A Look Back: Backstage at Women Tell All

Right after leaving the stage, Peter and the women talk to “Bachelor Happy Hour.” Rachel sits down with Alayah, Kelsey, Lexi, Shiann, Sydney, Tammy and Victoria P. to talk about the endless drama this season and get their predictions on how it will all end for Peter.

Then, Peter on Madison revealing so late in the process that she is saving herself for marriage.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up everybody? We have a very very special Bachelor
Happy Hour. I am sitting here. I feel like I
should whisper you guys. I'm sitting here backstage.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's women.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Tell all, I've just watched the whole thing. The ladies
will be coming through, and you know, I've got a
ton of questions to ask.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're gonna get to it.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Unfortunately, my girl Becca, she's not going to be here tonight,
but that's okay. I told her I would pick up
the pieces. She wants to be here. She's here in spirit.
She even sent in some questions for me, So I'm
gonna ask Becka's questions. I'm not going to talk anymore
because the first lady is coming up right now. First

(00:41):
up to join me on the podcast. I'm so excited
to talk to you. It's Sydney. Yes, how are you?
First of all, you look sunny.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Let's just know, let me get out dish out compliments.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
And you look amazing.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
But how do you feel?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
You know what I feel? I feel like a certain
calmness right now. I do.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
I feel like a lot has happened over you know,
an extended amount of time and I finally have had
a little second to breathe and for everything to finally
happen and to move on.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, yeah, no, I mean today it was a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
It was a lot, but like for different reasons. Because one,
you know, you're like facing the draw. It's a reunion show,
you know, like we all love reunion shows because it's
like you, it all comes to a head. You've seen
what everyone's saying at im right, it's a Peter all.
That's all that good, bad stuff. But like it's the
first time y'all are seeing each other and talking. Then
you have to see Peter for the first time and
it's been three months ish. Then we had this conversation

(01:37):
that needed to be had that honestly you spearheaded.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank you and no, thank you both of you.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Though no it's not because of me. No, we have
to give credit where credit is due, because you know,
we had the conversation where we talked about race. It
was uncomfortable, but it was necessary. And I don't know
if you guys know this, but you know, Sidney and
I had a conversation because of a lot of hate that.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
She was receiving.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
And I am one to brush things under the rug.
I'm like, Okay, I get a message, delete, move on.
But that's not what everybody does. And I'm acting like
it's not an issue and it's a problem. And it
was you who made me say, you know what, it
is a problem and we need to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So how did you feel having that conversation?

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
So when we had our conversation, I was just you know,
we were just talking about what, you know, looking up
to you and what you had to go through, you know,
as the first African American box thread and being in
this it's hard for women of color.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's hard.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
And I'll say that because I've lived this my whole
life and then now it being on such a huge
scale I've had to deal with. You know, if someone
doesn't like you, they go as low as they possibly can,
and the lowest you can go with someone's race, you know.
So having this opportunity to talk about something that I'm
so passionate about and something that I saw in this
and I hope that changes meant everything to me. And

(02:58):
I just feel like it's my duty for girls that
do look like us to know that you can do
this number one and you can rise above the.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hate yeah, absolutely see, and that's thank you, thank you
for that. How did it feel when the women came
running over to you to comfort you after seeing some
of those text messages that they know that we're directed
towards not I keep saying text messages, those DMS comments
that were directed to you.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know, a lot of people will say about the
season that we didn't love each other and that we
were always so caddy and.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Against each other.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I still question it, but in that moment was a
moment that I had felt nothing but love from those women,
and the support and the love means so much to me.
And you know, all the little hih yaas that were
done in the past like that that made up for everything,
because you know, when you when you're hurt, you just
that love just means everything.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
And I think that's important for everyone else to see,
because we do see.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, your season has gotten and I've talked about
it all the podcast. Your season has gotten.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
A lot of heat for the girls being so catty
and mean girls and not just not having that unity
and sisterhood. But on the stage, in that moment, we.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Saw the sisterhood.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And it's funny because there was a point today in
Women Tell Law, where LEXI said, you guys don't know this,
but like we all love each other, and I remember thinking, okay, LEXI, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
In that moment, I saw the love someone's hurting, like
I have heard through this and the things that they
actually finally saw that was happening to me.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Nothing but love, Nothing but love was received. And I
love that. Yes I did. I loved it too.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
And I think your mess not think I know your
message resonated with me. I'm sure it's going to resonate
with everybody who saw it. And I just hope that
because of what you spearheaded that we can all be
better and do better and just hold each other accountable.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
It'll be that voice.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
And you know, I this opportunity and this to say
something about it and have you there to just like
support me has meant so much to me.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh and I do.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I hope that it goes forward and we stop this
because you know, we're.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Just going to love each other a little bit more. Yes,
we do. So let's talk about moving forward.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Okay, So you just survived Women Tell All, I survive?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
What is next? Paradise Summer games?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Very sure?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Are you interested?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I want to find love.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
I know that, So whichever way that that may happen,
I'm open to it. Skeptical of course, just because of
all the hate, but hopefully it gets better and you know,
who knows, who knows what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
We have a support system around you, so I think like,
as long as you have that strong circle, you can
combat that hate even on the worst days. Yes, but
I know you're a hot commodity because this Vaclin Nation
world is small and the people are talking. They want
to know if you're going to be out there on
the beach or wherever summer games may be. You can't
give us a head something.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
I'll say like I do want to find love, and
whatever way that may be, we'll.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Have to see. So what do you think about the ending?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I have to get your opinion on this because we
saw tonight that Madison is clearly struggling. We saw Victoria
f goes home and now it's down to Madison and
Hannah knowing everything that came out, because I heard your
response to Madison's the decisions that she has made is
she's navigated this journey.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
But how do you really feel?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
No, because all y'all gave really politically correct answers, and
I happen to think I think what you said is
right about her being true to her like beliefs and
her standards and the commitment that she's made.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's beautiful. But you find no issue in the timing
of it all.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
I you know, I will say, I think she may
it may have been in her best interest to speak
about it before she did, Okay, I think she waited
till the absolute last second and not rub some people
the wrong way. She and I thought if she looking
back now, I think she would have even brought it
up before she did. But in that I will say
that I Madison is who she says she is going

