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This week YOU lead the Fantastic Four discussion! We answer your questions about everything Marvel's First Family from stories we love, tropes we want to retire, characters we want to see more of, and moments we never want to hear referenced ever again. Did your question make it to air? Listen to the full episode & find out!


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Oh, Ashley, look, I got a letter.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah you did.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I got a letter just from a fine cat.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Wow. And not from a silver surfer.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
It was being held by a flying robot. Wow. Some
words and this letter is Okay, let me see here,
how long comes from? Uh Frankie Frankerson, who says, Ashley,
who's your favorite member of the Fantastic Four?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Herbie, duh?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, the let's let's limit it to the four.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
The actual four, not the FF, not the auxiliary members,
not the children.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
It was not like the X Men, and we're not
gonna we can't have five thousand members of the Fantastic Four.
Let's stick stick with the original four.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
There's only one possible answer to this question, Uh, the
thing Storm? Okay, obviously Sustor Hight.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Why Sustorm for you?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Because he's a woman, and that's feminism.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Sue Storm is a character who I think has a really,
really great trajectory because.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
When you read the og.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Fantastic Four by Stanley and Jack Kirby, and obviously it's
it's commendable in terms of its impact on comics. There's
a lot of things to be lauded, but Sue is
a bit of a shrinking Violet and that's just systemic
of the time and the style of writing women and
then all these other things and Sue And it's something
that I learned through you and your love of this

(01:34):
character grows up to be arguably the most powerful and
most important member of the team, and she's a mom
while she does it, Like she exemplifies the contemporary idea
of womanhood that you can have it all and do
it all and still be a bombshell.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
So like, who doesn't want to be Sue Storm when
they grow up?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well? Me.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I also had a little burger King.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Toy of Sue Storm where when you put her in water,
she turned invisible.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
We're for the first movie.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I oh no, no, no, like from the from like
the nineties.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah wow, And.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Uh when you put her in so she was invisible,
she was clear. She was not invisible. She kind of
looked like hot glue before it's melted.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I had some paint on her and then like yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
When you put her no, it was the opposite.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
When you put her in water, the collar reappeared, I
think with the heat of the water because I would
take her in the bath and then she got stuck
in kind of a half Morphy the rest of my life.
So so I loved her the best as a child's also.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm going to look these up. We were just commenting
before we started recording podcasts about how terrible Google search is. Now,
so let's see what Fantastic Four burger.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I think it was burg It literally could have been
anything else, but oh, I see it.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think these are deaf. Yeah, these are these look
like they're from the movie, though there's no.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Way because it was way before the movie came out.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Uh, I'm showing the picture to Ashley.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I remember her being in a different pose.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
There are there are Fantastic Four movie toys. They all
like are in interesting poses. You can definitely see this
is Chris Evans.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
No, it was way earlier than that. It was way, way, way, way,
way before.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
The Okay, this is such fascinating, amazing.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh no, it's it's this one. It's this is the
exact one. It's from McDonald's. I was wrong. So she's
like an a half morph she does.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, So Ashley has show me a nineteen ninety six
Happy Mill toy Invisible Woman from McDonald's, and it does
just look like a stick of hot glue.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, And I don't know if I knew who she
was or if I knew what the Fantastic Four.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Was it like, this is an Invisible Lady. I loved
that toy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Oh and this one too. My brother had this. This
is the Johnny Storm one.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah, she had that one.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's an orange man with who sort of looks like
he has a mohawk that's made of fume.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Like, I feel like this is something that like some
older kid gave us, you know, and we just sort
of inherited.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I ruined my Sue Storm, I taker of the Tome.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I got a lot of Happy Mill toy, various things
from the Pond Star store. So I think it's very appropriate.
Yeah yeah, because you know, if there's anything that I
think about with the Fantastic Four, it is secondhand. And
that is a perfect way to get into this geek
history lesson. I am Jason Inman. Welcome.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, I'm Ashley Victoria Robinson and you have stumbled onto
gig history Lesson, where a Canadian comic book writer and
a TV writer from Kansas explore the everything this is
you need to know about a character.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Now we've done quite a few Fantastic four episodes in
our day.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Go back and look at him.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Fantask four First Steps, July twenty fifth. It's so exciting.
So we are doing a mail bag.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh, don't give them free promotion? What is up with this?
They didn't pay for anything, they didn't it's a right
give it dis dime. I'm not giving Disney a die,
all right.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Every folke it. Don't go see Fantastic four.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
From me, so if you want to, but you know,
but in honor, in honor of a tiny little independent
movie by a really cool up and coming studio, we
reached out to our patrons, our super friends, and we
asked them what topics and questions they have about the
Fantastic for it that we can't explore.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And that's what we're gonna do for you today.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I'm only excited for Pedro.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And Herbie, not Vanessa Kirby, Well.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
She's pretty good too, and not and I yeah, not cousin.
I don't remember she's don't emerge. The guys by Challie Storm.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't know his name.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's a good cast.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I don't know who he is.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think it's a really good cast. There you go,
and classic Galactus, which is kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that is fun.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh, I know, Ralph Anderson is amazing.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Of the wwitch and Green Knight fame and Macbeth fame.
And then Julia what's her name is the Source Surfer
and that's neat too.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's from Ozark.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
It's an interesting choice.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, they said Doug Jones is busy, he's on Star.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Trek now at the at the idea, we haven't seen
any of this movie.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, so there's no spoilers, only conjectures.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
And also, I know and Flanders absolutely nothing about this,
but the feelers are out there that this is a
very souxs storm heavy movie. H and so I am
a feeling that that is the reason why I think
the Silver Surfer is shallaba.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Oh interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
So it's a we get a female versus female sort
of confrontation.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Collaboration over competition ladies.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, well she's a space alien.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
He's a space aliens a space lady.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
He is a space lady. All right, let's get into
some of these questions.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Our first question comes from Tom Trainer, who says, one
of the things I love most about the f F
universe is seeing Sue go from the Girlfriend who could.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Disappear but was otherwise useless to.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
The mentally strong, dependent character who is arguably one of
the most powerful characters in Marvel comics. Who do you
feel is most responsible for that growth and do you
have a favorite moment or stories that go along the way.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Jason, you are.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
The Sue Storm expert on the pod, so I want
to throw to you for your answer. It's one person
whoms could it be? It's John Byrne.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Thanks John Byrne.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
It's a fellow Canadian then also very contankerous man from
one year, but great.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Writer, great contributor to Superman.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
A great contributor to Superman. He reset Superman the way
he reset the Fantasy.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Four and also did great work on Wonder Woman.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
The way he helped Chris Claremont reset the X Men.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's all.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
John byrn It is one hundred percent John Byrne. John
Byrne is the person that made Sue the character that
Vanessa Kirby is gonna playing today in this movie. He
took her from Damsel in distress and made her a character,
a modern woman. Yeah. Yes, it's very interesting because he
did the exact same thing Lois.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, John Byrne is responsible for the modern day laws that.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Shift away from the sort of yeah, nineteen seventy.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Shot recently had this conversation. John Byrn is responsible for
making Lewis Lane and Army Bratt. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
We talked about that on our g Jail Movie Club,
which is also available in the patrun where we're talking
about sub Ranto.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
He's responsible for pushing Sue out of this trope of
oh reed, what are we doing to like very capable. Well,
he is the person that introduced that she's the most
powerful member on the team, which is one hundred percent
true when you think about.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
It, absolutely, especially with the bubble.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, with all the force Field Man stuff like that. Yeah,
because up until that point it was just like, all right, Sue, hide,
so you can sneak around in the back of Doctor Doom.
He'll never see it when we clock him on the
back of the head. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, Well that's very silvery age though, right, Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Like Sue definitely not me defending Stanley and Jack Kirby.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Sue. Sue is definitely.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
In the sixties run. She's kind of the secretary.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
This weird version because the sixties and seventies that is
like the feminist revolution, right, that's the birth of modern feminism.
She has this archetype which you see a lot through
at that time. But then it's interesting to pair her
with Red. It's interesting to me that that they would
think that someone like Read Richards would want someone who

