April 18, 2023 • 54 mins
It’s our final week of Spring Break, and we’re reliving some of our biggest “Bachelor Happy Hour” podcasts ever. This week, we’re going back to our most-downloaded episode of all time with Hannah Ann Sluss right after her breakup from Bachelor Peter Weber. After the shocking finale, Hannah Ann spoke only to “Bachelor Happy Hour” about her engagement and subsequent breakup with Peter. She revealed when things started to unravel and what she thought about Barb’s reaction to Madison at the finale.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Happy Hour listeners. I hope you enjoyed these throwback
episodes of Happy Hour. We'll be back with new episodes
very soon.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I don't even know where to start with this one,
so first of all, I just have to announce that
we are coming to you live from backstage at.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
After the final rows. I mean, how do we.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sum this up into one word? Becka, I mean, barbs
what I've been saying, But I'm a speechless you guys,
we have so much to get into, so much to
talk about, Bacher Nation, Bacher Happy Hour listeners.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I know you were upset that we didn't have.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
A podcast yesterday, but my god, was it not worth
the wait? Were we not all waiting for what was
going to happen tonight? We have a special guest with
us in the studio today. But first I just have
to say that I'm so happy that I am not
doing this alone like I had to at Women's tell All,
I have my wonderful co host with me Becca Koper
is in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Back.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm back.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I am here off the road, taking a break from
the tour for a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And Rachel, as you said, I mean, obviously we.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Could have I've had a podcast today, but there was
so much that was left inside that we had to
see go down. So now you're getting the full gist
of everything that we saw in the past two days,
which I mean, this entire season was a crazy wild ride,
and this evening just really I think summed everything that
we've seen in the past ten weeks up in one night.
And my mind is I mean, I feel like I'm
(01:21):
kind of shaking right now. My mind is still a
little bit blown.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, And I think what's so great is, I'll be honest,
we didn't get a lot of answers tonight. I feel
like we heard a lot of talking, and there was
a lot of talking in circles except for one person
who I'm so thankful we get to talk to tonight. A
lot of circular talking. And I think that what's going
to be so great about our podcast tonight is that
we're going to unravel exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We're going to get down to it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We're going to ask the hard questions that weren't asked
on stage, and we're going to make sure we get
those answers.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That we know Bacher Nation needs.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So we're going to talk to some people tonight, but
I am so excited that we are talking wit.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Let me give you a drumm roll. We need a
drum roll for the person.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Only one person one tonight, and that person is Hannah Ann.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Hannah Ann, welcome to Ba's for Happy Hour.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Thank you guys having me.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well we I mean I needed personally first say, when
I first met you five seconds ago, you often and
I was hugging you, and I felt like I wanted
to just take you under my wing because throughout this
entire journey that I've had for years, there's probably only
one other person who has now experienced things like I
have experienced, and that is you. And let me first
(02:41):
start by saying, yes, we're so excited to have you.
We can't wait to dive in and get your side
of everything.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But the way you handle things when.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Peter ended things and even tonight on stage, it was
with so much grace and dignity. But I looked up
to you in a way you said the things that
you had to say, and when I was in your position,
I was so I think blinded and nervous and anxious
and feeling like so constricted that it was finally nice
to see a badass woman stand up there and say
(03:10):
what she needed to say to put Peter in his place.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And as Rachel said, I really do feel like.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
You are the winner of tonight because you handled it
with so much dignity.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I'm so happy that you're here.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And I think I speak on behalf of all of
veterination when I say our hearts broke for you. I
mean we were watching backstage and I truly felt how
I felt years ago, and so thank you for being here.
Thank you for putting your heart and everything, your love
life on the line. You know, it's a weird it's
a weird world when it's for other people's entertainment, but
(03:42):
you handled everything beautifully, and I keep saying with so
much grace, but thank you.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I was thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And I like the whole time that we were watching
what happened tonight, Becca and I just.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Kept like chatting like two little girls.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And Becca kept saying that she understood you and what
you went through. And I know that we're gonna, you know,
dive into that even further into the podcast. But this
is the first podcast that you've done, as you said,
so thank you so much for doing our podcast first
and you.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Can stop after that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Because no one has talked to you, and then the
first time we really heard you speak, I really want
to get start from the beginning because we saw you
one way and then we do not. It's one of
the things that we did not get the answer to,
even with you talking and standing up for yourself, we
did not understand how it got to where it did,
and we're so help hoping to get those answers tonight.
So I really want to get into it because I
(04:35):
feel like you have been unfairly judged, and I'll even
say that I did it as well.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I first time we talked to Peter and I saw
you still him so many times. I compared you to
Luke p I was like, is she a little bit
Luke peish?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And he said, no, she's not, and he was like
really defensive.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I was like, Okay, we got it. She's going
some places.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No. But I feel like one one theme in y'all
season is that there was a lack of communication and
people weren't really communicating their feelings and their thoughts, and
you got a lot of heat for it as well,
But tonight you put all that to rest. So let's
kind of start from the beginning with you know, you
getting the first impression Rows and how that night went down,
(05:23):
and so I guess one, did you think you were
going to get it? And did you feel like you
had a target on your back? And this is pre
Champagne gay, Let's just not well yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Yeah, So the first night, you know, getting the first impression,
I you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Of girls around, and I wanted you.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Know, I was excited to see Peter.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
You know, we film all night long, hours and hours
and hours, so the times that I would go up
and see him again hours had passed.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I'm like, of course I want to go see him again.
If I get the opportunity, I want to go speak
with him again.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
I mean, I've been waiting to like speak with him,
and I'm here for purpose. My words have a purpose
and meaning behind them, and I I was excited to
get to know him. Plus, if I'm taking the time
to start this journey, I want to be sure if
we even have a connection. You know, I enjoyed spending
time with the other girls, but at the forefront of
(06:16):
my mind was always going to be Peter and seeing
if we had that connection, and if I didn't ever
feel that, I would have parted ways.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You know, weren't you worried about being that girl, that
girl who's going to be the one stealing him because
you didn't know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You were going to get the first impression of usk? Yeah,
So does that not cross your mind at all?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Because I know at one point you said, I'm not
typically like this, but we couldn't tell.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Right right, And I think in the beginning I came
off completely like the wrong way, and looking back on
and I'm like, oh my goodness, like that was not
what I wanted to come across as. But I was
just focused on me and Peter and tried to keep
that at the forefront of my mind at all times,
and enjoyed the entire process, even if meant, you know,
(07:00):
spending time with the girls. But at the end of
the day, when I was there Peter and Peter only
and trying to figure out and give our give us
the best shot.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Well, and I will say because we did sit down
with Peter at the very beginning and I asked him,
I was like, did you like that that haim An
stole you so many times?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And he did. He was all for it.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, he said he was wanting to talk to me
more that night.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yea, okay, so he liked it. So clearly it was
reciprocated on both ends.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It wasn't like he was like, who's this crazy girl
who keeps stealing me?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I know it might seem like I was pressing myself
on him, but he was telling me he wanted to
talk to me more that night, you know, and opportunities
were presented to me to talk to him. And it's
been a couple of hours. I'm like, sure, Yeah, he
told me to talk to him again, so I'm like,
I'm going to So feelings were, you know, on both
sides wanting to communicate and talk more.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, it were. It did, It clearly did. And then
we go on to I mean fast forward a little bit.
This whole champagne gait.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Which was champagne was such a common theme. I feel
like throughout what was your take? Because when we recapped
that week, I was saying, you know, there's clearly the
show does certain things. They set up certain things to
you know, stir the pot and to cause that drama.
And I really truly was like, I don't think han
Ann knew that that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
One was Kelsey's. I think she just saw it was
a cute set.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Up for her and Peter, So we didn't think you
did it maliciously. But what was your take when that
all went down?
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Oh my goodness, when all that went down, I wastely
blindsided by it and I.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Didn't know how to handle it.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
And you know, in the end, me and Kelsey were
able to like, you know, put aside our differences and
become friends because we were like, hey, we have like,
you know, a couple more weeks with each other, hopefully,
like we have to pull you know, we have to
put this bull crap aside.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
And like learn to you know, be friends or at
least live like in the same house together.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
So when all that went down, I was like, oh crap,
Like I've never had that conflict like this, Like how
do I handle this? So like I was just trying
to be as logical as possible and just be like, hey,
I didn't steal your champagne, and like that came across
maybe to some people as like cold hearted, but I
was just trying to like be as straightforward and concise
as possible and not let the emotions get to me.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And it did.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Upset me.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I remember that night.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
I cried all night long, and I remember some of
the girls in the house were like, you know, they
can't ant like people like like the other girls need
to see the side of you, Like they need to
see that you're.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Upset and see that you didn't mean that.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
But in the moment, I was just trying to be
as clear as possible with her, so she knew that
my point got across.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I did not steal your champagne. That's where you know I'm.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Not just champagne, because I was just trying to like,
you know, we'll let her know that.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And I get it. I mean I never was in
a sorority. I mean, I have a big group of girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But when you're.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Living with twenty plus people from all across the country,
people that you don't know, you don't know how they interact,
how they process things, it's a really scary thing. And
I and I think you handled it well. I will say,
I mean I would have probably done the same. I
would have been like, look, I can't feel this fire
so much. I'll say what I have to sail confronted.
Hopefully it dies. But it's a really people I don't
(10:03):
think realize how scary that first week is, Like it's
all aknown so you have no idea what to expect
with the lead, with the production aspect, with living with
so many people, and so it's it's unturned territory that
no one, no one should actually know how to handle that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Right, right.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
And me and Kelsey didn't know each other at that point,
so we didn't kind of know, you know, how we
both you know, how we both respond to situations are
very different.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
But what I know now about her and what she
knows now about.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Me, it would have been completely different.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I mean that was like day five based yea, so
we didn't know each other at all, which would have changed,
you know, both of our responses to the situation.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think what was hard for people to handle is
you were so cool, calm and collected.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
In your response.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And I remember saying, I was like, I probably would
have responded the same way that it came across as nonchalant, right, And.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I was like, I think that it's being misunderstood because
I got it. I was like, kudos to her. It's like,
I don't even think I could have handled it that well.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think the one thing was that I think you
said it was bullying her, and I think it's a
word that we throw out around too often.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
She definitely cursed you out, which was wrong. She was
wrong and how she handled.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It for sure, But I think the way you handled it,
I didn't think you needed to cry and match her
emotion in that. I thought that the way that you
handled it kind of diffuse the situation and it didn't
create a Fanasco.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Can talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Masco, Yes she is, and what happened.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
This whole season has been a Fanasco and that is
my cap on the whole entire season.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I was actually gonna do you know the right word? Right?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Yeah, fanasco.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Can't you say the right word fiasco?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Fiasco?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I was trying to give you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I was trying to give you a chance.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
You know what I like to say, fanasco.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But for the record, you do know it's fiasco.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yes, but you should trademark fanasco.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I should.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
It's just like, and you know what's so funny is
that in the moment I said that, and I had
no idea that I even like misspoke, Like I had
no idea and like that'sn't even like a word that
I had used in the bath, So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I had no idea where that came from.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Look, your brain was shumbled that first week.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
A lot went down. I would have been making them.
