January 18, 2023 • 53 mins
Sean Lowe makes his first appearance on “Bachelor Happy Hour” this week, and, as expected, the man does not disappoint! In his conversation with Becca and Michelle, Sean gives us an inside scoop on his friendship with Zach and the advice he gave him going into his season of “The Bachelor.” Sean also talks about his own experience as the Bachelor and how he used that to help prepare Zach for his journey to come.
Plus, Becca and Michelle discuss the ever-changing impact of social media on the leads, and Sean reveals what life at home is like with Catherine and their three beautiful children.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up Happy our listeners. I'm back at Kofren and
I am Shelle Young and we're excited to be back
with you once again. This week. For the first time ever,
we have a new guests who'll be joining Happy Hour,
and that is mister Sean Lowe, one of our favorites.
So we can't wait to have him on very shortly. Yeah,
so we are so excited. And even though he is
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this new guest, he's definitely not new to Bachelor Nation.
He's been around for quite some time. And he actually
is going to make some type of appearance in in
Zach season coming forward. And I have so many questions
for this man, just because I feel like there's so
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many different things that are going on. There's so many
different factors when you're like stepping into the lead role,
and so I'm really curious to kind of hear the
advice that he gives to Zach and Becca. You and
I were kind of just talking about this of how
how does somebody come in being in Bachelor World. He's
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gone through, he's been a lead, he had a very
successful relationship, but to come in and give advice in
now a new world with social media and the leads
having to navigate that social media platform and that's something
that's in the back of your head as you're filming,
and so I'm curious to see like the perspective he's
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gonna bring. Yeah, oh, definitely, and he for all of
our listeners out there, Sean was Bachelor in twenty thirteen.
I was fresh out of college. I remember I just
moved back home watching this season with my mom. My
mom like loved him, and so he it was I
would say, a different era of the Bachelor franchise as
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a whole, you know, like you said social media. I
mean Facebook was around, Instagram was kind of just starting,
but it was a completely different ballgame at that time,
and I think every lead goes into their season different. Obviously,
Zach's going into his season, which is coming out next week,
by the way, which is crazy to think, in a
completely different mindset that I'm sure either one of us
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felt when we were stepping into that role. So yeah,
I'm very curious to see. I'm glad that Sean was
there to be a sounding board to offer advice. I'm
sure he went in with the intention of like wanting
Zach to find love and to find a relationship that
he can build on outside of the show. I would
be interested to see if he had social media and
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that aspect in the back of his mind when he
went into his season. I can imagine he probably didn't,
so it's totally different. But he has lived in this
world now for almost well god, now it is a decade, damn.
So yeah, we definitely have a lot to pick his
brain on. I'm excited to see Sean. It's been a
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few seasons, I think, since we've seen him make an
appearance on somebody's season. I guess. So with that, I mean,
we can just keep talking and speculating and spewing, but
I think we should just bring them on and get
into this, right, Michelle, I'm I'm excited. I'm excited. Let's
bring him on. Bring on the man. Well, welcome to
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Happy Hour, Sean. Michelle and I were just saying, I mean,
you've been in this franchise for a hot second, but
this is your first official appearance on Happy Hour. Yeah,
so why are you bringing the old man out of retirement?
What's going on here? We didn't bring you up. The
franchise brought you back out. We heard you make a
little guests appearance this season. Yeah, I spent some time
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with Zach. I love that guy. Yeah. We we're gonna
get into all of that. I do have to say though,
just speaking of like time frames and everything your season
aired in and correct me if I'm around twenty thirteen,
right ten years ago? How do you not age? You
literally look the same? Thank you? What is the skincare routine?
How can I get it? I'm the words of affirmation person,
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So keep keep this coming. I'm over here laughing, Sean,
because this girl is brown knowsing you. She literally before
you got on, Becca Goes. I just graduated college when
your season came on. I was still in college, Sean. Oh,
college sounds good. I mean I hear from people all
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the time. We were like, oh, my mom loves you.
I was old and she would let me, you know,
watch your Bachelor with her. So I did what she said, Sean,
my mom does love you. I think I might have
told you this when I first met you and Catherine
a couple of years ago, but she fell in love
with you. And this is a throwback too. I think
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it was Emily's season when you brought her to your
hometown and you did the whole setup where you were like,
I still live with my parents, I don't do my laundry,
my rooms and mess I'm waiting for my mom to
clean it. And then at the end of the day
you're like, ha, jokes on you, I'm actually like a
functioning adult. And my mom that's when she fell in love.
She's like, this guy is great. He needs to be
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the bachelor. So she that was that was the moment
that you hooked Mom and Joe. Well, I'm glad, I'm
glad to hear that. Over the years, that's probably the
number one moment that people point out like, yeah, it
was hilarious, it was so good. It was so good.
How many, I would say, one of the iconic moments
of the franchise. How many people actually thought you still
don't do like that, You actually didn't do your laundry.
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Did you get so many messages about that? Well, I mean,
if you watch the episode, it's pretty clear like it's
a joke. It's a joke. Stuck the animals all over
the room to make it look like I was extra childish. Yeah,
it was to the extreme. I think most people understood
it was so good. Um, well, let's just catch up,
How has life been? How is everything with Catherine and
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the cute kiddos? Katherine and I are taking a break. Um,
I thought I would out here on your podcast first.
Oh my god, the headlines are going to go wild
after this, just so much. This man knows what he's doing.
Life kids not being better. We I mean, we just
we have a beautiful life. Were so incredibly grateful and thankful.
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We've got three kids who drive me absolutely up the walls,
but we love them anyway, and they're healthy and happy.
And Katherine and I it's funny, like not to sound
too cliche, but ten years ago, when we're shooting The Bachelor,
we were having these conversations like what does the future
look like when we start talking about how we want
to have a family and how we just want to
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be with our best friend and at the end of
a long day be on the couch and our sweatpants
and watch a movie. Well, ten years later, we're living
our dreams. So I'm super brit love that. Such a
cute family. How old are the kids? A? Six, four,
and three? So we time and we are currently in
the thick of it. Oh yeah, you have your hands full, Okay,
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So I'm curious then those those are like pivotal ages
for each of them. That's that's wild. But what is
your what is your number one pet peeve that your
kids do. You don't have to go down the line
of which kid, just in general, I got a laundry
list of I'm glad you asked. Let's say, off the
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top of my head. It drives me nuts when they'll
yell like daddy, daddy, daddy, and I'm not even in
the same room. I'm like upstairs somewhere and they just daddy,
like they expect me to come find them. I'm like, no,
come find me, daddy. That's probably the first one that
comes to mind. But you know, they do a lot
of things that irritate Catherine and I, Um, but they
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also have some good qualities too. Yeah. Well, I hate
to break it to you, but they never work her
own that face. I still do that to my mom
when I'm home Mom, and I do the thing too.
I don't know if your kids do this where I
try to incentivise her, like, mom Um, if you come
to me and bring me a bowl of popcorn, I'll
give you a kiss and a hug. Or do you
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do it you have to start bargaining with them, like,
I'll come to you if you give me a hug.
I did this morning. I had milk that my daughter
wanted and I'm like, just give me a kiss. I'll
give you the milk. And she refused to give me
a kids, I'm not giving you the milk. And then
after like in the go kidding, she finally gave me
the kiss and then she milk. You want to, oh, precious.
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So how were your holidays? Did you do anything fun
with them? Do you have any special traditions that you
do as your family? Uh? Yeah, the holidays were great. Christmas,
my whole extended family, they're all here in the Dallas area.
They all came to our house and we had a
full house. Couldn't have been better just hanging out. We
did karaoke. Um. So Katherine loves to incorporate some of
her Filipino traditions. Filipinos love karaoke, and so she got
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a karaoke machine into our house and the whole family
did that. That was a blast. In terms of traditions,
my dad started one years ago that Katherine absolutely loves.
He calls it Jammie Coco Christmas and that is when
you put your pajamas on and then you drive the
neighborhood looking at Christmas lights, listening to Christmas music. Um.
And so we did that as a family and that
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was a great time too. Oh I love that. I'm
still that Christmas straight out of a Christmas movie, my dad.
It's a trade market. That's perfect. Oh my gosh, she's
gonna be like the tour guide one. You're like picking
up people and be like, come on, Jamie Coco Christmas hopping.
If you knew my dad, you would know he would
love that. That's absolutely amazing. So you have you do
you have the holidays and roll engineers, and you know,
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you think about all the everything that's going on. You
said that you and Katherine used to like talk about
the moments like this that you're literally living out day
by day. Ye. Do you have any more plans in
the future, like potentially more kids? Can we see a baby?
Low number four? Um, you already got your hands. I
(10:01):
had a dollar for every time I've been asked that.
I think originally our plan was to have more than three,
and then we had three three and we realized, like,
holy crap, this is a lot of work. So we
might we might be done. Um, we talk about it occasionally.
We were really happy with the way our family looks
(10:22):
and feels right now, like our two boys and our
girl being the youngest. Everyone is just we're in a
really good groove. So I don't think that we want
to go back to diapers. We just got me out
of diapers, were happy with three, So I think we
might be settled here. Yeah, well, whatever you decide. I mean,
you have just the cutest family right now. And speaking
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of family, so you and Catherine had been married almost
nine years, right, it was about a year after the
show were you Well, you actually had the wedding on
TV for about that part um. What and I'm sure
you get ask this all the time, but what is
like one of your secrets or one or two bits
of advice that you would say makes a healthy marriage? Oh? Man?
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So number one? And this is really the easiest. It's
the hardest and it's the easiest, but it's commit. You
have to commit no matter what, no matter what your
feelings tell you, your feelings are gonna lie to you.
In case you didn't know that, there's a news flash,
like there are gonna be days where Catherine does not
feel like loving me and vice versa. But we have
together committed to make it work no matter what. And
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I think when you commit, what you find over time
is that your relationship gets stronger and stronger and stronger,
and the foundation is getting firmer and firmer and firmer.
And then when you couple that with both of us,
like the foundation of our lives is our faith, so
with our faith and then commitment. It's really that simple,
And like I said, it can also be the hardest
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thing because there are days where it's really difficult and
we still arguing, we still fight, and we still have
all the same issues that any couple has, but we
just know, like in the worst of it, we're still
going to be together at the end of the day.
