Ariel Bares It All

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Becca chats with Ariel about her journey with Zach! From navigating his COVID diagnosis in London to a steamy and unforgettable one-on-one date in Estonia at a nudist sauna, Ariel holds nothing back as she shares all the juicy details about her experiences on “The Bachelor” so far. Plus, Ariel is dishing on the heated confrontation between Brooklyn and Kat, and how she stepped up to play mediator.  

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's a Boucher Happy Hour listeners. I'm Becky Kuffern and
I'm writing solo this week because last week I was
under the weather. This week, Michelle is unfortunately under the weather,
so I'm hoping next week we will both be back
ready for action. But I'm excited to be back again
this week. I missed y'all last week, and we have
a very excited episode for you because we have our

(00:25):
guest Arial on this week to get into everything with
her magical one on one date in Estonia, to get
the scoop on her connection with Zak. And she's been
someone who I actually really have enjoyed watching, so I
can't wait to pick her brain about everything. She is
not only levelheaded and mature, but I feel like she

(00:47):
also has this really sarcastic, witty side to her, so
I'm excited to speak with her. I hope you all
can't wait to hear from her too. But before we
bring Ariel on, let's just do a little catchup. It's
been a hot second since I was here with you all.
Life has been good. I am excited to announce that
our house is almost almost to the finish line. We

(01:11):
have been working on it tiresly, and when I say we,
I mean Thomas and I have been just complaining about
it since July. But we are near the finish line.
We probably have like a week or two to go
and then it's just finally unpacking and getting settled. So
we're excited. And speaking of Finnish lines, another fun thing
to share with you all is that Thomas just ran

(01:32):
his first official half marathon in Vegas this past weekend.
We're still here kind of just recuperating and recovering and
letting him rest, but if anyone follows him on social media,
just give him a shout out to tell him congrats.
He actually crushed that half marathon. I was so proud
of him. I actually started tearing up watching him cross
that finish line. But it was very fun to see.

(01:56):
I don't know how many of our listeners out there
are runners themselves. I am personally not so to see
anyone complete a five k or a ten k, or
the half marathon or I mean, damn, the full marathon.
It's just so incredible and inspiring to me. So to
all of those Las Vegas runners who just did the
half marathon this past weekend, congrats to you. While y'all

(02:20):
crushed it. It was such a fun atmosphere, and that's
a little bit about our life right now. Nothing too
wild and crazy. But let's get into our little show
recap because that's obviously what we're here for. And this

(02:41):
week was fun. We saw the cast and crew had
to Estonia. It looked beautiful, and I feel like it
was a great fresh start for them because they finally
got their bachelor back. Of course, he was sick last week,
which I can't even imagine being on a season where
a bachelor had COVID and was out for a week,
because you already go through very very long periods of

(03:03):
time without seeing the lead during certain weeks, and so
to go for some of these women, they barely saw
him for two weeks. I can't even imagine how good
that was being in a fresh city, a fresh country,
ready to rock and roll with their bachelor. So let's
get into it. It started off on a high note.
I was so glad to see our girl Charity finally

(03:25):
get that one on one date in person. I feel
like it's been a long time coming and I was
hoping she would get that date. I was like, damn,
if he starts this week without giving Charity a date
when she missed it last week. I'm going to be
so bummed. But she got that date card and before
she goes on the date, I would say probably like

(03:45):
the most drama that took place of that episode took
place in those first couple of minutes and that is
when miss Kat stole Zach before heading out with Charity.
And I actually am really interested to get everyone let's
take on this, So for all of our listeners, please
DM Boucher Happy Hour, DM Me'm I like actually want

(04:07):
to do a poll on Instagram to see people's thoughts
on this on if they thought this was a terrible move,
if they thought it was an okay move. I'm kind
of torn. I think in any scenario when somebody steals
the lead like that, of course it's going to ruffle feathers.
Of course it's going to bother people. But I think,

(04:29):
given to like this heightened situation where Charity had already
missed a one on one last week, it was finally
her time to chat with him, and like we'll not
even chat, like go on this full date with him.
I think the timing on Cat's part was very much off,
but We've seen scenarios and I've lived through this too
during my time on The Bachelor, where you know timing,

(04:53):
you kind of have to make the most of the
timing and it's not always conducive to like what everyone
else wants. And so whether it's stealing somebody during a
cocktail party or even stealing somebody in the middle of
the row ceremony, I mean, like I had flashbacks twin
Crystal still are during a row ceremony one week. I
feel like it's always gonna piss people off. I understand that,

(05:17):
and so I can understand why some of the women,
Brooklyn in particular, were very vocal about why that wasn't
the right move. But for me too, I'm kind of
coming at the standpoint of like it seemed a little
bit blown out of proportion, and maybe that's just me.
And again, like I would love to hear everyone's thoughts

(05:38):
on this, because you know, it is what it is.
You do have to make the most of it. And
at the end of the day, like when Kat did
steal Zach, he seemed to love it and he seemed
to appreciate it. It didn't seem like there was that
much time that she stole him for like, it seemed
pretty quick. He came back right away then went on

(06:00):
lovely romantic date with Charity, And so that's how I'm
looking at it. It's like if Zach didn't mind it
and liked it and appreciated that bold move, like that's
all that it really comes down to you. I think
I was also thinking like the week before when Zach
was sick, we saw a scenario where Katie stuck out
of her room and went to go talk to him

(06:21):
and spent some time with him just through the door,
and she probably had way more time with him during
that moment, but because the women didn't know about it,
it wasn't that big of a deal. But like, the
situation still somewhat the same, where people are going out
of their way to steal time with him. But all
of that being said, I did feel like it was

(06:43):
not the right time. I did feel for a Charity
where she's so excited to finally see this guy again
and she's been long awaiting this date, and you know
she's has to be left waiting a little bit longer.
So all this to say, we are happy that Charity
finally had this date with Zach. It seemed very romantic.
I like Charity. I have been a fan of Charity