(08:46):
would stay out of his way instead of someone who
would challenge him.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
And that's who Sue has become.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That is right, she push better?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, it's it's I mean, I guess in a lot
of ways, she's like an astronaut, like those early Gemini
and Mercury astronaut wives.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah. I actually think that John Byrne and again there's
no specific stories. Read his whole Damn Run. If you've
never read his whole Damn Run, you're doing yourself a disservice,
and you're going to understand it is literally like the
Stanley Run. It's the thing that has been just pilfering
into modern fantastic. Yeah yeah, left, right and center, we're
just we It's the major problem in comics right now

(09:22):
is that I feel like every writer is just eating
previous writers runs.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Instead of TV right, like Batman is so systemic of
like everything is through the lens of Batman tas, which
is just taking the bronze age stuff and sanitizing it.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Actually, it's a thing across all pop culture right now.
We're just we're just recopying other stuff instead of trying
to introduce new stuff. Yeah, and now he did it
in a very problematic storyline where Sue put on some
like BDSM kind of where and kind of got taken
over by another villain. Oh yeah, when she came out
of that run or out of that storyline, that's where

(09:58):
she changed her name from a visible girl two invisible women. Yeah,
and yeah, it's that just read the whole damn run
like there's no specific story. Also, that is where you're
going to go back to the run, which is I
think where comics should be right now, where it's this
idea of like every storyline was basically self contained an issue.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, and there were things that moved on. I know
Ryan North is doing that in this current Fantastic four run,
but it's still pretty serialized and still pretty tired apart,
but it was where it was very episodic. So yeah,
it's the right choice. It's the correct choice, and I
think we're going to see a lot of that in
this movie that I have not seen.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I hope so, I certainly hope.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So. I think Vanessa Kirby again. When she was rumored
a couple of years ago, I remember thinking, that's a
perfect choice for Sue Storm, and that's a person that
I would have never considered. Now it does help that
she's blonde. I usually actually thinks she dies her hair.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
She's not blonde.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
She's not blonde. She dies her hair.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, but she also I think the first thing you
saw her it was the crap Yeah, yeah, where she's
a brunette. Yes, but she's blonde and mission impossible. I
think that you can tell, you can tell that that
is the thing that brought her into Marvel's radar. Yeah,
and she's good in the mission of post movies, just

(11:10):
a bad guy. Sure, she's really good.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
So is she in one of the ones that I saw?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Oh, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
He shows up for the first time in Fallout.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I don't know which one that is.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Tom has another question, which is, while Johnny often gets
growth within a run, here, he's frequently reset to an irre,
irresponsible screw up. When the next creators take over, do
you think we'll see permanent growth like Sue Gott And
if so, what would you or what would you like
that to look like?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm gonna say this with my whole chest.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Sure, I think that is absolutely going to happen to
Johnny Storm in the MCU, because that is what happens
to the absolutely infantile and top villain of the MCU
that everybody somehow loves Iron Man, Tony Stark learns a lesson,
cleans up his act every single movie, and then somehow
gets worse in the next one. And I unfortunately think

(12:03):
I would love to see them do different, but Marvel
has rarely proved me wrong in the past. I unfortunately
think that's going to be Johnny's storyline.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, I think for the comic books the answer is no,
because again, comic books are episodic. Yeah, it's again. It's
the current problem that is plaguing all of comic books
right now is that we can't be different from the
nineteen sixties. Yeah, we just had to keep going back

