Tayshia on Her Breakup with JPJ

“Bachelor” alum Tayshia Adams opens up about her recent breakup with John Paul Jones. Plus, Rachel is joined by former Bachelorette and guest co-host Becca Kufrin, who shares some exciting news about the upcoming tour of “The Bachelor Live on Stage.”

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up everybody? You know what time it is. We
have another exciting episode of Bachelor Happy Hour. And of
course I'm not alone. I've got a very special guest,
a first timer to the Bachelor Happy Hour family. I
have the wonderful Becca Kup friend. Hello, I'm a newbie.
You're a newbie, but you're also my co host today. Yes,
and I'm so excited. We're gonna have a good time.
We've already if these walls could talk, you have no

(00:23):
idea what we were saying before we were micd up.
We should have been recording an hour ago. We should
we have been sipping some wine because of course this
is Bachelor Happy Hour. If you're gonna drink along with us,
make sure you drink responsibly. But maybe we'll get a
little loose lipped here, you know, spill the tea or
they might not be able to talk after that. I
love that. I love to hear that. Okay, but before

(00:46):
we get things kicked off, because we do have a
lot to get into. You have a new special project
that you were working on. Do tell so this is
actually the first time I can officially talk about it.
So I'm so excited. We've been working on it for
a while with my lovely co host Ben Higgins, but
I will be alongside him for The Bachelor Live on
stage tours. I'm so excited. We are kicking off February thirteenth,

(01:11):
twenty twenty in Mesa, Arizona. But basically what it is,
I could talk about this forever. I could also show
you all my choreography because I'm so because we've already
been working, We're getting choreography, We're getting like you are
getting the full Broadway esque experience. So basically, we are
bringing The Bachelor to sixty six cities across the nation,

(01:31):
so it's gonna be a wild ride. What I love
about this is you're going to see every city will
have their own local bachelors. So we're picking out these great,
awesome guys who are ready to hopefully find love, and
then ten contestants in each city, so some will be
picked by Ben and I, some may make appearances from
the audience, but it's going to be very audience interactive.

(01:52):
So you know, everyone watches The Bachelor and Bachelorette and
you get invested in the show and in the contestants,
and you have your favorites. The girls that you don't like,
So this is kind of the same thing. So we're
going to get the audience feedback on who we think
the Bachelor should end up with at the end. So
it's a little different. I know, we were talking about
the proposal before. It's not quite like that. So I

(02:13):
think people assume that the bachelor is going to have
to get engaged after two hours of the show. That's
not the case. He's just going to find his girl
who he thinks he wants to be continue dating in
the city and is most compatible with, so he can
give out his final rows. There is going to be
a great twist at the end, which I won't give
away right now because I want everyone to come and

(02:34):
watch it and see for themselves. But the twist at
the end is what hooked me and that's why I
originally said yes to this. So it's gonna be a
wild ride. It's going to be very fun. It'll be funny,
it'll be dramatic, we'll have some loving moments, and of course,
you know come see me in ben Dance. Well okay,
well you had me on choreography. Okay, Like I'm already
have my phone out, I'm googling I know you guys

(02:55):
are too, because I'm on the edge of my seat
trying to figure out what this is. I do have
a question though, yes, it is called Bachelive on stage.
Will there be people from the Bachelor franchise that may,
I don't know, make a guest appearance. Can we be invited?
Oh well, yes, you guys are already invited. I got
your tickets. There will be guest appearances. I mean, I'm
working hard to get Garrett to make an appearance because

(03:16):
I don't know a little off topic. Garrett did chippin
Dails a few months ago, and so anything that we
can get him to come out in a cowboy hat
and like rip a shirt off, I'm all four. So
does he remember the choreography? I don't know. If he dies,
I'm sure he does. I don't make him do it
at home. But he only had he literally met the
dancers like an hour before he had to go on
stage and do a full blown show with them. So

(03:38):
I think I think the dancers with him helped out
a lot, which we also will have a full dance
crew on our Bachelorlive on Stage two. So it's I
think when people are getting a sense of what this
all is. I think people might get nervous and they'd
be like, Oh, we don't want to be on stage.
That's serve racking. It's going to be so fun, it's
going to be so positive, lighthearted. But we have a

(04:00):
full production with us, so we have changing said. So
you're gonna feel like you're at the mansion. You're gonna
feel like maybe you're in the hot tub coming out
of the limo. But I've met the dancers this week
and they're amazing and they have everyone's backs. They are
going to make these girls and the Bachelor look wonderful.
So it's gonna be a good time. I love it
because you're you're really making Bachelor Nation feel like they're

(04:20):
a part of this thing. You watch it now. It's
coming to a sitting near US sixty six cities, which
is still crazy to me. I do have another question, though,
because the more and more you talk, I'm so excited
and I'm like, I have another question for the people
who didn't find love on The Bachelor. Is it possible
that maybe they're a contestant? It is possible that is

(04:41):
actually something that we had just been talking about a
couple of days ago. Because you have this amazing crew
of people who are still looking to find love, and
and you know you're in your hometown. Everyone's on the
dating naps, everyone's going to the bars and out to
try and find somebody. So this is basically like that,
but just on stage in front of a crowd. That
could be more fun. So we could bring in past contestants.

(05:04):
I also could see it finding some great people on
our live stage that could potentially if they want make
it onto the show too. Yeah, I'm going to give
you a list of people that I would like to see. Well,
you can nominate, Okay, I will do that. Everybody else
should dm Becca and Ben and let them know who
you would like to see from a past season on

(05:25):
the show. Dm me. Also, it might get buried, but
anyone if you want to apply or nominate anyone. I
will definitely be dominating some of my friends who are
single back in Minnesota. But you can go to Bachelor
Live onstage dot com. Is that also how they can
get tickets? Yes, tickets to the full lineup of cities, dates, everything. Okay,
Well I'm expecting free tickets, but Rachel, you might make
an appearance. I might be doing the choreography with me. Well, congratulations,

(05:49):
I'm so excited. I love that you win in depth
explaining it because I feel like we're all like Bachelor
live on stage. What is this? Need to understand it now?
I'm hooked. And that's when I first heard about it.
I was the same way because I think they announced
it at Paradise and they yeah, they were like, well
then to bend really quick. But everyone was like, what
is this? How's it gonna work. It's gonna be like