(07:05):
since we had her on the podcast a few weeks ago.
You all know my take and Michelle Steake we started
a hashtag charity for Bacherette. So I'm glad she finally
had her moment and was able to just spend finally
uninterrupted time with him. So that was the first state
to kick off Estonia. We obviously then get into the

(07:27):
group date, which had some witchy juju vibes. It was
a very interesting choice for a group date. I feel
like we see the women go into the middle of
the forest and they are saging each other and they're
looking through candlelight into Zach's eyes. I mean, it is

(07:50):
what it is. I think like the main thing that
we all took away from this date was the fact
that like it seemed off with Captain Brooklyn there. So yeah,
group date was an interesting one. And then that night
we saw Jess go home, which I don't think anyone
was expecting. It seemed pretty abrupt. So Jess was one

(08:13):
of the last women who had not had a one
on one so much so that it really got to
her and she brought that up to Zach that night,
obviously we saw her go home, and to me, it
was an interesting conversation because I feel like Zach kind
of flip flopped like in his responses during that conversation
when Jess brought up like wanting that an uninterrupted time

(08:36):
and spending that quality time to get to know someone
like I totally could see where she's coming from. Very
valid points. You, of course at this point want to
form a strong connection, which they necessarily hadn't, and at
one point Zach was like, well, it's not just about
the one on one time, and like, I feel like
we have a great connection, so I'm going off of that.
But then at the end of the conversation, right before

(08:56):
he sent her home, he was like, yeah, maybe the
connection's not strong. So I'm like, well, what is it, Like,
what are you feeling. I think he was very caught
off guard during this conversation and didn't quite know how
to handle it. I think had it maybe been in
a different scenario and they had more time to really
like talk it through and think about what they wanted
to say, I don't know if she would have gone

(09:17):
home at that point, but we did see her go
home and some of the women were very shocked, very upset.
You know what that is the show people go home unfortunately,
which is also crazy to think that now we're in
week six and we only have seven women left. I
feel like the women aren't going fast, which it's strange

(09:38):
to see because I feel like there's now very few women.
But I actually kind of like because you get to
know them more, and as the weeks go on, I
think we're going to be able to see more of
their personalities and like really get to know their backstories,
which I as a viewer can appreciate. But that was
basically most of the show. Obviously, Ariel has her one
on one date which we were going to get into

(09:58):
with her very short. Again, I cannot wait to have
her on, so I think with that, everyone, let's get
Ariel on Happy Hour. Okay, well, welcome to Happy Hour. Ariel.
We're so excited to have you here. I have to ask,
because I start out with all of the new customers,
is this the first podcast you've ever done? Yes? Actually, yes,

(10:21):
very excited. Don't be nervous. It's all fun. It's it's
super lighthearted. It's literally just a girl chat for like
an hour and to all of our listeners who well,
you obviously missed it because we were recording this part.
But when Ariel just came on, we were talking. We
were joking about like trying to figure out technology, and
she called herself a boomer, which I very much relate
to because I'm always like, I'm too old for any

(10:42):
sort of technology. Um, but turns out you're you are millennial. Correct,
technically I'm an millenial, but I feel like a gen
Z at heart. Okay, gen Z at heart. So you
are twenty eight? Were you one of the older women
in the house? Um, Most of the women were about
similar age, some are were twenty seven, somewhere twenty, but

(11:03):
it didn't really feel like an age difference. But I'd
say it was probably in the middle, Okay. And I
hate asking that. I'm not trying to put like any
sort of stigma on like age at all, because Michelle
and I are definitely against that. But I was actually
your same age when I was filming, and we had
such a wide array of age ages on our season,
so I just didn't know where you felt. But but
I had said before you came on, I was like,

(11:25):
Ariel just seems so grounded, So mature, but I was like,
she also has this like very witty, sarcastic side that
we see come out, which I really appreciate. So that's
why I'm so excited to have you on. How has
it been just life in general, now that you're back
in the real world and now watching yourself on the

(11:46):
big screen back as a season airs. I think it's
been shocking. I watch it sometimes friends, sometimes with family.
I feel like it's always kind of switching. So it's
crazy to see everything that I experienced finally on screen
and then you're seeing it for the first time with
everyone else. So I feel like it's like definitely been
like a crazy adjustment, just coming out of everything, kind

(12:06):
of taking some time to myself, actually being very antisocial
for a period of time, and then really diving back
into like just being excited about everything. I love watching
everything back. I love seeing it play back. It's like
I have a lot of things that I forgot. I said,
oh yeah, when you're in those sleep deprived moments, exactly
what I'm like landon. So I feel like it's been

(12:28):
very funny for everyone to see my personality come through.
So my true friends really see me as they always
see me and then people that don't as well. I
didn't know she had it in her, but you're hilarious.
The part where you started though, and we'll get into
the one on one date that you just had with him,
but the part where you started where you met him

(12:49):
and he was like, look, look, we're in the countryside
of Estonia, and You're like, really, I thought we were
in Jersey. I was cackling. I was like, this is
the this is the witty banter we need. So you
said that you've been watching some episodes with your family.
Do you ever have to warn them, like, hey, mom
and dad, maybe close your eyes during this part or

(13:09):
like fast forward this scene. I try not to because
usually when I'm not with them, they watched so many
other of their friends. So I feel like I've just
had to tell them nothing and let them go in blind.
They can like complain after ye, but I feel like
they are just so excited to see me at all.
I swear they do not understand what I've done. That

(13:31):
I'm first generation. I come from like a Ukrainian family,
and I feel like they just are so excited to
just see me on the screen that they don't even know,
like what. They don't care what even happens. They're like, wow,
your faith, it's my jad will literally seby photos of
half of my ear like they're proud of you. I

(13:55):
swear they are not being attention to the kissing or anything.
My dad has made a few comments, but I feel
like so far it's been fairly PG, so they're kind
of they're just happy for me. Yes, they're just proud
of their baby being on the big screen. I love that.
That makes it more enjoyable when they're not just like
ragging on you for all the little things. I had
some uncles who would watch it, and every time every

(14:17):
week I'd get taxed about, like I can't believe you
were kissing him after all those other girls. And I
was like, Okay, don't wade too much into it, or
just don't watch it. It's awkward. So how did you
get cast on the show? Were you a fan of
The Bachelor batch rip beforehand or was this totally like?
Were you going in blind? I went in completely blind.
I've seen episodes before, and definitely when I was like
a bit younger, I would watch the show. I feel

(14:39):
like my friends just fully applied me. I went in
blind and I actually got a phone call about the show,
not knowing that I was getting the call, so I
was very caught off guard. But yeah, basically, my friends
applied me, and I went into the whole thing blind
because I feel like that's the best things. So you
did not Binge watch any quick seasons before you left.
I honestly try, but then I just didn't want to.

