Katherine’s Got Bad B*tch Energy

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Katherine joins Becca and Michelle fresh off the iconic Bad B*tch Energy group date, Group Date Rose in hand! She’s discussing all that went down, including being surprised by Latto, Tahzjuan shooting her shot, getting Zach’s first Group Date Rose of the season, and so much more.  

Plus, Becca, Michelle, and Katherine debate whether there’s such thing as being toooo “comfortable” around significant others.  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back, happy our listeners. I'm one of your hosts,
Becca Koufran, and I'm Michelle Young, and we are back
this week to get you into the second episode of
the Bachelor. And today we have our guest Catherine. Yes,
we are so excited to be speaking with this lady.
We're chatting with Katherine. We're gonna hear all about the
group date Rose, all about everything that went on. But

(00:24):
first before we bring here on, Becca, what were your
talkts on this episode? My thoughts on this epode? Okay,
number one, I want to say this, I feel like
I really like this group of women. I think we're
seeing more of like this camaraderie between them and this
support system, which I think is so important I think

(00:46):
for any cast member in this scenario, because you're so
removed from like your normal life and your core group
of people, that they really are leaning on each other
and supporting one another, which I personally love to see.
I feel like I had a lot of that on
my season two and it's kind of good to be
able to witness that instead of like all the cattiness

(01:08):
and the fighting, which I'm sure that will come eventually,
but that was like the standout thing for me in
this episode what about you? I Okay, that's so interesting
that you bring that up, because the candianness in the fighting,
I think it always comes. But it's so interesting to
just like watch these episodes because one, I do feel

(01:29):
like with this season we're getting a little bit more
of like background information on the contestants, just with even
like how the editing is going. But also it's so
interesting to see like the whole concept when you're in
a position and you're all dating the same person and
you're human and you have emotions, but like when they're like,
well are you really happy for them? When someone else

(01:51):
gets like the group date rows or they get chosen
to go on the one on one, or they get pulled,
or they kiss Zack for the first time. It's so
interesting because there was a conversation between the women of
how can you actually be genuinely that happy? Like they're
dating the same person you're dating. What are your thoughts
on that? I feel like I'm the wrong person to

(02:12):
ask because when I was a contestant, I was that
girl and I loved so many of the girls, and
I feel like we formed really great friendships that I
was like I'm so happy you get to go on
the state, you go explore and have fun. And maybe
maybe it was a little bit because and this is
a little bit hard to explain, but like when you're

(02:34):
constantly filming, like the days are really long, especially like
when you get a one on one date or a
group date, like it's a lot. You're constantly in interviews
or having girl chads or talking with the lead and
there's like really no downtime. So maybe a part of
it was like, oh, I don't have to go on
a date, and this girl gets you on the one
on one and now I can kind of relax. Like

(02:55):
maybe there was some of that in the back of
my mind, but I really, for the most part, was
happy for some of the girls. Maybe it's a Minnesota
thing because I feel I feel very much similar where
it's not like this over the top excitement because you're

(03:16):
still there to like seek it out, but you also
enter the situation knowing the circumstances and so it's kind
of almost like an open relationship. And so it's like
if I just sat there, it was pissed off every
time somebody was going on a date, like I know,
I'm not going to go on every date. You don't
get to go on every possible It's not possible. So
it's like I can't sit and be just miserable there

(03:39):
was I'll be miserable every second that I'm there. So yeah,
it's just interesting to hear the girls just kind of
chat back and forth about that whole concept because it
really is about right well. And two, I understand where
it would be very off putting later on in the
season when you actually really establish a connection you've spend

(04:00):
any sort of a lone time with the lead. I
understand why at that point you'd be like, oh, I
don't want to see him kissing anyone else, and I
don't want to hear about this magical date you had.
But right now it's week one. They like haven't even
unpacked their bags in the mansion, and so I'm like,
just roll with the punches again. You you said it best,
like you know what you're getting into. It's kind of

(04:21):
like this open relationship, and so yeah, I'm like, give
it time. It's only going to get harder. So like,
try not to put so much stress and anxiety on
that situation right now, because it's like you just just
embrace this craziness that it is, and you're going to

(04:42):
be happier in the long run, I think, right, But
did you did you peep the comment? Someone said? I
don't even know who it was because someone was interviewing.
It was like a voiceover, but all the girls were
showing like running out of the mansion to like we
finally get to get out of the house. I'm like,
we're just getting started, y'all. Yeah, we'll just be away
till week three, Okay. Can we have about some of
the conversations. There were like little snippets throughout this episode

(05:05):
which I actually loved, Like one was about the kissing
And actually, I'm excited to have Catherine on today because
she made a comment where she's like, I didn't realize
that there's not always tongue when you kiss someone. I
really want to ask her about that because I'm like,
are you constantly shoving your tongue in his mouth? Or
like how do we feel about a little peck or
you know, And so I want to pick her brain

(05:29):
about that one. And then we have to talk about
this conversation about how exposed you are in front of
your partner in terms of bodily functions. I think it
was like the last the last little bit of the
episode where the girls were talking about like going to
the bathroom in front of your partner and farting in
front of your partner, and I need to know we're
didn't stand on this. It is so funny because the

(05:51):
show is about it is about romance and love and drama,
but you see these women with just lavish dresses and
these beautiful dates and all these things. I'm also really
enjoying the relatability because we were like last episode it
was the keegles, it was Christina talking about the keegles,
and now we're talking about wait do you not used
to do you expelt like bodily fluids? How do you

(06:14):
do these different things? So we're definitely tapping into the
relable side, which I appreciate I and I love it
too because keep in mind, like when you're seeing these
women on the big screen, they're all glammed up. They
always look good. They're in their heels, their gowns, full
makeup hair. But like, and you probably remember this too

(06:34):
when you lived with all the girls. Ever, like there's
only a couple of bathrooms. People go to the bathroom
with the doors open, like it's like and I've never
been in a sorority, so I can't even compare it.
I can't even like say that I know this, but
I can imagine it's like kind of like a sorority
where it's like, you know, you just like get used
to each other and how bodies operate, and like when
you live with somebody twenty four or seven, especially with

(06:56):
that many people, like you're going to get to know
each other pretty quick. And so I love that they
have this conversation, but I need to know how do
you feel? Where do you stand in terms of going
to the bathroom or farting in front of a partner? Okay,
so this is oh my gosh, I see I already.

(07:17):
Really it's not that I don't get uncomfortable, but it
was it's just more of it. I've lived with a
person that I was dating and they spoke about it
all the time, and I didn't really have I don't
have an issue if other people are speaking about it,
but like I'm never documenting or announcing when I'm going
to the restroom or I don't like leave the door open.

