November 18, 2025 • 31 mins
Are looking your best to maximize your dating possibilities? Has your mirror not been your best friend recently? We break down Botox, fillers, refreshing, aesthetic improvements, and everything you need to do to look younger, fresher, and more datable!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Pod Popular Podcast for the People, The.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Great Love Debate.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's the Great Love Debate, the Great Love Debate. It's
a Great Love Debate. Hi, Jenny, watch Brian how We
welcome to the Great Love Debate, the world's number one
dating relationship podcast. It's twenty fifteen. I'm back here in
the very fine studios of Pod Popular Podcasts for the People.
I'm with the one in Scottsdale, Arizona. There's a renovation
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going on in here, so if you come here in
the near future, you'll be like, Wow, what do they
do to that place? I hope, But it's a nice
time you're here. It's the full Scott's Dazzle going on
here in the valley. A lot of people come to us,
or they listen to the show, or they come to
our live shows, and they talk about, well, they haven't
had a whole lot of success dating, or their first
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dates aren't turning into second dates, or they're not getting
any hits on their online dating profile, et cetera, et cetera.
At it infinite them. And a lot of that is
just timing, and a lot of that is is bad luck,
and a lot of that is you haven't been at
it long enough, but way too much of it is
you don't look your best. People. You don't look that good.
(01:15):
I don't look that good. There's another level that you
could take your game to that you probably haven't thought
about it. So I brought in a pro here today.
Who's gonna help me? And you guys try and look
and feel our best because how you look and how
you feel and your confidence level means everything. Jacqueline Murray,
how are you? She's a estetis I want to get
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your qualifications right?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Esthetician not an esthetician?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Not an esthetician? Is that below? You take that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No? Or I can't take that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You're a SPA owner.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Technically, yes, I'm a nurse injector, so I say, like
an aesthetic nurse injector, but I'm not an esthetician. They
go to like a little school and like go through
all those things. I did not do that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Can you can be botox right now? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I don't have it with me. But if I did?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Do you have botox in your car?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Is botox a thing? Still? Is that still? Number one?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So Filer's, well, we're gonna get in all that. Yeah,
somebody comes to you generally what is the most popular
thing you're looking to do just to shot between the
eyes and it perks it all up.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, So I think it's kind of funny we do
say neurotoxin is kind of how we're trying to say
it because botox is brand name, So neurotoxin we kind
of say is like a gateway drug, like a gateway medication.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
People start with that. Yeah, like let's start with a
little a little botox, and.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Then you get addicted and then you just want to
do other things, like you don't have to go over
the top, especially like the way I practice. I try
to help people look very natural, but you know, just
make those subtle tweaks to help them look more well
rested or to help their skin. It's not just neurotoxin
and filler. There's there's a huge world around aesthetics that
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can just help your overall skin and replenishables volume.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, let's talk about that because there's obviously sleep and
hydration goes a long way, and we are in a
place that is really tough. It's rough on the skin here, right,
but a lot of people look really good and young here.
Do we have you to thing for that?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You and your colleagues, we probably have the most. I
would not be surprised if we have the most medspas
per capita in the US, or nurse injectors, just because
the laws around owning a business in a medspot in
Arizona different than a lot of other states.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So you mentioned it. It's kind of a gateway dreg.
So somebody comes in there and they do like, let's
see what we can do to make you. People want
to look younger, they want to look more refreshed, they
want to they want to look better. Where do you start?
Where do you start? How do you analyze somebody? Because
you're not like taking blood here, you're basically you're using
your eyeballs. Yeah, and you can't be offensive, or maybe
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you can. You can't just be like god that ship. Really.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I try to ask, like, do you mind if I
point out some other things we could work on, because
some people just want to address the lines on their forehead.
That's it. They do not want you to point out
everything else, right, So I try to ask, but I
would say, yeah, biggest thing is I have them tell
me why they're in my chair, Like what bothers you?
When you look in the mirror? What is the number
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one thing that you are displeased with? Or when you
look at a photo of you, you know, like like
anytime we look at a picture of ourselves, we always
look at that one thing we hate about ourselves. So
it's kind of like, what's that thing, and then let's
start there, because if I don't help improve that, but
I improve other things, you're still not going to be happy.
You're still going to see that thing you hate. Aesthetics
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is not plastic surgery. So I am very honest. Sometimes
if what you want is plastic surgery, I will tell
you that. But first, a lot of people it's you know,
these static lines in their forehead or the sundown image
on their face, or the sagging in their face, their jowl, sagging.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The neck, which I need. Yeah, nothing really fixes that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Butt surgery, yeah, I would suggest plastics.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's the dirty little secret. You can inject shit all
you want, and it's you still look like a turkey. Yep. Yeah,
but people look at you, and so you know, botox
does work. A lot of people wait too long to
get it done and then they panic and uh, and
they just overshoot themselves. But there's a way to do it.
It looks natural. I had a a plastic surge because
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he's a plastic surgeon friend of mine, and I asked
him about like all the overinflated lips, Yeah, especially in
LA And I go, why do people do that? It
never looks good? He goes, you only notice the bad ones.
He's like, there's so many that are awesome, and you
think they're perfectly natural. And that's the goal, right to
make it look like somebody looks great without making it
look like somebody got something done. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
We always say a good injectable is undetectable, So I
do get in that. I wouldn't call it an argument,
but I try to just educate people, like when it
is done right. I mean, we're spending thousands and thousands
of dollars on training and being educated, and the aesthetic
industry has come such a long way just in the
past fifteen ten years on the type of fillers we have.
(06:19):
So it's not like we're using the same filler all
over your face. Well, now we have fillers that we
would put around your smile lines, your lips.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Is that wrestling that's a.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Whole line like Loherama.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So yeah, rest I'm uneducated exactly. But I'm a guy,
so that brings that up. Are guys doing this now,
I would.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Say, And I'm sure they've been doing it for a
very long time. I do think so many people have
been doing aesthetics since Botox came out. But we didn't
have Instagram the way we do, We didn't have Facebook.
Nobody was talking about it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And botox has become more mainstream. Botox once it hits Ohio,
it's everywhere. But for a while, you know, even yoga
was like a Los Angeles, New York thing, yes was.
You know, things get into the country now like it's
very common to do. But botox now is the same
as coloring your hair. For a lot of women, it's
not something they hide. It's not that they're shamed of.
And it's like I want to look good. You know,
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a lot of women you hear them sort of brag
about like, oh look, i've never had botox. Who cares? Like,
who cares? As long as you look good? Look good?
