Why Do Batman and Spider-Man Work So Well in the Future? with DJ Wooldridge

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Batman and Spider Man are both great at fighting crime
in their regular world, but who's better equipped to take
on a full blown dystopia? Is it Batman with his
endless gadgets, detective skills, and brooding intensity, or is it
Spider Man with his quick thinking, adaptability and web slinging flair. Honestly,

(00:34):
DJ Woolridge, my guests here today from the future who
are from a dystopian time.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm from a dystopian time and I escape to this
one not working out so hot. My decision making could
have been a little.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Now, you should have just planted better, you know what
I'm just saying. But honestly, of these two heroes Batman
and Spider Man, their their main counterparts, which one of
them do you think could actually survive a mega corporation
trying to ruin their life?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
So we're because because we're referring to Batman, not not Miguel,
not Terry mcginno, don't EPI which one on the Bruce
Wayne or Peter Parker. Well, Bruce Wayne because he's Batman,
because he always he always figures that out, he always
gets out on top.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
He also owns a mega corporation.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
He's yeah, he owns.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
He probably technically Peter Parker did at one point too.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
He did, he definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
He's worked for the Fantasy for which is also another
mega corporation.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, but it's just because because and this is the
thing I always get into I like, especially because those
beautiful collections just came out. The DC and Marvel collections
just came out. Which one they did? They did omnibusiness
of all the DC Marvel crossovers. Oh yeah, and I
just got the amalgam one myself too, which is funny
because actually own all of those books, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Wanted one of the collections.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
And the thing you got to remember with those crossovers
is like at any give and fight, who would win
the DC or the Marvel it'd be the d C
character because of the power levels are different. It's just different.
It's not about who's better. It's just that you the Justice.
He has to compete with Superman. So even even though
Batman's a person, you know, he's got all the gadgets
in the whatever there is there isn't.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I have to say Bruce Wayne for this one, because
there is an old school storyline that Grant Morrison did
in JLA, which I think is the best Just League
run of all time. And during Rock of Ages when
Lex Luthor has created his new Injustice League, and there's
a scene at the very end where Bruce says, oh,
I figured out what Lex is doing. He's doing a
corporate takeover. And the only problem here is is that

(02:28):
he doesn't realize that Bruce Wayne is also really good
at corporate takeover. So it becomes this weird corporate kind
of thing. And so that's why I think, Yeah, I mean,
I don't think Spider Man. Look, he was rich for
maybe a year. No, I don't think he has the
experience Spider Man. He can't pay his water bill.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
He would figure it out. But you know, the best
Spider Man stories always have him behind the april.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah you know, so not owning the not owning the ape. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, I think it's the perfect place to begin and say, hello,
welcome to Get History Lesson everybody. I'm Jason Inman. This
is the podcast where we welcome you into the mind
of University, where we take one conversation topic or one
character and tell you a little bit less, a little
bit about them, and a little bit less.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Damn, I screw that all up. See, this is why
I can't want to make a corporation.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Anyways, we are here to talk about Batman and Spider
Man thriving in the future, and uh, you know, unfortunately
we have to you know, give a little love, give
a little shout out right today. Actually, Victory Robinson will
not be joining us. She is feeling under the weather.
I'm blaming that Mega corporation infected her with a cold.
Don't it is a joke, every I'm not. This is

(03:34):
a joke. We're doing comedy.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Don't go on to the red there.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
We're fine, We're fine.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
But luckily somebody who has been thriving. He's apparently from
a dystopian future, but he came to another dystopian future
where welcome the host of the Only Stupid Answers podcast
and writer. Very exciting new could you call it dystopian?
This is a dystopian comic, cyberpunk, a new cyberpunk action thriller,
dystopian punch you in the face comic called danger Boy.

(04:00):
Welcome back to the podcast. DJ Wilrich, Hey man, Hello,
how's it going.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Always a pleasure. It's been a minute.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I feel like you know, it's funny I think the
last time you run this podcast was exactly this time
last year?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Was it last year?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
My god, time is elusive.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
It's a flat circle if you watch you know, if
you watch True Detective. So we're diving into Batman and Superman,
two characters who weirdly thrive very well in futuristic settings.
And I want to break this down because these of
these characters have legacy characters alternate's, however you want to
say them, that are based in the future. Yeah, and

(04:40):
are kind of great and almost as good as the original.
So let's get the ten cent origin here of Spider
Man twenty ninety nine. The future counterpart of Spider Man
is Miguel Ohira, geneticist in the year twenty ninety nine
who accidentally rewrites his DNA with spider abilities. He lives
in Nueva York, a dystopian, cyberpunk inspired city dominated by

(05:01):
mega corporations, crime, and advanced tech. His world is darker
and grittier than Peter Parker's, and there's a heavy focus
on his storylines on corporate greed in societal inequality. Now
it doesn't look like the peaceful utopia that you saw
in Spider Verse.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Spider.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
They also have Batman Beyond, who is Terry McGinnis, a
rebellious high schooler who takes up the mantle of Batman
under after discovering Bruce Wayne's secret. Gotham is now Neo Gotham,
which is a sprawling futuristic city filled with flying cars, holograms,
and high tech games like The Jokers with the Z.
Terry's Batman is mentored by an older Bruce Wayne. He

(05:36):
provides him with guidance in a high tech suit. I
always like to say that Batman Beyond Terry mcgwen is
basically operates in Blade Runner future.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Blade takes place in twenty twenty four, right.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
J yeah, yea yeah, yeah, well because there's what was
the sequel is twenty forty nine forty nine.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's funny how even in your dystopian cyberpunk futures there's
still like this hint of optimism was like flying cars,
upper boards.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well that's because that's what you know, great science fiction
stories are, because they all they're supposed to be morallity
tales or warnings to be like, hey, don't turn into
this thing I'm trying to find out. I'm doing a
quick Google here to figure out what year that roughly
Batman Beyond takes place. So it says that Batman Beyond

(06:23):
takes place forty years in the future. Other places say
it takes place fifty years in the future. Yeah, promotional
materials say that Terry becomes Batman in twenty thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Twenty thirty nine, So so if the Batman animated series
took place in the nineties, it's forty to fifty years
after that.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, so that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So twenty forty nine, so we have we have one
Spider Man who is almost one hundred years ahead of us,
and we have a Batman that is maybe thirty years.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
After thirty years. In that Batman's defense, he's already if
is forty years ago, you know, there's already a Superman
in a green lantern and the whole.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
So it's whole.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
So who knows what kind of futuristic tech they're able
to throw at them. Yeah, by the time they get there,
maybe that wants a little bit ahead of a cur
from us.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah. Well, it's also one of those scary things with
most sci fi stories where you're just like, wow, we
are closer to this terrible future than that I want
to be. And we also way further from this than
you think.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
We are way further from the cool stuff. Yeah, a
lot closer than not.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
So cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, you know what something we are closer to the
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Speaker 3 (07:33):
Touch his knee? Eymore.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I didn't realize how that we were that close. We
didn't get closer to him because we do this podcast
called GHL Extra over there, and it's where we kidnap
our guests. We don't let them leave for another ten minutes,
and we talked to them. We let them curse. DJ
is going to curse like a sailor.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I haven't cursed yet, right, I don't think so good?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
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there and we have a very interesting conversation about creatives
working enfranchises, you know, and I'm not We're.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Not just doing this because I in a friend show.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
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(08:23):
it the o g Og.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
You know, Ashley Victory Robinson's hosting that show. She'd ask
you should be like, hey, can I be Can I
be a plan?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Okay, so we have. Let's let's talk about the future settings.
I mentioned Neo Gotham, New Way of a York.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Let's talk about this. You're a writer.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Stupid idea to rename the towns. What do we think
about that? I mean, Black Runner just takes place in
Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, yeah, so it's I think we we like to
me that's communicating within the genre you're in. Guess about
whether you think that's real or not. It's just part
of you. You're kind of firmly planting yourself within, like
we're in this genre. We would like to pretend that
in one hundred years from now, the future will have
a different name for whatever reason. And that you just