I do still make up my own words, So I
don't blame you for that. So we go on.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, of course we see you form friendships like you
and Kelsey seem.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Yeah, she's a really sweet girl, you guys. She doesn't
have a mean bone in her body.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
She's very very just had to get past the champagne.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Women.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Tell she was cool.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I didn't steal your champagne. After that, she became like.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
A really great friend, honestly, and you're still friends. Yeah,
we are, all right, she's a really nice person.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So let's jump. Let's just just move on. Well, you
know you got roses.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We were We knew you were a front runner, you know,
after you won the modeling thing, which totally should have
or how are those is that revolved that you're wearing?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Are the Revolt clothes working for?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Does not to point that out?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Like a girl's dream, right, like, just to be able
to get twenty five twenty four thousand dollars worth whatever
it was worth.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Of clothes the closet No, it is not, and it should.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's a good problem to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So I want to just just get right to Fantasy
Suites because you have a meme that's going around where
you're looking and I wish you guys.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You guys know that's what happy our listeners.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know what I'm talking about, where you're like, it's
the best meme ever with the brown and the squinty
guys like, say what now, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
What the face is.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So we learn in the Fantasy suite. We all know
what goes down to Fantasy Suite. Nobody, whether you've watched
Bouts or or not, you know what Fantasy Suite is about.
And in this Fantasy this week, you guys all stay together, right,
which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But you learn about Madison. You learn her thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
About Fantasy sueet week, which at that point she had
shared with you, but she hadn't shared with Peter himself, right,
And then it became this.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Whole ultimatum thing. Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Was it not?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I'm asking you? Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
You know, for me, me and Madison are just two
different people and we make different decisions, and I felt
completely uncomfortable that entire weekend that I even knew, you.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Know, the conversations that she was wanting to have with Peter.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I was just wanting to focus on me and him
and not let anything.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Distract me from that.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So thinking that it's an ultimatum between Madison and Peter,
not necessarily because I.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Think Madison was doing what was best for her, But that's.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Not an ultimate that's not the definition of an.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Ultimatum is like if you do this, then this, Yes,
It's like, doesn't matter your motive behind because it's not
wrong to believe what you believe and to feel that.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
No, but nobody's a judged her for that. I never
judged her for that. Was I taken back by it?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yes, because I didn't want to be involved in it.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
I don't want to have these conversations with anyone, you know,
about them and Peter. I was focused on me, and
so when she was telling me, you know, she felt
like he couldn't do certain things for her to move
forward with him, I was just kind of like gave
her a look of a what were.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You close with her in the house?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah, we I was, Yeah, I was close with her.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I wanted to know did she talk because we didn't
see her bring up this conversation with Peter until the
very end, the very end.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And was this something because I feel like when I
was on ra season.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
With all the girls, we talked about a lot, like
everything was out in the open.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
There wasn't many secrets between us.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So was this something that was brought up in the
in the house with all of the girls beforehand, or
was that the first time you were hearing about it too?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I think when we sat down, we you know, had
to have that conversation about her telling Peter her standards
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You know, I gave that look because I was kind
of taken back by it.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So you hadn't heard it before?
Speaker 7 (15:51):
No, I was thinking in my I knew, you know,
she had certain lifestyle values and I knew that they
didn't line up with Peter's.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
But I was thinking that they might have had that
conversation weeks before and its prior.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
But my face is kind of like, oh gosh, I
don't want to get involved in this, like you know
you do you know, for me, I was never intending
to give Peter a hall pass of you do whatever
you want. My intention was I see the big picture
and me and you truly begin after all this is
over after when it's just me and you, And that
was my intention behind it. I just wanted him to,
(16:28):
you know, focus on him and try to be as
understanding as possible the amount of streuss and pressure he's under.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
And if we meet each other and the end.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Great, that's when we start. Yeah, that's when it's just.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
About me and you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's an uncomfortable week period, no matter what your values are.
It's just uncomfortable knowing while I'm sitting here something else
is going on. Like it it gets to everybody back then,
I have both been there on both sides of it.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I just want to know you went first, and obviously
Victoria and then Madison. Do you think had well a,
had you guys all been removed from each other and
be gone in a different order, would things have changed?
Speaker 7 (17:04):
No, Because I think Peter and Madison hold different lifestyles
or lived. I think Peter Madison lived different lifestyles and
hold different values. And I don't think this is exactly just.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
An issue with the fantasy speek.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
So I think it's lifestyles and how you see life
and how you judge everything out of life.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So it's so interesting that you say that, because, like
Becca was saying, as women in the house, you chitchat
and you talk and you get to know each other
better than you get to know whoever the lead is.
So you're saying, you say you knew that they had
different lifestyles and they were on different pages. As a viewer,
we didn't get that till week seven, and it was
only that we got that they had were different as
(17:46):
far as religion.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We had no idea they had different lifestyles. But obviously
you were privy to that information.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So Madison made a point during Fantasy Sweet Week where
she said to Peter, I've been struggling this entire time,
and I've been having.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
A really hard time. Is that something that you saw
in the house.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah, so we.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Didn't see that, and what and what did you see?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I saw?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
You know, she was struggling with the week and just
knowing that. I think she was coming to the realization
that they live very different lifestyles, which is hard to
kind of comprehend when you're in when you're on the
show and you're not in your lifestyle, you're not on
your day to day basis of your hobbies and like
your schedule and how you live your life.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
So I think that was trying.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I think at that point that was coming very apparent
to her, and I think that that's what she was
struggling with, along with just the stress of fantasy fantasy
see week, which is stressful for anyone.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I do want to get to the whole lifestyle thing
in a bit because it leads me into some questions
like after you and Peter were already together, so can
we fast forward? Yeah, because I want to get to
the juicy, the juicy part everyone. So the last week
you met the family, they fell in love with you.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Madison at the family, it wasn't this, It wasn't the same.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And that you know, I don't want to talk about
Madison too too much because she's not here. I want
to focus on you and your time with Peter.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So you get to that last.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Week and you would absolutely then no idea that Madison
had left early.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Correct, no idea.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So when he told you, because we've seen the proposal,
he's standing there, and we also didn't know if you
were going to show up at first. Yeah, you know,
you're kind of making a sway, So you get to
that moment and he's in the middle of this speech
to you where it should be about you, guys, and
he goes, Madison left two days ago. And in that moment,
I don't know if you guys caught it, but when
he said Madison, his tone switched a little bit and
(19:46):
all he says is is that all he said? I
want to know, was he just like she left a
couple of days ago, and then goes on.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
To all these great things about you.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Yes, yes, it was completely downplayd didn't give me the
courtesy or respect to have a sit down conversation.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Hey, this this is what's been going on this week.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is where my.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Headspace is at. Let's talk this through. Didn't owe me that,
just told me that very quickly and downplayed it, and
then immediately went to but my heart choes is you
and your love of my life. But I don't want
to spend forever with you.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Did you get an inkling that kind of what we
saw happen post engagement was going to happen that night.
Because we never usually see someone say I don't know
if I want to show up right. Usually, when you
get to that point, that person is ready to go
there whether they're going to accept a proposal and they
have no idea. You were struggling before the engagement. Why
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was that because we never really got those answers.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Yeah, my instincts were telling me I wasn't getting all
the information I needed to make a decision with Peter.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And that's intuition.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
That's intuition, and that's instincts.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
And should I have stayed on that bed in Australia, Absolutely,
But I wasn't going to give up on someone that
I loved and he the last words he told me
on our last chance date was that he was going
to make the decision that's best for both of us.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
To trust him.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
And when you're with someone, you know, this is a
wacky situation, but I'm taking it for what it is.
When you're with someone, you trust their word. Yeah, and
that's why I showed up. So I was going to
trust his words and follow through. And in the end,
I think he, you know, took advantage of the fact
that he conveniently left out very important information prior to
me making a commitment with them. And you know, as
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the audience is watching this for the very first time,
I'm just like an average viewer, like, I'm just like
everyone else watching this, like a lot of information was left.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Out, which is why Bauchler happy our listeners. I need
to reiterate this because I was the same way when
I was in your position. This is Hannah Ann's first
time truly watching this all go down. Yes, she lived it,
but there's so many pieces to this entire puzzle that
she missed that she didn't see, and so she.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Was backstage watching it just like we all were watching it.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And so I'm sure in those moments and even now,
there's going to be a lot that you're still processing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Can I ask you a question when you say that
there was a lot you did and see, are you
just talking about what happened post engagement or are you
also talking about what you watched the entire h this
whole journey, like all these weeks, this entire.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Season, entire season entirely explain that really it was Peter
wanted me to stay with him, and he downplayed his
feelings towards Madison completely, and even you know, after our breakup,
he couldn't really own up to it and reached out
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to my parents and said that he you know, basically
that he was struggling processing all of his emotions.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
That's what he left that and it was very vague.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
He speaks half truths, and so while I'm watching this season,
I'm like, oh, okay, that makes a lot more sense,
Like this is why we broke up. Makes a whole
lot more sense because he couldn't really own up to
the fact of how he was truly feeling.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I want to know too.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So after okay, so after you guys did get engaged,
and he was very vague about oh, yeah, Madison left
two days ago, but you guys still ended up together.
You have days when you're together before I'm sure you
flew back to the US, before you know, you got
back to your normal life. Did he in those moments
ever disclose more of why she left? Did you guys
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get into that conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
He always whenever that conversation was brought up, it was
always like this is the past, and always made sure
to reassure me that I was his person, that I
was a loved life, and that he was always going
to choose me. So always kind of went in with
that reassurance to where I'm like, hmm, okay. But as
the season started to roll, things weren't quite adding up, and.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So let's break this down because I'm an evidenced, like logical,
I need to see how things timeline out. Yeah, so
we talked to Peter. So you get engaged somewhere around
a week before Thanksgiving around that time. Yeah, you're together
this whole time. We talked to Peter first week in January.
He tells us he is so happy. We talked to
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his parents. As we can see, Barb cannot control her
emotions and she was happy at that time. So if
it wasn't you, we would have already known.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
She was not okay.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So the season has started, y'all are still together? When
did you have the conversation that we saw happen on
TV TV?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
You know, like I said on stage, the beginning of
January was when he approached me that he needed to
speak with Hannah Brown. Yeah, to know about that, that's
the first red flag.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But start talk about that. He told you he needs
to talk to Hannah Brown.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Yes, he told me he needed to talk to Hannah
Brown because he needed closure?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Did he not get that?
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I was trying to convince me that I should feel
comfortable with that, And I'm like, why did.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
He need closure?
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Why do you we we're engaged, right and just listen.
I wasn't on that group date with him and Hannah Brown.
I had not seen that episode of them all cozy
cozy up in a couch, him crying and.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Her possibly come back in the house.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
I have no idea, like none, And so when he
brought that up, I'm like, wait, what, Like, I know
she came back in the season, but can you explain more?
And that was kind of when the episode was coming out,
and I'm like, why should.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I feel comfortable with this? This is something that I
feel like if you don't.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
You don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment,
let alone an engagement. That was the first red flag
And I was questioning my own self because he was
trying to convince me that that is something that he needed,
and I'm like, I just I don't quite feel.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Settled with that.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So did he get the closure?