I still love her madly. I'm not going anywhere no
matter what. She knows that I know that. Um So
I tell people all the time, like a healthy, good
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marriage starts with commitment. That's so true, though, and that's
I love the fact that you added in It's it's
simple because it's one word, but it's also so difficult
on those days with emotions and thinking with your head
when when your heart is pissed off, that's all right,
and to expand on it, like the world that we
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currently live in, like just having a little bit of notoriety,
having million followers or whatever the case may be. I
think it's really easy to fool yourself that the grass
is greener or I've got all these other options. You know, Oh,
plenty of guys would love to be with me, or
girls would love to be with me, whatever, Like it's
just the grass is not greener. Find so much fulfillment,
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uh in committing to the person that you vowed to
love for the rest of your life. And so that's
that's my message. It is so interesting as kind of
like you're talking around your piece of advice and as
a lead, you were a lead ten years ago, and
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like you said, the world is so different now, and
being a lead in Bastel Nation with the Jurassic polls
of social media, that's also different. How do you feel
like you're able to kind of come into Zach's season
and really like deliver advice to him with that difference,
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But also you have you know, you have a successful relationship,
but it was also in a different time period, you know.
I don't mean to say time period era, but you
get yeah, but you get him kind of like asking
he was great, y'all, it was great, but but yeah,
there's just such different pressures. Well, I know what you mean,
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and like they they invited me on, but I went
into it not knowing who Zach is as a man, UM,
and I think I'm a pretty good read of character.
And um, I think we have had a lot of
leads in the past where you can just tell within
the first few minutes of meeting them, like, this guy
is really not serious. He might make it for entertaining TV,
(14:25):
who knows, but the chances of him actually getting engaged
and ultimately getting married or slim to none. Right, within
the first few minutes of meeting Zach, I could just
tell he's a different guy, like he is, um, he's
a good guy. But I could also tell that he
was completely sincere and he was vulnerable enough to just
asked me, h, like real questions like how did you
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handle this? What did you do in this situation? And
I knew it wasn't for the cameras. And in fact,
he's called me post show just to um to check
in with me, and you know it's U, So I
say all that to say is like I knew when
I was giving Zach advice he would take it to heart.
And I have the utmost confidence that he's going to
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be a great bachelor. Now, who knows what that means
in terms of ratings, but I knew that he would
take my advice, and so I think it's it's general advice,
it's I don't know the social media aspect. Probably you know,
he might have to deal with some stuff that I didn't.
I don't know. It was ten years ago there was
social media. By the libshell, Yeah, I know there's social media.
(15:31):
It was just no, I get what you're saying. It
was just more of like the fact as Okay, So
when you're a lead, you come off from just being
a contestant. So you just went through like the massive
learning curve and being in the public eye, being vulnerable,
and then so many people have words for you of
like how you handled yourself, and so then you roll
over into being a lead and you can be you know,
(15:52):
genuine authentic. But it's so hard sometimes to not feel
robotic at times because you're just in the back of
your head there's always like you know that so many
people are gonna have an issue with something like how
will this be perceived? How will this be perceived me
in a certain situation. Yeah, it can completely engulf you.
And Clayton was very open about that. You know, just
(16:17):
you tense up and you're talking about on the social
media side, like the comments that you're going to read
and things like that just in the back of your
head of you went through you kind of went through
a beating, whether you were loved or not loved you.
You went through all these different comments of whether it's
in a comment section, of whether it's on Reddit, whether
someone always is has an issue with what you're doing.
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And that's really hard to then go into a lead
and sometimes having the back of your head and not
have that in the front of your head because do
you know what I'm saying, that can definitely be challenging.
And back back in my day, back in the olden
days like Twitter with the Biggest Boy, and I remember
having some of those thoughts. I think for me, the
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biggest thing personally was like, I don't want to do
or say anything that's gonna embarrass my family or yeah,
put me in a bad position when this is all over,
because I had no way to know like life would
look like it does all these years later. I thought
I'd go back and work a normal job and do
those things. So I didn't want to do anything that
would put any of that in peril, and probably, like
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the comments on Twitter, was secondary, but I still had
those thoughts too. But I think you know, and you
guys know, after a week or two of filming, it's
almost like you forget about the cameras. Some of that
stuff drowns out, and then I was able just to
kind of open up. I was probably a little bit
more free in my expressions and my thoughts and things
like that, and I really didn't think about it as much.
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But with that being said, everybody's different. That's just kind
of how I handled it. Yeah, Well, and Shawn to
play like I can. I feel like I'm kind of
on the fence of like I'm sure what you experience
and Michelle, what you experienced. Like when I was lead,
which was twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, it was the time
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where like social media, guess was around, but like this
whole world of influencing hadn't really fully blown up yet.
It came after that, and so like, yeah, people would
do like small ads here and there, but it wasn't
like the world that it is now. So like from
my personal experience, when I went in on our season
of The Bachelor, you know, like I had no idea
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what I was getting into. I had no idea what
social media would even be because I had four hundred
and thirty eight followers, Like it was like my friends
from high school, from college, and like that was it.
I didn't like, I wasn't exposed to like the world
it is today. And so right after that, when I
went into The Bachelor, I wasn't really thinking about social
media in the back of my head. I like my
full focus was like I want to find a partner
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that's good for me, that will fit into my life
with my family and vice versa. It wasn't until coming
out where things really blew up where that's when I realized, like,
oh wow, this is totally different ballgame, and this is
something that I didn't even think to think about when
I was in that position. And so I mean, and
you you both experienced being leads, and you know how
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you kind of have to compartmentalize your relationships with every contestant.
I feel like that's what you have to do with
this process in general, like you have your like your
chapters of this, like you go through being the lead
and that you film for a couple months and you're
in the mindset of like finding love and really being
so expressive with your feelings and your emotions, and then
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you come out of it, and then you go through
this whirlwind of press and then your show air. So
it's like all these different pieces of it that Zach
hasn't fully experienced a lot of it yet. So Sean,
I'm sure like when you went in it was probably
like you keep saying, the show's going back to the basics,
like you and I would love to like pick your
brain on this, But when you went in to meet
with Zach, was it focus more on that love like
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finding the right partner for you for your life and
vice versa. So when I'm it was Zach, it was
more of just like, hey, this is about to be crazy,
like you, but you really don't know, you don't know
what you're walking into and it will be so surreal
and it's gonna be nuts, and then the hardest part
will probably be after the camera stop rolling, and like
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you said, the press is about to start, and he's
just it's a whirlwind, right, And so I wanted to
really just prepare him mentally for all of that. And
I also wanted to be realistic with him, like, hey,
I know you're filming a TV show and the goal
is to hopefully find love. But I also wanted to
tell him like, hey, it's okay if that didn't happen,
Like there's a chance you could meet twenty five wonderful women,
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but one of them might not be a match for you,
and that's okay to walk away from all this and say, hey,
I gave it a try. I had a great experience
once in a lifetime, but you know, it didn't work
out for me. But I just wanted Zack to know, like,
don't don't make this harder than it really needs to be,
because it is if you can just relax and have
fun with it. It's an amazing opportunity to track the
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world and do things that you would never do otherwise. Like,
it's so much fun, so just enjoy every moment of
it and relax, you know, don't worry about all the
other crap. Truly, truly, Yeah, best advice right there kind
of said it better than myself. So I was I
love that you said, don't worry about all the other crap.
I'm actually reading a book where like, at one part,
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this woman is so caught up in like finding the
right job and like figuring herself out in life, and
she's like putting so much pressure on what other people
are thinking of her. And basically the conclusion is like,
no one effing cares. Like people want you to succeed
and be happy in whatever way, shape or form that is.
And I was like, this is a great bit of
advice that I think everyone could use at any point
in their life. So when you went into me with him,
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what did he what did Zach seem most nervous about? Like,
is there any really great questions he asked you that
you could kind of guide him on. You know, he
was if I had to sum it up, he was
probably more nervous and anxious um, which most normal people
(22:03):
would be, not knowing what's in store for you over
the course of tea. UM. And I you know, I'm
not really there to give advice. I've I've done that
for so many How many times have they brought the
old guy out of retirement to give advice to these
new bachelors. Um, I just you're not even old at all. No,
You're really not makes this all feeling feel old? No,
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you know. More than anything, I wasn't there to give advice.
I just wanted him to know, like, Hey, you've got
a buddy here. If you need me, reach out. And
it was kind of cool that we did FaceTime a
couple times throughout the season, um, just because I wanted
to make sure he was he was doing well mentally.
It can definitely take a toll on you, especially when
you're the lead. You really don't have friends. You know,
when you're one of twenty five guys on The Bachelorette
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you can kind of make friends and you can talk
to them when you're not filming and hang out. You
really don't have that luxury as a lead outside of
some the producers around you. So I just wanted him
to know, like, Hey, very few people have gone through this,
but I have, So if you need me, I'm here
for you. I really love the way that you've kind
of have broken down, how you and Zach have built
a relationship throughout him being announced to now getting ready
(23:19):
for him to air on the show, and with all
of that you haven't. You've been in bacheldation and for like,
those who you know follow you on social media might
keep up with everything, but you aren't always around. And
now recently you've come back. Would you say that you
came back because like, does a part of Zach remind
(23:41):
you of yourself? Well, the truth is that I'm desperately
clinging to my fifteen minutes of fame and I saw
so that's where I came from. It's honestly as simple
as I got to know Zach. I really really like Zach,
like we will be friends. Um and listen, this first episode,
(24:02):
they're gonna show the absolutely ridiculous stuff with me and Zach.
I said, I will do this, but I don't want
to do the same old, same old sit down give advice.
The guy's not really listening. I said, if I'm gonna
do it, let's let's try to make it funny. Yeah,
so put ourselves in some really funny situations. I don't
know how it's going to perceive. I'm so intrigued. I
(24:24):
know it seems like like a young girl, like a
young grasshopper situation, karate kid training him in wax on
wax off washing the car with Zak. Yeah, and the
sad thing is, I'm mister, that's that's but like that's
what's great. I can already picture like you being in
(24:44):
these situations where you're training him how to like navigate
like Bachelor boot Camp. Almost. Well, it's probably good for
him to like loosen up and feel more comfortable in
this role. And you know, yes, he's used to the
cameras around he filmed on Gabby and Rachel's season, but
this is the first time we're it's like the focus
is solely on him. So I'm sure this helped in
a way. I mean, damn, I wish I had something.
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I mean I did have the girls like the previous
batch or it's come to see me. But it's always
nice to help loosen you up a little bit. And
so yeah, we went in. We did some really goofy stuff.
I think he'll show his personality. I think people are
going to him really quickly. We did see some shower
scenes of you two in the promos, so yeah, I
told you way to hook the viewers. I okay, So
(25:28):
I want to ask you then about your time as
the Bachelor too, And again, everyone experiences everything so differently.