(09:06):
mentioned blad Runners in Los Angeles. I'm actually one what
the precursor for that is is that because I want
to say, I escape from New York. It's just New York.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's just New York.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, this doesn't but it's no. But in my brain
it's a genre convention, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, it is the thing to call it.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like, well, it's interesting because like Neo Gotham that there's
a lot of anime in Batman Beyond. There's a lot
of like nineties and eight, there's a lot of the
Kira in Batman Beyond. But yeah, Nueva York, which I
think is the better.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Name, Neotokyo Tokyo. Yeah, yeah, And of course the great
joke in which is playing off for some fut drama
which is New New York.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yes, yeah, yeah. Also it's funny. I think a Curra
takes place in the nineties as well.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
No, no, it is supposed to take place. I think
whenever the Japanese Olympics were supposed to be, so either
it's coming up or just passed.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Okay, let's find out.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, let's good, Oh god, because you know all the
nerds are just gonna be yelling at us. I'm at
the mercy of Google right here. So uh, let's say
a cure year.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I want to say twenty nineteen, but that's probably wrong.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh good god, Google, You're really failing me right now.
By the way, this is you want me to really
sound like an old man.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Man right now? Does anybody else notice that Google Search
really so.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Close it blurlos, it blows because it's it's it's prioritizes,
you know, selling you stuff an AI.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Thing AI blurb twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, okay, in twenty
nineteen AI blurb is functionally useless.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, but yeah again, that's kind of the the when
you talk about the stopia is it's like we live
in one. It's just lame. It's just a lame one.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's a lame We don't have any flying cars.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, it's just like everything's kind of broken and.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yes, so okay, so again, Nueva York, Yes, Neonlitz, skyscrapers,
flying vehicles send some inequality okay, Neo Gotham, Yeah, mega corporations, Neonlitz, skyscrapers,
flying vehicles, overwhelming corruption and crime. Okay, let's talk about

(11:02):
sort of let's start with Batman. Yeah, okay, Batman. Batman
is one of these characters that we've seen lots of elseworlds.
We've seen a lot of movies, seen a lot of
cars stoons. Yeah, Batman is a very adaptable, sort of archetype.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, I would. Are you part of his success? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I think it's a big part of his success. What
about Batman really works for a dystopian future version, Like
do you think it all comes from Frank Miller's The
Dark Knight Returns? Like that was the sort of one
that kicked out the gate or.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Doesn't hurt it. But I think when you're specifically talking
about cyberpunk dystopia, cyberpunk is a version of dystopia that
is very urban and considering both Spider Man and Batman
are specifically superheros in general are urban fantasies, and so
that kind of if you're going to put them, you know,
if the counterpoint being you look at old Man logan

(11:49):
that's more of like a mad Man West One because
he lends himself to that more as opposed to both
Batman and Spider Man specifically are very tied to their
interesting urban Yeah, and and so you're going to imagine
a dark future for them, it's going to be in
an urban setting. And so I think it is easy
at that point to kind of lean into cyberpunk. Is

(12:10):
the dystopia and the at least in for Western I mean,
the two main texts of that are Blade Runner in
Nikira and of course.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Which you can tell that both of these series are
heavily influenced.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I mean, and.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Bruce tim has said he has come out and said
that Batman Beyond is heavily influenced by Blade Runner.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Let's let's look at this out Let's get through that's
gonna irritate a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Let's get this out there out of the way. Really
Scott's Blade Runner. Yeah, do you like it?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I do? I like it quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
As I'm on the opposite, I do not like it
so the but a lot of creatives like It's like
if I think, I feel like if you were alive
in the eighties and you saw it like Star Wars,
like you were that imprinted on you?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
For me, I didn't see it. I didn't see a
lot of movies till later in light life. I kind
of grew up in a conservative environment, and so I
didn't see Blade runnern til college, and the benefit of
that one, I got to see the one, like, really,
Scott is like, this is the one.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Oh, the ultimate definite because there's a million cuts of
that movie.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
There's no stupid voiceover in this one is the Apocalypse?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Now there's like a seventy five different and You're like,
which cut do I watch?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
What's going on? So I watched you.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I watched the one where the voiceover happens and he
says he's an android. Spoilers, it's a forty year old movie,
Get over it.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, So I watched what was supposed to or at
least at the time. I think there's been another cut since,
but at the time was supposed to be this is
the defenditive one, and I thought it was really dope.
I actually like it more than twenty forty nine.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Oh interesting, I like twenty four.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Let's say this, okay here, did you expect a blad
run or talk to ever happened on Giust doesn't here
we go h Decker yeah, or DECKERD deckerd Harrison Ford's character. Yeah,
he's a cop hunting down the replicants, which are the robots. Now,
in one cut he's a human, and the other cut
he confirms he's a replicant.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
And Blade Runner twenty forty nine, they basically are like, no,
he's human. They confirm it, right.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, what's your preferred version? Is he a robot? Is
he a robot? Or is he a person? The ambiguity
of it, I like, I like he's a robot.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, I like him being I like him having to
be the guy that's really good at hunting down his
own kind ye, like he's the best tops. Yeah, they
give him, they don't they give him? Don't they have
a title blade Runners?

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah? Well that's the only reason that the name doesn't
make any sense. In fact, I think the name blade
Runner comes.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
This is such an old man podcast, be like, what
do they call him?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
No? No, I think because because I think the name
blade Runner because it comes from it comes from.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
A story which is not his Philip K.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Dick. Yeah, Philip K. Dick, but it doesn't mention blad Runners.
But no blade Runner was a separate script.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, it's dream It's do dreams Electric? Yeah, do Robot
dream of Electric sheep? Yeah, but the name Blade Runner
comes from a completely unrelated script and they sort of like, yeah,
it's a weird beast anyways. Yeah, but I do. I
do like that movie. I like a Curra a lot.
I think it's a cura end.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Blade Runner be improved if Batman and spider Man were in.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think Batman and spider Man would benefit from being
in those because they're especially a cure. A Cure is
one of the you know, yes, it's iconic for a reason.
It was one that was another one that I watched
later in life, and when you're watching, like, oh, I
get why everybody's obsessed with this movie. It's very good.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's also like once you see a Kira, it's kind
of like seeing The Godfather. Yeah, once you see a Kira,
it you finally understand like a whole pop cultures like
CAE and you're like, oh, all these other things like
System Kane. Once you see it, you're just like, oh,
the next fifty years have all been referencing this.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
One specific thing. Yeah, so I think, uh, of course,
when you're so okay, So if we're going to put
these very urban characters in a dystopia, cyberpunk is kind
of like the standard urbanized dystopia. Of course you're gonna
pull from some of the most stylistically. Because you just
said you're not a huge fan of Blade, it does

(15:48):
look cool, you know what I mean. So if you're
gonna like visual language, it's like, yeah, why not rip
off that one? That's a great one.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, it's you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Another thing that I think we kind of stumbled onto
as we were sitting here and talking about it is
that Batman and Spider Man are sort of the opposite
sides of the same coin. Batman is a billionaire. Spider
Man is poor as hell. Usually usually yes, the.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Answry loves to give him money. You know.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I was saying this to another person recently, where I
was saying that a big thing, my big sort of
like nitpick about the MCU spider Man is I don't
like that he has a suit that can do anything.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I just like it when he wears pajamas.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah yeah, And that there's I don't I follow the
artist lieber meho and he he every once want alf do.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
He loves to draw Batman in a snowcoat.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he every one time I will
post a spider Man apparently gets a lot of heat
for it. But he really leans into This is a
suit he made, so it's all like wrinkly and you
can see the seed.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I like that. That, Yes, that, I like that. I
like that.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
So let's talk about this. Nueva York neo Gotham. Yeah,
what do you need to make a futuristic city feel
live and believable in storytelling?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
That's actually a question I'd be interested in hearing you answer.
I think. I think it's the It's the same thing
as when you're writing as anything like one. You need
to be able to believe it and you and it
needs to I guess things need things to a degree
can't exist just because they're cool.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
You need to understand why would it function this way?
You know that series that did this kind of off topic,
but I think did this really well, the world building.
There's an animated series that just literally the name just
shot right out of my brain. It's no, it was
on it was on Uh Max, Oh my god, uh

(17:40):
something Rain? Why am I? Why am I blanking on
it because animated series on Max that dealt with a
with these people stranded on an alien world, and it
did a really good job of they'd run into all
these crazy creatures. But you whenever you you got introduced
to a new uh, Scavenger's ran highly recommend it. They

(18:03):
would show how this creature's weird ability functioned in the environment.
So it's not just doing this because it's weird and
it's cool. This is how it works here, and so
you really got it. It really made you believe in
the space because it's it's an ecosystem. Things are responding
to other things. You know, there's a sense of evolution.