Speaker 6 (25:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That was that was pretty close.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I think that was like a week before he broke up.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
So he never reached out to her. He never tried
to contact her or.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Was Hannah Brown code for oh, let me maybe have
conversations with other women aka Madison where he was trying
to open up the door and like test the water
and see how you felt.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I probably, I don't quite know. That was so close
to us breaking up, and then there was that going on,
you know, and then there was the whole Oh the
season started and I have unresolved issues.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm by your side.
I gave you my word to be by your side.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
And his unresolved issues were having to watch back the
show once again.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
He completely downplayed it completely.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
And you know, when I showed up to the breakup,
that was the very first time I heard him say
I can't give you my full heart. And I told
him before I even went out there, I said, hey,
like you're wanting to in things, give me a little
bit of a heads up. I'll be fine, trust me,
I'll cry, you know, just just give me a heads up.
And we actually had talked that morning that.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
We weren't going to break up, that we were going
to work through it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
When was this February the February.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Very end of January, very end of January.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So y'all went all through December, Christmas, cool, just fine.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
You never had any inkling that he was because you
during your breakup you kept saying I know you've been struggling,
and I'm here for you.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That that didn't start till January.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
That did not start till January.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm like, I because one of the one of the
questions we had when we were watching was seeing how
happy he was to go get that ring for you, Nilane.
We were sitting with Nilane watching tonight, and he was
like the man I saw get that ring is not
the man that I see now, like just totally different
he was. He was ecstatic, approsing.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
He was kissing ring, like showed us pictures of the
day of Peter kissing the ring he picked out.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So I think what we're all trying to understand, like
Becca and I, but also just like our listener's maachter Nation,
is what happened. I get the Hannah Brown unresolved. I
don't know what that was. But with the with whatever
he said to you where you started, for you to
say when you were headed to la Hey, if we're
breaking up, let me know what was happening, because that's
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not the first thing I would say.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, I mean, it's just like what he told my
parents even after a breakup, he was having trouble processing
all of his emotions.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Peter does not own up completely to the full.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Truth, just kind of like on our engagement day, he
knew that if he told me the full extent of
where his heart and head was at that entire week,
he knew the outcome would have been different. He knew
that when we sat down had to open an honest conversation,
my instincts would picked up on that he was not.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Ready for a commitment.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I think that's not what he wanted.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I think that Peter that we've seen all season is
he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of he has his
head in the clouds where he I think he hypes
himself up to think he wants certain things, and it's
not until he can take a step back or start
rewatching this season where he sees the things that he
now can't have. And I will say, like when I
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was still with Ari, because we were together for about
a month and a half, had three happy couples together,
like you guys, you know, I knew he had been
startling and he felt guilty for how things went down
with obviously Lauren, and I'm sure the other girls like
that's just a human instinct, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You know. He started watching the season back.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Our season started when we were still together, and he
said he watched our season, our first episode, so the
first date, it's like, oh my gosh, I'm more in
love with you now than I ever was. And then
fast forward to the next week where I wasn't on
that date with him, and he started seeing other things.
And I think it's in that moment where you watch
it back as a man, because I don't think I
got this as a woman, but I'm trying to trying
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to kind of process and put my feet where what
am I trying to say, put my feet in his shoes?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Whatever? Where He started.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Then watching it back and started seeing his first date
with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that he couldn't,
as you said, quite on up to and acknowledge.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Guys are hard human beings to try.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
The thing that I think makes me feel for you
is that we see.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Him get down on one knee. Well did we see
him get down on one knee?
Speaker 5 (30:04):
He did get down on one day.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I think I missed the part.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I think I was so frazzled on it, but you're like,
you know, he he gets engaged to you, he proposes
to you, he promises you all these things without being
fully honest. And for everyone listening, for all the men
out there, if you think that you have to do
a certain thing because it's gonna make us feel better,
don't like be honest with us and give us the
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respect and the courtesy to make our decisions. Maybe had
you known the full extent of everything, who knows what
had happened, you could have very easily said, you know,
I love you, I want to be with you, I
want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't necessarily happen,
but every woman and man who's on the show too
deserves that respect.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
And deserves the truth.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
M hm.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
And so I don't know exactly what happened, I mean,
nothing really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season
has actually been really helpful for me because it's helped
me work through any unresolved feelings that had towards him,
because I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive
and confusing, and who wants to be with that? And
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that doesn't make me feel secure and being with him,
and so It's really helped me move forward because I
know I deserve more than just someone giving, you know,
than someone just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone,
you know, someone who's going to give me a hundred percent.
And I felt like me being so clear and not
playing mind games with him, that he would give me
that return.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But really he was just reckless with my heart.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Well, and he had said all season I want someone
to love me as much as I love them, and.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That was you.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
You gave that to him, You did, you loved him
more of anything, And so I think he didn't. I
think he went into the season thinking one thing, thinking
it was going to be this magical, like beautiful, super easy,
great seemless love story, and that wasn't the case. And
I think he couldn't quite own up to what it
was he truly wants and needs in a partner. All Right,
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Bachelor Happy Hour Listeners Part two with the amazing Hannah Ann.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
We'll be coming up this Friday.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
But you know, we have to get into everything that
happened during the finale. So Rachel, we got to dive
in you and I need to talk back up.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
We need to talk about what we saw. So hannah
An came out.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
She was a boss.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
She killed it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
She said her piece. She put Peter in his place.
He couldn't even defend himself. All he could say was,
you're right. So the second half of the episode we
deal with what happened with Madison. Chris Harrison goes to her.
I'm gonna sum this up real quick, because we just
want to get to the meat of it. Chris Harrison
goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still into Peter,
and she goes out to fly with Peter. We don't
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know the exact timeline. We don't know how much time was.
It seemed like it was very quick. Seemed like she
hopped on a plane and flew out with Chris Harrison
to La. That's how it was presented to us. She
gets to La, Peter has no idea he's going to
see her. They see each other, they say they have this.
They have so much to talk about. Of course, in
true fashion this season, we see them talk about absolutely
nothing other than they have feelings for each other, and
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then it cuts to Peter talking about Madison. We see
Madison come out, We see them sitting there there, seem.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Happy, but they're not touching.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
There seems to still be some space in between them,
and we see them once again kind of dance around
what it is that they are. We still are they
boyfriend girlfriend? We know they're not engaged, We obviously know
they're not married. And one thing we learned for sure
is that Barb and the rest of the family and
apparently the friends as.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, do not approve of their relationships. So Becca, that
sums up what we saw.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Where do we even start to begin about it? I mean,
all of that being said, what was your take when
it came to watching what went down tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Because I didn't expect any of this.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You could read a spoiler an article, have your own
preconceived notions, but you know it was gonna go down
like this.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
No, And the best way I can describe it is
when we first sat down with Peter at the very
beginning of his season, he said he felt like there
was something new and crazy thrown his way every week,
and I feel like that didn't stop even through the finale,
And like, think of everything that went down tonight, people,
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the main craziest part should have been that switcheroo and
the breakup.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
With Hannah Ann and it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It was everything that played out after and Rachel, as
you said, we don't know where Madison and Peter stand.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We don't know what is going on.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
We don't even know if they're in a relationship, if
they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up
a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know
what that means.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But Laurie K Publications just couldn't help herself and posted
a picture of Madison her new client, about how she's
the epitome of a class act. So Madison already has
a manager slash pr person slash agent who couldn't wait
five seconds to post that this is her new client.
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I'm sorry, Becca, I know that you're talking and I'm
so distracted, but it just so goes into something that
we talked about this season when it comes to we
couldn't understand and I really wish we had the opportunity
to talk to Madison, and I really wish we had
the opportunity to talk to.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Peter about.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Why are you here when you're looking for a certain
type of man who has certain values, certain standards, and
there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Wrong with that. You should want what you want for yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
But the confusing part comes in you're looking for him
in a place where usually those type of men don't dwell,
and as we have under as we understand, Peter is
not that type of man for you, which is his
parents and friends concern.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
And in trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Figure out the logical way of what could her possible
motivation and reason be for being here, one of those
is that she wants to experience the platform.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
The Bacheorette, the followers, whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And I just find it very coincidental that she has
hired a manager slash pr person slash agent to represent her,
which we know prior to the season being over with,
because that person posted her on International Women's Day and
the season was still going and now couldn't miss a
beat to let everybody know, Hey, if you want dis
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on Madison, I represent her, which makes me question her
motives this entire time. I'm sorry, well sorry, and I
think Madison fans are going to come after me, but
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
You have to be logical about this situation.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Hannah Ann told us she doesn't even have one, and
this girl's been modeling for years.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah, no, Rachel, you are talking to a real follower here.
Because there are certain timelines that we have to adhere
to as the lead, and getting a representation at that
point doesn't add up. I, for one, don't even have
an agent still, and I've been baucherette, I mean two
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years ago, and I still just do most things myself.
So you know, Rachel, as you just mentioned, you're probably
gonna get a lot of backlash for that. But that's
not the case people. I mean, Rachel's calling it like
it is, and it's a very strange scenario that we
find ourselves in after this whole Bachelor world, but it
doesn't add up. It's very interesting to me given the
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timeline of everything, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
That aside.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I like, my main takeaway from tonight is we watched
last night's episode and we watched Madison send herself home
two days before the finale because, as she said, their
lifestyles and their morals.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Don't line up, they don't match, so she removes herself.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Okay, that's one thing good for her in that moment,
for standing up for what she believes in, what she
thinks is right and logical. Yes, nothing since then has
changed though, besides Peter is still saying he loves her.
You know, guess Chris Harrison flew out to Auburn to
tell her that Peter was engaged and then ended this
engagement because he still loves Madison. But regardless, like their
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lifestyles are still the same, he was still engaged. She
had an issue with him being intimate with women in
the fantasy suite.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Happened during those couple months when he was engaged. He
had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with.
Nothing has changed.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I just don't understand how I understand her feeling. Even
if I don't agree with it, it doesn't mean that
I don't under understand it. I understand the feeling of
how difficult that is to accept a proposal from someone
that you know that just was intimate with other a
woman or other women when we don't know for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So that's fine that that's what you believe in. What
people have been so.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Proud of her and praising her for is that she
has these morals and these convictions and she holds true
to them. Now, you know, as you were saying, Becca,
he got down on one knee and said he wanted
to give his whole heart and spend the rest of
his life with another woman, has spent time, you know,
cultivating that relationship, and then breaks it off and says he, well,
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he didn't tell her he wanted her, but you knew
that he break broke it off. And I think Chris
Harrison said it was because of her, So she did know.
And you're so easily willing to take him back. It's,
you know, the same people who were praising her for that.
How can you still hold true that, Oh she knows
what she wants and she deserves better. But yes, she
goes running back to him. There's just so many contradictions.
It's so confusing that I understand why his family has
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their concerns, which brings us to a whole nother topic.