(15:01):
I don't want anything to change my experience or I
don't want to prepare for something when it comes to dating. Yeah,
so like the less prepared you are for something, the
more authentically you are yourself. So I didn't want to
like sit there and like see previous seasons or see
what things kind of played out, because all those leads
are different and all those seasons will be different, so like,
as myself, I'll be very different than anyone else, so

(15:23):
there's no way to prepare or watch. I'm more so
watched seasons like a long time ago. Okay, I love that.
I feel like I wish more people did that, honestly,
because it just feels more real, more raw, less like
contride of oh I should be doing something this way,
or if I reacted an opposite way, it's going to

(15:44):
be good or bad. I love the mentality of just
going and blind and being yourself because, like you said,
like you're not going to know what the lead is
like until you meet him. You can watch past seasons,
but everyone's going to be completely different in person. So
how does Zac compare two other men that you've dated
in the past. Was he somewhat similar for your type?

(16:06):
Are completely out of the box different. I don't have
the type at all. If you do like a lineup
of all my exes, they all look very different or
just very different personality, but the one through line of
everyone is like their thoughtfulness and kindness. And I feel
like Zach brought out how I used to feel and
like my college relationships because made me feel like they're
young again. He made me feel like very kind of

(16:26):
like rejuvenated. It felt like kissing him for the first
time almost felt like middle school. So he definitely reminded
me of how I used to feel like before. A
lot of my past relationships hurt me or situations brought
me to kind of want to hide who I am
a little bit. In dating. I feel like over time
you developed like a very like thick skin, and you
also develop like a lot of barriers that you don't
really want people to see through. So I feel like

(16:48):
he tapped into a side of me that I kind
of hit away for a long time. Oh I love it,
And we did see you open up a bit more
on that one on one, which we will obviously get into,
but before that, I just kind of want to talk
about like your initial journey meeting Zach coming out of
the limo. You were the queen of group dates for
a while because it was what week six that you

(17:09):
got this first one on one? So what had what
had been up until the one on one? Your favorite
date with all the women? Um, definitely not the football date,
and I did care the first three seconds. I don't
know I had that power. I think the Bahamas date

(17:29):
was really like wonderful despite like everything happen. I honestly
always stepped into drauma after it had happened, so it
was always very confused. I feel like, if you have
freeze frames of me, I'm like looking left and right,
don't know where I am or what's going on. So
I really enjoyed like the entire day. I really enjoyed
like feeling carefree. It felt almost like the pool party
in a way, but we got to be ourselves. Like,

(17:51):
whenever you're more dressed up, or even Zach is more
dressed up, people aren't going to be like they're gonna
be a little bit stuffier sometimes, So like dance on
the beach to beating all these foods. It was a
very like beautiful scenery as well as like a really
nice experience with all the other women, so laid back,
and I feel like it was I like the dates
where they feel like they could actually happen in real life, right,

(18:13):
Like you're not always going to be flying into helicopter
or on a hot air balloon or like on a yacht,
but the dates like that could have happened in real life.
You and Zach could have just been walking on this beach,
joined this party, had some great food, great drinks, great music,
and those down to earth ones I feel like are
always the best because you can kind of just relax
and like you forget about the cameras for a second. Okay,

(18:37):
so the Bahamas that did seem like a great one.
The one that probably was not at the top of
the list, though, was when you headed to London. That
was a crazy week. Obviously, Zach had COVID couldn't do
anything with you on that date. What was since it
was derailed and you heard the news that Zach wasn't
feeling well and wouldn't be joining that day, what were
you first feeling when you heard that, Like, oh shit,

(18:58):
we're not going to see him at all this week.
I feel like the second you find out that someone's
not feeling well, you think about how they're feeling. So
I definitely wanted to make sure he was okay. And
there's only so much I can do right in that situation.
So I was just feeling bad for him because he's
like completely sequestered in his room. He's by himself. I'm
sure he's feeling so many emotions that everything that we
might be feeling, he's feeling tenfold because he's alone. So

(19:20):
I just felt bad for him. I wanted to make
sure he was okay. I want to make sure his
symptoms weren't too severe, and I just wanted to make
sure he wasn't feeling so completely isolated by himself. That's sweet?
Do you know? Oh? I actually have a two part question. One,
did anyone find out that Katie stepped out and went
to his room? And like had that little date with him,

(19:42):
like behind the door. I don't think so. I think
we all thought of like different ways that we could
make him feel better, and I'll want it to be creative,
like whether it be to make like a poem or
write something like we all tried to communicate with him
in all these ways, and one of her ideas was
a care package. Okay, okay, that was my second point.
Then did anyone send him notes or anything just to

(20:03):
kind of brighten the day for him a little bit?
I did you personally send him anything? I think everyone
was thinking of doing that, and they were all thinking
of like, how can I make him feel better? How
can I be like thoughtful in this moment? So everyone
wrote like a little thing or tried to do something.
I don't know as many details because I didn't really
ask as people told me. So I tried to write

(20:24):
him like a crossword of everything that we've experienced so
far and more things about me, like so a crossword
that he could play than in his room when he
was sick. Yeah, I want him to have an activity
and be like so not nothing too difficult, because I'm
sure he was just feeling like very ill. So I
wanted too intense with something cute, or he could still
be getting to know each other. But we're also it

(20:46):
was a good lead up to like our next date
as well. Yeah, what a good idea. Damn I want
I want Ariel on my season. So when you heard
that it was just going to be the girls on
this group date, what were you feeling like? Were you like, okay,
like we can kind of just chill explore London. I
think you should always make the most of everything you're given.