(18:23):
So similarly, you have the benefit in a cyberpunk world
or dystopian future of you build.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Off of our world.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
But like so for example, like and Blade Runner, you've
got the massive building, size y graphic billboard. We'll just
go to Times Square. You know. Another good example of
this type of thing when you're imagining it out, there's
a series called The Deuce that followed seventies New York

(18:53):
and then in the sportlist for The Deuce, the last
scene is you follow one of the characters out into
present day in New York and it feels like you've
jumped from into some sort of future because looking at
Times Square in the seventies and Times Square and now, yeah,
it's like this is a different Was that was that?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
You know?

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean I've never seen the Deuce? Yeah, I've heard
it's great. Yeah, is that they were breaking the fourth wall?
What were they doing there?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
No, it was you because you follow this character.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's the idea that we're following him through to we
just jumped the time. We just jumped to him the
older Oh okay. And then so he's in a bar
and then he walks out.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Can you tell and can you tell he's old?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And you're like, oh my god, because it's it's Time
Square you if you want to win it. But within
the context of this is what it was, you know,
almost fifty years ago now to what it is now,
You're like, this feels like I've jumped into an alternate future.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Fun fact Times Square fun story. Referring to Jason, what
was one of the first places I actually went to
in New York City because I got I went there
when I was filming stuff with DCL access And the
reason why we filmed a bunch of stuff in Times Square.
Is that Times Square is one of the few places
in New York City you do not need a film permit. Interesting, yeah,
I think they do that specifically before Taurus. But I've
I've now shot like ten things there in Times Square

(20:06):
and it's annoying to shoot there.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
But it's all because the producers like, well, you know,
it doesn't cost any money.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I imagine if you're one of the places with the
billboards out there, like yeah, get our head.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Space exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
But yeah, so it's it's not a stretch to take
that and put that in the language of what we
use for future six story shares, so like holograms and whatever.
So now the billboards are holograms and they're even bigger
and stuff like that. And so I think for me
that's the texture of it. But what about for you, like,
what do you think makes that stuff?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
You know, it's it's hard because it's one of my
favorite franchises is Star Trek. I think does a terrible
job at it because every time there's a lot from
like in D Space nine and Voyager and even T
and G, they would go back to Earth and like
I do not buy that anybody lives on that Earth
all ever.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Like the current not going back in time in the
current Federation Earth.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
In the twenty fourth century, Like, they will go to
Earth and you'll see twenty fourth century Earth and you'll
just kind of be like, and there's restaurants, but there's
we're also in a world that doesn't have money. So
you're like, okay, so this guy just like cook meals
for anybody that how does this? There has to be
like credits or something, some sort of change bartering.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Why is Guyan frunting the bar? What's kind of doing?
Are you running? These people? They're they're mining these things?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Why? Why? Yeah, what's the reason for that?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, So you know it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I think this thing that makes the Futures City feel
alive unbelievable is the same thing that makes any story
alive unbelievable. Is that you just it's hard to define.
It can't just be the background. It has to be
like you know, you know, I know I kind of
dunked on Blade Run a little bit earlier, but you know,
one of the things that makes Blade Runner feel like

(21:46):
a very believable Los Angeles of twenty twenty four Futuristic
City is that he stops at the noodle shop and
he talks to the noodle guy like that is a
scene in that movie, and so we all know what
noodle shops are, and that noodle is different, right. I
think it comes out of the the I think it
comes out of the console or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they do some future thing and the guy like talks

(22:06):
to him and it's like constantly raining there. I guess
that's one thing Blade Runner got right, is constant raining
all right now? Yeah, and you know, it just feels
very real, like I you know, I don't know, because
yet you are right. The easy thing to do is
to make it the background and just to ignore it.
And I think you have to, like you got to
put a little you know, who is the bodega owner

(22:26):
of the corner, who is the restaurant owner, who is
who's the old Who's the old man that sits on
the stoop even though it's like toxic outside, but he's like,
damn it, I'm gonna sit on the stoop because that's
what I've done for fifty years.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Another example is in Going to twenty forty nine when
Ryan Goslin goes to take a shower. It's like, yeah,
that tells me, okay, there's a water shortage. There's even
I mean that that informs the space.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, I mean one of the most interesting things about
I remember this happens in Spider Man twenty nine comic
and it's.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Not for like a while.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
And by the way, if you've never read the original
forty issue run Peter David spider Man twenty nine comic,
it's awesome. It is like really good. I think Rickley
and Nardi is the artist for most of it. And
I don't think they show you outside of Nueva York
until like issue twenty five, but there is an issue
where he goes out there and he goes to like
a mansion and you basically learn that the only people

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that can afford to own a home in the forest
are rich people, Like nobody really because the homes are
like insanely expensive if they're in the forest. And you're like, oh, wow,
that's really like that's a really cool detail, you know,
and it also makes sense. Something that also makes sense
is that we got to make some room for some
of ad space here detail, So we'll see you all

(23:40):
in the future. You know, could be three seconds from now,
could be two minutes from now, I don't know. That's
how time travel works. So we'll see you there in
the future. Right off these messages, geegets trust and we're back.
We're talking about the future. Blade Runner noodles, Did they
come out of the counter or not? Batman and Spider Man,
how are they doing in the future? Okay, DJ, we

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we gotta talk about this. You might have known a
little bit about this. Did you know that Batman Beyond
basically was inspired by Spider Man? And in a lot
of ways it's hard.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
To not see that Batman Beyond might have been might
they might have sampled some flavors.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Since spider Man twenty nine e spier Man twenty nine
happens in nineteen ninety four, Batman Beyond happens in nineteen
ninety nine, So here's a similar base. Batman Beyond is
very inspired by the original Spider Man.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Peter Parker.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
They're both high schoolers. They both become heroes. They both
use humor in wit when fighting opponents. They both lost
someone close to them, Uncle Ben for Peter, Terry's father.
They both feel guilt over that loss. They both face
Rich untouchable villains Derek Powers as Blight and Batman Beyond,
Wilson Fitz Kingpin or Norman Osborne going Goblin and Spider Man,

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and they have villain parallels where Batman Beyond fights this
villain called Ink, which is very similar to ve them
in Spider Man.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
So let's talk about this. It's pretty obvious, it it.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I I one hundred percent think the team of Batman
Beyond red spider Man twenty and nine, and also we're like,
we're gonna make spider Man but for Batman.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah, but what do you think?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
What do you think about this, this future Batman taking
inspiration from old Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I think it's great. I think it's great, honestly and truthfully.
The backstories I understand it. For Batman Beyond is one
of my favorite creative stories because they got the note,
the awful studio note of hey can you do can
we do teenage Batman? Which I think is objectively an
awful idea, And they're like, Okay, well.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I guess how can we do this so we don't
hate it?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah? Well maybe because it.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Was called Batman Tomorrow, I think, and I.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Think the originally what they wanted was like Bruce Wayne
and high school kind of a thing, and they're like, no,
so the future and it's a new guy and they
made they took something that was a bad suggestion and
made it dope, like made it really cool. And what's
funny about that? Absolutely pulling from twenty ninety nine, but
that snake eating its own tail? Where then over Marvel
they want to do their own Batman Beyond, but for

