Best Jurassic Park Cartoon with Steven Ray Morris

This week the fourth season of Jurassic World: Chaos Theory (formerly, Jurassic World: Camp Cretaceous), introduces a new generation of dinosaur enthusiasts to the extended universe of Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park! This week on Geek History Lesson, Ashley is joined by podcaster extraordinaire and OG Murderino, Steven Ray Morris (host of See Jurassic Right), to dig up what exactly it takes to animate Jurassic Right!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Jurassic Park and Jurassic World aren't just properties. They are
entire worlds, and I would not have thought that the
danger that they hold makes for great kids television. So, Stephen,
why do you think we now have multiple series with
multiple seasons aimed at all ages?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Because we want to hang out with dinosaurs and the
movies don't allow time for that. And so I think
that's why the shows are so good, because it's like
we get to imagine ourselves with all of our dino.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Friends, living our best dreams with I do. With that,
I've got to say, hold on to your butts. Hello,
and welcome to Geek History Lesson. I am Ashley Victoria Robinson.
I know you are typically used to hearing Jason Inman
with Me, but he is still hanging out in you
hop with a very famous detective finishing up Watson season two.
So today instead we are joined by podcaster engineer bisexual

(01:04):
Icon and the hoy Hoist Those of the Sea Jurassic
Right podcast Stephen Ray Morris, Hi, Steven Ashley.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's it's two aries in a root in the studio
right now. We are we might burn it all yeah,
we might burn it all down. We might go to
the Moon.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
People don't even know how long we've been trying to
get you on GHL, and I can't believe that this
is finally.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
No, I mean that's that's I've said it directly to
the casting crew of Camp Credaceous and Cass Theory, Like,
this is the show I wish we had growing up.
These are the shows I wish we had grown up,
But I'm also just so glad that we have them
now because they rule.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
That's how I feel about the Teen Titans and Teen
Titans Go show, where I'm like, if I could have
had this one, my brain squishy, my whole life would
have been better. But I'm happy to have them now
that I am a Crisp twenty one years old.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Both we're both the same age, both twenty one exactly.
I mean yeah, like never looked truly like Sammy and
Yas's relationship is like life, Like I love them so much,
and yeah, they just make me so happy.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh my gosh, we're going to get into it, but
before we do, uh, If you don't know, Camp Cretaceous
and Chaos Theory are based on the nineteen ninety science
fiction novel by Michael Crichton and the nineteen ninety three
movie adaptation directed by Steven Spielberg, and the one hundred
thousand adaptations that have come out since then. The new
season of Jurassic World's Chaos Theory premieres on Netflix on

(02:25):
November twentieth, which is definitely the week that this episode
comes out.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
One of us here has already seen it, so we
will be telling you no spoilers because we are polite
and we respect you. But one of us is very,
very lucky. I'm winking yes on on this famously audio medium.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Can hear the Can you hear a? Wink? I guess
if you really turned up the mic and you really.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Like, oh maybe I can uh, maybe we can do
a you can hear that Stephen is so fabulous that
you've now heard him wink.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I want to ask those Stephen becase, because you deeply
love Jurassic Park. For anybody who is not familiar with
some of your other pods, how did you first come
to fall in love with the franchise?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh? Well, I think I'm very lucky, and I talk
about this a lot in the podcast, where it almost
feels like a flip of the coin of if you were.
I mean, look, we're twenty one, but if imagine if you.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Were born in nineteen you're with nine in front of it,
and you were.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
An adolescent in the nineties, it was really like a
flip of the coin whether or not your parents would
let you see Jurassic Park.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Mine did not. I was like grown up before I was.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
You could like meet anybody on the street and be like,
did you get to see this movie in theaters when
you were a kid? And yeah. I think it was
just like an activation moment for me because it like
obviously spurred my love of not only like science, but
also like creativity and art and stuff, because the Jurassic
Park is, like, you know, it's one of the only
things I can think of where you watch that and
you're like, I want to do what they're doing, like paleontology.

(03:58):
But also you're like, wait did they make this? Yeah,
And so I think that's like kind of just a
web like again making motions it on an audio podcast.
But you know what I mean, it just like everything
just kind of spawned from there. It's like the anchor
being of my life or whatever.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Do you think that's because your brain was squishy enough
at the time, like because of where you were in
your personal development as an absolute fetus, yes, as a
light in your father's eye.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean, I think the magic of Jurrassic Park is
that for a lot of people it really was the
first time they saw dinosaurs. And I think just for
that in and of itself, Like there's a lot of
things you see growing up where you're like even when
you're like, like, I still not that I was like
a superhero kid, but it's like I still there was
never a point where it was like, oh, these are
what superheroes are now, whereas like Jurassic Park, Like I

(04:48):
did like dinosaurs as a kid, but it was just
like the perfect squishiness.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
So you were not that kid. There's a there's a
Card against Humanity car that says, a little kid who
won't shut the f up about dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I mean I was, but I was young enough when
Dress Park came out that like it almost is kind
of like one and the same, yea like on top
of like it really is interchangeable, Like I have very
few memories of dinosaurs before Jurassic Park, Like, and again,
the only other time before that, speaking of time was
Lame before time and that was traumatizing.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
So yeah, and then you learn a little bit more
about it and it becomes even more traumatizing.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I confronted the writer Stut Creeker podcast, and I was like, oh, yeah,
traumatized an entire generation.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, well look tree stars and you're like, you know what,
It's all good.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
You're right, You're right, You're right. Were you Barney kid?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Uh? I think so?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, Like, but I feel like he's not I don't
think of him as a dinosaur. Weirdly, he's just like
a He's like Grimace that grew legs or Grimace that
grew a Tale.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
That grew legs. Yeah, famously, like it.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Was just like a weird like Ripley clone of Grimace. Yeah,
you know, Barney was just like, you know, I'm a dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
He's like, this is uh, this is Barney three. Yeah,
Barney one of the weird ones with the clones.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
So, to get a sense of your taste for our listeners,
what is your favorite Jurassic Park slash Drassic World franchise film?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I mean the original, yeah, but I have a big
love for Jurassic Park three just because it's really fun
to talk about and it's kind of ridiculous. But I
also love Fallen Kingdom because it's a little spooky and
there's a lot of animal conservation stuff as somebody like,
yeah yeah, animals. And so those are like my top
three Jurassic movies. So it's kind of a weird group,

(06:31):
but I think they're the most whimsical. Actually, I think
JP three and Long Kingdom the most whimsical Jurassic sequels. Like,
I mean, there's literally a dream sequence in Yes three.
The other Jurassic movies.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Have, I know, it's it's kind of like the middle
of West Side Story where it's like a now the
dream Pallet exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, except there's a Blosser raptor.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, well it makes everything better. Right. It's funny because
I think if you were making a list, and maybe
we will someday and you'll be back for that episode.
If you're making a listen you're ranking all of the
Jurassic franchise films, I think you have to table one
because it is so iconic and so important as not
only the thing that starts as franchise, but like as
a piece of art and as a piece of film history.