(06:56):
to waiver no matter if there's a fantasy suite or not.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Madison's not going to do that.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
And she holds herself to you know what she's always been,
you know, lived her whole life.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
So what do you think about someone coming on the show, like,
let's just be honest. And I feel like I'm Christian,
let's just be honest that the batchler isn't, like, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Standing on biblical standards. So what do you think.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
About someone who comes on the show knowing how the
show is and then.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Has comes all the way to the end.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yes, you know, possibly taking somebody else's place and potentially
may leave for that same reason. Like, do you think
that's fair? Do you think that's selfish?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I don't think it's selfish.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think that Madison, like I said, should have just
brought it up before she did and it would have
gone a little bit better. Yes, we know the show,
it's not you know, their sex is involved in this show.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's not a secret.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
And her knowing her you know views on that.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
It's if you know, it's one of those situations where
it's just it's like, what are you going to do?
You know, you know you're in this position, You've gotten
this far, you love this man, and there's certain steps
that are going to be made with other women, and
however you feel about it doesn't really matter or at
the end of the day. But I don't think that
she put him in a situation to make this decision.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
She was just like, Hey, this is how I feel
about it.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
It take it or leave.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
It, but this is how I'm going to feel no
matter what happens.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
You know, Okay, Well, what do you think is going
to happen. You know, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Apparently according to Christy is Peter it's I don't know
what that means.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
You know what, Peter has.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Had a reputation for not being able to make decisions.
So I think it's a case of like he hasn't
made his decision.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yet, as in like between the women.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, like they're saying, you know, like he's unspoilt, like
she can't be unspoiled.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, how can it not be unspoiled? Maybe he hasn't
even decided. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Thank you so much for being here, which I appreciate you,
and thank you for what you did tonight.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
All right.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Next in the hot seat is she Inn, which I
am so excited to talk to you because I feel
like on the season we didn't see much. But first
of all, congratt for surviving women. Tell all, that's a
feat in itself. But you were talking, you were getting
into it. You and Lexi had some tifts. I don't
want to get all messy, but I'm just saying, yeah,

(09:10):
it was nice because I think we saw you very
quiet on this show. So how did it feel tonight
sitting up there on stage and really getting to express
what this journey.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Was for you.

Speaker 9 (09:21):
It was honestly, so on the show, I was a
lot more quiet. I didn't want to get involved in
the drama because I was there to find my person.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I wasn't there.

Speaker 9 (09:29):
To start stuff being stuff like I don't want it.
But then you know that doesn't mean I don't have
my feelings about situations, right, and so you know, I'm like,
okay at the tell all, like I need to express
how I feel because I didn't express any of that
when I was on the show, or you know, nothing
was shown, and so that's kind of yeah, that's kind
of why tonight. I just I just took it and

(09:49):
I was like, look, these are the situations and this
is this is like.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
A real thing.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well I was here for yeah, I said, so please
be quiet so she a't can speak?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Oh please?

Speaker 10 (09:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (09:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So you and I were talking just a bit before
we got on the mic, yes for Bachelor Happy Hour.
So when Peter came to the show, yes, the only
time we've had him all I should know, I lie,
we've had him on twice. So when Peter actually came
in the flesh to Bachelor Happy Hour, he revealed that
he didn't pick any of the flight attendants. He sent
home three flight attendants the first night, but then he

(10:22):
said there was one that revealed herself in a very
interesting way, and we never saw that on the show.
So is there something that you want to tell us
that we don't know?

Speaker 7 (10:35):
So I, yes, I used to be a flight attendant.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, she's the one guy more surprised.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, so I used to be a flight attendant.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
It was a couple of years back.

Speaker 9 (10:45):
But after night one and I realized he sent all
of them home, I was like, uh uh, Like, I'm
keeping that a little like, I gotta I gotta build
a relationship first before I high.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Do you play chess? Because you were playing chess night
and you were winning. Because the three of them I
go home.

Speaker 9 (11:00):
And I was like, and so when I told him
like that I was a flight attendant, it was in
that kind of dramatic scene. So we were sitting there,
We're having our conversation, and I was like, how are you, Jane?

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Good?

Speaker 9 (11:10):
Okay, cool, but there's something I need to tell you
and he's like what And I was like God, And
I like started like kind of having like a mini
panic attack, and it's it's on my chest, like I've
been laying in bed staying up late about this, Like
it's I just I don't want you to think anything
different about me. And he's like Jan, what, like you're
really scaring me? And I'm like, I take this long
break and he's like, Jan, tell me. And I look

(11:33):
up at him and I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I used to be a flight attendant. He's like, are
you freaking gidding?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Maybe like jumped back in his seat and he's like.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Oh my god, you scared the crab out of me.
I thought it was something else and we just laughed
and like talked about flying.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
It's somebody well, he.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Was still talking about it because he loves it.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
He was excited to tell us.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I DMed him the other day because I'm like, who
was this mystery flight attendant?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
And when he told me it was you, I was like,
are you kidding me? And he's so upset that that
didn't make the cut.

Speaker 9 (11:59):
It was so great, Like I'm so sad that didn't
show because there was a lot of me crying and
I was like and that was like one moment where
I was like, Oh, they're gonna show this and everyone's
gonna be like yeah, and any even show, I was
like great, okay, fine.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Do you feel like you have any regrets? Because it's
it's one thing to be in it all and then
you go home and then you watch where you were
a part of it and then so much.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
More of it back.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do you feel like you have any regrets from this season?

Speaker 9 (12:23):
I definitely could have been more aggressive, im you know,
it's hard when you're on the show. You try, but
that doesn't mean you get your way. Yeah, and I
definitely did try, but I could have been more like no,
like I need this, I'm going, you know, go go go,
rather than than being like no and be like okay,
like yeah, I should have been more aggressive. And that's
kind of one thing, like I definitely wish I could

(12:46):
have done one.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well, I can see why you didn't want to be
aggressive because there was a lot of aggressive.

Speaker 9 (12:51):
Behavior and I'm not really I'm not a person to
just be naggy like that. I'm just not like I
will put forth the effort, but I'm not one to
just be in your face all the time. Go go,
go go, you know. So that was something that was
challenging for me.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Who are you close with from your season.

Speaker 9 (13:10):
I'm actually really close with Tammy. Me and Tammy are
super close.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I am so actually happy that you said that because
I love her so much. Watching tonight, it seems like
who's friends with I think at one point I saw
you kind of like consoling Tammy, but I.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Was like, Who's friends with?

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Tammy? Just seemed to be so much build up an
attack on Tammy, And I get it, Tammy.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Tammy made some mistakes she did throughout the show.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Everybody did right, and I think, you know, I relate
to someone with a strong personality and a lot of opinions,
and you know, sometimes we navigate things differently. But it's
really nice to hear that Tammy actually has a friend
at the house. I like, we talk every day, Well,
can every day you like about Tammy because it seems
like I feel like it's it's lost in some.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Of the drama.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
The thing is is that regardless of and it's with
that person, like, regardless if she.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Gives you the tough love when you hate it, she's.

Speaker 9 (14:04):
There when you're sad, when you're upset, if you need
someone to talk to you, she listens, but then she
kind of brings you back and she's like Okay, have
your moment, but also like come back and you're better
than that and move forward. Don't really like listen to
the hate. Don't do this, like and that's it's a
great thing to have. Like, yes, she's tender in those
moments of where you need a good friend and use
a shoulder crown, but like she also builds your backbone

(14:27):
and she's like, don't be weepy, like come on.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
And I think we see that.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, you're right, and we all need that friend. And
I think we do see that.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
It's just so much happened after that. We forgot, because
let's not forget. During Champagne Gay, it was Tammy who
was and that's converting Kelsey and who was checking to
see if everyone's okay And she was like Hannah Ann
said she didn't, and she was really trying to be
the mediator, yes, and dissolve the situation and then kind
of find a resolution to it.

Speaker 9 (14:55):
She I mean, yes, she's strong in her words, and
some people just can't take that for what it is
without feeling attacked. And I don't think it ever comes
in a place of being attacked. I think that some
of those moments, you know, between Kelsey and Tammy and
Sydney and Tammy or whatever and that at that in
Costa Rica, it was just I feel like Tammy was
feeling attacked and then that's when it.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Just came out.

