A Look Back: The Jed Wyatt Interview

We’re looking back at one of the most iconic episodes of Bachelor Happy Hour ever. “The Bachelorette’s” Jed sits down for his first in-depth interview since After the Final Rose – and he’s not holding anything back.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm Rachel and I'm Allie and welcome you guys to
a very special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Very special edition.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
It is Ali because normally when we bring you a
new podcast, we bring it to you every week, but
sometimes if something big happens, which is what we promised
you when we have breaking news, we will bring it
to you, and that's what we're bringing to you right
now in this extra special edition.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Rachel is in New York, so she's calling in.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey Rachel, Yeah, Alie, I could not miss this.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I know, I know, we really knew that you all
have so many questions about Jed and the Hannah situation,
and we wanted to get answers for you guys, so
we decided instead of waiting until next week for our podcast,
and we were going to have this special I guess
we'd like to say emergency edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour,
so you guys can get your questions answered. Jed flew

(00:48):
in last night to Los Angeles and he is coming.
He's sitting down with us. Actually he's sitting right across
from you right now, so let me not talk about
him like he's in the third person. Jed welcome to
our podcast. Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Thank you all so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, we know you're tired, we know you're exhausted.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We don't want to take up a whole lot of
your time, but we definitely just want to get right
to it.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Right Ali, Yes, all right, Okay, So I think first,
just to start it off, what do you want people
to know right now?

Speaker 7 (01:26):
I think the main thing really is just how how
sorry I am.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
You know, I've just.

Speaker 7 (01:34):
Really had time to think about the things that have
happened and how Hannah has felt, and you know, I'm
very remorseful and ultimately just want to become a better
person because of all this, and that's really my main
thing right now.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
But Jed, you know, we we I saw your interview
on GMA, we watched it. We saw you on AFR
where you apologized, and I feel like that.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
That's what we've gotten from you.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
You seem very sincere, you seem very remorseful about the
whole situation and how it went down, and we understand
that absolutely. I feel like there's more to it. We've
heard you apologize, but we haven't heard your side of
the story, and we really want to give you a
chance for you to just speak freely and tell your

(02:25):
side of what happened, because I don't think anybody's heard
it to this point.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, and Jed too.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I want to say, like, I want you to feel
comfortable in this situation because I feel for you, Oh
my goodness, like you have been like I what you
did obviously is wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know that, right.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
You apologize for it very sincerely, I believe, And I
don't even fault you.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
For going on the show for your music.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I've been very vocal about this since the notion that
people go on the show because they want to have
a good time. Nobody goes on the show thinking they're
going to fall in love and then they do and
they're like, oh my gosh, this works.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
I can't believe it works. So I don't fault you.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
If I had a music career now in the Bachelor
asked me to come on, I'd be like to my husband, Hey,
can you just hang tight because I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Go on a Bachelor. So I don't even fault you
for that. But that's what I think.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think, Like, like, where do you feel like it
kind of all really messed up, really got messed up
for you, like, just talk us through all of it.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
So, like I like I told Hannah, you know I did.
I did show up because I knew it was a platform.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
I knew that.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
It had a lot of opportunities for adventure. And then
coming out of it, you know, all the people that
I've seen seem like they have like a pretty amazing life.
So that was all very intriguing to me. I was
reached out to to do the show, I didn't sign up,
and I just really felt like it was something I
was supposed to do. It just landed in my lap.

(03:49):
And you know, once I was there and I saw
how emotional Hannah was and how passionate she was about
the whole thing, it kind of hit me. I was like,
I can remember it. I believe it was like within
the second week that you know, this is real, This
is a this is a real person. Though I don't
know her that well, we haven't had much time to talk,

(04:10):
I can see that her heart really.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Is in this.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
And that was kind of the turning point for me
that I was like, you know what, I want to
really investigate this more, and you know, going forward, I
could feel myself falling so I wanted to be honest
with her, and if that meant her sitting me home immediately,
then so be it. But I wanted her to know
the honest truth as to why I showed up. And

(04:35):
you know, going forward, you know, people ask me now, like,
you know, you were so honest about that, why weren't
too honest about the whole Haley situation? And in my head,
you know, I had more closure than Haley. I felt like,
you know, we had a conversation on the phone once
I landed in LA and we knew that I was

(04:56):
stepping into a very unforeseen future that anything could happen.
We had talked about all the variables and you know,
be that like if they wanted me to be a
bachelor or something, or paradise or anything falling in love,
like it was all discussed and understood that you know,
who knows, right?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
So was that's a great, great question. I love that
you just shared that, because then let's look at the
I love you right before? So was that like a
goodbye I love you?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was?

Speaker 7 (05:25):
Yeah. I really did care for Haley. You know, we
we had a great time together. Obviously, going on the show,
there was not stable ground to actually commit to an
exclusive relationship together like we just we never did that.
So I mean I did love her, I did care
for her. She's a great person. I will not talk

(05:47):
bad about her. There's nothing bad to be said. But
in my head, we had more closure than I think
she did. I felt like we had more closure than
I guess she did. So, you know, going into the journey,
it wasn't crossing my mind because you know, I felt
like we understood that anything could happen.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, I mean, obviously, go ahead, Rachel.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, I just want to ask you this just piggybacking
on what you mentioned before.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
When you left that note to Haley and you make.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Comments that are like you know where my heart will
be and I'll see you at the dock. That sounds
like you're trying to you plan on returning to her.
So if that's how you left her, how do you
explain that? What does that mean?