(07:11):
And I think you have to rank everything else from there.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh yeah, I mean I could just do that right now.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I mean no, no, no, no, no no, we will save
that for another hour in our view. But I do
I have any doubt that you could. I certainly do
that when the show started coming out on Netflix. Was
there ever any doubt that you were going to dive
into them? Were you cautious?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, I think as somebody who has a Jurassic
Park podcast, I think obviously that was something that I
wanted to, you know, wanted to engage with any way.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
But classic millennial Well, but I got to make up
at the content. I can't do it for the content.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
But I think that I was just excited about it because, Yeah,
I think I was a kid who always wanted Power
Rangers to happen to me. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Like you're you're somewhere and all of a sudden, zored
on like skirts you away and it's like you've been
chosen to become one of the heroes.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
What color Ranger would you have wanted to be?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, I think at the time it was like the
Blue Ranger. But obviously I'm Amy Joe Johnson for life.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, right now.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
But no, But I mean, yeah, so I think the
idea of like putting yourself in that position was just
so exciting and to me, like, I know some people disagree,
but I think Jurassic Park needs kids because that's what
makes it different from other dinosaur media. It's like you
need the adults and the kids to contrast each other.
So like literally a show where it's like from the
kids perspective. Finally, Yeah, it was just like really cool.

(08:30):
And the first season is basically like like Willy Wonka,
Like instead of going to the chocolate factory, you go
to Jurassic World for the summer, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
And you're like, what more could I possibly want? That
is my hot take about the first movie is that
they should have killed them kids absolutely, Like when they
survive and the d Rex is like coming at them
trying to come through the top of the jeep, I'm like,
eat them kids.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I mean there's a version of that, I feel like
in James Cameron's Jurassic Park maybe one, yeah for sure.
And yeah, I just covered the dinosaurs Attax trading car.
It's for Halloween, yes, and so that was a very
nihilistic kind of take on dinosaurs. That Tim Burton was
going to direct, but then saw Drastic Park and he's like, well,

(09:11):
I can't, I can't do that, so I'm just gonna
do Mars Attacks.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Can you imagine a Tim Burton directed Jurassic Park. It
would have had so many twisty trees.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
In it, I think.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Because he's acting like none of us have ever seen
German expressionism before.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
It would have been amazing to like see his stop
motion ray Harryhausen's style, like totally to that stuff. That
would have been really cool.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
So when the shows came out, were you in right
away or did it take you like because of the
pod and because of your fandom, or did it take
you like a while to be like, okay, fine, I'll
get around to watching.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh no, I was pretty much all in immediately, and then,
you know, thankfully or gratefully like started to you know,
actually interview the showrunners.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Like, Frankly, how have you not been a cameo in it?
How have you not been like a brilliant.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Hard or.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Three lines?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
No, I mean look, yeah, I mean Scott hit me up.
I would I would love to.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Let's see let's start a campaign on threads or Blue Sky.
I guess anything other than twittery.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Me being eaten by a dinosaur. That is truly that's
all I need. I don't need to write a Jurassic
Park movie or something. I mean I would, you know,
if tasked, but you know, reluctant.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
You know what I mean, like to wear the dinosaur ground.
That would be like your your greatest ambition would be
to be eaten by a dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yes, oh of course.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, which which dinosaur? Who do you want?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Like?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Does it have to be would you like it to
be one of the original kind of U cannon or
is there a classic I.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Mean, I say eaten, but actually I would want a
saur pod you know, your Brachiosaurus Prontosaurus mementos would keep
going on. I could I want to be eatd by
a tail? Oh my gosh, because that hasn't been done yet,
you know what I mean. There hasn't been a human character.
There's been human characters stepped on. Yeah, but I think
more than being like ripped in half or you know,

(10:57):
torn limb from limb or something, I want I want
to be like the crack of a tail sent into
the sun.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know that's also fun. As someone who obviously comes
like from more of a comic book perspective, because I'm like, well,
then you we haven't seen your corpse, so you could
come back, yes, yeah, from some horrible back injury.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah. I just like anime like Sparkle and then totally
and then yeah, eventually I come back with like cool
robot arms or something.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
It does.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I don't know why that would happen if I was heated,
but but why not your arms.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Got ripped off and maybe hit some trees. It does
feel like something that would happen much more in the
Godzilla franchise of True the tailwhib.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, and I'm surprised. I mean it, I mean the
show gets kind of brutal sometimes or does get pretty
cruel sometimes, so yeah, I could. I'm surprised that they
haven't gone that route, even just like seeing and then
showing all the kids' reactions.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
To be like, h you know, yeah it does. It's
interesting because for a show that is all ages, I
would say, because I do feel like you could show
either cam cretaceous or chaos theory. They flow for anyone
it doesn't know, they flow right into one of other. Yes,
it's a different title, but it is very much the
same universe.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, it's like a sequel series. It takes place six yeah,
something like that, because it's because it.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
And I'm getting it confused because there are six sort
of main characters. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, there's like yeah, because the first season takes place
during the events of Jurassic World around to Fall and
King to the opening of Fan Kingdom. Then the Kast
Theory takes place during the Dominion era.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
So I will say that I do think Jurassic Park
slash Jurassic World has a very clear timeline. And it's
only with the shows where you're like, wait, whence does
this take place? And that is just because it's being
made by a completely not a completely different team, because
there are like I know, Colin Trevoro is involved in
Spielberg is involved, but like it's made in a different
bubble than the movies are made in.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, well I think, I mean, I think Clone Wars
is really in rebels are like the clearest analogs because
those shows were made in response to the prequels, and
I think similarly, Drassic World and ks Theory are responses
to the Jurassic World original Dress World trilogy, where it's
like here's all the cool things or things that people
wanted to linger on and you're like, you're like, wait,