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some reason they are afraid to pull the trigger on
twenty ninety nine and so they do Spider Man Unlimited instead,
which is like, well this is now, this is a
weird one, so we should explain.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
So Spider Man Unlimited was this weird late nineties cartoon
where is Spider Man on another planet or something.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
He's on counter Earth fighting the High Evolutionary.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
What the hell does that happen?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah? Yeah, his iconic Fox High.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Evolutionary is counter Earth in another dimension.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Or on the other side of the sun.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Jason, I'm asking you this because have you watched the
show for your pat.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, we have a Patron show called
spider Verse City. They do a sow and we did
all of Spider Man Unlimited and it is.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
A wild how many episodes of this thing are like twelve? Maybe,
why did you force yourself to watch that?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well, listen, you know it's funny.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
You can tell that was supposed to be a Spider
Man twenty ninety nine cartoon.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, it was clearly they would well, it's even to
the costumes.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
It's yes, it's a slave of many masters. I don't
know if maybe that was a weird whatever, it's it's
his issues because originally it was gonna we're gonna go
throw back to like the sixties comic and they're like, no,
don't do that, and they're like, well, we'll do Spider
Man twenty nine. They're like cool, and then they started
doing that, like never mind, don't do.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
That, and it's like he's done an alien planet.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's basically like shot down every good idea and then
the rest is what we got and it's like, just
let him do Spider Man twenty ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It would have been great. It would have been amazing because.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Especially if you're trying to cheat man, have have old
Peter Parker be Miguel O'Hara's mentor, like that's not part
of the comic, but sure, like who gives it who cares,
you know, who cares?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
No. But the great thing about the comic I really
like is that Miguel O'Hara, and this is something that
I really like in Across the Spider Verse film, is
that Miguel is not a happy dude. No no, no, he's
very He's very the opposite of Peter Parker. He is
not a white crack and he's like, he is an
executive and you know, if you read the original story,

(27:52):
he's kind of a drug and he is a vampire.
Now he's not as evil as they make him in
Across the Spider Verse. And I still think they're gonna
do a redemption rarket asn't matter, but they intentionally and
I think the same thing with Batman Beyond they did
something else as well where they were like, and it
kind of helps because they have Bruce Wayne there, but
they were like, we can't opposites make good storyline telling,

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so we have to make this Batman happy and smiley.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
And you know, the coolest.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Example and the best use is of that is in
Return of the Joker, Yes, where Terry is like, I
can't fight him like you fought him, because I'm.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Not you I'm gonna laugh at him.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, I got to do my own thing. Actually, this
might surprise the people. I actually think Terry might be
my favorite Batman.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
You know, it's funny. I was going to say, I
don't know if Terry is my favorite Batman. But Terry
is a really good Batman.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's cool because you're right. It helps that Bruce is
there and that conflict is that then like so the
classic Bruce Wayne presence is there and and dialed up
to eleven in that point because he's like really, he's
in his eighties yies, so he's really grumpy. He's a
real grumpy gus and to contrast that with Terry. But
Terry's souon is cool. It's the black with the red.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Bat I will tell you this, and I know, I
fink of remember seeing that that Batman Beyond costume was
just like a rough sketch that Bruce Wayne had for
like an alternate suit for Batman, and then said like, oh,
this is the one, but I will, I will, I
will give you this. I don't know if he's the
best Batman. Terry has the coolest Batman suit of all time.
It's so cool and it's so simple and cool.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
It leans into what Bruce tim and that art team
is really good. Yeah, like really clear, silho wet yep,
really streamlined where you immediately like that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
And I only say that because listeners, we got we
have to do this and I don't know if you've
ever been here for one of these.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
So here we go.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's an action figure spotlight because like, right up over
there is a DC animated Terry McGinnis.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I have the Terry McGinnis and I have the Superman.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, I have old Bruces in a box somewhere. I'm
jealous of your crypto. Oh you know what, Like I
have dude, I have that Kyle Rayner too. I have
both those Kyle Rayner's anyway. Yeah, I have the McFarlane
Batman Beyond. He's back in here, and I have two
Batman Beyond there. He's back in the corner. You just
can't really see.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, the my the old Bruce and Lois are are
are storage. I haven't but you got but the Batman
Beyond the coolest.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
It's the coolest design ever, so cool.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
The wings pop out.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Ye and the opening credits by Darwin Cook Cooks are
amazing legend.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a cool show. And
I rewatched that recently and it still holds up. It's
very good. There's I wish I could remember off the
top of my head, but there's several uh terry villains
that are very clearly. That's a spider Man, oh oh yeah,
soccer who's craving.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, well, and then the sound wave guy is shocker.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Sound guy is shocker. There's a knockoff Fantastic Four that
are villains in it.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
But that's That's a thing that I think really makes
that show work is because they stayed away from the Batman.
They used Batman villains occasionally occasionally.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
But they really weighed in. And so you get mister Freeze,
you get a Rosal Gould, eventually.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
You get a clay Face eventually too, don't you. And
I remember that isn't there one where they open up
a jar and they in clay face.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That might just be because inc is very Maybe they
swear to God that maybe I'm mud man. There's a mudman,
but that I don't know that he's directly like, oh
they do bang they do, because but oh yeah he's old, right, Yeah,
that's one of those very special episodes because it's he's
connected to this drug called slappers. And of course then
they hold onto Joker for until they do a movie

(31:22):
because that's.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
The okay, maybe not, maybe he's not it. Yeah, I
was mischuing, I swear to God that they opened a
guitar and I was like.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
But that restraint, Yeah, like, okay, we're not. It's not
going to just be a cavalcade of Bruce's old FoST
Terry's gonna have, he's gonna think he's gonna have, so
he's gonna If you were, if you.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Were doing this now, they would every villain would just
be a knockoff of That.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Would be the younger, newer version, and that maybe high
school friends.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Of Terry, Yes, oh god, and that would be That's
something that spier Man twenty ninety nine did as well.
It is a long time. In fact, I think the
first one is the Green Goblin, and it does.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
There is a version of the Vulture.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
There is a version of Vulture episode an issue one. Yes,
but it's he's really not any more anywhere clothes. He's
just a guy with wings. Yeah, And I think that
green but the Green Goblin they do Green Goblin Venom,
but they don't show up into like issues thirties or forties,
and they are quite different from the other one.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, you got to hold onto that because you did.
And I think it goes back to what we're talking
about too, is you want to make the world feel unique,
You want to make it feel of its own. And
if it's just like you don't want this guy to
just feel like a knockoff of It's something I've interested
and I'm sure they've done it. I just haven't been
as styled into Miles Morales's comics. But I think that

(32:34):
might be the one problem with tying Miles to the
Spider Verse is that there's not a lot of breathing room.
They're like, who are his rokes?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, Miles Miles in his original run, when he was
still in the Other universe. Yeah, fought Venom very early on.
In fact, if I remember right, I'm pretty certain Venom
is who kills his mom.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, And it's like, again, it's the same thing of
like you want them to have their own that's part
of it. If they haven't been antagon, they're good to go.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, it makes them it makes them separate and different
and unique, and speaking is separate and different and unique.
We got to talk about your new comic book.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Danger Boy.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, thank you, which at the time it was recording,
is live on Kickstarter right.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Now for Dangerboycomic dot com.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Dangerboycomic dot com. Tell tell our listeners. You know, they
have a limited time now to get Danger Boy, But
what is it about?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Why?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Why should they check it out?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, if you go head on a Kickstarter. It's my
first go I've been working on comics for a minute now,
but this is my first go at doing superhero comic.
And I think similarly Jason when you're I mean, you
did super Best Friend, and I think there's that element
of like, what do I have to add to this genre? Yeah,
And so I held off for a long time, and
finally it kind of felt like I wanted to do

(33:47):
something that kind of pushed the genre into the twenty
first century, you know, because a lot of superhero comics
superhero media are the dominant still to this day or
the course in media right now, but we're still kind
of like pulling from fantastic, amazing characters that I love
that were made in the thirties, and sixties, occasionally in

(34:08):
the nineties, and so the story follows. You know, it's
set in a cyberpunk future. I kind of pulled from
Watchmen a little bit, and that if superheroes exist, their
timeline is going to be different. It's not going to
just look like our world. If there's a iron Man
like guy right running around, our world's going to look different. Yeah,
So it's it takes place in an alternate cyberpunk esque future.