What were some of your biggest fears and on the
flip side, like what were you most excited about for
that first night? Oh man, fears fears. I really don't
think I had any fears, Like I was so excited
(25:51):
just for the experience, right, And I think part of
that excitement is not knowing what's around the corner. So
every limo that pulls up, I had no idea who
was walking out, if they would be a potential match
or not. I didn't know that this cute, bubbly little
Filipino girl was going to come out and take my heart.
But yeah, I really didn't have any fear like I
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And I think part of that is because I'd gone
through three months of being on the Bachelorette and I
got to feel for how things work, and uh, you know,
I really enjoyed my time on it. I had a
lot of fun, made friends with the producers, and so
going into the Bachelor, I was more just kind of
stoked about it, for lack of a better word, than
anything else. And so I was really really excited. And
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then as far as things I was looking forward to,
just you know, traveling and having these experiences that the
normal person doesn't get to have, right, Yeah, Like every
little date you go on is not something that you know,
Joe Schmo gets to do. And so the idea of
trapping and doing these amazing things all around the globe
was so exciting to me. I love that. I'm curious,
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do you have a favorite or do you have a
specific entrance from when you were a lead that you
recalled aside from Catherine, But whether it's it funny or
something weird? Which one comes out from your night one
when you were There's there's two that come to mind immediately.
One was a girl named Robin, who Catherine is still
(27:17):
very good friends with. She tried to do like a
backhand spring in her dress and she fell on her
head um, and I felt for her that rushed over
to try to pick her up. So like that was
not the entrance she wanted to make. Please come to
her longer than night one. Yes, yes, she and I
actually now I'm friends with her husband, so at all. Okay,
(27:38):
that's amazing. She's gonna be so pissed at you for
bringing that out. She's like, we let that die, we
buried it, and now I mean talking about it again.
Tell me she's done. Another backhand spring, like with you
and Catherine at some point, No, but we need to
ask her to Oh man, that disamount. I want to
see it though. Yeah. And then the second one that
(27:59):
comes to mind, like Fifty Shades of Gray was the
biggest book at the time, and so one of the
girls came up. She was like holding a tie and
she made a fifty Shades of Gray reference and like,
if you know me, that's just that's not really gonna
hook me, right, And so like that was the first
moment of me thinking, Okay, this is gonna be a
mixed bag, Like it's not just these girls that are
(28:19):
well suited for me. Yeah, you're like, what did I
sign up for it? Exactly? Did you? I know that
Catherine had She wrote you notes throughout the season, like
whether it's posted or postcards, do you still have all
of those? I still have a lot of them. Yeah, yeah,
they're very special. I'm sure. Yeah. I was like, if
you got rid of those, man, get out of here.
(28:41):
She wrote me, And this is really tragic. She wrote
me this long note right before um I proposed to her,
and so Chris Harrison walks out, he gives me this
note and at the time I thought, oh my goodness,
this is like a Dear John letter where she's leaving
me here and she's not gonna up, you know, as
I'm about to propose. And it was just a note
about how she wanted to live the rest of her
(29:02):
life with me and how she wanted to create a
family with me, and it was very very special. And
so I've always kept that in my Bible. Right, and
just recently, someone broke into my truck my Bible and
you're kidding, that's gonna be karma coming back to them,
though you're kidding. Wait, this needs to get to that person,
(29:23):
make it right, deliver the Bible back. I'm trying. I'm
trying to get it back. Also just the fact that like,
first of all, your truck got broken into, and that's
what they took. I know it was then I had
a bag in my truck and then just snashed the bag.
And sometimes people are the worst. Oh my gosh, Well,
I hope they feel terrible once they read this letter
(29:43):
and the Bible. Hopefully they read it all. Hopefully they
read the Bible is put it on your doorstep, just
leave the letter, like you don't even have to come forward.
But but redeliver the letter. Yeah, what are the odds
the thief listens to a bachel podcast. Yeah, there's definitely
a slim pickings. But if anyone goes anywhere though, you know,
(30:08):
that's a bummer. Well, at least you still have some
of the other ones. And I'm pretty sure the show
didn't she like it had her words like when you
were reading that, right, So it's like you still have
some part of it hopefully. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Trying to find the silver lining here for you. Seriously,
So we've talked a little bit about your conversations with Zach,
(30:30):
but there's a lot of contestants that are stepping out
of the limo for the first time. Um, what is
any advice that any advice if they're listening, that you
could give to contestants on this season of what they
have to look forward to? Um, and anyone who potentially
wants to be a contestant in the future on seasons
that aren't even around yet. Um. Okay, Well, first thing
(30:52):
that comes to mind, don't take yourself too seriously because
at its core, it is a very silly show, right, Like,
it's absolutely ridiculous. I think the people that go into it,
and there were one or two women on my season
that kind of had this thought like Sean is going
to be my husband, like night one, like they just
I'm here to fall in love, Sean's gonna be my husband.
(31:13):
Those people are a little crazy, right, Like just be
a normal person is going to go into it and
think like this is just gonna be a great experience
no matter what happens, good or bad, It's gonna be
a great experience for me. And I'm not going to
take myself too seriously because at its core, it's a
silly show and if I find love even better. So
(31:35):
that's that's my biggest piece of advice, like don't take
yourself seriously. I mean we need to just like make
an advice thing for everyone coming on the show and
be like just read this. Here's a list from all
the past leads of things that you shouldn't should not do. Okay, wait,
I have a super curious question that just popped into
(31:56):
my head. Ye are the female least for the bachelorettes,
there was like this, um, what what do you call it?
Like this by what was it a bachelorte? We're talking
about this again? Okay, but I'm curious though, is all
the bachelorettes like we're in a group chat, but there
(32:17):
there is this bachelortte bible of advice? Was there? Like?
Has there been anything like that with the bachelor's like
with the men, Like, do you guys put each other
in group chats where you like include everybody? Is there
like a passing of the torch? Is there like any
like top secret stuff you're not supposed to share that
you can share with us? Honestly not, to my knowledge,
(32:38):
there was never a bachelor Bible. There's never been a
group text, or if there has, I was left out
of it. Um dang. I was kind of flying blind. Um.
I had never even met Ben Flannic, who was the
bachelor before me, and I didn't really know what I
was getting myself into. I wish that I had some
guidance that might have helped a little bit interesting, But yeah,
(32:59):
I don't. I don't think the bachelors have done it.
Sounds like a near as good a job as the
bachelottes have done in that regard, you know, the difference
between men and women. I also think as I didn't
read it well, I tried sending it to someone, I
just didn't make it. You know, we try, We totally,
(33:20):
but um, I don't. I was gonna say somebody. I
don't remember what else where I was going with that. Um,
but all right, Okay, Sean, it has been so much
fun having you here. We're actually very excited to see
your appearance and whatever silliness you have to bring for
this season of the Bachelorum. Hopefully, like we said, it
helps Zack loosen up a little bit, just get his bearings. Um.
(33:42):
But yeah, we can't wait to see what goes down.
Do you know what happens in the end? Do you
know any teasers or spoilers? I do. I'm not going
to spoil it, but I know what happens. Okay. I
have no idea we're going to blind this season, so okay, well,
I'll be the the ABC promoter guy. It's going to
be great. Tune in watch it. M Yeah again, everyone
(34:03):
in premierees next week, which is crazy to say already,
So yeah, we'll see what that first episode has to hold. Now, Sean,
we're going to get into the last little bits of
this podcast, and every week we sort of this new
thing where we like to share resources and just keep
our listeners informed about social issues and so Michelle, would
you like to kick it off this week? Yeah? Absolutely.
(34:28):
I write an article like two weeks ago that came
across my page and it was interesting because it's titled
Deconstructing Karen and it's really interesting. I actually just pulled
it up here because I wanted to point at to
(34:48):
something that was like included in it. So like it's
um like an Apple iTunes documentary, So I have a
an account, but if you don't, you do have to
pay like many an instance or something that. So it's
not like a free resource, but it's definitely worth it.
And it talks about just kind of really for white
(35:10):
women to start deconstructing racism and starting the journey to
become anti racist and getting real about it and how
to become an ally in those different things. And it
is like touchy is not the correct word. It definitely
is for somebody who is more open to bettering themselves,
(35:35):
for sure, and it really does challenge that. It reminded
me a lot of what is that book called I'm
Blinking that I gave a wreck for white white fragility,
very similar but from a woman's perspective. And so yeah,
I think it's an interesting read. It's an edgier read
(35:56):
or listening you can listen to, and I'll link both
of them. I'll link the article and then i'll also
link um the docuseries that's on Apple iTunes that you
can that you can get um. But yeah, I really
like it and it really touches on the whole you
know that person that you picture with Karen and really
holding yourself accountable, and we know what Karen means. Um.
(36:21):
I know after people hear this, people named Karen will
probably comfort you, like, so it's nothing to get. Yeah,
it's en, it's the yeah, and it's not against this
is only for Karen's no, you know, just kind of
what that words it's all about, like syntax and words
have meaning and all that stuff, right, and being a Karen.
(36:42):
There are very nice people who are named Karen, but
being a Karen means just somebody who's not lifting others up,
and it really combats that. So um, deconstructing Karen. All right,
we'll thank you, Michelle, yea, Sean, I'll just share mine
and then we'll let you wrap with yours. But I
so I have two, Like one is just kind of
(37:03):
one that fell into my lap. That's like probably not
the best resource to share. But there is a show. God,
I don't even want to say what this is. There's
a show on Netflix that I think is new. It's
called Partner Track, and it's not great, but now I'm
in it, so it's like I might as well just
finish it. But I think it's like within episode five
(37:24):
or six, there's a part and it's basically about this
law firm in New York City and there's two of
the actors in it. One is black, one is white.
They have this confrontation in a room where the white
man says something like, well, you like are on track
to become partner because you're black and the black characters
(37:44):
also gay, and so he's like these two things under
your belt. They're not going to fire you. You basically
have a job security. So it goes into this whole
discussion of the black man and I don't remember their names. Again, Like,
the show's not great, but it is a very good
scene to learn from. That's why I'm referencing it. Is
the black man is like, you like that is that
(38:05):
to its core? Like it has racist undertones, And he
goes on to explain like why that thought mentality, especially
like in this very white dominated workforce, is is hindering
other employees. And so I would I would just say
maybe check out like episode five of this show, and
then the actual resource that I want to share is
(38:25):
it's Michell. We've talked about this podcast before, the Still
Processing podcast. I think it's the newest episode and I think,
let me look at my notes, but I think it's
The episode is called America Has a Problem, and the
hosts basically go into they talk about cancel culture without
calling it like cancel culture, but they focus this episode
(38:45):
in particular focuses on Kanye West aka Ya, and I mean,
if anyone is living under a rock, to like briefly summarize,
he's kind of gone off the deep end and he
had very terrible remarks that were racist, anti semetic, misogynistic
tones with his tweets, with things he's just put out there.