Speaker 7 (06:34):
I think actually, I know I was just really kind
of talking out of my ass. I don't really know
why I would say something like that when you know,
I didn't know what I was getting into at all.
Like I had not watched collectively, I've probably seen maybe
three episodes of the show in my life. I had

(06:55):
no idea what I was getting into, and you know,
just I thought I was showing up for a platform,
and then I met Hannah and completely fell in love
and I was like, you know, wow, this is like
completely unexpected.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So but Jed, yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
So I'll just preface this by saying I don't agree
with Ali.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I have a different view of how I.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Interpret the situation. Sure, and so when you say I
too as well. Did not watch the show before I
was on it, But I understood that the concept of
the show, which I'm I'm sure you did too as well, right,
I understood that how the show works.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
For the for the most part, I thought I understood.
But you know, it's one of those things that want
even even if you think you get it, once you're there,
it's a completely different situation.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
And I get that.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I know the show is about people are finding love
at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
You did know that, right, yep?

Speaker 7 (08:00):
Go ahead, Jed, Yeah, absolutely, Like I could see that entirely.
But it's like I had no idea that it would
actually be possible in that setting, like it just would
you when even with watching like I didn't watch the
show much because to me, it didn't seem real. Like
when you watch the edits and you see how people

(08:20):
act and react, it looks like it looks fake. And
I had people in my ear prior to the show
telling me it's scripted, that there's going to be people
coming at you trying to fight you. On night one, like,
I had all these variables going through my head and
I had literally no idea what I was getting into.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
So I'm and I.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Think that's fair Jed, Like I will say, and you
know that I went on the show thinking it was
BS like I didn't think that I was actually I mean,
I did fall in love with Jason Mesnick' story again
this is way back in the day, but like, again.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Did not.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I think most people don't go on the show for love,
and that's the truth.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So I truly don't fault you for it. And I
think that's interesting. I think a lot of viewers watched
the show and wonder is it scripted?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Is it fake? And it's not.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
But you don't realize that until you get there. You
don't realize that the emotions are real, the feelings are real.
So I feel that I think jed for me like
I have been, and maybe people get mad at me
for this, I've actually been quite a cheerleader for you,
you like, in terms of I don't blame you for
going on the show for music. When you came out
with that information to Hannah, I was like, heck, yes,
finally somebody says the truth. They didn't come on the.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Show for love.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
So I actually really appreciated that. I think for me
where all sort of fell apart was I know you
say you didn't want to tell Hannah out of fear,
but when you had to have realized when the information
came out at that point, the fear is kind of
out the window. I mean, so why then still were

(09:53):
you sort of not being completely because even when you
sat down with her, not after the final rows, before that,
I feel like you were trying to talk your way.

Speaker 7 (09:59):
Aroun That was one of the hardest conversations I've had
in my life. And if it seemed like I was
dancing around anything, it was simply because there were cameras
in my face and I'm sitting there with someone that
I wanted to spend the rest of my life with,
feeling like it's falling apart and not knowing how to
handle it.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
It was just so much.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Did you not watch it?

Speaker 7 (10:22):
I've I couldn't. To be honest, I couldn't do it.
I mean this has all been so much, and especially
going into you know, it was first aired when you know,
right before I went to after the Final Rose, and
I was in my trailer, so I couldn't watch it live,
so I just walked in there kind of blind.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah. I mean I think we saw some emotion.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
You know, you said I don't want to cry, and
we saw a few tears, but I think what we
really wanted to see, like as a viewer, was your
fighting for the woman that you love in that point.
Do you feel you gave it your all to say
that relationship?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (11:02):
I mean I had let her know that I would
you do anything. I would come to LA to Alabama.
I would have done like literally anything to sit down
and have a conversation with her. And this is you know,
prior to or this is after the where she broke
the engagement. Leading up to that point, she didn't want
to talk. She needed space and I understood that. So

(11:25):
I mean I would have done literally anything.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, did did your family your family had to have
known about Haley, right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
I mean they knew exactly what we were and they
knew that it was not a relationship.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
They knew they knew like every bit of it.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh, because I assume maybe when during your hometown that
the reason they were hesitant is because they're like, well, wait,
he was just in another relationship. Like did your sister,
your mom, or anybody off camera say, hey, whoa, you
were just in a relationship. No.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
The only thing they were saying to me off camera
was is this real? Do you really feel this way?
They were just skeptical to the whole, Like there's cameras around,
there's lights, there's people running around our house. I walk
in with a girl I'm filling head over heels about
and they were just totally blown away. It wasn't like

(12:15):
when I watched back on that, especially with the whole
Haley thing coming out, I can see where people would
say they knew or it felt like they were acting
the way they did because of that, and that was
not the case at all. Like I talked to them after,
I was like, be honest with me, was any of

(12:35):
this because of that situation?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
And it just wasn't well, then, Jed, why did Hannah
say when she was sitting with you in the house
and you all were discussing the People magazine and Haley
and everything with that, Why did Hannah say, no, wonder
your family was acting like that? Because obviously it's something
that she felt as well.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Absolutely, I think it was just the to the moment
and that discussion, because like I said, it was the
hardest conversation that we have ever had and.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
The weight of it.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
I can see where she would be led to feel
that way, but I know for a fact that that
wasn't the case.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Jed.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Let me ask you this, and I'm going to go
back a bit because I told you, Ali and I
have differing views on how this whole thing played out.
When I am like you, I came onto the show skeptical,
didn't believe it could work out, but was open to
whatever opportunity presented itself, whether that be love, whether that

(13:40):
be friendship, whether that be a platform after this, like
you said, and I think that's how most people come
on the show. I think what gets me about the
way you came on the show, coupled with the messages
that we saw from Haley, is that you admit that
you came on the show with different motives. You came

(14:01):
on the show technically to deceive Hannah, right, You just
happened to fall in love with her as the show
went on, and you were pleasantly surprised. So I guess
my question, and maybe this is a burning question for
a lot of people out there, how did you envision
this going?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Like?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
How far were you willing to take it to grow
your platform? Because that was your initial intention to come
on the show.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
What I had told a lot of people prior to
going on this show, like all my friends, was you
know that I am open, like you said, to anything
that could happen, and if it was love, I just
I would tell everyone I just don't see that happening.
There's no way that that could happen in that setting.

(14:48):
I was open to the idea, though, And were you Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I mean, did Haley know that?