(12:31):
to that reset instead of actually trying to add something
new again. It's a miracle when we think about it,
that whoever the editors were in the eighties, Lenui n
I think let John Byrne make these changes that have
sort of stuck, And it would be nice if an
editor allowed a writer who is as talented as Ryan North,

(12:52):
who is currently writings Yeah, to make some permanent changes.
You know, these characters should not be the same that
they are. Is in the same these because we are
not the same as we are in the sixties. But
it's interesting because again we have not seen the movie.
You can kind of tell what I think the thing
that they're going to tamp down on in the MCU is.
I don't think they're gonna make him the lothario because

(13:16):
you can kind of tell. Could you look up the
actor's name. He's the only actor that I don't know
from Fantasy Fortu I'm working on. You can tell from
the trailer that he is playing Johnny differently than the
way Chris Evans played Johnn.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I appreciate that he doesn't seem like a dumb teenager,
which was what Chris Evans.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Was going to That's what I think they're making the difference.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
And I guess in defense of Chris Evans, who needs
no defending. That was what he was known for playing
like him. Being cast as Johnny Storm made way more
sense than him being Casta's Captain America.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yes, because he basically was playing Johnny Storm in like
all these other movies.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Joseph Quinn, Joseph Quinn the actor's name.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
So, and you're right, because they can't do that with
Johnny because that's basically Tony Stark. So I have a
feeling I have a feeling they'll just gonna make.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Him reckless, I think a daredevil.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think he'll just be impulsive. But I don't think
he'll be the ass lethario like we are used to
Johnny Storm being.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, that's interesting, that's.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
What I think. The changes And because you're you, I
think you nailed it. He can't because if he is
classic comic book Johnny, we already have that mcu as
Tony Stark. Yeah, so we have to change it somehow. Again,
I just think they're just gonna make him impulsive.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I think that's fine because some of the some of
these shoes that I have with Fantastic four is that
Johnny does seem very infantile and out of place next
to this.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Group of adults.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, and I would love it if if we got yeah,
like a slightly he can still be the least mature
one of them, but like he is Sue's brothers.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well, yeah, because I thought they were twins for a long.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
The weird thing is you have to you have to
weirdly look at the Fantastic Four as it's mom and
dad and two kids.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, it's kind of what even though there are also kids, Yes,
even though there will be a kid in this and
there's gonna be a kid in this movie, is like that. Uh,
it's gonna be exciting with Franklin.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
You think she's gonna be pregnant with val by the
end of it?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, I think we'll get one.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I think we'll get one.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I think we're gonna get Valeria after Doomsday, because then
we will have doom.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Can I can I tell you what? I Okay, I'm
gonna throw you out. What my crazy theory about this
movie is. I don't think they're doing this. Yes, this
is my crazy theory about the Fantastic Four movie. And
this is sort of tied into the comic books. I
think you might find out in this movie that Galactus
has grown up Franklin because they have done that in

(15:33):
a couple of comic book storylines. They've hinted that Franklin
is grown up glactas, and I have on top of
that that this female silver Surfer may not be Shalah Ball,
she might be Valeria.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh well, I also have another theory, because that's crazy theory.
Natasha Leone is in this movie and she's not credited. Yeah,
and she is currently blonde. Interesting, So there's a There
are several very famous Fantastic Four stories where adult Franklin
an adult Valeria bop back, and I wonder if that's

(16:10):
also I think, kay, I think we might.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I wouldn't love that for Natosh. I like Natasha Leone.
I don't think she's a Valaria, but I.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Have a feeling because there's the interesting thing we talked
about this, like in the way we've always talked about
how the most interesting thing that a Batman movie can
do right now is to fully lean into Robin because
we haven't seen them the big screen right now. This
is the fourth Fantastic Four movie, and the only thing
these Fantastic Four movies haven't dealt with is their kids.
We're such a big part of the thing, and it
would be interesting to show a Read and a Sue

(16:42):
and a Johnny and a ben the next generation of
the Fantastic Four, and where their actions could take them
and literally have them confront that in an adventure.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I would love that also because I'm gonna be real honest,
I don't need to see no more children. I don't
need to see no more child actors ever in my life. Well,
and I certainly don't want a Marvel movie stacked full
of children.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, so it'd be Yeah, how they handle the kids
is going to be really interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
There's a lot of we don't have to go down.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
This, so a lot of people on that movie.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, without credits. Ye, very interesting.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I have I have predictions.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well yeah, well that's fine.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
My predictions are is that it is a stack cast
because I have a feeling we're going to go through
a montage of all of their adventures, and I have
a feeling a lot of these people are only in
one scene.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah. Interesting, so we'll see, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
What's also is interesting that we have more questions. But
first what we got to go to a break? Holy spokes, Yeah,
we got to go to a break because we got
to pay them Herbie bills because Disney ain't paying the bills.
But these commercials are and we'll stick around. We'll have
another letter just after this. GHO, we're back. We're receiving
notifications from the multiverse, and that says that we have

(17:50):
I don't have any I don't have a paper pop anymore.
Another letter. I don't you know, it's interesting. I don't
know if our filters picked that up or not.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't know either. If not, then you're going to
enjoy about three seconds style.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
This transmission comes to us from Adam Roberson in the
Negative Zone, and Adam asks for the Fantastic Four.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Do you like reading stories with them.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Collectively as an ensemble or do you like stories that
center around them individually, like The Thing or Sue? Also,
what makes their strength as a family make them so
compelling to tell or write stories about them? So let's
start with the first part of this question with Jason.
I'm going to leave this larger and you you've read
a lot more Fantastic Four than I have. Do you