And a lot of I won't even just say women
people are afraid that once they give in and they
have to go see you, it's like a line they
don't want to cross. No, pun intended, but really it
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shouldn't be any different I think from the people I
know who do this than going to your hair salon.
It's really just trying to touch the It's getting rid
of your gray hair. Right. A wrinkle is essentially aging,
which is essentially gray hair, and you have no problem
touching that up. So I don't know why you would
be reluctant to mess with the face.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
No, and that's actually one again, not argument, but something
I kind of touch on a lot is like, Okay,
we're going to bash people for doing botox or filler
to change their appearance, which we're not changing your appearance
or just botox does not change your appearance. It just
makes it to where you can't animate. But for the
most part, right now I don't have any. But it's
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not like my face would look any different. You would
maybe just think I'm not moving my eyebrows.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
There's a lot of people expressive.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There's so many people who are not expressive, So you
might sit there or that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Someone else's at jokes or if someone else.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Might judge them and think they have botox, right, because
now that's in everyone's head, But like, no, maybe that
person just doesn't raise her.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
She just didn't like me.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I just had a client in her forties. She had
no static lines and when I would ask her to
raise she maybe had one line. She had no crows. Right,
But I guarantee you sheets people every day who think
she's getting botox. But that's just her genetics, that's her skin,
that's her tissue. So but yeah, that's one thing I
say is like people will say you're changing your appearance
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with botox or fillers, right, but but we're not bashing
people for going and dyeing their hair bleach blond. That's
changing your appearance. Nutting your nails done, changing your appearance.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And there's there's less than less to do to sort
of I guess the the uptick in Bravo viewership, there's
a lot less stigma around it. There's a lot less
I mean, people just do it. The number one thing
that makes the biggest difference, though, for some reason is
like I said before, it's the botox between the eyes.
It's the forehead, and it's not around the mouth, around
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the eyes, the places where we think or that is
sort of a trigger that affects the whole face. Why
is that the area that tends to work versus you.
You know, we don't pay it when when somebody looks older.
We rarely focus on the forehead, but for some reason,
that is the thing that changes the face the most.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, so typically we look full face right because it's
all working together. But I will say that's the most
commonplace people will start. That's the most commonplace that people
focus on. It these really deep eleven lines or they're
really deep lines on their forehead. And then some people
are like, I'm fine with my crows. I'm fine with
down here. You know who's fine with your crows site?
(10:10):
I don't know some people. I actually haven't done mine
in a while. I'm thirty one, though, so like they're
not static. I'll probably do them once a year, but
I don't need to have them gone.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Can you do yourself time?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I have before, but I'm going to have some A
friend Jack.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So you said you're thirty one, When did you first
start doing it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So fun So first time I ever got botox, I
want to say I was twenty six. I was in Quarterline,
Idaho on a mountain biking trip with my best friend
and it was her fortieth birthday and she was like,
for my fortieth birthday, We're going to the medspot and
I'll pay for your boatoks and we're gonna get botoks done.
I was like cool, Like oh, you were like cool,
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You're not like I know I'm pre botok.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Oh yeah, but at twenty six, are you like, what
do I need botox?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
For sure? No? I didn't think that at all. I said,
look at this forehead. It moves a lot I would
love and it's free. Yes, Like, let's do it. It's temporary.
If I hate it, it wears off in three months,
no one would even know I had it done. Like
after the three months, I'd be moving again. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Right, it's not permitted it last three it lasts a
few months.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yep. I went for it and I was addicted. I
was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And the cost of the botox it's measured in.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Ccs units units.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And do you tell the person up front, like you're
gonna need a lot or how do you know how
much it's going to take? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Totally. Every everybody is different, right, So with a neurotoxin,
especially Allergan who owns Botox, They've done a lot of
FDA research, So the FDA approved dosing for your glabella
forehead and your crows is sixty four units. Now they
just got another cosmetic FDA approval actually for your platisma bands,
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so now they actually have FDA approval up to one
hundred units.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
For those responds.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Your platisma is this giant muscle right here that attaches
down here and then right here on your face and
that pulls your face down. Mm hmm. And so when
you go like this, these bands, yeah, those are platisma bands.
Oh so yeah, you can get the platisma right here
and then your bands, and then it kind of relaxes, right,
because most of our muscles are pulling down on our face.
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And that's why our face sinks down is because those
muscles are constantly pulling.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Gravity is not our friend. I used to have a
girlfriend for a long long time who she wouldn't do botox,
but she would just drown herself in mountain dew and
Twinkies and Big Max And I'm like, why do you
eat that crap? And she goes cause it's filled with preservatives,
and she goes, I want to be almost mummified from
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the preservatives. And she looked fantastic. She might have been.
She might have been right. I'm not sure how good
it was for her overall health, but she's like, the
preservatives in the food will preserve my body. So I
don't know how that. I don't know how she looks now,
but I'm like, oh, it seems to work. Okay, I
gotta take a quick break because I think we can
to pay for botox around here. I'm with Jacqueline Murray.
We're talking about all things that you guys are going
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to do better to look better. We will be back
right after this, and we are back how often? How
let me ask this, So somebody's got a wedding coming
up in a week, botox will how long does it
take to kick in?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Two weeks?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Two weeks? Okay, two weeks and then you're good for
so three months.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Dosage equals duration, So ideally, if we're doing that FDA
approved dosing. Again, everybody is different, but when we dose
you appropriately, sometimes it'll take us a while to get
to know you specifically, because all of our anatomy is different.
Males typically need more units than females. Super Active people
typically need more. If you're in the sauna.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Long because you sweat it out.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
You have a high metabolism. So when we have your dosage, great, yeah,
up to three months. Ideally you're not back at baseline
at three months, but you will have movement probably at
three months. Some people will hold on to it longer.
Some people will burn it and they're doing it every
three months, but they're still not back at their baseline movement.
So if you were to compare their before photos, they're
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moving more in that first before that first treatment, first
they're other ones.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Does the body get used to it though? And then
you have to do more? Is it like any other drugs?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Some people are saying you can build a resistance. Probably
over time, you can kind of build resistance to most
medications we have. But I mean I do see more
often though that we people are being undertreated. So they're saying, oh,
it doesn't work, it wore off. It's six weeks for me.
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And then I'm like, how much are you getting? And
like this just happened. I asked the gal how much
are you getting? And she said twenty five units for
here and here, and I'm like that's crazy, Like FDA
approved dose is four units for hearing here, So that's
why your talks is wearing off. It's because you're not
getting enough and you're doing hot plates every single day
and you're thirty, right, so like you were under dosed.