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Because I just feel like everything that you've said has
been I came on for the platform. I've never heard
you say that you were open to finding love on
the show.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
So I just want to be clear.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
Right, Well, God knows if it's still there or not.
But when I had my interviews in Nashville when they
kind of did like my hometown.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Piece think.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
When I was interviewed there, I can remember being asked
if or if I thought that it would be possible
to fall in love there, and I remember being just like,
you know, I'm open to it. I just I doubt it.
I just I didn't believe in it. I didn't think
it was going to be possible, and my heart was

(15:42):
open to it, and I talked to multiple people and
said that I was open to the idea of it.
I just didn't feel like it was feasible.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
So and I think another question that people want to
know is if you came on the show for a platform,
why didn't you just go on American Idol or the
voice I have?

Speaker 7 (16:03):
You know, I was it just landed in my lap.
I mean, like I said, it wasn't like I was
out scouting for TV shows to go onto. I was,
you know, I was happy, I was living life and
I was reached out to to do it and it
just kind of landed in my lap. So I felt
like it was kind of a god thing and I
just ran with it.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's fair, do you My one thing I've really been
wondering because I really think about Haley and this, right
she it seems like her.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Heart was broken in this. Absolutely have you talked to her.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
We have ran into each other and passing and talked briefly,
but I haven't had the chance to like really go
into any of this.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I want, where where did you see each other?

Speaker 5 (16:45):
We ran into each other at a bar and.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
What like what was said? Because it was this before
after she gave her story.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
This was before she gave her story. Oh right, So.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
She came up to me and you know, we're surrounded
by people. This is like right when I got back
from the show. I believe one episode had played at
this point, and people were like videoing me standing there.
I was trying to have some conversation with my friends,
and she walked right up to me and she was like,
you know, you weren't going to call you weren't going

(17:18):
to like say anything, And I just told her that
I didn't feel like this was the time or place
to have this conversation. And after that I kind of
discussed with Hannah that she had been I had heard
that she was throwing fits at bars and like throwing
beer bottles and like making a scene, so I knew

(17:39):
she was obviously pissed and rightfully so, and I felt
like that was the point where I wanted to like
say something, and.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
So Hannah to Haley.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
So I discussed with Hannah that I think that I
should have this conversation with her. And Hannah was, you know,
kind of brushing it off and making jokes about it.
But we came to terms that I should just give
her a call. So I did give Haley a call,
and she ignored it and never called me back.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Oh okay, So I guess my question is, then, at
that point, were you afraid that you heard that.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Haley was causing a scene, you know, in Nashville.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Were you afraid at that point that maybe she might
do something bigger?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Did you think she might go to the press?

Speaker 7 (18:27):
I really honestly didn't think. So.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Okay, So you said that you talked to Hannah prior to.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Maybe I think and correct me if I have the
timeline wrong.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
But maybe a couple of days after the proposal you
told Hannah about this girl Haley.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
No, actually I told her the morning after our engagement,
and we were laying in bed and we started disgusting
or disgusting talking about our past relationships and I ran
her through literally everything that I have done, like my mistakes,

(19:06):
this the stages of just like sleeping around the people
I loved, thought I love like. We talked about everything.
I'd never been honestly so open about my past as
someone ever felt like I even could. I was just
I felt like I could be completely open. So we
talked about that and when we talked about Hailey, but

(19:28):
I really gave more so my perspective on our relationship.
And I could see now, like I can see now
that I was not being mindful to how Haley was feeling.
I was giving my side, my closure, my idea, but

(19:48):
without thinking about how she might.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Have been feeling in the situation.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
And you know now I see that she was hurt
and that you know my behavior and words at times
we're misleading. But like I said, in my head, I
felt like we had said our goodbyes and known that
or knew that I was going to step into this
unforeseen future.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I think the hard part is with that is and
this is the thing. You're twenty five, right, You're twenty five.
You're a musician. You know in Nashville when I was
twenty five, I mean, when I was twenty.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Five, I was the bechel Ritte. But right before that,
you know, I'm going out, I'm partying, I'm dating guys.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I'm dating multiple guys, like you know, I think Rachel's
actually talked about this.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Why we think that, maybe.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
You know, it's the age on the show should be
a higher age because at that age you're still kind
of stall having fun, right, So I get all of
that completely.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think what the hard part.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Is to understand is the saying like I'll wait for
you to meet you at the dock or I remember
what you said, and then thinking that that was and
then going and telling Hannah you know you thought that
it was over right, Like, I don't understand. I can't
connect those two things, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (21:07):
And I think a lot of.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
People listening are and I think that same thing. So
I want to give you the opportunity to sort of
explain that, right.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
I would really like to touch on the dock. And
a lot of people will probably not believe this, but
if you went to Haley and even asked her, she
would tell you the truth on this, I would hope.
But the doc is a metaphorical think for meditation that
I taught her.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
That's what it was.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
It was not a physical doc, and to the public eye,
it's going to look like an actual doc. And when
I read that note back, I was like, damn it,
that looks like I'm saying, let's meet at this dock.
But I practiced meditation. I'm passionate about it. It was
something that I taught her to do to go to
this dock in her mind and to like sit there
and be at peace.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
And that's that's what that was.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I wish you came out and said that right away,
because that's so interesting, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
I think I just like, when I read it back,
I was like, there's no way anyone would ever believe
me on this, but it's the truth.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Like it's the truth.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
I would take a light detector test, like I would
do anything like to say or to prove that that
is true. And I know that Haley, you know, despite
all this and her anger and being hurt, I know
she would tell the truth and say that that was
a metaphor.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, I actually believe you. I'm looking at you, staring.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
You directly in the eyes, and I can tell you're
telling the truth. Right now, So I a one hundred
percent believe you, and I think that does make it different.
Like I think I'm glad you're getting the opportunity to
share that because I think saying you've been very clear
that you loved her, or at least what you thought
was love at the time, and saying I'll meet you
at the dock, and seeing that's a meditation point like that,
I can see that as almost like a goodbye.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I'm kind of doing this unknown, like I don't know
what's going to happen for us.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
I see that now, But what I didn't I didn't
see it when I thought you were literally meeting her at.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
A doc I know.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
And that's what like when I read the note back,
I was like God, like, literally everyone is going to
think this and not.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Believe this, But well, sorry, Jed, go ahead, no, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
You have to understand that. The first sentence before that
is you know where my heart will be?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Do you feel like you owe Haley an apology? And
are you going to talk to her?