Speaker 9 (15:16):
Yeah, you know and I and that can happen to anybody.
I don't think that's a fault on Tammy.

Speaker 10 (15:21):
I told her.

Speaker 9 (15:21):
I was like, you could have handled it a little
bit better, right, But that's with anyone into the learning experience. Yeah,
so you watch it back and you're like, yeah, that
wasn't right. I should have said it this way.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
And you think she learned from this experience. Definitely good.
Good for her.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
So before I let you go, I have to ask you,
because we have no idea what happens at the end
of this is a first, not a first that I
necessarily like, I want to know what's happening.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
So what happens at the end of it?

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Where? What do you think happens at the end of
this season?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
God, I truly don't know.

Speaker 9 (15:50):
And I've tried to figure I've tried to like make equations.
I'm like writing it down like that Madison does this,
and then and then Hannah Ann does this, and then
Peter goes home and Barb's crying.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Matt like, I've like.

Speaker 9 (16:02):
Literally written it down and try to figure out the answer.
I don't know, because every time I see an episode,
I'm like, oh no, it's this, and my whole thing changes.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
And when you were saying that, all I saw was
the meme where the woman has the equation in the
chalkboard behind her and she just more confused and more.
That's me.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's just I. That's all of us. Yeah, it's all
of us. Well, thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
It's so nice to me say, oh, okay, this is
my first podcast, and I'm so honored.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I love you some more time. I literally all the.

Speaker 9 (16:36):
Time, and I'm just like, oh my god, oh well,
thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Not everybody gets to come in.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
The hot scene, so it's such a pleasure to meet you.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Have fun to night because I know the after party
is going to be popping.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
I'm ready for the pizza.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh oh, I don't know there was pizza. Okay, let's go.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I just want to say how fabulous Aleyah looks. Listen
this sequence suit and I'm not a big sequence for
actually all ever since being faster, reatt it's what I
don't are with the sparkle.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
This looks amazing.

Speaker 8 (17:11):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
What size are?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
You can buy whatever you want girls, I can't fit
the same thing. Listen, I keep telling everyone this. You
survived Women Tell All. I feel like a lot of
people had eyes on you, questions about what kind of
went down. There just seems to be so much in
the air. Do you feel like you got everything out
that you needed to say tonight?

Speaker 6 (17:33):
I feel like I did. I mean, it's hard being
in that. I know that I was really kind of
dreading going to Women Tell All because I'm not an
aggressive personality, and obviously we have a lot of aggressive
personalities in our group, and I was really nervous that
I wasn't going to be able to say what I
had to say.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
But now that it's all over and.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
I can breathe again, I feel pretty good about how
everything happened.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, people didn't attack you. No, it wasn't about you, Honestly,
it seemed to be more of more of the heat
was on Victoria.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, Victoria p Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
I mean I feel like there was a lot of
Like I said, there's a lot of miscommunication. There's a
lot of lack of communication, and I feel like a
lot of America and the girls in the house had questions.
But I do feel like we were able to kind
of address those.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Do you because I feel like I still have some questions, like,
for example, did you really know each other longer than
three hours?

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Okay, that's just seems to be the biggest one.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, what to sum up when you heard watching back
the conversation that Victoria had with Peter about you, Victoria
p Sorry had with Peter about you.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Sum up your reaction in one word.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
I mean, I was taken aback, for sure. I wasn't
expecting that. It was hard to watch for me because
coming into this, I did expect for us to have
each other's back. But I understand that when you're asked
a question and you have a feeling, you're going to
express that, you're going to be honest about your feelings. Again,
I just feel like it was a lack of communication
going into that, and I wish that we would have

(18:59):
had the chance to talk about it before Peter asked
about it. Yeah, but we didn't, and that's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Where do you guys stand today?

Speaker 6 (19:06):
I mean, we kind of just respect each other, like
we understand that we didn't communicate enough through this and
that we want to both move past this. We don't
want this to define us, to find the group of
friends that we're in, and we just want to kind
of have like a mutual respect for each other.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's good.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, that's very adult and mature of you. Yes, there
doesn't have to be a winner, loser, or writer wrong.
We just respect each other's opinion.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
So, I have an important question for you that I
know America wants to know.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Do you have a job? Three jobs? And please tell
them what? Tell people what they are.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
I didn't realize my occupation would be so interesting either,
So the obvious. I'm an orthodonic asistant. I modeled professionally,
and I own a boutique.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Good for you, girl. Tell people where they can find
the boutique. I mean we bought as well. Pump it
off the podcast boutique.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
I got these earrings from my boutique, so we have
keet access states. It's me, my mom, and my sister.
We run it together.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Good for you. So what's next?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, first, no, I like to ask this question because
I've been in your shoes before. I know what it's
like to have a sisterhood in the house, and you
guys got a lot of heat for not having a sisterhood.
Seems to be a lot of cattiness. And then but
then Lexi was like, well, we all love each other. Yeah,
so who were you close with in the house.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
Is an obvious Savannah. Savannah's my girl.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Man, Savannah, you're my back girl.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
We all need a Savannah in our lives and saying
how but I feel like as Texas girls as we
just have each other's backs like that. Savannahs from Texas too, right, Yep?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Did y'all know each other before?

Speaker 6 (20:38):
No, we didn't, So we met on the show. Were
already have plans to go to the rodeo together. I mean,
if that's a rodeo.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
At the rodeo, she Liz was before me at the rodeo,
I'm almost oh my god, I need to see you.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I am almost.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Positive because the rodeo is what like next week or
something like that, next month, next month. Time road already
happened the Houston rodeo. I'm pretty sure. Oh listening, that's
that is performing because she used to live in Houston.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
She's so good.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, I'm obsessed with her.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, I'm glad I could do you that favor. Thank you,
Thank you for that. So what's next for you? Paradise
summer games?

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Pudi's asking, I don't think I'm fit enough for summer games.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm the cheerleader on the sidepline.
Cheerleading is a sport, it's totally you watch cheer No.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I was like, I could Matt talk you. That's a thing.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Oh really, my sister did cheerleader. Okay, so I understand,
like the sideline.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Go, but I don't know.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Everybody keeps asking about Paradise, and genuinely, I have no idea.
I feel like that's one of those decisions I'm just
gonna make when the question come.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
You are so put together, and I get it, like
I can be.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I wasn't in pagets, but like just being an attorney
and like feeling like you have to be.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
On, like you know how to turn it on, I
know an appropriate situation.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yes I know, Yes, I know how to put on
a show as well. I get it.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
So my question to you is what do you do
to like let your hair down and go crazy?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Like are you ever not put together?