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So your nurse injector did you a disservice, probably to
stay in your budget. However, if you can't afford it, well,
let's save up till you can't afford the dose. That
way you actually feel like you're getting what you're paying
for instead of trying to stay in your dose. It's
just gonna like within your budget, it's gonna wear off
so much faster.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And the older you get, like anything else, the skin
becomes less palable, whatever the word is.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So yeah, that's really that, and that's when it pays
to have an educated injector, because you know, you can't
treat a thirty year old the same way you're treating
someone in their fifties and sixties. I have a lot
of elasticity and collagen still in my skin that holds
me taut. As you lose that elastin, if we completely
freeze your muscles, you don't have anything to hold you
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taught anymore because your skin sagging. So what we do
is a lot of time is back off a little bit,
change our placement and sometimes you'll be left with a
little bit of movement, but you'll still have that muscle
to hold you taught. So a good injector is not
going to inject someone with loose, looser skin more like
lost velacity the same way they treat a twenty year
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old or a thirty year old.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Do people come in with a picture and they're like,
I want to have that Nicole Kidman frozen face?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, not really. I've had one person like send me
a photo like of them like fifteen years ago, and
they're like, I want to look like this with botox.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And I'm like, I'm not a magician.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I can't do that with boat talks.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I can't do that with botox. Well now, so somebody
I brought up the dating thing. So somebody's you know, Tuesday, Wednesday,
they meet somebody either online or whatever, and that person
wants to go out with them Saturday. There's nothing. What
can they do in two three day I mean a
facial What.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Can they do in two facials?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Does a facial leave you red for several days or no?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There's different ones. Hydro facials. I just got two laser
treatments before I came here, like literally.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right, Well, we appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah. So I got an IPLA treatment in a Hollywood
facial treatment and that's to help stimulate collagen treat sun damage.
So I really don't have that much, but it's because
I wear sunscreen. But I have a couple spots here
that we're trying to lift. And then I've had cystic
acne for a long time, so I'm really trying to
like finish clearing this up. I have some redness, some
scarring that we're after, but that doesn't really have crazy downtime.
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Like I could go on a date, Well, I am
going to dinner tonight and my skin looks.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Fine, and you got something done today. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Hydro facials, you can get those done within two to
three days of like your wedding or a really important event.
Gives you a nice shine to your skin. As far
as injectables go, I actually had a goal book and
appointment and in her note she booked and said I'm
getting married two weeks from this date and I've never
had botox before. And I was like called her and
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I was like, you need to come in before. Sorry
this bug, I said, you need to come in before that.
Two weeks.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You need to practice, you need to see how the
body takes it.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Right, Well, let me assess you first. Let me see
how anxious of a human you are. Yeah, let me
see if you even need it. Well, turned out she
didn't need it. She actually had no static lines. What
she wanted was a little bit of volume replacement in
her cheeks because she had lost some fat in her cheeks.
So yeah, I was like, actually, you don't want neuro
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talks and you want filler. But one thing that can
be risky is let's say your talks kicks in slightly
uneven or maybe you need touch ups at that two
weeks because you've never had it before. I don't know
you two weeks. It's your wedding day, right, so if
you have an eyebrow that slightly moves more, or maybe
you just hate it, right, right, it's your wedding day. Yeah,
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you've already hired everyone. Like it can be risky, So
especially around your wedding, you should start working with your aesthetic,
your estheticians, your nurses. I would say a year before.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Your wedding to town what does collagen do? Because I
know you could take it as a pill like you
take like vegetarians have trouble getting into collagen because it
comes from bovine, Right, Yeah, Can I just rub collagen
on my face or that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Collagen is a very large molecule. So there's a lot
of people who will argue whether it's worth your time
to take oral collagen. What I do is treatments like
micro needling that three treatments in a year produces three
to four hundred percent more collagen. Once we turn mid
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twenties thirties, we lose one percent of collagen a year.
That's just that baseline. UV rays break your collagen down
as well. Smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, your diet all those things.
Your hormones, all those things affect that as well, your genetics,
all those things. So we have certain treatments that can
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help stimulate your collagen. We can also kind of call
it biohacking in a way, so we're tricking your body
into producing more collagen and elastin. So Sculpture is one
of those. Sculpture as a biostimulator created for HIV AIDS
patients who had all that fat loss in their face,
so they were injecting that to try and give them
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their volume back, and they actually saw that it had
a very esthetic outcome and people were getting more volume
and then their skin was looking a lot better. So
it actually made its way into the esthetic industry because
of that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Does botox do wrinkles show up more on fair skinned
people or dark skinned people?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Question?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I have Mediterranean olive skin, is am I more likely
to wrinkle? Because it just doesn't make it? Because here,
I mean, I know a lot of people come here
from other places in the world here in Arizona, but
it is three hundred and fifty days of sunshine here
and strong sunshine, and so you obviously have to wear
sunscreen to that, but a lot of people didn't. You're
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not quite old enough to remember, like close tanning beds.
It's all spray tan now, but back in the day,
people used to just fry the shit out of themselves.
And that damage keeps you in business. Right, Yes, you
can tell right away how much. It's like, oh my god,
they spend a lot of time in the sun when
they were nineteen right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, And it affects the quality of your skin too,
can almost make it more leathery and saggy. But yeah,
we have things to help fix that. And good skincare.
I do think my generation got real lucky there too.
You know, every day there's someone on their Instagram or
TikTok talking about wearing sunscreen and applying it several times
throughout the day, No just once, several times. We have
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makeup now with SPF in it, and then you know,
using retinols active ingredients like every day or every other
day that turn our skin cells over. I mean that's
talked about all the time, depending on what algorithm you're on.
But you know, now there's like twenty year olds doing
really good skincare.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm sure. I mean there's an you know, what is
the ingredient and a moisturizer that somebody should want look
for because moistrezes are all ninety percent water anyway. But
is there something that if you're looking through the whole,
I don't know, counter you're like many ingredients, so many
different things, right, Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I typically use skincare that you can't buy in the store,
that you have to buy through someone who has made
an account with these skincare companies. So like skin Better
Science is one of them. I really like Epicutus a
lot Zo is one, and that kind of because in
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a way, it's kind of like a medication, Right, You're
not going to walk into a doctor and be like,
I want this specific antibiotic. So if you don't know
anything about skin, like, why should you walk in off
the shelf and grab something? Because half the time it
might not be what you need, But also it might
not be what you actually think it is. And then
a lot of certain things we like to use in
skincare are not stable, so they need to be packaged
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a certain way or manufactured a certain way.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And but what are those things? What is the Is
there an ingredient that people want in a skincare it's like, oh,
that contains that, or it's just random. It depends on
whatever works for you. Because you do have to experiment,
right sporta.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You should make sure that you tolerate it or don't
have any sort of like allergies or intolerances to things.