Speaker 7 (23:15):
I really just need time to digest everything that has happened. Obviously,
it's been a lot. It's been a lot for Hannah.
It's been a lot for our famili has been a
lot for me, and you know, I would like to
say my piece to.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Her, but it would just take time. I just need time.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, Once you proposed to Hannah and then the next
day you told Hannah about Hailey, then you went home,
were you like, oh god, what like I have to
tell Haley something like why.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Did you decide to ghost her?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I guess I'm more thinking, did you ever think at
some point I have to confront Haley again?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
I felt like I had closure. It's like, it's clear
to me that she did not at all. Obviously, but
due to our discussions about me stepping into this unforeseen
future and that anything could happen, I really and honestly
assumed that, you know, it was understood that whatever happens happens,

(24:22):
and we wanted the best for one another.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
So you truly felt like I just want to be
clear that when you since you whatever happens happened, and
what happened was so you were engaged to Hannah. You
felt like the door was closed with Haley at that
point and you didn't know her an explanation.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
Like I said, again, we had closure over the phone.
I kind of thought that that was what it was like.
We knew that anything could happen, and we wanted the
best for each other, and not out of disrespect, not
out of like hate or anger. We just understood that,
you know, anything could happen. And I mean, I now

(25:04):
see that I was, you know, well, I wasn't like
wrong for feeling how I felt because I cared about
her and I told her that and I was clearly
open about that to her. But I can see how
she's hurt. Like I understand all of that.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Jedda, I believe you, and I guess the reason I
just I feel so much for you in the situation
is because I could have been in your situation because
I have been very open that I had a boyfriend
before I went on the show. He treated me like
dirt and cheated on me like every weekend. But I
couldn't get out of the relationship, so I went on
The Bachelor to get out of that relationship to help

(25:41):
me move on. I think the last text I sent
before I went on the show was I love you
to him. I'm actually pretty sure it was. So I
think people are going to have a hard time understanding
and I don't because again, I've been in your shoes
kind of, but people are still and I feel like
I'm trying to put words in your mouth, but I
feel like I understand that, whereas people listening are going

(26:04):
to be like, I still don't get it. You don't
say I love you, and you know what I said before,
I'll meet you at the dock or whatever something else,
you know where my heart, my heart.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Will be at the dock, Like, well, where was the
text message that said whatever happens happens.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Where was the text? I think that's where people get lost.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Where's the text message that says, you know, I'm open
to whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
We have an understanding.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's what's lacking, right, And I think that's what's hard
for people to understand.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm not saying that I doubt you, Jed.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I'm just saying that, you know, when it comes to
the hard facts and the evidence, we only see lawyer
Rachel that Hale oh yeah, side that Hailey's bringing. But
I will say that I truly do believe that you
fell in love with Hannah on the show, and I
think Ali and I both agree with that.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I believe you fell in love with her.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I believe that you got scared when when you know
by the love that you were feeling, and then by
knowing what you had left at home, and you just
kind of it seems like you just panicked and thought,
I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear, right.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
I'll say this, I don't think you have to be
in a labeled relationship to love someone.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
I really don't. And that was the case.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
And I'm also confused as to why everyone thinks that
has to be in text for it to have been
a conversation. We had conversation, face to face, conversation about
what could happen, and just because it's not out there
in a text message doesn't mean that that wasn't the case.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
So have you thought about reaching out to Haley and
being like, hey, like you, can you come forward with
the truth, because what you're saying is necessarily not you know,
Can you say these conversations? Can you let people know
that we had these conversations? You've thought about just asking
her that because you're obviously being very.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Nice about her. You say she's a great girl.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You're not going to say anything bad. So I'm guessing
she's pretty pissed at you. But have you considered just
being like, hey, do you mind sharing that other side
of the story. I get that you were hurt when
you saw I went on the show and actually did,
because she's probably hurt that you did fall in love.
I'm sure she didn't think you would and she thought
you were coming home to her. That seems like that's
the scenario here. So have you thought about reaching out

(28:28):
to her about that?

Speaker 7 (28:29):
I think that was in her mind the best case scenario,
and I honestly have not. I didn't consider reaching out
because my relationship with Hannah was my number one priority.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, I have a question for you, Jed. I personally
am not as sympathetic to Haley, just to be honest,
because if you guys had this understanding, she knew exactly
what you were going on the show to do as well,
and so at the same time, she's kind of at
fault as well to a point, right, Like, I get

(29:04):
that there weren't truths that were told. I understand all that,
but she agreed for you to go on this show
and to do what you were doing. So I'm not
one hundred percent sympathetic towards.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Some people think she didn't agree, like some people think
that her heart was like broken and off he was going.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
She was very supportive about it.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Oh exactly, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
That says something about her.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
She knew he was going on this show, she knew
that he was going to use the show initially as
a platform for his music, and she was okay with it.
Why is nobody saying that that's a character Faull? I'm
sorry it is. So here's my question to you, Jed.
Do you think that Haley came out because she was
Do you think that Haley came out to speak to

(29:45):
the press because she was hurt, or do you think
she came out to use it as a platform for
her own music.

