November 30, 2025 • 22 mins
On this episode I chat with Canadian singer songwriter Elle Sherlock about the single SURFACE.
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(00:22):
Once again. Back with another.
Episode in the music series. Now if you guys haven't noticed,
2 episodes a. Week.
To finish off the year. A fantastic music, artists and
cool things. And of course, our counting down
a few episodes away from. The. 4th 100th episode which is
(00:43):
the 6th year anniversary episodecoming up in a few weeks.
That'll be fantastic if you justwant to support me.
Super simple. Check the link tree.
The link in bio will give you the link to the merch store.
Probably about 40% off around Christmas time, so.
Pick up this. Special indie artist T-shirt now
and nine different designs. Pick one you like and support
(01:06):
the show that way. And if you don't support these
artists, easiest way go listen. Go subscribe to them, add them
to the playlist. Listen to my playlist.
Simple, go support independent music out there because this is
what we do here in this community.
O Let's get to today's interview.
One of my favorite things is to get more Kenny music on the show
and El Sherlock. Welcome to the show.
(01:29):
Hi, thanks for having me. I'm excited to have you on the
show today because I was listening to surface your latest
track for quite a bit. Well, since I got it and it's
been on repeat because I'd like to get myself in in in the
groove with the vibe before I get to an inner especific
interview. And for an artist like yourself
(01:49):
from coming from Ottawa, it's, it's not surprising.
A lot of good Canadian talent and this just proves we need to
get more Canadian artists on playlists and radio and things
like that. So I'm excited to have you here.
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that.
So before we get to the track that I just mentioned, what I
think a little bit deeper, get into the background of you a
(02:10):
little bit and kind of get to know you a little bit more.
So walk me through how you started, how you got into the
music industry. OK, I didn't get into music at a
very young age. We always listened to music in
my house, and there was a reallybig variety of music.
Both my parents have pretty eclectic tastes, so that was
cool. But I did visual art for a long
(02:32):
time and I was a super nerdy kidand like lots of pressure to do
a good job in school and stuff. And then after the age that
people normally start piano lessons, my parents forced me to
and I didn't want to because I had this idea that if I made it
into a school subject, it would ruin music.
(02:53):
But I started piano lessons classically and I was good at it
quick and I really liked it. And it quickly became like my
thing. So overtime that took over and I
would do like the exams and the festivals and competitions and
stuff and I would get like, oh, highest mark in Canada, or I
(03:14):
would write songs and submit them.
And it just sort of grew from there because I was good enough
with that that I could play and like, try singing along because
I thought that was a bit cooler.And then eventually I taught
myself to play guitar and it just sort of happened
organically in that way. Nobody in my family encouraged
(03:36):
it because I don't have musicians in my family, so they
don't really see a path for thisas a career.
Like, they supported me doing it, but it just kind of became
something that I loved and refused to let go.
And now I saw him right? And most of my friends are
musicians. And so that's just kind of how
(03:58):
I've stayed in the game. Well, that's awesome.
Now, when you're creating your art, there's going to be
somewhere that you go where yourmind ventures to come up with
concepts for what you're doing, what you're creating.
Is there anything specific that you pull from your reflect on
when you write music? Yeah, there will be certain
(04:24):
periods of time where my head really doesn't leave that space.
I might be doing other things, but there's always everything
that I do in my life is going totrigger a song lyric or, oh, I
should do that, or oh, that would be a great idea.
And so I'm very, very often stopping in the middle of a busy
(04:44):
work task to write down a lyric and then possibly abandoning the
task to finish the lyric. Yeah.
So summer is great for that because it's easier to, like,
always be walking outside or doing yard work or biking
somewhere. And then in the winter, I have
this studio attic that I put on the top floor of my house.
(05:05):
And what happens is that it's dark so much, and I write best
in the darkness because I'm fromthe north.
So it's just kind of like cozy for me.
So in the winter, I take all thebits that I did out in the world
in the summer and I bring it up to the attic and I just kind of
live up here and put the songs together.
And they're usually pretty Moodybecause I feel like darkness and
(05:29):
having a kind of my voice likes to try out different tones and
stuff. So it helps me make Moody music
like to go from whispery to veryheavy.