(13:09):
there there's a black market with dinosaurs. Yeah, and we
just see it for like five minutes, like let's spend
a whole season here, like seeing it all.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
It's low key one of my favorite things that they
explore in like a longer story, Lie, because I was like,
I think that's where I would live if I was
in this world, that is where I would want to be.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
What would you be selling? Ooh?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Probably I would probably be the person who has the
casts of the feet, okay, because I'm very into like
going out and foraging things, but I don't want to
touch a dead animal.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay, you know i'd be selling my services like i'd
maybe i'd be like Dewanda Wise where she yes like
a dinosaur and be like if you need anything, like
hit me up and like you know, Billy the the
Billy the an Kylosaurus and we'll like we'll I'll like
trample people for you or something. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm truly imagining you just as miss Frizzle with a
ten tiny little dino on your shoulder, like Liz being
like I will take you wherever you need it. I
have all the information about how to get you there
and all the fun facts that you would need along.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
The way, and I'll do that. That feels a little
less violent. I just said the black market. There's a
lot of shadiness going on.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, for sure. It is very reminiscent of rebels. So
I do think that's a really smart comparison. You tease
this a little bit in our intro, but tell us
a little bit about some of your favorite characters and
relationships from the whole series the shows.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, I mean I love Brooklyn because Brooklyn, I.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Mean, bro, I want to talk about it. Who spoiler
alert If you haven't seen it and you're you're thinking
about investing in the shows, get forward like thirty seconds
we're gonna I'm gonna spoil it in three to one
talk about someone should hit them kids, like for Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I love Brooklyn, but I mean literally an influencer turned
true crime journalists, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, truly could not have been wait did you aspire
Brooklyn issue?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
But I mean that very fun where you're like, oh,
this in this world of the types of characters, kids
and stuff, you have like again the several kids whose
parents work there or some sort of working relationship there.
And then you have like this the athlete like of course,
like like Zoos or like or Disneyland like places will

(15:14):
sponsor people, so like that makes sense. Then you have
like the kid who's lucky to be there, the Charlie Bucket,
you know, Adarius, And then yeah, I think of course
Dresser World would be inviting influencers or inviting people creating
content about Jurassic World, you know what I mean. So
that to me is just very relatable.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's it's so funny because not to dive too much
into like real world or politics or something. If Jurassic
World did become a thing in our world, would there
be a whole group of influencers whose entire pitch was like,
this is a conspiracy theory and it's not real. Dinosaurs
are not real, right, I could see that, like the
anti park Antlers.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know, I mean that's the thing of like
and it's we're already done in this rabbit hole. I
on on the podcast, I had a bunch of really
fun comedians and people Buddy Omar that we know love
like read my childhood Jurassic fan fiction.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh that might be my favorite episode. I'm not gonna lie.
I love Cringey. Cringey fanfic really speaks to my.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Heart, celebrating how bad it is just being like the
mind of a child, and most most people, like Mary
Holland or like Jackie Johnson or Ally Ward being like
did your parents know how violent this was?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
But it's either going to go violent or sexual?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah? Yeah, but but it was the thing of like
as a kid too, of like even at that age,
and again loving animals like oh, if Jurassic Park existed,
there would be people protesting ites like oh it's not
it's not right to keep these animals here or whatever.
And again that's why I like Fallen Kingdom so to me,
I also love Brooklyn because it is like a character
who at the first is just like, oh my god,

(16:52):
like what's up Brooklanders, like let's check out box drastic
World with me, and then being like oh God, what
have we done? And then like using their plan to
try and like do good. Yeah, Like I you know,
that plot about it all thought very relatable that it's
like once you're out there seeing the world, you're like, oh,
I can't like Am I really just gonna like go
hang out with dinosaurs or am I going to actually

(17:14):
try and do something about helping them?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I do feel like that would also be a very funny,
uh like character TikTok for you to run where you
were just like very poorly cosplaying as Brooklyn and doing unboxing.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Kelly who took over the role. Yeah, for cast theory
is incredible, but I did enjoy. There is one promo
I think for like season two of Cam gretaceoushere Jenna
Ortega just dressed up as brook Glynn, like put on
a pink waig and everything, and I was like that,
that's so fun. But I mean, you really could get
all the kids and you were talking about how like
the communication between them is kind of only one way.

(17:50):
But it's like at this point now they've aged the
kids up enough where you're like all the characters basically
look like their characters in real life, or the characters.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
There like the act actor in real life mean and like.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yoursen's limb difference, and like that's being part of the
again semi spoilers, I guess, but like you know what
I mean, like they could theoretically in a future dressic
have them pop up in live action.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Okay, I'm so glad you touched on that, because I
do have a question about melding sort of the two
sides of the world together. But Stephen, our dinos here
are hungry. Brego is hungry, Bronto, Brego is hungry. So
we have to take a quick break and we will
be right back to talk about merging the animated and
live action worlds. Stephen is acting out a dinosaur eating

(18:31):
like a good podcasterm moving back right after this, GHL.
We are back with Stephen Ray Morris as Ashley Victoria Robinson.
I appreciate the use of all three names, and I'm
gonna sidebar and ask, uh for why do you use
all three of your names?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Just because Stephen Morris is boring? And when I was
a freshman in college, like because again we're twenty one, yes,
so two three years ago, but being one of the
first generations of Facebook. U yeah, yeah, you know, it
just was a way to like set myself apart. And
it's my actual middle name, and so my grandfather's name,
and it's my mom's name sort of because my mom's Ramona. Yeah,