(39:06):
That's like a whole other deep guy that you can
listen to in this podcast, but it talks about like,
you know, how long are we going to give people
like him a pass? Like how long do we still
listen to the music or celebrate the music even though
we don't agree with the person or the artist. Basically,
it's kind of like everyone has to come to that
decision on their own. But it's a very great episode.
(39:29):
It goes into kind of like the history history of
Kanye West. I don't know why I cannot talk today
the history of Kanye West, and like his growth as
an artist, but now why they're choosing to step away
from his music and kind of celebrating him as as
this artist. So that was a really great listen and
(39:49):
it kind of reminded me. And I haven't seen this movie,
but the Elvis movie did come out recently and I
had I don't really know much about Elvis, but I
guess there's similar things within, like the way Elvis created
his music and he's stole from black artists back in
the day. There's this whole thing, So give that a listen.
It's called still Processing and the title of that podcast
(40:10):
episode is America has a Problem. So those are mine
and now, Sean, if you want to take it away
into your resource, I will keep mind short and sweet.
And maybe you guys have heard about this book, no surprise,
I'm quoting it. It's called the Bible and Genesis three
says we're all creating God's image. And then the person
that I would probably listen to the most would be Jesus.
(40:33):
And in Mark twelve he says love your God with
all your heart, and he follows out by saying love
your neighbor as yourself. These are the greatest commandments. If
everyone would listen to those words, take them to heart,
realize that we were all creating God's image and we
should all love each other, the world would be a
much better place. So if you have not checked that out,
(40:54):
please do. That's I'm quoting Mark twelve, thirty and thirty one.
By the way, if you want to look into it,
all right, thank you and forever. If anyone who soul
us Bible is listen same, please deliver that back. Yeah,
bring my Bible back seriously? All right, Sean, Well, we
can let you go, but before we do that, this
is the I would say, one of the most fun
parts of the podcast. Every guest gets to share their
(41:16):
rose and their thorn. So with everything that you have
going on in your life right now, what is your rose,
like your best, happiest, favorite momentum and then on the
flip side, like maybe your messiest, most awkward thorn. Oh man,
let's see. I think the best is pretty easy. And
I hope this doesn't sound too too cliche. I am
(41:37):
married to the most amazing wife in the world. Every
day when my kids come home from school, they bust
through the door. They yell, Daddy, that run to me.
They can't wait to hug me like it is the
most beautiful thing in the world. I'm so thankful and
grateful for every day I get with my family. So
that would have to be my rose, my thorn. That's
my thorn, baby, she's over here on the side listening.
(42:01):
Your Bible was stolen. I don't know my thorn. At
the current moment, we're working on training our great dog Gus.
We have a bull master who's still very much a
puppy papa. Well, I don't want to get two. My
grandfather passed away on Monday. I'm sorry. He was the
(42:25):
most amazing man I've ever met. He was ninety seven,
he was he was ready to go, but he had
an amazing life. Um. So there you go. Either my
pup puppy training or my grandfather who passed. Which one's
more of a thorn. Yeah? Well, prayers and thoughts out
to you and your family. Um, you gotta it sounds
like you have a another great angel above you. Oh yeah,
(42:49):
there's no question where he is. Well, Sean, thank you
for joining us. We loved having you. I can't believe
again that this is your first time on Happy Hour.
But um, please come back anytime. I'm also bring Catherine.
We love having her on. Give her a big hug
for me. Um right now, I know I can hear her.
I'm like, come over here, come say hi, but here
(43:11):
she is. What do you have to say? Love you guy?
Do you look stunt at its radio? But you look
so good. You're very sweet you guys. Looks good to
see you all right, Sean. Well, we know that you're
a busy man. You have three crazy kids that you
got to take care of. So we'll let you go.
But thank you again for joining us today. It was
(43:33):
my pleasure. Thank you, ladies. It's so good to see.
Thank you, and we'll see more of you next week. Yeah,
it was so nice talking to him. Um, it's so
interesting just to hear from a bachelor who you know,
got started not so long ago, but we have tens
of years ago. Wasn't it wasn't that long ago, but
(43:55):
it was it's ten years, like if I guess that's
a lot, but just like the perspective in different things
with it. One thing that I am going to acknowledge,
but I like, I've acknowledged this before, but when we
talk about like the different pressures coming into the season
and what you have in your head as you're kind
of like navigating during filming, Honestly, as a black female
(44:20):
coming into this, I always knew that I felt the pressure,
but like talking to different leads about their mindset and
where their focus was, I'm realizing just how much pressure
I really did feel, whether I knew where I was
coming for it or not at a point, but like though,
(44:40):
that robotic feeling or that constant feeling in the back
of my head where I'm like not to take like
the podcast to a dark turn or anything pun there,
but really though, but really though coming you know, being
in an area where you're like, well, how are people
going to respond with this? How is this going to
be taken? How is this going to be taken? It
(45:02):
wasn't a character issue necessarily. It was very much of
like what I was combating as a black female in
that bill. Yeah, and I'm sure. Did you ever talk
to Rachel beforehand too? I know, because Rachel was the
first black lead in the franchise. I did. I did
speak with her briefly, but again I spoke with her
(45:23):
and really wanted to respect her decision when she stepped
away from the franchise because that was that season where
everything had taken a turn, well not even to everything
had unfolded with you know, the Kirconnell controversy and and
(45:43):
all of that, and so the Antebellum Party, and that
was what I came off of, and that's definitely where
I felt the pressure. And it's like, gosh, it's just
so different. It's so different. Yeah, and you and I can't.
I mean, you went in with completely different expectations and
(46:05):
pressures and anxieties around certain things that I will I
could never fathom because I'm not a black woman. It's
and and just knowing how you operated, I mean, yes,
I know you mentioned like you were anxious throughout it,
and there was definitely I'm sure times where you questioned,
like if this was the best role for you, but
throughout like you've handled everything so well, like and you
(46:29):
did it the best you could, Like I think that's
what everyone. Yeah, I was just I think that was
just more guarded. It was, but it wasn't. It wasn't
guarded in like a lot of leads. I don't know
if people know this, but a lot of leads like
tend to get paranoid of Oh, yes, what are what
are your tensions? Producers, what are your intentions? You know everybody?
(46:50):
A lot of people get really paranoid, And for me,
I did have I actually was fairly relaxed as I
was going through it, but I was operating under really
intense pressure and really just having to think for myself
with everything, regardless of who is giving me advice, because
(47:11):
it was like nobody really understands what this is like,
or nobody that I'm talking to necessarily, because yeah, I
kind of really did it solo. Yeah, that's did you
have a moment like when you talk about the paranoia
and sorry, we're like quite totally on a tangent. Yeah,
(47:31):
I just was like this, I was just just hearing
you too today talk about like what was in your
mind and like relax and have fun, and it was yeah,
it was, Yes, I really did have fun and I
really like bonded with the people who around me. But
I was like, shit, we didn't have anybody come in
and talk to me, or we didn't have somebody, you know,
(47:52):
with Matt James, there was somebody by his side consulting
with him and everything, Like I really did that ship
by myself. I did have Caitlin and didn't like dang, yeah,
I guess I didn't even really remember that. You you know,
like they'll bring past leads in or past people in
to kind of kick off the season. I didn't even
(48:14):
realize that you didn't have that. It was just like
you said, you're writing, so following like the most heightened
time in the Frankie's history, and just with social media
and things. With Sean, he was like, well, social media
was around, but it wasn't like that. And you were
saying like, you know, social media is just getting started,
and I'm like, shit, we were in COVID, we were
(48:35):
in pandemic lockdown. Everybody did social media like that's all
you did. That's all everybody was on is getting their
hands into stuff and all that's everything. I'm like, Dan, yeah, oh,
give myself a little pat on the back right now.
You treat yourself you oh gosh. But now like, also,
(48:59):
now that you're out of it, like you've checked that box,
you did it? Now, like, do you feel like you
can be more free in a way where you can
be more yourself and breathe even though you are still
in the public spotlight. You are still you know, you
have a lot of people following you who are fans
of the show. Do you feel like you can breathe
(49:21):
a bit more not all that's behind you. Yeah. And
I want to start with I'm me bringing this up.
Isn't like me saying well I didn't have that, and
I you know, we joke about like me not being
able to travel and like whatever, But but it's really
I'm very happy that the leads around me were able
to receive that support. And I did have I will
(49:43):
say Kaitlyn Bristow. Kaitlyn Bristow helped me a ton, a
ton for sure. But yeah, I think now now I'm
very much like I got myself through it. I navigated that.
I navigated the race piece by myself. I navigate and
when I say about you know, I navigated it by myself.
(50:05):
And now I'm just like I know how to navigate
things in a way where I can very much relax
and also very much realize when somebody is putting me
in a situation where I will have repercussions and consequences,
whether and they don't intend to. But I've learned to
(50:25):
think for myself for sure. And yeah, and I've really
honestly learning this new world of social media. You can
mess a lot of things up. And I've been put
in situations that I really could have unintentionally hurt myself,
and because I am able to think for myself, I
(50:46):
was able to be like no, no and turn those
things down. But yeah, wild, wild times. But I'm really
happy that him and Zach really to kind of bring
that conversation back to Sean really happy that him and
Zach are able to kind of have that relationship. And
it seems like Zach has a lot of support from
(51:07):
counterparts and just different things as he's navigating this, and
that's that's great because the world is not easy. Yeah,
and it's going to change very quickly for him. If
it hasn't already, he will experience it very soon next
week with his very own season premiere. So yeah, I
think with that, I mean, we'll have a lot to
talk about next week. I don't know who the guest
(51:29):
is quite yet. Maybe it'll be Zack, maybe somebody from
his season. We'll find out. But yeah, Michelle, it's always
so great chatting with you. Thank you again for being
here with me today. Couldn't do this without girl. But yeah,
I'll see you. Absolutely love you. Sam goes to you,
Becca and Bachelor Happy Our listeners. If you know the
(51:51):
person who took that bible that has that letter from Catherine,
if there's anything you get from that podcast, this podcast,
bring it back, please return it. Yeah, just drop it
off in the mailbox on the front step, the truck
that you broke into, whatever it might be, that's nobody's
got to know. Nobody's got to know. Just get the
letter back. Do the right thing here, amen. Okay, well
(52:16):
with that, let's end on that note and do the
right thing. Thank you to Sean for joining us today,
and of course to all of you bauch Our Happy
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What's up Happy our listeners. I'm back at Kofren and
I am Shelle Young and we're excited to be back
with you once again. This week. For the first time ever,
we have a new guests who'll be joining Happy Hour,
and that is mister Sean Lowe, one of our favorites.