It can take you to different places without having to do a
lot in the actual texture of a song.
So that's what I do. And I mean my day-to-day life
(05:51):
will trigger me another music orsorry, another song that I've
heard will trigger me, especially if it's from another
genre or it like surprises me. So I listen to a lot of like
Irish post punk, random stuff, things that I feel like I
couldn't make that verbatim. But what if I did that thing
(06:11):
that I like about their song? And that's how I come to new
ideas. So it it's hard being creative.
Do you ever feel overwhelmed with all the things that you
want to do and put into a track or write down?
Oh yeah, that's part of it. And sometimes you end up just
(06:35):
writing a song that gives the energy of how overwhelmed I am
by all stuff. But I, I love it.
I don't feel overwhelmed in a bad way, but I do notice that
it's hard as an independent artist to keep a handle on all
of it because it's true. There's so much I could do, but
(06:55):
there's only one of me. And being having a bit more of
an artistic mind, it wants to goeverywhere all at once.
So that's good for the music, but it's not necessarily good
for picking the best strategic thing to do and sticking to it.
Sometimes I'm most creative whenI have to do something for a
(07:18):
deadline and I might love it, but just the fact of the
deadline, I wanna push back against it.
That energy will end up resulting in a new song idea.
So like it used to be like that when I was in school too and I
had exams like my university roommate used to say, like wow,
you always do everything except the thing you have to do, but
(07:39):
you get a good song out of it, so.
Well, that and, and being an indie artist is insanely hard.
It's it's a team of, you know, one, right?
And you could only focus your energy on to so many things.
That's the thing what any artist, most people don't
understand, like there isn't a giant team or record label
behind you kind of walking you through some of the things that
(08:02):
you could. So you can focus on just
creative. You have to control everything.
So that's that's really hard. Yeah, And there are so many
people who support me in my life, but it they, they don't
know what to do. Like they don't have a business
strategy, so they're excited forme or interested.
(08:22):
But I do get that feeling sometimes where I'm missing that
person just tell me what to do or just like set me on a path
for the day that has a clear outcome and I'll do it.
And that I, I hope, is what a label would do.
But at the moment I'm kind of trying to figure out how to
navigate got myself so that I can retain the most creative
(08:45):
control until I feel ready and kind of like prepared to give
that up. No, of course.
Now let's get back into our music here because your track
for today is called Surface. Now tell me how this track came
about and and everything you canabout it.
OK, well, Surfaces is a nice story actually, because Ottawa
(09:11):
has a bit of a reputation, at least amongst the musicians, for
not being a place that welcomes original music.
And that's, it's been my experience.
But it depends on your perspective because you can
choose to ignore that. Play your original music and
you'll probably do OK. But it's true that whenever you
have a band and you want to put on a show, it will happen that a
(09:35):
venue or a promoter will push back if you say you want to play
your originals. They won't covers and like bar
friendly music that people will know, but that they can also
tune out. And so there's this reputation,
but there's a venue in Ottawa that created themselves with the
intention of making a space for original music.
(09:56):
They started as a hot sauce business where every hot sauce
is branded with like kind of a pun on a different type of cat.
So the venue name is called Meow.
That's Hot. And they've got all of these
like different flavoured hot sauces that are cat themed.
And one night I was invited to go see a friend of mine play his
(10:18):
original music at at like an originals only show that this
venue was hosting. And I knew this particular guy,
his name is Tyler Cochrane from being the host of an open mic
that I go to. And he has a killer voice.
Like I wouldn't continue to go to the open mic except that he
is the host and I want to hear him thing.
(10:40):
And he also attracts better musicians to the open mic
because he's quite good. And I he doesn't play his
originals because he feels like nobody wants to hear them.
And he's been invited to go showcase some of them at this
place. And it was the first time I'd
actually ever seen a songwriter circle in Ottawa.
(11:01):
And at that time I didn't play my originals very much either
because I didn't know if they were good.