(19:10):
but she's a she's technically a junior because my grandfather's
name is Raymond, so.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
You could be of the third when you get in
your very bougierra.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, Steven Rymore is the third, even though
yeah again it's my middle name. But yeah, it just
sounds nice.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Somebody said it sounds like a jazz singer one time,
and it does, you know what, I'm locking into this
and then obviously working on my favorite murder for many years,
people are like three names and you're like, no, the
only reason why they used three names to differentiate that
serial killer from anybody else with the same same name.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, that's so funny because at my when I was
in my first year of university, there were five Ashley
Robinson's at my school, University of Ottawa, Canada's national university.
So I was like, well, I guess I will be
using the.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Or I feel like, yeah, I feel like because you
also do like the Ashley v. Robinson is super fun,
Victoria Robinson super fun. You have a preference over the
using the full of Victoria or just that, I mean
the V is just very like Ashley versus Robert.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, exactly, Uh no, the V is more four. If
there's a character limit, like so for for pop Verse
and for Twitter, when Twitter was a thing, there was
a character limit, so I couldn't have Victoria. So then
for all handles, it's v But if I'm gonna do what,
I prefer to use all three of my names. My

(20:24):
mom tells the story. It could be apocryphal. I don't
remember my birth, but she tells the story that when
I was born, then Ashy Victoria Robinson, and the doctor
said that's a big name and a lot to live
up to. So I'm always curious why other people choose
to do it. Also, actually Robinson is a w NBA
player and she is six feet tall, and I don't
want to fight her for se ocause she could probably

(20:45):
beat me up. But she lives in LA and I've
never met her.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
But also, I mean, look, Rare is we have to
we already have big shoes to fill anyway.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And we have to be terminally unique.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean we have Look we have
are we have the spectrum, which is the Paul Rudd
to Mariah Carey scale, you know what I mean, Like
that's the that's the and I feel like we're kind
of I think maybe I lean more little Paul Red Selena.
I'm not saying you are totally Mariah Carey, but I
feel like you're a little more aries than I am.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think that's it. But I'm an Aria, Sun Moon
Rising and Mercury.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
So the universe was like, no, but.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
You're the Ares. I aspire to be you and Selena.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know, well, I mean we could. We could never
be as good as Selena. Now we're going to do
in a whole nother round where we're gonna go through
all the characters, including the dinosaurs, and ask what their
astrological signs are.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, that's good. I think I've actually figured it out
for the entire Jurassic Park cast, the original cast. Interesting
that there's no Aris in Jurassic Park.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
That's simply incorrect. Is there a bunch of Leos?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
No, Nedrie is the only Leo, which I think is
makes Yeah, but no, But I think it makes sense
that Jurassic Park, because it's such an ensemble movie, that
there wouldn't be any Aris. Is it pogging up the screen?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
There's got to be a bunch of geminis though, because
they all very smart.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's actually of virgos.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, I believe that.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I believe sam Neil uh, Richard Attenborough, and Samuel Jackson
are all virgos. And yeah, Laura, Laura durn is obviously
an aquarius, yes, queen. And Jeff Coblman is a Libra
and he's the most Libra to ever libred.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, true. I was gonna say we talk about laern
is frequent cosplay.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yes, Yes, that's the most drastic park cosplay I think
I've done at this point.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, tbd, there's always time.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, that's true. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm really going
to go ham on being in gen Worker number.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I mean, that would be wear pink. That would be
the kind of thing where if you were going to
like New York Comic Understanding and you wanted like your
incognito time, that's the kind of outfit that you put on.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Right, true? Yeah, well, I mean if I put on
the Nagerie, I feel like that'd be pretty like yeah,
you know what I mean, Like that's normally what I wear.
Have not?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
You also cosplayed as double fisting Margarita, yes, for Rest
in Peace. Yeah okay, But before we got on a
total tangent, as we are one to do, we talked
a little bit about characters potentially crossing over from the
animated series into live action. I also want to ask
the other way around, So do you have characters from

(23:13):
the shows that you are desperate to see in live action?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah? I mean I again, I think you could. Really,
I mean, I think you could. I think Darius like
totally could work in live action. Paul McHale is such
a great actor, and I think he would totally work
in live action.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I also think Kenji would be so good in live action.
And I had to pull up I'm so sorry to
this incredibly attractive man because Darren Barnett, who provides his voice,
is like on a doctor show right now, Okay, Like
there's a lot. And then I'm also probably gonna mispronounce
her names. I've never heard it said out loud, but
Dike and Lachman, see there we go.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well, she was in Dominion, so she's actually a live
action Oh I.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Did, Yeah, I know her from Dullhouse. I was like,
to me, she's the most obvious crossover.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, I mean she was. I mean her role in
Dominion is very like against diminutive. Like everyone in Dominion.
They had like one great scene and then they're just
never seen from again, and I think that's why.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I've got to revisit it and be like Okay, I'm
like a yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And I'm like she is she is in the top
three Jurassic villains for me, I think it's Nedrie and
I mean it has to be Camo and like her,
you know what I mean, Like I think that they're
they bring so much and there's like a lot of
flare and yeah, I don't know, we need like anytime
they have, Like the villains in Jurassic Park are either

(24:35):
you know, smart smart weirdos or yeah, or jungle guys.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah you know what I mean. But also so are
the heroes in a lot of ways. And then there's
like the woman who actually knows everything.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, but yeah, I love Cina Santos but yeah, yeah,
she's again. She shows up so briefly in Dominion You're like, oh,
I want more of her, and then they're like, oh, actually,
let's give a whole season where she's like that guy.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I feel like post severance, now she is finally getting
her due and she has been amazing across the board
for like one hundred million years.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
No, yeah, she always pops and everything.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
My number one choice to crossover on at the shows
is always Queen Bryceles Howard because I love her and
I want more of her in every possible way, and
I have no idea how to do it, but I
just I just want her water animation.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, iconic Pisces, and like, I know that if we met,
we would become best friends.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, I mean, I what was I going to say
about that about Bryceless Howard. I'm so she's so game
and she was actually such a huge cheerleader for the
World franchise that I'm surprised that she didn't pop up
in any of the shows.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I just interviewed her this past New York Comic Con
and oh yeah, I thin guess all that she is
one one of the most beautiful people I've ever beheld
in my life. Two so nice and normal, and I
mean that as.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
She is, like I truly, I mean there was a while.
I mean I probably still do it at some point,
but I would love to trace her journey from being
an actor to being like, like, I think we're not
going to remember Brycels Howard as an actor.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
We're going to know her as a film I was
going to say, And I feel like now that she's
in her like director Era, Project Starter and producer Era,
that's why we're seeing less of her on screen. She
had these amazing nails on a comic on and I
was like, oh my god, I love your nicks. I
bite my fingernail so I never have nice nails. And
she was like, I've been doing a lot of directing
for the PASTI I haven't acted for the past year.
And She's like, there's a lot of pointing that you
get to do. And I just thought that was like