So we can't wait to have him on very shortly. Yeah,
so we are so excited. And even though he is
(00:23):
this new guest, he's definitely not new to Bachelor Nation.
He's been around for quite some time. And he actually
is going to make some type of appearance in in
Zach season coming forward. And I have so many questions
for this man, just because I feel like there's so
(00:46):
many different things that are going on. There's so many
different factors when you're like stepping into the lead role,
and so I'm really curious to kind of hear the
advice that he gives to Zach and Becca. You and
I were kind of just talking about this of how
how does somebody come in being in Bachelor World. He's
(01:10):
gone through, he's been a lead, he had a very
successful relationship, but to come in and give advice in
now a new world with social media and the leads
having to navigate that social media platform and that's something
that's in the back of your head as you're filming,
and so I'm curious to see like the perspective he's
(01:31):
gonna bring. Yeah, oh, definitely, and he for all of
our listeners out there, Sean was Bachelor in twenty thirteen.
I was fresh out of college. I remember I just
moved back home watching this season with my mom. My
mom like loved him, and so he it was I
would say, a different era of the Bachelor franchise as
(01:53):
a whole, you know, like you said social media. I
mean Facebook was around, Instagram was kind of just starting,
but it was a completely different ballgame at that time,
and I think every lead goes into their season different. Obviously,
Zach's going into his season, which is coming out next week,
by the way, which is crazy to think, in a
completely different mindset that I'm sure either one of us
(02:17):
felt when we were stepping into that role. So yeah,
I'm very curious to see. I'm glad that Sean was
there to be a sounding board to offer advice. I'm
sure he went in with the intention of like wanting
Zach to find love and to find a relationship that
he can build on outside of the show. I would
be interested to see if he had social media and
(02:38):
that aspect in the back of his mind when he
went into his season. I can imagine he probably didn't,
so it's totally different. But he has lived in this
world now for almost well god, now it is a decade, damn.
So yeah, we definitely have a lot to pick his
brain on. I'm excited to see Sean. It's been a
(02:59):
few seasons, I think, since we've seen him make an
appearance on somebody's season. I guess. So with that, I mean,
we can just keep talking and speculating and spewing, but
I think we should just bring them on and get
into this, right, Michelle, I'm I'm excited. I'm excited. Let's
bring him on. Bring on the man. Well, welcome to
(03:25):
Happy Hour, Sean. Michelle and I were just saying, I mean,
you've been in this franchise for a hot second, but
this is your first official appearance on Happy Hour. Yeah,
so why are you bringing the old man out of retirement?
What's going on here? We didn't bring you up. The
franchise brought you back out. We heard you make a
little guests appearance this season. Yeah, I spent some time
(03:47):
with Zach. I love that guy. Yeah. We we're gonna
get into all of that. I do have to say though,
just speaking of like time frames and everything your season
aired in and correct me if I'm around twenty thirteen,
right ten years ago? How do you not age? You
literally look the same? Thank you? What is the skincare routine?
How can I get it? I'm the words of affirmation person,
(04:09):
So keep keep this coming. I'm over here laughing, Sean,
because this girl is brown knowsing you. She literally before
you got on, Becca Goes. I just graduated college when
your season came on. I was still in college, Sean. Oh,
college sounds good. I mean I hear from people all
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the time. We were like, oh, my mom loves you.
I was old and she would let me, you know,
watch your Bachelor with her. So I did what she said, Sean,
my mom does love you. I think I might have
told you this when I first met you and Catherine
a couple of years ago, but she fell in love
with you. And this is a throwback too. I think
(04:51):
it was Emily's season when you brought her to your
hometown and you did the whole setup where you were like,
I still live with my parents, I don't do my laundry,
my rooms and mess I'm waiting for my mom to
clean it. And then at the end of the day
you're like, ha, jokes on you, I'm actually like a
functioning adult. And my mom that's when she fell in love.
She's like, this guy is great. He needs to be
(05:12):
the bachelor. So she that was that was the moment
that you hooked Mom and Joe. Well, I'm glad, I'm
glad to hear that. Over the years, that's probably the
number one moment that people point out like, yeah, it
was hilarious, it was so good. It was so good.
How many, I would say, one of the iconic moments
of the franchise. How many people actually thought you still
don't do like that, You actually didn't do your laundry.
(05:33):
Did you get so many messages about that? Well, I mean,
if you watch the episode, it's pretty clear like it's
a joke. It's a joke. Stuck the animals all over
the room to make it look like I was extra childish. Yeah,
it was to the extreme. I think most people understood
it was so good. Um, well, let's just catch up,
How has life been? How is everything with Catherine and
(05:54):
the cute kiddos? Katherine and I are taking a break. Um,
I thought I would out here on your podcast first.
Oh my god, the headlines are going to go wild
after this, just so much. This man knows what he's doing.
Life kids not being better. We I mean, we just
we have a beautiful life. Were so incredibly grateful and thankful.
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We've got three kids who drive me absolutely up the walls,
but we love them anyway, and they're healthy and happy.
And Katherine and I it's funny, like not to sound
too cliche, but ten years ago, when we're shooting The Bachelor,
we were having these conversations like what does the future
look like when we start talking about how we want
to have a family and how we just want to
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be with our best friend and at the end of
a long day be on the couch and our sweatpants
and watch a movie. Well, ten years later, we're living
our dreams. So I'm super brit love that. Such a
cute family. How old are the kids? A? Six, four,
and three? So we time and we are currently in
the thick of it. Oh yeah, you have your hands full, Okay,
(07:02):
So I'm curious then those those are like pivotal ages
for each of them. That's that's wild. But what is
your what is your number one pet peeve that your
kids do. You don't have to go down the line
of which kid, just in general, I got a laundry
list of I'm glad you asked. Let's say, off the
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top of my head. It drives me nuts when they'll
yell like daddy, daddy, daddy, and I'm not even in
the same room. I'm like upstairs somewhere and they just daddy,
like they expect me to come find them. I'm like, no,
come find me, daddy. That's probably the first one that
comes to mind. But you know, they do a lot
of things that irritate Catherine and I, Um, but they
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also have some good qualities too. Yeah. Well, I hate
to break it to you, but they never work her
own that face. I still do that to my mom
when I'm home Mom, and I do the thing too.
I don't know if your kids do this where I
try to incentivise her, like, mom Um, if you come
to me and bring me a bowl of popcorn, I'll
give you a kiss and a hug. Or do you
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do it you have to start bargaining with them, like,
I'll come to you if you give me a hug.
I did this morning. I had milk that my daughter
wanted and I'm like, just give me a kiss. I'll
give you the milk. And she refused to give me
a kids, I'm not giving you the milk. And then
after like in the go kidding, she finally gave me
the kiss and then she milk. You want to, oh, precious.
(08:29):
So how were your holidays? Did you do anything fun
with them? Do you have any special traditions that you
do as your family? Uh? Yeah, the holidays were great. Christmas,
my whole extended family, they're all here in the Dallas area.
They all came to our house and we had a
full house. Couldn't have been better just hanging out. We
did karaoke. Um. So Katherine loves to incorporate some of
her Filipino traditions. Filipinos love karaoke, and so she got
(08:53):
a karaoke machine into our house and the whole family
did that. That was a blast. In terms of traditions,
my dad started one years ago that Katherine absolutely loves.
He calls it Jammie Coco Christmas and that is when
you put your pajamas on and then you drive the
neighborhood looking at Christmas lights, listening to Christmas music. Um.
And so we did that as a family and that
(09:14):
was a great time too. Oh I love that. I'm
still that Christmas straight out of a Christmas movie, my dad.
It's a trade market. That's perfect. Oh my gosh, she's
gonna be like the tour guide one. You're like picking
up people and be like, come on, Jamie Coco Christmas hopping.
If you knew my dad, you would know he would
love that. That's absolutely amazing. So you have you do
you have the holidays and roll engineers, and you know,
(09:37):
you think about all the everything that's going on. You
said that you and Katherine used to like talk about
the moments like this that you're literally living out day
by day. Ye. Do you have any more plans in
the future, like potentially more kids? Can we see a baby?
Low number four? Um, you already got your hands. I
(10:01):
had a dollar for every time I've been asked that.
I think originally our plan was to have more than three,
and then we had three three and we realized, like,
holy crap, this is a lot of work. So we
might we might be done. Um, we talk about it occasionally.
We were really happy with the way our family looks
(10:22):
and feels right now, like our two boys and our
girl being the youngest. Everyone is just we're in a
really good groove. So I don't think that we want
to go back to diapers. We just got me out
of diapers, were happy with three, So I think we
might be settled here. Yeah, well, whatever you decide. I mean,
you have just the cutest family right now. And speaking
(10:44):
of family, so you and Catherine had been married almost
nine years, right, it was about a year after the
show were you Well, you actually had the wedding on
TV for about that part um. What and I'm sure
you get ask this all the time, but what is
like one of your secrets or one or two bits
of advice that you would say makes a healthy marriage? Oh? Man?
(11:07):
So number one? And this is really the easiest. It's
the hardest and it's the easiest, but it's commit. You
have to commit no matter what, no matter what your
feelings tell you, your feelings are gonna lie to you.
In case you didn't know that, there's a news flash,
like there are gonna be days where Catherine does not
feel like loving me and vice versa. But we have
together committed to make it work no matter what. And
(11:29):
I think when you commit, what you find over time
is that your relationship gets stronger and stronger and stronger,
and the foundation is getting firmer and firmer and firmer.
And then when you couple that with both of us,
like the foundation of our lives is our faith, so
with our faith and then commitment. It's really that simple,
And like I said, it can also be the hardest
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thing because there are days where it's really difficult and
we still arguing, we still fight, and we still have
all the same issues that any couple has, but we
just know, like in the worst of it, we're still
going to be together at the end of the day.
I still love her madly. I'm not going anywhere no
matter what. She knows that I know that. Um So
I tell people all the time, like a healthy, good
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marriage starts with commitment. That's so true, though, and that's
I love the fact that you added in It's it's
simple because it's one word, but it's also so difficult
on those days with emotions and thinking with your head
when when your heart is pissed off, that's all right,
and to expand on it, like the world that we
(12:33):
currently live in, like just having a little bit of notoriety,
having million followers or whatever the case may be. I
think it's really easy to fool yourself that the grass
is greener or I've got all these other options. You know, Oh,
plenty of guys would love to be with me, or
girls would love to be with me, whatever, Like it's
just the grass is not greener. Find so much fulfillment,
(12:54):
uh in committing to the person that you vowed to
love for the rest of your life. And so that's
that's my message. It is so interesting as kind of
like you're talking around your piece of advice and as
a lead, you were a lead ten years ago, and
(13:16):
like you said, the world is so different now, and
being a lead in Bastel Nation with the Jurassic polls
of social media, that's also different. How do you feel
like you're able to kind of come into Zach's season
and really like deliver advice to him with that difference,
(13:39):
But also you have you know, you have a successful relationship,
but it was also in a different time period, you know.