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean did you see me help a counter? Yes?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Very drunk about that?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Ye? About bored?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Those are the best moments.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
It was so fun. I had the best day of
that day until everything kind of fell apart. But I
was just bored and I was like, you know what,
I've been in this house for three days. I'm going
to get drunk tonight and I'm gonna have some pizza
and some cookies. And one thing led to another. I
found the pilot's hat and next thing you know, I'm
on the counter talking about the Mile High Club. I
don't it just happened?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well, you know what, you want me to share a
secret with you? One day we were really like had
nothing to do. You know how it is like when
you don't have a date and you're like, okay, well
like drink, play games whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
We started talking about turking.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
I feel like tworking was like so big basin and
I was like, do you know how to twirk on
the wall? And so we taught everybody how to tork
on the wall, like that was like our thing.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I don't know who I would ever on.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I've never even done it for my husband.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
Maybe you apparently that I art listening to this. He's
gonna be like, baby, I know what happened.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know what we used to joke and say, the
reason we're getting roses is because we're like remember that
night that we were all talking on the wall. Oh yeah,
that's what we do in our one on one time. No,
Oh my gosh, your naves are like mine twins.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
You guys, we're having a moment.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Hair.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
You can't see it, but we're having a moment.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's like there's something deep walk rooted in Texas spirit.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Yeah right, it's just a thing you've seen somebody from Texas.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
You're like, yeah, I got you, girl, I got you.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
All right?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, is there anything else do you feel like you
want to clear up that you.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Want to say?

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Gosh, yes, I listened to your podcast.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Oh when I called you Alayah.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
It's just something the Texas longhorn being my spirit animal
I got and I went to a game shortly after
listening to I'm like, yeah, he's boring. Never mind, it's
a kuala. My new spirit air wall is a kuala.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you changed it because of what I said you.
At first, I was like, yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Texas Pride long horns. Then I'm like, no, yeah, he's boring.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Did you callow Texas?

Speaker 3 (23:54):
No, I'm just okay.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
But so well, you're close enough there except for the
time that he almost tried to.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Run over the dogs.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
That was that was that's your spirit animal.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I'm beavo against Georgia.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Georgia bulder. Yeah, Georgia bulldogs.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, Well, thank you so much for being here, and
I just wish you the best on your journey.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
We hope to see you on something else.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
We'll see we want more of you in the pilot
head toronk on top of the counter.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Hey, hey, we know she's in there. We know she's
in there.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
That's our fans I have sitting in front of me
with a mouthful of pizza. Kelsey, Kelsey, welcome to the show.
I'm trying to think of where I want to start
with you.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Just bring it all. I'm ready for it.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, you survived women tell all.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's what I say. That's an honor in itself. How
do you think it went?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
How do you think you did?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think for the most party did. Okay.

Speaker 11 (24:43):
You know, I'm I'm somebody that can embrace my flaws.
I can own up to when I was in the
wrong and just make humor of it. And that's what
I tried to do. The thing about me is I
did express to the girls in the house how I
felt about them.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
I didn't talk crap in the interviews.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Oh so it's a rare characteristic.

Speaker 11 (25:07):
I knew people knew how I felt about them going
into it, and we had most of everything hashed out.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (25:13):
I think the girls that didn't do that were a
little bit more scared. So for me, it was just
kind of like, all right, let's see.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
What I've said everything I have to say. That's a
rare thing.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm like that too.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
But that's why that's why it was controversial in the house.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, because you said stuff.

Speaker 11 (25:28):
I think so, because a lot of the girls, you know,
would kind of say stuff a little bit, but then
in their interviews they would say more mm hm. So
then it kind of got a little bit more controversial
at the women to all.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, I was talking to she and because she said
she's really close to Tammy, and you know, I was
thinking about this and I'm like, what went wrong? Because
that night at Champagne Gate, she was the one who
was like right there with you.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Did you see her interviews, not at that point. They
turned later, But it turns.

Speaker 11 (25:58):
Later if you actually paid it tension, because I go
out and watch now, I was paying attention. She was
talking about how crazy I was in that moment, how
Peter needed to know and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
So she was already in the champagne moment.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
But it was a crazy moment, Kelsey, soh.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Obviously it was it was I were that shit, But
be honest, I.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Laughed and I actually took.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Up for you on the podcast because I was like,
she's not a bully. I mean, it was crazy, but
I was like, you weren't a bully in that moment,
and I hate when that word is so.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
For we used. I was.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
She cursed her out, but she didn't bully.

Speaker 11 (26:34):
But I think, in Hannahan knowsis the reason I was
so heated in that moment was because if she would
have just left me alone, I wouldn't. I didn't go
up to her and like continue.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
To be mean.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
When did y'all become friends?

Speaker 11 (26:51):
Honestly, it was on our way down to Costa Rica.
On the plane, her and I sat next to each
other both times, which never happened. Oh, it was like
this rare God sent thing and her and I just
talked everything out and it was nice because it was
off camera. I know the viewers want to see that,
but I think even if we did it on camera,
it wouldn't have really been and maybe wouldn't have been shown,

(27:13):
and people wouldn't have really cared because there was so
much trauma going on.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, I appreciated it, actually, and I didn't notice it
at first. It was back of my co host who
couldn't be here today. Shout out to Becca. She noticed it.
How you when Hannah Ann came back from what was it,
three on one two one on something like that, you
ran up to her and you hugged her and we
were like, see, we can't all get along.

Speaker 11 (27:35):
But what's funny is people it's this is the hard
thing about the show because my drama happened so early on,
and that was really the first time, the first thing
people saw of me, that was their first impression of me.
So it was like me trying to climb a mountain
to get people to see who I really was. Whereas
for a lot of girls, people got to see who

(27:56):
they were and then they got in drama and it's like, oh,
it's just bad moment. Yeah, But for me it was like, oh,
well I can't get past the champagne thing.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 11 (28:03):
Yeah, so if you actually watched the show in Costa Rica,
Hannah and I had a one on one girl chat.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
But a lot of.

Speaker 11 (28:11):
People dismiss that, Yeah, it is in their mind. And
then I went crazy, you know, with calling sinning what
I did.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I got a little intoxicated.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, but that wasn't I felt like champagne Gate was
so big that you really had nowhere to go from up.
But like, you really went up fast. And I think
a lot of people were surprised at the progression of
your relationship with Peter. A lot of people like, whether
they liked it or not, that you went and talked
to Peter privately, whatever it is, you and Peter had something,

(28:39):
and you made it all the way to hometowns yep,
And I think people started to change on you.

Speaker 11 (28:43):
I know the amount of hate I got from champagne Gate.
Some of those messages on the board were from me,
and I did out people on my own personal account,
and I got mixed reviews about it.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Some people, if you're bold enough to send the message,
then you're bold enough to.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Let people and I used to be able to show
on it.

Speaker 11 (29:00):
I blocked that out, but I even even from Bachelor Nation,
I got some messages like, hey, you're better than that.
You're feeding into their like what they want, You're feeding
the whatever. And I'm like, but I'm not because I'm
not showing who it is. But I also think it's
important to put it out there. So I'm really happy
that we.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Got to talk about that tonight because good.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I think it's important and I think it was important too,
and I'm glad that, like you guys were so open
about you know, you're sharing your own experiences because it's
not always easy.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
And I think as one person did, everyone else did.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
And it sounds like you guys had talked with each
other too about some of the experiences that you're sharing.
And I think when you have that power circle of friends,
it really helps you combat this because nobody gets this,
no what you're going through.

Speaker 11 (29:42):
And I think when I put those messages on my
Instagram story, I had so many girls that I hadn't
really talked to that reach out. It's like, this isn't okay.
I get this all the time, you know, kind of
like all right, we didn't see eyed eye, but we
can level on the fact that we know we're going through.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
So that was reassuring. Yeah, it almost bonds you in
a way.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It does.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It does real quick paradise summer games? Would you do those?