(07:40):
But I will say, like I side with the girls
who are like one of the girls was like, I
just hold it in, and I'm like, that sounds so painful,
especially if you're living with somebody, dating and day out
like that. There there comes a time and I'm all about, like,
you know, keeping it still sexy and like, don't giving
everything away. But like also if you're living with somebody,

(08:02):
we're all human, we all understand, but it just takes
some of us longer than others. So yeah, you know, yeah,
you just I'm on the longer side. Yeah, there's nothing
wrong with that. What were your thoughts though on with
Christina and going to Zach's like family and how she

(08:23):
handled it and all of that stuff. Um, I mean,
I thought she handled it fine, And I think I
could see why that date was set up for her
in a sense, you know, like there was this whole
story about her wanting to open up to him and
like having deeper conversations with him in the evening portion

(08:43):
about her being a mom and having her beautiful daughter,
and so I think the entire date was teet up
very nicely for that, and I think I think Zach,
I actually like how he handled it and responded. I
can appreciate him, you know, taking a step back and

(09:04):
taking a moment being like, you know, I want kids
one day, but right now, I don't know if that's
for me. And I appreciate that he didn't just say
the perfect thing of like it's okay, like it'll work
itself out. I like that he was like it scares
me and that's terrifying, and I want to know, like
if you're going to be the right one for me,
like I need to process potentially like bringing this child

(09:27):
into my life and being like this father figure and
that's got to be a lot to take in. I
don't know, did you date anyone on your season that
had a child? M yes, Spencer Spencer had there were, Yes,
there were and unfortuble I don't know. Unfortunately, unfortunately for him,

(09:49):
I didn't find out until later, and that just kind
of had more of it was it was a relationship
that moved out a slower point where Christina really brought
it up right away, right, and I do. I do
respect that, and I also respect the way that Christina
said I understand, like this is my world, but I
also understand that this is a lot to process, and

(10:10):
I understand that if this is not something that you're
ready for right now. She gave him that space to
have those feelings as well. But throwing kids into this mix,
it really is difficult for both parties because you don't
as a parent, I'm sure you're away from your you're

(10:30):
away from your kid. You don't want to just bring
just anyone into their lives. You want to make sure
that they're ready as well. But then as a lead,
you have to go through this whole concept of I
have to keep them here, and what if I keep
them away from their kid and I don't select them,
then I'm just wasted not only their time, but someone

(10:51):
else's time. It's really tricky. Did you have anybody on
your season? No, from what I can remember, remember I
don't think any of the men had kids, so I
never had to encounter that. And and I like, I
don't know how I would have responded, you know, like
I would have needed I'm somebody who like needs time

(11:13):
to process things like something big like that, So I
don't know, like even in one night, Like I don't
know where I would have been in my headspace of
like can I give somebody this rose right now? It's
and I think he you know, he obviously saw something
there with her, I think that, and he seems like
he was intrigued with her night one, you know, the

(11:34):
party bus. They had like more alone time than most
of the other women did, and so he's definitely seen
a connection in a spark there with her. But I
think I'm glad that she brought it up early on
because I think now they're both going to be like
hyper aware moving forward of is this going to be
the right fit and if it's not. I think that
they are both, from what I've seen, mature enough to

(11:55):
be able to handle that conversation and part ways amicably,
I would hope. But yeah, it's gotta be tough. I again,
I never dealt with it, so I don't even know.
I can't even speak on it. But um, one more
thing before we bring Catherine, because I'm really excited to
have her on. But I just have to give a
shout out to all of the judges on that first

(12:17):
group date for the big bitch energy group date. Um latto, Wait,
what didn't I just say big bitch, big bitch okay,
friendly networks too? Oh my god? Am I getting big
dick energy confused with bad bitch energy? Okay? Um? Oh

(12:38):
for the bad Bitch Group Date. I, you know, it's
always fun scene familiar faces. We've seen Taj recently, we've
seen Victoria recently. But Courtney Robertson I you know, see
what you want about her. She rocked the boat on
ben Planic season, but I personally loved her. She was

(12:58):
so entertaining. I'm so glad that she was brought back
on for this date. It was a perfect fit. It
was so good to see her again. So Courtney, I
could have had more of you, and I really wish
we saw more of that date because I'm sure that
there's so much that took place that we just couldn't
fit into this episode. And I'm sure they had some
great feedback, great comments. But it was fun to see

(13:21):
all of those judges together. But now, Michelle, we got
to bring on miss Group Date, Rose Winner herself. So
let's just bring Catherine on to Happy Hour. Welcome Catherine.
We are so excited to have you here today. I

(13:41):
know that you typically on the show went as Catherine,
but in real life you go as cats, and you
are now the only cat left, so we're gonna start
calling you Kats. So welcome. Yeah, how are you doing?
I'm doing well, I'm so excited to be here. This
is like my first podcast that I really wouldn't want
it to be with anybody else. So we're so excited
to have you. And I have to say, and please

(14:03):
correct me if I'm wrong. You are a nurse, right,
and you just came off of a night shift, not currently,
but oh okay, I was going to say, if you
look like this just coming off of a night shift,
give me all of your tricks because you like stunning.
I was supposed to work tonight and I ended up

(14:24):
moving my shifts around, but typically I'm back tonight, so
I worked my night shift now, and no, this is
not when I end up looking like after in my
twelve hours. Well, you're stunnying either way. I want to
know getting into like we're going to get into this
week's episode, the group date. How you got that special rose,
But just for our listeners who obviously don't know much

(14:46):
about you, how did you get casts on this show?
Was this something that a friend or family member? How
do you do? Was it just something personal that you
wanted to do? Yeah, so I was like one of
the people that came in really last minute. You know,
dating is hard these days. All the things, you know,
if you don't want to, Like I was over it.
I was over the dating field in Tampa, and I'm like,

(15:07):
let's do something different. And my friends have always recommended,
like I go on The Bachelor because they watched the
show and they said I would be so very good.
I'm like, you know what, let's just like try it
out and I'll apply. I think they had nominated me
like in previous seasons. I don't know if the combination
effect had anything to do with it, but they called
me ten days later and they're like, well, we start

(15:29):
filming in like a month, so we have to start
this ball rolling. I'm like okay. And from then on
it was just like one thing after the other, and honestly,
throughout the whole process, I was like, there's no way
I can do this. I give up my life, like
stop everything, for everything on hold and go on. But
I'm like, let me just keep going to see what
goes on with it and how much I might want
to do this more. And then they end up saying yes,