Speaker 7 (29:52):
I know that she's hurt, but I know also that
there's a good chance that she was seizing the opportunity
as well.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
And of course she was.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yet I mean, and you can't really falter for it
because you did it too.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
And I and I yeah, And another thing I don't
understand is like she waited till I had like two
hundred and fifty thousand followers to come out and say this,
So like, I think it was intended to obviously hurt me.
And what I don't understand is if you know, if
you really do love someone, no matter how promising they've
made it seem. If they're going on a dating show,

(30:29):
regardless of why they're going on a dating show, why
would you stay with them? And like why if for me,
if I was in a relationship, I would not have
gone onto a dating show.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
That's just me.

Speaker 7 (30:41):
I'm I'm not a cheater. And you know, and with
my time with Haley, I did hang out with other people.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
I did.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
I did date other people. I slept with other people,
like I.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
We were not in an exclusive relationship.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Does she know that? Did she know you were sleeping
with other people?

Speaker 7 (30:56):
No, because there was no We'd never had conversation, you know,
saying this was this? You know, we we had never
committed to being in an exclusive relationship. She's rightfully hurt,
and I see that. I understand that. But the facts
are the facts, whether she wants to come forward with
it or not, there was conversation and clarity on my

(31:18):
on my palf.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
What about these reports that once you got back from
filming you were hooking up and flirting with other women
while you were still engaged to Hannah.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Is any of that true?

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Is it maybe the case that y'all had already broken up,
because according to Hannah, you guys broke up June eighteenth,
so or ended the engagement. I should say you guys
ended the engagement June eighteenth. Is there any truth that
after that maybe you decided, Okay, well we're done. Maybe
I'll just, you know, see what else is out there.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
My heart was broken?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
No, okay, yeah, I can see the look on your face,
and that that's factual.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I want to ask you this question too, before we
get into things that happened after AFR. And I'm thinking
of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things that people
have wondered about you, and now you have your chance
to talk about and like Allie and I said at
the beginning, we want to give you that space to
do that. Once you told Hannah that you initially came
on the show for your music, why at that point

(32:29):
did you continue to play your music and showcase it
throughout the show.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
I am so glad that you asked this question.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Good.

Speaker 7 (32:39):
So, when I brought my guitar to the show, I
actually had no idea that I was going to be
able to play as much as I did. I brought
it to have something to do in my downtime. Obviously,
it's my passion.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (32:51):
I knew that I would be writing in my downtime,
and there's you know, there's times that I would be
like writing a song for Hannah, and you know, someone
from production would hear it.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
I would play it for them.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
They're like, you should play that for her, And then
I was lucky enough to get to do that on
multiple occasions. I never would have dreamed that I got
to do it as much as I did. And I
can see where people are like, you're showcasing. You're showcasing
your showcasing, when really it was me being given the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Given the opportunity to do to play.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
But I mean, I guess, can't you understand how, you
know what I just told this girl that I came
on this show to use my music, to use this
platform to showcase my music, and now here you are
showcasing your music every opportunity that you can get, at
least what we saw in watching it. I mean all
the way from the very beginning of stepping out of

(33:44):
the limo to the proposal at the end, So you
can understand, how did it never cross your mind?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
You know? What maybe I have to just put the
guitar down and talk to her.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Prior to me telling Hannah to about how I came
from music, she told me that when I when I
showed up, she was skeptical about the fact that, you know,
I played guitar for a night one and that she
kind of felt like, oh, this is just another guy
here for music. But up to this point, I can
tell that you're here for me, and that was edited

(34:13):
out and that was before I even told her anything,
and I was like, Wow, it's crazy that you just
said that, because then I told her my piece why
I showed up, so she could tell that my emotion
had completely flipped and that I was there for her
at this point, and on that date.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
I was unaware of it.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
But they brought my guitar and they put it in
another room and Hannah, after we had talked and she
gave me the rose, led me into this room where
my guitar was and she wanted me to play her
a song. And I happened to have wrote a song
the night before, so she she liked when I played
and wanted me to play. And even after the show

(34:53):
when we were engaged, she was very encouraging and wanted
me to bring my guitar and wanted me to play
for her. And you know that mail lot to me something.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
I love It was your love language.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, absolutely, it is your love language. Well, love language
is that, Well, it's how he expresses himself. I mean,
you're a writer, because honestly, I think you express yourself.
I think watching back sometimes I'd be like, Chad, I
just want to see more emotion out of you, and
you're a very like kind of chill guy, and I

(35:23):
mean I don't want to put words in your mouth,
but the way I saw it, it was like, that's
how you express yourself.

Speaker 7 (35:28):
Right, I mean, yeah, it's been like that since I
was little. I've been I started on piano when I
was just like five years old. That's just always been Yeah,
it's great outlet.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's interesting that you bring up that Hannah like asked
you to play for her, like she like enjoyed that,
So I'm sure that encouraged you to do it more,
knowing that it's something that she really liked that you did.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (35:51):
Yeah, And there was times that like I didn't want
to play because I was like, I don't want her
to feel like this. I don't want her to feel
like this, and her and I had conversations. She never
felt that way. You never felt like I was showcasing.
I can see where the world would would say that,
because it's like almost every episode I came walking up
with that guitar, and I saw so many memes like
here comes to Jet with that damn guitar.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
I actually got a guitar, many guitar to the podcast
with me. But no, I'm in look out there.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I know a lot of people are just gonna I
feel for you, like in a lot of the situation,
I definitely think you mess like dub And I've said
this already at the beginning.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I'm you messed up with not being super honest about Haley.
And I know you kind of.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Think you were, but you weren't, you know, And I
understand that that came from fear. But I don't blame
you for the guitar, soft for any of that other stuff.
Like I said, But one thing I do want to
discuss is are you mad at Hannah? Like do you
have anger towards her at this point?

Speaker 7 (36:45):
You know, I'm not angry at all. I think more
than anything, I'm just really sad. I just feel, you
know that, and just like I know she's sad and
hurt too, and I know that she now has her
closure and we'll move on and that's that's that's great.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
But the reason I asked, and this is why I ask,
because people are gonna be like, what do you mean
why would he be mad at Hannah? And the reason
I asked that is because you did like some comments
on Instagram of people saying she slept with you know,
a bunch of guys.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Two guys, Why did you do that?