(34:31):
It follows to Toshi Santos, who's a kind of like
a down on his line.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I like that. You did the double alliteration.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I do the same thing with Mad Moore.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I love it. I love it. I also did a
little bit of I'll talk about this in a minute,
but I pulled from miguel Hair a little bit ethnically ambiguous, like.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Just just a Kyle Rainer.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, Kyle Rainer, like not pulling from one.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Sort of an Irish Hispanic Jude.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Miguel O Hair is the same way.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So your phone is Soshi Santos, who's
a down on luck mechanic by day, but at night
he's danger boy and he's kind of fighting for the
people of a city of Los Toros. As the world's
pre eminent superhero team, the Statement Statesmen are going to
move in and kind of take over, and so to
save his city from them taking control, he teams up
with a kind of like a misfit group that include

(35:18):
like a washed up super villain, an alien refugee, and
a former former super emt And so, you know, if
you're a fan of kind of like the the the
postmodern super storytelling like Invincible or speaking a Batman Beyond,
like a neon grid of Batman Beyond, or a little

(35:38):
of the dash of that, like energetic super Sentai type stuff,
all of that's in there, plus a lot of other things,
you know, I pulled from a lot of like my
hero Academia's in there, like a bunch of stuff. And
so if you love superheroes or you hate superheroes, but
either way you're in. You're looking for something like new
and fresh and kind of like a new take on
this stuff. Danger Boy and the Antagonist is for you.

(36:00):
If you go to dangerboycomic dot com, you can get
it is.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's the It's b o I is the spelling BOI
either spelling for Danger Boy comical gets you there. Oh,
you bought you both bought, well done, well done. So
either spelling will get you the Danger Boy or Danger Boi.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, either one will get you there. But it is
bo I and you can there's We've got amazing variant
covers from artists like Tyrol Cannon and Tango. There's a
bunch of cool stuff. You can get collections of my
previous comics, Cast Theory and hell Bent. You can get
drawn into the comic.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Oh, you gotta ask you this, Yeah, how many pages
of the first issue?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Forty four?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And and I'm coming to this kind. I want a
physical comic of your I want a physical version of
your comic. How much does that kind of cost me?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's gonna cost you probably around eighteen twenty bucks.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Oh yeh see, that's that's perfect. That's perfect price point
for Kixture.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's a that's a double a comic there, and you're
supporting independent comic books, which we think is a very
important thing.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, and is you know, Jason knows intimately, you know
when you're doing it indy on this level, it's you know,
it's a lot, It takes a lot, takes a.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Lot of work and this is the reason why I
haven't done it in a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, and this is the only way you're going to
get a comic comic like this. Like we were going
to different publisher like, hey, do you want my anti
authoritarian superherocomic, and they're like, nah.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Nah, we like mega corporations too, we are a mega corporation.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, that's kind of that. That's kind of the thing
is is you know, the if you look at the
history of superhero comics, a lot of them found their
voice in anti establishment storytelling. Yes, Superman's first appearances, he's
throwing correct landlords off of buildings.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Early Marvel comics pull a lot from counterculture.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I say, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
The first issue, one of the first issues of Captain America,
he's punching Hitler, which, by the way, in nineteen forty
that's when it came out, nineteen forty one, it was
considered to be controversial, which is crazy. And then Action
Comics number seven, Superman beats up a slum lord for
having the building's rent to ide. That is a real
issue of Superman.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
So that's the core. And then like everything happens, like
you know, they become successful, they start making money, they
get owned by these corporations, and so the kind of
trajectory of these characters changes. So you go from Superman
that's bleeding up Salt Mords to Superman represents the Reagan
presidency and Dark Knight returns, you know, yes, and so
that's kind of the trajectory of these and so I
kind of wanted to take back, take superheroing back to

(38:20):
its roots roots and kind of look at you know,
there's a lot of the spirit of Watchmen and The
Boys and that there is a little bit of the
deconstruction in there. And I love Watchmen a lot. I
like the Boys Show a lot, but I also felt like,
you know, we kind of start in a deconstruction place,
but I wanted to move you know, we live in
a very cynical time. I'd argue, we live in a

(38:41):
very nihilistic time, and I kind of wanted to push
forward of like, great, you know this this genre is
still powerful and beloved, So, you know, how do we
move it forward? How do we how do we reconsider
what makes something heroic? Is a hero? So that's part
of the question that are at the heart of the story,
and I kind of wanted to take the ethos, even

(39:04):
even though it is like an alternate cyberpunk ask future,
I kind of want to take the original Marvel ethos
of the world outside your window. And that world has
changed a lot, and so what here being a hero means?
I think, as far as pop culture is, concern concern
has changed a lot, and I kind of wanted to
engage tell a story that engages with that motion all

(39:24):
being cool and fun and kick ass and like something
you're really gonna enjoy reading.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Now, I'm going to put you on the spot here
a little bit. You may not know this. I think
you know this.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I could be you know, like I couldn't remember anything
about what your Blade Runner took place in right what's
the final day of your campaign?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Final day of my campaign is in Flux right now?
Is in Flux right now?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Okay, okay, So that's good. So it could be. So
I can guarantee you when you're listening this, it is live.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It is live.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
But I was going to ask you a question, and I'm
going to put you right in the air, and you know,
if you don't know the answer, that's totally cool.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, because I think doesn't.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Kickstarter have a new feature now where you can like
sort of leave a campaign, sort of live where people
can pick up the book.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Figuring that out. Ok yes, I don't know either way.
There will probably be there will be back a back
way backer kids, so there will be ways to get.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Even if if you're listening to this later and the
campaign's over, go check it out. Yeah, but Danger Boy
any spelling dot com but any spelling right, Yeah, any
Dangerboard comic, Danger Boy comics, sorry, dangerboycomic dot com. Danger
boycomic dot com will also get you there, but only
the I version Danger Boy.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
No other. I can't just put an agent there, like
I can't be like Danger Bull. Yeah comic, no Danger Boys.
You go through all twenty six letters and just.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Covered all just in case. No, either either version of
dageboor comic go get there. You're rich, right yeah, ges
uh yeah right yeah yeah. And then uh and then
I think when we were originally talking, you know, just
gonna behind the curtain a little bit. It was gonna
be the campaign was going to be done a couple
of days after, but I'm looking at oh smart later

(40:52):
starting pushing back my launch day.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Okay, we'll talk about that more point is listening to
Boy Comic any spelling dot com And even.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
If you've missed the campaign. If you have missed the campaign,
please the love of God co contribute. But if you
happen to have missed the campaign, if you go to
dangerboar comic dot com, either said something will be there
or there'll be a link to the store where you
can still pick up.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
There will be a link in the description of this
episode if you can't find it where we go through
every letter a boy.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
But if you want all the special perks and everything
and all that stuff, try and get it while it's
so live.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, all right, Uh, everybody's like get back to Batman
and we're like, look, support support independent art.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
If you want to listen. If you want the first
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Speaker 3 (41:38):
By the way, I'm just gonna throw those out to
you live on the air.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
If you have you should really quickly get your letter
or somebody to like take one, take a splash page
of Danger Boy and be like and literally put that
in big like wizard type lettering like, do you want
the first appearance of the next of the that is
I'm telling you right now, if you make it like
a retro comic ad, that thing would look so awesome
on social I would share the crap out of that.
Do that, everybody.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Do the big like number one there, first issue collector's edition.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Do you want the first appearance at the next bat
That is a great If I saw that on social media,
I'd be like, I'm gonna click on that link.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I should get We should do uh, we should do
one where he's hanging out with with one of the
characters from Super Best Friend, where it's like, oh, so
now because this character is gonna shoup and there's like
one panel like hey, you're like like wolf ringto those
comments like.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Hey, you can have any of my characters run with them.
You're all you know, listen, run away with it.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
They're here, they're here, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
So speaking of people who are here, we're out in
the future. Let's talk about this dystopian future setting, whether
that's twenty ninety nine or twenty thirty nine. According to
Batman beyond, is there a comic book hero that you
think would not work in a setting like that?