I don't mean to say time period era, but you
get yeah, but you get him kind of like asking
he was great, y'all, it was great, but but yeah,
there's just such different pressures. Well, I know what you mean,
(14:03):
and like they they invited me on, but I went
into it not knowing who Zach is as a man, UM,
and I think I'm a pretty good read of character.
And um, I think we have had a lot of
leads in the past where you can just tell within
the first few minutes of meeting them, like, this guy
is really not serious. He might make it for entertaining TV,
(14:25):
who knows, but the chances of him actually getting engaged
and ultimately getting married or slim to none. Right, within
the first few minutes of meeting Zach, I could just
tell he's a different guy, like he is, um, he's
a good guy. But I could also tell that he
was completely sincere and he was vulnerable enough to just
asked me, h, like real questions like how did you
(14:49):
handle this? What did you do in this situation? And
I knew it wasn't for the cameras. And in fact,
he's called me post show just to um to check
in with me, and you know it's U, So I
say all that to say is like I knew when
I was giving Zach advice he would take it to heart.
And I have the utmost confidence that he's going to
(15:10):
be a great bachelor. Now, who knows what that means
in terms of ratings, but I knew that he would
take my advice, and so I think it's it's general advice,
it's I don't know the social media aspect. Probably you know,
he might have to deal with some stuff that I didn't.
I don't know. It was ten years ago there was
social media. By the libshell, Yeah, I know there's social media.
(15:31):
It was just no, I get what you're saying. It
was just more of like the fact as Okay, So
when you're a lead, you come off from just being
a contestant. So you just went through like the massive
learning curve and being in the public eye, being vulnerable,
and then so many people have words for you of
like how you handled yourself, and so then you roll
over into being a lead and you can be you know,
(15:52):
genuine authentic. But it's so hard sometimes to not feel
robotic at times because you're just in the back of
your head there's always like you know that so many
people are gonna have an issue with something like how
will this be perceived? How will this be perceived me
in a certain situation. Yeah, it can completely engulf you.
And Clayton was very open about that. You know, just
(16:17):
you tense up and you're talking about on the social
media side, like the comments that you're going to read
and things like that just in the back of your
head of you went through you kind of went through
a beating, whether you were loved or not loved you.
You went through all these different comments of whether it's
in a comment section, of whether it's on Reddit, whether
someone always is has an issue with what you're doing.
(16:38):
And that's really hard to then go into a lead
and sometimes having the back of your head and not
have that in the front of your head because do
you know what I'm saying, that can definitely be challenging.
And back back in my day, back in the olden
days like Twitter with the Biggest Boy, and I remember
having some of those thoughts. I think for me, the
(16:59):
biggest thing personally was like, I don't want to do
or say anything that's gonna embarrass my family or yeah,
put me in a bad position when this is all over,
because I had no way to know like life would
look like it does all these years later. I thought
I'd go back and work a normal job and do
those things. So I didn't want to do anything that
would put any of that in peril, and probably, like
(17:21):
the comments on Twitter, was secondary, but I still had
those thoughts too. But I think you know, and you
guys know, after a week or two of filming, it's
almost like you forget about the cameras. Some of that
stuff drowns out, and then I was able just to
kind of open up. I was probably a little bit
more free in my expressions and my thoughts and things
like that, and I really didn't think about it as much.
(17:43):
But with that being said, everybody's different. That's just kind
of how I handled it. Yeah, Well, and Shawn to
play like I can. I feel like I'm kind of
on the fence of like I'm sure what you experience
and Michelle, what you experienced. Like when I was lead,
which was twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, it was the time
(18:07):
where like social media, guess was around, but like this
whole world of influencing hadn't really fully blown up yet.
It came after that, and so like, yeah, people would
do like small ads here and there, but it wasn't
like the world that it is now. So like from
my personal experience, when I went in on our season
of The Bachelor, you know, like I had no idea
(18:28):
what I was getting into. I had no idea what
social media would even be because I had four hundred
and thirty eight followers, Like it was like my friends
from high school, from college, and like that was it.
I didn't like, I wasn't exposed to like the world
it is today. And so right after that, when I
went into The Bachelor, I wasn't really thinking about social
media in the back of my head. I like my
full focus was like I want to find a partner
(18:49):
that's good for me, that will fit into my life
with my family and vice versa. It wasn't until coming
out where things really blew up where that's when I realized, like,
oh wow, this is totally different ballgame, and this is
something that I didn't even think to think about when
I was in that position. And so I mean, and
you you both experienced being leads, and you know how
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you kind of have to compartmentalize your relationships with every contestant.
I feel like that's what you have to do with
this process in general, like you have your like your
chapters of this, like you go through being the lead
and that you film for a couple months and you're
in the mindset of like finding love and really being
so expressive with your feelings and your emotions, and then
(19:31):
you come out of it, and then you go through
this whirlwind of press and then your show air. So
it's like all these different pieces of it that Zach
hasn't fully experienced a lot of it yet. So Sean,
I'm sure like when you went in it was probably
like you keep saying, the show's going back to the basics,
like you and I would love to like pick your
brain on this, But when you went in to meet
with Zach, was it focus more on that love like
(19:54):
finding the right partner for you for your life and
vice versa. So when I'm it was Zach, it was
more of just like, hey, this is about to be crazy,
like you, but you really don't know, you don't know
what you're walking into and it will be so surreal
and it's gonna be nuts, and then the hardest part
will probably be after the camera stop rolling, and like
(20:15):
you said, the press is about to start, and he's
just it's a whirlwind, right, And so I wanted to
really just prepare him mentally for all of that. And
I also wanted to be realistic with him, like, hey,
I know you're filming a TV show and the goal
is to hopefully find love. But I also wanted to
tell him like, hey, it's okay if that didn't happen,
Like there's a chance you could meet twenty five wonderful women,
(20:36):
but one of them might not be a match for you,
and that's okay to walk away from all this and say, hey,
I gave it a try. I had a great experience
once in a lifetime, but you know, it didn't work
out for me. But I just wanted Zack to know, like,
don't don't make this harder than it really needs to be,
because it is if you can just relax and have
fun with it. It's an amazing opportunity to track the
(20:57):
world and do things that you would never do otherwise. Like,
it's so much fun, so just enjoy every moment of
it and relax, you know, don't worry about all the
other crap. Truly, truly, Yeah, best advice right there kind
of said it better than myself. So I was I
love that you said, don't worry about all the other crap.
I'm actually reading a book where like, at one part,
(21:19):
this woman is so caught up in like finding the
right job and like figuring herself out in life, and
she's like putting so much pressure on what other people
are thinking of her. And basically the conclusion is like,
no one effing cares. Like people want you to succeed
and be happy in whatever way, shape or form that is.
And I was like, this is a great bit of
advice that I think everyone could use at any point
in their life. So when you went into me with him,
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what did he what did Zach seem most nervous about? Like,
is there any really great questions he asked you that
you could kind of guide him on. You know, he
was if I had to sum it up, he was
probably more nervous and anxious um, which most normal people
(22:03):
would be, not knowing what's in store for you over
the course of tea. UM. And I you know, I'm
not really there to give advice. I've I've done that
for so many How many times have they brought the
old guy out of retirement to give advice to these
new bachelors. Um, I just you're not even old at all. No,
You're really not makes this all feeling feel old? No,
(22:31):
you know. More than anything, I wasn't there to give advice.
I just wanted him to know, like, Hey, you've got
a buddy here. If you need me, reach out. And
it was kind of cool that we did FaceTime a
couple times throughout the season, um, just because I wanted
to make sure he was he was doing well mentally.
It can definitely take a toll on you, especially when
you're the lead. You really don't have friends. You know,
when you're one of twenty five guys on The Bachelorette
(22:53):
you can kind of make friends and you can talk
to them when you're not filming and hang out. You
really don't have that luxury as a lead outside of
some the producers around you. So I just wanted him
to know, like, Hey, very few people have gone through this,
but I have, So if you need me, I'm here
for you. I really love the way that you've kind
of have broken down, how you and Zach have built
a relationship throughout him being announced to now getting ready
(23:19):
for him to air on the show, and with all
of that you haven't. You've been in bacheldation and for like,
those who you know follow you on social media might
keep up with everything, but you aren't always around. And
now recently you've come back. Would you say that you
came back because like, does a part of Zach remind
(23:41):
you of yourself? Well, the truth is that I'm desperately
clinging to my fifteen minutes of fame and I saw
so that's where I came from. It's honestly as simple
as I got to know Zach. I really really like Zach,
like we will be friends. Um and listen, this first episode,
(24:02):
they're gonna show the absolutely ridiculous stuff with me and Zach.
I said, I will do this, but I don't want
to do the same old, same old sit down give advice.
The guy's not really listening. I said, if I'm gonna
do it, let's let's try to make it funny. Yeah,
so put ourselves in some really funny situations. I don't
know how it's going to perceive. I'm so intrigued. I
(24:24):
know it seems like like a young girl, like a
young grasshopper situation, karate kid training him in wax on
wax off washing the car with Zak. Yeah, and the
sad thing is, I'm mister, that's that's but like that's
what's great. I can already picture like you being in
(24:44):
these situations where you're training him how to like navigate
like Bachelor boot Camp. Almost. Well, it's probably good for
him to like loosen up and feel more comfortable in
this role. And you know, yes, he's used to the
cameras around he filmed on Gabby and Rachel's season, but
this is the first time we're it's like the focus
is solely on him. So I'm sure this helped in
a way. I mean, damn, I wish I had something.
(25:05):
I mean I did have the girls like the previous
batch or it's come to see me. But it's always
nice to help loosen you up a little bit. And
so yeah, we went in. We did some really goofy stuff.
I think he'll show his personality. I think people are
going to him really quickly. We did see some shower
scenes of you two in the promos, so yeah, I
told you way to hook the viewers. I okay, So
(25:28):
I want to ask you then about your time as
the Bachelor too, And again, everyone experiences everything so differently.
