hold it too long. Yeah,
all the kids get indecisive. Yes, and it gradually comes
together for the ones who are gifted.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I think that's right.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
I mean, I think his I'm to throw on Sunday
was like three and a half seconds, Like that doesn't work.
That's I think was the longest in the NFL, one
of his longest of the year. That just doesn't work
in the NFL. You've got to get rid of the
ball faster than that. And I think they've stressed that.
I think he probably knows that we'll hear from him tomorrow.
But yeah, a lot of it is they hold it
too long because the processing speed is just not quite

(13:22):
there yet. We're talking about a computer from my childhood
in terms of the processing speed. We're not talking about
the new whatever ad I just got for a new
MacBook with an M five process or whatever that.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
You're saying the kid QB's on dial up right now, Well,
there's a little bit of time.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I think the technological advancements come. Okay, when you get
the fastest processes here in your brain, well, he's about
to leave the Bears on red. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah.
I think that just takes time to get to that
level of decision making. I mean, I can remember Kirk
Cousins at times, and this is you know, Kirk Cousins
is not the best quarterback to ever play the game, certainly,

(14:00):
but a guy that has done it for a long time.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Who has notebooks filled with that correct from four or
five years ago that he studies yep, and with the little.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Brain monitoring thing on his head. I mean, what a
carnival at his house?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well yeah, but I mean there would be times where
you'd hear him say, well I saw this coverage and
this guy was going over here, So I know that
meant that one and two were not there, So I
was going to check three, three was not there. Okay,
then I'm going to four. It's like you did all
of that in two point three seconds. So I mean
that is a lot of the secret sauce of playing
this position in the NFL is being able to arrive

(14:35):
at those conclusions that fast. And if you don't have that,
those path rushers are going to be in your face
pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
So in terms of helping JJ McCarthy, yeah, because there's
a part of this where he's got to be raised
on the fly. We set expectations, we got a veteran roster.
Part of those expectations, Ben was complimentary football, and I
mentioned it kind of at the beginning of this, where
you know, I'm not interested in putting arbitrary percentages on things,
but when I think about this team, the QB certainly

(15:03):
is the a topic. But for fans, if they can
be patient with the QB, you know, there are other
places that might draw their ire and it's the it's
the the lack of takeaways. It can be by the way,
forty two attempts for the kid. I think in any
situation you're going to have a hard time winning that
game too much at this stage if we can't get
some things going on the ground, But then the other

(15:26):
thing just kind of a general lack of discipline. Now,
when Ko was talking yesterday, it was clear that it
was on his mind because it was almost like, hey,
how you guys doing. By the way the cadence on
the false starts, I got to coach better.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
You know, what is your vibe with that?

Speaker 5 (15:40):
In terms of as we've looked for identity with the
team that has good times bad times, really at this
stage of the year, the identity is inconsistency and really
a lack of discipline around the kid QB as we're
trying to raise them on the floor, right, And I.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Don't I don't think that works because I think a
lot of this was built. I mean, yes, you wanted
to win, but it also was I know, on offense,
the vision was let's put as many veterans around him
as possible so that there's not this need to hold hands.
There's not a need to say, well, this person didn't
do their job quite the right way. So the quarterback

(16:17):
has to overcome that. I mean, you'll hear Kasi, Adolflaments
and Kevin O'Connell talk about but this is a quasy phrase,
overcoming context with quarterbacks where the house is burning and
it doesn't matter because the quarterback is so good he
can make something happen. That is not what they're expecting
JJ McCarthy to do at age twenty two. Maybe in
four years or you know, two or three, whatever, but

(16:39):
I don't think that's happening now. So I think some
of the problem has been when you have proven players,
either on the offensive line or you know, some drop
passes at times. I think justin Jefferson, that would have
been a tough touchdown catch on Sunday between two guys,
but the best wide receiver in the world probably would
say he should make that catch.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
It was put in a great spot, it was a
great throw.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
And then defensively, at times this year it's been not
being able to stop the run. It's been the lack
of turnovers, and injuries play into some of these things.
But yeah, I think there are some moments where you say, Okay,
there are enough proven players on this team that you
would expect to execute at a little more reliable level.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
They probably haven't.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
And if you don't have a quarterback that's in a
position to overcome all of that, it makes it tough.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
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Speaker 2 (17:41):
To close this.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Segment and land the plane on this conversation, it's moving
on to the Bears. The Vikings are undefeated in the division.
The Bears are winless in the division. The Vikings found
a way to go to Ford Field and beat Jared
Goff and Jamiir Gibbs. Meanwhile, the Chicago Bears gave up
fifty two the Detroit Lions. Now that was very early
in the season, so somebody needs to overcome some form