Speaker 3 (42:51):
And I need you to hold your answer, because we
gotta go to ads. We gotta go to ads.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
We gotta give us some money, give Chason someone.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
We'll be right back after this, all right, GJL, we
are back talking about the future of Dystopia, possibly the
first appearance of the new first, the next Batman, the
Danger Boy any spelling?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
What do you think be better next Spider Man and
X Batman go Batman bad?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
That's way more popular.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Kick, But if you want to, you want to, you
want to double down on that conversation, So then you
you make a second ad that's exact same lettering, and
then you cross out Batman and then put spray painted
Spider Man below it.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I'm telling you, if I saw that image, I'd click,
I'd click on that. I'd be like, you know what,
just for the cajones of that, I'm going I'm going
for it. Okay, So Dystopian future setting twenty nine nine,
twenty forty nine, nineteen ninety nine, whatever, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, excuse me, that's what your work.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Doesn't have to be a Marvel or DC character. But
if you want, you know, I know, I just bring
this question only, but who do you think is a character?
Because you mentioned Wolverine when they did his future story.
They made him a Western makes sense. He's a Roan
and he's a cowboy. Is there a character out there
that you're like, hmmm, probably would not work if we
drop them into a Blade Runner type series, or even
made a new version of that character in a.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Blade Runner type in in that kind of setting.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
It's funny.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
They just I forgot about this, just realized, is that
they did this with Spawn last year because there's that
series called rat City written by Erica Schultzen, and you
can look at that and you can kind of be like, oh,
that is Batman beyond Meat, Spawn met Spawn.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, why is it called rat City? Doesn't matter. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Actually I don't know. I read the first issue. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Call Spawn whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Anyway, it's a cool design.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, yeah, man, that's why Span sells comics. He looks cool.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
He looks cool as hell. He looks cool as hell.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
That's the secret. Kids, if you want to know how
to sell super comics, you make your guy look cool.
You're halfway home.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
By the way, this has nothing to do with our
current topic, but I just I said this literally yesterday
in a conversation with Ashley because you know we're coming close.
We're coming on top of a lot of the Big
Two heroes.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Copyright's gonna go up.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I think Superman's drops twenty twenty nine and I think
Batman's is twenty thirty. Yeah, so we're technically unless they
do some corporategans, which they could. You know, we are
in dystopia. We are in the last decade of these
characters being only controlled by the Big Two, and these
characters only being told a certain way, and it's funny.

(45:12):
Speaking of Red City, I said, I was like, Man,
DC needs to be quaking in their boots right now,
because I think there is a creator out there who
has sort of his own little empire who if the
second Batman goes in the public domain, his Batman is
going to be the Batman that I think everybody goes towards.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
And that's Todd McFarland. Oh wow, because.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I think topmic because Tomicon can just do Batman Meet
Spawn until the cows come home, and he can make
action figures of it, and he has that strong artistic viewpoint,
I think his Batman will become the Batman.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
The one benefit you have with Batman is you know,
because like with Steam Steamboat Willie, it's that version of Mickey.
If you do the red Trunks, you're if you find
yourself in court.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
The same as those. Yeah, it's going to be like
only the first year of so they could, so they can't.
You can't do the Joker because the Joker didn' appear
for three more years, what nineteen forty, I think he's
he appears in Batan the technically, So technically I think
the third year that Batman was being published, I was
the Joker and catwe who was called the Cat.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, yeah, Robin appears. This is what makes it confusing.
It was Batman won but winked up comics leading.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Up for like two years.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, yeah, but the cool the thing with.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
So yeah, it's only those golden age characters.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah. In my opinion, Batman's first costume is my favorite
of the Bruce Wayne cost Yeah. Like when Todd mcfar
was speaking of mcfonaland and the McFarland tolways did that Batman,
I'm like, I'm that. Actually, I'm like I'm getting that.
That's my favorite Batman.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Cost Yeah, outside of for Bruce, outside of the Terry Makers.
So that was the Batman that drive around in a
buick and just shot people in the face.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
He used the gun, used the gun. So to the
I think it like Wolverine, and you have to be
a character that doesn't necessarily lend himself to or an
urbanized setting for talking about like a cyberpunk dystopia.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I think you know the one that comes to mind,
even though he is urbani setting, but he doesn't lend
himself to dystopias. I mean, we got his dystopia story.
It's Kingdom Colm and that's Superman.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, sort of, Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of yeah that it's so
it is funny that like Batman and Spider Man were
the ones like, yeah, that's correct, that was with the
right answers to making them cyberpunk stories. Well, because originally
I was going to say that I thought maybe Captain
America would not work, But the more I think about it,

(47:35):
I kind of think Captain America might be a great
character for that because.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
He's already a character at a time.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, and then if you put him in a world
where America doesn't exist anymore, or America is so turned.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, that's a great what is you know, what if
Captain America didn't come out of ice until twenty ninety nine. Yeah,
and it's Steve Rodgers in twenty nine nine dealing with that.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah, it's him in Nueva York.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah and him great? What is
really good? Hulk would be might be weird? Used. The
tricky thing with every Marvel character is there's a version
of them that showed up in twenty ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
There is there is a he looks like a monster,
there was a long tail.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
When twenty nineine happened, I was all into it, all
into it same. I remember that that Hulk was a
crazy monster. There's X Men, and there was there's a
Fantasy four thing with the X Men. Want to talk
about restraint is none of them are the Yeah, yeah,
they're all. I think Wolfing shows up eventually because they
were all Yeah. I actually thought that was a smart choice.
They're all different characters, they're not, which I think was
the smartest choice. And then everybody's twenty nine titled Ravage

(48:33):
the thing written by stan Lee.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
You know, that's one thing I always I always like
to point out when people talk about this stuff. It's like,
you know, Jack Kirby on his own made like New Gods. Yeah,
the Demon Steve Ditkons made the Question and all that
stuff in the Creeper and the Creeper, you know what
I mean. Stan Lee on his own made's Tripperella and Ravage.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's I will say this, you can't, you can't. You
can't discount the man, you know, because it's piece of it.
But there are I always say that there are certain
creatives where like John Lennon and Paul McCartney, they were
the two greatest songwriters that I think of the last
five hundred years when they were together, and I think

(49:15):
that of Jack Kirby and stan Lee, or stan Lee
and Stevico. It's like they were the greatest together. Separate,
they made some good stuff, but never as good as
when they were that hundred issues of fantas like four,
or those forty issues of Amazing Spider Man.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Or you know what.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
About you said the Fantastic Four? What about the fans?
You know it's I think I think because because so many.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Markets at night, not a great round.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I'll just say I will.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
I'm willing to throw that one under the bus.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
You know what, did Tangent you know what did I
think that a really good version of this, Tangent Comics,
Tangent Commrace Deep Cut. But the so much of this
when you go into the future is like, here's how
everything sucks and all those here as you love they
failed and everything is worse. Now. I think the one