(15:51):
like two weeks before I flew out, so I was
pretty much on a flank plane within six weeks, five
to six weeks of the whole process starting, which is
pretty crazy because there's a lot of goesten to it. Yeah,
but yeah, and then and end up being a blessing.
So I'm happy I decided to do that. I had
you watched the show before you were nominated. I watched

(16:11):
a few seasons. I watched Hannah Brown's and then Peter's,
and then I stopped for a while, and I really
I've watched a few oisodes of Paradise, but um, and
then I started watching a few of Gabby and Rachel's
but I just really didn't have like the time to
keep up with everything. Oh. Absolutely, Have you had an
idea of like kind of what you were about to

(16:32):
get intactly? Yeah? Okay, and so I've been just Clayton's
season when I started doing this, I'm like, okay, well,
let me watch the most recent season so I have
some type of a close idea of what's going on.
And that was the one I like watched art to finish.
I just kind of was like, let me see what
to wear. Was there at any point when you're watching
like Clayton season or any of the previous seasons where
you were like, I'm scared shitless. I don't know if

(16:54):
I'm cut out for this every first night episode and like,
no way, I'm not doing I can't. Yeah, Like it's
so crazy to think of how like your nerves are
and it still never prepares you, Like you can never
appare for that moment, like it was every episode I
saw at night Wine, I'm like, I can't do this.
This is crazy. It's such a different feeling. Okay, so
you go through this whole process like expedited, you decide that,

(17:17):
I mean, your nurse, you're taking time off to do this.
You get there, you're about to start, you know, start
the show. Your initial connection with Zach What was like that?
What was that like for you? Well, um, so I
obviously get out the limo and I'm like, okay, this
is happening. It wasn't for real until I saw him

(17:39):
standing there and our initial interaction was my little bit
with the sunscreen and all that, and they didn't show it,
but I actually sprayed him in the eyes. Um, so
that was good, sprayed him directly because I did it
back to him, So that was like great start awesome. Um,
but then we sat down and had our conversation. It
was still really nerve wracking because you're still getting to

(18:00):
the cameras and everything, and it was early on in
the night. But I just felt this like initial comfortability.
Like I I've asked him like the questions I need
to know obviously, are you like normal fine and like goofy?
But like overall I could tell he was just like
just as nervous as I was, And that almost sade
me feel comfortable too, because I'm like, Okay, we're both
like figuring this out together, so it'll be like a

(18:21):
thing for us. But yeah, um, yeah, I would say
that besides the spraying and the eyes, it was pretty
good first initial connection with him. Wait what level SPF
was it? Oh, of course fifty. You can't do anything.
She's like, it was ninety more. Otherwise it's a waste.

(18:45):
So there's obviously a lot that happens that night one,
and it's just a lot to process, not only meeting
thirty other women and this man that you could potentially
get engaged to at the end of this. But like
like you said, the lights, the cameras, there's just so
much comotion. What is one thing that really stuck out
to you that night like that you were pleasantly surprised about,

(19:06):
or like any connections with the women right off the
bat that you really fell into right away. Yeah, I
would say that that night I was really pleasantly surprised
by how nice everybody was. Honestly, there wasn't really any
thing that I felt like personally that was making me
super uncomfortable or feeling like targeted or like. I know
that emotions can be high and people can be a

(19:27):
little bit out of character, but I was still happy
to feel like an initial like, Okay, these are girls
girls too. I became friends with Jess right away. We
were both from Florida, so she was already sitting down
and we immediately clicked and pretty much didn't leave each
other's side all night, her and Bailey and Genevie as well.
So US four we're just kind of like in our

(19:48):
own little corner. But it was nice to feel welcomed
and never like uncomfortable about speaking how I was feeling.
You know, it's a long night and you have you
just pretty much spend the whole time if you're not
with Zach like talking to each they understanding who each
other are too. So everyone was really nice. I feel
like everyone kind of we were all kind of similar
in a way that did you keep your heels on

(20:11):
the entire evening? I did? I literally, I don't know.
Actually I kept my heels on the whole rose ceremony.
I took them off at one point during the night,
which is actually you're not supposed to do because on
your feet swell, so when you put it back on,
you're like struggling ten times harder. And I learned that

(20:32):
that night. So yeah, yeah, no, I kept them on
the whole Rose ceremony somehow, but they did come off
at one point. I love it, truly. Never Nope, once
they come off, you can't guarantee you'll not be able
to get them back on. And s okay, we're getting
into this week's episode. Um, week two, you made it

(20:54):
through your first rose ceremony and you are now about
to go on your first group date. Are like, what
were the thoughts going through your mind? I was very
overwhelmed but excited at the same time. You know, we
got the first group date, and that was really fun
that I was able to see him right away, because
I know he was making time for everybody that week,

(21:14):
but it felt good that I was going to be
on the first one. So we were already excited about
moving in and then they're like, already and you're leaving.
I'm like, perfect, I'm already like, like my adrenaline's already high.
So I was really excited to see him and just
see what we were about to do. You know, we
didn't know until we got there. But the date card
seems fun. Yeah, so okay, I know that we like
I say we like I'm still part of the season.

(21:36):
I'm obviously not, but like, and I'm sure Michelle you
probably did this too, but like everyone gets the group
date cards, and there's always like there's always a hint
in like the one sentence that they write to you.
Did you guys like have any idea or like decide
like come up with fun ideas of what this might
be or were you guys going and completely blind? Oh

(21:56):
my gosh. The things that we came up with all
the way were insane. I'm trying to remember what they
worked so summer. They were outrageous. But I think we
were saying it was gonna be like Suma wrestling, like
bag wearing those things, and we were gonna do something
like that or something to do with also, um, what's
the thing where you're like on a bowl something. I
don't know why that came up something in the taper,

(22:18):
just think that. But most I was thinking we were
gonna be like in those big Suma wrestling people. Yeah,
like that. So what were your thoughts the like when
you walk into you see the stage and Loto comes out?
What was everyone thinking in that moment? Oh? I gosh.
There's so many thoughts going at once that it's hard
to put into words to what was exactly happening. Um,

(22:42):
But I think initially I was just like, holy shit,
what's about to happen? We're about to walk her ust
to stage? Are you about to walk her us stage? Like?
She's beautiful? Zach looks great. It was so much at once,
but we had still no idea what we were about
to do. The venue was really they had all these
different colors and stuff that made it really cool. But

(23:03):
there was a lot of emotions at that point, still
very nerve wracking. I assumed somehow we were gonna be
up there, didn't know how, but we were gonna make
our way. Did you feel like there's gonna be like fashion?
Did you feel like they were pressure like a lot
of pressure on your shoulders from the guests m finished.
Some people seem to feel so initially, like when I