What were some of your biggest fears and on the
flip side, like what were you most excited about for
that first night? Oh man, fears fears. I really don't
think I had any fears, Like I was so excited
(25:51):
just for the experience, right, And I think part of
that excitement is not knowing what's around the corner. So
every limo that pulls up, I had no idea who
was walking out, if they would be a potential match
or not. I didn't know that this cute, bubbly little
Filipino girl was going to come out and take my heart.
But yeah, I really didn't have any fear like I
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And I think part of that is because I'd gone
through three months of being on the Bachelorette and I
got to feel for how things work, and uh, you know,
I really enjoyed my time on it. I had a
lot of fun, made friends with the producers, and so
going into the Bachelor, I was more just kind of
stoked about it, for lack of a better word, than
anything else. And so I was really really excited. And
(26:33):
then as far as things I was looking forward to,
just you know, traveling and having these experiences that the
normal person doesn't get to have, right, Yeah, Like every
little date you go on is not something that you know,
Joe Schmo gets to do. And so the idea of
trapping and doing these amazing things all around the globe
was so exciting to me. I love that. I'm curious,
(26:56):
do you have a favorite or do you have a
specific entrance from when you were a lead that you
recalled aside from Catherine, But whether it's it funny or
something weird? Which one comes out from your night one
when you were There's there's two that come to mind immediately.
One was a girl named Robin, who Catherine is still
(27:17):
very good friends with. She tried to do like a
backhand spring in her dress and she fell on her
head um, and I felt for her that rushed over
to try to pick her up. So like that was
not the entrance she wanted to make. Please come to
her longer than night one. Yes, yes, she and I
actually now I'm friends with her husband, so at all. Okay,
(27:38):
that's amazing. She's gonna be so pissed at you for
bringing that out. She's like, we let that die, we
buried it, and now I mean talking about it again.
Tell me she's done. Another backhand spring, like with you
and Catherine at some point, No, but we need to
ask her to Oh man, that disamount. I want to
see it though. Yeah. And then the second one that
(27:59):
comes to mind, like Fifty Shades of Gray was the
biggest book at the time, and so one of the
girls came up. She was like holding a tie and
she made a fifty Shades of Gray reference and like,
if you know me, that's just that's not really gonna
hook me, right, And so like that was the first
moment of me thinking, Okay, this is gonna be a
mixed bag, Like it's not just these girls that are
(28:19):
well suited for me. Yeah, you're like, what did I
sign up for it? Exactly? Did you? I know that
Catherine had She wrote you notes throughout the season, like
whether it's posted or postcards, do you still have all
of those? I still have a lot of them. Yeah, yeah,
they're very special. I'm sure. Yeah. I was like, if
you got rid of those, man, get out of here.
(28:41):
She wrote me, And this is really tragic. She wrote
me this long note right before um I proposed to her,
and so Chris Harrison walks out, he gives me this
note and at the time I thought, oh my goodness,
this is like a Dear John letter where she's leaving
me here and she's not gonna up, you know, as
I'm about to propose. And it was just a note
about how she wanted to live the rest of her
(29:02):
life with me and how she wanted to create a
family with me, and it was very very special. And
so I've always kept that in my Bible. Right, and
just recently, someone broke into my truck my Bible and
you're kidding, that's gonna be karma coming back to them,
though you're kidding. Wait, this needs to get to that person,
(29:23):
make it right, deliver the Bible back. I'm trying. I'm
trying to get it back. Also just the fact that like,
first of all, your truck got broken into, and that's
what they took. I know it was then I had
a bag in my truck and then just snashed the bag.
And sometimes people are the worst. Oh my gosh, Well,
I hope they feel terrible once they read this letter
(29:43):
and the Bible. Hopefully they read it all. Hopefully they
read the Bible is put it on your doorstep, just
leave the letter, like you don't even have to come forward.
But but redeliver the letter. Yeah, what are the odds
the thief listens to a bachel podcast. Yeah, there's definitely
a slim pickings. But if anyone goes anywhere though, you know,
(30:08):
that's a bummer. Well, at least you still have some
of the other ones. And I'm pretty sure the show
didn't she like it had her words like when you
were reading that, right, So it's like you still have
some part of it hopefully. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Trying to find the silver lining here for you. Seriously,
So we've talked a little bit about your conversations with Zach,
(30:30):
but there's a lot of contestants that are stepping out
of the limo for the first time. Um, what is
any advice that any advice if they're listening, that you
could give to contestants on this season of what they
have to look forward to? Um, and anyone who potentially
wants to be a contestant in the future on seasons
that aren't even around yet. Um. Okay, Well, first thing
(30:52):
that comes to mind, don't take yourself too seriously because
at its core, it is a very silly show, right, Like,
it's absolutely ridiculous. I think the people that go into it,
and there were one or two women on my season
that kind of had this thought like Sean is going
to be my husband, like night one, like they just
I'm here to fall in love, Sean's gonna be my husband.
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Those people are a little crazy, right, Like just be
a normal person is going to go into it and
think like this is just gonna be a great experience
no matter what happens, good or bad, It's gonna be
a great experience for me. And I'm not going to
take myself too seriously because at its core, it's a
silly show and if I find love even better. So
(31:35):
that's that's my biggest piece of advice, like don't take
yourself seriously. I mean we need to just like make
an advice thing for everyone coming on the show and
be like just read this. Here's a list from all
the past leads of things that you shouldn't should not do. Okay, wait,
I have a super curious question that just popped into
(31:56):
my head. Ye are the female least for the bachelorettes,
there was like this, um, what what do you call it?
Like this by what was it a bachelorte? We're talking
about this again? Okay, but I'm curious though, is all
the bachelorettes like we're in a group chat, but there
(32:17):
there is this bachelortte bible of advice? Was there? Like?
Has there been anything like that with the bachelor's like
with the men, Like, do you guys put each other
in group chats where you like include everybody? Is there
like a passing of the torch? Is there like any
like top secret stuff you're not supposed to share that
you can share with us? Honestly not, to my knowledge,
(32:38):
there was never a bachelor Bible. There's never been a
group text, or if there has, I was left out
of it. Um dang. I was kind of flying blind. Um.
I had never even met Ben Flannic, who was the
bachelor before me, and I didn't really know what I
was getting myself into. I wish that I had some
guidance that might have helped a little bit interesting, But yeah,
(32:59):
I don't. I don't think the bachelors have done it.
Sounds like a near as good a job as the
bachelottes have done in that regard, you know, the difference
between men and women. I also think as I didn't
read it well, I tried sending it to someone, I
just didn't make it. You know, we try, We totally,
(33:20):
but um, I don't. I was gonna say somebody. I
don't remember what else where I was going with that. Um,
but all right, Okay, Sean, it has been so much
fun having you here. We're actually very excited to see
your appearance and whatever silliness you have to bring for
this season of the Bachelorum. Hopefully, like we said, it
helps Zack loosen up a little bit, just get his bearings. Um.
(33:42):
But yeah, we can't wait to see what goes down.
Do you know what happens in the end? Do you
know any teasers or spoilers? I do. I'm not going
to spoil it, but I know what happens. Okay. I
have no idea we're going to blind this season, so okay, well,
I'll be the the ABC promoter guy. It's going to
be great. Tune in watch it. M Yeah again, everyone
(34:03):
in premierees next week, which is crazy to say already,
So yeah, we'll see what that first episode has to hold. Now, Sean,
we're going to get into the last little bits of
this podcast, and every week we sort of this new
thing where we like to share resources and just keep
our listeners informed about social issues and so Michelle, would
you like to kick it off this week? Yeah? Absolutely.
(34:28):
I write an article like two weeks ago that came
across my page and it was interesting because it's titled
Deconstructing Karen and it's really interesting. I actually just pulled
it up here because I wanted to point at to
(34:48):
something that was like included in it. So like it's
um like an Apple iTunes documentary, So I have a
an account, but if you don't, you do have to
pay like many an instance or something that. So it's
not like a free resource, but it's definitely worth it.
And it talks about just kind of really for white
(35:10):
women to start deconstructing racism and starting the journey to
become anti racist and getting real about it and how
to become an ally in those different things. And it
is like touchy is not the correct word. It definitely
is for somebody who is more open to bettering themselves,
(35:35):
for sure, and it really does challenge that. It reminded
me a lot of what is that book called I'm
Blinking that I gave a wreck for white white fragility,
very similar but from a woman's perspective. And so yeah,
I think it's an interesting read. It's an edgier read
(35:56):
or listening you can listen to, and I'll link both
of them. I'll link the article and then i'll also
link um the docuseries that's on Apple iTunes that you
can that you can get um. But yeah, I really
like it and it really touches on the whole you
know that person that you picture with Karen and really
holding yourself accountable, and we know what Karen means. Um.
(36:21):
I know after people hear this, people named Karen will
probably comfort you, like, so it's nothing to get. Yeah,
it's en, it's the yeah, and it's not against this
is only for Karen's no, you know, just kind of
what that words it's all about, like syntax and words
have meaning and all that stuff, right, and being a Karen.
(36:42):
There are very nice people who are named Karen, but
being a Karen means just somebody who's not lifting others up,
and it really combats that. So um, deconstructing Karen. All right,
we'll thank you, Michelle, yea, Sean, I'll just share mine
and then we'll let you wrap with yours. But I
so I have two, Like one is just kind of
(37:03):
one that fell into my lap. That's like probably not
the best resource to share. But there is a show. God,
I don't even want to say what this is. There's
a show on Netflix that I think is new. It's
called Partner Track, and it's not great, but now I'm
in it, so it's like I might as well just
finish it. But I think it's like within episode five
(37:24):
or six, there's a part and it's basically about this
law firm in New York City and there's two of
the actors in it. One is black, one is white.
They have this confrontation in a room where the white
man says something like, well, you like are on track
to become partner because you're black and the black characters
(37:44):
also gay, and so he's like these two things under
your belt. They're not going to fire you. You basically
have a job security. So it goes into this whole
discussion of the black man and I don't remember their names. Again, Like,
the show's not great, but it is a very good
scene to learn from. That's why I'm referencing it. Is
the black man is like, you like that is that
(38:05):
to its core? Like it has racist undertones, And he
goes on to explain like why that thought mentality, especially
like in this very white dominated workforce, is is hindering
other employees. And so I would I would just say
maybe check out like episode five of this show, and
then the actual resource that I want to share is
(38:25):
it's Michell. We've talked about this podcast before, the Still
Processing podcast. I think it's the newest episode and I think,
let me look at my notes, but I think it's
The episode is called America Has a Problem, and the
hosts basically go into they talk about cancel culture without
calling it like cancel culture, but they focus this episode
(38:45):
in particular focuses on Kanye West aka Ya, and I mean,
if anyone is living under a rock, to like briefly summarize,
he's kind of gone off the deep end and he
had very terrible remarks that were racist, anti semetic, misogynistic
tones with his tweets, with things he's just put out there.