(06:10):
if you were to buy tickets to a Broadway show.
That's kind of what it's gonna be. You know, we're
not singing, luckily, because I don't think anyone wants to
hear that. But it's gonna be a full blown show.
Like you sit back, you can grab your cocktails. We'll
give you some roses. You can scream at the crowd,
you can scream at us, like you can get up
and dance with us. It's everything. It's super interactive. It's
going to be such a great time. I'm excited. It'll

(06:31):
be fun. I okay, I keep looking at the guests
that we have in the room because I'm like, aren't
you excited? But she can't say anything yet she can't
say anything. Yes she okay, Becca, congratulations to everything that
you have coming up. This is really exciting. You and
Ben are gonna have the best time. He'll be the
best co host. I'm excited. I am. I know all
of you guys are expecting to hear nil Lane this week.

(06:52):
And because normally we like to tease who's coming up
on the podcast, don't worry. Nil Lane will be here,
but not today because some big news has been popping
off in Batster Nation as of recently, and we know
you guys want to talk about it. We want to
talk about it. We want to hear from the people
who are involved with this big news. And yeah, I

(07:13):
don't know about you, Becca, but I've been a little
shook this week. We've gotten a lot of news. Yeah, yeah,
we have. And so we're not going to keep you
waiting any longer because in the studio today we have
Tasia Hi Tatia. So it has been announced that Tatia
and John Paul Jones JPJ. What what are we gonna

(07:33):
call him here? Because it's like a mouth hill and
I just I mean, I call him John, Okay, John,
I like that. So Tasia and John have officially split.
You guys know who we're talking about. And Tatia has
been our girl. She's a friend of the show, so
she's gonna dish about it and just tell us what happened.
Take us from the beginning, because I feel like there's
been so much speculation about your relationship, so let's just
stop speculating. Let's get right to it. Let's talk to

(07:56):
the woman who was actually involved in this relationship. Who
can set the record straight. Okay, you guys, So we're
gonna be talking to Nil next week, but this week
it's all about Tasia. Oh right out there? Can we
get a timeline first? Yeah? Am I jumping ahead? I
would like because I watched Paradise on and off. I
actually saw you at Mexico at Chris and Chris's wedding,

(08:19):
and at that point I didn't know. I mean, there
was a lot going on, so I didn't know that
you guys had been dating. But I just want a
timeline of when everything started ended, everything in the middle. Okay,
so we'll go back to the wedding. At that point
I had so I actually had talked to Derek's since
day one of Paradise. You guys kind of saw a
snippet of me talking to him, So I think that's

(08:43):
where we kind of decided to take it to the
next level and see if there was anything there, but
there wasn't. I think that's where John also decided that
he wanted to pursue me wholeheartedly, as opposed to see
anything else. Catch So my question is because it made
it seem like John. He sounds so worn when I

(09:04):
just called him John. Yeah, when he was pursuing you,
I mean he seemed all in, like he was head
over heels, like dead set, laser focused on you, obsessed. Yeah,
So did you sense that when you were with him
or was it more watching it back where you're like,
oh god, he's really into me. I honestly had no

(09:26):
idea how much he was like into me until I
think he was when he started crying to me and
he was just like, I just really need you to
have like your own time, and I need to decide
what you want, like I want you in blah blah blah.
And that happened, I don't know right before I would
say a week before breakups, Okay, before the fantasies. Yeah,

(09:46):
this was after the wedding, right, Okay, yeah, um, but
like to me, it was just kind of like a
fun fling honestly, like we had like that moment where
we like fell in the pool. It was just like,
I don't know what the heck is going on, Like
this guy's super fun and we just had a good time.
But I did didn't really see anything serious coming out
of it, Like the next day, we just didn't talk,
like it would just be like a fun, like little flirt,
you know what I mean. So when he was like

(10:08):
I love you, it really caught me by surprise. I
did not expect him to say that at all. So
when I broke up with him at that moment, it
was because I thought it was the right thing to do,
because I'm not just gonna say I love you just
to say I love you, and I'm not going to
lead him on because I can tell if this guy
was like legitimately head over heels for me, well, you
obviously saw something in JPJ that you didn't see in

(10:28):
Derek because you sent Derek home, so you knew that
there was nothing there. Am I right? Correct? I was
not how do I say this up? I was not
romantically drawn to Derek. Ok we had like a good connection,
and I think that we connected on us a lot
of ways that a lot of people at Paradise were

(10:51):
not able to connect with me, like in the sense
that he was engaged at one point that didn't work out.
We had to put ourselves out there before. So we
connected on that and so I think that's where our
foundation really started. But at that time when you sent
Derek Comb, did you see something more serious with JPJ
or was it just more fun and lighthearted and you
wanted to experience that lighthearted side of things. I'm honestly

(11:17):
at that point it was just it was more fun
and lighthearted. But also John possessed a lot of qualities,
like the fact that he's a faithful man and not
just like I mean with like religion, Like he's a
religious man. He's also very close to his family. He
was successful in his job. He's a financial analyst. He
went to school for doing something you know that requires brains,

(11:39):
and I that's attractive to me. There was a lot
of things I was drawn too by John. But also
it was just really fun. The way he made me
laugh was like nobody else. Okay, changing gears here when
you watched JPJ on hand this season. What were your
thoughts because I watched behind the scenes of I think
it was when they had My Favorite day the Drakes

(12:00):
and they did the like talent show portion of that
date and he came out on the unicycle. Yeah, I
almost fell into the audience, but he was in his
speedo and I was like, who is this guy? Like
he's going all out? He I mean I was sitting
back just dying laughing. Yeah, but what were your thoughts
were you when you saw him then? Were you like, oh,
he's cute or were you like this goofball? I thought

(12:21):
he was a goofball, but like it made me laugh.
I remember rewinding it like three, four or five times
when he was when they were doing the berthing simulation.
I was laughing so hard at the faces he was
making and he just made me laugh. And then same
with the unicycle thing. But then also I left a
paradise right after us. I didn't see anything else when
you described John, like you talk about the laughter, which