(50:01):
that did a good version of it, and this is
this is not cyberpunk. It's just like jumping ahead. Yeah sure,
uh Legend of Kora. Oh yes, what aang and the
Gang they defeated the Fire Nation. Yeah, that's not a
problem anymore. We integrated fine. All that stuff that they
did worked, it worked out.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
That's one that I think other problems came up. That's
a series that I think you could just keep hopping forward.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Well to tie it back. Thank you for that. Tie
it back. I've always thought you should instead of doing like,
you know, another ten years in the future, whatever, go
one hundred years in the future. Have it be a
cyberpunk just skip over what we would consider the modern era,
jump to a cyberpunk future because it's already anime influenced.
Akira's right there, Ghost in the Shells right there, and

(50:40):
you can call it something like the last Avatar where
it's like, people don't bend anymore because we have technology,
we have cell phones and stuff, so why would anybody bend,
you know? And so now it's like, what does the
avatar do? What function do they do? And that's your
dramatic question.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I was trying to do some googling here because there
are two characters that I think would do really really
well in the future, in a future even dystopia. Yeah,
and one of them I think is Zorro, I think,
and the other and the other one is the Shadow.
And I was doing some googling because I was just

(51:13):
trying to be like, did they do that with both
of them?

Speaker 3 (51:16):
And I can't think.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I can't find any I would say it probably has
happened with both of them.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Or at least they tried. I think they might have tried.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
With and I think there were only comic books.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I think they What I'm confusing it with is they
definitely did an animated series of The Phantom that I remember,
the ypan future.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
And again, it's funny, it is.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
And maybe this is why spider Man and Batman work
is because spider Man, even though spider Man is a
very distinct Marvel character. Spider Man I think is the
most like the Golden Age characters, like because all of
DC characters are basically Golden Age characters, and I think
that's the reason why they are like very translatable, because
they're they're very mythic, whereas like all the Hulk is

(51:56):
really hard to jump into the like like, yeah, we
have the Maestro and stuff like that, but yeah, you
like I said, we have a whole twenty nine and
all they did was like, well, let's just make it
more of a monster.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Look like Godzilla a little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, And Fantastic Four is just always at the cutting
edge of the future, so you just like, well, putting
them in the future of the future doesn't really do anything.
But spider Man is because it spider Man's story is universal,
and so is Batman's in a lot of ways, because
Batman is just a vengeance story and Spider Man is
a responsibility story. And then you know, most of the polpiros,

(52:26):
they're just like that's what it is. It's just like
most of their stories are about a feeling, and it's like, well,
you can take that universal feeling and drop it into
any time period and it kind of works, which I
think is the reason why we have so many alternate Batman's,
but there are other heroes like yeah, it is like
like it's like, you know, like Superman in the Future
kind of works, but not really.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, you know, it's it. That's a really good point.
I did like what they did with Batman. Beyond it
was funny when you bring up Superman, because you're right
in that, I kind of don't care. Spider Man, to me,
does not need to be a Peter Parker. I get
it could be Miles Morouse. He can gree with Yaela
hera similar with Batman. Batman could be Terry mcinnab be
Gwen's Bay. Yeah. Yeah, I still think that the creation
should be Batman. I think they should have let that
run a little bit longer.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Oh, my friend, we did an episode a couple weeks back,
and in it we got to talking about Batman because
I'm I'm not listeners this podcast. No, I've not been
happy with the state of Batman in quite a while. Yeah,
and I'm at this point I'm tired of Batman. I
think I actually want Batman to go away for a
while because I think we have no because he's the
only thing propping up Warner Brothers. But I think his

(53:27):
he's become very redundant, and I want to shake up Batman,
and I think that's you know, so I love Batman
beyondcause Batman Beyond really shakes up. And I've said a
couple of times where I'm like, you know what, I
know everybody loves their continuity and loves this thing and
loves this idea of the Simpsons that Bart can ever
leave the fourth grade and stuff like that, But I
was like.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Sometimes I think the best thing that could have ever
happened to Batman was that, like back in two thousand
and eight when they killed Bruce Wayne.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
That.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
For literally the last almost twenty years, it's just been
we've just been getting Dick Grayson Batman story.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yes, I think we lived. Because you have a poster
of Kyle Rainer there is he was Greenland for twenty years,
right ninety how come.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
He appeared ninety four? I don't think how came back.
I think how came back like two thousand and five,
only ten years you got like ten, but it was
it was a bit. The better one is you is
Wally West. Wally West was flash for.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Twenty it's always more interesting than that.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Wally was Barry was dead for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, yees stayed dead. You should have stayed I think
Kyle should still be Green Lantern should still be well
I flash again, but it was.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
I almost It's almost that argument where I say about
those worlds where I almost think the best thing that
could have ever happened, especially the DC universe, is like
if we just let these characters age in real time.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, the only the only characters that that for some reason,
And maybe it's because even if you left them age
in real time, they can still be those characters, the
ones that I'm like, no, only this person, only Kyle L.
Clark Kent can be Superman. It might like for some reason,
like no, he's Superman and the Marvel equivalent is Wolverine. Yep,
Lord Kenny's great, but you but you also name two

(54:57):
characters that are basically mortal, And what if I the reason?
For some reason, they're like when people.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
To me, I feel like with a Hulk, where I'm like,
I'm like, any anybody can be the Hulk.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah you know, Yeah, do I feel that way about
the Hulk? I don't know, But for some reason when
people like make like they're like Miles Miles.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
In America, Like I I think, I think Bucky Barnes
and Sam Wilson are all both good.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Capt Mary. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I like what the MCU has done by making what
they've done to make Sam Wilson cap Uh makes sense. Buck,
he's my favorite cat from the comics. Customs cool. There's
a little bit more internal conflict like but but yeah,
it's just interesting. So I get when it goes to
dystopian cyber.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, you know, basically your answer is Alpha Light, got it?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Al Wow, that wouldn't be good. Yeah, maybe fantastic for you.
I think your your argument there that they're already kind
of futuristic Superman. You could do stuff. Uh, but I think,
like again, his his version of the Dark Knight returns
his version of Batman beyond his Kingdom. Come. Yeah, that's
the disto. I mean, it's a Justice leg story, but
it's a Superman story functionally, or even all starts in

(55:59):
that all start SUPERSI on a dystopia.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Not really in the future, it's not really but yeah,
but I and I get what you're saying of Yeah,
and yeah, I don't know, it's.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Green Lantern would not be hard to do because he's
already Green Lantern, but he's already jumped around the alien world,
so it wouldn't feel that different and just be like, oh,
this is just I know it's supposed to be a world,
but it might as.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Well that's a thing alien.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
You know again, I think you might have hit it
up in the very beginning of this podcast is that
it had. There are two characters that are very tied
to their city, specifically Yea, and I think that is
the reason of like we're watching and they are very mantles.
Both of them are like, look, whatever you think about
brucele Yes, Bruce Wayne probably is the best Batman Okay, whatever,
blah blah blah objectively, but like, I don't know, I

(56:37):
find the more interesting Batman stories are like I said,
like Terry McGinnis, Like, that's one of the things I
love about Batman beyond is that you watch Terry McGinnis
actually have an arc. Like when he starts out he
is the bumbling kid, and then when you get to
Return of the Joker, he's.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Actually a pretty good bat pretty capable.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah, he's pretty and then and then when we saw
those justgue episodes, he's the he's the leader of the
Justice League.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And they do and they kind of do the kind
of take to Grayson's art for yeah, where it's one
of those now he's kind of the he is the
better Batman in that he's able to integrate his life.
It's not all consumer.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
And they do the same thing with Miguel O'Hara in
the comic books, and I'm kind of hoping that's what
we see because the MIGUELI.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Hera where we're no way. The third Spider Man movie
ends with Miguel's like the back either.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
No, no, no, He's gonna redeem himself. I guarant I one
hundred percent believe they're going to redeem him. He's he's
what I call the fake antagonists, yeah, because the.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Spot or whatever is that.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
But what he is in the Spider Verse movies is
who he becomes at the end of his run, like
because there's a gag in the because Peter David loves
to do like little comic bits, there's a gag and
like the first five issues of Spider Man twenty eight
nine that he like needs to put on the suit
because he sees something out of his window. And he
and because of he's so high up in the way