(18:04):
of context. Yeah, I guess, I guess we'll figure out
how that works out Sunday and then won't. Yeah, but
how far squeeze, we're on the quasy train over here.
How how far down the road on the Bears are you?
And just if you haven't looked or read or mashed
on a lot of it yet, completely fine, it's Tuesday

(18:25):
games on Sunday. You're an elite football mind stream your consciousness.
What do you think of the Bears?

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, I haven't done a ton of research on the
games in the weeks since we saw them. I haven't
done a ton of film review on them yet. It
was a lot of yesterday was looking back at McCarthy
and all the false starts and went into some of
those things.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
But we got a couple of things for you then,
just cursory. Okay, Yeah, since the buye the Bears are
four and one. Their only loss was to Baltimore, not
Lamar Tyler Huntley. During those five games, they're running for
one eighty five per and it's clear there's a guy
alvanizing nature to a certain extent taking place between the

(19:03):
quarterback and the coach. With the way they I don't
care if it's bad team, bad team. They found a
way to outdo the context of games whatever however you
put it earlier, and they they learned how to win
dramatic games. And then when it comes to the teams
they've played this year, Nordo has what was that with

(19:23):
the Bears? Fifteen well, fifteen forty one one is the
collecting record.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, six teams.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
They beat Bengals in that comeback the Giants last week
when Jackson Dark gets heard.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
So I mean that that's the the quick fire, quick
touch context with this six and three team. DJ Moore
has caught a touchdown, run for a touchdown, and thrown
a touchdown. So anyway, Dj Moore, we're happy for him.
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean, I think they have started to figure
some things out. You've certainly seen more productive idiots, more
productivity on offense.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Between kidder productive idiots.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, yeah, something there I a lot not a productive
way to phrase that word. You're out kicking the content.
Productivity is the word I was looking for. There's been
more of that with Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams. DeAndre Swift
has been a big factor too. I mean you see
a lot of where they're trying to mold that team
to look what look like what the Lions have, where

(20:19):
it's it's Colton Lovelin instead of Sam Laporta, it's DeAndre
Swift instead of Jamior Gibbs, it's you know, building the
offensive line some of the things they've done. And then
it's a quarterback that meshes with what Ben Johnson wants
to do Yeah. I think there's going to be probably
another stage of growth for them yet, and they probably
need to do it against some more complex defenses. But

(20:40):
you certainly see the growth and that's what they've been
talking about needing for a long time, specifically with Kayleb Williams.
Somebody can kind of get his ear and make it work.
But it's been noticeable progress and it'll be interesting to
see the second time around with Brian Flora is what
that looks like. Sunday solid run, run blocking okay three
two big beef East wrong tight end. Josh Oliver maybe

(21:02):
returning this weekend. And also a question for the scribe,
the beat writer about press conferences and timing.

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(22:18):
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(22:42):
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Speaker 5 (22:43):
Can we get some talkbacks for the coach by the way,
just all you got to do, name and where you're from.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
We do our weekly talkback of the day if you will,
and we'll play one for the coach.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yep, talk back talkback Tuesday from TCO. So we'll play
a talkback for Kevin and O'Connell probably within the next
forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Free.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
iHeart audio app microphone. You know what to do with
Let me ask you this when when it comes to
the course of the battle. Okay, we're in the middle
right now. Yeah, at Green Bay's five to three in one,
Minnesota's four and five. So there was a question posed