(12:42):
we all saw, like he seems like he's a really
funny guy, and then you named a bunch of other
characteristics like that he checks off the boxes, things that
are important to you. But as far as connecting with
each other, what was it that drew you to him? Honestly,
it was just I feel like he he just like

(13:04):
listened to me and he maybe I was just really
vulnerable at the time and I just needed someone just
to like show me that care and attention, you know
what I mean. And um, he just was really invested
in getting to know me and wanting to hear my
heart and all the kind of stuff. He was there,
He was present and that's what I wanted at the time.
How was kissing him? Oh well, I did tell John

(13:28):
we needed to work on that. We can tell it.
I was looking at him like, why are you kissing
me like a fish? But we worked on it. He
got much better, I will tell you that. Damn it.
I'm not going to say anything I ask the next question.
I think he was honestly very nervous though. Okay, so
the kissing obviously leads to the touching in the fantasy suits,

(13:51):
which you sent him home before right before the Fantasy suits.
I get because when I was the bachelort, I sent
Jason home during right before Fantasy Suits. I'm sure I
sent him home for vastly different reasons, because at that
point I really was falling hard for Jason and the
feelings were there, and I knew it would have been
a great night, But I just I also knew I

(14:13):
had really strong connections with the remaining men. So what
was your thought process in that moment when I know
that you said he had said that you loved that
he had loved you, and you didn't want to string
him along and take him with the fantasy suits? But
did you ever? What was your thought process in saying
no at that point? Did you want to explore the
night with him or idea? Did the fish kissing kind

(14:35):
of turn you off? No? I did, But intimacy is
a really big deal for me. I don't know I
can count on one hand how many people I've slept with.
I'm just intimacy is a really big deal. So I
wouldn't just do it just to do it. And there's
nothing wrong with anybody exploring that, But I'm just saying
for me, I wasn't ready to take that step because

(14:56):
I knew I wasn't all in. So was intimacy a
part of your relationship when you left Paradise? Like, did
you do you feel like I'm not trying to get
you to tell me your personal business, like what goes
on behind closed doors. I just more so mean, do
you feel like you had an intimate that intimacy that
you were seeking with Sean Paul Jones? Um? I think

(15:18):
over time, as I got to know him. That's Mendos,
a co host today as well. I was trying to
make it all about her. I'm sorry, do you want
to come up here and talk um um as our
relationship progress outside of all of um paradise, I say,
the cameras and all that stuff. Just getting to know him,

(15:39):
I was more open to being intimate with him, yes, kay,
But also we were long distance, so try that. How Yeah,
let's get into that. Because we saw you guys break up,
it was really really emotional. I do want to ask
you that when you broke up with him, were you
in that moment regretting it or were you yes? Okay, yes, Well,

(16:01):
because we saw the part where you guys said your
goodbyes on the day bed and then you ran after him,
And in that moment when when I was watching it,
I was like, Oh, she's gonna get him back, like
she's gonna say I made a mistake. I had no
idea what to expect, but I thought it was sweet
that you gave him that extra time and gave him
a huggin and made him still feel special, Like you
guys did have something. But I was convinced you were

(16:22):
going to be like we're doing this, We're going to
the fantasy sweets. Yeah, I don't know. I knew that
he was a special person. Like I said, there was
just a lot of things that I think he checks off.
I think also the whole loyalty thing, it's a really
big deal for me. I don't think John would ever
put himself in a situation and he's also promised me
that to ever cheat on me, and cheating on me

(16:43):
it's like a really big thing to me because I
have been burned like that in the past. So there's
just like other things as well that I love about him,
But that was like a really big thing to me,
And I was like, I don't know if I will
find that again. I just don't want to subject myself
to being her specifically like that. So Yeah, I feel
like with JPJ, you got I keep used saying his name.

(17:05):
I've said all like five different ways. I feel like
with JPJ. He gave you what was missing for you
in other relationships, and sometimes maybe that's like what you
hold on to and what you're drawn to, and then
time goes on and you realize you maybe need a
little bit more in a relationship. So time did go
on for you, guys, and we saw you go see him.

(17:29):
Where was he in Baltimore? Is that where it was?
He's in Maryland, Maryland, So we see you go see
him in Maryland. You guys get back together your boyfriend
and girlfriend official? And how much time passed between then
and the now breakup? That was the end of July.
So July, August, September, October. Okay, did you guys talking

(17:50):
in between leaving Paradise and going out? So that was
like that was honestly the first time I saw him,
spoke to him anything. I wouldn't say left. Did you
feel like you're stomach who was going to fall out
of your butt? I would have been freaking out. You
don't even know. I was higraventilating, I was shaking. I
was like and it was super hot that day. Um,
it was just well it looked good. We couldn't yeah,

(18:11):
I know, we couldn't tell thank you very much. I
knew he was going to take you back. I mean,
if everything what he was saying about you and Paradise
was true, then this was a dream that literally just
knocked on his door for him. Yeah, So take us
through that time off camera between July and where are
we now? November July and November first or October when

(18:32):
you guys broke up. Um, what how did your relationship progress?
I'm or didn't. I mean, honestly, it was very slow. Um,
I feel like we had just gone back from paradise.
John was still working at nine to five. Um, he
went actually straight to work the next day after he
came back from Paradise. So, and again he's a financial analyst,

(18:53):
so his work is very grueling. He doesn't, he told
me since the day like we got together. He's like, listen,
and I'm at where I'm at work. If I don't respond,
I'm not going to respond because I just I'm in
it one And I said, that's totally fine. But we're
also a three hour time difference. So, um, we really
just relied on facetimean John got an entirely new phones

(19:13):
that we could facetimey even better. Before that, No, he
just halm, like I don't even know, like the first literally,
oh my gosh. And so he went straight to a
Verizon store. I got a brand new cell phone, and
he was just like, Tage, I could FaceTime your now
because that was like a huge part for us um

(19:34):
And I was traveling a bunch. I just realized that
last weekend was my first weekend home since mid August.
Like I had been gone every single weekend, every single minute. Honestly,
so John working nine to five, me traveling a bunch
and trying to squeeze in too, like see him when
I can it Just like it was hard. It's really