They had that camera on poor Barb with I don't
even think she knew the whole time.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Oh she did not know.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Oh my gosh. I felt so bad for her.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I mean, I'm a person who cannot control my facial expressions. Becca,
you say you can't control your hands, you don't know
what to do with them, A make sure. I cannot
control my facial expression, so I just wear it all
on my face.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
And this was a this is a mother.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You guys, you may not agree with her, but this
is a mother who is concerned about the well being
and the heart of her son, and she wants somebody
who loves her son unconditionally, and she had that with
Hannah Ann. Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yes, Rachel, as you said, it is a mother and
I am not a mom, but I can only imagine
that protectiveness that mother bar instinct that you have for
a children a child, and we saw that with her
and all she wanted she's been saying this the entire time,
is that she wants somebody to love her son the
same way she fell in love with her husband. And
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she saw that with Hannah Anne. Now one thing that
I'm glad that she brought up. And maybe this is
the moment where she should have been cut off after
she said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison,
when she came in after having this great moment with
Hannah Ann, Madison came in.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
She made them wait for three hours.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
She didn't say sorry, you know, apologies for making you wait.
This is already a long process as it is like
they've been waiting to see their son. They've only seen
them for one day in the span of a couple months,
and so that in itself, I'm sure is frustrating. But
and Barb dis closed this very briefly today to us
and on the TV. But when when she had that
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moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she asked
Madison do you love my son?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And Madison in that moment said no.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
So as a mom, I can only put myself in
that position and say, well, I have one woman here
who is all in, wholeheartedly ready to give herself to
my son, and one who, at this moment in time,
you know he's ready to get engaged tomorrow, is saying no,
I don't love your son.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, of course she's gonna have questions.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Of course she's gonna call that out to Peter and
say maybe she's.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Not the one for you.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
And now, granted, people, I know that there's a lot
that we don't see. You know, we're trying to make
a show in a two hour period once a week.
There's so much that goes down. But going off of
what we know, that is alarming.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, and like, let's break this down. What you said.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
So a lot of times people say to us you're
not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well, you're welcome,
you guys, to bar because she told you what you
didn't see. So just imagine last night. You hear Barb
express her feelings, and you see her crying, and you
see her saying but she's just not into you, She's
not here for you, and you're wondering how in the
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world is she saying that. Then people go on social
media and are all in Barb's comments and they're saying
all these things to her. So Barb feels the need
to defend herself. Okay, whether you agree with her or not,
she felt the need to speak her truth. So what
did she do the first opportunity she was given the
chance to do it?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
She spoke her truth and she explained.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
To you, guys that in three hours, or she waited
three hours for Madison to come speak to her in
Madison did not even want to come in and meet
the parents. How would that make you feel as a
family member, possibly meeting the fiance of your son, the
potential fiance of your son.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
The girl doesn't even want to walk in and meet you.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Then she does come in and meet you, and that's
only because your son begged her to come in. How
do you accept somebody into your family when that's how
you're starting off. Then when she does come inside, she
doesn't even have the courtesy to apologize for the three
hours she kept the family waiting. So you're already setting
this scene and this mood for the family to come
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and talk to you. Then, Barbaraville that when she did
talk to her, as Becca stated, she said love. I
don't love him when asked, and she said she wouldn't
accept a proposal. So of course Barb is crying knowing
that her son is madly in love with a girl
who does not reciprocate those feelings, and that is the
emotion that you're seeing come from Barb. So before you
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judge her and you jump on her, yes, I both
agree she took it just a little too far and
aired a little.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Too much information.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
But in that moment, in what she said, that she
is giving you the background that you guys so desperately
beg for, and you're still holding it against her because
we've seen social media today and you guys are ripping Barb.
That is what I just like, don't think it's fair
and I don't understand how when she said that and
she put it back, the ball back in Madison and Pete's,
(44:27):
Pete's Peter's court.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
What was Madison's response? Nothing.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
She never addressed what Barb said. She never addressed saying
she wasn't in love with Peter. She never address saying
she wouldn't accept a proposal, that she made them wait
for three hours, that she didn't want to meet them.
She skirted over that and simply responded by saying, I
have always been myself this entire time. And what did
the audience do?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Clap?
Speaker 4 (44:52):
I will say this, though you know, there's a lot
that went down tonight that was painful to watch and
to take in William struggling with the lack of conversation
between I wanted.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Her to explain why she did that, and she did
and she just said I've been myself, and you guys clapped.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
But she did say one thing that I will say
warranted a good response from the audience, as she said,
it's not just Peter finding love, it's me too, and
it's fifty to fifty, which I will back her up
in that regard and say, yes, girlfriend, it is fifty
to fifty. I appreciate that, but still there was that
lack of communication, There was that lack of conversation. She
didn't address the conversation with Barb that Barb.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Had brought up.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Also to the moment when we saw Madison go back
to LA and see Peter for the first time. I
mean clearly he was shocked, as he said he thought
it was Chris walking behind him. But in that moment too,
when they reunited, there wasn't really any depth to that
conversation either other than love and Rachel you said the
best when we were talking to Hannah Ann.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Is that, uh, it's a room.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Ever for the most part, veterination is made up of
hopeless romantics. It's a room of people who want the
lead and these people on TV to find love.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
That's the base of it.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
And yes Peter is expressing that to Madison, but there
needs to be.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
More than that.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
There needs to be more.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Addressed than just I love you, I ended my engagement
for you, like all of the reasons why you guys
ended in the first place are still there, and that
needs to be brought up because me, as a viewer,
and I've said this all season, is that I feel
like I'm missing so much.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I guess my thing is is the whole it's fifty
to fifty, and that's right, But are you giving fifty
to fifty because that's not what we're seeing. And then also,
it's my journey. Okay, that's true. It is your journey,
and nobody's taking that away from you. But we're trying
to understand the contradictions that are within your journey. We're
trying to understand where you are with Peter and where
your heart is. Because I'll be honest, I didn't see
(46:47):
it on that stage tonight. I don't doubt that Peter
and Madison have love for each other. I one hundred
percent agree with that. But what I saw on that
stage tonight. All I saw was that it's not if
this is gonna end, it's whend it's going to end.
The odds are always against you already. And if you
don't believe what I'm saying or what Becca saying, can
(47:08):
we talk about the voice of reason in the.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Family, Pete Senior. When Pete Senior.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of a relationship,
that's when it's light and it's fun, and you're so
like two getdy kids getting to know each other, and
that has not been the case for Madison and Peter.
It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposites attract,
but your morals and your values have to be the same,
and that what Peter's family is saying is that they're
(47:35):
not on the same level.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
So this relationship is kind of doomed.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
If Madison is really that strong into her convictions, which
no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly want
the type of man that Peter is, which again that's
not a problem for him, that's who he is.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
It just won't work. It's just you.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Can want to see them together and want love for
Peter and want love for Madison, but the two of
them together, it.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if I thought, it.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Was because they were different in their lifestyles and their values. Now,
add on top that the family does not like her,
The family does not get along with her, and she
went back at Barb, not faulting her for defending herself
at all. I probably would have done the same thing,
but on Live TV went back and forth. It is
clear that there is tension there, that they don't get along.
(48:21):
Peter's very into his family, and there's just no way
that Madison herself is going to want to be a
part of a family that's not into her and that
doesn't accept her, which Barb just said in front of
millions and people.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
In front of the whole world, like it's doomed.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
And it's sad to say that because we wanted Peter
to find love, but it's doomed.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
And one thing too, like playing into feelings and emotions.
You know, I'm I really try to watch body language,
and tonight we saw it on stage. But even last night,
in the date that Peter and Madison had together when
he's trying to convince her to come meet his parents,
there's the physicality there is lacking, like she there. If
(49:04):
people please will go back and watch that moment from yesterday,
there's moments where Peter tries to go in to kiss her,
to hold her, and she's like recoiling from him.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
And then tonight you get.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
On stage and I remember, you know, granted, my situation
with Garrett a couple of years ago during My Family
is completely different from this.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I cannot compare the two. But in this moment, for
the most part.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
This should be you're finally in public together, you can
finally say to there's names in front of everyone. There
should be some sort of excitement and giddiness. And like,
I couldn't keep my hands off Garrett and the couches
seem to get smaller. Hear my ear on the stage.
But when Peter and Madison were sitting on it together,
it's like they weren't touching whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
It was like they I don't know, it just felt
off to me. It felt very strange, and it's all off.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
And of course, as you said, yes there was tension
with the family, and Barb had mentioned with his friends too,
But still, if you still want to make this real
relationship work, you still have to have some sort of
communication internally with each other. And if they want to
make this work, like Peter, have her back, like grab
or hold her close, like, do something to reassure her
(50:13):
in this moment.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, and it just wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
You should have taken up for her, Like I don't
agree with going up against your family like that, and
I definitely believe in respect, but I felt like he,
like you said, he should have butted in a bit
and defended her a little bit more. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
Well, and we were watching it and in that moment,
I'm like, Peter, stand up for her, have her back,
say something. You know, we saw him be like, well, Dad,
say something. But it's like, if that was my man,
I would want him to have my back regardless. Yeah,
And I would want to feel safe and secure in
that moment, because it's terrifying. You're on You're in front
of a live audience on live TV with millions of
(50:50):
people watching. Yeah, like you need to be together if
that's what you're trying to be.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, And you hit the knell on the head because
you knew how your family felt about her before we
did tonight, and so you should have been prepared to
fight for your relationship just a little bit more. If
you choose Madison, then stand behind and behind it and
fight for it and fight for what you guys have.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
And we didn't see that from them tonight. I just
this whole thing. It's it was more.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
We've been calling this season a shit show, but tonight
it really was the culmination of that.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
I mean, it was way way crazier than I expected.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
My advice to Peter and Madison at this point would
just be like, you just need to go away from
the public and find yourselves, because I do know what
it's like for everybody to have an opinion about your relationship,
and sorry, this is what we do on this podcast.
We have opinions about what we just saw, so I
get that, but you need to go away from the spotlight,
(51:55):
do you and figure yourselves out without anybody else having
their own opinion.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Even his family.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Madison and Peter needed to find who they are away
from everybody else. I'm not quite sure what's going to happen.
I hope she focuses on their relationship and if you're
going to come back to Peter and knowing what you're
walking into because she kind of got into it with
the mom before, then I hope that you give it
your all and I hope that's your focus more than.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Whatever your new career is.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
I want to end it on a high note, though,
because we've this entire season, we've seen so much stuff
go down, and tonight that was no exception.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
But we did.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which was
our upcoming back short Claire Crawley, which you know we
didn't get to see too much of her. I'm kind
of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able to
meet a couple of her guys that she will soon
be dating. But she is going to be a brother
of fresh air, I think for us and she, I
(52:58):
really like not to bring up anyone's past, but I
liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with
Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying
what she had to say, because we know going into
this upcoming season she's not going to be afraid to
call out guys. I think she's going to nip the
bullshit in the butt when she can, and it's going
to be such a different vibe from what we've seen
(53:21):
in Peter's season, I think in the couple seasons past.
So I'm really excited and looking forward to Claire agreed.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
I feel like the franchise has spoken, they heard you,
Bacher Nation.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
They're wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
This phase of leads and I think we're a little
over it at this point with the outcomes that we've received.