(21:08):
So we're lucky to still be out in London. We're
lucky to be in London altogether, and unfortunately he can't
go out, so we also have an opportunity where we
can get to know each other more. We can like
think of more things we want to stay to zac
before we see him. Our time is still limited and
precious with him, so I feel like it let us
like enjoy the day. It let us. It was so
unfortunate he couldn't be there for either part, both like

(21:28):
the day date and the cocktail ceremony as well, But
it makes you just miss him more and value the
time we had together more as well. So I never
want to be in a bad headspace when I'm outside,
I'm enjoying things. I want to make the most out
of everything always. That's why I even did the show
in the first place. I just want to make the
most out of every opportunity that I'm given, And especially

(21:48):
when it comes to dating, you just want to be
like a positive force for someone. And I feel like,
when morale is low amongst the women, I also want
to make sure everyone was like in a better headspace. Damn,
I feel like you and Charity. We had Charity on
a couple of weeks ago, and she was like, because
obviously she's at the therapist and she would do like
all these comming exercises with the women. I feel like
you would have been good moral too, to just kind

(22:09):
of like keep spirits up and keep things going and
like we'll see him soon, Like let's still have fun here.
What was the virtual cocktail party like, because that's the
first time we've ever seen that, I think ever in
vacher Nation, and I'm sure it was a little weird.
Obviously we're all used to zooms and facetimes these days,
but to like do that dating wise has got to

(22:31):
be a little bit hard. I think again, it's a
situation of like I've always done long distance. For example,
I've always been in relationships or the other person lived
somewhere else, or when I've been traveling, we've made like
the most we could of the time we have. So
I personally felt like it's really weird to not be
in person together. It doesn't feel as nice as it
always does to be like touching someone, to be physical

(22:52):
with them, to even like yeah, their mind a bit
more interpersonally. But I feel like it was nice that
he had time to give us at all. Week That week,
I was like taking breadcrumbs. I was taking anything that
I could. At that point, we basically didn't have two
dates in a way, so I felt really good that
we were able to still talk. And I kind of
did a whole like James Bond thing was a deleted scene,

(23:15):
so I brought on like a little shaker situation. I
think I'm pretty sure it like hit the ceiling and
hit the ground, bring back this footage. Yeah, I'm not
good at making a Gin and tonic. I've decided I'm
not the Bond Bill and I thought I was. But
it was nice to do like a little bit and
like be playful and like I felt like, I couldn't
do that in the same wine in person because maybe

(23:36):
you'll see that the shaker hit the ceiling. But it
was nice to get like creative. It was nice to
try to like also bring it back to like the
location when we were at make it more like cinematic
if you will. So I as weird as it was,
I was happy we like got the time with him.
I was happy he was feeling in better spirits and
he wasn't feeling like he had to be in bed anymore. Right,
how much time did everyone get with him? Because usually

(23:59):
during those cocked parties, I mean, you have anywhere from
what like five to sometimes twenty five minutes? Did you? So?
Did most women have a good chunk of time to
chat with him during that virtual one? Yeah, he made
a lot of time for everyone. I remember it being
at least like thirty minutes from when I remember it
felt like, okay, yeah, I'm pretty sure we got thirty

(24:20):
minutes at least. And it actually was nice because usually
during ceremonies you don't know if you'll get time. You
don't have to go, So this was like you you
definitely get time. You have this allotted moment with this person.
So it felt really nice to have that and to
know for sure you're going to get that time no
matter what, because there are some kil ceremonies where I
didn't get any time at all, and I guess the

(24:40):
bonus and this one was probably no one was able
to come in and steal him. He's already not there. Um.
I didn't even think about that until now. Okay, let's
get into Estonia, because this is obviously a very fun

(25:02):
week for you. You finally get to travel. I called
it like a reset for everyone. Like, obviously, no one
saw Zach the week before besides Gabby, so it was
a fresh start in a new country. You obviously get
to see your boyfriend again. So what were your first
thoughts when you found out you were going to Estonia?
Have you ever been there before? No, I actually haven't.

(25:22):
I know about the Baltics in general and that like
territory just because I'm Eastern European, but I've never been there,
and I never honestly knew the extent of the culture there.
So it was so beautiful and the food was amazing.
It looked really beautiful. I've heard great things about Estonia,
so I'm glad that they were able to take you
there for the show going into this week, Like, what

(25:42):
were your hopes? Because you were incorrect me if I'm wrong,
but you were one of I think three women who
had not yet received the one on one. Correct, I
think it was you, Jess and Greer. Yeah, okay, So
what were you expecting, Like, did you have a feeling
you'd maybe get the one on one that week? I mean,
I'm sure you were hopeful. I'm always hopeful, but I

(26:03):
genuinely really didn't think I was going to get it. Honestly,
I was announced. I'm pretty sure I gave like the
least gracious reaction imaginable. I feel like girls are always
like looking down and smiling and very like they like curtsy.
I was like, well, I definitely wasn't like the most grateful,
so I'm so excited. I was just so stunned. So
I feel like when you're you've become so patient over time,

(26:26):
you're always like waiting for that opportunity and moment. I
feel like I'd had so much patience by that point,
So by that point, I just it had been so
many times that I hadn't gotten the one on one,
So to finally get it. I think I was just
so shocked but so so excited. Yeah. How fun. So
before we get into like the actual details of the date,
a little drama went down right before Charity's date, and