(19:56):
really hard. And I did do long distance at one point.
I did it for three years, but at that point
I was in college, ID you know, he was working,
and I was okay with that setting. At this point
in my life, I want someone to be with me.
I need to be able to be in the same
town with them. You want to have that serious relationship,
right you've been trying to find. I get that. I

(20:16):
did long distance for a while after college and going
on the show. That was the one thing I was
nervous about coming off of. When I was finally with
Garrett is I said, I don't want to do long distance,
so we have to figure out it's where we're going
to be, and it's you know, your life is changing
as you have experienced. Your world kind of blows up
after you get off the show and you have all
these great opportunities and you're traveling like crazy, which that

(20:39):
in itself is already hard on a relationship. So adding
the long distance, I can't imagine how difficult that would
have been. And I think people are like, oh, like
you were just parting, You're just having fun, like you
can make a decision. But it's like also at the
same time, I need to live my life too, and
it is opportunities, but it's also work in a way.
I am working, I was traveling for work. I go
to a ton of expos so actually there was an

(21:00):
expot in Baltimore and I was able to see John
for an hour and a half while I was there.
So I tried to make it work as much as
I possibly could, but it really it was hard. Go ahead,
go ahead, I want to know, so this long di
since would you say, were you both equally putting in
that time to try to make it work, or would
you say you were doing the brunt of it. I

(21:23):
wouldn't say that. I would say that John did fly
out to come see me. I would say two weeks
after I went out to Baltimore to go get him back.
So he did make an effort with that, and that's
when he met all of my friends. And at that
time we were in hiding, so it was kind of silly. Honestly,
we had to like stay in a car the whole

(21:43):
time and in a hotel room. But I don't know
he would like send me he sent me flowers my birthday.
I really don't know how to say, like who put
more effort in? Like what do you want me to say?
Like I called you ten times today and you called
me only four? You know what I mean? So it's
kind of hard to say like putting in more effort.
And I'm sure week is different it is. I'm gonna

(22:04):
I'm gonna get into some tougher questions. Yeah, please, So
John Paul Jones announced that he was moving to California,
So that eliminates the long distance factor, right, has he
moved here already? He moved here a week ago. Okay,
so he moved here a week ago, and you guys
broke up within a week, So I guess it's safe

(22:25):
to say that long distance wasn't the issue in your relationship. I. Yes,
there are other factors. There were definitely other factors as
to why we are not together today, but I will
say that long distance didn't help it anyway. Yeah, And
I guess. And I'm asking you because you know, a
lot of a lot of people have been critical of

(22:46):
your relationship with John, like, let's just put it out there.
And I know one of the things that they talk
about is the fact that, um, you know, they didn't
believe the relationship that you had with one another. And
so I want to give you the opportunity to dispel
those rumors because if you're saying it's distanced, but then
he moved here, you know, I don't. I don't feel

(23:07):
like you have to tell everybody exactly why you broke up,
but just more of saying your piece so people aren't
putting in their own preconceived notions. Yeah. Yeah, and it's
hard because they don't want to. Like I will never
bad mouth John in any way, shape or form, but like,
we each have our own flaws, and I think communication
is a really big deal I learned from my previous

(23:28):
relationship that I would I'm very much so overcommunicative, if
you will, because I need everyone to know where I'm at,
and so I know that John can say that I
am very vocal about my feelings and what's upsetting me,
what's taking me happy, and giving him backstory so that
way he knows what he's doing is affecting me in
a certain way. But that's all I can do. What

(23:53):
he can do is listen to that and try to
navigate our relationship with that information I'm giving him. So
if you're choosing to not I don't know, communicate, If
you're choosing to have that stuff go in one ear
and out the other and cause problems, then that's on you.
Can I just say that dating a financial guy or

(24:17):
an engineer, like they have the same there it's hard
to communicate, Like it's hard for them to communicate because
they think in a different way. There's something about it. Well,
I'm sure when you're so analytical, yeah maybe not necessarily
in number is driven, but you're you're ninety five is
focused on something. It probably is hard to turn that off,

(24:39):
turn that off and then feel like, oh I can
let out my feelings and I can talk about my
emotions and I can. Yeah, I see that. No, Yeah,
it's tough. Like for me, for example, I'm very analytical,
but not in the same way like an engineer or
you know, like a finance guy is. But when it
comes to it's like I have to learn to turn
it off. You know, I'm listening to an argument and

(25:02):
poking holes in it and I'm just supposed to be
having a conversation, you know, in my relationships. So you
have to learn how to turn it off. And that
comes with age and experience. You know. I wasn't always
able to do that, and I still struggle with it.
And so it just sounds like maybe you guys were
on two different pages. Is that fair to say? It
is fair to say, And I definitely told him. I'm like, hey, honestly,

(25:22):
I just want you to experience a little bit more life.
I feel like you just need to live a little
bit and learn a little bit, because I feel like
I can only do so much and I can only
give you so much insight into me. But if you
are just stuck in your own ways and you're like
kind of trying to dive in deeper to what I'm
trying to tell you, it's and make issues. It's not.
It's not going to benefit this in any way. And
how old is JPJ? He's twenty four? Twenty four, I

(25:46):
know anyone says that, but he has like a job,
he does have his feet on the ground. Yeah, yeah,
the youngest in He was the youngest in his firm
for quite some time. Now, you know that's a serious,
it's over there. I just have a weird thing where
I when I was a bouchelor and they asked, Okay,
what's your type when we're looking I was like, I

(26:07):
don't have a type, but I just want them to
be my age or older. I was not looking to
date anyone younger. And that's just me personally. And I've
dated guys that are younger than me and obviously it
didn't work out. But I'm like, I need them to
like be on my same level and to have experienced
enough life. And obviously it takes men a little bit
longer than women to grow up and mature. And so

(26:29):
I mean props to you because I feel like I
would maybe have shut down and just like seeing only
the numbers, and so I'm glad that you still opened
yourself up to somebody who and you know everything. For
the most part, he does sound great. It's just the
age barrier and the communication immaturity. Yeah, you know. I