Speaker 7 (37:17):
I tapped the comment to go see if he was
replying to someone, and I liked it.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
You tapped the comment to see if who was replying.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
The comment rolled into my notifications. I tapped it. Wherever
I tapped it, it liked it.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Period.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Did you not realize that?

Speaker 7 (37:34):
Or I had no idea until someone sent me an
article to be like. They were like, why did you
do that? And I was like, oh shit, Like I
didn't mean to do that, wasn't I don't want to
feel that way. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's
like not easy to hear the things that I've heard
watching back on the season. You know, it's like a
really weird thing to see someone that you love so
much be so open about other people.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Are you referring to the windmill?

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Absolutely? Yeah, it's like it's it's hard to hear.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
I know that's the name of the game, that's the show,
but it's not easy to hear when it's so. That
was a mistake, but I'll own it. I did like it.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
How many comments did you like like that? Was that
the only one?

Speaker 5 (38:18):
I don't know?

Speaker 4 (38:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (38:24):
I mean, that's the only one I'm aware of. That's
the only article I've seen.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, I mean, I get that that could be a mistake.
I mean, but I also get and the reason I
thought maybe he did like it is I understand how
hurtful that would be, you know, I being a past specheler,
I can say that if my who cares about my story.

(38:51):
But if my top three guy hadn't left me, I
would have slept with more than one person in the
fantasy suite.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
I would have.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I didn't because my guy left me, but I would
have because I know how important physical intimacy is on
the show, And if you're about to get engaged with someone,
you probably want to know, like, do you have a
physical connection. Yeah, but I also putting myself in the
other people shoes because I left Top four when I
was a contestant. That has got to sting. And I

(39:18):
get that you have a lot of wrongs and you know,
but it's still your human being and that's got to
hurt too. Like, what did you did you feel anything
when she's talking about two times in the windmill?

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Right? Well, it was actually four times.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Well, but she said two times, you guys are already
broken up. When she said four times, you'd already.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Split up, but you are engaged when the two times thing?
Or had you already split up? We had been split
up at that point, So how did you feel?

Speaker 7 (39:47):
It was just, you know, I knew about Peter at
that point. I didn't know the details. I didn't care
to know the details because you know, I just don't
really love to hear about that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Yeah, but it's just weird, you know, it's weird.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
I think it would be weird for just about anyone
to see someone that you care about a lot be
open and talk about sleeping with someone else. And you know,
that's her role and this was her journey and she's
not wrong for doing it like there's nothing really wrong
with it, but it does stink, you know. Just there's

(40:27):
not really anything you can do to prepare yourself to
watch someone you care about be open about that.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, Allie asks you if you were angry at Hannah,
But I guess my question is, can you blame Hannah
for the way that she's reacted since finding out everything
she did about Hayley?

Speaker 7 (40:52):
Absolutely not. She was very straightforward about how she wanted
honesty and openness from the very beginning, from night one,
she was open about that, so I can see entirely
how and why she feels the way she feels right
now or felt.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I want to follow up on something you said on GMA.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
You know, when you were talking to Michael Strahan, you
said to him that you had discussed.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
With Hannah Hayley.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
But did your discussions mirror the article that came out
in People magazine.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
There was details in the article that, like I said before,
I wasn't even considering her side or her feelings. I
told her pretty much from my perspective what we were
and what it felt like, without considering how she was feeling.
And that's my fault, and I'll own up to it.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I want to give you an opportunity to clear things up,
because this is the first time you've really been able
to just talk freely. You know, it's not a TV segment,
it's an open conversation, and so I guess i'd also
ask you, is there something yet that we haven't addressed
that you want to clear up? Because everyone's been asking
or assuming certain things.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I think at this point you can assume that if
there's a sick eleton in your closet, it's going to
come out.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
At this point, absolutely, there's no I mean, I feel
like We've touched a lot of the points that I've
ever wanted to make that I've kept quiet over because
all I wanted to do is mend the relationship with Hannah.
I didn't come out and defend myself immediately.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
I could have.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
I could have came out and did any I could
have defended myself off the bat with the Haley situation
and spoke just on behalf of that. But what was
important to me was Hannah and trying to fix that.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
And that's that's just it.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Have you guys spoken since after the final rows at all?
Or is your contact completely cut off?

Speaker 7 (42:48):
We haven't spoken, and you know, I feel like down
the road we could have friendship. I mean, she's great
and we have always got along, we have a great time.
I think she's an amazing woman. She's strong, she killed
her role at this. I mean, you can't ask for
someone to be more passionate, more open, and she did

(43:15):
everything in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Great.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
She did great, and I just I hope down the
road that we can be friends.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Do you think her and Tyler are going to end
up together? How do you feel about that situation?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (43:31):
Kind of, Like I said on Good Morning America, I
just had a weird feeling going into after the final
rows that something like that could happen. Tyler's an amazing guy.
I don't fault her for saying what she did or
asking him.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Or has your relationship with any of the guys changed
with all this coming out or have they been supportive?
Because do you talk to the guys.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
I could not have asked for, honestly, a better group
of people to go into this with. They've been supportive
and high to me and you know, obviously offering their
opinions on the situation, and you know, telling me things
that you know are helpful and they've I mean they've

(44:14):
they're great friends. I mean, obviously there's a couple that
I don't talk to you as much.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
But yeah, assuming you don't talk to Luke.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So, like, did any of the guys like call you
out and say, hey, Jed, what the heck?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Or were they like what did they say?