(57:48):
the windows are, they don't open, and so he keeps
breaking the windows. And he has like a holographic assistant, Lila,
and Lila's just like I just replaced that this morning,
you know, And so he like he just keeps breaking one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Yeah, and he's very.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Can install on your own, you can install the special
one for you.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah, but he's very he's very not capable.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
And then like he and his run very you know,
as like a very capable, very strong spider Man. So yeah,
maybe maybe that's what it is interesting. Yeah, well, you know,
here we are in the future, DJ, we're at the
end of the podcast. The future of the podcast.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
I hate to tell you that it's become dystope outside.
It's full on and.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'm shocked. This is my shocked face.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
But you know, the good thing is is that, uh,
you know, we got to take a journey together, DJ,
real quick.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Tell him about it was the friends we made along.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Exactly exactly, So DJ, you know, tell them about the
awesome podcast you do. Also where they can find more
Danger Boy, where they can find you online if they
want to check you out in their Dystopian future of
you know, a couple days of listening to podcast.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, yeah, I do a podcast, couple of STUPI answers.
Jason is on mini episode. It's been a minute because
he's been busy doing writing TV shows and stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
On CBS on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Check it out.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Go check it out. Uh, the episodes are airing at
this point.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
But the thing is you need to go go to
Dangerboy Comic dot com. Please go back it.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
You determine any spelling Dangerboycommic dot dot com. I'm doing
that because I want him to buy all those URLs.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
It's just kid all No Dangerboy Comic dot com is
I'm sure you all know from listening to this thing.
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Speaker 3 (59:21):
The real art is in the indie art.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
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Speaker 3 (59:31):
Do you call them a superhero anywhere in the issue?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
You know it's it's it's tricky because the antagonists are
technically the superheroes, and so as he would say, hell, no,
I'm not a superhero. But it's a part of that redefining,
you know. The Statesman kind of represent you know, kind
of the old way of thinking of what a superhero is. Sure,
and Stoi and the antagonists kind of represent a new
way of thinking about what that is. So none of

(59:55):
them would do they would be offended if you called
them superhero Okay, got it. But as far as my
creative thing, my creative vision is, this is getting closer
to what I think superhero maybe could or should be,
Okay of represent nar in the twenty first century. So
if you want to back the twenty first century Batman,
or for the new Batman, or you want to be
at the ground flour of the new wave of superheroing,

(01:00:17):
go to Dangerboycomic dot com back you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
That's a I love that you said that statement because
I remember when I was writing Super Best Friend, and
you talked about earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
You were like, what can you bring that's new to
the superhero genre?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
And when I was writing basically Captain Terrific the Superman analog,
my whole thing was I was like, you know, what.
I don't think if Superman existed in the real world
that he'd be stopping many jewelry thieves. I don't think
he would care about that. I honestly think he would
be doing disaster relief and like helping people out. So

(01:00:49):
like I that's why I like, I intentionally do this.
If you notice, he never punches another human in the
entire book. He only punches monsters. And then I was
always trying to be like, oh, he's rebuilding houses after
the hurricane, and like, because I actually do think so
I like that, you know this danger boy, I like that,
Like you got to think about, Yeah, we are stuck
in this nineteen thirty ways one hundred years ago of

(01:01:12):
the way superheroes are thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, and this is not this. I've been picking up
the picking up the comic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
This is not you know, I want say the Superman
Batman World's Finest published by DC. I'm having a lot
of fun with that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah, it's it's great. Okay, so now we now he
said thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Now we go thumbs But like you know, absolute Batman
is trying to innovate with the character and it's doing
a lot of interesting things, Like he's not a billionaire anymore.
I think he's an engineer. But like, what's the threat.
There's a massive crime wave and I'm like, that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You know, the the Sorry the podcast intern Cat just
decided to make an appearance bregout the intern Cat decided
it'd be like, Hey, at the end of this podcast,
I want to say, how the DJ i't oh, there
you go, break the podcast intern cat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I just walked in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I never considered my cat's small until I saw your cat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Why he's tiny?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
My little cat's tinying because you're just like as a
normal sized cat. But anyway, uh yeah, just so the
the the it's still dealing with like well, because it's
Batman and similar with you know, across the Aisle. You
got also the Ultimate Line and stuff like that, and
there's only so much and it's not anything with these cretis,
but there's only so much you can do with these properties,

(01:02:13):
you know, and so kind of like breaking free of
those reins and and like just literally exactly what you're
talking about with Captain Terrific is like, what what does
being a hero represent to me with the issues that
we're dealing with today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, I think it's great Dangerboy comic dot com any
spelling go.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
I'm certain, uh you have action figures over there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Kind of wish. I wish. No, I don't do well dude,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Like luxury cars.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Just the comic, man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
You know, that's all you need. That's what I was
talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yeah, that's all you need. The all you need is
the comics. You don't need shirts and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
You see lots of other kickstars that have crap.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
All that stuff. I don't know how they do it, dude.
They cost money man like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
They're poor. That's they're not affording it. That's what they're like.
They're going there, they're going to debt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
I don't do shirts and like that because it's money loose. No, no, no,
I say the same thing. Yeah, it's all you it's
just the common.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
You're pro writing a story and that's all you need.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Here's what you guys are paying for. Honest to god,
you're paying. You're paying. My artist, Sean Shoan Peacock is
a living late. He's doing the illustrated illustrations and coloring.
Taylor Esposito, who worked on Super Best Friend, Yeah and
Junter Jed Taylor's great Yeah it's doing the lettering. Yeah,
you're paying the artists. Yep uh, that's that's what you're
paying for. And let me tell you, I've been looking
those pages. It's well worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
No, the art's great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, Shawn doing great, great work.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
So also, everybody out there, don't forget you can listen
to geek History lesson anywhere you can find podcasts. Don't
forget to describe it. Come check out the Pagreon dot
com slash John on it is j W I I
M you find more DJ and GHL extra. I'm Jason
Inman on Blue Sky.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Come check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Come hang on on Blue skuy because at gig guests
lessons now on Blue Sky.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Go check that out. And what's that I need to get?

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
O s A oh for Blue Sky. That's right, because
every time I log on Twitter, it's like being accosted.
It's like, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Leave that evil place behind, Leave that evil place behind.
But now we have to talk about what have we
learned today? Well, we've learned, whether it's Nueva York or
Neo Gotham, the future is just capitalism with ugly flying cars.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
DJ. What have you learned today?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
What did I learned today. I learned that noodles can
apparently come out of the come out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Of the cart, or so they add water to it.
There's a future thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
The noodles will be future.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
You know. I hate the noodles are being called nudes now.
Oh yeah, it's a real thing in nudes. So it's like,
have you heard, like the new word for sandwiches is Sammy's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Sometimes I'll use Sammy's for five Like everything is ficial.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
You know, or or doggo you know. Like it's like
all of all of our words are being shortened. So
I was gonna say, what's your pitch for? What do
we call noodles in the future? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
What do we call you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I don't want to call them nudes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
I don't want to call them nudes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Well, I like doggle because it is actually longer than dog. Yeah,
so let's call them nude leos nude LEAs. Yeah, just
for like, why are you making it harder? Because it's
the future.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
All right, Well, wave a noodle.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
See you in the future again, and thank you for
joining us on the podcast, and everybody, thank you out
there for joining us. Thank you so much for listening
to gee hsher Lesson. I'm Jason Inman, and your class
is now dismissed.

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