(26:50):
mean John is definitely not the typical guy would go
after in the sense of his age and his fun,
goofy nature and all that kind of stuff. Usually look
for a guy that's a little bit more serious and
a little older and all that stuff. But that's why
I went after him because obviously I'm not finding someone
where my standards are so like, what if this guy
is exactly what I want, it's just package a little differently,

(27:11):
you know, Like I feel like, oh gosh, I said
I was gonna ask you tough questions, So I'm just
asking because I want you to have the opportunity to
just be completely clear. J p J said that he
moved to la for you. Well, one, is that true,
because if it is, then it kind of goes to

(27:35):
the listening that you need him around you don't want
to do the distance. It seems like he was really
trying to make the relationship work. So did he move
to LA for you? And this article makes me It
makes me upset to be honest with you because he
Obviously John wants to be closer to me, that's one thing,
But he did not move to La for me, And

(27:55):
the fact that that's like the headline really does piss
me off because since the very beginning, and I've told
my friends, my family, like everyone knows this, I will
not have someone move for me unless we're in a
serious relationship, whether it be engagement, to whether it be
we've been dating you for four years, whatever it is.

(28:18):
I did that in the past, and I ended up
resenting that person. And it's because I quit my job.
I upwroarted my life. I moved away from my family
and my friends, and I became depressed. I was not happy.
But I did it because I wanted to be with
that person. Yeah, so I know how that feels. And
the last thing I would I've ever want is for
John to quit a job that he worked so hard

(28:39):
to get and that's what he went to school for him,
move away from his family, his friends, come to tan where.
You know, LA's not for everyone. I hate La. I'll
never move La. Okay, let's just be honest. So for
him to come down here and then just not feel
himself and then say we didn't work out. Now he's here,
and why did he move here. He moved because he

(29:00):
wanted to be an actor, and because he was getting
auditions and he didn't it was just easier for him
to attend those as opposed to flying out. That's why
he moved here. And he knew that story since the
very beginning. So now that people are like ll tation,
he just uparated its entire life for you. It makes
you look like the come on, that's why. Hey, when

(29:21):
people just read headlines and they don't like listen to
other sides or even read the full story. And I
will say, like, coming off of the show, you're, like
I said, your entire world was kind of flipped upside down,
and you have so many opportunities, so many invites to
all these great places in LA because everything happens here.
And I'm sure you know, being a guy coming from

(29:43):
the show, you have all this new found notoriety and
attention and of course like it's fun and it's shiny
and exciting. So they're definitely I could see why he
would move right, especially if you wants to be an actor,
to come to this area because that's where it's all happening, right,
But for him to just say, oh, I moved here
solely for her, that does make you look like the

(30:03):
bad guy. And it does much more too the story,
which is why you go back to communication. It goes
back to are you listening to me? You know what
I mean? So don't make it seem like something else
when it's really not. And I've like poured out my
heart and told you how I feel, do you know what?

(30:24):
And I think that's fair and thank you for being
honest about that. And I think what perpetuates the storyline
even further of he moved it from you you left him,
making it seem like you weren't as interested in him
as when you have other people from Bachelor Nation start
putting their input into whatever the story is right, And

(30:47):
I think that that's not fair because only truly, only
you and jp J know what happened in your relationship
as many times as you tell the story, but because
we're all a part of this franchise, when another person
from the France speaks out about it, it holds, whether
true or not, some clout because they come from this franchise.
So I'm going somewhere with this story. Are you cool

(31:09):
with Dylan. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't
think there was anything wrong between us, do you know what?
Apparently there is? So Dylan tweeted right after your announcement,
color me shocked. I think everybody took that as a
reference to what you had just announced. Yeah, And I'm

(31:30):
asking if you're cool because first of all, I'm trying
to just, you know, take away the fact that he
actually even knows what he's talking about where he when
he tweets that. But when you see things like that,
how does that make you feel? It's like, really like
you saw us in Paradise number one, Okay, you know us,
you know me. Why you're sharing the pot you're just

(31:53):
putting in other people's heads like you're validating like their
speculation about my relationship And you don't even know what
I'm talking about or my relationship. So what's his input?
I don't understand, honestly, I hate to I don't know well,
And I don't get like everyone has their opinions, everyone
has the right to comment on things. I don't get
the pointless tweets and the pointless comments, Like for me,

(32:15):
it's just kind of a waste of everyone's time. It's
kind of like, you know how we all get DM
it's about everything, And half the time, it's like, why
did you even feel the need to type that out
and take time out of your day to write that
and then take time out of my day or everyone
else's day to read that when you're not going to
even give any more context to it. It just it
doesn't make sense to me. Oh, it makes sense to me.
I think it's just purely for attention. Yeah, and just

(32:37):
for attention. I think Dylan doesn't because we were fine
on the beach. I don't know if it's he doesn't
like me anymore because Hannah and I had like a
little bit of a tiff, which want to but the
thing is, Hannah, if Hannah did that to me, I
could understand. Dylan, Okay, just because you're her fiance. Now
you're gonna like poke fun at me and like try
to like start a fine with me. It's dead and done.

(32:59):
Like Danna and I are not feuding? Are you and
JPJ friends? Um? I wouldn't say, so, Okay, I don't
think there's any beef there or on John's part, but
apparently maybe on Dylan's. Yeah, So going back to hands, Yes,
we saw some tension. Have been on the stage during

(33:21):
the finale. Where are you guys at now? Um, we
don't communicate, so it's just dead and done. And but
that's nothing like, that's nothing different, Like we were never
ever texting each other all the time or right hanging
out her. So you get so after Colton's season obviously
where you met. Were you ever close on that season
or was it more because I get it, like living

(33:42):
with thirty some girls, you're not going to be best
friends with everyone. There's definitely girls on my season, well
are a season that I you know, I respect them,
but I'm I don't ever feel the need to tell
them or checking on them, and you don't have to.
You don't have to. And I think that that's a
big misconception. We've talked about it here on the podcast,
is that people think because we all came from this
world together, that we're all supposed to be best friends.