Speaker 11 (30:06):
I think I would like summer games more just because
I'm such a competitive person. You didn't going to see
this because I was on all the glam dates. I
would have loved to do tackle football, but I didn't
want the bruises.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
So I'm happy for that fact.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
But I would have ran over some girls go just
to know they're listening.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
They're listening to this.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Also, who does Peter pick Hannah Ann Madison or himself?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I can't decide between the two, so I'm going to
say himself.

Speaker 11 (30:34):
Okay that just because I can decide between I go
back and forth every other day.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I'm Grey Picks. Nothing wrong with that me too. Well,
thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
It's so nice to meet meet. Where's that bottle of champagne?
I wanted some of that? You didn't pop that thing?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
I I don't know. I have like champagne all over me.
But all right, sitting here with.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Me now is Lexi? So I know something about you
that maybe you don't think that I know. Oh, I
heard you were the coolest chick.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
In the house.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's literally how it was described to me. They were like,
oh my god, Lexi's the coolest.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
I love that.

Speaker 7 (31:13):
That's awesome, But I don't think I'm the coolest that.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, like, we didn't see a lot of you
on the season, but I felt like when you spoke
it was like very matter of fact. You were very chill.
You didn't seem to get like involved in the drama. Yeah,
I had the girl click. Y'all have y'all had a
little click.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
It's okay. We were. They called us the cool kiss.
We had a click too.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
I just like you're in the house when there's thirty
different women, Yeah, you're gonna, you know, be drawn to
certain people and they become like your safe place in
the house. So that that really was that group of girls.
And we're just very outspoken.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, fancastic as hell.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
We just joke around a lot with each other, like
we have very like self depreciating humors. Yeah, and I
think you needed that kind of like comedic relief in
the situation.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
We were in.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, let me ask you this because I feel like
after watching you tonight and women tell all you are opinionated,
you're outspoken girl after my own heart, but you tell
it like it is so watching as a viewer what
was happening in the house with the women, it was
like insane.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know, you've gotten a lot of flack. Yeah, was
it really that bad?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
It was worse?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Oh my god, I think it would have self eliminated.

Speaker 7 (32:30):
Well, that's the thing is I started to just like
it was almost funny, like how have we gotten so
far off track of what we're supposed to be focusing on,
which is Peter. Yeah, like we're talking about champagne bottles
and friendships before and we don't who cares? Yeah, it
just started to get so noisy. I just wanted to

(32:51):
be like, like, what just happening?

Speaker 2 (32:54):
You just have to last to survive.

Speaker 7 (32:56):
So I think I didn't realize that. I thought I
was coming off like a crazy person.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, Like because by the time we got to coas Draka.

Speaker 7 (33:03):
I had I hit my my mark. I was like,
that's it, I'm going to say exactly what I want.
And I felt like I did that all the way through.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Sure, but.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
I just I was there truly just to find a connection.
I believe, I don't care if I win. I didn't
care if I went home at night one that he
wasn't my person. Yeah, it was so nice to meet
you because I'm very happy with my life. Yeah, and
I want someone to share it with. Yeah, that's the
whole That was it for me.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Do you think that was your demise? Like, do you
think that that's why you ended up? You didn't participate
in the drama. He seems to like when a girl
shows emotion, you know, like almost confuses that with depth.
We talk about that on the podcast, confuses the two.
Do you think like that that was probably why you
went home? Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:52):
I think it was a multiple things. I definitely could
have opened up a little bit more earlier on. It
was just hard, I think far with everything else going on,
and a lot of the conversations turned to what was
going on with other girls? Yeah, And I was like, Peter,
I'm so glad that you want to ask me, but

(34:12):
I'm also not your therapist, Like, yeah, I won't trying
to date you. Yeah, and we just keep talking about
other girls. So that was a little frustrating, But I
just I understood where he was coming from like I
felt for him. I wanted to give him some sort
of guidance if that's really what he wanted. And I

(34:33):
don't think I would change anything, Like I learned so
much about my gold and I'm even more vocal, you know,
like I have no problem.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Just oh you were vocal or you were vocal tonight,
I said, Well, like I was talking to she and
I was like, what's up with you?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
And LEXI? I mean, which I was, well, no, no,
I know. Interesting for me too.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Well, I was proud of her because it was like
she wanted to speak and have her voice because we
didn't see it much on the season. We didn't see
yours on the season, so it was I was like, wow,
you know, like Lex really, honestly, you should have spoken
up more. Maybe you could have narrated this whole season
and we could have gotten through it a lot more
faster with complete sentences and thoughts and you know.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
I mean, that's the thing is you never know what's
going to be in the show. I was vocal, but
I think I held back a little because I was like,
what this is, what's going on? Yeah? And I just
wanted to kind of ride it out. I didn't want
to be in the drama because that's not who I like. Yeah,
I don't get involved in that.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
But when it started to affect my time with Peter, yeah,
that's when I was like, Okay, we need to stop this,
yause it just felt like the train was going off
the tracks a little.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
You had a very interesting comment tonight, and I keep
talking about it because it was almost shocking. It was
a beautiful statement, but it was shocking.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
It caught me off guard.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
You said, I know it doesn't seem like it, but
we all love each other.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
When did that love come about?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Because if, for damn sure didn't come in the season,
did it pop off in the group chat?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Did y'all slide in these others?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
DM?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Would the love fest come about?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I guess yes.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
I mean, I'm the oldest of five kids and I
have four sisters, and we fight and we say whatever
we want and we are honest with each other.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
And right after we.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
You know, you can you can hug, and you can
move on. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean
you don't have love for them.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
While we were filming and where we're all at now
is very different place, and we've all learned from that.
And we also, you know, like I wasn't perfect, no
one was perfect. And I think we just have grace
for each other now.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Hindsight's twenty twenty. I think you all are and you
learn so much just you.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
You know, like it's something you can never replicate. It's
a group of women that you know, no one else
in the world will get to know exactly what happened
in the house. We just have a bond because of that. Yeah,
that makes sense PTSD a little, you know, Yeah, experience,
you bond.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
I'm interested in the year from now who all will be.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
Close, because that's always the thing that's really Yes, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Real quick before I let you go, We'll we see
you in paradise or summer games.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
It's a good question. I don't know, would you do
it if you were asked we need more.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
Pay not say no, okay, I mean I'm I'm open
to it. You know. I think I had so much
fun filming. I loved this experience. Yeah, I want to
hear and see more of you. So thanks all right, well,
thank you for being here. Of course, it's so nice
talking to you.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
All right, sitting in the hot seat right now, somebody
I've been so eager to talk to, Miss Sammy.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Welcome to Bachlor Happy houry, Thanks for having me, Thank
you for being here. Now.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
The theme of this is without struggle, there is no progress,
which is a tattoo that you have on you. So
let's talk about the struggle, okay, and hopefully there was
some progress after today, because congratulations for surviving women. Tell all,
I know it was a lot for you. I'm going
to start there and let you talk. How do you

(37:54):
feel something like all of.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Us aired out what we need to air out, and
and I got my point across, whether they wanted to
listen to it or not, and we're ready to move
past this. You know.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I feel like you have that type of personality, like
you can just let things roll off your back.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
You don't really take it to heart.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
I don't take offense too much, really, and I think
it's a waste of energy to just hold a grudge
on something. What I do is I'm gonna let myself
do with it, feel the emotions, and then get over it.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
And move on.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Why do you think that the girls came at you
so harsh?