But I can I can tell you don't know a
whole lot about skincare because.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't because because of my face, I know you
buy a whole stuff. Trust me. The girlfriend has a
cabinet's cream up.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know, we have good cleansers. There's oil based cleansers.
There's hydrating cleansers. There's cleansers that have more active ingredients
that help turn your skin cells over. I would say,
you know, if you have a broken down skin barrier,
we want to use more gentle stuff on your skin,
more hydrating things. Hyaluronic acids gray epicutis patented an ingredient
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called hyavia that's really hydrating. I mean there's just so
many So I do think it's wise, Like if you're
genuinely in ut in getting quality skincare that works great
for you and your concerns, it's worth booking a consult
with like an esthetician and like finding a regimen that
works for you and that's sustainable that like you can
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do every morning and every night.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Almost everybody can turn the clock back ten years.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh I don't know, that's everybody's different again.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But I mean people come in and they're like, here's
what you know. Like I said with the picture, but
somebody comes in at fifty, you probably can't make them
look twenty five, but there's a good chance you can
make them look a better version of they probably even
were at forty.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, more refreshed. So I know we're really trying to
like not use the word anti aging as much, or
maybe we're trying to say aging gracefully.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
A lot of companies are. They think it's a negative, right, aging, Yeah,
because that's a huge thing. Like we're all aging and
it is a beautiful thing. Right as we age.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We come a thirty one year old like this is fun.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
But yeah, we're all going to age. So to age
more gracefully, yeah, and look more refreshed, look less tired.
But a lot of that really does come from loss
of collagen, loss of elasticity, and then losing the fat
pads in your face. We have deep and superficial fat
pads as does go away, and our bone also recedes.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's like one way they describe it is a tablecloth
over a table, and then picture your table getting smaller, right,
so you're gonna have excess tablecloth. So it's kind of
like that you're losing that fat and that bone that
holds your skin up, so then it's all just gonna sag.
So that's kind of what we use. Biostimulators in collagen
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stimulators like micro needling laser.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Which is blood flow, right, I mean micro needling stimulates
blood flow, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
One of the many things that stimulates you.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Know, Ozree and Ali Larder, the actress, she's on Landman
now and she's like, you know, she has to play
a hot ex wife. And one of the things she
does all the things you'd hear about, but one of
the things she does is she sticks her face in
a bucket of ice water for sixty seconds and that
stimulates blood flow, right, is that what that will do?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Beaso constricts ice paso constricts. Yeah, really helps with inflammation.
Inflammation is the root cause of all things evil in
this world.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I say, and that and the biggest cause of inflamation
besides stress, is diet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I mean there are so many different things that cause inflammation. Yeah,
diet is huge.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
And how do we get rid of inflammation overnight?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
You don't get rid of it overnight?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Is it a full life?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Sty Is that easy? We all do it?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I know A lot of it is diets and a
lot of it is stress. Sleep. Yeah, sleeping in the
cold room helps.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I have an eight sleep. So my mattress. I control
the temperatures of my mattress. You have it cold when
I go to bed, it drops when I'm in rem
and then when it comes time to wake up, it'll
slowly get warmer.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
What do you put the air conditioning on here in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It depends in the summer, but we kind of have
an older house so we can't like blast they see. Yeah,
I think we do like seventy eight in the summer.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, that's too hot.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
See, And I know it's too hot, Like I grew
up in Colorado, right, so like I know it sounds hot,
but like when it's hot outside, yeah, that feels fine.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And I agree, But you know, the Swedes, and I
was reading about John Stamos, who's sixty four, and he
looks good. He sleeps at like fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'd love that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, I don't know what my bed's at, but I
typically have it at negative four negative five, so i'd
have to look up what that exact is. But I
actually get cold, so I will have to turn it
down sometimes.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, your bed is we turn it up fully. You're
fully capable as human beings of warming yourself. Put a
sweater on if you need to.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
In the middle of the night, my bed will get
cold and then it wakes me up. But no, I'm
not I love being cold.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
The one mistake that most people make or think when
it comes to this stuff, when it comes to either
botox or skincare, what is the one thing that people
are like, stop doing that? Or is there one thing
that you see people doing or people talking about, like,
Oh my god, that is not the answer. Is it masks?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Really good masks out there. There's really good mass out there.
I guess one thing people do a lot is they
switch up their skincare way too fast. Some things you
need to give time to see if it works and
be patient and see if there's results. Some things work
faster than others. But people who are constantly I'm gonna
(28:27):
buy this, I'm gonna buy this, I'm gonna buy this
like you're not giving your skin any time to adjust
or to actually see if there's results. So people do
just go buy random stuff, but and.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Do that with your dates too. Stop switching it up.
Give it a chance, give your body a chance to
absorb who they are, what you can be. It's a
confidence thing, all right. Clearly I don't know anything about this,
and I do feel little more. Educate. Tell everybody where
they can find you, or or one one thing you
want them to know. On the positive side.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
My Instagram is at injector Underscore in Bloom. I guess
I didn't talk about that. My business is called in
Bloom Aesthetics, and then I'm also working at another mets
BA called Solara Health and Beauty. But I chose in
Bloom Aesthetics because I feel like we're always in Bloom,
We're never perfect, like we should never settle, So we're yeah,
(29:23):
constantly getting better and if you feel like you've made it,
we'll find something else to push yourself at.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Wilt it is a bad name for a METSPA. Yeah,
in Bloom is good.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I guess if there's one thing I want people
to take away is yes, I like I like to
see I like to see what I see in the mirror.
I guess, like I don't need to look like a model,
but I want to be confident and that when I
am meeting people that I am confident enough to come
shake your hand and do all that. So it's not
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like you guys need to look like these models or whatever,
but like, just you should like what you see in
the mirror, and whether that comes from aesthetics or maybe
you need to go see a therapist. But you should
love yourself outside and inside.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, you're never gonna be your best self because you
could always be a work in progress, but you could
work start while being a better version of yourself. And
this starts there. Sometimes it is outside in you know
it is. You were great. This was fun. I need
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's the Great Love Debate, the Great Love Debate. It's
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welcome to the Great Love Debate, the world's number one
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the very fine studios of Pod Popular Podcasts for the People.