(26:49):
that was like the moment when Kat had pulled Zack aside,
took him out of the room obviously like Charity was
all ready to go. What were your thoughts in that moment,
because you know, we saw some women like Brooklyn who
were really rubbed the wrong way. Where were you at?
Were you like, okay, like it's it's that that this
is a game, but like the name of the game
in a way, or were you kind of very put

(27:12):
off too? I think the best way to give advice
to someone and relate to them, because I felt like
at some point I kind of had to step in
is to understand where they're coming from. So I understood
where where both women were coming from. I felt like
the action itself was not respectful, and if I were
in the position of Charity, it would hurt like my feelings.
So I feel like I really wanted to for Kat

(27:35):
and I to be on the same understanding and I
wanted to relate to her and have her not attacked
because I felt like in the situation with Brooklyn it
was it was much more aggressive in a group setting.
I have a lot of sensitivities for like one person
being called out in a group setting. Just don't like
the way that feels. I don't like for it to
be like a five against one, So that to sensitivity
of mine. And then I just wanted to make sure

(27:57):
that Kat understood that we still like support her, We're
still like, like our season was just so respectful and kind,
so that outside of the scope of what we really
experienced to such an extent before, especially the smaller group.
So I wanted to make sure that Kat understood. Listen,
what you did was not an action that I line with.
I don't agree. I wouldn't do something like this. It's okay,

(28:18):
I understand it. The setting makes like we're all pursuing
the same person. The setting makes people feel very heightened emotions.
We're all like, we all want the time with him,
we all want the time with Zach, but this is
just not the way you go about doing that. And
this is just not the kindest thing to do to
someone before they have their day. Everyone else gets their day,
so you have to be patient and you have to
make sure that you're not like encroaching on someone else's time,

(28:40):
because you wouldn't want that to happen to you, right.
I just really didn't like that because I wouldn't do
that to someone else, and I wouldn't. I don't think
it's even in line with the personality that Kat has
and the person that she is, So I felt like
she was acting outside the scope of her like empathy. Yeah,
I definitely agree that this being in this situation, this
scenario where you're so removed from any sort of normalcy

(29:02):
that you experience on a daily life, like, it really
does heighten everything, Like it makes you do things and
say things that you wouldn't necessarily do in a normal scenario.
And it's interesting too, because I was trying to explain
to the listeners before we had you on, like there's
a time and a place for things, and you know,
people are always stealing the lead, whether that's before a date,

(29:24):
whether that's like in the middle of a row ceremony.
We've seen that happen as well. And it's tough because
I felt like, and this is just for me, I
felt like it was a little bit blown out of proportion.
In the way that Brooklyn reacted, But I also get it, like,
especially for a charity. She already missed one on one

(29:45):
date last week when Zach was sick. She already had
to deal with like the whole thing at the beginning
of the season when Christina kind of put her down
when she got the group date rose And now this,
I was like, this, poor girl cannot catch a break.
This is not the time for Charity. But again, like,
is there ever really a time? And you were the

(30:06):
one to talk with Kat, like during the aftermath of
the whole Brooklyn to Bible correct, I thought everyone individually,
So I really wanted to understand where everyone was coming from.
And I feel like I kind of stepped in in
this way as an accidental mediator, which is not the
most fun position, But I feel like I get where

(30:28):
everyone's coming from. So I get where Bookly's coming from
because she's protecting her friend. I get where Cats coming
from because she's protecting her relationship. And I get where
Charity's coming from because she's just as you said, she
didn't get the one on one she's had. She's been
so patient and so gracious about everything. She was the
one rounding sessions with us. We were honestly, she and
I really connected and I really related to her in

(30:48):
a lot of ways, and I felt like she it
was this was her moment, so I didn't want that
to be overshadowed either. So and just a hard position
to be in because we all got so close to
so many ways. But it's so many different personality types
in this, like melting pot in a way that are
always written, so it's hard for everyone to act like
their best self or always be like completely respectful to

(31:10):
everyone else all the time. So I understand wanting to
pull someone when you feel disconnected from them, but we
were all feeling that same way in the group setting
as well, like none of us had taken to him either.
The last chance we had had was the cocktail ceremony.
So I feel like, instead of what I'm talking a cat,
instead of making her feel like she's being attacked, I
just want her to feel like, I understand why you
did it, but this is why it's not the best

(31:31):
course of action, Why it's like, why this hurts other
people's feelings sometimes to see outside of yourself, right right, Yeah,
And I'm sure you're probably the best person that she
could have chatted with in that scenario. Again, like very
level headed, grounded, as you said, the mediator, whether you
wanted to be or not, that was you. But things
take a turn for the up because you get the daycard.

(31:53):
What did your daycard read? Again? I actually I think
it said, let's turn up the heat. Let's turn up
the heat. So did you have any idea what this
might entail? I did not, and I did not think
it was going to be about panned out. I kind
of had an idea because again in Eastern Europe there's
a culture of like saunas and baths and things like that,

(32:15):
and it's a very like holistic culture as well, so
I was thinking maybe it would be something of that nature.
But I really never want to expect and whatever I
would guess on any of the dates, I got everything
so wrong guess where I did not. The football date
was the most obvious. I didn't guess it at all.
I was the worse at guessing who was going to
get something or anything that happened. So I really had

(32:37):
no idea, so I wasn't kind of blind, But it
ended up being like the funniest best date ever, because
as before, it's nice to not have like this stimulated,
extremely romantic environment. I like to laugh with my partner.
I liked to be able to be very comfortable and
let loose, and I feel like, as unusual as that
setting was, it's what made us get closer. It really

(32:59):
forced you to, yeah, get closer, and I'd be like,
push you outside of the comfort zone a little bit.
What was that like when you found out that you
were not only going to be doing a sauna, but
it was the nude sauna. The funniest thing is that
before I was very nervous to go into the show.