So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to
the table, because it's going to be something different.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
So I hope you guys are excited as.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
We are to watch it, and you know we'll be
covering it here on Bats Are Happy.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
I also really hope that Claire finds love and there's
an engagement, because I want to see what a lasting
ring looks like, because I feel like they've been so
brief we can barely even see them these.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Past couple of seas days. That's well said. We need
more of the lane. We gotta put in La to work, all.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Right, So let's put a pin in it because we've
got more for you, guys. You're welcome coming up on Friday,
We've got part two of our Hannah and interview because.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
We just couldn't get enough of her.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
We had to keep the conversation going and we know
you guys want to hear a whole lot more from her,
So Friday we'll be back.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
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and praises. You can always email us at happy Hour
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very soon.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I don't even know where to start with this one,
so first of all, I just have to announce that
we are coming to you live from backstage at.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
After the final rows. I mean, how do we.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sum this up into one word? Becka, I mean, barbs
what I've been saying, But I'm a speechless you guys,
we have so much to get into, so much to
talk about, Bacher Nation, Bacher Happy Hour listeners.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I know you were upset that we didn't have.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
A podcast yesterday, but my god, was it not worth
the wait? Were we not all waiting for what was
going to happen tonight? We have a special guest with
us in the studio today. But first I just have
to say that I'm so happy that I am not
doing this alone like I had to at Women's tell All,
I have my wonderful co host with me Becca Koper
is in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Back.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm back.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I am here off the road, taking a break from
the tour for a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And Rachel, as you said, I mean, obviously we.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Could have I've had a podcast today, but there was
so much that was left inside that we had to
see go down. So now you're getting the full gist
of everything that we saw in the past two days,
which I mean, this entire season was a crazy wild ride,
and this evening just really I think summed everything that
we've seen in the past ten weeks up in one night.
And my mind is I mean, I feel like I'm
(01:21):
kind of shaking right now. My mind is still a
little bit blown.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, And I think what's so great is, I'll be honest,
we didn't get a lot of answers tonight. I feel
like we heard a lot of talking, and there was
a lot of talking in circles except for one person
who I'm so thankful we get to talk to tonight. A
lot of circular talking. And I think that what's going
to be so great about our podcast tonight is that
we're going to unravel exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We're going to get down to it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We're going to ask the hard questions that weren't asked
on stage, and we're going to make sure we get
those answers.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That we know Bacher Nation needs.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So we're going to talk to some people tonight, but
I am so excited that we are talking wit.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Let me give you a drumm roll. We need a
drum roll for the person.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Only one person one tonight, and that person is Hannah Ann.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Hannah Ann, welcome to Ba's for Happy Hour.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Thank you guys having me.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well we I mean I needed personally first say, when
I first met you five seconds ago, you often and
I was hugging you, and I felt like I wanted
to just take you under my wing because throughout this
entire journey that I've had for years, there's probably only
one other person who has now experienced things like I
have experienced, and that is you. And let me first
(02:41):
start by saying, yes, we're so excited to have you.
We can't wait to dive in and get your side
of everything.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But the way you handle things when.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Peter ended things and even tonight on stage, it was
with so much grace and dignity. But I looked up
to you in a way you said the things that
you had to say, and when I was in your position,
I was so I think blinded and nervous and anxious
and feeling like so constricted that it was finally nice
to see a badass woman stand up there and say
(03:10):
what she needed to say to put Peter in his place.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And as Rachel said, I really do feel like.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
You are the winner of tonight because you handled it
with so much dignity.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I'm so happy that you're here.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And I think I speak on behalf of all of
veterination when I say our hearts broke for you. I
mean we were watching backstage and I truly felt how
I felt years ago, and so thank you for being here.
Thank you for putting your heart and everything, your love
life on the line. You know, it's a weird it's
a weird world when it's for other people's entertainment, but
(03:42):
you handled everything beautifully, and I keep saying with so
much grace, but thank you.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I was thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And I like the whole time that we were watching
what happened tonight, Becca and I just.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Kept like chatting like two little girls.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And Becca kept saying that she understood you and what
you went through. And I know that we're gonna, you know,
dive into that even further into the podcast. But this
is the first podcast that you've done, as you said,
so thank you so much for doing our podcast first
and you.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Can stop after that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Because no one has talked to you, and then the
first time we really heard you speak, I really want
to get start from the beginning because we saw you
one way and then we do not. It's one of
the things that we did not get the answer to,
even with you talking and standing up for yourself, we
did not understand how it got to where it did,
and we're so help hoping to get those answers tonight.
So I really want to get into it because I
(04:35):
feel like you have been unfairly judged, and I'll even
say that I did it as well.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I first time we talked to Peter and I saw
you still him so many times. I compared you to
Luke p I was like, is she a little bit
Luke peish?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And he said, no, she's not, and he was like
really defensive.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I was like, Okay, we got it. She's going
some places.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No. But I feel like one one theme in y'all
season is that there was a lack of communication and
people weren't really communicating their feelings and their thoughts, and
you got a lot of heat for it as well,
But tonight you put all that to rest. So let's
kind of start from the beginning with you know, you
getting the first impression Rows and how that night went down,
(05:23):
and so I guess one, did you think you were
going to get it? And did you feel like you
had a target on your back? And this is pre
Champagne gay, Let's just not well yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Yeah, So the first night, you know, getting the first impression,
I you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Of girls around, and I wanted you.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Know, I was excited to see Peter.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
You know, we film all night long, hours and hours
and hours, so the times that I would go up
and see him again hours had passed.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I'm like, of course I want to go see him again.
If I get the opportunity, I want to go speak
with him again.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
I mean, I've been waiting to like speak with him,
and I'm here for purpose. My words have a purpose
and meaning behind them, and I I was excited to
get to know him. Plus, if I'm taking the time
to start this journey, I want to be sure if
we even have a connection. You know, I enjoyed spending
time with the other girls, but at the forefront of
(06:16):
my mind was always going to be Peter and seeing
if we had that connection, and if I didn't ever
feel that, I would have parted ways.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You know, weren't you worried about being that girl, that
girl who's going to be the one stealing him because
you didn't know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You were going to get the first impression of usk? Yeah,
So does that not cross your mind at all?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Because I know at one point you said, I'm not
typically like this, but we couldn't tell.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Right right, And I think in the beginning I came
off completely like the wrong way, and looking back on
and I'm like, oh my goodness, like that was not
what I wanted to come across as. But I was
just focused on me and Peter and tried to keep
that at the forefront of my mind at all times,
and enjoyed the entire process, even if meant, you know,
(07:00):
spending time with the girls. But at the end of
the day, when I was there Peter and Peter only
and trying to figure out and give our give us
the best shot.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Well, and I will say because we did sit down
with Peter at the very beginning and I asked him,
I was like, did you like that that haim An
stole you so many times?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And he did. He was all for it.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, he said he was wanting to talk to me
more that night.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yea, okay, so he liked it. So clearly it was
reciprocated on both ends.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It wasn't like he was like, who's this crazy girl
who keeps stealing me?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I know it might seem like I was pressing myself
on him, but he was telling me he wanted to
talk to me more that night, you know, and opportunities
were presented to me to talk to him. And it's
been a couple of hours. I'm like, sure, Yeah, he
told me to talk to him again, so I'm like,
I'm going to So feelings were, you know, on both
sides wanting to communicate and talk more.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, it were. It did, It clearly did. And then
we go on to I mean fast forward a little bit.
This whole champagne gait.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Which was champagne was such a common theme. I feel
like throughout what was your take? Because when we recapped
that week, I was saying, you know, there's clearly the
show does certain things. They set up certain things to
you know, stir the pot and to cause that drama.
And I really truly was like, I don't think han
Ann knew that that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
One was Kelsey's. I think she just saw it was
a cute set.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Up for her and Peter, So we didn't think you
did it maliciously. But what was your take when that
all went down?
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Oh my goodness, when all that went down, I wastely
blindsided by it and I.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Didn't know how to handle it.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
And you know, in the end, me and Kelsey were
able to like, you know, put aside our differences and
become friends because we were like, hey, we have like,
you know, a couple more weeks with each other, hopefully,
like we have to pull you know, we have to
put this bull crap aside.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
And like learn to you know, be friends or at
least live like in the same house together.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
So when all that went down, I was like, oh crap,
Like I've never had that conflict like this, Like how
do I handle this? So like I was just trying
to be as logical as possible and just be like, hey,
I didn't steal your champagne, and like that came across
maybe to some people as like cold hearted, but I
was just trying to like be as straightforward and concise
as possible and not let the emotions get to me.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And it did.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Upset me.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I remember that night.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
I cried all night long, and I remember some of
the girls in the house were like, you know, they
can't ant like people like like the other girls need
to see the side of you, Like they need to
see that you're.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Upset and see that you didn't mean that.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
But in the moment, I was just trying to be
as clear as possible with her, so she knew that
my point got across.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I did not steal your champagne. That's where you know I'm.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Not just champagne, because I was just trying to like,
you know, we'll let her know that.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And I get it. I mean I never was in
a sorority. I mean, I have a big group of girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But when you're.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Living with twenty plus people from all across the country,
people that you don't know, you don't know how they interact,
how they process things, it's a really scary thing. And
I and I think you handled it well. I will say,
I mean I would have probably done the same. I
would have been like, look, I can't feel this fire
so much. I'll say what I have to sail confronted.
Hopefully it dies. But it's a really people I don't
(10:03):
think realize how scary that first week is, Like it's
all aknown so you have no idea what to expect
with the lead, with the production aspect, with living with
so many people, and so it's it's unturned territory that
no one, no one should actually know how to handle that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Right, right.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
And me and Kelsey didn't know each other at that point,
so we didn't kind of know, you know, how we
both you know, how we both respond to situations are
very different.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
But what I know now about her and what she
knows now about.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Me, it would have been completely different.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I mean that was like day five based yea, so
we didn't know each other at all, which would have changed,
you know, both of our responses to the situation.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think what was hard for people to handle is
you were so cool, calm and collected.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
In your response.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And I remember saying, I was like, I probably would
have responded the same way that it came across as nonchalant, right, And.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I was like, I think that it's being misunderstood because
I got it. I was like, kudos to her. It's like,
I don't even think I could have handled it that well.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think the one thing was that I think you
said it was bullying her, and I think it's a
word that we throw out around too often.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
She definitely cursed you out, which was wrong. She was
wrong and how she handled.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It for sure, But I think the way you handled it,
I didn't think you needed to cry and match her
emotion in that. I thought that the way that you
handled it kind of diffuse the situation and it didn't
create a Fanasco.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Can talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Masco, Yes she is, and what happened.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
This whole season has been a Fanasco and that is
my cap on the whole entire season.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I was actually gonna do you know the right word? Right?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Yeah, fanasco.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Can't you say the right word fiasco?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Fiasco?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I was trying to give you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I was trying to give you a chance.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
You know what I like to say, fanasco.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But for the record, you do know it's fiasco.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yes, but you should trademark fanasco.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I should.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
It's just like, and you know what's so funny is
that in the moment I said that, and I had
no idea that I even like misspoke, Like I had
no idea and like that'sn't even like a word that
I had used in the bath, So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I had no idea where that came from.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Look, your brain was shumbled that first week.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
A lot went down. I would have been making them.