I'm with the one in Scottsdale, Arizona. There's a renovation
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going on in here, so if you come here in
the near future, you'll be like, Wow, what do they
do to that place? I hope, But it's a nice
time you're here. It's the full Scott's Dazzle going on
here in the valley. A lot of people come to us,
or they listen to the show, or they come to
our live shows, and they talk about, well, they haven't
had a whole lot of success dating, or their first
(00:54):
dates aren't turning into second dates, or they're not getting
any hits on their online dating profile, et cetera, et cetera.
At it infinite them. And a lot of that is
just timing, and a lot of that is is bad luck,
and a lot of that is you haven't been at
it long enough, but way too much of it is
you don't look your best. People. You don't look that good.
(01:15):
I don't look that good. There's another level that you
could take your game to that you probably haven't thought
about it. So I brought in a pro here today.
Who's gonna help me? And you guys try and look
and feel our best because how you look and how
you feel and your confidence level means everything. Jacqueline Murray,
how are you? She's a estetis I want to get
(01:37):
your qualifications right?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Esthetician not an esthetician?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Not an esthetician? Is that below? You take that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No? Or I can't take that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You're a SPA owner.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Technically, yes, I'm a nurse injector, so I say, like
an aesthetic nurse injector, but I'm not an esthetician. They
go to like a little school and like go through
all those things. I did not do that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Can you can be botox right now? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I don't have it with me. But if I did?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Do you have botox in your car?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Is botox a thing? Still? Is that still? Number one?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So Filer's, well, we're gonna get in all that. Yeah,
somebody comes to you generally what is the most popular
thing you're looking to do just to shot between the
eyes and it perks it all up.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, So I think it's kind of funny we do
say neurotoxin is kind of how we're trying to say
it because botox is brand name, So neurotoxin we kind
of say is like a gateway drug, like a gateway medication.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
People start with that. Yeah, like let's start with a
little a little botox, and.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Then you get addicted and then you just want to
do other things, like you don't have to go over
the top, especially like the way I practice. I try
to help people look very natural, but you know, just
make those subtle tweaks to help them look more well
rested or to help their skin. It's not just neurotoxin
and filler. There's there's a huge world around aesthetics that
(02:59):
can just help your overall skin and replenishables volume.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, let's talk about that because there's obviously sleep and
hydration goes a long way, and we are in a
place that is really tough. It's rough on the skin here, right,
but a lot of people look really good and young here.
Do we have you to thing for that?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You and your colleagues, we probably have the most. I
would not be surprised if we have the most medspas
per capita in the US, or nurse injectors, just because
the laws around owning a business in a medspot in
Arizona different than a lot of other states.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So you mentioned it. It's kind of a gateway dreg.
So somebody comes in there and they do like, let's
see what we can do to make you. People want
to look younger, they want to look more refreshed, they
want to they want to look better. Where do you start?
Where do you start? How do you analyze somebody? Because
you're not like taking blood here, you're basically you're using
your eyeballs. Yeah, and you can't be offensive, or maybe
(03:56):
you can. You can't just be like god that ship. Really.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I try to ask, like, do you mind if I
point out some other things we could work on, because
some people just want to address the lines on their forehead.
That's it. They do not want you to point out
everything else, right, So I try to ask, but I
would say, yeah, biggest thing is I have them tell
me why they're in my chair, Like what bothers you?
When you look in the mirror? What is the number
(04:20):
one thing that you are displeased with? Or when you
look at a photo of you, you know, like like
anytime we look at a picture of ourselves, we always
look at that one thing we hate about ourselves. So
it's kind of like, what's that thing, and then let's
start there, because if I don't help improve that, but
I improve other things, you're still not going to be happy.
You're still going to see that thing you hate. Aesthetics
(04:44):
is not plastic surgery. So I am very honest. Sometimes
if what you want is plastic surgery, I will tell
you that. But first, a lot of people it's you know,
these static lines in their forehead or the sundown image
on their face, or the sagging in their face, their jowl, sagging.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
The neck, which I need. Yeah, nothing really fixes that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Butt surgery, yeah, I would suggest plastics.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's the dirty little secret. You can inject shit all
you want, and it's you still look like a turkey. Yep. Yeah,
but people look at you, and so you know, botox
does work. A lot of people wait too long to
get it done and then they panic and uh, and
they just overshoot themselves. But there's a way to do it.
It looks natural. I had a a plastic surge because
(05:33):
he's a plastic surgeon friend of mine, and I asked
him about like all the overinflated lips, Yeah, especially in
LA And I go, why do people do that? It
never looks good? He goes, you only notice the bad ones.
He's like, there's so many that are awesome, and you
think they're perfectly natural. And that's the goal, right to
make it look like somebody looks great without making it
look like somebody got something done. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
We always say a good injectable is undetectable, So I
do get in that. I wouldn't call it an argument,
but I try to just educate people, like when it
is done right. I mean, we're spending thousands and thousands
of dollars on training and being educated, and the aesthetic
industry has come such a long way just in the
past fifteen ten years on the type of fillers we have.
(06:19):
So it's not like we're using the same filler all
over your face. Well, now we have fillers that we
would put around your smile lines, your lips.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Is that wrestling that's a.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Whole line like Loherama.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So yeah, rest I'm uneducated exactly. But I'm a guy,
so that brings that up. Are guys doing this now,
I would.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Say, And I'm sure they've been doing it for a
very long time. I do think so many people have
been doing aesthetics since Botox came out. But we didn't
have Instagram the way we do, We didn't have Facebook.
Nobody was talking about it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And botox has become more mainstream. Botox once it hits Ohio,
it's everywhere. But for a while, you know, even yoga
was like a Los Angeles, New York thing, yes was.
You know, things get into the country now like it's
very common to do. But botox now is the same
as coloring your hair. For a lot of women, it's
not something they hide. It's not that they're shamed of.
And it's like I want to look good. You know,
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a lot of women you hear them sort of brag
about like, oh look, i've never had botox. Who cares? Like,
who cares? As long as you look good? Look good?
And a lot of I won't even just say women
people are afraid that once they give in and they
have to go see you, it's like a line they
don't want to cross. No, pun intended, but really it
(07:34):
shouldn't be any different I think from the people I
know who do this than going to your hair salon.