They didn't feel perfect to me. And that was kind of like a
barrier for me at that time. And Tyler was playing these
songs that were awesome and I was sitting there like, why do
you not do this? And something he played like a
(11:21):
lyric that he put out and how hedid a song, gave me a first line
of a song. And then I was sitting there
like on my phone writing the lyrics to my song while Tyler
played his song. And that was kind of how Surface
started. It gave me an idea like based on
something in my life and, and all of that.
(11:42):
But it was really just because Iwas in this place where people
were playing original music in Ottawa that was actually good
after for so long I'd had the impression that nobody wanted to
hear it. Then it probably wasn't going to
be good anyways. So it's just one of these like
light bulb went on experiences. And after that, I didn't have so
(12:03):
much difficulty finishing songs.Like, it was almost like the
psychological barrier of this has to be perfect or nobody will
like it. Or there was something in there
that changed because I saw that and yeah, I took that home and I
messed around with some stuff and that's how that song came
about. Fantastic.
(12:23):
Let's let's hear it. Let's play it on the show right
now. Here's El Sherlock surface.
(12:52):
I fell on the floor tracing the shapes in the tile.
Why you should It's well past Sorry to hot start day.
(13:13):
I would rather Into the Sea, theshow somebody.
I was falling rain. How?
(13:40):
All all right. Sometimes I try and no you on
the surface there's no consequences and no purpose
falling into the same answer. The shore heavenly opening sky
(14:05):
loving the tide on to somebody else's.
I'm not really here. Mostly it's hard to focus how to
(14:32):
come back from hearts and Lotus.Soft hair, soft spoken, and then
the space between the. Words.
I felt broken. Rather be falling into the
rolling tired and make you watchme flow in falling to the sea
(15:05):
the morning. To stay dry.
And. You 1 better you squad.
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There you go that was surface will be on the Spotify playlist
go like follow subscribe of course, added to your own
playlist give a lot of plays just supportive pin artists.
That's what we do on the show now.
Ell question for you, 2026, we got a whole year ahead of us.
What are some of your plans coming up for the year?
Well, in 2026 I'm releasing my first album.
(16:18):
It's all recorded and I'm sitting with the mixes for 10
songs and I'm working on a strategy to release it and
that's what I'm going to be doing mostly in 2026.
That's a lot of decisions, like Kevin Album, but you think about
how you want to release it and bring your music out to the
public. That's hard.
(16:40):
Yeah, the. Strategy.
It's exciting, the strategy. I'm definitely going to ask for
some help, and I've already started doing that.
But it's true. There's like, what image am I
supposed to have when you recordmusic and then you hear yourself
back after it? Because I've been performing for
such a long time, just lie. A lot of it has been so low.
(17:05):
And that's actually a pretty different experience for me to
hear and for the people in the room to hear than it is to hear
the tracks that I made for this album.
It you hear me in a different way.
And so my experience of recording the the songs showed
me that maybe people will hear me in a different way than they
have been seeing me so far. So I have to figure that out.
(17:27):
You don't always know how you come off.
And I think the difference between me live playing in like
an Ottawa bar is is potentially pretty big.
When you hear the tracks, which can be a bit more pop.
It's just kind of like grander and more intimate.
I'm not always like belting singing.
(17:47):
So yeah, it's it's a lot to figure out, but I love it
because it's showing me how muchmore I could do that I didn't
know before. Well, that's fantastic.
And knowing you have a full album, you said 10 tracks coming
out in next year. That's that's amazing.
And that's definitely going to be something to look forward to.
Now if you have, yeah, you have a website, illsherlock.com, but
(18:10):
also which socials would you like anybody listening to go and
follow you and anticipate this album coming out.
Yeah, I am most consistent with Instagram.
It's just what I'm used to. But also I have a tick tock and
I am trying to make myself use it more so I would.
Say struggle. It yeah, it's I'm, I'm kind of
(18:35):
like shy as a person. So it's out of my wheelhouse to
be like making presentations. And there are people who are so
good about it on TikTok and they're funny and I like them.
But finding my place in that hasbeen difficult because I don't
have the impulse to be like, I'mgoing to tell everybody about
this and I'm not going to worry about what they think of me or
what happens to it. Like I just don't have that.
(18:58):
So I'm figuring that part out. I like the word you use
presentation. That just totally makes sense.