(34:04):
You can be friendly and cordial and that's fine, but
my god, the show's been all for seventeen years. It's exhausting.
There's so many of us. Yeah, no, for sure, but no,
I really I'm really glad you were being open and
honest and spoke about like other people having their input
on issues they know absolutely nothing about, because it's just,

(34:27):
you know, you're already going through your own thing. You know,
people forget that you actually experienced a break up and
you're trying to get over that, and so is John,
you know, in his defense as well, and now you
have to defend yourself to people you don't even know
when things like this happen, right, And they have their
own platform, they have a lot of people that follow

(34:49):
them and look at you know, look up to them.
So if you're just putting it out there, it's just
bad juju. Stay away from me. Can I just get
some detail about it? Because obviously it's a show, so
things are edited in a certain way. And yeah, you know,
things that don't seem like a small deal could be
bigger things that are a big deal that are shown.
Probably Eric, that's big. So what was so you make

(35:11):
it seem like you and Hannah didn't you know? It
was it was more of just an understanding that you
guys didn't need to be best friends. It was pretty
There wasn't like any real feeling or tension. Was there
tension going into Paradise or was it after the fact
that she had been dating Blake and then he took
you on the first date and there was no tension
going into Paradise or at all with any of the women.

(35:34):
I think it's just just the way things unfolded. It
was just like it. I'm usually upfront and honest, that's
just how I am. Apparently I was naive going into
Paradise thinking that you actually genuinely meet people on the
beach to try to date them, and not prior to
the show. So maybe that's my own problem, but it
just rubbed me the wrong way. That's It's as simple

(35:56):
as that. And so I confronted her at the end
of the finale or the reunion, whatever you want to
call it. We did say like, hey, I'm sorry, like
that everything was it blew up the way it did.
Let's just move on and be happy. So that's why
I'm saying when Dylan says this stuff, it's like, obviously
you still harbor some type of like and in your
mind it's already in the past. It's done, it doesn't
need to be brought up again. Move on. What I'm over,

(36:20):
I'm muting. No, I'm muting myself. I like, I hate
that that you had to defenders, truly had to defend
yourself when it comes to that. But I like that
you spoke on you and Hannah, and I like that
just because you don't have to be friends, but you
guys squashed everything. You've just moved on with your lives
and that's good. Like I'm glad to know that there's
no beef when it comes to that. And even though
Dylan did insert himself with a tweet, I hope that

(36:41):
that doesn't stir anything up because I think you and
Hannah are cool. Yeah moving forward, I mean, yeah, I
saw it and I just rolled my eyes. And yeah,
because you and Hannah were Holton's top three. I mean
that in itself, very few people experience that sort of feeling,
that way of dating, and so in some sort of sense,
I would hope that you guys have that mutual respect
for each other to get to that point and know
what it felt like. And yeah, again, you don't have

(37:03):
to be best friends, but to still understand we went
through something. And when I say I bonded you in
a way, it doesn't have to be like a best
friend bond, but it so bonded you and you guys
understood it, and so then to kind of go from
that into paradise again where you're potentially dating the same people,
you just have to understand like that's the name of
the game. But you don't have to like hate each

(37:24):
other or be best sis in that situation, right, And
I think even more so not only were you to
the top three, but because of the way that finale ended,
and there was just so much attention around it, not
just because of the fence, but just because of what
happened to you and Hannah and how you guys were
let go. I think you also shared something too, even

(37:45):
more so than it's never happened before. And anyway, I
never experienced quite like that. Like, yeah, I was with
Lauren and Kendall in my top three, and but that
was more standard. It was more of the show structure.
But yeah, yours goes beyond that. It's still different. And
like we also message each other, or actually right before
that finale with Colton that we were like you got this,
Like we're supporting each other. Yeah, girl power are we

(38:08):
got it? And it sounds like y'all still do support
each other. I hope. Yeah, it really does, at least
on my end. You know, you know, something that you
said stuck with me. It made me think of something
else when you talked about coming into Paradise and you
didn't realize that all the stuff that had gone down
before and it's it's new. It's it's really I always
I compare it to sports. It's tampering all this contact

(38:32):
before you know Paradise, and some people are a fan
of it, some people are against it. I personally am
on the side of being against it. I know there's
gonna be some communication, but not like the way things
went down. It was a lot. It was and it
got ugly and messy, and we saw it play out before, during,
and after Paradise. But I feel like you have such

(38:53):
a different perspective coming into this entire franchise because you
are a minority in the sin of you have been
married before and then you've experienced the heartbreak of losing
that relationship in the divorce, and you went through some
things in that relationship, and I remember you talking about
it on Colton's season. Do you feel like that does

(39:15):
really affect you as far as how you navigate these
relationships when it comes to this franchise of course, like
I'm not going to waste my time. And that's the
same thing with like how it worked out with John
and I in Paradise. It's like, I'm not going to
waste your time. I'm not going to waste my time
if I'm not going to feel I'm not gonna say
I'm gonna I feel something when I don't, you know
what I mean. And also with Derek, I didn't see

(39:37):
potential there, so I'm not going to lead him on
and be like, oh, let's play around and stick around,
like That's not the name of the game for me.
It's I'm trying to find someone, you know what I mean, well,
and which it seems like this season not for you,
of course, but for others where it was this is
a friendship, Rose, and I wanted give it to you
to stick around longer and hope that you reciprocate next week.
It just right. And again, I haven't watched of Paradise

(40:00):
one full season just because I get Aunty and I
can't just it just me. But but I did watch
some of it, and so it felt it. I mean,
I know the premise of the show. Of course they've
seen bits and pieces, So it seemed weird that that
was for some people the motive right where it didn't
feel like, then why are you going to Paradise? Like
why don't you just have friendships back home? And that's

(40:21):
my point, like figure it out at home. You clearly
like each other. Just why do you need to go
on the beach? You know? I mean, I'll tell you
why because you have a onethlong vacation. In my room,
I heard the shrimp tacos are amazing. They are bomb.
Actually the food is amazing in paradise. Your paradise is miserable.
It is the food. I can I take a break

(40:44):
from Garrett for Yeah, who are you close with in
the franchise? Like? Who do you consider a friend? Um?
There's actually quite a few. Um, Sydney, She's a real one.
Nicole Um Christian actually has become one of my really
good friends as well, Demise Christian. Um? Who else? Katherine?