(26:22):
so funny and.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, no, I yeah, Molly Damon from Star Wars explained
and I the whole episode talking about her Star Wars
directed episodes.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I feel like she could direct a dress word movie though.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's literally all I've been campaigning for. I think, guys,
I think the only reason why she hasn't is because,
you know, the reception to the World movies were kind
of not you know, I think they were getting less
and less.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I think they'd be mixed.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, yeah, they were very mixed, and so I think
if they were going to have her come back, I
think they would give it enough time where then people
would be nostalgic for her and her character, not that
she would even be like the star of it, although
obviously if she's directing a Jurassic World sequel, which I
think she would be great at because she is like
of the Ambulance school, like Balancing Heart, and you know,
her Skeleton cre episode was like one of the best,

(27:09):
like her Skeleton Care episode. Her Booba Fa episodes are
like some of the best Star Wars period. So I
think they would want to wait, maybe for a while,
and then people be like, oh my god, we're so
excited for like Rice to pop in and like say
hi to Jonathan Bailey.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
You know what I mean, like People Magazine sexiest Man
in the World, which, if I can outf for my opinion,
this is the first time they've got it right in
a long time. I know. Yes, clarinetis so the star.
Yeah exactly. No, that's fine. We can say that kind
of a swear. We just can't say the really bad
swears or else Apple Podcast gets mad at us, so

(27:42):
we try to only say the little baby squares a
Little baby squares baby swears. Any other crossover characters you
want to see.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
From from live action to animation.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Let's go both ways, Well we go both ways.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Ye. I mean, look, I would love to see Sammy
Yas in live action. I mean Coster Muhammad, who is
wonderful also friend to Omer and yes he directed her
in a movie.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh my gosh. What a weird small world.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I know.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I know Omar very much is. And for anyone who's listening,
Omar has been our reoccurring guest on the Holiday episodes
for like the last three or four years. He was
in Red Shirt Diaries. He has the lynch pin and
like the hinge yeah yeah, yeah, and everyone you want
to know in La in a very weird way.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
But I think her character, I mean, I think both
her and Sammy are great characters. Obviously Sammy coming from
this like I am forced to like be a bad
guy sort of at the start of the show. Yea, yeah,
really growing into her own is this like really warm?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I think forced is the key word.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but becoming this really like warm character.
Who Also, it's nice when a character who's like fun
can also be going through something and it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Like the very She's not just the comic rele She's
not just It's like when Mary and Pippin finally get
a character arc in return of the case, You're like, yes,
they're actualized heroes.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Now, yeah, exactly, they're not just the sidecharacters. That's actually
really good. Yeah, I'd never thought of it like that before.
And then I just love yes because I want yes
to step on me, but like, you know what I mean,
you know what I mean, Yes, But I just like
that kind of like Moody like again hard to love
but has a heart of gold. And then actually seeing

(29:12):
that character grow through the show is like has been
so cool and like getting again like again a show
like like these shows getting to be like oh people
have PTSD from their experience, yeah, you know, and like
which actions like actually getting to talk about that stuff
is really cool.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I'm so glad you brought that up because I want
to ask you about sort of the intersection of entertainment
and education, because I feel like you do a lot
of that with your projects, because you do a lot
of activism and you do a lot of you raise
a lot of money and you're like Party two events
that raise a lot of money from great organizations, and
I feel like, for me, when you're trying to create

(29:49):
an all ages Jurassic World show, education is really important
and I admire how campqutaceous and chaos theory don't just
do it about like this is what a sources, but
it does extend into things like mental health and well
being yeah, and identity issues. Yeah. Yeah, So I would
like to know for you, is this an important intersection

(30:13):
and is it inevitable when you're adapting Dress Park into
a show for someone all in all ages audience.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, I mean well, I mean Jurassic Park was eduitatement.
I mean there's literally a short film explaining DNA in
the beginning, you know what I mean, Like I talked
to this geneticist Alex Denai Deny and just being like, oh, like,
not only was Jurassic Park like maybe the first time
people would see dinosaurs, but it was also the first
time like we learned about DNA.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, and genes and genomes.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah. And Jurassic Park is also a movie that you know,
on on Spielberg's own personal mission to normalize divorce and
movies like Jurassic like I interviewed a psychologist about divorce
in the Drastic franchise, like Jurassic Park actually talks about
a lot of stuff beyond just like it weaves into
the fabric that stuff without you know, necessarily being like, oh,

(30:59):
this is movie. It's like no, like every Jurassic Park
movie basically has divorced parents in it somewhere.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yes, either either like Rolodex say it.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Right, Kelly his daughter and JP three you have the
bumbling you know, Talioni and William H. Macy who like
who are divorced and like dealing with like oh, there's
like Talione's boyfriend and like that kind of a concept
when you're a kid. And then you know Jurassic World,
it's like the parents are splitting up, so they're sending
their kids to to Jurassic World to be taken care of,

(31:31):
you know, by I mean sort of taking.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Taking care of you eaten. We love it when they
get eaten, I just say.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And then you know, and then eventually like going full
like oh, well, here's actually a cloned child with no
parents and or you know, a clone child who's whose
original version cloned themselves to like save their life basically
like in the next generation or whatever. So I don't know, Yeah,
I mean I think you it would be I think yeah,