(18:30):
prefer to read adventures of them collectively or more focused
on one of the characters specifically?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Collectively? They're the Fantastic Four. They're better as a team.
I stories don't work where they're separate. There's very few
of them. There is one thing story that I can
think of that is interesting, but it's only interesting because
they kind of play as a comedy. There's some issue
where you find out that, like the thing finds out that,

(18:56):
like Read has been like giving them money in bank
accounts from all his patents, he's been like splitting them equally.
And you learn that, like, you know, Read and Sue
put that back into the Fantastic Four. That's why there's
all these amazing mentions. Johnny of course spent it all
and Ben Grimm didn't even know he had it. So
he looks at his bank account and he finds out

(19:16):
he's a millionaire. And so the whole storyline is like
twelve issues of him being like what do I do
now that I'm a millionaire? And they go into some
funny hygiens like Spiderman show comes up and should ask
him for a loan and like little stuff like that,
and so he buys a house and he helps Alicia,
and then of course over the end of the twelve
issues he loses that money. Yeah, but they're the Fantastic Four.

(19:38):
They're only together. They're only fantastic together. Oh, the whole
point of their storyline so.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
So together and also what makes their strength as a family,
What about them as a family makes them so compelling
to tell or read stories about them.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's because it's kind of like what I said, they
only work when they're together.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I think that's interesting because I think two of the
characters in the f Task four are interesting, and if
I never heard about the other two ever again, I'd.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Be fine, who are you two?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think Sue and Benn are interesting.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I hate famously hate Read Richards, Hate Read Richards. I
cannot stand him. I really struggle because I like Pedro Pascal.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
But I hate Read Richards and I have no use
for Johnny story.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
I'm gonna say this.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I literally like, if they never came back, I'd be like, fie.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I have a feeling.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I think it's why I like The Future Foundation better.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, I have a feeling that, and I hope so
because I think he's a good enough factor. I think
Pedro Pascal might have a take on Read similar because
I felt the same way about Thor before the Thor movie.
Yeah yeah, and when I kind.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Of I'm giving that credit Toge because I saw.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Kenneth Bronna his take that he gave to Chris Hemsworth. Yeah,
I kind of was like, oh, okay, and it is.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Very different if you read thor comics. There's the before
that movie and the after that.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
It was a Shakespearean doufist before that movie, and then
it kind of like locked in to be like oh no, oh,
he just like doesn't really think about things. So I
I it's my hope. Yeah, that they sort of have
a take on read. That might because you have to
make people like read in this movie or also that work.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
And I think I think that's why I've never I've
always been like one foot in, one foot out on
the Fantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, no, you are correct. Soue and Ben are the
most interesting characters.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Adam also has a follow up question, which is would
you like to see more larger than life stories or
more grounded stories about Marvel's first family the interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
That's an interesting question because I think you need both.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I was just gonna sorry, no, no, that's fine, you can
say it too. This is your mailboa you. No, it's fine. Yes,
they should be both. In fact, it should be at
the same time that the Fantastic Four have to go
to the negative zone and deal with a nihilist. They
at the same the next time I have to deal
with that. The building next door to the Baxter building
is like, do you realize our insurance bills are through

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the roof? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Or maybe they don't.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Maybe they can go, but they have to be backed
by a certain time because they have to go.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
To Franklin teacher. Franklin's got a parent teacher.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
No, Franklin doesn't go to a public school. Don't at me.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, but yeah, like I do think there needs to
be particularly as a family. I think it's important to
have those subplots layered throughout.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, it's the dichotomy of larger than life with normal.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, but ultimately the solution to both is the same,
and that's how they learn their lesson.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Exactly exactly that. Yeah, it's that dichomic. It's it's it's again, like, well,
the reason why I'm saying that, Like, it's like what
you talk about with Sue and Read. It's that Read.
Read needs Sue because Sue reminds him to freaking take
a break.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, because if without Sue, Read is doctor doom.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yes, there, which is how they became the Fantastic War
in the first place exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Without Sue, Reid becomes a villain. Yeah, and we've seen
a version of that in the Ultimate Universe. Sue without
Reid is the is the secretary, is the shrinking Violet
that is working in NASA. She's in JPL and she's
like the third middle manager.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
But she's also smarter than everyone else there, but.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
She doesn't have like the courage, and Reid gives her
adventure and also read. That's the interesting to economy with
Read is that Reid finds Reen is fascinated by everything.
It just depends on where his focus is. And it's
like when.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Sue is fascinated by Reid exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah. So when he focuses on Sue, it's like the
best week of her life.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, that's interesting, but you know, but then.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
The next week he's just like, oh, cez these abatomic
Adams that are from the micro universe. But and she's
just like, oh my god, I'm I don't care watch
Sister Wives.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yea, does I can tell you that?

Speaker 1 (23:39):
No? I know what's what's Sue's reality show? Love Island?

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Uh No, Sue watches It's definitely like a family based show. Okay, right,
like not the Kardashians, but like Sue definitely watches something
with a family, maybe like Bling Empire.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Okay, I'm not familiar, blame it's.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Real life rich asients Okay, in New York. So it's
all about like these rich idiots.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well and Sue is in New York.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, yeah, so I think Billy am a right.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Thank you for Reality TV quarter.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Why don't you lead us into the next question, which
I think comes from research assistant Diego Anthony Junia.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
It does come from Diego and Anthony Yuniaz. He goes,
now that we are in an attempt number four for
a live action fantastic for a movie, why do you
think it makes Why do you think it is that
makes a simple concept like the Fantasic four so difficult to.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Adapt because people are trying to be clever.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, I'm actually gonna say that, Diego, I reject the
premise of your question. The fantasy four is not a
simple concept, and that's the problem. They're a dichotomy. We
live in a world where people think stories are one thing,
where they think characters are one thing, where they think
emotions are one thing. And I hope from so far
twenty four minutes into this episode, we've proven to you