(41:10):
Do you guys remember Katherine? I actually met her and
she's very She's literally everything. I love her. Katherine, she's
one that interrupted Colton four times with the dog? Um?
Who else? I don't know? Kurtpa That was my thinking,
Oh my god, I'm gonna get so many messages saying like, Titia,
really you forgot about me. There's a there's a there's

(41:31):
a few of them. You know who you are? Yeah,
they know exactly who they are. I was asking that
question for a reason why, I like, no, no, no, not,
I just forgot my question. I was going somewhere with
wondering who your friends were, and I forgot the guys.
Any of the guys I don't. I don't text them often.
That's like what you're asking. I'm trying to think. I

(41:54):
don't know. It's a weird world. It really is. It's
there's a I can't even remember my name half the time,
so to like, I will say I'm still friends with
a couple of the girls in my season, but only
a handful. Yeah, because it's it's just say those that
I mentioned I texted daily. Yeah yeah, I mean, well,
and those ones live so close, right, so I mean
except for Nicole, but like I swear Nicole will fly

(42:15):
down here tomorrow if I needed her. So, oh my gosh,
this seems like that was it was it you that
like pushed her one of there's a memo there that
I think I watched like twenty seven times because I
thought it was so funny. It was well, was it
in context? Well we got into that point. Was she
push pushing her on the bed? Yeah, oh it was.
Was it about Angela? Yes, yes, yes, because angel had

(42:36):
walked by, and then like as soon as Angela walked by,
Nicole is like waving and I was just like, get
out of here, like we're doing with that, and so
I pushed her head. Oh I've missed that. Instagram you later.
You know It's good, though. Do you do you feel
like after your breakup with JPJ that you need a
break from this franchise? I honestly, right now, I like

(43:00):
I can actually breathe, which is weird. No, it's not
like you do you feel like you have some of
your not independence because obviously you guys weren't living in
the same area, but just that you now don't have
to worry about like explaining that relationship any longer to people.
I am so sublust of people saying what I'm doing
is fake, Like are you seeing me like cry at night?

(43:22):
Are you seeing me like laughing, like spend time with
my boyfriend? No, you're not. I'm also tired of people
constantly asking me where someone else is, and I'm just like,
I'm just with my girlfriends, Like, can I live for
a minute. Why do you think that people immediately their
first thing is, oh, she couldn't possibly like JPJ. She's
doing it for followers. I don't know because maybe like
on the show John, I'm so head over heels and like,

(43:44):
I didn't know I wanted him this second I saw him,
So I guess clearly I'm not in it. Do you
know what my fault was when people said that about you?
I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna call a spade
a spade. Titi's black, Like she knows that she's not
gonna get like top notch followers in this franchise, so
her dating jp J is not gonna give her, you know,
like millions of followers. So next try again. Plays That's

(44:05):
really what I thought. If I wanted followers, wouldn't I
be posting about him every second? That all right? That
that perpetuate, Yes, the likes and the follows. I get
it annoys me that people set that for you, Like
why can't she like JPJ? Why can't it be real? Right?
And I will I don't know you that well, Yeah,
I spent a little time together, especially on the podcast,
but you just seem real like you seem down to earth.

(44:29):
You don't seem like you're somebody to like chase the
fame like I've seen with other people coming from the show.
But so that's why I thought it was weird. I
will say, when I first heard that you two were together,
my just thought was that is the strangest couple just
be sure. Yeah, of course, only because you from what
I've seen, you're just so down to earth. You're eloquent

(44:50):
to your mature and JPJ have only met once at
the wedding, but he was just a character. He was
He was great to chat with, but he was a character.
So I was just I was just taking him back
when I heard that you guys were together. But I
would have never you know, I didn't think like she
she's not the type of girl to like for the fame. Yeah,
I've come on, I'm twenty nine years old, Okay, I'm

(45:12):
not trying to be something I'm not at this point,
and I'm not gonna put myself in a situation just
to do it. I just I just don't. You're twenty nine,
you've been married and divorced before, So for you, it's
like it's not a game, it's serious. And I think
that people really need to take that in perspective into
perspective and not just look at it as like, oh,
he seems to be goofy okay, but why can't he

(45:33):
be so much more than that? There's only one other
side you're saying of him, No, I know him better. Yeah, right,
and we'll take that back to like why I fell
for him in Paradise is because he can be silly
and goofy, and I have that side too. But also
at the same time, when the cameras weren't around, we
did have very intellectual conversations. We had spiritual conversations. We
just we had good conversations that like connected with him

(45:54):
on that's the boring stuff that they never Yeah, and
he gets so much good funny content that of course
sense with but there was more depths to him and
not a lot of people saw that, and so people
are just like, well, why is she with him? I
have two really random questions. Yeah. Number one, when you
drew him, do you still have that? You know what?
I think the Bachelor Office has also did you actually

(46:19):
draw him? Because I well, I also have a very
small TV. It's like the size of a microwave, so
I need a magnifying glass to ever see anything. But
did you actually draw him? Like, yeah, it's person. Yeah,
Well I mean I would yeah, but yeah I really
did try. Are you I'm not an artist? Actually my
sister is a phenomenal artist. But I mean I'll try.

(46:41):
You know, you're probably way better than me. Question two. Sorry,
I'm totally going off topic. I'm clearly not a great synation.
I want to know, Okay, watching your hometown with on
Colton season with your family, your dad, he's a hard ass,
like he's tough. You can clearly tell he cares about you,

(47:02):
which I appreciate. But how did he feel when you
came home? Well, not necessarily when you came home, because
you didn't go back to JPJ for a little bit.
But did he ever meet JPJ? And how did that go?
What did he think of him? Took good questions? He
met him vface time, and the first thing he asked

(47:23):
me was like, hey, I just want to make sure
your stomach's okay, because, like Jane, try to kill him
with the hot talk us. And he's like, were you
really vomitating like that, like are you Oh yeah, He's
like come up with some good food and that kind
of thing. But he Honestly, my dad, my parents in general,
they just they trust me. So if I'm going to
bring someone into my life, I know that they're going

(47:44):
to have my back and they just trust my judgment. Right.
So yeah, what's your relationship like right now with Jjohn?
Do you y'all still? I know it's fresh? Yeah, but
when you ended a relationship, how did you guys walk
away from each other? I mean, we saw your post,
but it was you know, it was an Instagram post
and it was politically correct if you want to, if

(48:07):
you if you if I could phrase it into anything,
but truly for some people, well you know you can't
please everybody, especially, but how truly, how are you too
right now? And did you talk about future? How you'd
be moving forward? Um? Honestly, John and I had a
really good UM conversation. Our last conversation was really good.