It's really just trying to touch the It's getting rid
of your gray hair. Right. A wrinkle is essentially aging,
which is essentially gray hair, and you have no problem
touching that up. So I don't know why you would
be reluctant to mess with the face.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
No, and that's actually one again, not argument, but something
I kind of touch on a lot is like, Okay,
we're going to bash people for doing botox or filler
to change their appearance, which we're not changing your appearance
or just botox does not change your appearance. It just
makes it to where you can't animate. But for the
most part, right now I don't have any. But it's
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not like my face would look any different. You would
maybe just think I'm not moving my eyebrows.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
There's a lot of people expressive.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There's so many people who are not expressive, So you
might sit there or that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Someone else's at jokes or if someone else.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Might judge them and think they have botox, right, because
now that's in everyone's head, But like, no, maybe that
person just doesn't raise her.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
She just didn't like me.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I just had a client in her forties. She had
no static lines and when I would ask her to
raise she maybe had one line. She had no crows. Right,
But I guarantee you sheets people every day who think
she's getting botox. But that's just her genetics, that's her skin,
that's her tissue. So but yeah, that's one thing I
say is like people will say you're changing your appearance
(08:56):
with botox or fillers, right, but but we're not bashing
people for going and dyeing their hair bleach blond. That's
changing your appearance. Nutting your nails done, changing your appearance.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And there's there's less than less to do to sort
of I guess the the uptick in Bravo viewership, there's
a lot less stigma around it. There's a lot less
I mean, people just do it. The number one thing
that makes the biggest difference, though, for some reason is
like I said before, it's the botox between the eyes.
It's the forehead, and it's not around the mouth, around
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the eyes, the places where we think or that is
sort of a trigger that affects the whole face. Why
is that the area that tends to work versus you.
You know, we don't pay it when when somebody looks older.
We rarely focus on the forehead, but for some reason,
that is the thing that changes the face the most.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, so typically we look full face right because it's
all working together. But I will say that's the most
commonplace people will start. That's the most commonplace that people
focus on. It these really deep eleven lines or they're
really deep lines on their forehead. And then some people
are like, I'm fine with my crows. I'm fine with
down here. You know who's fine with your crows site?
(10:10):
I don't know some people. I actually haven't done mine
in a while. I'm thirty one, though, so like they're
not static. I'll probably do them once a year, but
I don't need to have them gone.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Can you do yourself time?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I have before, but I'm going to have some A
friend Jack.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So you said you're thirty one, When did you first
start doing it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So fun So first time I ever got botox, I
want to say I was twenty six. I was in Quarterline,
Idaho on a mountain biking trip with my best friend
and it was her fortieth birthday and she was like,
for my fortieth birthday, We're going to the medspot and
I'll pay for your boatoks and we're gonna get botoks done.
I was like cool, Like oh, you were like cool,
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You're not like I know I'm pre botok.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Oh yeah, but at twenty six, are you like, what
do I need botox?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
For sure? No? I didn't think that at all. I said,
look at this forehead. It moves a lot I would
love and it's free. Yes, Like, let's do it. It's temporary.
If I hate it, it wears off in three months,
no one would even know I had it done. Like
after the three months, I'd be moving again. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Right, it's not permitted it last three it lasts a
few months.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yep. I went for it and I was addicted. I
was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And the cost of the botox it's measured in.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Ccs units units.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And do you tell the person up front, like you're
gonna need a lot or how do you know how
much it's going to take? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Totally. Every everybody is different, right, So with a neurotoxin,
especially Allergan who owns Botox, They've done a lot of
FDA research, So the FDA approved dosing for your glabella
forehead and your crows is sixty four units. Now they
just got another cosmetic FDA approval actually for your platisma bands,
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so now they actually have FDA approval up to one
hundred units.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
For those responds.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Your platisma is this giant muscle right here that attaches
down here and then right here on your face and
that pulls your face down. Mm hmm. And so when
you go like this, these bands, yeah, those are platisma bands.
Oh so yeah, you can get the platisma right here
and then your bands, and then it kind of relaxes, right,
because most of our muscles are pulling down on our face.
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And that's why our face sinks down is because those
muscles are constantly pulling.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Gravity is not our friend. I used to have a
girlfriend for a long long time who she wouldn't do botox,
but she would just drown herself in mountain dew and
Twinkies and Big Max And I'm like, why do you
eat that crap? And she goes cause it's filled with preservatives,
and she goes, I want to be almost mummified from
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the preservatives. And she looked fantastic. She might have been.
She might have been right. I'm not sure how good
it was for her overall health, but she's like, the
preservatives in the food will preserve my body. So I
don't know how that. I don't know how she looks now,
but I'm like, oh, it seems to work. Okay, I
gotta take a quick break because I think we can
to pay for botox around here. I'm with Jacqueline Murray.
We're talking about all things that you guys are going
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to do better to look better. We will be back
right after this, and we are back how often? How
let me ask this, So somebody's got a wedding coming
up in a week, botox will how long does it
take to kick in?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Two weeks?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Two weeks? Okay, two weeks and then you're good for
so three months.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Dosage equals duration, So ideally, if we're doing that FDA
approved dosing. Again, everybody is different, but when we dose
you appropriately, sometimes it'll take us a while to get
to know you specifically, because all of our anatomy is different.
Males typically need more units than females. Super Active people
typically need more. If you're in the sauna.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Long because you sweat it out.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
You have a high metabolism. So when we have your dosage, great, yeah,
up to three months. Ideally you're not back at baseline
at three months, but you will have movement probably at
three months. Some people will hold on to it longer.
Some people will burn it and they're doing it every
three months, but they're still not back at their baseline movement.
So if you were to compare their before photos, they're
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moving more in that first before that first treatment, first
they're other ones.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Does the body get used to it though? And then
you have to do more? Is it like any other drugs?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Some people are saying you can build a resistance. Probably
over time, you can kind of build resistance to most
medications we have. But I mean I do see more
often though that we people are being undertreated. So they're saying, oh,
it doesn't work, it wore off. It's six weeks for me.
(14:47):
And then I'm like, how much are you getting? And
like this just happened. I asked the gal how much
are you getting? And she said twenty five units for
here and here, and I'm like that's crazy, Like FDA
approved dose is four units for hearing here, So that's
why your talks is wearing off. It's because you're not
getting enough and you're doing hot plates every single day
and you're thirty, right, so like you were under dosed.