(24:54):
that the interesting thing about the Fantastic Four is that
they are literally and the character basis of their story
a juxtaposition against themselves, and that is what makes them
so fascinating and so hard to write. They are a
family story mixed with big budget sci fi.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
But let us not forget that we have two successful
Fantastic Four movies. They're just called The Incredibles. Yeah, yeah,
And I often wonder if it's because Pixar has, by
nature of often being reduced down to being this is
kid stuff, they have a mandate for more simple and
straightforward storytelling.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I wonder if we over complicate the Fantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
In film adaptations.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I agree, I also think so too. Here's the other
problem the fantas a four. The Fantastic Four are not superheroes.
I'm going to say it again, The Fantastic Four are
not superhero.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm gonna layer this on top of it, and I
think I think The Incredibles nails this, and no other
adaptation is nails and nails us.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
The Fantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Are not modern, That's exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
They are not contemporary.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
They are a capsule of a moment in time, and
I think if you watch for All Mankind you.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Can see how to do that very well.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, Fantastic Four, I've always said this for years. Excuse me,
our star Trek. Yeah, they are the original series Star Trek.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, they're raw, raw space race, mid century Americana.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
They're they're Kennyism, They're they're Josh k They're that, they're
that we got to get to the moon. That's the
height of the Cold War. It's that, it's that like,
it's that.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's the myth of that.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
It's clear. It's they're literally new clear family in all
context of that word.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
But that's what I would up to tell the movie,
the nuclear family. That's clever.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
But also it's the idea that like people, the simple
thing about people with superheroes that they're like, Okay, make
a villain, they punch the villain. The Fantastic Four they yes,
they have villains. But the problem is is that like
doctor Doom is not robbing banks, Doctor Doom runs a country,
Nils runs the Negative Zone, Galactus runs the universe.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I'm gonna I'm gonna say it right now. Yeah, they'll
be like a fight or whatever. But they're gonna solve
it the way Doctor Strange solved Dormamu right where he yeah,
I did with magic, but he also defeated him.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
With the logic.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
But yes, that's what's gonna happen. They're going to science
their way out of it, exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
The Fantastic Four do have fights, but the solution to
a Fantastic Four story is not punch them in the face.
The solution to the Fantasic yea, yeah, the Fantasic Four
is or Superman, yeah, or Batman.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
That's the other different they are.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
They are adventurers. Like the idea is that Reid gets
an idea in his head. The Fantasic Four are like
that seems kind of crazy Read and He's like, no,
but I figured it out.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
We hear and they go, I guess we'll go with
you so you don't die.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well. But I've always said this for years, is that
the other aspect of Read that I think is forgotten
is that he's charming mm is that he is so
fascinated by all of life that he becomes exciting and charge.
I mean to the other three. It's the reason why
they got in the rocket with him. Yeah, it's the
reason why they go into the negative zone. So he
figures out this thing he always pushes. There's a great

(28:08):
The one line in the trailer by I Love is
Pedro Pascal says, we pushed on the edges of the
universe and someone heard. That is literally good line, the
one sentence explanation of all fantasic four stories. Read pushed
a boundary that he shouldn't have pushed, and something hurt,

(28:29):
and so then they have to deal with the falla
and Reid gets overwhelmed by the problem. The other three
are like, we got cha, pal. They're fighting it. They're
fighting it, They're fighting it until Reid figures out, oh,
what is the thing that I should have done when
we first came here? I figured it out here it is.
It's usually like, oh, I gotta put epsom salt in
my shoe. Oh, there it is. It creates a chemical

(28:49):
compound that closes the door. Let's go everybody. And then
they do it and they're like, Read, don't ever do
that again, and he's like, you know, you're right, I won't,
And then the next story he does it again. Yeah,
you know, that's literally every Fantastic four story, and that's
a hard concept to adapt, and the Incredibles. The reason
why they've made it work is because they figured out

(29:10):
a way. The first movie is Bob's midlife crisis. It's
literally the first movie he's like, I don't want to
work for insurance anymore. I miss being a Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
And then the second movie is is menopause.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
The second movie it's Alasta girl trying to figure out Helen,
trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
What is her place?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Where does she?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Like?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Is she a woman anymore? Is she a superhero? Can
she still be that famous figure and be a mom?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
And then it's the figure that like And then the
opposite of that is that it's the why I love
they give the subplot is is that Bob has the
opposite subplot where he's actually like, oh no, my kids
are cool.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, yeah, you know, like they're out of control, but
they're out.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Of control, but I actually think they're cool, whereas in
the first movie he doesn't think they're cool, right, So
he has this opposite So that's why we've had this
private conversation where if they ever make an Incredibles three,
it needs to be around a kid's problem. Like it
needs to be like.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Fial it needs to be leaving home is what it
needs to be.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, so like that's the solution that they came around,
and like that is what I think is really missing.
It's again, haven't seen the movie. It's the one thing
that makes me be like, oh, maybe they figured out
by introducing Franklin in this movie. They might have figured
it out, because that's what you need, because the problem
is is people write Fantastic four is science goblity nonsense