I never heard that before. It totally makes sense for
TikTok. Yeah, like, it's funny.
There are things that I think ofthat might be funny or
interesting to people that I wouldn't necessarily put in a
song. But I either just don't have the
(19:19):
guts or I wasn't socialized in away where it would occur to me
to now immediately put that on the Internet and trust that I'm
not going to look like a fool. Like, I don't know, I don't know
how to do it. And it, it feels to me also like
the people who are successful atit, like who's the second person
in their life who is following them around with the camera who
(19:43):
enables this? Like, I don't have that.
And if I ask somebody in my lifeto do that, they would think I
was a narcissist. Like, I don't know, I don't have
that second friend who's puttingme on camera.
That's, that's fantastic. You know, you, that's the great
point. That's that's a great point.
I think I talked about somethinglike this earlier in my episodes
(20:05):
and like, yeah, there's a special type of attitude to put
yourself out there. And the narcissist is a good
word too. There's a lot of good points in
that. I know that you kind of can
create the infrastructure to do it in your life, just like you
can if you're a position and youneed to put things out quickly.
(20:25):
You have your guitar player thatyou call, you have a drummer
come lay down this track like that exists.
But I just don't happen to have that with people who make
Internet content. And I don't know how that
happens organically when you do what I do.
So it's it'll be very self driven.
And what I'm starting to do is like I got fun lights that make
(20:47):
like stars on the wall and like purple and stuff for my attic.
And so I practice in here in thedark lot.
So I just started videoing it and I don't know if I'm going to
get a place, get to a place where I'm like editorializing
and talking to people about stuff.
But I figure I'll just play the covers I'm already playing, but
(21:08):
make a good video of it, do a bit of the audio editing and
then put it out. And that way people can see what
I actually do rather than makingup some like fake other things
to try to draw attention. Just if you like what I do, you
can watch what I do. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong
with keeping it original. I think that's what we need to
(21:28):
balance out all the other goofiness happening on TikTok
and. Keeping it.
Original might just be the way. Definitely.
Fantastic. I'll Sherlock, thank you so much
for coming on the show today. Well, I appreciate it.
Thank you so much for having me.
Once again. Back with another.
Episode in the music series. Now if you guys haven't noticed,
2 episodes a. Week.
To finish off the year. A fantastic music, artists and
cool things. And of course, our counting down
a few episodes away from. The. 4th 100th episode which is
(00:43):
the 6th year anniversary episodecoming up in a few weeks.
That'll be fantastic if you justwant to support me.
Super simple. Check the link tree.
The link in bio will give you the link to the merch store.
Probably about 40% off around Christmas time, so.
Pick up this. Special indie artist T-shirt now
and nine different designs. Pick one you like and support
(01:06):
the show that way. And if you don't support these
artists, easiest way go listen. Go subscribe to them, add them
to the playlist. Listen to my playlist.
Simple, go support independent music out there because this is
what we do here in this community.
O Let's get to today's interview.
One of my favorite things is to get more Kenny music on the show
and El Sherlock. Welcome to the show.
(01:29):
Hi, thanks for having me. I'm excited to have you on the
show today because I was listening to surface your latest
track for quite a bit. Well, since I got it and it's
been on repeat because I'd like to get myself in in in the
groove with the vibe before I get to an inner especific
interview. And for an artist like yourself
(01:49):
from coming from Ottawa, it's, it's not surprising.
A lot of good Canadian talent and this just proves we need to
get more Canadian artists on playlists and radio and things
like that. So I'm excited to have you here.
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that.
So before we get to the track that I just mentioned, what I
think a little bit deeper, get into the background of you a
(02:10):
little bit and kind of get to know you a little bit more.
So walk me through how you started, how you got into the
music industry. OK, I didn't get into music at a
very young age. We always listened to music in
my house, and there was a reallybig variety of music.
Both my parents have pretty eclectic tastes, so that was
cool. But I did visual art for a long
(02:32):
time and I was a super nerdy kidand like lots of pressure to do
a good job in school and stuff. And then after the age that
people normally start piano lessons, my parents forced me to
and I didn't want to because I had this idea that if I made it
into a school subject, it would ruin music.