I do still make up my own words, So I
don't blame you for that. So we go on.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, of course we see you form friendships like you
and Kelsey seem.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Yeah, she's a really sweet girl, you guys. She doesn't
have a mean bone in her body.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
She's very very just had to get past the champagne.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Women.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Tell she was cool.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I didn't steal your champagne. After that, she became like.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
A really great friend, honestly, and you're still friends. Yeah,
we are, all right, she's a really nice person.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So let's jump. Let's just just move on. Well, you
know you got roses.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We were We knew you were a front runner, you know,
after you won the modeling thing, which totally should have
or how are those is that revolved that you're wearing?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Are the Revolt clothes working for?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Does not to point that out?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Like a girl's dream, right, like, just to be able
to get twenty five twenty four thousand dollars worth whatever
it was worth.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Of clothes the closet No, it is not, and it should.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's a good problem to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So I want to just just get right to Fantasy
Suites because you have a meme that's going around where
you're looking and I wish you guys.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You guys know that's what happy our listeners.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know what I'm talking about, where you're like, it's
the best meme ever with the brown and the squinty
guys like, say what now, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
What the face is.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So we learn in the Fantasy suite. We all know
what goes down to Fantasy Suite. Nobody, whether you've watched
Bouts or or not, you know what Fantasy Suite is about.
And in this Fantasy this week, you guys all stay together, right,
which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But you learn about Madison. You learn her thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
About Fantasy sueet week, which at that point she had
shared with you, but she hadn't shared with Peter himself, right,
And then it became this.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Whole ultimatum thing. Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Was it not?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I'm asking you? Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
You know, for me, me and Madison are just two
different people and we make different decisions, and I felt
completely uncomfortable that entire weekend that I even knew, you.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Know, the conversations that she was wanting to have with Peter.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I was just wanting to focus on me and him
and not let anything.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Distract me from that.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So thinking that it's an ultimatum between Madison and Peter,
not necessarily because I.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Think Madison was doing what was best for her, But that's.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Not an ultimate that's not the definition of an.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Ultimatum is like if you do this, then this, Yes,
It's like, doesn't matter your motive behind because it's not
wrong to believe what you believe and to feel that.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
No, but nobody's a judged her for that. I never
judged her for that. Was I taken back by it?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yes, because I didn't want to be involved in it.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
I don't want to have these conversations with anyone, you know,
about them and Peter. I was focused on me, and
so when she was telling me, you know, she felt
like he couldn't do certain things for her to move
forward with him, I was just kind of like gave
her a look of a what were.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You close with her in the house?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah, we I was, Yeah, I was close with her.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I wanted to know did she talk because we didn't
see her bring up this conversation with Peter until the
very end, the very end.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And was this something because I feel like when I
was on ra season.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
With all the girls, we talked about a lot, like
everything was out in the open.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
There wasn't many secrets between us.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So was this something that was brought up in the
in the house with all of the girls beforehand, or
was that the first time you were hearing about it too?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I think when we sat down, we you know, had
to have that conversation about her telling Peter her standards
and stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You know, I gave that look because I was kind
of taken back by it.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So you hadn't heard it before?
Speaker 7 (15:51):
No, I was thinking in my I knew, you know,
she had certain lifestyle values and I knew that they
didn't line up with Peter's.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
But I was thinking that they might have had that
conversation weeks before and its prior.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
But my face is kind of like, oh gosh, I
don't want to get involved in this, like you know
you do you know, for me, I was never intending
to give Peter a hall pass of you do whatever
you want. My intention was I see the big picture
and me and you truly begin after all this is
over after when it's just me and you, And that
was my intention behind it. I just wanted him to,
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you know, focus on him and try to be as
understanding as possible the amount of streuss and pressure he's under.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
And if we meet each other and the end.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Great, that's when we start. Yeah, that's when it's just.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
About me and you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's an uncomfortable week period, no matter what your values are.
It's just uncomfortable knowing while I'm sitting here something else
is going on. Like it it gets to everybody back then,
I have both been there on both sides of it.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I just want to know you went first, and obviously
Victoria and then Madison. Do you think had well a,
had you guys all been removed from each other and
be gone in a different order, would things have changed?
Speaker 7 (17:04):
No, Because I think Peter and Madison hold different lifestyles
or lived. I think Peter Madison lived different lifestyles and
hold different values. And I don't think this is exactly just.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
An issue with the fantasy speek.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
So I think it's lifestyles and how you see life
and how you judge everything out of life.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So it's so interesting that you say that, because, like
Becca was saying, as women in the house, you chitchat
and you talk and you get to know each other
better than you get to know whoever the lead is.
So you're saying, you say you knew that they had
different lifestyles and they were on different pages. As a viewer,
we didn't get that till week seven, and it was
only that we got that they had were different as
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far as religion.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We had no idea they had different lifestyles. But obviously
you were privy to that information.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So Madison made a point during Fantasy Sweet Week where
she said to Peter, I've been struggling this entire time,
and I've been having.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
A really hard time. Is that something that you saw
in the house.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah, so we.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Didn't see that, and what and what did you see?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I saw?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
You know, she was struggling with the week and just
knowing that. I think she was coming to the realization
that they live very different lifestyles, which is hard to
kind of comprehend when you're in when you're on the
show and you're not in your lifestyle, you're not on
your day to day basis of your hobbies and like
your schedule and how you live your life.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
So I think that was trying.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I think at that point that was coming very apparent
to her, and I think that that's what she was
struggling with, along with just the stress of fantasy fantasy
see week, which is stressful for anyone.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I do want to get to the whole lifestyle thing
in a bit because it leads me into some questions
like after you and Peter were already together, so can
we fast forward? Yeah, because I want to get to
the juicy, the juicy part everyone. So the last week
you met the family, they fell in love with you.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Madison at the family, it wasn't this, It wasn't the same.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And that you know, I don't want to talk about
Madison too too much because she's not here. I want
to focus on you and your time with Peter.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So you get to that last.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Week and you would absolutely then no idea that Madison
had left early.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Correct, no idea.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So when he told you, because we've seen the proposal,
he's standing there, and we also didn't know if you
were going to show up at first. Yeah, you know,
you're kind of making a sway, So you get to
that moment and he's in the middle of this speech
to you where it should be about you, guys, and
he goes, Madison left two days ago. And in that moment,
I don't know if you guys caught it, but when
he said Madison, his tone switched a little bit and
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all he says is is that all he said? I
want to know, was he just like she left a
couple of days ago, and then goes on.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
To all these great things about you.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Yes, yes, it was completely downplayd didn't give me the
courtesy or respect to have a sit down conversation.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Hey, this this is what's been going on this week.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is where my.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Headspace is at. Let's talk this through. Didn't owe me that,
just told me that very quickly and downplayed it, and
then immediately went to but my heart choes is you
and your love of my life. But I don't want
to spend forever with you.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Did you get an inkling that kind of what we
saw happen post engagement was going to happen that night.
Because we never usually see someone say I don't know
if I want to show up right. Usually, when you
get to that point, that person is ready to go
there whether they're going to accept a proposal and they
have no idea. You were struggling before the engagement. Why
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was that because we never really got those answers.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Yeah, my instincts were telling me I wasn't getting all
the information I needed to make a decision with Peter.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And that's intuition.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
That's intuition, and that's instincts.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
And should I have stayed on that bed in Australia, Absolutely,
But I wasn't going to give up on someone that
I loved and he the last words he told me
on our last chance date was that he was going
to make the decision that's best for both of us.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
To trust him.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
And when you're with someone, you know, this is a
wacky situation, but I'm taking it for what it is.
When you're with someone, you trust their word. Yeah, and
that's why I showed up. So I was going to
trust his words and follow through. And in the end,
I think he, you know, took advantage of the fact
that he conveniently left out very important information prior to
me making a commitment with them. And you know, as
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the audience is watching this for the very first time,
I'm just like an average viewer, like, I'm just like
everyone else watching this, like a lot of information was left.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Out, which is why Bauchler happy our listeners. I need
to reiterate this because I was the same way when
I was in your position. This is Hannah Ann's first
time truly watching this all go down. Yes, she lived it,
but there's so many pieces to this entire puzzle that
she missed that she didn't see, and so she.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Was backstage watching it just like we all were watching it.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And so I'm sure in those moments and even now,
there's going to be a lot that you're still processing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Can I ask you a question when you say that
there was a lot you did and see, are you
just talking about what happened post engagement or are you
also talking about what you watched the entire h this
whole journey, like all these weeks, this entire.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Season, entire season entirely explain that really it was Peter
wanted me to stay with him, and he downplayed his
feelings towards Madison completely, and even you know, after our breakup,
he couldn't really own up to it and reached out
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to my parents and said that he you know, basically
that he was struggling processing all of his emotions.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
That's what he left that and it was very vague.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
He speaks half truths, and so while I'm watching this season,
I'm like, oh, okay, that makes a lot more sense,
Like this is why we broke up. Makes a whole
lot more sense because he couldn't really own up to
the fact of how he was truly feeling.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I want to know too.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So after okay, so after you guys did get engaged,
and he was very vague about oh, yeah, Madison left
two days ago, but you guys still ended up together.
You have days when you're together before I'm sure you
flew back to the US, before you know, you got
back to your normal life. Did he in those moments
ever disclose more of why she left? Did you guys
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get into that conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
He always whenever that conversation was brought up, it was
always like this is the past, and always made sure
to reassure me that I was his person, that I
was a loved life, and that he was always going
to choose me. So always kind of went in with
that reassurance to where I'm like, hmm, okay. But as
the season started to roll, things weren't quite adding up, and.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So let's break this down because I'm an evidenced, like logical,
I need to see how things timeline out. Yeah, so
we talked to Peter. So you get engaged somewhere around
a week before Thanksgiving around that time. Yeah, you're together
this whole time. We talked to Peter first week in January.
He tells us he is so happy. We talked to
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his parents. As we can see, Barb cannot control her
emotions and she was happy at that time. So if
it wasn't you, we would have already known.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
She was not okay.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So the season has started, y'all are still together? When
did you have the conversation that we saw happen on
TV TV?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
You know, like I said on stage, the beginning of
January was when he approached me that he needed to
speak with Hannah Brown. Yeah, to know about that, that's
the first red flag.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But start talk about that. He told you he needs
to talk to Hannah Brown.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Yes, he told me he needed to talk to Hannah
Brown because he needed closure?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Did he not get that?
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I was trying to convince me that I should feel
comfortable with that, And I'm like, why did.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
He need closure?
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Why do you we we're engaged, right and just listen.
I wasn't on that group date with him and Hannah Brown.
I had not seen that episode of them all cozy
cozy up in a couch, him crying and.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Her possibly come back in the house.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
I have no idea, like none, And so when he
brought that up, I'm like, wait, what, Like, I know
she came back in the season, but can you explain more?
And that was kind of when the episode was coming out,
and I'm like, why should.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I feel comfortable with this? This is something that I
feel like if you don't.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
You don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment,
let alone an engagement. That was the first red flag
And I was questioning my own self because he was
trying to convince me that that is something that he needed,
and I'm like, I just I don't quite feel.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Settled with that.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So did he get the closure?
Speaker 6 (25:42):
No?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That was that was pretty close.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
I think that was like a week before he broke up.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
So he never reached out to her. He never tried
to contact her or.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Was Hannah Brown code for oh, let me maybe have
conversations with other women aka Madison where he was trying
to open up the door and like test the water
and see how you felt.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I probably, I don't quite know. That was so close
to us breaking up, and then there was that going on,
you know, and then there was the whole Oh the
season started and I have unresolved issues.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm by your side.