(30:23):
and no one cares. Yeah, we care about the family.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Diego is another question that are you a fan of
the revolving roster of characters that joined the Fantastic for
Spider Man, She Hulk, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
And do you think the MCU should ever try that out?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I like that. I only like that when one character leaves.
I don't like it when like four replaces or two replaces,
like I love John Byrne again John Byrne had she
Hulk replaced the thing for a while.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, so you're not into the Matt fraction, which is
also a she No, it's not a she got Selicia
in this thing suit where it's a whole New Fantastic
Four because they've all gone off into the space.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
I didn't mind that one because they had a different
for a title that was called Fantasy.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
And in the Future Foundation they had the stand in
and they just.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Called the FF. I don't like it, like a lot
of people love the like Wolverine, Ghostwriter, Spider Man. Oh yeah, no,
not for me, which so I you know what, you know,
my big hope of it is is I hope that
Spider Man gets to become a part of it somehow because.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
He's on the Avengers. I know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I don't think I want to see this adapted in
the MCU. I would like to see a couple of
successful Fantastic Four stories before we even considered doing something
like that. Also, not to defend a character that I
absolutely do not care about, but I don't think we're
going to see she Hulk come back for ever or
I agree, and I think the reasons for that are
a travesty, even though again, I personally I just don't

(31:43):
care about she Hulk.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'm so sorry my prediction. And because everybody loves Sue
Stormy and everybody loves the thing, there is a shot
where if Ibben's performance and Vanessa. Vanessa's performance go over
really well, and by all rights they should. They're great
actor of course. Yeah, I think you might see more
of the two of them on an Avengers team. Well.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
The other that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
We've seen Pedro Pascal in franchises before. Now in Game
of Thrones, his character dies.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I don't. I'm not giving that a spoiler alert. That
show has been out for like a decade, Well he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Books have been out for twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
M he didn't stick around. I won't say why, but
he doesn't stick around the last of us. So I
don't think they trapped him in a nine movie contract.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't think so either.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I also think the problem with when we talk about
like one of the reasons I don't I guess I
don't care for Reid, and I think maybe Reid brushes
people the wrong way is read is such a curmudgeonly
old man.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
He is. I mean, he's always had great temp and it's.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Interesting to me because Reid is one of the only
characters who is allowed to be an old man, and
when he.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
First shows up in the sixties, he's a War War
two veteran. Yeah, yeah, yeah, him and Ben are World
War two veterans.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yes, And as you say, like, the most iconic thing
about his look is the Temples, right, is the Great Temple?
Like you and I have always joked about like men
aging where you're like, oh, they have read Richard's hair, Yeah,
because that's where a lot of men tend to grave first,
and then that eventually becomes Hal Jordan hair. But I
think so I wouldn't be surprised if if.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
The MCU keeps going and if the Fantastic Four sticks around,
because I think those are two quite big ifs given
the current trends, and prove me wrong on both counts.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
They're all they were all on the chairs that they're
in The Avengers Dooms.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
They all believe it when that movie's out, that all
of those two hundred people are in it.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I'm also going to say, couldn't care less about that movie,
say it with my full chest.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I don't think it's going to be a movie because
I don't think A Game was a movie. But I
think if all of that continues, I do think re
I think Pedro.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Pascal steps away first. Also, just based on career trajectory,
I agree but you know TBD. Yeah, we'll see TBD
and d Yes. We have one more question, how about Ashley.
I have feeling this question might be lead to a
lengthy answer.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Can't go a trier than that.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
So how about we cut to some fantastic messages and
then we come right, we'll go dire temples gray and
then come back. Well, some of us don't need a
dire temples to make that happen.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Don't talk about me like that.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I'm sorry. I didn't meaning to mention it to you
for days. Yeah, and I've been like, hey, you're looking
a little bit like read and I know you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Like I would.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
How about we how about one of us goes and
dies our temples and we'll be right back and answer
this final question, and we're back. GHL, we're back from
the positive zone. Ashley, your temples look great.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Thank you so much. Well, let us never speak at
this again.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Okay, sure, I don't even know what you're talking about.
But we have more questions we have hold on the
new letters come in.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Can you hear? Can you hear that one?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
It'll be interesting to see if the audio filters take
that on them. Yeah, yeah, uh cringling paper in front
of the microphone. Everybody prop work, fully work.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
We have another question, yes from Ali Hen again kind
of going along with the Great Temple theme, where they said,
in what ways has read Richard's character aged differently compared
to other Marvel intellects like Tony Stark or Hank Pim.
Do you think it's easier or more challenging to show
higher intellectual abilities in modern media compared to older comics.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Eras good question. Honestly, it is a great question. I'm
gonna take Hank Pim right out of this. I think
that's fair because I'm not a huge fan of Hank Pim.
Same also, even the MCU doesn't really care about Hank Pam. No,
the MCU picked up they bet on the right ant man.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
They didn't do it in a way that I found satisfying,
but they definitely picked the right ant man.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
But I actually think it's a right choice because it
is one of those things like in all comic book
universe where you're like, well, how many smarty smart smarts
can you have?

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Well, we do this joke on our in our traditional
lessons all the time where we're like they have a
genius level intellect, just like everybody else in the universe exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
So let's focus this on Read and Tony. It's interesting
because they flipped go on. So the modern context of
Reid is kind of your viewpoint. It is where most
people don't like Read now and most people think it

(36:09):
And I do truly believe this. I said, I'm the
one that said that. I was like, without Sue, Read
Richards becomes doctor Doom. Now. I do not think Read
Richards is a villain. I do not buy it with that,
like I do not buy with Evil Superman. I think
that is a lazy writing choice, but it is become
the most prevalent writing choice of the last ten years,
simply because all you have to do is look at
Ultimate Read Richard's and the Maker. Now, I do think