(39:06):
That's like a whole other deep guy that you can
listen to in this podcast, but it talks about like,
you know, how long are we going to give people
like him a pass? Like how long do we still
listen to the music or celebrate the music even though
we don't agree with the person or the artist. Basically,
it's kind of like everyone has to come to that
decision on their own. But it's a very great episode.
(39:29):
It goes into kind of like the history history of
Kanye West. I don't know why I cannot talk today
the history of Kanye West, and like his growth as
an artist, but now why they're choosing to step away
from his music and kind of celebrating him as as
this artist. So that was a really great listen and
(39:49):
it kind of reminded me. And I haven't seen this movie,
but the Elvis movie did come out recently and I
had I don't really know much about Elvis, but I
guess there's similar things within, like the way Elvis created
his music and he's stole from black artists back in
the day. There's this whole thing, So give that a listen.
It's called still Processing and the title of that podcast
(40:10):
episode is America has a Problem. So those are mine
and now, Sean, if you want to take it away
into your resource, I will keep mind short and sweet.
And maybe you guys have heard about this book, no surprise,
I'm quoting it. It's called the Bible and Genesis three
says we're all creating God's image. And then the person
that I would probably listen to the most would be Jesus.
(40:33):
And in Mark twelve he says love your God with
all your heart, and he follows out by saying love
your neighbor as yourself. These are the greatest commandments. If
everyone would listen to those words, take them to heart,
realize that we were all creating God's image and we
should all love each other, the world would be a
much better place. So if you have not checked that out,
(40:54):
please do. That's I'm quoting Mark twelve, thirty and thirty one.
By the way, if you want to look into it,
all right, thank you and forever. If anyone who soul
us Bible is listen same, please deliver that back. Yeah,
bring my Bible back seriously? All right, Sean, Well, we
can let you go, but before we do that, this
is the I would say, one of the most fun
parts of the podcast. Every guest gets to share their
(41:16):
rose and their thorn. So with everything that you have
going on in your life right now, what is your rose,
like your best, happiest, favorite momentum and then on the
flip side, like maybe your messiest, most awkward thorn. Oh man,
let's see. I think the best is pretty easy. And
I hope this doesn't sound too too cliche. I am
(41:37):
married to the most amazing wife in the world. Every
day when my kids come home from school, they bust
through the door. They yell, Daddy, that run to me.
They can't wait to hug me like it is the
most beautiful thing in the world. I'm so thankful and
grateful for every day I get with my family. So
that would have to be my rose, my thorn. That's
my thorn, baby, she's over here on the side listening.
(42:01):
Your Bible was stolen. I don't know my thorn. At
the current moment, we're working on training our great dog Gus.
We have a bull master who's still very much a
puppy papa. Well, I don't want to get two. My
grandfather passed away on Monday. I'm sorry. He was the
(42:25):
most amazing man I've ever met. He was ninety seven,
he was he was ready to go, but he had
an amazing life. Um. So there you go. Either my
pup puppy training or my grandfather who passed. Which one's
more of a thorn. Yeah? Well, prayers and thoughts out
to you and your family. Um, you gotta it sounds
like you have a another great angel above you. Oh yeah,
(42:49):
there's no question where he is. Well, Sean, thank you
for joining us. We loved having you. I can't believe
again that this is your first time on Happy Hour.
But um, please come back anytime. I'm also bring Catherine.
We love having her on. Give her a big hug
for me. Um right now, I know I can hear her.
I'm like, come over here, come say hi, but here
(43:11):
she is. What do you have to say? Love you guy?
Do you look stunt at its radio? But you look
so good. You're very sweet you guys. Looks good to
see you all right, Sean. Well, we know that you're
a busy man. You have three crazy kids that you
got to take care of. So we'll let you go.
But thank you again for joining us today. It was
(43:33):
my pleasure. Thank you, ladies. It's so good to see.
Thank you, and we'll see more of you next week. Yeah,
it was so nice talking to him. Um, it's so
interesting just to hear from a bachelor who you know,
got started not so long ago, but we have tens
of years ago. Wasn't it wasn't that long ago, but
(43:55):
it was it's ten years, like if I guess that's
a lot, but just like the perspective in different things
with it. One thing that I am going to acknowledge,
but I like, I've acknowledged this before, but when we
talk about like the different pressures coming into the season
and what you have in your head as you're kind
of like navigating during filming, Honestly, as a black female
(44:20):
coming into this, I always knew that I felt the pressure,
but like talking to different leads about their mindset and
where their focus was, I'm realizing just how much pressure
I really did feel, whether I knew where I was
coming for it or not at a point, but like though,
(44:40):
that robotic feeling or that constant feeling in the back
of my head where I'm like not to take like
the podcast to a dark turn or anything pun there,
but really though, but really though coming you know, being
in an area where you're like, well, how are people
going to respond with this? How is this going to
be taken? How is this going to be taken? It
(45:02):
wasn't a character issue necessarily. It was very much of
like what I was combating as a black female in
that bill. Yeah, and I'm sure. Did you ever talk
to Rachel beforehand too? I know, because Rachel was the
first black lead in the franchise. I did. I did
speak with her briefly, but again I spoke with her
(45:23):
and really wanted to respect her decision when she stepped
away from the franchise because that was that season where
everything had taken a turn, well not even to everything
had unfolded with you know, the Kirconnell controversy and and
(45:43):
all of that, and so the Antebellum Party, and that
was what I came off of, and that's definitely where
I felt the pressure. And it's like, gosh, it's just
so different. It's so different. Yeah, and you and I can't.
I mean, you went in with completely different expectations and
(46:05):
pressures and anxieties around certain things that I will I
could never fathom because I'm not a black woman. It's
and and just knowing how you operated, I mean, yes,
I know you mentioned like you were anxious throughout it,
and there was definitely I'm sure times where you questioned,
like if this was the best role for you, but
throughout like you've handled everything so well, like and you
(46:29):
did it the best you could, Like I think that's
what everyone. Yeah, I was just I think that was
just more guarded. It was, but it wasn't. It wasn't
guarded in like a lot of leads. I don't know
if people know this, but a lot of leads like
tend to get paranoid of Oh, yes, what are what
are your tensions? Producers, what are your intentions? You know everybody?
(46:50):
A lot of people get really paranoid, And for me,
I did have I actually was fairly relaxed as I
was going through it, but I was operating under really
intense pressure and really just having to think for myself
with everything, regardless of who is giving me advice, because
(47:11):
it was like nobody really understands what this is like,
or nobody that I'm talking to necessarily, because yeah, I
kind of really did it solo. Yeah, that's did you
have a moment like when you talk about the paranoia
and sorry, we're like quite totally on a tangent. Yeah,
(47:31):
I just was like this, I was just just hearing
you too today talk about like what was in your
mind and like relax and have fun, and it was yeah,
it was, Yes, I really did have fun and I
really like bonded with the people who around me. But
I was like, shit, we didn't have anybody come in
and talk to me, or we didn't have somebody, you know,
(47:52):
with Matt James, there was somebody by his side consulting
with him and everything, Like I really did that ship
by myself. I did have Caitlin and didn't like dang, yeah,
I guess I didn't even really remember that. You you know,
like they'll bring past leads in or past people in
to kind of kick off the season. I didn't even
(48:14):
realize that you didn't have that. It was just like
you said, you're writing, so following like the most heightened
time in the Frankie's history, and just with social media
and things. With Sean, he was like, well, social media
was around, but it wasn't like that. And you were
saying like, you know, social media is just getting started,
and I'm like, shit, we were in COVID, we were
(48:35):
in pandemic lockdown. Everybody did social media like that's all
you did. That's all everybody was on is getting their
hands into stuff and all that's everything. I'm like, Dan, yeah, oh,
give myself a little pat on the back right now.
You treat yourself you oh gosh. But now like, also,
(48:59):
now that you're out of it, like you've checked that box,
you did it? Now, like, do you feel like you
can be more free in a way where you can
be more yourself and breathe even though you are still
in the public spotlight. You are still you know, you
have a lot of people following you who are fans
of the show. Do you feel like you can breathe
(49:21):
a bit more not all that's behind you. Yeah. And
I want to start with I'm me bringing this up.
Isn't like me saying well I didn't have that, and
I you know, we joke about like me not being
able to travel and like whatever, But but it's really
I'm very happy that the leads around me were able
to receive that support. And I did have I will
(49:43):
say Kaitlyn Bristow. Kaitlyn Bristow helped me a ton, a
ton for sure. But yeah, I think now now I'm
very much like I got myself through it. I navigated that.
I navigated the race piece by myself. I navigate and
when I say about you know, I navigated it by myself.
(50:05):
And now I'm just like I know how to navigate
things in a way where I can very much relax
and also very much realize when somebody is putting me
in a situation where I will have repercussions and consequences,
whether and they don't intend to. But I've learned to
(50:25):
think for myself for sure. And yeah, and I've really
honestly learning this new world of social media. You can
mess a lot of things up. And I've been put
in situations that I really could have unintentionally hurt myself,
and because I am able to think for myself, I
(50:46):
was able to be like no, no and turn those
things down. But yeah, wild, wild times. But I'm really
happy that him and Zach really to kind of bring
that conversation back to Sean really happy that him and
Zach are able to kind of have that relationship. And
it seems like Zach has a lot of support from
(51:07):
counterparts and just different things as he's navigating this, and
that's that's great because the world is not easy. Yeah,
and it's going to change very quickly for him. If
it hasn't already, he will experience it very soon next
week with his very own season premiere. So yeah, I
think with that, I mean, we'll have a lot to
talk about next week. I don't know who the guest
(51:29):
is quite yet. Maybe it'll be Zack, maybe somebody from
his season. We'll find out. But yeah, Michelle, it's always
so great chatting with you. Thank you again for being
here with me today. Couldn't do this without girl. But yeah,
I'll see you. Absolutely love you. Sam goes to you,
Becca and Bachelor Happy Our listeners. If you know the
(51:51):
person who took that bible that has that letter from Catherine,
if there's anything you get from that podcast, this podcast,
bring it back, please return it. Yeah, just drop it
off in the mailbox on the front step, the truck
that you broke into, whatever it might be, that's nobody's
got to know. Nobody's got to know. Just get the
letter back. Do the right thing here, amen. Okay, well
(52:16):
with that, let's end on that note and do the
right thing. Thank you to Sean for joining us today,
and of course to all of you bauch Our Happy
Our listeners. We love having you on each and every week.
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