(23:24):
obviously their icons and there somewhe that I felt like
they were coming unless to like at first give us
like advice, like help us kind of get into our
own and like feel comfortable being ourselves. So the pressure
was I didn't really feel it necessarily. I think I
was feeling more pressure like I don't want to make
for in front of act but because I don't know

(23:45):
if I'm gonna trip on the way all down that run, right,
But I really felt like a sense of like they
were there to help us kind of, So I wasn't
really feeling so much they were there to like not
be in our corner. Yeah. So, just to give a
recap to any of our listeners who maybe missed this episode,
the guest judges were we had Tajuan Corney Robertson, who

(24:06):
was from ben Plantic season, and then Victoria Fuller. When
those three women walked out, did you recognize all three
or did you need like a little recap from anyone.
I only recognize Victoria Fuller, and she's because I watched
Peters season, so I was standing girling pretty hard, not
gonna lie. Yeah, And then I learned to Portney Robinson
and Tajuan more later on. But I didn't initially know

(24:28):
who they were from the get, but they seemed like
just their whole aura was like, Okay, I'm here and
i've maybe I've been here, I've been in your shoes.
I'm here to help you, but also like I'm gonna
bring it to Yeah, like bad bitches truly, yes, tell
us real real talk though, real talk. Though before that,

(24:48):
did you consider and do you consider yourself a bad bitch? Oh?
Of course yeah, of course, no hesitation none. Yes, I
mean in this Danny, you have to as a woman
to always be able to channel that energy absolutely. What
was your favorite part of that day? Because they had
they split it up. I mean you had like the
dancing thing at the very beginning, the runway where you

(25:12):
all walked out and I think you had the cowboy
hat correct, yeah I did, so you had a good
crop that was that was great, um, and then you
had to do like the stand up thing where you
had to go and explain like one moment in your past,
like what made you a bad bitch? Um? What was
your favorite part of like those three moments. And then
was there somebody else that like really stuck out to

(25:34):
you too that you were like, oh damn, she's a
bad bitch. Oh yeah. So my favorite moment actually was
in the beginning when we had our dance party. I
like love a good dance party that like we were
all on the stage and Zach was like showing his
side too, So that was really fun to seek me initially,
I need to ask this. He is not a good dancer, right,

(25:54):
It wasn't just me, you know, right. I thought it
was so precious. I was like, oh my god, like
I can help you. Like, let's I was standing next time,
and I'm like, okay, go with me, like we got this,
Like I let me help you. But it was cute.
I thought I was endearing. I made for effort. Yeah
it was. He was trying right like yeah, yeah, I

(26:14):
think you're all like. So it was everyone's first day,
like it was everyone's first moment coming off a night one.
So it was so great for us to have that
time to like kind of get into our own before
we're about to go do some things that were very vulnerable.
But that was my favorite part personally. And then I
would say that honestly, I was really surprised by Brianna's story.

(26:34):
She told a really heartfelt story about how she came
into who she is today and like you know, making
her own company and where she lived in different countries
and stuff, And I thought that was like the definition
of being at that pitch. To be able to do
that is like alone and to be who you are
right now and for us to really like I would
have never known that unless she opened up about it,
So I thought that was really humbling and awesome. It

(26:57):
is such a vulnerable environment where it's oh, you're being
vulnerable with the person that you're seeing if there's going
to be a future, or you're being vulnerable with like
an activity that you typically don't do. What's more nerve
wracking for you to open up in front of Zach
or to open up in front of the girls and
judges and judges. There's a lot of people. There's a

(27:20):
lot of people there and the cameras. You know, yeah,
you're like just a couple of million people. No big deal,
no big deal. Oh all in all, I think in
that moment, if I can go back, I was feeling
the most vulnerable and like worried obviously with Zach because
like I was really because I knew there were so
many moving parts, so many eyes at once, Like I

(27:41):
made it a point to only like focus it on
him and like make sure I was talking only to
him when I was telling my story, and like intentional
eye contact and like that kind of helped me feel
better and like a little bit more comfortable when I could.
It helped me like block everything else out. But in
a way, it was still really scary. Girls. I feel
like even then, even though it looks like there's been

(28:03):
no time pass, we obviously spent like eighteen hours together
all night, like we've already developed friendships, Like we had
a whole bus ride there and everything we moved in together.
So I felt at ease with them too. Yeah, but yeah,
did you have any strategy going in throughout the day,
because you know, sometimes like people on group dates will

(28:23):
be like I need to stand out, like I need
to make a name for myself, I have to do
something wild or like was that kind of your mindset
or were you just like I'm just gonna have fun
and see where this goes, Like what was the strategy there?
I truly just wanted to have fun with it because
I felt like if I was just like being myself
and having fun, then the best thing can come out
of it. I think if I thought too hard, it

(28:44):
probably act like a weirdo, so and I know that
about myself. So I was really just like going with
the flow, not trying to think too much into it.
Like I said, I was making it like a point
to only focus in on him and help block everything
else out and help ease my in that way. But yeah, no,
there wasn't really any strategy. You can't really make strategy
at that point. Social idea, Yeah, you have no idea

(29:08):
what's going on. You've never been on a group date before. Like,
you're just like whatever happens whatever. Honestly, if anything, I
was trying to play it safe because I didn't want
it to be like too much, right. So yeah, well
you conquered it regardless. You made it through the whole
day portion of the group date, and then now you
are heading into your first cock to a party. What
was going through your head when you're going into that

(29:30):
night portion. Going into the night portion, I would say
I was really still really excited because I did have
a lot of fun on that date. And I think
the activities that we did kind of helped us all
kind of get into our own and feel comfortable with
ourselves because there was a lot of parts that came
with it, and in turn, that made us be able

(29:52):
to have more comfortable conversations with Zach. So I was
feeling like I was about to just be able to
have more serious or deeper moments at him. So I
was excited to just keep growing in our relationship after
having a whole date like that, And um, we were tired,
for sure, but yeah, still like your gentleman is running,
so like you like, get how tired you are, You're

(30:13):
having he right, So it seemed like everything was going
swimmingly between Zak and his connections and his conversations with
the women. It seemed and this is something too, I
called it at the beginning. I loved the camaraderie between

(30:34):
the women. It seems like you all really supported each
other and you know, you don't always show it did
very like real friendships. Um, so it all seemed great
until Tajuan comes in with the curveball and she ended
up crashing the group date to pursue something with Zach

(30:55):
and I think it was Kat who came back and
broke that news to you. Correct, So like as the group,
like this collective group of women together, you know, we're
already all trying to do the same man. What was
it like hearing that that, like potentially one other bad
bitch just came in to maybe steal him? Um? Okay, Honestly,