(23:25):
to Matt Lafleur last night after a very tightly contested
emotional loss as head coach of a five to three
and one team, and the question the question was do you.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Feel your coaching for your job? So here here's my
question to you.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Because we're at a lot of press conferences together, I
never asked questions. Yeah, what's the reason I never asked questions?
Because I'm I'm fortunate enough to have a half hour
with the head coach every Tuesday or tape pregame shows
with him and spend time with him like that. Right,
that's not my time, sure, but I like being at
the press conferences or listening to them because of you

(24:07):
and Alec and Dane and Kevin and just so Emily
and so on and so on. I just it's like,
you know, one of these Kevin O'Connell press conferences within
the last week and change, after all that wentz terrorism.
You know, it's having talked to Kevin on Tuesday, there
are different questions to be had on Wednesday, and I
appreciate that. I'm just sitting back waiting for somebody to
tell me about Josh Oliver. And Emily like her right

(24:30):
at the end, is like, well, yeah, I mean Josh,
how's he doing?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Or however she put it. So, I saw her at
practice the next day.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
You come up to her, put my arm around her, said,
I barely know you. I waited twenty two minutes for
a Josh Oliver question, and I just really want to
thank you for asking that. So to each their own
with how they execute your toil. Here's the question, is
it proper timing or is it crass to ask somebody
after a game who leads a team with a winning record.

(24:59):
By the way, but after an emotional game, do you
feel your coaching for your job? I think it's grand standing.
I think it's inappropriate at that time. Yeah, personally speaking,
you want to do that on a Wednesday or on
a Friday, cool? Yeah, But anyway, the individual who did it,
I felt was grand standing. What's your feeling on the timing?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, I mean I think that's probably a question. I
mean that's maybe a Monday after a game. The particular
context in that setting is useful. I think the question
is pertinent relative to Matt Lafleur because great, the Packers
have a new team president. Oh, great the Packers have
I think that team president has said I'm not giving

(25:44):
extensions to Matt Lafluor and Brian Gutakuntz because I want
to see what this is going to be. So the
topic is more relevant than it would be.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Great.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Oh, I don't know for a team that just extended
its head coaching GM this offseason.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
So I think that topic is going to be front
of mind for the people that cover the Packers and
a lot of veteran reporters that do that. But yeah,
there is that question of when do you ask it.
I don't know that that's one I would have gone
with right after a game. After a game, it's emotional.
I mean, everybody's kind of reacting with their first thoughts
and they haven't had time to sit down and process

(26:20):
and decompress in that setting. I think that's probably something
I would have done on a Monday, but you know,
it's or a Wednesday or a prime.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, probably a Monday or a Wednesday, because Friday is
generally all about the next one. Sunday is all about
the one that just happened.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, so I think we're in lockstor. Yeah, yeah, and
it is.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
It always is tricky in some settings because you do
see times where reporters are asking questions and you can
tell it's because people know these things are live streamed,
and people know their voices are heard, and there's kinds
of ways to build your brand. I don't think that
was happening with this particular question. I think it was
probably because that topic is relevant to that beat, because

(27:01):
that team is dealing with it, so we can we
can decide whether Sunday Monday Wednesday Friday is the best
time to do it. But I you know, you do
see times where that happens in a general sense with
people asking questions that way. I think that I'm not
a big fan of that in general when you see
that happening. And again, I think this question probably is
from a news gathering perspective. It's just when should it happen?

(27:23):
That the grandstanding stuff. When I do see it, I'm
kind of like, Okay, I don't know that I need this.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Well, I mean, you would typically if and let's say
the guy who asked the question is writing an article. Yeah,
just new regime and such and so head coach GM,
it's it's not free money anymore. Now, it's like looking
towards the future. Maybe there's some if not now when
type of conversations with the team. So if you're writing
an article about that, you would probably maybe even plan

(27:51):
the release of that article so that you didn't have
to ask that question after a difficult emotional loss, so
you could get coach quotes and text maybe on a
Tuesday morning after a Monday night game, et cetera. So
you kind of you have some autonomy in terms of
how you can gear your content and ultimately find the
right times to ask maybe some tougher questions.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, there certainly are times for that. And you know
that whenever you write something, it is only fair to
have asked the person on the record about the thing
that you're writing about.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I mean, that's part of the job.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
So you do have some autonomy in the sense of
I can release my story later if I want to
ask this question at a better time, or ask it,
you know, whenever the right moment to get a more
thoughtful answer might be. Yeah, you do have some autonomy
over that. But I think the process of if you're
writing that story, if that the plan was to write