(15:10):
So your nurse injector did you a disservice, probably to
stay in your budget. However, if you can't afford it, well,
let's save up till you can't afford the dose. That
way you actually feel like you're getting what you're paying
for instead of trying to stay in your dose. It's
just gonna like within your budget, it's gonna wear off
so much faster.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And the older you get, like anything else, the skin
becomes less palable, whatever the word is.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So yeah, that's really that, and that's when it pays
to have an educated injector, because you know, you can't
treat a thirty year old the same way you're treating
someone in their fifties and sixties. I have a lot
of elasticity and collagen still in my skin that holds
me taut. As you lose that elastin, if we completely
freeze your muscles, you don't have anything to hold you
(15:53):
taught anymore because your skin sagging. So what we do
is a lot of time is back off a little bit,
change our placement and sometimes you'll be left with a
little bit of movement, but you'll still have that muscle
to hold you taught. So a good injector is not
going to inject someone with loose, looser skin more like
lost velacity the same way they treat a twenty year
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old or a thirty year old.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Do people come in with a picture and they're like,
I want to have that Nicole Kidman frozen face?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, not really. I've had one person like send me
a photo like of them like fifteen years ago, and
they're like, I want to look like this with botox.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And I'm like, I'm not a magician.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I can't do that with boat talks.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I can't do that with botox. Well now, so somebody
I brought up the dating thing. So somebody's you know, Tuesday, Wednesday,
they meet somebody either online or whatever, and that person
wants to go out with them Saturday. There's nothing. What
can they do in two three day I mean a
facial What.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Can they do in two facials?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Does a facial leave you red for several days or no?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There's different ones. Hydro facials. I just got two laser
treatments before I came here, like literally.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right, Well, we appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah. So I got an IPLA treatment in a Hollywood
facial treatment and that's to help stimulate collagen treat sun damage.
So I really don't have that much, but it's because
I wear sunscreen. But I have a couple spots here
that we're trying to lift. And then I've had cystic
acne for a long time, so I'm really trying to
like finish clearing this up. I have some redness, some
scarring that we're after, but that doesn't really have crazy downtime.
(17:22):
Like I could go on a date, Well, I am
going to dinner tonight and my skin looks.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Fine, and you got something done today. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Hydro facials, you can get those done within two to
three days of like your wedding or a really important event.
Gives you a nice shine to your skin. As far
as injectables go, I actually had a goal book and
appointment and in her note she booked and said I'm
getting married two weeks from this date and I've never
had botox before. And I was like called her and
(17:50):
I was like, you need to come in before. Sorry
this bug, I said, you need to come in before that.
Two weeks.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You need to practice, you need to see how the
body takes it.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Right, Well, let me assess you first. Let me see
how anxious of a human you are. Yeah, let me
see if you even need it. Well, turned out she
didn't need it. She actually had no static lines. What
she wanted was a little bit of volume replacement in
her cheeks because she had lost some fat in her cheeks.
So yeah, I was like, actually, you don't want neuro
(18:19):
talks and you want filler. But one thing that can
be risky is let's say your talks kicks in slightly
uneven or maybe you need touch ups at that two
weeks because you've never had it before. I don't know
you two weeks. It's your wedding day, right, so if
you have an eyebrow that slightly moves more, or maybe
you just hate it, right, right, it's your wedding day. Yeah,
(18:41):
you've already hired everyone. Like it can be risky, So
especially around your wedding, you should start working with your aesthetic,
your estheticians, your nurses. I would say a year before.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Your wedding to town what does collagen do? Because I
know you could take it as a pill like you
take like vegetarians have trouble getting into collagen because it
comes from bovine, Right, Yeah, Can I just rub collagen
on my face or that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Collagen is a very large molecule. So there's a lot
of people who will argue whether it's worth your time
to take oral collagen. What I do is treatments like
micro needling that three treatments in a year produces three
to four hundred percent more collagen. Once we turn mid
(19:29):
twenties thirties, we lose one percent of collagen a year.
That's just that baseline. UV rays break your collagen down
as well. Smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, your diet all those things.
Your hormones, all those things affect that as well, your genetics,
all those things. So we have certain treatments that can
(19:51):
help stimulate your collagen. We can also kind of call
it biohacking in a way, so we're tricking your body
into producing more collagen and elastin. So Sculpture is one
of those. Sculpture as a biostimulator created for HIV AIDS
patients who had all that fat loss in their face,
so they were injecting that to try and give them
(20:11):
their volume back, and they actually saw that it had
a very esthetic outcome and people were getting more volume
and then their skin was looking a lot better. So
it actually made its way into the esthetic industry because
of that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Does botox do wrinkles show up more on fair skinned
people or dark skinned people?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Question?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I have Mediterranean olive skin, is am I more likely
to wrinkle? Because it just doesn't make it? Because here,
I mean, I know a lot of people come here
from other places in the world here in Arizona, but
it is three hundred and fifty days of sunshine here
and strong sunshine, and so you obviously have to wear
sunscreen to that, but a lot of people didn't. You're
(20:52):
not quite old enough to remember, like close tanning beds.
It's all spray tan now, but back in the day,
people used to just fry the shit out of themselves.
And that damage keeps you in business. Right, Yes, you
can tell right away how much. It's like, oh my god,
they spend a lot of time in the sun when
they were nineteen right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, And it affects the quality of your skin too,
can almost make it more leathery and saggy. But yeah,
we have things to help fix that. And good skincare.
I do think my generation got real lucky there too.
You know, every day there's someone on their Instagram or
TikTok talking about wearing sunscreen and applying it several times
throughout the day, No just once, several times. We have
(21:34):
makeup now with SPF in it, and then you know,
using retinols active ingredients like every day or every other
day that turn our skin cells over. I mean that's
talked about all the time, depending on what algorithm you're on.
But you know, now there's like twenty year olds doing
really good skincare.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm sure. I mean there's an you know, what is
the ingredient and a moisturizer that somebody should want look
for because moistrezes are all ninety percent water anyway. But
is there something that if you're looking through the whole,
I don't know, counter you're like many ingredients, so many
different things, right, Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I typically use skincare that you can't buy in the store,
that you have to buy through someone who has made
an account with these skincare companies. So like skin Better
Science is one of them. I really like Epicutus a
lot Zo is one, and that kind of because in
(22:28):
a way, it's kind of like a medication, Right, You're
not going to walk into a doctor and be like,
I want this specific antibiotic. So if you don't know
anything about skin, like, why should you walk in off
the shelf and grab something? Because half the time it
might not be what you need, But also it might
not be what you actually think it is. And then
a lot of certain things we like to use in
skincare are not stable, so they need to be packaged
(22:50):
a certain way or manufactured a certain way.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And but what are those things? What is the Is
there an ingredient that people want in a skincare it's like, oh,
that contains that, or it's just random. It depends on
whatever works for you. Because you do have to experiment,
right sporta.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You should make sure that you tolerate it or don't
have any sort of like allergies or intolerances to things.