I gave you my word to be by your side.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
And his unresolved issues were having to watch back the
show once again.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
He completely downplayed it completely.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
And you know, when I showed up to the breakup,
that was the very first time I heard him say
I can't give you my full heart. And I told
him before I even went out there, I said, hey,
like you're wanting to in things, give me a little
bit of a heads up. I'll be fine, trust me,
I'll cry, you know, just just give me a heads up.
And we actually had talked that morning that.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
We weren't going to break up, that we were going
to work through it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
When was this February the February.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Very end of January, very end of January.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
So y'all went all through December, Christmas, cool, just fine.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
You never had any inkling that he was because you
during your breakup you kept saying I know you've been struggling,
and I'm here for you.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
That that didn't start till January.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
That did not start till January.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm like, I because one of the one of the
questions we had when we were watching was seeing how
happy he was to go get that ring for you, Nilane.
We were sitting with Nilane watching tonight, and he was
like the man I saw get that ring is not
the man that I see now, like just totally different
he was. He was ecstatic, approsing.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
He was kissing ring, like showed us pictures of the
day of Peter kissing the ring he picked out.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So I think what we're all trying to understand, like
Becca and I, but also just like our listener's maachter Nation,
is what happened. I get the Hannah Brown unresolved. I
don't know what that was. But with the with whatever
he said to you where you started, for you to
say when you were headed to la Hey, if we're
breaking up, let me know what was happening, because that's
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not the first thing I would say.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, I mean, it's just like what he told my
parents even after a breakup, he was having trouble processing
all of his emotions.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Peter does not own up completely to the full.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Truth, just kind of like on our engagement day, he
knew that if he told me the full extent of
where his heart and head was at that entire week,
he knew the outcome would have been different. He knew
that when we sat down had to open an honest conversation,
my instincts would picked up on that he was not.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Ready for a commitment.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I think that's not what he wanted.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I think that Peter that we've seen all season is
he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of he has his
head in the clouds where he I think he hypes
himself up to think he wants certain things, and it's
not until he can take a step back or start
rewatching this season where he sees the things that he
now can't have. And I will say, like when I
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was still with Ari, because we were together for about
a month and a half, had three happy couples together,
like you guys, you know, I knew he had been
startling and he felt guilty for how things went down
with obviously Lauren, and I'm sure the other girls like
that's just a human instinct, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You know. He started watching the season back.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Our season started when we were still together, and he
said he watched our season, our first episode, so the
first date, it's like, oh my gosh, I'm more in
love with you now than I ever was. And then
fast forward to the next week where I wasn't on
that date with him, and he started seeing other things.
And I think it's in that moment where you watch
it back as a man, because I don't think I
got this as a woman, but I'm trying to trying
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to kind of process and put my feet where what
am I trying to say, put my feet in his shoes?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Whatever? Where He started.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Then watching it back and started seeing his first date
with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that he couldn't,
as you said, quite on up to and acknowledge.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Guys are hard human beings to try.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
The thing that I think makes me feel for you
is that we see.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Him get down on one knee. Well did we see
him get down on one knee?
Speaker 5 (30:04):
He did get down on one day.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I think I missed the part.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I think I was so frazzled on it, but you're like,
you know, he he gets engaged to you, he proposes
to you, he promises you all these things without being
fully honest. And for everyone listening, for all the men
out there, if you think that you have to do
a certain thing because it's gonna make us feel better,
don't like be honest with us and give us the
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respect and the courtesy to make our decisions. Maybe had
you known the full extent of everything, who knows what
had happened, you could have very easily said, you know,
I love you, I want to be with you, I
want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't necessarily happen,
but every woman and man who's on the show too
deserves that respect.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
And deserves the truth.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
M hm.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
And so I don't know exactly what happened, I mean,
nothing really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season
has actually been really helpful for me because it's helped
me work through any unresolved feelings that had towards him,
because I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive
and confusing, and who wants to be with that? And
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that doesn't make me feel secure and being with him,
and so It's really helped me move forward because I
know I deserve more than just someone giving, you know,
than someone just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone,
you know, someone who's going to give me a hundred percent.
And I felt like me being so clear and not
playing mind games with him, that he would give me
that return.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But really he was just reckless with my heart.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Well, and he had said all season I want someone
to love me as much as I love them, and.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That was you.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
You gave that to him, You did, you loved him
more of anything, And so I think he didn't. I
think he went into the season thinking one thing, thinking
it was going to be this magical, like beautiful, super easy,
great seemless love story, and that wasn't the case. And
I think he couldn't quite own up to what it
was he truly wants and needs in a partner. All Right,
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Bachelor Happy Hour Listeners Part two with the amazing Hannah Ann.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
We'll be coming up this Friday.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
But you know, we have to get into everything that
happened during the finale. So Rachel, we got to dive
in you and I need to talk back up.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
We need to talk about what we saw. So hannah
An came out.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
She was a boss.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
She killed it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
She said her piece. She put Peter in his place.
He couldn't even defend himself. All he could say was,
you're right. So the second half of the episode we
deal with what happened with Madison. Chris Harrison goes to her.
I'm gonna sum this up real quick, because we just
want to get to the meat of it. Chris Harrison
goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still into Peter,
and she goes out to fly with Peter. We don't
(32:45):
know the exact timeline. We don't know how much time was.
It seemed like it was very quick. Seemed like she
hopped on a plane and flew out with Chris Harrison
to La. That's how it was presented to us. She
gets to La, Peter has no idea he's going to
see her. They see each other, they say they have this.
They have so much to talk about. Of course, in
true fashion this season, we see them talk about absolutely
nothing other than they have feelings for each other, and
(33:06):
then it cuts to Peter talking about Madison. We see
Madison come out, We see them sitting there there, seem.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Happy, but they're not touching.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
There seems to still be some space in between them,
and we see them once again kind of dance around
what it is that they are. We still are they
boyfriend girlfriend? We know they're not engaged, We obviously know
they're not married. And one thing we learned for sure
is that Barb and the rest of the family and
apparently the friends as.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, do not approve of their relationships. So Becca, that
sums up what we saw.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Where do we even start to begin about it? I mean,
all of that being said, what was your take when
it came to watching what went down tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Because I didn't expect any of this.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You could read a spoiler an article, have your own
preconceived notions, but you know it was gonna go down
like this.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
No, And the best way I can describe it is
when we first sat down with Peter at the very
beginning of his season, he said he felt like there
was something new and crazy thrown his way every week,
and I feel like that didn't stop even through the finale,
And like, think of everything that went down tonight, people,
(34:21):
the main craziest part should have been that switcheroo and
the breakup.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
With Hannah Ann and it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It was everything that played out after and Rachel, as
you said, we don't know where Madison and Peter stand.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We don't know what is going on.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
We don't even know if they're in a relationship, if
they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up
a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know
what that means.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But Laurie K Publications just couldn't help herself and posted
a picture of Madison her new client, about how she's
the epitome of a class act. So Madison already has
a manager slash pr person slash agent who couldn't wait
five seconds to post that this is her new client.
(35:06):
I'm sorry, Becca, I know that you're talking and I'm
so distracted, but it just so goes into something that
we talked about this season when it comes to we
couldn't understand and I really wish we had the opportunity
to talk to Madison, and I really wish we had
the opportunity to talk to.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Peter about.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Why are you here when you're looking for a certain
type of man who has certain values, certain standards, and
there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Wrong with that. You should want what you want for yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
But the confusing part comes in you're looking for him
in a place where usually those type of men don't dwell,
and as we have under as we understand, Peter is
not that type of man for you, which is his
parents and friends concern.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
And in trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Figure out the logical way of what could her possible
motivation and reason be for being here, one of those
is that she wants to experience the platform.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
The Bacheorette, the followers, whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And I just find it very coincidental that she has
hired a manager slash pr person slash agent to represent her,
which we know prior to the season being over with,
because that person posted her on International Women's Day and
the season was still going and now couldn't miss a
beat to let everybody know, Hey, if you want dis
(36:26):
on Madison, I represent her, which makes me question her
motives this entire time. I'm sorry, well sorry, and I
think Madison fans are going to come after me, but
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
You have to be logical about this situation.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Hannah Ann told us she doesn't even have one, and
this girl's been modeling for years.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah, no, Rachel, you are talking to a real follower here.
Because there are certain timelines that we have to adhere
to as the lead, and getting a representation at that
point doesn't add up. I, for one, don't even have
an agent still, and I've been baucherette, I mean two
(37:03):
years ago, and I still just do most things myself.
So you know, Rachel, as you just mentioned, you're probably
gonna get a lot of backlash for that. But that's
not the case people. I mean, Rachel's calling it like
it is, and it's a very strange scenario that we
find ourselves in after this whole Bachelor world, but it
doesn't add up. It's very interesting to me given the
(37:27):
timeline of everything, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
That aside.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I like, my main takeaway from tonight is we watched
last night's episode and we watched Madison send herself home
two days before the finale because, as she said, their
lifestyles and their morals.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Don't line up, they don't match, so she removes herself.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Okay, that's one thing good for her in that moment,
for standing up for what she believes in, what she
thinks is right and logical. Yes, nothing since then has
changed though, besides Peter is still saying he loves her.
You know, guess Chris Harrison flew out to Auburn to
tell her that Peter was engaged and then ended this
engagement because he still loves Madison. But regardless, like their
(38:13):
lifestyles are still the same, he was still engaged. She
had an issue with him being intimate with women in
the fantasy suite.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Happened during those couple months when he was engaged. He
had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with.
Nothing has changed.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I just don't understand how I understand her feeling. Even
if I don't agree with it, it doesn't mean that
I don't under understand it. I understand the feeling of
how difficult that is to accept a proposal from someone
that you know that just was intimate with other a
woman or other women when we don't know for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So that's fine that that's what you believe in. What
people have been so.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Proud of her and praising her for is that she
has these morals and these convictions and she holds true
to them. Now, you know, as you were saying, Becca,
he got down on one knee and said he wanted
to give his whole heart and spend the rest of
his life with another woman, has spent time, you know,
cultivating that relationship, and then breaks it off and says he, well,
(39:14):
he didn't tell her he wanted her, but you knew
that he break broke it off. And I think Chris
Harrison said it was because of her, So she did know.
And you're so easily willing to take him back. It's,
you know, the same people who were praising her for that.
How can you still hold true that, Oh she knows
what she wants and she deserves better. But yes, she
goes running back to him. There's just so many contradictions.
It's so confusing that I understand why his family has
(39:40):
their concerns, which brings us to a whole nother topic.
They had that camera on poor Barb with I don't
even think she knew the whole time.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Oh she did not know.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Oh my gosh. I felt so bad for her.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I mean, I'm a person who cannot control my facial expressions. Becca,
you say you can't control your hands, you don't know
what to do with them, A make sure. I cannot
control my facial expression, so I just wear it all
on my face.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
And this was a this is a mother.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You guys, you may not agree with her, but this
is a mother who is concerned about the well being
and the heart of her son, and she wants somebody
who loves her son unconditionally, and she had that with
Hannah Ann. Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yes, Rachel, as you said, it is a mother and
I am not a mom, but I can only imagine
that protectiveness that mother bar instinct that you have for
a children a child, and we saw that with her
and all she wanted she's been saying this the entire time,
is that she wants somebody to love her son the
same way she fell in love with her husband. And
(40:46):
she saw that with Hannah Anne. Now one thing that
I'm glad that she brought up. And maybe this is
the moment where she should have been cut off after
she said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison,
when she came in after having this great moment with
Hannah Ann, Madison came in.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
She made them wait for three hours.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
She didn't say sorry, you know, apologies for making you wait.