(02:53):
But I started piano lessons classically and I was good at it
quick and I really liked it. And it quickly became like my
thing. So overtime that took over and I
would do like the exams and the festivals and competitions and
stuff and I would get like, oh, highest mark in Canada, or I
(03:14):
would write songs and submit them.
And it just sort of grew from there because I was good enough
with that that I could play and like, try singing along because
I thought that was a bit cooler.And then eventually I taught
myself to play guitar and it just sort of happened
organically in that way. Nobody in my family encouraged
(03:36):
it because I don't have musicians in my family, so they
don't really see a path for thisas a career.
Like, they supported me doing it, but it just kind of became
something that I loved and refused to let go.
And now I saw him right? And most of my friends are
musicians. And so that's just kind of how
(03:58):
I've stayed in the game. Well, that's awesome.
Now, when you're creating your art, there's going to be
somewhere that you go where yourmind ventures to come up with
concepts for what you're doing, what you're creating.
Is there anything specific that you pull from your reflect on
when you write music? Yeah, there will be certain
(04:24):
periods of time where my head really doesn't leave that space.
I might be doing other things, but there's always everything
that I do in my life is going totrigger a song lyric or, oh, I
should do that, or oh, that would be a great idea.
And so I'm very, very often stopping in the middle of a busy
(04:44):
work task to write down a lyric and then possibly abandoning the
task to finish the lyric. Yeah.
So summer is great for that because it's easier to, like,
always be walking outside or doing yard work or biking
somewhere. And then in the winter, I have
this studio attic that I put on the top floor of my house.
(05:05):
And what happens is that it's dark so much, and I write best
in the darkness because I'm fromthe north.
So it's just kind of like cozy for me.
So in the winter, I take all thebits that I did out in the world
in the summer and I bring it up to the attic and I just kind of
live up here and put the songs together.
And they're usually pretty Moodybecause I feel like darkness and
(05:29):
having a kind of my voice likes to try out different tones and
stuff. So it helps me make Moody music
like to go from whispery to veryheavy.
It can take you to different places without having to do a
lot in the actual texture of a song.
So that's what I do. And I mean my day-to-day life
(05:51):
will trigger me another music orsorry, another song that I've
heard will trigger me, especially if it's from another
genre or it like surprises me. So I listen to a lot of like
Irish post punk, random stuff, things that I feel like I
couldn't make that verbatim. But what if I did that thing
(06:11):
that I like about their song? And that's how I come to new
ideas. So it it's hard being creative.
Do you ever feel overwhelmed with all the things that you
want to do and put into a track or write down?
Oh yeah, that's part of it. And sometimes you end up just
(06:35):
writing a song that gives the energy of how overwhelmed I am
by all stuff. But I, I love it.
I don't feel overwhelmed in a bad way, but I do notice that
it's hard as an independent artist to keep a handle on all
of it because it's true. There's so much I could do, but
(06:55):
there's only one of me. And being having a bit more of
an artistic mind, it wants to goeverywhere all at once.
So that's good for the music, but it's not necessarily good
for picking the best strategic thing to do and sticking to it.
Sometimes I'm most creative whenI have to do something for a
(07:18):
deadline and I might love it, but just the fact of the
deadline, I wanna push back against it.
That energy will end up resulting in a new song idea.
So like it used to be like that when I was in school too and I
had exams like my university roommate used to say, like wow,
you always do everything except the thing you have to do, but
(07:39):
you get a good song out of it, so.
Well, that and, and being an indie artist is insanely hard.
It's it's a team of, you know, one, right?
And you could only focus your energy on to so many things.
That's the thing what any artist, most people don't
understand, like there isn't a giant team or record label
behind you kind of walking you through some of the things that
(08:02):
you could. So you can focus on just
creative. You have to control everything.
So that's that's really hard. Yeah, And there are so many
people who support me in my life, but it they, they don't
know what to do. Like they don't have a business
strategy, so they're excited forme or interested.
(08:22):
But I do get that feeling sometimes where I'm missing that
person just tell me what to do or just like set me on a path
for the day that has a clear outcome and I'll do it.
And that I, I hope, is what a label would do.