(31:17):
my first thought was like, can you come back tomorrow,
like we're it's really late in the night, like we
can have a conversation about this, Like like I was
just like, oh, I can't believe this is happening right now. Also,
I didn't know actually in that current moment that she
was there to pursue him, right, Like we just hear
Tajuan's here, and I'm like, okay, so this like part
of the day portion, like what's going on? Like m

(31:40):
are we are she here to pursue him? Or is
she here to just like come kid us more corners?
Like I really we didn't know at that moment until
we went over to her and asked what was up.
But when she Kat first told us, we were all
just like huh, like what's happening? Right? But yeah, we
could have we had an idea, but it was still
not not confirmed the whole purpose of her coming was

(32:03):
and then and you didn't find that out until you
all went to chat with her. Correct, Yeah, we're okay, okay,
So well, I think we were having some mis community.
We didn't know if she was talking to him, and
we didn't want to like interrupt, you know, so we
didn't know like when or how we could walk over there.
But finally we were all just like, okay, let's just
go see what's going on, right, And then that's when

(32:25):
we asked her, and still didn't really get a direct answer.
It was mostly like just being told we didn't bring it.
So that's what I got caught like, that's what I
got caught off guard with. And as a viewer, I
was still in that moment thinking that she was just
coming in to give advice. But even then, I'm like

(32:47):
that it's not how you relay that. So I'm not
sure how that point was, but I'm curious of your
thoughts of one when she said her piece about how
you guys performed, and then it turned this transitions into
all of you can gout and we'll see you processing. Wait,
so you actually are here to talk to him, But
she made this comment. She said, if you feel and shoot,

(33:10):
I don't know if this was an interview or not,
or if it's directly to you guys, but she said,
if you feel that you're uncomfortable, or if you're uncomfortable
by my conversation with Zach, then that says a lot
about who you are, kind of hinting like, then you're
not a bad bitch, then you don't deserve to be here.
But then she turns around directly says, these girls should
be feeling nervous that I'm joining the competition. So it

(33:30):
was very like hype or critical because it's like you,
she's telling you guys to not be scared and to
not be threatened, and then goes back and says, oh,
you should be threatened what we are? Just what was
your reaction about how she approached this entire situation of
coming in. You know, being a bad bitch doesn't mean
you have to be mean. Thank you. You know. I'm

(33:51):
really happy that that was shown through because that's I
don't know if it was caught up that I did
say something like that. I'm like, well, this isn't badage energy,
this is like mean girl energy. This isn't really like
a way in which you approach a situation, or at
least I wouldn't. Actually in those moments too, it was
really chaotic, you know, there was a lot going on,

(34:14):
and also she wasn't really giving us straightforward answers, similar
to like her almost contradicting herself. But I was trying
to think, like, Okay, maybe she's a little insecure, or
maybe she doesn't want to talk about how she's hed
her maybe she just want to hurt our feelings, Like
maybe that's why it was hard for her to I'm
trying to give her the benefit of the doubt all
in all, Like maybe she didn't want to like say
that directly for multiple reasons, but definitely something I did

(34:38):
when it started to process of how she was approaching it,
I was like, this is just not a very good
display of like that energy. This is like kind of mean,
like you're not really being very nice to us. You're
like doing it in a way by kind of insulting
us through trying to build your relationship with him. So
that was But at the end of the day, I mean,

(34:59):
I wasn't here to like express myself or explain myself
like she basically was trying to tell us too. I think, like,
if you have a problem with it, like tell me.
But we were all just like it's not really worth
the energy because I'm not really sure how much of
what I'm going to say is going to be processed
the way we're trying to say, because she just misinterpreting
what we were saying, and I'm like, it's just not
worth it. Yeah, you know, well at the end of

(35:20):
the day too, like she can have her opinions as
a judge of like how you all handled the group
date and like what the goal was. But like, ultimately
this is Zach's gotta hate saying journey, like I need
a new word for journey. But like he's yeah, and
so he's there to find somebody at the end of this,
and like if he liked the date and what you

(35:41):
women were bringing to the table, like truly, that's all
that matters. And it's kind of like his final say, um,
I do want to know though, So obviously we see
Zach let Tajuan know that, like it just wouldn't be
fair to you women he sends her home. How would
you have felt, though, on the flip side, if he
had asked her to stay. Do they that would have switched,
like your view of him and like what he wanted

(36:04):
out of this, I don't think it would Like it
wouldn't adjust my view of who he is as a partner.
I think that point in the process would still early.
So if you do feel something with him or with
her and she feels it vice versa, I like, go
for it. It's not my place to tell you who
to not pursue at that point too. I mean, yeah,
it's not really unfair. We gave up our lives a

(36:25):
lot right now and she hasn't maybe a little bit
less sleep, But at the end of the day, this
is a show about finding our husband our wife, and
if you feel like you could have something with that,
then I would say go for it. Also, I want
my partner to choose me over everything, So if he
was feeling like he she would say temptation, and I
still want him to choose me over that temptation too,

(36:47):
So I would want her to be there if he
was feeling in that moment. Yeah, but it was like
still early enough for I don't know if it was
like a necessarily sting so much you know of him,
bring on the girl beautiful. That's what I was thinking too, Like,
thank goodness, it was the very first group day and
week one. I'm like, I don't know if if either
of you watched Caitlin Bristow's season a couple of years ago,

(37:09):
but like Nick Fielle came in, I think it was
like week four, like they had are like the team,
not the team, but like had already been traveling, like
they were already in her they were already in a
different city. Yeah, before I came in. I came in
on week three, and then Heather came in on like
week six, yeah, or something like. It was the group

(37:31):
of you, like a group of you where obviously it
was like no from I'm saying saying, right, but Heather,
Heather camean. Remember how Heather came in one? Yeah, she
came in like week six or seven. I can't it
doesn't make sense at that point to do it because
but but she kept in, That's what I'm saying, Like,

(37:51):
you know, Matt sent her other home, um, Zach sent
Taj home, But like Caitlin kept Nick tell the edge,
he was final too, Like yeah, so what's so difficult
in those situations too? Those because when you're only in
front of the lead's face for five ten minutes, sometimes

(38:12):
they can't see or pick out different like um alarming things,
cannot use flags. What's another word for that? Becca? Just
you know what I mean, you can it's it's a
red flag or liked. But then right, so like him
keeping her, even if he saw a brief connection, it

(38:34):
would also really think like made it a lot more
difficult for some of the women there to work through
it because the way that she approached you guys, And
so then a lot of that you guys would have
been like, oh, so he goes for people who handle
or treat other people in this manner or just communicate
in this man I would but at what all the
bad feelings? But he also didn't see that part, so

(38:57):
he kind of did himself a favor for it would
have the way that he did. I think it would
have definitely been a reflection of who he wants in
a person at the end of the day. You know,
I'm not sure what side he saw her, but just yeah,
the way she communicated wasn't really the most night like
the very pleasant, So it would have reflected on him

(39:18):
on what he wants to definitely. Yeah, Okay, we were
all good. Well you were all good because you ended
up getting that group date rose that night. Did you
expected did you think you he would handle that rose
that evening? No? I really had no idea. Honestly, when
he first said my name, like I didn't even hear it.