(33:20):
I really debate if I was going to do it
or not. My parents had like a family meeting. They
sat me down on whether I was going to do
it or not, and my dad gave a speech and
he was like, you cannot do the show. There will
be naked people. They will force you the best naked people.
It was not the I saw the show. It is
not appropriate. I swear he watched Game of Thrones. I'm

(33:41):
straight up on it was. I thought you were going
to the Game of Throne, said the Bachelor. Really, I
don't know what show he watched, Like this is on ABC,
I don't know what he's talking about. But he was like,
they will take you into rooms and there will be
naked people everywhere. I'm doing like a grou accent, so
I'm done with that now, but he so he gets it,
so I'm thinking about that. The weirdest thing is that

(34:02):
I thought about my father when the nudists were announced,
because he warned me. He told me that there would
be naked people on the show, and I was like,
you're crazy, what are you talking about. I'm gonna do
the show regardless. So the fact that my dad was
in my head when I saw two naked people is
very weird for me, and I still think about a
day my dad really got in my head because I

(34:23):
remember just laughing at him for an hour, being what
are you talking about? They're never I'm not I'm only
going to be in a bathing suit at most, Like
what are you talking about? And then when the nudist
came in like a bell. When mom and dad came in,
that was the best thing to come in, and they
weren't following you, like it wasn't just at the beginning,
but like later on when you were sitting having this

(34:43):
nice private moment in this tiny ass sauna, they just
come in. They seemed very sweet, though, I will say
like it was like mom and dad were there. Obviously
weird with the nude, but like they seemed so kind
and like they were in love and you guys are
fallen in love. So um yeah, okay, So if your

(35:06):
dad was going through your mind when you heard about
the nudists, when you actually came back from filming, and like,
we're explaining everything to your family, like when when the
Sonia week came up, did you explain, like, hey, dad,
you weren't far off from what you originally thought. I
still haven't really explained it to them. I haven't really

(35:27):
gone through each week and told them all of those things.
And we're so spoken like the relationship in my experience,
but again, it's always an element of surprise for them.
But I just couldn't face my dad and be like
you were right everywhere you were wrong. Your game of
thrown visions partly came to life again being for a generation.

(35:48):
My parents feel very confused about what I've done. They
don't understand reality television entirely. They keep thinking I think
they think that I'm the lead. I don't think they
think it's like a multiple women. They think it's just
me and Zach. So my parents just really didn't get it.
So having to explain like the newdest thing as well,
I was like, I'll just save that for when they
see it. Yeah, yeah, Well they're gonna get a kick

(36:08):
after watching it this week, I will say, um, but
you know what, you kind of blind this entire season.
Let them go on blind and just let me know
what your father says after watching it back this week. Well,
you can call you, hey, Dad, call me up. I
want to hear your reaction. That would actually be kind
of fun to have some parents on the podcast at
some point, like after something like this goes down, just

(36:30):
you guys have to do that. Oh my god, I
most authentic reaction. I would love to have your father
on what's his name by the way, Felix Helix, Felix,
Felix in a unique way, so there's no X, it's
ks okay, Well, Felix, Papa Felix. Anytime you want to
join happy Hour, you just call me up, sir. Okay,

(36:57):
So let's get into the evening then, what was the
evening like for you where you finally knew that you
would open up to be able to open up to
Zack a bit more and not have anyone interrupt you
with whatever you had to say. I think that's what
made me really like take down my walls for the
first time again. I've had like such a sordid relationship history,

(37:17):
and I feel like I started to really hide my
true inside personality. Like people can see my humor, people
can see I'm a bit mysterious at times. That's not
the entire scope of who I am. So I feel
like this was the first time I really got to
show Zach how vulnerable I can be. And I feel
like that word is over us now, but it's a
great word. I really got to show him like why

(37:37):
I'm there, what really brought me there, what my past
really kind of created for me to even feel like
open to the idea of doing a show like this,
and how far I was like pushed in my past
relationships to not have really found my person and how
hard that was, and how I've always been kind of
for a long time with the wrong people that didn't
bring the best things out of me. So it was
nice to be able to have that conversation. It was

(37:58):
nice to feel so comfortable being so candid and talking
to someone with like no jokes, no humor, no like
layer protection in a way, And that was the first
time in a long time and had a conversation like that.
And I actually feel like I deliberately act mysterious or
act like elusive and things like that, so people don't
really know what I'm thinking or what I'm feeling, and

(38:19):
I don't have to get to that point. I love
to have deep conversations. I'll answer any question that people
ask me, but it takes me a long time to
actually feel comfortable talking about the things that I've experienced
in my past in terms of details. Right, how do
you feel he received what you told him about your past.
I think he received it very well. I feel like
he always made me feel so comfortable and so honestly.

(38:42):
I know it's so weird to say, but you do
forget the cameras are around, and you do forget that
you're kind of in this environment, because it always felt
like it was Zac and I kind of off camera.
So I always felt so good around him. I always
felt like I could be super weird and be super funny,
like tell the most like inappropriate sarcastic joke, like I
was speaking about the one of the nudest body parts
and he was loving that. Do tell more. I called

(39:10):
the guys egg plant if you will egg plant emoji mudest.
I called it a micro penny because that's what I
call any guy that has a very small part. Yeah,
it's like this poor nudist, sir, hope you to listen
to Happy Hour. I've said that privately, and then Zach

(39:32):
goes and says micro paney on camera. But um, yeah,
I turned into like an Italian phrase. It's like a
make it sown fancy. Yeah, you make it sound like
fancy kind. It's like a compliment when you say it
like that exactly. Um okay, I'm the micro penny. Stop using.