Speaker 5 (38:28):
I think because I am a very strong personality and
the loudest one in the room, and with that comes
with controversy and people are going to disagree with that,
and that's okay, And honestly, I'm glad I started a
conversation because I'm here to challenge people. You know, it's
gonna be uncomfortable, and I'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Do you feel like you apologize to people tonight?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Because I feel like some people came in expecting an
apology from you from either what they saw or what
they heard or I.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Don't know what went down in the group chat whatever.

Speaker 12 (38:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I between me and Kelsey, we know this, Okay.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
I'm not here to say face and apologize, just to apologize,
like we've already talked about it and it's between me
and her and it's been resolved.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Okay, So I'll go off of that.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Were you frustrated rehashing a conversation that apparently you guys
already had off camera.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Absolutely, and again I think it needs to be said
on camera and relived again.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
And it does suck for both parties.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
You know, we don't like to come at each other
that way. I do respect these girls, and I think
the reason that why we all bought heads is because
we're all very dominant, passionate people.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Do you have any regrets this season?

Speaker 5 (39:38):
I don't really have any regrets. I mean, I tried
my best. What you see is kind of what you get.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
And I'm not no matter what I think.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
It looks villainous because I am the loudest person in
the room and I started an argument, but I could
have farted and he if he canceled the part cocktail party,
people would have blamed me for farting. You know.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's just like because that was the person to blame
at the time.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Well, I talked to Shean and she had nothing but
positive things to say about you.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Andy said, you're no very y'all are very close. Yeah,
we are very close. I love that girl to death.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But what were you saying.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Anyone who knows you, Anyone who knows me knows that
I'm not a malicious person, you know. I mean, even
ask McKenna and Kelsey think they'll say as well, I'm
not a nasty human being. We are going to disagree
with things, but that's the beauty of friendships. Like I'm
not going to agree with everything just because you're my friend.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Well, Lexi Cosetta.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
She said, you guys all love each other absolutely, and
I think we were shocked, but we saw it in
a moment when we had that very serious conversation where
we were talking about being bullied and spewing hate, and
you guys ran to each other and came to each other.
And I was really really happy when you spoke. I
wanted to hear from you because I saw the posts

(40:48):
that you talked about about growing up and how you felt,
and even something you said when you.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Were we talked about on the podcast when.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
You were going home in the car and you talked
about he wanted a trophy wife, And it rocked me,
Tammy when you said that, because I felt you, and
in that moment, I felt like you've been misunderstood all season,
and I just like, really want to give you an
opportunity to talk about that, and I also want to
know how this conversation, if it all, has helped you.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I am actually so happy.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
I wasn't expecting this, and I'm so happy that you
came on here and talked about it, because I think
for too long people were getting away with these nasty
comments and it's a hate crime and it's not Okay
for people to hide behind the screen and say these
things who don't even know me or know us, Like,
they say nastier things to us than we would ever say.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
To each other.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
You said that that was a really powerful point.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Absolutely, and that just says more about like, yeah, we
are going to disagree, but I would I would never
come at someone's character. I would never come at someone's
like race or how they look. I think that when
I did say this trophy wife comment, like yeah, throughout
my entire life, I grew up in a very Caucasian community.

(42:02):
I wanted to be this all American girl so badly. Yeah,
and I could never be that. And because I can't
change it, I'm as Asian as it gets. Okay, Like
you're beautiful, Thank you you guys. She's literally shining. I
don't know how they let her wear this shirt on stage.
It looks stunning.

Speaker 13 (42:18):
Production, it looks stunning, but it is against the dress code.
I was blinding myself with this top. But you like,
you're beautiful, And we said that on the podcast. I do,
and I like, And it took a long time for
me to get there.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Like again, like I wanted to buy all the clothes
that these girls had and.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Be who these girls were.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
And I think for a long time I envied I
wanted to be blonde hair, blood so badly, like I
would cry my eyes out to my mom.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
She's like, speinheart, you're Asian. There's nothing you can do.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
But I think that what you said is so powerful,
and even the social media posts that you had, because
you are representing yeah someone and it's like I can
speak about being an African American woman, but I can't
speak to what you went through and your struggles. And
I hope that even though we had that conversation, that
you knew that you're not alone.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
And I hope it empowers you to represent yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
And I hope that I wish I heard this when
I was struggling with the racial thing when I was
a kid, because there is people like me out there
who are going through the same thing. And it sucks
when you feel so isolated and alone in the sea
of people, because no one else is going to be
able to understand unless they have experienced what you and

(43:32):
I have experienced.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Right, But you're not alone. I know. I know that.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I feel like what you said was so powerful, Like
you know, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Who the next Bacheorette's going to be. If you were asked,
would you do it?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
I mean, of course I would love the opportunity to
because I think people just see this one side of
me and they they judged me on one minute of
time that they think is defining who I am as
a person. But did they forget like throughout the entire season,
like I was never that.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, I'm not a villain. I'm not a mean person.
I have a lot of.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
Composure to me and I have a lot of stories
to tell, and I think that I would love the
opportunity to become bachelorette. Well, I would love for the
opportunity for you to redeem yourself.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
So whether it's Bacherette Paradise, Summer Games, redemption for Tammy.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Yeah, the redemption not even like where I have to
like change who I am, but like the fact that
people need to see the full three sixty of me
before they can chest judgment.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
You know, honestly they can on other shows. So right, Well,
I'm happy that you were able to speak to us today.
Thank you, and they for me to hear your voice
and see another side of you. I know I have
on Women Tell Law and then just sitting here with
you today. So thank you.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Thank you for bringing the awareness because it was it
was really bad.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
It was, it truly was. Thank you for being so vulnerable.
Absolutely all right, thank you.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Last, but not least, we have Victoria Pee on Bachelor Happy.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Hour in the house. In the house, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (44:59):
You survived? Women Tell All. You see here's the thing.
You were quiet.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
At first, I.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Thought, you know, we're not really hearing a lot from
Victoria p. And then Chris said, alayah and Victoria pe
and then it was bam, it was all on you.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
So how do you feel? Bam?

Speaker 14 (45:14):
You know, I don't like conflict and I don't like confrontation,
but I'm learning to work through it and learning to
grow through it and to confront it. Had on and
I tried my best to do about tonight, and I
think that in that I was, you know, I did
better at communicating than what I did before, and that
I uh, I think I squashed a little bit of it.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
So anyway, like like Savannah had it in for you,
and I talked to Aliyah and Aliah said, y'all have
mutual respect for each other and It's kind of like
a very mature situation, which I think is great because
we don't always see that, or we didn't see that
this season in viewers. So it's nice to hear that
you guys have reconciled and you're letting bygones be bygones.
Savannah still has an.

Speaker 10 (45:51):
End for you, but not everyone.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Not everyone likes you, right, But she said you talk
in circles, So I feel like I want to give
you the opportunity to explain You're like, just like, be
very matter of fact about what it is.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
So I'm going to ask you very direct questions.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Go ahead, I'm ready for because I'm I'm ready for it.
Did you guys know each other more than three hours?