(39:41):
But no, I definitely did not think that I was
going to get that rose that night, just because I mean,
I've grown to learn and love everyone already, so and
I know that everyone had some substance behind a conversation,
so I think everybody was on the same playing field
and it was like fair game for everyone to have
gotten that rose that night. It was awesome and I
was very grateful and so happy and felt very validating

(40:04):
to receive. But I definitely was thinking like it could
have been anybody you know, and it was at the
way end of the night everyone I was like, oh me,
you deserve it, you earn it. And coming from somebody
who never once got a group date rose, I need
to know what it feels like, Michelle, did you ever
get one? I'm sure you did. Okay, can you guys

(40:27):
tell me what that feels like. I'm happy to share,
but I think especially in the beginning, and when you're
on a group with you know, nine or eight other girls,
you do feel really hurt and seen your most your
feelings for him and or for each other get validated,
and it makes you feel really like, Okay, I can

(40:48):
continue to be myself, like this is working, Like he's
feeling what I'm feeling right now, especially like he has
to compare it to the other moments that he's had
to the other girls. But I am someone that's standing
out to him, and that makes me feel like more
ready to keep progressing and seeing where this goes. I
would say, if I could put one word, it's definitely validating. Yeah,

(41:08):
to just make you feel comfortable about your relationship and
keep wanting to pursue it. Speaking of comfort in your relationships,
I know exactly, speaking of comfortaships. There's been a lot
not even a lot just my mom in this season

(41:30):
already that I think our fan favorites is just the
real rock conversation continues to roll after the credits, the
thing talking about key goals now to really talking about
people's comfort in their relationships with bodily fluids and functions.
Functions fluids, fun you, bodily unctions, I think it's either

(41:56):
where do you stand on this? Okay, well I think
we saw a little bit of where I stand on
it currently. Okay, this is my thought, Like, okay, I'm
a nurse, right, I can see every single thing come
out of you at once. It might be fine, but
you will just never know that that's like even happening
inside of me. So I don't know what it is

(42:17):
or why, but for some reason, I like just the
like of him thinking that that happens, like it makes
me constant, like I literally wait, okay, so I need
to know. And this is what I talked to Michelle Ian.
It might have been before we start of recording, but like,
have you ever lived with a man before? I have?
And okay, so I like, how long did you live for?

(42:39):
How long did you live with it? All right, I've
lived it. I've lived with him. I think we were
together for like two and a half years we lived
not we didn't live together very long, um, like maybe
like six months or so. But oh, okay, okay, he
doesn't know this at a story time, I'm adding myself.
But you know what, whatever, it's twenty twenty three, let's

(43:00):
do it. Um. There are ways around it okay. So
we lived on the first floor apartment. Somebody did not
leave every time you had to go to the bathroom.
If he was home and I had to go to
the bathroom. Usually, I'm telling you, I get consticated around
the men, so it doesn't typically have to be a thing,
but sometimes whatever. Um, we lived on the first floor
was a lecture apartment, and if I really had to go,

(43:23):
I would go to the lobby restroom and go to
the bathroom there and I would be like, yeah. He
texted me to be like where are you, Like what happened?
And I'm like, oh, the package thing is like just
take a long time. And my mom called me. I'm like,
I'm on a long conversation, but really I was just
going to the bathroom. Oh my god, this sounds exhaust

(43:43):
It was easy when you're on the first floor and
it was a nice place. So I kind of like
had my own moment, you know. It was great, like
I could be in my own space. But he still
doesn't said that, so whatever, But there are ways for
all the girls out there. They're still uncomfortable. I mean,
you gived time, given time we you want, okay, because

(44:04):
I'm not gonna I'm gonna like I feel I get that,
like I can to that you want to be comfortable.
You're just exactly Oh my god, I feel like I'm
on a whole different page than you. But I'm like
so open you with my girlfriends, Like I was just
on a weekend vacation with four of us in the
same hotel room and we were so open. We'd like
peet with the door open. We'd be like, Okay, somebody

(44:24):
played music, We're going in the bathroom. Like it's just Also,
I will say this because I'm fine. I'll do it
all day. We can be in the same room doing
all the things at once, especially on the show you
actually have to do at some parts. Yeah, if the
girls are fine, I don't care about the girls. It's
just something I just can't acknowledge that in front of it.
And it's funny. There's always two perspectives and they're always

(44:45):
to the most extreme. But it's just something I think
I'm gonna like die on that hill with I can't.
I think I've related. Most was it um Genevie, who
was like I'll do it and I was like, yes,
my girl. I was like, yeah, I see you. But
I will say like for like and I've talked actually
to Quitlin Bristow about this is like having a code
word or phrase just so you know where it's like

(45:06):
I have to go walk the dog right now, and
the other person gets in, They're like, Okay, go do
your things, see you later, and like that kind of
helps alleviate the weirdness, but it doesn't hand it. Yeah,
it takes a while to ease it. I will say that, Um, okay,
Catherine wee, I love I love these real conversations, like

(45:27):
real life stuff that like other people listening are like
I've had this conversation with my friends or you know,
it's I think this isn't the real shit. So, um,
we loved having you. I want to ask before we
get into our fun game and everything else. The last question,
without giving too much away, can you tease anything fun
that's about to come up on this season? Um? Well,

(45:50):
I do rebrand and I do become Cat next week
because I lookt with the Sefid girl, but she did
go home and I typically go by the name Kat
sorry with Katherine to kind of help with the confusion.
But so from now on that'll be me. Um. Also,
there's gonna be some competition that resulted in a few

(46:11):
injuries next Okay, wait, physical or physical or emotional injuries?
I guess it depends on how you look at it,
you know, yeah, let's both. But um, so yeah, there's
a lot of I think next week is going to
be really exciting. It was quite fun. Well, we're we're

(46:31):
really excited to stay tuned and figure out what those
things are. Well, Katherine, we have enjoyed chatting with you
so much. Today we're going to play a quick round
of rapid fire questions to kind of finish everything off
and to let our listeners learn a little bit more
about you. So how this is going to work is
I'm going to shoot you a question and you are
going to answer as quick as possible. It can be

(46:53):
short and sweet. You don't have to get okay, any explanation,
um and then back and now I'll just go back
and forth and the all right from there? Are you ready?
First question? Are you an early riser or a night owl?
Definitely a night owl? Okay, working nights now, best dabut
advice you've ever received? Um, I think to love yourself first. Definitely.