(48:29):
UM in Santa Monica when we met up with each other.
It was just we both feel like it's just not
the right time for us and we don't want to
um completely cut each other out of each other's lives
right now. Right now, we can't really keep talking because
we need to kind of move on and heal. But
we will be friends. Um whatever the future holds, the
future holds, But um, I don't know. I just still

(48:53):
think he needs to kind of realize I was a
real I was real, and I was just trying to
be like upround and honest, and I was just trying
to honestly create a foundation for a real relationship. I
wasn't trying to play games. I'm not a twenty four
year old that's trying to like, I don't know, mess around.
So what's next for you? Like, can I just say selfishly?

(49:15):
In my mind, I'm like, Okay, no offense to JPJ.
But I'm like, okay, she's single. Like I'd really think
I'm a really good matchmaker. I have matched people up
who have been married. So I'm like, okay, going down
the list in my head, take your time. I'll have
a list for you when you're ready. Ok, why don't
we just nominate her for The Bachelor Live on Stage tour. Oh,
I'm a bachelorette, let's take it. Let's take her, Oh

(49:36):
or Bachelor. Yeah, you know you think you long term.
I'm thinking I just want to hang out with you. Know,
we know you've got a new show coming up that
you write thirteenth y'all make sure you get your tickets now.
You can get them at Bachelorlive onstage dot com. There
you go back up. But I will say, Tai, if
you were the Bachelorrette. Okay, I was telling Rachel this
a couple of days ago. I feel like no offense

(49:57):
to the show because it has done so much in
so much obviously brought me my fiance, but so much
for me. But I it's it's lost a little bit
of its luster because I feel like now I'm a
grandma watching and I just feel old and sort of disconnected.
So we're the same age. And I'm not calling you
a grandma by any means, but I would love to

(50:20):
watch some Not to say people aren't there for the
right reasons, but you seem like you really want to
find your person, and I would love to watch that,
and I would root for you. I'd call in, I'd
give you my vote. Let me tell you something, You're
not going to come back and co host if you
call yourself a grandma one more time, because if you're
a grandma. I'm already in the grave at the top

(50:42):
of the coffin. Okay, like, no, it wasn't wasn't intent
on Colton season that. I think she was my age
that got called the grandma. Yeah, the girl host crying
in the closet, Elie, oh Tracy her. Yeah, I related
hard to her, did you No? No, no, I loved it.
I wore it. I was like, I'm the mom of
the house. Um, so what's next for you, Tasha? Um? Honestly,

(51:06):
right now, I'm just I'm working that. I also, I'm traveling,
I'm living with my I'm doing stuff with my family.
I don't know. I'm just living life good as you should,
surrounding yourself with love, light, people who feel the same
way about you, who know you, who get you. One
more question before we go. I'm a big New Year's
Eve person. Yeah, it's my favorite. I love Halloween too. Well,

(51:28):
let me back it up, my birthday it's my favorite holiday.
Then I love Halloween, but New Year's Eve is my
favorite favorite holiday. There is just something about I am
one of those people who really buys into the it's
a fresh star. Things are starting new my planner, Yeah,
like I need to be surrounded with the right people
and bring this in the right way. So twenty twenties

(51:49):
coming up, do you have any personal goals that you're
setting for yourself going into the new year. Oh, that's
a good question, to be quite honest with you. I
have nothing planned, not even for the next week. Maybe'
well maybe March could be your busy time because it's
when about short starts. Oh my gosh, I'm all for it, Tasia,

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But no, seriously, maybe maybe the plan is having no plan, right,
like I taking everything day by day, step by step
and just seeing what happens and what comes into your life.
To be honest, it's like the first time in a
long time, I can't even tell you how long in
my twenties that I like have like no agenda and
I just focus on you. And I think that's when
the best things come, is when you are settled and

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good with yourself and not like dead set on any
certain thing, because that's that's over possible, I mean possible,
But do you and I think good things will come.
I just want to be ready. You know you are ready.
You just put it. I'm put it out there, say
I'm say say it with us you're ready, he's ready. Okay,
you guys can't see this when we're giving each other

(52:53):
high pod but not actually connecting, because we are filming
a podcast and the sound would not be great. But listen, Taitia,
come from two former bachelrettes. You've already heard Becca say it,
and I seconded it if we were if this was
a real meeting and I could sec at the motion.
We both think that you'd be fantastic bachelorettes. So we're
putting it out there for you. Um, would you say
yes if they ask you? Yeah? Took too long? Respond Yeah.

(53:19):
Make sure y'all cut out that pause. Okay, let's just
cut out that those two seconds east, but well worth
it's worth it, and just think of it as you're
in control. I remember I tweeted that for you backa.
I was like, Becca, you were in control. I think
I used some corny, like some corny oh yeah, the

(53:43):
mansion doing all that. Yes, I was like, why do
I have over here in dubie and Rachel's like over
in my private parts, like let's get this right. Hey,
it works, She's right, it did work. Well. We are teams, hey,
show we are team you. We are supporting you. We're
putting all positive energy your way. I know think great
things going to happen for you. Absolutely, so thank you
so much for being here and a part of the

(54:04):
Bachelor Happy Hour podcast next week. You guys, we have
the man, the myth, the legend, Nil Lane. I think
about him every day because I think about him when
I look at my finger. It's giving me three rings
on my finger. And also, of course I have to
have another bachelorette here who has also been graced with
a beautiful piece of Nil Lane jewelry on her finger.
The fabulous Beck is going to be coming back and

(54:24):
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and everything else that nil Lane has going on. He's
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