(39:53):
Oh I wanted to get into like when Zach offering
you the rust, But now I just am gonna be
thinking about also next time it eat Penny Aposta, That's
what I'm going to be thinking of. I might be
impossive pre you forever. Don't worry. Nothing can impostive for me.
But now you just made it more enjoyable. It'll just
be more fun. The next time I ordered Penny with
Thomas had a restaurant. So how did it feel after

(40:15):
finally opening up to Zack and like you said, being
more vulnerable when he offered you that rose for you
and correct me if I'm wrong, But did you feel
like up until that point, like that was truly the
most important rose that you did receive. It so hard
for me to think of everything. The concept of rose
is right because like, this is a relationship, this is
my future like husband, this is like my partner. So

(40:37):
that rose had the most like weight and value at
that time because it's just our one on one and
it mattered so much to me to just like be
able to share those things with him. But my focus
was on like sharing that, having him get to know me,
having him understand me, and like seeing if he if
he understands that and accepts that that we're progressing. So
it really meant so much to me to get that rose.
But the thing that I thought about the most was

(40:58):
being able to feel comfortable with Zach in a way
that I hadn't felt comfortable with that in my past. Well,
I'm so excited he gave you that rose. You've been
and I apologize, I said at the beginning, I'm like
Ariel is kind of a sleeper, like because we didn't
see a ton of you at the beginning of the season.
You weren't in the midst of the drama, which I

(41:19):
can appreciate it, and I think it does everyone good
when you're not in the midst of that. But you
have grown on me week by week. I've absolutely loved
watching you, and I loved watching you on your one
on one because we finally got to know more of
who Ariel is without all of the chaos of the
other women around. So I really can't wait to see
where your connection with Zach goes in the coming weeks. So,

(41:41):
without giving too much away, can you tease just a
little bit of what's to come in the coming weeks.
I think there's going to be so much humor. There's
going to be so many laughs. There's going to be
so many like funny and amazing experiences. And like Zach
and I just had such a great way of like
laughing at each other, poking fun like even the Jersey comments.
I feel like it was very important for me to

(42:03):
be with someone that just knows how to like laugh
through life with me. That's what I learned from my parents.
So it's going to be a season full of full
of humor, full of laps, full of Honestly, the women
were also so funny, so I feel like all of
them had such like unique personalities and we're just like
we're all kind of like stand up comics in our
own ways and had our own humor, So there will

(42:23):
be a lot of that. I love that. I do
love this season for the friendships we're seen. It does
seem like, for the most part, all of you get
along so well. You're so supportive of each other, which
we have not seen in really any season in this capacity,
which is so incredible. Who were you really really close
within the house, Like, who were some of your best girlfriends?

(42:45):
I was super close with Katie, with Gabby, with Charity,
with Jess as well, so those are like my really
point people. But I got so close to, like, honestly everyone,
so like kat Kylie, Mercedes, I'm literally listening everyone out.
But I got so close to an Ali as well.
I got so close to so many women in different ways,

(43:08):
so I feel like a lot of women stepped in
when I was feeling a certain way, Like all the
different personality types really helped me get through moments that
I couldn't have gotten through on my own. So it
was very nice, like I knew, like I need to
go to Charity for something, I need to go to
Katie for something, to Gabby. So I feel like all
their different personality types helped me like really get through
the difficulty of everything and again just like have a

(43:28):
laugh too. So I feel like it was it was
a truly amazing season. I saw so many like beautiful
and amazing sides of all the women. Okay, there's a
group chat, right every season, I feel like there's a
group chat with all of the women or all of
the men. Please tell me there is one, and every Monday,
I'm sure it pops off. I have no idea what

(43:49):
you're talking about. Oh no, that like those were some
of the best times. Was was just talking with all
the girls every Monday, being like did you know so
and so did that? Or oh my god, I can't
if you said that in an im. But like you
bond with the women in another way, no one understands
it once you leave the show. It is called a
trauma bond for lack of a better term. But like

(44:11):
the things that you experienced together, no one else will
ever understand. So I feel like that whether there's a
group chat or not, we will definitely like oh have
We'll always like be in each other's lives now, right right, Yeah,
it's um and and that's god. I sound so cliche
and I always say this, but like, you know, you
go on the show to hopefully find love and to

(44:32):
find a partner, but like it's the friendships, those lasting
friendships that like you'll remember, Like I'm still super close
with a couple of the girls from our season, and
I was like, I would do it all over again
to still have these people in my lives. Whether you know,
we went through a lot of shit when when we
were filming and it was a crazy couple months of
your life. But the friendships are incredible. So I'm I'm

(44:54):
glad that you are close with some of the girls. Still, Okay,
let's get to the let's get to the next part.
This is just a very fun, easy rapid fire game.
So basically, I'm gonna just fire questions off at you,
just get to know you a bit more and then
just give me like the first thing that comes to
your mind. Okay, right, So no, it's so easy. Don't worry.

(45:15):
Are you in early rise or a night owl? A
night owl. I'm up until like five owl on TikTok Okay,
what is the best stating advice you've ever received to
find a common shared interest with your partner that only
you two share. Oh, that's good. We haven't heard that
one on here yet. That's good. What is your go
to pizza order? Honestly, I randomly really like mushrooms on

(45:42):
my pizza now and more of like a white pizza. Okay,
Bianca pizza, Bianca situation with some onion. Anything that gives
you like the worst breath imaginable, like there and I'll
eat it. What is one word that your best friends
would use to describe you thoughtful? Thoughtful? Well, that's good one, okay.
Switching to what is your favorite curse word? Probably fun? No, Oh,

(46:08):
we gotta new money here. I also love the fact. Okay,
we're gonna have to bleep that out, but please keep it.
And most people are like, wait, can I swear on here?
Can I say it? I'm like I said too in
one second. I love it. I love it and it's
unique one that we've never heard. So you heard it
from Ariel first ums loved and they just changed it

(46:30):
to London. It's so good. Um, what is the most
played song or artist in your playlist? Um? Probably still Aba.
I know that that was like really a thing for me,
but maybe I'm still free. Oh my god, I love yeah,

(46:50):
I was always there. Okay. What's your favorite cocktail? Anything spicy?
So I love like a spicy mescal, a spicy tequila,
anything that the rim has tejene as well, and like
as many hallopenias as you can. So spicy, like cucumbery
type of a situation. Okay, I love that too. If
you could be any animal, what would it be? I

(47:15):
think a dolphin. I don't know if it's because like
the first tell me of what you would be, but
dolphins have actually really high EQ and they're very like empathetic.
They're so smart. They're very smart, and they're very like
they actually have self awareness, which I think is very
interesting for like a sea animal. Okay, what is the