This is already a long process as it is like
they've been waiting to see their son. They've only seen
them for one day in the span of a couple months,
and so that in itself, I'm sure is frustrating. But
and Barb dis closed this very briefly today to us
and on the TV. But when when she had that
(41:25):
moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she asked
Madison do you love my son?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And Madison in that moment said no.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
So as a mom, I can only put myself in
that position and say, well, I have one woman here
who is all in, wholeheartedly ready to give herself to
my son, and one who, at this moment in time,
you know he's ready to get engaged tomorrow, is saying no,
I don't love your son.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, of course she's gonna have questions.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Of course she's gonna call that out to Peter and
say maybe she's.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Not the one for you.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
And now, granted, people, I know that there's a lot
that we don't see. You know, we're trying to make
a show in a two hour period once a week.
There's so much that goes down. But going off of
what we know, that is alarming.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, and like, let's break this down. What you said.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
So a lot of times people say to us you're
not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well, you're welcome,
you guys, to bar because she told you what you
didn't see. So just imagine last night. You hear Barb
express her feelings, and you see her crying, and you
see her saying but she's just not into you, She's
not here for you, and you're wondering how in the
(42:33):
world is she saying that. Then people go on social
media and are all in Barb's comments and they're saying
all these things to her. So Barb feels the need
to defend herself. Okay, whether you agree with her or not,
she felt the need to speak her truth. So what
did she do the first opportunity she was given the
chance to do it?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
She spoke her truth and she explained.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
To you, guys that in three hours, or she waited
three hours for Madison to come speak to her in
Madison did not even want to come in and meet
the parents. How would that make you feel as a
family member, possibly meeting the fiance of your son, the
potential fiance of your son.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
The girl doesn't even want to walk in and meet you.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Then she does come in and meet you, and that's
only because your son begged her to come in. How
do you accept somebody into your family when that's how
you're starting off. Then when she does come inside, she
doesn't even have the courtesy to apologize for the three
hours she kept the family waiting. So you're already setting
this scene and this mood for the family to come
(43:35):
and talk to you. Then, Barbaraville that when she did
talk to her, as Becca stated, she said love. I
don't love him when asked, and she said she wouldn't
accept a proposal. So of course Barb is crying knowing
that her son is madly in love with a girl
who does not reciprocate those feelings, and that is the
emotion that you're seeing come from Barb. So before you
(43:57):
judge her and you jump on her, yes, I both
agree she took it just a little too far and
aired a little.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Too much information.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
But in that moment, in what she said, that she
is giving you the background that you guys so desperately
beg for, and you're still holding it against her because
we've seen social media today and you guys are ripping Barb.
That is what I just like, don't think it's fair
and I don't understand how when she said that and
she put it back, the ball back in Madison and Pete's,
(44:27):
Pete's Peter's court.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
What was Madison's response? Nothing.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
She never addressed what Barb said. She never addressed saying
she wasn't in love with Peter. She never address saying
she wouldn't accept a proposal, that she made them wait
for three hours, that she didn't want to meet them.
She skirted over that and simply responded by saying, I
have always been myself this entire time. And what did
the audience do?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Clap?
Speaker 4 (44:52):
I will say this, though you know, there's a lot
that went down tonight that was painful to watch and
to take in William struggling with the lack of conversation
between I wanted.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Her to explain why she did that, and she did
and she just said I've been myself, and you guys clapped.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
But she did say one thing that I will say
warranted a good response from the audience, as she said,
it's not just Peter finding love, it's me too, and
it's fifty to fifty, which I will back her up
in that regard and say, yes, girlfriend, it is fifty
to fifty. I appreciate that, but still there was that
lack of communication, There was that lack of conversation. She
didn't address the conversation with Barb that Barb.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Had brought up.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Also to the moment when we saw Madison go back
to LA and see Peter for the first time. I
mean clearly he was shocked, as he said he thought
it was Chris walking behind him. But in that moment too,
when they reunited, there wasn't really any depth to that
conversation either other than love and Rachel you said the
best when we were talking to Hannah Ann.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Is that, uh, it's a room.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Ever for the most part, veterination is made up of
hopeless romantics. It's a room of people who want the
lead and these people on TV to find love.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
That's the base of it.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
And yes Peter is expressing that to Madison, but there
needs to be.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
More than that.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
There needs to be more.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Addressed than just I love you, I ended my engagement
for you, like all of the reasons why you guys
ended in the first place are still there, and that
needs to be brought up because me, as a viewer,
and I've said this all season, is that I feel
like I'm missing so much.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I guess my thing is is the whole it's fifty
to fifty, and that's right, But are you giving fifty
to fifty because that's not what we're seeing. And then also,
it's my journey. Okay, that's true. It is your journey,
and nobody's taking that away from you. But we're trying
to understand the contradictions that are within your journey. We're
trying to understand where you are with Peter and where
your heart is. Because I'll be honest, I didn't see
(46:47):
it on that stage tonight. I don't doubt that Peter
and Madison have love for each other. I one hundred
percent agree with that. But what I saw on that
stage tonight. All I saw was that it's not if
this is gonna end, it's whend it's going to end.
The odds are always against you already. And if you
don't believe what I'm saying or what Becca saying, can
(47:08):
we talk about the voice of reason in the.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Family, Pete Senior. When Pete Senior.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of a relationship,
that's when it's light and it's fun, and you're so
like two getdy kids getting to know each other, and
that has not been the case for Madison and Peter.
It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposites attract,
but your morals and your values have to be the same,
and that what Peter's family is saying is that they're
(47:35):
not on the same level.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
So this relationship is kind of doomed.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
If Madison is really that strong into her convictions, which
no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly want
the type of man that Peter is, which again that's
not a problem for him, that's who he is.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
It just won't work. It's just you.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Can want to see them together and want love for
Peter and want love for Madison, but the two of
them together, it.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if I thought, it.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Was because they were different in their lifestyles and their values. Now,
add on top that the family does not like her,
The family does not get along with her, and she
went back at Barb, not faulting her for defending herself
at all. I probably would have done the same thing,
but on Live TV went back and forth. It is
clear that there is tension there, that they don't get along.
(48:21):
Peter's very into his family, and there's just no way
that Madison herself is going to want to be a
part of a family that's not into her and that
doesn't accept her, which Barb just said in front of
millions and people.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
In front of the whole world, like it's doomed.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
And it's sad to say that because we wanted Peter
to find love, but it's doomed.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
And one thing too, like playing into feelings and emotions.
You know, I'm I really try to watch body language,
and tonight we saw it on stage. But even last night,
in the date that Peter and Madison had together when
he's trying to convince her to come meet his parents,
there's the physicality there is lacking, like she there. If
(49:04):
people please will go back and watch that moment from yesterday,
there's moments where Peter tries to go in to kiss her,
to hold her, and she's like recoiling from him.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
And then tonight you get.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
On stage and I remember, you know, granted, my situation
with Garrett a couple of years ago during My Family
is completely different from this.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I cannot compare the two. But in this moment, for
the most part.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
This should be you're finally in public together, you can
finally say to there's names in front of everyone. There
should be some sort of excitement and giddiness. And like,
I couldn't keep my hands off Garrett and the couches
seem to get smaller. Hear my ear on the stage.
But when Peter and Madison were sitting on it together,
it's like they weren't touching whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
It was like they I don't know, it just felt
off to me. It felt very strange, and it's all off.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
And of course, as you said, yes there was tension
with the family, and Barb had mentioned with his friends too,
But still, if you still want to make this real
relationship work, you still have to have some sort of
communication internally with each other. And if they want to
make this work, like Peter, have her back, like grab
or hold her close, like, do something to reassure her
(50:13):
in this moment.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, and it just wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
You should have taken up for her, Like I don't
agree with going up against your family like that, and
I definitely believe in respect, but I felt like he,
like you said, he should have butted in a bit
and defended her a little bit more. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
Well, and we were watching it and in that moment,
I'm like, Peter, stand up for her, have her back,
say something. You know, we saw him be like, well, Dad,
say something. But it's like, if that was my man,
I would want him to have my back regardless. Yeah,
And I would want to feel safe and secure in
that moment, because it's terrifying. You're on You're in front
of a live audience on live TV with millions of
(50:50):
people watching. Yeah, like you need to be together if
that's what you're trying to be.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, And you hit the knell on the head because
you knew how your family felt about her before we
did tonight, and so you should have been prepared to
fight for your relationship just a little bit more. If
you choose Madison, then stand behind and behind it and
fight for it and fight for what you guys have.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
And we didn't see that from them tonight. I just
this whole thing. It's it was more.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
We've been calling this season a shit show, but tonight
it really was the culmination of that.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
I mean, it was way way crazier than I expected.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
My advice to Peter and Madison at this point would
just be like, you just need to go away from
the public and find yourselves, because I do know what
it's like for everybody to have an opinion about your relationship,
and sorry, this is what we do on this podcast.
We have opinions about what we just saw, so I
get that, but you need to go away from the spotlight,
(51:55):
do you and figure yourselves out without anybody else having
their own opinion.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Even his family.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Madison and Peter needed to find who they are away
from everybody else. I'm not quite sure what's going to happen.
I hope she focuses on their relationship and if you're
going to come back to Peter and knowing what you're
walking into because she kind of got into it with
the mom before, then I hope that you give it
your all and I hope that's your focus more than.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Whatever your new career is.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
I want to end it on a high note, though,
because we've this entire season, we've seen so much stuff
go down, and tonight that was no exception.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
But we did.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which was
our upcoming back short Claire Crawley, which you know we
didn't get to see too much of her. I'm kind
of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able to
meet a couple of her guys that she will soon
be dating. But she is going to be a brother
of fresh air, I think for us and she, I
(52:58):
really like not to bring up anyone's past, but I
liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with
Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying
what she had to say, because we know going into
this upcoming season she's not going to be afraid to
call out guys. I think she's going to nip the
bullshit in the butt when she can, and it's going
to be such a different vibe from what we've seen
(53:21):
in Peter's season, I think in the couple seasons past.
So I'm really excited and looking forward to Claire agreed.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
I feel like the franchise has spoken, they heard you,
Bacher Nation.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
They're wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
This phase of leads and I think we're a little
over it at this point with the outcomes that we've received.
So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to
the table, because it's going to be something different.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
So I hope you guys are excited as.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
We are to watch it, and you know we'll be
covering it here on Bats Are Happy.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
I also really hope that Claire finds love and there's
an engagement, because I want to see what a lasting
ring looks like, because I feel like they've been so
brief we can barely even see them these.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Past couple of seas days. That's well said. We need
more of the lane. We gotta put in La to work, all.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Right, So let's put a pin in it because we've
got more for you, guys. You're welcome coming up on Friday,
We've got part two of our Hannah and interview because.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
We just couldn't get enough of her.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
We had to keep the conversation going and we know
you guys want to hear a whole lot more from her,
So Friday we'll be back.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
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