Speaker 8 (46:09):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Did you have fun in Vegas?

Speaker 8 (46:11):
I had fun in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Where'd you stay?

Speaker 10 (46:13):
I stayed at Shit.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Where do we stay?

Speaker 10 (46:16):
Treasure Island?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Right, Treasure Island. Did you room together?

Speaker 8 (46:19):
No? Okay?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Two separate rooms? Is there picture evidence? There's picture evidence?

Speaker 8 (46:24):
Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (46:25):
No.

Speaker 14 (46:26):
Shame and the fact that I knew her I had
verbalized out to hear that we knew one another. I
as far as being friends, I couldn't tell you her
favorite color, what her.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Mom's name is Yeah, you were car.

Speaker 10 (46:36):
She drives where she went to school, what she does
for a living.

Speaker 14 (46:38):
I mean, honestly, I know we weren't close.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
This is what I'll equate it to.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
You.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Guys are all close right now, but a year from now,
you're not going to be the same. Yeah it's sad,
but we won't be on the same level that you
were before. So it's like we all went through this
experience like a pageant. I know her, I've been around her,
but I'm not close with her.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
She's not one of my closest friends. See how we
cleared that up and just like that, Yeah, well what's
next for you? What are you doing right now?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
So?

Speaker 14 (47:02):
I work full time as a nurse. I've been a
nurse for the last four and a half five years,
so still doing that. I don't think that reality TV,
but I have a future of Matt.

Speaker 10 (47:09):
I can't see myself. I can't see myself doing that in.

Speaker 14 (47:13):
The future, but I hope that that love is somewhere
in between.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, that is the most honest thing I think that
anybody has said. So thank you for that on this podcast,
because you don't see people come from the show and
say you know what, I don't think it's there's a
future in it for me. So you wouldn't do Paradise,
you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Do Summer Games.

Speaker 10 (47:31):
I'm just saying that I wouldn't.

Speaker 14 (47:32):
So my mom nominde me for the Bachelor in the
first place, So I'm like, hey mom, Yeah, hey mom.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (47:38):
Anyway, but yeah, so Sindy nominated me, and this is
just this' has been a great experience in learning experience.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
But yeah, I don't I don't know it's next.

Speaker 14 (47:47):
But I will say I'm not I don't know it's next,
but I don't know if I will do.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
You got to think about it. You'll think about about it.
You're going to weigh out your options. Do you have
any regrets then from the season, You.

Speaker 14 (47:59):
Know, I I wish that and there were times that
I wish I'd been more direct like you and I
I wish I had been better at communicating. But I'm
learning how to communicate better. I am an empathetic person,
and I think it's part of my nature and who
I am as a human being, and it's part of
my profession obviously, and just the way that I grew
up to just kind of like brush it off and

(48:19):
give someone kind to seeing grace.

Speaker 10 (48:21):
And kind of take a hit in that.

Speaker 14 (48:23):
And I'm learning that it's okay to stand up for
myself and it's okay to have healthy confrontation and conflict
and to work through that.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
And I think it's okay to say I made a mistake.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, I own it.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah I didn't handle it the best. Actually can say
that coming from this opportunity.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, and I did it.

Speaker 14 (48:40):
There were many things that I'm like, oh man, I
really could have handled that different. And I've beat myself
up about it, and I've gotten hate mail because of it,
and I've really but it's been challenging for me, but
it's also been a growing experience and.

Speaker 10 (48:51):
A learning experience through that. I know a lay before this.

Speaker 14 (48:56):
Yeah, I never denied that where we friends, know, I
say we were more acquaintances, but I should have clarified
more and I should have communicated more with her.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
In your defense, Peter doesn't always ask the most direct questions.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So that's why I was like, you know what, We're
just gonna go right to it while we got half
the way.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
So and so like everybody knows that there's no more
questions about it, it is what it is. They moved on,
so you guys need to move on as.

Speaker 14 (49:20):
Well, and absolutely, and I think I will say everyone
move on, and I hope that everyone treats Aliah with
kindness and respect and love and generosity regardless. There's no
side to choose as far as I'm concerned, and I.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Think we're there.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, And you know what's been great, Like women women
till all started off real high, like on a level
three hundred and five, and things just.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Kind of like died down a bit, and then you saw.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
That there was thise camaraderie between you guys, and I
think that that was special because as a viewer, we
saw none of that, and so I think you guys
all was just like.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
You know what, Hindsight's twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
We made some mistakes, but we all went through a
shared experience, and you're going to hold on to that.

Speaker 14 (50:03):
We are all different and we all have our differences,
but we can all see it immunity and hand in
hand say that we are that we stand together against
tate and against a better future and can.

Speaker 10 (50:18):
Buy gunsiban guns.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
You know, I don't even want to ask you another question.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
That was beautiful the way you just ended that I
was going to ask you about the season, but it's like,
you know what, Yeah, Like, let's just be better.

Speaker 14 (50:27):
Yeah, Cush think that we can always see better and
there's always room for growth. And like I said, this
has challenged me to be better. And I don't know
it's ahead, but I know that this has challenged me
to be a better Victoria Pee, and I'm going to
be a better human being, a better spouse, and a
better friend and uh because of all this.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
So thank you for sharing that, and thank you for
coming on the podcast.

Speaker 10 (50:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Now, I lie to you guys, and I don't do
this often, but when I do, it's for a good reason.
I told you my final guest was Victoria, but it's
actually mister Webber Peter.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Welcome again.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
So that's how happy are You're becoming a regular?

Speaker 8 (51:00):
Yeah, what's going on here? Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Can we have an honest talk?

Speaker 8 (51:03):
I would love that.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I'm upset why because I was rooting for you.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
We were all rooting for you. But this is why.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
I remember when we talked and I was like, man, Peter,
out of anybody, who's who since I've been watching, I
want you to find your happiness and.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
To find love.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
And this season has been frustrating for me to watch,
so I can only imagine what it was like for
you to be in it, and I guess I just
like am frustrated. I'm fortuted for you. That's why I'm
saying I'm upset because you know, at this point, I
have no idea what decision that you made. And Chris
Tonight said, you don't even know what the decision is,

(51:44):
which I as a lawyer and being logical, I'm like, okay,
so that means maybe this is this, this is this,
and we can't figure it out. But watching this last
episode and you being so honest and forthcoming about how
you feel about who you are, it was very frustrating
for me to watch you put all yourself out there

(52:05):
and then to get this tidbit of information at the
very end, and I'm very curious as to how you
felt about it. Are you talking about with Victoria, talking
about with Madison?

Speaker 8 (52:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Okay, so maybe I should like, I guess I'm more
so saying you have been very upfront and honest about
like what you're going through and how you feel, maybe
even to a fault. But that's like the beauty of you.
It's a gift and a curse. And for you to
get this information at the very end, which I feel
like doesn't allow you to fully have the right mindset

(52:41):
as you're going into week nine, which is insanely important,
and just to set the stage for everybody. Week nine
is important. Not because it's fantasy sweet week, and that's
what it's titled, entitled titled, it's that it's the time
that you get off camera to really get to know
somebody with no one else around. It is precious, precious time,

(53:04):
and your mind is all over the place for multiple reasons,
and you're trying to be sensitive to how everyone else
is feeling. But at the same time, you need to
kind of know everything, and you didn't until the very
last second. So I'm really curious to know how you
felt in that moment when you got that information that
maybe you could have gotten I don't know week one.