(28:44):
that story after that game, you do need to ask
the question. It's not fair to write something like that
without giving the person that the story is about a
chance to respond and address it. That's sometimes where you
ask questions too, is say, hey, this is only fair
to put this in front of you and let you
shape it how you want.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Well, that's that, that's true, and and and that's something
I overlooked. Okay, so but if if that is the
and again, I'm not you know, I'm not I'm not
trying to be woodword and Bernstein here for tend like
you know, like I've been an editor in chief at
a major newspaper. I'm simply saying, if that is the

(29:23):
context of your of your gamer, well it's not a gamer, right.
And if it's a sidebar or a column, well that's different. Okay,
So now I would be required to read it to
see how it meshed together. And and you know what,
it's fair for me to say what I'm saying because of.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
How wrapped up in opinions.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Uh, people in our industry get with social media, and
then you can just constantly keep seeing Lafloor sucks fire fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire,
fire fire, and it never stops because everybody has their
phone right in front of the face around the clock.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
So if it's generated from that, well, shame on you.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, that's not something you should be using as your
assignment editor.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And we see it.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
I mean, we get these questions all the time, and
you know, you get told, hey, you need to ask this,
and you need to you need to do this because
if you don't, you're a coward, and it's like no,
Sometimes it's that you're you're applying context that may be
different than what you're applying to it if you're sitting
at home watching it. So yes, if you are grabbing

(30:32):
your uh reading on social media and using as the
barometer for what everybody's thinking, that's probably not.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
The right way to go about it.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
And I'm a vocal minority of the fan base, but
I find it full hearty for people in our positions,
with those who write stories that that tens, if not
hundreds of thousands read, right, those who talk into a microphone,
you know, with whatever the crowd size is there, I
think it's unfair to chastise the fan or generally nine

(31:01):
out of ten times being they don't run enough. Ask
Kevin O'Connell, why doesn't run more? Really, that's how you
want to do it. Yeah, you want to go at
it that way, Okay, Well if you stop there, cool
because I'll stop too. But if you don't, it's well,
what situation are you talking about? What game are you
talking about? What was the offensive line?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Like CJ.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Hamplay? How many receivers were there? Where did the defense
rank against the run? How had they been doing during
that game? What was the weather? Lies at first and fifteen? Right, So,
if somebody wants to lay out context of things and
go back and forth. I love that. I don't live
for it, but I live for discussions like that where

(31:43):
people are well prepared, they have context and authenticity with
their emotion behind it, and I love that. But it's
just so fleeting these days.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, And I think that's where I would say the
value of if somebody in my seat should be is
that when a fan is saying, hey, I want to
know about this because this is bothering me, then it
is my job to say, Okay, let's look at the
context here and form a question, not to you know,
bang on the door with a pitchfork. It's to get

(32:16):
further insight into the head coach's thought process. And that
is one thing when you're talking to Kevin O'Connell, he
generally will tell you what his thought process was on something,
and you can decide, okay, I agree with that or
I don't. But I mean you know that he generally
will walk you down on a road of what he
was thinking, which I appreciate because that's that's all I
really want when I'm asking a question.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
But in our positions, timing is everything correct. So I'm
not going to ask about a two point seven yards
per run over the course of a game and a
half at a certain time where things are hot, I'm
gonna wait for them to run quite well, and then
I'm gonna ask him, by the way, what's your philosophy
when it comes to meshing the run in the past,

(33:00):
Like when you know it's time to run more than past, Yeah,
it's time. You know, there's so much that goes into
it that people just don't understand.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
The point of the question is to get an answer
that illuminates things.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It is not to.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Make the question itself seem confrontational, cream or confrontational. It
is to elicit information that helps people understand the team
that they love a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
That's how I see it. That's beautifully laid out. Thank you, Yeah,
thanks manas good discussion. Awesome, Ben Gasoline, Start Tribune, Start
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good at beating bad teams, and Chris Finch should be
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(37:13):
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