(32:03):
it would be boring if cam Cretaceous had just been
about like, oh, every week we're gonna learn about a
different dinosaur. I mean, like, I mean, that's part of it.
But ultimately I feel like all the cool kid drama
is actually like really thoughtful, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
It's less magic school bus to continue that now where
where it's like and here is a food chain. Yeah,
and now we're gonna explain to you what the food
chain is.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah. And there's like a lot of like even like
platonic stuff in it, which is really interesting too, because
I feel like as kids, the shows that we watch,
it was like, you know, it's either like enemies to
lovers or friends to lovers, but this is like, oh no,
there's like a platonic love you can have for your
friends that I don't know. It feels really unique to me.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
And that is okay, yeah normal, and in fact you
should have it or else you'll be twenty one and
be like why don't I have any friends?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And like again like very positive masculinity too, of like
all the of all the guy characters being like kind
of very intimate and sweet with each other in a
way that like I don't think my guy friends, you know,
my bros.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
What would be nice if it was normal, right, yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I like, like I always talk about it. It's like
I don't think my like again, like I don't think
like hugging a guy friend didn't even like occur to
me until like right at the end of high school.
Again we're only twenty one.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, it's exactly, but you know what.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I mean, Like and I feel so like again like
looping background of like I'm so grateful for this show
because like, like this is this would be such a
good example to show any young any young, anywady. But yeah,
like I feel like, yeah, I don't know, it's crazy.
It's kind of nuts actually thinking about it, Like how
sweet it is.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Actually I love the memes that are like tell your
friends you love them. Make it weird. Yeah, but I'm like,
but but do yeah, doude, tell your grad that you love.
Is there anything that we haven't brought up that you
think is an important storytelling element in a Jurassic Park adaptation?
Excuse me, I mean we talked.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
About the edutainment. We talked about like there is you know.
I think that's why I love genre stuff, because you
can hit it hard and hit at stuff without having
to be like this is an episode where I'm sad
about this thing. Yeah, you know that. I think the
notion of like, you know, Weirdly, even though Dress Park
is like about more it's less trying to think. Like

(34:15):
there's like stuff with like parents in this too that
I think is really interesting without necessarily showing parents, and
like the idea that that the like the tech world
is different from science and so by having parents who
like you know, like what one like Ben's parents just
work at Jurassic World, Sammy's parents are blackmailed. Yeah, and

(34:39):
then you have you know, Kenji whose dad is a villain. Like,
by having this different variety of like the adult world
is something that is almost like separate from authority and stuff.
I don't know, I guess I'm rambling here, but like
you know what I mean, like there, that's what we're
here for. But there's just notions of like I think
some people, you know, it's like then meme of like

(35:01):
you know, actually Jurassic Park isn't about science, run a munk,
It's about capitalism, you know, essentially, And I think and
then in at least with with a Jurassic adaptation, I
think you have to talk about that, you know, in
you know, it's it's I would say, less hard hitting
than say the Alien franchise, you know, yeah, yeah, it
is the nihilistic, cool older sister of the Drassic Park

(35:22):
franchise very much, so I think you can still talk
about that stuff, and especially like later seasons of Camportaceous
and Chaos Theory, which talk like about the dangers of
the aloofness of like people involved in the tech world.
That I think is very much like a big part
of Jurassic from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
How long until they take on? AI think is the
real question up against it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Four and five or maybe just five of captationous that's
very Westworld.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
It is very West World. I mean then that's kind
of also like a cousin to the Jurassic franchise. What
do you think about the designs of the dinos because
we've talked a lot about the human characters. Yea, but
I think about like the atros raptors in particular, because
there's the forsome of them, a ghost tranterra tiger red red.
It was like not blue, it's not blue.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Like.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I love their design and I think that the show
does a really good job at melding like style and
scientific substance.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
I mean I would almost argue that, especially with chaos theory.
I mean there's moments, especially in the original Campctaceous show
that maybe it's because the whole thing is animated. Yeah,
there's a way that like they really I don't know,
like add a lot to the dinosaurs where you're like, oh,
I love these Jurassic designs. Like it's a very specific

(36:38):
design language that Jurrassic Park has always had. But I
like that you almost get to like celebrate it more
rather than like it's not like they're super stylized of
the show. I'd almost argue that they're probably even like
using the same models as the Drastic World trilogy and
just making them pop a little bit more. But I
think that's like all you kind of need.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Because I think I'm just maybe that's the reason I
used that word is because the color palette is brighter.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah the movies so no, but yeah, you get to
celebrate those differences more where you're kind of like in
the World movies, you know, they kind of have to
sit in reality, whereas like now you can be like, oh,
you know, the Carnatorus is just like so devilish.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Or like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Raptor in.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Later cast theory is like amazing, and then you have
like Beckel spine X or like even the Delaphosaurus is
like coming back in cast theory and stuff. It's very cool. Yeah,
I don't know, it's like you just get to celebrate
it more because you're not trying to be like, Okay,
how how can we make this realistic?

Speaker 1 (37:33):
It's like we can give them some fun eyes in this. Yeah,
maybe they can have almost like the suggestion of an eyebrow.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don't know, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Are there any dinos that you would like to see
in animation that you have it yet?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
That's a good question. I mean I want to.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I mean because post World, like it is a mix
of things we recognize and then original creation.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's definitely a lot more new dinosaurs
and all the shows. You know again Beckel's Spinex and Monolopus.
I'm trying to think we will be I mean, I'm
like surprised we haven't seen like a Bleizia sore or
or which are marene reptiles? Don't come after me.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Even someone's already composing.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Calling a Moses a dinosaur I feel.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I can see your love of sharks bleeding through and
then this, Yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Mean, I just am. I'm always just rooting for like
my favorite dinosaurs. So like Shennosaurus is Shinosaurus is a
sauropod that has a club tail, and it's not really
represented in Western media at all, essentially because you're like, wait,
you mean like a small like you know, we think
of all like a potosaurus or brackets, but imagine like
a soaro pod half its size the club tail.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
That honestly sounds great, right.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
And then Shantungasaurus, which is imagine like a parasolophus or
like a mayas or a like duckbill dinosaur, but imagine
it bigger than a t rex.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I love that, yeah, exactly, And again it's.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Another dinosaur that's not really represented by Western media that.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Much other than in the Meg two oh my god,
not the Meg franchise.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You see a dead shantunga Saurus on the beach, and
I was just like, this is the first represented in
Western media, and it's lunch.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I just have to say, because I interviewed the gentleman
who wrote the books that the Meg books, because I
was like, I didn't know they were books. The amount
of actual science and research in the books versus in
the movie franchise is unreal. I learned a lot reading those.
Oh I have to read that, and I was like, oh, cool,
because like we all kind of know what megaladons are
because they're big scary sharks. And he posits like exactly,