But at the moment I'm kind of trying to figure out how to
navigate got myself so that I can retain the most creative
(08:45):
control until I feel ready and kind of like prepared to give
that up. No, of course.
Now let's get back into our music here because your track
for today is called Surface. Now tell me how this track came
about and and everything you canabout it.
OK, well, Surfaces is a nice story actually, because Ottawa
(09:11):
has a bit of a reputation, at least amongst the musicians, for
not being a place that welcomes original music.
And that's, it's been my experience.
But it depends on your perspective because you can
choose to ignore that. Play your original music and
you'll probably do OK. But it's true that whenever you
have a band and you want to put on a show, it will happen that a
(09:35):
venue or a promoter will push back if you say you want to play
your originals. They won't covers and like bar
friendly music that people will know, but that they can also
tune out. And so there's this reputation,
but there's a venue in Ottawa that created themselves with the
intention of making a space for original music.
(09:56):
They started as a hot sauce business where every hot sauce
is branded with like kind of a pun on a different type of cat.
So the venue name is called Meow.
That's Hot. And they've got all of these
like different flavoured hot sauces that are cat themed.
And one night I was invited to go see a friend of mine play his
(10:18):
original music at at like an originals only show that this
venue was hosting. And I knew this particular guy,
his name is Tyler Cochrane from being the host of an open mic
that I go to. And he has a killer voice.
Like I wouldn't continue to go to the open mic except that he
is the host and I want to hear him thing.
(10:40):
And he also attracts better musicians to the open mic
because he's quite good. And I he doesn't play his
originals because he feels like nobody wants to hear them.
And he's been invited to go showcase some of them at this
place. And it was the first time I'd
actually ever seen a songwriter circle in Ottawa.
(11:01):
And at that time I didn't play my originals very much either
because I didn't know if they were good.
They didn't feel perfect to me. And that was kind of like a
barrier for me at that time. And Tyler was playing these
songs that were awesome and I was sitting there like, why do
you not do this? And something he played like a
(11:21):
lyric that he put out and how hedid a song, gave me a first line
of a song. And then I was sitting there
like on my phone writing the lyrics to my song while Tyler
played his song. And that was kind of how Surface
started. It gave me an idea like based on
something in my life and, and all of that.
(11:42):
But it was really just because Iwas in this place where people
were playing original music in Ottawa that was actually good
after for so long I'd had the impression that nobody wanted to
hear it. Then it probably wasn't going to
be good anyways. So it's just one of these like
light bulb went on experiences. And after that, I didn't have so
(12:03):
much difficulty finishing songs.Like, it was almost like the
psychological barrier of this has to be perfect or nobody will
like it. Or there was something in there
that changed because I saw that and yeah, I took that home and I
messed around with some stuff and that's how that song came
about. Fantastic.
(12:23):
Let's let's hear it. Let's play it on the show right
now. Here's El Sherlock surface.
(12:52):
I fell on the floor tracing the shapes in the tile.
Why you should It's well past Sorry to hot start day.
(13:13):
I would rather Into the Sea, theshow somebody.
I was falling rain. How?
(13:40):
All all right. Sometimes I try and no you on
the surface there's no consequences and no purpose
falling into the same answer. The shore heavenly opening sky
(14:05):
loving the tide on to somebody else's.
I'm not really here. Mostly it's hard to focus how to
(14:32):
come back from hearts and Lotus.Soft hair, soft spoken, and then
the space between the. Words.
I felt broken. Rather be falling into the
rolling tired and make you watchme flow in falling to the sea
(15:05):
the morning. To stay dry.
And. You 1 better you squad.
(15:55):
There you go that was surface will be on the Spotify playlist
go like follow subscribe of course, added to your own
playlist give a lot of plays just supportive pin artists.
That's what we do on the show now.
Ell question for you, 2026, we got a whole year ahead of us.
What are some of your plans coming up for the year?
Well, in 2026 I'm releasing my first album.
(16:18):
It's all recorded and I'm sitting with the mixes for 10
songs and I'm working on a strategy to release it and
that's what I'm going to be doing mostly in 2026.