(47:17):
You can't really like be able to be fully present
relationship unless you love yourself first and understand that self love.
And that's something I've used for sure preach. What is
your go to pizza order? Okay, don't tojudge me, but
it really is just like a good old classic cheese.
But everybody yells at me for that, but gee is great. Wrong, Like,

(47:40):
you can never go wrong, and sometimes you're at random
pizza places, so don't let anyone shave you for your
pizza order. What is one word that your best friends
would use to describe you? Um, probably resilient. That's just
something I think the verbiage they've used to describe me
just um in all different friendships I've made. That's something

(48:02):
they've said. I think I have a lot of layers
that come with it. So that's that's incredibly deep. And
then that was this next question of what is your
favorite curse word? I don't really want to curse right
now because I'm trying to be better at it, but
I do love the F word, you know, make fudgeude,
And I actually like to put twists on it too,

(48:23):
like I always like say what the frick, or like, um,
what the frack? I say that a lot, but it's
always just somehow like goes well your sentences. Okay, do
you have any hidden talents, um, other than like being
able to stay up all night? Um, I think something
I said in my Thing when I was casting was

(48:45):
I can truly bringing all the groceries on one trip, like,
and I think that's a talent because you can't really
just I mean, I don't know why, but I will
never go back. I will never be a second trip girl.
It's groceries shop. It is no easy feat. It's not
like my my arms somehow extend like beyond belief. And

(49:05):
that's a talent. Honestly. You get making the grocery bags,
so you get that cut for because there is so
heavy love sectulations off. What is the most played song
or artists in your library? Oh? Always, I can't. Yeah,
I every single Actually her Tordaise I think come out

(49:26):
next week, so I'm so excited. Yeah that'll be that
would be good. Okat. What is your favorite cocktail? Um? Actually,
my newest one is a tequila with soda and Alignman
and orange. But the orange is is a must. You
have to have an orange and it's really good. Shot

(49:46):
of tequila. Shots of tequila, with an orange is so
much better than with a lounge changer, it is. And
with tequila with whiskey, I'll do Yeah, that's what. No,
you can do tequila too. I try that interesting shuts
it real nice. If you could be any animal, what

(50:07):
would you be, Um, I'd be Okay. I love cats,
so I know the fitting covery fitting. It is the kay,
But I do. I love cats. I have one of
my own, so that's my definitely Annie and might be
they just like they get to sleep and just like
get left on all the time, and they're smart and
they could be assholes for no reason. We just like
are okay with it so and get away with it right? Yeah? Yeah?

(50:29):
What is the current screensaver on your phone? Uh? It's
actually my cat Sammy. Do you want to see it?
She's so yeah, gets a little to hold it up.
Look at her. She's pretty. She's a beautiful cat. Angel.
I know. She's like just always walking on her like tiptoes,

(50:49):
her high heels, I call them. She's like, oh, queen,
she's what is um? Actually? No, if you could visit
one place in the world where it would it be? Um?
I really want to see Mount Fuji in Japan I
that is. I think it's one of the most beautiful
from what I've seen, can be one of the most
beautiful things to view. And I've always want to go

(51:09):
to Asia too, so that's something It's not my Bucke
list for sure. I love that. Okay, last one for
the game. If you had to just, oh my god,
I cannot talk. If you had to describe this season
of The Bachelor in one word or one phrase, what
would that be. I would say unique. There's a lot

(51:31):
of I know, everyone says like different, whatever I would say,
it's unique. I mean, for what I've heard on previous seasons,
there are a lot of things here that are different
than others, even in just the relationships amongst the women,
Like we're all very like nice to each other. There's
no real like mean girl or Cattius that I can say.
And then there's some things that truly truly have happened

(51:53):
that have really never happened. So it's gonna be really
fun to watch that play out, right, Yeah, we're excited it.
As Michelle said earlier, to tune in and just see
how everything unfolds, see where you had you know, if
it's any indication of getting that first group date. Rose,
I have high hopes for you. I feel like you're
gonna make it pretty far hopefully. So one a couple

(52:17):
last things before we let you go. Every week we
share a resource and then a rose and thorn. So
basically the resource is just we think it's so important
to keep our listeners informed and share important topics and
resources that we love, and we always share these on
our Instagram so people can go back and easily find it.
But I'll just kick it off. I'll have Michelle go

(52:39):
and then we will let you rep that part up
if that's cool with you. But the one I'm going
to share this week, I actually somebody had DMed me
this podcast recommendation and I gave the one that they
gave a specific episode. But I think every it's geared
towards parents, I would say, but honestly, like the one

(53:02):
that I listened to is geared towards anyone, especially people
like me who are white. It's called three and thirty
and this episode is called how to Talk to Kids
about Skin Tone and Race. And this episode the host
brings on a doctor. Her name is doctor Lacresha Barry,
and it focuses on giving children like words and tools

(53:25):
that they can actually use to have conversations and feel
confident about skin tone and race, so it's not like
out of the norm for them, and even for people
who are a little bit older, you know, like I'm
in my early thirties who haven't always had these conversations
to just have you feel more comfortable and give you
a starting point of like where you can start these
conversations with people in your lives. It gives three takeaways

(53:49):
in thirty minutes. I really urge anyone to listen to it.
It's a quick list and it's only thirty minutes, but
truly so beneficial to anyone at any age. So the
first takeaway is to reject the color blind approach, which
is basically like, oh I don't see color. The doctor
here basically said, like that's not a solution. It's it's

(54:12):
basically like, you know, don't cut out like what you
want to talk about. The second takeaway is to normalize
having these conversations and make them more consistent so they
can feel more natural and a lot of times, you know,
like children, they're so curious and at such a young age,
like they ask a lot of questions and they just
like notice things and say things differently than how adults would,

(54:32):
so to not shame them if they want to have
conversations or like say something, and just to be able
to like construct those conversations to make them feel like
they're learning something and can take that in the future.
And then the third tool is to actually invest in
racism education in order to gain a better understanding, so
it can't just be like a one and done thing
of like, oh I just listened to this one podcast

(54:55):
or like I read this one book and that's it.
Like to continue to educate hate yourselves and like really
dive deep into the history of racism and why it's
so still so prevalent in like today's society, um, and
how education can be a tool to de weaponize the
topic of race and skin tone. It's it's so great. UM.