(39:48):
but even more terrifying, he posits like a really interesting
scientific theory about like how they could have survived that.
The movie is just like no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. You supper on a three D.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's that yeah, yeah, there's a layer of you know,
I guess goo prevents life from coming back up from
under the seat.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
And you're like, m I think not, Stephen. I want
to ask you one more question about animation. But it's
about that time again where we have to go and
throw some coats out to feed the dynos, which means
you have to feed the pod by listening to a
few ads. So we'll be right back. We are back

(40:28):
on geek history, lesson talking Jurassic World with Stephen Ray
Morris are living airhorn. Oh I thought you were doing
the crowd, but you were doing it, and I was
like everybody each.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yearing and they're being eaten by the crowd.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Oh no, oh no, Rip did all the listeners. This
was a great and wonderful happy time. If I'm the
Queen of all media and I let you make a
new Jurassic World show for me, and I tell you
that you can have a completely different style of animation,
what would you like to see for future series? I
know you're a big Miyazaki girlie uh Getty Tartakovski's primal

(41:09):
comes to mind, But tell me, tell me what the
new look for the show is that you would have
me green light.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
God, I mean obviously Miyazaki. I mean I just like,
I don't know if the types of stories that I
necessarily want out of Jurassic I would want done in
the Miyazaki style, because like so much of Miyazaki is
like stillness and vibes. Yeah, and just like a slow
piano clinking as like like grass wafts in the Yeah, God,

(41:34):
they all kind of goo like.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Nobody roars.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I mean technically that's you know t Rex. You you know,
you hear like when they're like blowing through their cranial,
you know, their skull cavity. It's just like, yeah, it's
just slow vibrations that would intimidate, you know, creatures.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
But that's like the video where you hear what a
bald eagle actually sounds. Like the sound that we play
for ball eagles is the sound of red tailed hawk,
because bald eagles make really high pitched, silly sounding noises.
Doesn't sound intimidating. It's all very squawky.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's all very squawky, you know. I think, you know what. Look,
I'm gonna go home, Star Runner, you know what.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Okay, So we're making the adult swim Jurassico.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
We're going to a Jurassic World.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
But we cast like a really excellent like a like
Jonathan Bailey is the lead doing that level that reminds
me of like when Dan Stevens joined till Her Opposites
where like it's very very silly, but it's just Dan
Stevens being British and Dan Stevens, Oh wow, it's so funny.
You are a prolific collector, collect many things made Jurassic themes,

(42:45):
see curator like that archivist. Do you have any of
the archivists? Do you have any of the merch or
collectibles from these shows?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yes, but I unfortunately don't have. I'm pretty sure I
have the entire Camp fam from Camp Cretaceous. One of
my favorite things to do is take a motorbike. I
think it's owing great Chris Pratt's motorbike from Jurassic World.
But then I put Sammy driving and yeahs with it.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Oh my god, I love that.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, a dinosaur. But I actually don't believe I have any.
I think the cast theory stuff was a little harder
to come by.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I feel like when I when I cast my mind back,
like Camp Critation also had them. Did they have McDonald
or Burger King McDonald with the with the little Eggy
is like, I feel like they had a lot more
merch associated with them.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, Camp Critations had more merch. I mean Cast three
is in that liminal space of like, you know, clone
Wars and rebels totally you know what I mean. There
is a little bit more of an acknowledgment that this
isn't necessarily just only for kids.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yes, we were like, oh the audience isn't just ten
years old?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Okay, yeah, but yeah, there isn't other than again Mattel's
great toys of stuff, it was a little hard to
find and again it's like, there's only so many dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I can totally.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
But I do have a T shirt of Bumpy that
says cuddle bumps on.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Is it an adult size? Oh wow? Because I was like,
I will just wear children's merch. I do not care.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's very adorable because Bumpy as a little broken anky,
you know. Finding Emo's style with like the little off
center horns was very adorable.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Is there any piece of merch that you would like
to see come out of the series. I mean, again,
on the Queen of All Media, I can give you
whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I mean, I just want to set of the camp
fam as adults together, because yeah, that's just what I
don't have. And I don't even know if they ended
up releasing all the kids as in their Chaos Theory form.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
It does feel like something that you could buy at
an overpriced ticket at a convention, right. It feels like
something that you would sell at San Diego or New
York or some specific event, and they would make five
hundred of them and then we would spend the rest
of our life trying to buy the money. BA.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I mean, look, do I have all of George Lucas's
family as action figures that was sold in a set
from the Revenge of the Sith looks.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Who can possibly say George Lucas.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
As the as the guy going into the opera with
his daughters and then Jet Lucas as the Jedi that
that gets killed, but bail Organa goes no, you know,
as he gets shot up by the by the Clone troopers.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Bail Aganna is is daddy. Jimmy Smits is so hot.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
That's honestly what I want. I think I would just want, yeah,
like I would just want like a full diorama set
of that of those characters altogether.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
I think that's an excellent answer, and I can't believe
it doesn't exist, to be honest, But you know what,
there's seasons out, there's time.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, Mattel has been. They
got they got kind of blindsided by Rebirth coming out
being made in less years, so they were like to
like make it work and so hopefully again that there
literally was like a legacy Raptor set where it had
a Raptor from Jurassic Park Lost World in JP three
is the package, So I think there's like room for

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that stuff. Yeah, I think people again because I think
now there's gonna be a whole generations of kids growing
up with these shows, and.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
That's going to be their gateway to the films. Yeah yeah,
instead of the other way around like us.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, Like literally a few years ago, there was tons
of Lost World characters in merch and I was just like,
who was asking for this? I think like, yeah, like
at some point there's gonna be a ground swell to
have like better camp cretaceous and chaos theory stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
So as we're wrapping up, I want to ask you
a couple rapid fire questions about chaos theory. It's going
to be who is the best actor? What is your
favorite scene? I'm gonna ask you to rate it, and
then we're gonna I'm ask you what do you think
it's impact on pop culture is? So Stephen, who is
the best actor in Jurassic World Chaos theory?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I mean, Kirsten Kelly like really knocks out, given so
much to do and has to carry so much of
the show.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
And the legacy of the character as well.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah yeah, and also Kirsten, Yeah, you're also Kirsten Kelly
coming in and having to take over a role and
make it her own and Yeah, it's like you kind
of even forget that she didn't voice the character and
during Camp Cretaceous.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
No, it's actually really bizarre to be like, hmm, I mean.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I loved it or take all of course, but it
was just one of those things where like, yeah, it
wasn't it was like truly I imagine it feels like
it must have been a huge challenge and it just
feels like really effortless, like you're just really invested in
Brooklyn Stephen.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
What is your favorite scene that you have seen so
far from only the first four series?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Ooh, my favorite scene in Chaos Theory.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
My god, this is anything in the black Market.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, I mean the black Market stuff is really good.
I mean I also, okay, there's a lot here, I know,
trying thing. I mean, I really like the scene of
when they visit of you know, like again in Chaos Theory,
Samy and Yazz kind of start off a little rocky,