Speaker 7 (44:34):
No one called me out. It was it was more
so just Nick Vile. None of the guys on my
season has said anything.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Yeah, because Nicholas, let's expect on that. I don't even
know what you're talking about. What is Nick vild been?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
So let's talk about it. How do you Okay?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
So, I think it's great that you have received support
from the guys from your season. And I'll be honest,
I've talked to several guys for in your season, and
they all have great things to say about you.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Even when I tried to dig and tried to say
but okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Peter, he had great things to say about you.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, and we're like, okay, but maybe this No, They're
like we were.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
We lived with Jed. He's actually a really great guy.
We understand what you've seen in the media.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
We understand, you know, certain things that have popped up
but Jed is really a good person.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Even Hannah said.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
You know, she fell in love with with the goodness,
the good part of you. She knows it's in there
for you and maybe this whole situation will prepare you
for the next person, so she acknowledges it as well.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
But since you brought up Nick Vile, what what do
you because that's whose season I was on.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
What what do you think about past contestants or past
leads offering their opinion opinion in such a way, because
you obviously feel strongly about things that he has said.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
And I think you know, obviously Rachel and I have
this podcast and we are giving our opinion, so we're
our opinion as alumni too. I think the difference is
there's a way to be respectful about it.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Yeah, totally, and you guys do that perfectly in my opinion.
I mean, everyone's entitled their opinion, and with social media,
people are very quick to jump on what's the most
popular thing happening and how they can either use it
to benefit themselves, get retweets, to get retweets.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
To get likes.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
And I understand that I've been as of recently, the
talk of the town, so I see why people are
doing doing that. But it's like, get to know me
before you talk shit. And if you come with my family, like,
don't do that.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Did he do that?

Speaker 7 (46:43):
I've seen him say some some slurs and stuff on
Twitter and it's just, you know, it's like have some respect.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
So you feel like he's doing it to try to
stay relevant.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
Absolutely, are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Oh yeah, well, I mean I'm with you. I uh,
I mean, not with the knick thing. But I think
people are not just social or not just past Bachelor
contestants in general, people have this screen up when they're
on the Internet and feel like they can.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Say whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
And the reason I'm so happy that you're here, Jed,
is because not only have all the guys said great
things about you, Hannah has said great things about you,
despite how hurt she is. I'm you know, we're sitting
here talking to you. We can see that you're a
good person. Of course you're a good person. You just
really fucked up.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
You did. I mean, can you say that right now
that I messed up big time?

Speaker 7 (47:38):
I can see all my faults and like I said,
I'm going to grow from it and it is going
to make me a better person. It just it's crazy
when it's in the public eye that you have to
go through something.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Like this and.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Be open to everyone's opinions and judgment. But you know, absolutely,
I can see all my faults.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, Jed, I think that you learn the hardest lesson
on the biggest stage and it'll be something that you
grow from at the end of the day. Like we
talk about Hannah's strength and everything that she went through,
and she did go through a lot, but at the
same time, you have to be really strong on your end, and.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
She gave that to you.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
When she talked about Grace on the stage, she said,
I know that you have a lot of critics. I
have them too, but I know people are coming down
on you, and I'll even be honest. When when she
was on straight hand and Sarah, she said, I don't
want to say anything about him because so many people
are already coming at him.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
So it takes a lot of.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Strength for you to be able to come sit with
us have these tough conversations. But we thank you for it,
and we thank you for being, you know, strong enough
to tell your side of the story. I do want
to ask you, though, what's next for you? I think
a lot of people want to know what do you
want to do now? Paradise just kidding.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
You know, Really, I just want to take the next
bit and just focus on my spiritual and mental health.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (49:09):
I mean, the weight of all this has been insane,
and you know, I just want to surround myself with
good people and really just work on my soul.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
And I'm glad you brought up mental health. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I think people out there, anyone listening to this right
now who maybe still feels angry with you, is that
we need to think about people's mental health in this
because I cannot imagine how you are feeling and how
you've been feeling and having millions of people just judging
you and saying terrible things about you. That is so hurtful.

(49:48):
And we really need to think about mental health and
what that can do to a person, because I know
you're a strong guy, but that can break anybody.

Speaker 7 (49:56):
Yeah, and I like to think that I am very
you know, mentally strong, like in a lot of situations,
and this has been extremely heavy, and you know, I
want to talk for a second about like other people
going through this. You know, I know that the Blake guy,

(50:17):
he's fucked up and done some shit, and you know,
I just think people need to, like, even though they
don't agree with it or think it's terrible, just have
a little grace because at the end of the day,
like we're humans. I mean, same for Luke. I don't
agree with him, not that, not the slightest bit do
I agree with him, But we're humans where we have

(50:39):
this this thing where it's easy to get caught up
in what people are saying. And sure you can say
that you're not going to look at it or that
you ignore it, but that only goes for so long,
and people need to realize how much words actually can
affect someone's mental health and respect.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
That do you feel for Luke in this situation.

Speaker 7 (50:59):
Now that I've gone through the hate that I've gone through,
you know, like even before I did, like I I
it was just constant memes, constant shots, and you know,
I've even taken some shots at him obviously, Like I
didn't agree with the guy at all. But now that
I have this perspective, I think people just need to
have a little grace for everyone.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Yeah, like you cannot like somebody that's totally okay.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Like, and you can say I don't understand why this
person is here, but saying like they should jump off
a bridge on social media is not okay.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
It's not okay.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's a bit too far.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
So like that, you know that being said, Hannah has been,
you know, being drilled the entire time, the entire season.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
Like yeah, yeah, Luke got it.

Speaker 7 (51:44):
Bad, I got it bad later. But she's had this
judgment the entire time. Yeah, And I don't think there's
anyone in this world that could have handled it the
way she did. She was strong, she held true to herself,
and you can't ask for more than that from someone.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
And I will say I have not agreed with a
lot of the things Hannah has done throughout the season.
I write a blog and on it, I have been
extremely critical of some of the things that she has
done throughout the season, but always in a respectful way,
always in a way of I am behind her. I
don't agree with the way she did this, but I
know she's growing from this, And I think that's the difference.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
You don't have to like everybody, you don't have to
agree with that.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I do like Hannah, but You don't have to agree
with what everybody's doing, but you just have to be
realize they're real human beings like Rachel and I have
been there. I mean, obviously not to the extent that
you have experienced it, but honestly, I was a little
hesitant to do this podcast. And the reason I was
is because I was a bachelor I almost.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
But I remember sitting at my computer and seeing the
terrible things people were saying about me and crying my
eyes out because yes, I'm strong, I've been strong my
whole life, but oh my gosh, one person.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Can only take so much.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
And I didn't want to do this podcast at first
because I thought, oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back
out there to be judged again by Bachelor Nation, which
Bacheloration is incredible, but there's a handful of weeds among
the flowers.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
That really a lot of weeds to dig.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Would you say, Rachel, there's a lot of weeds? Is
that what you said?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, there's a lot of weeds.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
So I mean, Rachel, how do you like? How is
what do you care about?