(36:32):
that that guy is an interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, but it's the Ultimate Universe is an else world story.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like Bingo Bengos. What if yes read in his harder
Hearts read Marvel? You know, Read Richards is not a
bad man. He is not a bad husband. But that
has become the modern take on him.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Do you think he is?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
We have this conversation off about Jimmy McGill from The
Breaking bad verse. Do you think he has a character
who wants to do well but gets kind of lost
along the way, lost in the minutia.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yes, because again, if you go read Jack Kirby and
Fantasic four is original Fantasy four. If you read John
Burns as four, the thing you learn about Read Richards
is that Read Richards one is a war veteran.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he which is something that maybe
isn't plaid open thom yes, must be real.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
And he didn't have to go, He wasn't drafted. He volunteered.
And then the other thing that is kind of forgotten
is that doctor Doom. It's kind of been rewritten. Doctor
Doom's accident that happens happens because Reid tries to help
him and Doom doesn't listen. And there are many points

(37:45):
in the storyline where Ben is even like the let
that screwball blow himself up, and Read is like, no,
that would be irresponsible. So Red has a heart. It
has been forgotten, and I think it has been forgotten
because we now live in a society where we look
at intellect as bad. Yeah. And the thing about it
is that Read's heart is so large because his intellect

(38:08):
is large because he has different concepts of morality that
he kind of like Superman has become this thing where
he's like, I don't think anybody should get hurt. And
that is the thing that's been forgotten because it's hard
to write that. It's hard to light a multi level
character now in our modern society, which strikes me great.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
And I'll say this, and I know this is something
that you can speak to with your work on Watson.
I think it's also if you're maybe not a cutting
edge astrophysicist, perhaps difficult to write that, yeah, a character
who is yeah right, Like I know on Watson, the
medical stuff is something that can sometimes be a different
layer to the story that you have to address completely differently.

(38:47):
And I wonder if in comics if that's also something
that gets lost it.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Is it's just a simplification of it all. So it's
interesting because when you look at Tony Stark, Yeah, in
the seventies and eighties, what are the storylines we were
telling with He's.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Even in a bottle, I'm an alcohol, He's getting.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Drunk, He's stealing armor, he's armor warri are just like
in a stupor, he fakes his death and pisses off
Roady for about a year and this gets replaced. Yeah.
Now because of the MCU, we're all like, we love Tony.
He's amazing. That truly bouns me every day of my life.
He's still a womanizer, he still gets drunk off his body,

(39:26):
he's still really disrespectful. Read Richards has a functioning family,
yet he is the villain.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, that's interesting, that's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
That's the twist we are now. Read Richards is the
villain because he has a loving marriage and two happy kids. Yeah,
but Lithario Playboy is the person we want to beat.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Again, there's a lot of avenues I go go in there,
But that is the most interesting thing. Uh. Read Richards
is the perfect He is the man who has it
all and he's figured out how to make it work.
But we have a hard time writing that now, which
I under I don't understand. But the guy who is
crashing cars and ghosting women left, right and center, we

(40:07):
think is the hero.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Okay, Yeah, anyways, and.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I'll put that, I'll put that bubble right there.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yes, And then I think Ali asked a really neat
question that I think is going to be maybe our closer.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
For the day.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I think it's a perfect closing question.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Did the creation of the Fantastic Four bring a new.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Bring something new? Sorry, that's on me, that's not on you.
Did the creation of the Fantastic Four bring something new
to comics in the Silver Age? What might the new
Fantastic for film bring to the MCU today that has
been missing?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Do you have an answer for that? I have a
I have an answer. I know exactly what the answer
to this question is, but I would love to hear
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I've never read Silver Age Fantastic for okay, because frankly,
I have absolutely no interest in it. What did the
what if anes afore bring to comics in the Silver Age?
Black Panther, doctor Doom, A.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Lot of things that people like about them, see you.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
It brought a family, I think a family unit in
a real way, like outside of the concept or something.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like the Batman family.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
You're You're dead on it brought Yeah, because up until
this point, what it brought is that and a lot
of people attribute this to Spider Man. It was the
Fantastic Four. People didn't like the Fantastic Four because of
Doctor Doom or Black panther that those are great. There's
a great addition.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I was being glib.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, they liked them because every issue of Fantastic
four was Sue being like, boy, I wonder if Reid's
going to take me on a date tonight. I really
would like to go on a date. And you know,
Read is mucking around with Doctor Doom, and then at
the end of the issue he's like, Sue, I realized
I've been let me, let me chop on my pipe,

(41:46):
and I believe that I have not taken you off
to dinner, So let's go to the finest New York establishment.
And she's like, oh, Read, And then the rest of
the episode is Ben Graham being like, boy, I can't
find my favorite pair of sunglasses. Where are my sunglasses? Boy,
I'm gonna smash up the guy who took my sunglasses,
and and Johnny's like, I took a singlasses that hit

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them in the trash.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I don't know why you made him Texas when he's
definitely from Boers or whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
But and then the Annihilus and all that other stuff.
Set dressing was just set dressing, but it was like
every issue had a new thing that people could relate
to what.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I genuinely think. Also, the film, if it goes well,
can bring to the MCU.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Was that same concept, right, the idea of family the yes,
outside of the concept of found family.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yes, I know.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
So I've said this a couple of times in this
podcast and proscal Oh God, Pedro Basco, Hello, Hello, I'm
a big fan of I'm a huge fan of pa
I think he's really good, and I think people kind
of throw him in a box, but I think I
think when he is like fully on, he's good. He