But I can I can tell you don't know a
whole lot about skincare because.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't because because of my face, I know you
buy a whole stuff. Trust me. The girlfriend has a
cabinet's cream up.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know, we have good cleansers. There's oil based cleansers.
There's hydrating cleansers. There's cleansers that have more active ingredients
that help turn your skin cells over. I would say,
you know, if you have a broken down skin barrier,
we want to use more gentle stuff on your skin,
more hydrating things. Hyaluronic acids gray epicutis patented an ingredient
(23:49):
called hyavia that's really hydrating. I mean there's just so
many So I do think it's wise, Like if you're
genuinely in ut in getting quality skincare that works great
for you and your concerns, it's worth booking a consult
with like an esthetician and like finding a regimen that
works for you and that's sustainable that like you can
(24:12):
do every morning and every night.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Almost everybody can turn the clock back ten years.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh I don't know, that's everybody's different again.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But I mean people come in and they're like, here's
what you know. Like I said with the picture, but
somebody comes in at fifty, you probably can't make them
look twenty five, but there's a good chance you can
make them look a better version of they probably even
were at forty.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, more refreshed. So I know we're really trying to
like not use the word anti aging as much, or
maybe we're trying to say aging gracefully.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
A lot of companies are. They think it's a negative, right, aging, Yeah,
because that's a huge thing. Like we're all aging and
it is a beautiful thing. Right as we age.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We come a thirty one year old like this is fun.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
But yeah, we're all going to age. So to age
more gracefully, yeah, and look more refreshed, look less tired.
But a lot of that really does come from loss
of collagen, loss of elasticity, and then losing the fat
pads in your face. We have deep and superficial fat
pads as does go away, and our bone also recedes.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's like one way they describe it is a tablecloth
over a table, and then picture your table getting smaller, right,
so you're gonna have excess tablecloth. So it's kind of
like that you're losing that fat and that bone that
holds your skin up, so then it's all just gonna sag.
So that's kind of what we use. Biostimulators in collagen
(25:37):
stimulators like micro needling laser.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Which is blood flow, right, I mean micro needling stimulates
blood flow, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
One of the many things that stimulates you.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Know, Ozree and Ali Larder, the actress, she's on Landman
now and she's like, you know, she has to play
a hot ex wife. And one of the things she
does all the things you'd hear about, but one of
the things she does is she sticks her face in
a bucket of ice water for sixty seconds and that
stimulates blood flow, right, is that what that will do?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Beaso constricts ice paso constricts. Yeah, really helps with inflammation.
Inflammation is the root cause of all things evil in
this world.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I say, and that and the biggest cause of inflamation
besides stress, is diet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I mean there are so many different things that cause inflammation. Yeah,
diet is huge.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
And how do we get rid of inflammation overnight?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
You don't get rid of it overnight?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Is it a full life?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Sty Is that easy? We all do it?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I know A lot of it is diets and a
lot of it is stress. Sleep. Yeah, sleeping in the
cold room helps.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I have an eight sleep. So my mattress. I control
the temperatures of my mattress. You have it cold when
I go to bed, it drops when I'm in rem
and then when it comes time to wake up, it'll
slowly get warmer.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
What do you put the air conditioning on here in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It depends in the summer, but we kind of have
an older house so we can't like blast they see. Yeah,
I think we do like seventy eight in the summer.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, that's too hot.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
See, And I know it's too hot, Like I grew
up in Colorado, right, so like I know it sounds hot,
but like when it's hot outside, yeah, that feels fine.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And I agree, But you know, the Swedes, and I
was reading about John Stamos, who's sixty four, and he
looks good. He sleeps at like fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'd love that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, I don't know what my bed's at, but I
typically have it at negative four negative five, so i'd
have to look up what that exact is. But I
actually get cold, so I will have to turn it
down sometimes.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, your bed is we turn it up fully. You're
fully capable as human beings of warming yourself. Put a
sweater on if you need to.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
In the middle of the night, my bed will get
cold and then it wakes me up. But no, I'm
not I love being cold.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
The one mistake that most people make or think when
it comes to this stuff, when it comes to either
botox or skincare, what is the one thing that people
are like, stop doing that? Or is there one thing
that you see people doing or people talking about, like,
Oh my god, that is not the answer. Is it masks?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Really good masks out there. There's really good mass out there.
I guess one thing people do a lot is they
switch up their skincare way too fast. Some things you
need to give time to see if it works and
be patient and see if there's results. Some things work
faster than others. But people who are constantly I'm gonna
(28:27):
buy this, I'm gonna buy this, I'm gonna buy this
like you're not giving your skin any time to adjust
or to actually see if there's results. So people do
just go buy random stuff, but and.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Do that with your dates too. Stop switching it up.
Give it a chance, give your body a chance to
absorb who they are, what you can be. It's a
confidence thing, all right. Clearly I don't know anything about this,
and I do feel little more. Educate. Tell everybody where
they can find you, or or one one thing you
want them to know. On the positive side.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
My Instagram is at injector Underscore in Bloom. I guess
I didn't talk about that. My business is called in
Bloom Aesthetics, and then I'm also working at another mets
BA called Solara Health and Beauty. But I chose in
Bloom Aesthetics because I feel like we're always in Bloom,
We're never perfect, like we should never settle, So we're yeah,
(29:23):
constantly getting better and if you feel like you've made it,
we'll find something else to push yourself at.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Wilt it is a bad name for a METSPA. Yeah,
in Bloom is good.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I guess if there's one thing I want people
to take away is yes, I like I like to
see I like to see what I see in the mirror.
I guess, like I don't need to look like a model,
but I want to be confident and that when I
am meeting people that I am confident enough to come
shake your hand and do all that. So it's not
(29:55):
like you guys need to look like these models or whatever,
but like, just you should like what you see in
the mirror, and whether that comes from aesthetics or maybe
you need to go see a therapist. But you should
love yourself outside and inside.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, you're never gonna be your best self because you
could always be a work in progress, but you could
work start while being a better version of yourself. And
this starts there. Sometimes it is outside in you know
it is. You were great. This was fun. I need
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(30:52):
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