Speaker 12 (53:26):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know realistically if that's a
week one type of conversation, but yes, in a perfect world,
I definitely would have. I wish I could have known that,
Siner on no doubt, because that made that week the
hardest week in my life and.

Speaker 8 (53:41):
That was not easy at all. But I will say, like.

Speaker 12 (53:44):
I I told all of the women from the very
first night to I remember that the toast, I said,
be real with me, share whatever is on your heart.
I don't care if you think I'm gonna like it
or not. Just I need to know that and you
need to be able to express that to me. That's
all that Madison was doing in that moment. Yes, I
would have loved for her to have done it way sooner.

(54:04):
I would have, but I can't fault her, and if
I do, I'm only a hypocrite of her sharing what
was on her heart, and she did it in the
most There was no easy way for her to do that. Man,
I remember that conversation like it was yesterday. It was
tough for her and she was struggling, and she didn't
want it to come off like she was telling me
what I had to do. But she was simply telling
me where would put her if I made certain decisions,

(54:25):
and that I have to respect.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
And I can't follow her for.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
You talked about her when she shared that information with
you about the ultimatum. I don't want to say ultimatum,
but you didn't feel like she was giving you an ultimatum.
But she was sharing what was on her heart in
that moment in the hangar when it was down to
the final three. Do you ask yourself the question, why
didn't she also share that she was saving herself for
marriage in that moment?

Speaker 8 (54:49):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know why she didn't decide to
share that with me. I truly do.

Speaker 12 (54:54):
Whether it's right or not, I feel like maybe that
would have that would have meant.

Speaker 8 (54:59):
Something to me.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I actually agree with you that information. I like when
we talk about it on the podcast. I make the
argument that I think that that information was vital to
you to know what decisions you were going to make
going into that week.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 12 (55:13):
And I obviously her and I we have different viewpoints
on that, and that's fine, you know, we don't have
to be like in every single regard. But yeah, I
wish she would have expressed that to me there, and
I think I would have had a little bit more
gravity there.

Speaker 8 (55:26):
And but what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
She didn't so tell me audience, Well, Peter, now, I
have personally asked to be placed next to Barb at
the finale. I thought she was going to be here
at Women tell all she was not.

Speaker 12 (55:42):
Yeah, a couple of honeybearers back in the day.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, so what happens? Am I going to be mad?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I'm I'm upset because I want whatever happens. I'm like passionate,
So it's not an upset like I'm angry.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I like you, you know, and I.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Wanted to work for you and I want you to
be I mean, you can be happy even if you
choose yourself at the end of this. But I just
like when I see what's happening towards the end, I
entitled our He's thing entitled I titled our podcast for
last week? Can Peter Ketch a break? It was the subtitle,
can we just give him one week?

Speaker 12 (56:17):
All the answer is no answers Peter's and I say,
I mean, I've said it a million times.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
Things happen till the last second, and.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Apparently they still are.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
We'll see about that. But yeah, it was just very
difficult for me in a lot of ways.

Speaker 12 (56:31):
And yeah, the whole stuff with the fantasy suitet week,
and that's just that set the tone for a lot
of stuff.

Speaker 8 (56:35):
It was. It was super tough.

Speaker 12 (56:37):
But I really can't say, like right now, where I'm
at I am happy and I am in a good spot.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
And so I'm not going to be mad at the finale?
Is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Am I going to be mad at this point?

Speaker 12 (56:45):
Everyone has so many opinions and you can't please everyone,
is what I'm learning.

Speaker 8 (56:48):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
But we're talking about me. We're worried about me.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
Okay, it exists here, big sis.

Speaker 9 (56:54):
You know.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
I think I can.

Speaker 12 (56:56):
I can sense you know, some overprotective tendencies here, which
I appreciate, and that so thank you because I know
you want the best for me, and I'm in a
good spot, so I think Okay, I think that'll be good.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I can I can hold on to that. Okay, that'll
get me through till the finale. Yeah, come see, you're
gonna come see me though after that though.

Speaker 8 (57:14):
Okay, well, and you're not.

Speaker 12 (57:15):
What I will say is you're not going to like
you're not getting mad about me not falling my heart
and doing what I needed to do.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
For sure, No, I won't. I won't be mad at
you for following your heart. But well, yeah, well we'll
put a pin in it there now. What I will
say about tonight though, what was really refreshing.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Was how nice the women wore. But were you shocked?

Speaker 8 (57:33):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (57:33):
I was, why because I mean I had never been
in a room with that many x's until then I
walk out, and I had a lot of nerves coming
into I just didn't know how they'd kind of received me.
You know, it's always weird when you end a relationship
and that's the first time you see them. But no,
I felt the love like crazy from them and just
really sweet, kind words of encouragement. That was really special
and beautiful to me. And I thought that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I'll say it was awesome too because the women we
just know did really get along and there seemed to
be so much cattiness.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
But they all could agree you were.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
The common denominator of what was good about the season
for them, So I thought that that was special. Like
people can call you indecisive, I've said it myself, but
at the end of the day, whatever you did with them,
because of the way they reacted tonight, you did it right.

Speaker 12 (58:19):
Yeah, and that was Yeah, that means a lot. Those
words mean a lot. I truly try my best to
really as much as I could give each relationship my
full attention. When I was with those women, and you know,
seeing that they kind of they saw that as well
and expressed that to me, that meant a lot, and
I could feel good about that.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Well, I really want to keep asking you questions, but
you're not giving me what I want because I want
you to tell me how it is.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
That all you want, And I just really thought we
were on a different level. Peter. You know, I've been
invited to come over to the family dinner.

Speaker 8 (58:47):
I run a podcast. I don't ask me if we're
on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
No, nobody's here. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
No, but you do seem happy, and I you know,
I always wish the best for you, and I guess
I'll just have to wait till next week like everybody else.

Speaker 12 (59:01):
It's okay, it's this truly might be the first kind
of unspoiled in a while, so you know what it
already is. Well, I hope, I hope they enjoy it,
and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of opinions, just
like the rest of this journey. But it's something that
I'll always remember and very grateful for.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Well, at the end of the day, I know you
will handle it well like you always do.

Speaker 8 (59:18):
Thank you. All right, big thanks for being here.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Thank you well, you guys, that was women. Tell all,
we brought you some great guests, more guests than I
even thought that we're going to come through here, and
people were actually excited. I guess they haven't been listening
to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
No, but everything was great. It was all love.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I really enjoyed having great conversation with the women. I
loved getting some insight from Peter. And I mean, next week,
you guys, is the finale. I have no idea what's
going to happen. I know it's going to be good.
I know you better tune in and come back here.
I have no idea who's going to be sitting in
the hot seat, but that's because we don't know how
it ends. So stay tuned. Thank you for joining, and

(59:58):
I feel like I should say you're well welcome, and
don't forget. You can subscribe to our podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
or wherever you're listening to this right now.