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and I just really love all their scenes together of
like having their own journeys but still being a relationship.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
And then you know, I don't know, and an he's
appropriate relationship. I will say, at no point did they
they are kind of on the aang and Katara Path
where I'm like, at no point doesn't feel icky. It
always feels good.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, No, for sure, even when it hurts Iteah, Like
I don't know, it's it's just you're like, yeah, I
don't know. They're They're my favorite Jurassic couple periods, so like,
you know, I just like any scene with them, and
then like scenes where they where it's that very kid
thing where you're reminded that they are young, where it's
like talking to Ben and Ben's like I don't know
what's going on. Yeah, but it's like because they like

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Yeaz came out to him first about Sammy. Like seeing there,
seeing that kind of friendship and dealing with that is
really interesting.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So well, on the podcast, we rate things on a
scale of one to five bregos. You can do a half,
but you have to specify if it's the front half
or the back half and give you reasoning why. So
on a scale of one to five bregos, how would
you rate all of the seasons of Chaos Theory that
are out? I mean, no spoilers, it's can I give
it ten to of course, you can do whatever I want.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Just think it again, I said at the top. It's
it's the show I wish I had had growing up
for more than even just being a drastic Park thing,
because there was a Jurassic Park animated show being worked
on in nineteen ninety three, like you.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Can oh, there's no way it was, Like it would
not have been like you can.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
See you can go online and read the scripts, like
you can see the Williams stout like you know podcast
episode on that. No I haven't actually done it.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Oh you have on it, but like okay, because I
was like I would listen to that, and how have
I not heard it?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
If you can see, you know, it was very much
like a nineties animated kids show like Godzilla, like Beetle Juice,
like Dress, like Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters, like Men in Black, where
it is just more adventures than it's like each you know,
very much in the style of how kitchens were done then,
whereas like yeah, Dress, uh, cam, Cretaceous and casts theory

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really are.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Like overarching narratives character development.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, given the weight in this, in the in the
genuine sincerity that like I didn't think we'd ever get
something like this, you know what I mean, Like it
just feels like it's given so much more. It's more
than than the sum of its parts. I think.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Well, my final question was going to be what is
the impact on pop culture? But I think you've kind
of nailed it with that, so I'm gonna ask you
my silly end question instead. Uh, If you could be
any dinosaur, which would you most want to be?

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I mean I'd be like a Shunosaurus or a Brachiosaurus. Like,
I'd just be a long neck, you know, I'd be
a little foot, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
A classic.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
They're the most beautiful dynoasas or my favorite diynosaurs meeting.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I just want to be I just want to be
a sora pod. I want to have four legs and
a long tail and a long neck and just eat
three stars all day.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Oh that's so beautiful, Steven. Uh. If you want more
Jurassic content and to check out, you can go over
to Geeki history lesson dot com slash recommended Reading. We're
going to recommend all the movies and all of the series,
so you can go and get them there. In your
form of choice, I'll say.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
If you want to there's one ya, Well, there's there's
there's essentially one young adult ya, Jurassic book called The
Evolution of Claire.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I will be out that.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
And it's really fun because imagine if you're seeing when
Claire did ash summer internship at Jurassic World. Oh, she
obviously falls in love with a boy who's there, and
you know.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
I'm going to assume it goes south.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Potentially. You know, it's a bunch of interns running around
Jurassic World, you know, and and love and trouble and see.
But it's really cool because yeah, like it's just they
haven't done that much expanded universe stuff in the book
world of Jurassic And it's the one example that's like,
I think, very excellent, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
If anybody listening is not already following you, what are
they even doing with your life? But where can they
follow you? How can they support you? How can they
give you money? All of that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I mean, see Jurassic Right on Everything, Steve Verey Morris
on Everything Over on the Sea, Jurassic Right Patreon. I'm
doing full length Jurassic Park commentaries right now. So oo
fun to actually hear me talk all the way through
all the Jurassic Park movies. Obviously there's only seven of them,
but we'll be jumping into like I might eventually do
commentarists for every Camp Cretaceous and Chaos three episode Alien

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franchise as well, which I've been covering a lot on
the Jurassic right, And I also do another bonus episode
where my friend and wildlife artist Strange Bird Art, where
we just talk about the dinosaur news of the month.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Oo.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yeah, yeah, just because it's one of those things where
you're like, is my dinosaur knowledge end in nineteen ninety three?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, So we basically just been going through that in
Paleontology news every month and looking at stuff so and.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Realizing how little we actually know about science because we
don't have real degrees exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah, but you get to hear us learned it together
and you know, break it down and make it simple
or at least, you know, make it more legible.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
What have we learned today? Well, today we learned that
the Jurassic Franchise is so much more than just an
epic show about dinosaurs. We have learned that Chaos Theory
is about to come out with the new season and
break our hearts. And we have learned that Stephen Ray
Morris just wants to eat a tree star or maybe
be yeaded off this planet by a brachiosaurs.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
If you want more geek History lesson, you can follow
us on all social medias at geek History Lesson. If
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him into to talk about cats. So we're going from
one animal obsession to another, and it's the conversation I've
been dying to have. You can follow me on all

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social media at Ashley B. Robinson. You can follow Jason
at jowin Jawi N unless you're on TikTok. I believe
he's Jason Inman writer over on TikTok, but he never
posts there, so don't even worry about it. Thank you
so much again, Steven for joining us to talk Jurassic
World television shows.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
We'll talk about for hours, but well, well just a
perfect primer for everybody.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yes, and then we'll have you back to talk more
Jurassic and more other things very very soon. Thank you
so much for listening. Everybody and class is now dismissed.