That's a lot of decisions, like Kevin Album, but you think about
how you want to release it and bring your music out to the
public. That's hard.
(16:40):
Yeah, the. Strategy.
It's exciting, the strategy. I'm definitely going to ask for
some help, and I've already started doing that.
But it's true. There's like, what image am I
supposed to have when you recordmusic and then you hear yourself
back after it? Because I've been performing for
such a long time, just lie. A lot of it has been so low.
(17:05):
And that's actually a pretty different experience for me to
hear and for the people in the room to hear than it is to hear
the tracks that I made for this album.
It you hear me in a different way.
And so my experience of recording the the songs showed
me that maybe people will hear me in a different way than they
have been seeing me so far. So I have to figure that out.
(17:27):
You don't always know how you come off.
And I think the difference between me live playing in like
an Ottawa bar is is potentially pretty big.
When you hear the tracks, which can be a bit more pop.
It's just kind of like grander and more intimate.
I'm not always like belting singing.
(17:47):
So yeah, it's it's a lot to figure out, but I love it
because it's showing me how muchmore I could do that I didn't
know before. Well, that's fantastic.
And knowing you have a full album, you said 10 tracks coming
out in next year. That's that's amazing.
And that's definitely going to be something to look forward to.
Now if you have, yeah, you have a website, illsherlock.com, but
(18:10):
also which socials would you like anybody listening to go and
follow you and anticipate this album coming out.
Yeah, I am most consistent with Instagram.
It's just what I'm used to. But also I have a tick tock and
I am trying to make myself use it more so I would.
Say struggle. It yeah, it's I'm, I'm kind of
(18:35):
like shy as a person. So it's out of my wheelhouse to
be like making presentations. And there are people who are so
good about it on TikTok and they're funny and I like them.
But finding my place in that hasbeen difficult because I don't
have the impulse to be like, I'mgoing to tell everybody about
this and I'm not going to worry about what they think of me or
what happens to it. Like I just don't have that.
(18:58):
So I'm figuring that part out. I like the word you use
presentation. That just totally makes sense.
I never heard that before. It totally makes sense for
TikTok. Yeah, like, it's funny.
There are things that I think ofthat might be funny or
interesting to people that I wouldn't necessarily put in a
song. But I either just don't have the
(19:19):
guts or I wasn't socialized in away where it would occur to me
to now immediately put that on the Internet and trust that I'm
not going to look like a fool. Like, I don't know, I don't know
how to do it. And it, it feels to me also like
the people who are successful atit, like who's the second person
in their life who is following them around with the camera who
(19:43):
enables this? Like, I don't have that.
And if I ask somebody in my lifeto do that, they would think I
was a narcissist. Like, I don't know, I don't have
that second friend who's puttingme on camera.
That's, that's fantastic. You know, you, that's the great
point. That's that's a great point.
I think I talked about somethinglike this earlier in my episodes
(20:05):
and like, yeah, there's a special type of attitude to put
yourself out there. And the narcissist is a good
word too. There's a lot of good points in
that. I know that you kind of can
create the infrastructure to do it in your life, just like you
can if you're a position and youneed to put things out quickly.
(20:25):
You have your guitar player thatyou call, you have a drummer
come lay down this track like that exists.
But I just don't happen to have that with people who make
Internet content. And I don't know how that
happens organically when you do what I do.
So it's it'll be very self driven.
And what I'm starting to do is like I got fun lights that make
(20:47):
like stars on the wall and like purple and stuff for my attic.
And so I practice in here in thedark lot.
So I just started videoing it and I don't know if I'm going to
get a place, get to a place where I'm like editorializing
and talking to people about stuff.
But I figure I'll just play the covers I'm already playing, but
(21:08):
make a good video of it, do a bit of the audio editing and
then put it out. And that way people can see what
I actually do rather than makingup some like fake other things
to try to draw attention. Just if you like what I do, you
can watch what I do. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong
with keeping it original. I think that's what we need to
(21:28):
balance out all the other goofiness happening on TikTok
and. Keeping it.
Original might just be the way. Definitely.
Fantastic. I'll Sherlock, thank you so much
for coming on the show today. Well, I appreciate it.
Thank you so much for having me.
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