Speaker 7 (53:15):
So?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
I am a very strong person, but at the same time,
I absolutely have my moments where sometimes this becomes too
much and it gets to me. And I think it's
important to talk about because a lot of times people
do just see me as strong, but this being in
this world has affected me at the same time. And
you know, like Ali said, we've both as leads have

(53:38):
definitely been subject to a lot of criticism. And for
me being the first black bachelorette, I was being criticized
for things that I can't change.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
You know, I'm black. I can't change that.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
You know, I was born that way, and a lot
of the criticism that came to me it was because
of the way that I looked, or stereotype for because
of the way I look that people place on black people.
So it was I knew I would get it, but
as much as you prepare yourself for it, you never
are ready for it. And at the same time, it's

(54:12):
like when people are praising you one second, you're also
going to have.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
The flipping of people criticizing you.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
And it's a hard balance to have and the strongest
person is affected by it. So I think it's really important.
You know that we're having this conversation now and we're
sharing our experiences at how tough. It is. I'm tough
on people too. I'm tough, Jed. I think you handled
this interview quite well.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
I was nervous for you, Jed, because of Rachel.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
I'm very I'm very direct, and I get that sometimes
I fall victim of, you know, going after people without
understanding it or realizing, Hey, Rachel, you know what it's
like to be in that person's shoes and have people
criticizing you for things they don't know or they don't
know the whole story. So I think that it's important

(54:58):
for hello, I'm talking to you, to realize that these
people are We're human, and we mess up and we
make mistakes, and we're making them on the biggest stage.
So at times, give us a break.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Absolutely, Yeah, I mean I.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Do see sometimes I will say, I mean I haven't
read any of Nick's tweets, but people do kind of
jump on the bandwagon of like whatever Bachelor Nation's feeling
and to you know, just kind of follow along with that.
I don't do that, Like if I'm going to tweet
or put something on Instagram, I feel like I'll do
it as Again, I don't agree with this, but I
massage it a little bit. I realize that the person

(55:40):
I'm talking about is me just like me, you know,
like because I've been there, so it's it's hard for
me sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless because they've
been there totally and they know how.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Much it hurts totally.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
And like I've taken shots at Luke on Twitter and
it's like it's just like an easy thing to do,
but it's not right.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Yeah, no, it's it's not always right.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
I definitely say some very blunt things, but I think.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
As long as you're funny, it softens enough.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
See, I'm like again, I always go back to I'm
the mom of this podcast, Like I'm just like, oh,
I always think of that person my son or my daughter,
you know.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
But none of us are perfect. I'm sure at some
point for sure.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Definitely past seasons, I've said some things that were mean,
you know, if I had an opinion, and.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I think you just learned, like you said, I mean,
the whole.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Point of this, I mean, I think your story, Jed
is that nobody is perfect and we all mess up,
all of us. Just you know, we have millions of
people to let us know when.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
We did it. Absolutely, and your mistake you exactly.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
Everyone can change, everyone can grow, and you got to
just focus on that.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Well. I hope people listening to this know that your
mistakes do not define you. And I can say that
sitting with you right now, I can tell and feel
the good energy from you, and I see what Hannah
saw on you stup. But you're human and you've admitted it.
That's what else can you do. And I can say confidently,
I think that whoever you do end up with is
going to be a very lucky girl, because I think

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you're going to be pretty dang and honest with that person.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
You're going to be like it is I just like
I looked at another girl and I saw her cleavage.
I had to tell you because I don't want you
to think I'm lying, like you're going to be really honest.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Jed.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Honestly, it's not easy to do what you're doing right now,
and we really appreciate you telling your story here.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
First.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Absolutely, thank you all for having me.

Speaker 7 (57:33):
You know, it's it's been heavy on my heart to
be able to kind of open up about everything, and
I appreciate you all giving me the opportunity to do that.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Here absolutely, Thank you Jed.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
We definitely wish you the very best in the future,
and we'll see you at the dock.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
I love meditation too, so I love that you do that.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
And I will say to all of you guys listening,
thank you so much for tuning into this very special
edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour. And actually we're gonna
be back with our regular podcast next week and we
have Demi and Caylen from Bachelor in Paradise on the show.
We're gonna talk to Demi about her groundbit breaking Paradise journey,
which is very cool, and how her family reacted to

(58:16):
her telling the world that she had been dating a
woman prior to coming to Paradise.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
And also, you.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Guys, Caylen will be here, and from the looks of it,
she got all caught up in the Blake drama that
is all the talk in Paradise, and we're going to
talk about that with her.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yes, we're gonna we're gonna have grace for Blake, but
we're also gonna call him a jerk and you'll find
out why.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
So in the meantime.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
In the meantime, guys, you can get all the latest
Bachelor Nation news on Bachelornation dot com right now and
follow us on social media because actually, Jed, before we
came into this interview, I like pulled my followers and
asked them what questions we should ask you. So some
of those questions came from my followers.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
And I'm glad you brought that up, Alli, because we
want to hear from you guys, and we want you
to tell us what we like and what you don't
like about the show. So tell us more of that.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
We want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
You can email us at happy Hour at bachelornation dot com,
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Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yes, definitely do that. Send us all the emails we want.
We want all of them.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
So thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
This was really really great, Jed, thank you again, and
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