(42:55):
is unbeatable. And that's why I'm excited for him. Is Read,
because I think I think he might do a really
good job is Read, and he was never my choice.
I would have never picked him in a million years.
But you know what, I would have never picked Ris
Evans as Captain America. And look what we got there.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
That fantastic.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
So I'm hoping that they've replicated the same thing. The
interesting thing that they could pull off of this movie. Again,
have not seen this movie, don't know is that the
big problem that Marvel has right now is that Marvel
has focused on bang bang cgi boom boom. Hey connections. Hey,
this movie is connected to that move that movie.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Have you seen this movie?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
No, you haven't seen this movie. Boom boom, CGI explodes
with some yuckity yuckity yuck yuck yucks, which is which
is all frosting with no cake.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yes, this is Jason's favorite metaphor.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yep, you don't care. You have to make me care.
And the thing that excites me about the Fantastic Four,
and I've said this before, is that one of the
best superhero adapt adaptations of the last ten years is
this show called SUPERMANI Lois, specifically season one, because that
show didn't really care about villains.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
It had villains, of course, and that was the thing
as you must have in superhero stories, and.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
It got into it got into a problem that it
really couldn't replicate in season two, three, and four, which
I don't think as good as a season one. Literally,
the thesis of season one of Superman and Lois is
Superman grappling with am I a good dad, and a
lot of the episodes are literally dealing with the problems

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with his two boys and how does he work with
Lois and how does he fit Superman into that? Stuff
like that, and if this movie gives us something like that, like,
if this movie is read and Sue saying in themselves,
how can we possibly raise a baby when we're fighting
something like Galactus?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, this movie is millennial.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Af All the people who like us, were in elementary
school or high school when these movies started coming out
are now at the point where you kind.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Of have to.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Think about family a family or move on from that idea.
And you know, you might feel like the world is burning,
and that might be a complicated concept, like it's it
is interesting through that lens to be like, this is
a very millennial movie.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
But if that, if that is the emotional storyline of
this movie, Yeah, and it folks, if that is like
baked into because again that's what made the Incredibles work. Yes, yeah,
we didn't care about Syndrome. We didn't.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I don't know. I often forget Syndrome's name.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
In fact, yeah, I even don't even remember the lady
in the second movie who is like secretly the.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
With the n hypnotipnot.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
You don't care about that, Like, we only care about
the fact that, like, oh, is Helen's new career is
her like second career going.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
To work Screenslavery Green Slavery by the way, if you
google who is the villain, the first auto fill is
of the Bible.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I'm sorry to tell you it's humankind.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
If this movie. He bakes that in and again that
this movie is literally read and sue basically saying, how
the hell do we raise this baby in this world?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah? Then, which we know is a different word.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
It's gonna bring so much power and threat to Galactus
that we would not have oft that we didn't have
in the previous movie that had Galactus in it, even
though he was a cloud.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Isn't it interesting that it's a giant Galactus looking at
us right now?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Hi buddy, Hi friend?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
What happened to the Silver Surfer?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
He's over here by the books.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I can see him.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
He's side in the book. Listeners will know it's deep
to a lore that there actually is a night Oh.
I was going to say that there is a Nightcrawler
action figure that is writing Galactus, which I think is
very appropriate.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Jason has that big tall Galactus.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not a you know, I like
Lactus more than Silver sermmer. Although I like the Silver Serfer.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
He used to just be the Silver Server used to
be sitting in his hand, so I didn't know what
happened to him.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I did put him up in there.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
That's probably just yeah quake.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
So there you go. If they do that, if because
that's what made the EMCU work in the Wave one. Yeah,
that's what made us care about Gardens Galaxy one. It's
because those movies weren't about superhero bs. They were about
an issue that we could all understand, and then they
wrapped superhero stuff around it.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
If they do that for this movie, then we will
walk out of that movie being like the MCU is back.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah, I hope so, because I did a bit of that,
and because I Thunderbolt is a good start.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Thunder Bolts. Yeah, Thunderbolts was like you were like, oh,
they might be turning the car.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, but just to wrap up and just through depressing
about it. Unfortunately, I think ticket sales are going.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
To matter more than that.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, well know very soon.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
We will know. Really by the time this recording, by
the time it comes out, for everybody, they'll probably are
they're probably screaming at us right now. Yeah, you pre
recorded before the movie came out, So there you go.
But thank you for all your questions.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
These were greedy, these were a villain.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Great questions.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
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Speaker 1 (48:30):
Is it as blue as their Lovely Love? Do you
like their sweaters and their their retro costumes in the
Fantasy Fork trailer ad do you like those sweaters? I
love those sweaters.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
They're fine. That's my It's my opinion of most things
Fantastic sport. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
See, I think I maybe want one of those sweaters.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
That's fine, you can you can have one for Christmas?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Can I sure? Will you take me to the commercial
zone and buy me?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll That's my idea of events commercial.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I think there's a zone for every little literal emotion,
anything you want to feel. It's like it's like this
is the silver zone.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Oh my god, that would be That would be so
funny if you were like writing a particularly like a
future fundation, if one of the kids was like, I'm
going to the toilet zone, I'm going to the food zone.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I'm going to my room zone. Like if somebody was
like a bit, that'd be really funny.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
And read is like, don't you dare make fun of
Scientific Discover young man. He's like, whatever day.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, Ardie Leech are just like wandering around in the background.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Get your weird friends out of my kitchen, exactly, get
them out of here.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
So Atki Casher Lewson on Blue Sky, you can also
find me on Blue Sky at Ashley V.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Robinson. Jason, where can they find you?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
On Blue Sky? I'm Jason Inman for the first time,
and everywhere else I'm Jahn on j W I N.
But now it's most importantly, what have we learned today? Ashley?

Speaker 2 (49:41):
What have we learned today?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Jason? I think we've learned that not only are Sue
and Ben the best characters in the Fantastic Four, but
Reid is not a g damn villain.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Let me ask you this right before we say goodbye.
Have you learned the actor who's playing Johnny Storms?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
This is his name? No, I don't remember either.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
He seems pretty good.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I'm sure he's fine.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Joseph something, Joseph Quinn.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Joseph Quinn?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Is it Joseph quin?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Joseph sure, looks up. Okay, thank you so much for listening,
and Professor Jason, would you please dismiss the class.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Until next time. I'll see you in the podcast zone.
I thought it was a better. Jack Kirby, Sure,