(55:15):
I will definitely two or three, Like I think core
issues amongst everything that's been going on, especially when it
comes to having trying to navigate raising children, you know,
in this era, and those are a lot of points
that I think you need to be addressed and talked about.
And um, I love that that's a great tool for

(55:36):
everybody too. Yeah, I really enjoyed this episode, so again
I will link that on on Happy Hours Instagram on
my Instagram. UM, such a good listen to anyone at
any age. So that is my resource, m Michelle. I
love it so much. It's such a great resource that
I actually have the exact same one. Yeah. This person, Yeah,

(55:57):
this person messaged me as well, and I was able
to actually DM back and forth with her a little
bit and told her I'd give it a listen and
be talking about it on the podcast. And they have
so many good episodes. They really do have so many
good episodes. But you know, I'm not going to go
and share the story of kind of what I talked
about with or her personal personal story that she was

(56:20):
kind of talking to me about. But it really really
reminded and pointed to the fact that there are people
out here who are willing and wanting to break the
cycle and acknowledging that they may have grown up in
an environment that isn't as progressive and that it's a

(56:42):
lot of work, but making sure that they're passing on
tools to have these conversations. The biggest thing, similar Tobecca,
what you spoke about is that we all not we all,
but a lot of us grew up with this whole
concept of to Nazi color, and in that message, it
was to really speak on everyone treating everybody regardless, and

(57:05):
that was the message. But as we kind of move forward,
it is actually really important to see color and to
see the privilege that comes or does not come with
those things. And I loved how it was able to
touch on that because it seems like such an abrasive thing, like, no,
you should see color like you. But when you're seeing color,

(57:28):
it's because you're truly taking a step back to put
yourself and learn about that person's life or different communities
of people and what pressures or difficulties that they may have.
So one hundred percent agree to check that one out,
I believe. I don't know if you mentioned a Specca,
but Apple podcast is where you can find that one.

(57:49):
That's where I listened to. I think that's great too,
because you touched on the point of like, once you acknowledge,
once you start acknowledging things, it's when you can start
having some understanding. And I think a lot of people,
but some people I've seen, they don't even want to
acknowledge that we did grow up in a different era,
we did have different views and it does take time
and energy. They just rather ignore it and not want

(58:10):
to understand or put in the work to make sense
of everything that you know, people are trying to express
to them. But by acknowledging color, you're acknowledging issues and
then you can start having some understanding behind that to
be able to break the norms that we've already Yeah. Yeah,
in order to acknowledge a difference, do you have to
acknowledge that there is difference? Right? It's a real So

(58:32):
Kat with that, if you have a resource you would
like to share with our listeners, we would love that
as well. So I do. Minus also a podcast It
is called We Can Do Hard Things and the host
is gun and Doyle. She made this podcast coming off
of like the COVID era, and she read a book

(58:53):
and everything, and basically it centered around anybody who's really
struggling with any kind of complex emotions or situation. It
touches on body image, you know, identity, LGBTQ community, you know,
all the intersections and most people of color everything, and
they she brings on a lot of really amazing individuals

(59:15):
like authors, and that's also something that I've used to
continue to understand myself in my situations and make sense
of it. And it's just a really good resource to
be able to, i don't know, like make sense of
things that are hard that we don't really want to
make sense of, and like use that it's a tool
so that we can be able to better ourselves. And
it really hones on, I think, pretty much all of

(59:36):
the hard things that we don't really necessarily want to acknowledge.
And sometimes for me personally, it was developing like self
love for like the parts of me that I don't
really like. And most recent one I listened to was
talking about like radical self love and how to get back.
A lot of people now are starting with a body
dysmarkia and identity and stuff like that. But it's overall

(59:58):
a great podcast and it really can be something to
use to make to make yourself feel better and have
that like self love again and you know all the
positive things that come with it. But it's a tool
that I use that would love for everyone else to
be more aware of. And they're also on Apple and Spotifying.
Pretty sure it's called we Can Do Hard Things. Yeah,

(01:00:20):
it really is like talking about hard things like no
one wants to talk about. And I think not only
is the conversation being had, but being able to be
to learn about the people that they bring on. They
also can teach you things too, just from their own work.
A lot of them are like good authors, and I've
read a lot of books through it to kind of
just like do that work. Because you have to do

(01:00:41):
work for yourself and there's no one else that's going
to hold your hand. You have to put in a
lot of energy towards it because it is hard to
make that conscious effort. But normalizing things that we don't
really want to acknowledge, I think is great and that's
something I think is the cool tool to have. Well,
thank you, I appreciate that, cat. And then before we
have you go, we would love if you could share

(01:01:03):
your rose and your thorn. So basically, the rose is
like highlights so far on your time on The Bachelor,
whether that was back during filming or now these first
couple of weeks watching it back. And then vice versa
said the thorn, which is like a messy moment, something awkward,
something that you're like, oh, I wish that maybe didn't happen.
So basically, highlight and low light so far. Okay, so

(01:01:27):
up to this point, I would say a rose would
be us moving into the mansion, like when we first
run in, and it really is as exciting as it seems.
I'm from Florida, so seeing the mountains like be the
horizon felt like outer space. It was crazy, but you
just like feel this feeling of excitement and enlightment that
you really can't express or like. It's just an overall

(01:01:50):
overwhelming just gratitude too to be in the Bachelor mansion.
And I would say that was like one of my
most exciting things. That's farm and then a thorn. Probably
my toes going up during the first real ceremonies fully
went nam. I mean I was just not expecting. Now
I'm obviously putting back on, but you're on that costool

(01:02:12):
and my toes lost full feeling, full feeling, and I'm like,
oh God, like, why did I not think this through better?
I should afford better shoes. Yes, and it's cold at night,
it gets very cold there, so oh, I couldn't even
feel anything aside. I mean I was my toes were
falling off their hinges. Well, if that's your thorn, I

(01:02:33):
feel like that's like a pretty good one to have, Like, yeah,
hopefully you get gained feeling that's real quick. But there's
some more. Yeah, there's some more things that happened later
on that might be we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, well, Catherine,
it has been so much fun having you here and
getting to know you a bit more. We can't wait
to see where your story goes on this season. So

(01:02:53):
thank you, no, thank you, guys. It was so great
talking to you. I hope we can still continue to
have girl time after this because you are great and
I respect everything that you guys have broughten to my
life through this too, So thanks so much. Thank you,
and we're always here if you need advice or to vent,
to ask questions, whatever. We're always serious, so please please

(01:03:14):
reach out. Amazing. Okay, well that was a good one.
I liked Kat. I really do like getting to know
these girls so much more, just on a deeper level.
It's it's so much fun. Yeah, I think she'll know
far I have a feeling. So thank Kat for joining us,
and thank you to all of our listeners out there.

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