(47:35):
current screensaver on your phone? Honestly, I don't. I always
use the classic ones. I never have anything that is different,
but I just have like the desert situation, the lovely
little desert look at that. It could be Utah, could
be the Grand can mean. We don't know. I'm going
to change it now. Okay, Well, let me know we

(47:56):
can always change this answer. Just just DMS the screenschat
of what you change it too. Um? Okay. If you
could visit one place in the world, where would you go? Um?
I'm really dying to go to Africa. Honestly. I love
like terrains like that, I love animals. I really that's
one part of the world I really have not explored

(48:17):
at all. So that's like one specific country, probably m Kenya. Okay,
I'm dying to go to Tanzania as well. I'm dying
to see Rwanda. Okay, well one day added to the
bucket list manifest that Okay. Last question for this part.

(48:37):
If you had to describe this season of The Bachelor
in just one word or one phrase, what would that be. Um? Authentic.
I feel like everyone was very much themselves, whether that
be good or badge, whatever that means. I feel like
everyone really tried to put that foot forward. And I
feel like Zach cured a season of like pure honesty

(49:00):
and was very much himself, and I feel like he
really brought us to that place. So I feel like
he's always made everything authentic. Anytime there's issues or drama
you would send people home. So I feel like the
season was very authentic. Okay, I'll take it. I love that.
Now we have a couple last things before we let
you go. First is our resource section, which basically it's

(49:25):
we'd love to just keep our listeners informed and give
them quick, easy access to different resources, especially in regards
to racism. So my resource is it's called bronicity dot
com and it's I had talked about doctor Lucretia Barry
on the podcast a couple weeks ago in the three
and thirty podcast Resource. But barnicity dot com is basically

(49:48):
a website that offers anti racism education with different courses
and events. It actually offers both paid and free courses,
so really anyone can go and sign up to get
some of those resources. Courses. They have some geared for kids.
They also have some for adults and caregivers, and then
also some for educators or leaders who want to do

(50:10):
more like speaking in leadership roles on like culture, race, ethnicity,
all of that. So it is called brennicity dot com. Again,
you can sign up for their free courses. They will
send you a book in the mail and then you
can just access all of the courses online. So that
is my resource of the week, and Ariel, if you
have one, we would love to hear yours as well. Yeah,

(50:33):
a lot of people might not know this, but I'm
actually Jewish, and I feel like in recent events I've
been happening, there's been a huge surge in anti Semitism.
It's been an ongoing issue globally, but particularly in the US.
Jews account for two percent of the population, but there's
sixty percent of all hate crimes. So I feel like
it's important to kind of get the conversation open. And

(50:55):
one of my favorite books is The Choice by doctor
Judith Eva Eager. She talked about her experiences and aush Fitz,
what she overcame and how she kind of turned that
into helping others. So she helps people with PTSD and
became a psychologist eventually, and she talks about her choice
and kind of humility, humanity. She talks about the importance
of getting yourself out of a situation and turning that

(51:16):
around through yourself and healing. So I feel like that's
a very important resource for me personally. Wonderful The Choice Choice. Yeah,
all right, well, thank you for sharing that one, and
again to all of our listeners. We usually will include
these on our Highlights reel of Instagram for about or
have yet where so you can always go there, click
on them, read through them, listen through them, whatever you need.

(51:37):
It's just a great way to get started, So thank
you Ariel. We will add that to our highlight real
as well. And then one last thing before we let
you go, which is just a fun way to wrap
up every interview, is we would love for you to
share your rose and your thorn, which is basically your rose,
which is the highlight, like your favorite moment, whether it
was during filming or now watching it back just of

(51:58):
the season, and then a thorn, which would be the opposite.
So whether it's a negative moment, a terrible memory, something
awkward or cringeworthy that you wish you didn't said, whatever,
it might be your rose and your thorn. My rose
would be the one on one. I feel like that's
where I really started to open up to Zach. That's
where I really started to heal. I feel like he

(52:20):
helped me heal from a lot of my past relationships
and when I'd experienced and be open in that way.
So that one on one kind of like pushed us
into the next stratosphere and really got us close. So
that was really important for me. So I guess the
moment would be that the one on one, but like
the process would be kind of healing and thorn. I

(52:41):
feel like it was really hard to every time that
the women would leave, so especially as like the season continued,
you just developed such close relationships. Everyone use such like
nuanced relationships, and everyone like becomes such a part of
the group. So I feel like the second that you
know you're getting a rose and you're going up there,

(53:02):
you know that someone isn't, so that was hard for me.
Like the second you would have to say like a
huge goodbye to someone that you're so close to would
be also the next step that you're in the next
phase of your relationship. So that was really difficult. And
this is where I see the thoughtful side of you
come out. I think, like, like you said, if your
best friends were to describe you, very thoughtful and always

(53:23):
like looking at both sides and you know the positives
and the not so positives of a scenario. But Ariel,
it has been so much fun watching you. It has
been even better finally having you on You're somebody that
Michelle I know probably bombs you couldn't chat with you
this week, but thank you for hopping on Happy Hour.
And we like to tell everyone too like we're always here.

(53:43):
So if you ever need advice or somebody to talk to,
or to ask questions or support, just let both of
us know, and we are always here to support you girls.
So thanks for hopping on, and we can't wait to
see where this I hate saying this, where this journey
goes with Zach and you all Right, Well, that was
so much fun having Ariel on. I'm such a fan

(54:06):
of her and she just keeps growing on me. I
sat at the beginning, I didn't know how far she
was going to go. It maybe called her a sleeper,
but she's I think she's gonna make it far and
I'm a fan of her. So thank you Ariel for
joining us, and a huge thank you to all of
our Happy Hour listeners. We of course couldn't be here
each and every week without you. Thanks for bearing with
just me this week and again hopefully Michelle will be

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or if you know someone who is single and would

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