Episode 318

When 27-year-old Jamie Haggard vanished from her Kenmore, WA home in June 2016, she was just another name added to the long list of missing people in King County. Eventually, weeks turned into months. After several dead ends, sifting suspects, and body parts kept turning up across Northern Washington, identifying who these victims were proved to be much more difficult than investigators could have ever imagined…

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have something to say, and I hope you'll indulge
me for a minute. After the tragic and horrifying events
of last week, I wanted to give up. I feel
as though I'm such a bad communicator and so bad
at my job, my only job, that I end up

(00:25):
arguing with my audience on social media rather than convincing
them of my points here on my program. But after
a lot of self reflection, a lot of what I
guess they would call soul searching, and the love and
support of those closest to me, I've come to realize

(00:47):
that this is just the beginning, not the end. Evil
flourishes in darkness and complacency. There is more work to
be done, there's more truth to be spread, And if

(01:08):
I'm not equipped to effectively do my job, then I
simply need to work harder and get better at it.
So here's a little bit of truth for you. Here's
the hot take I've come up with. If you celebrate

(01:29):
the murder of someone simply because they have different beliefs
than you, simply because of their words, simply because they
hurt your feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Then you.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Are the problem. You are the monster. Period. There's no
logical reason why that should need to be said. Sword
and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and it is

(02:03):
not intended for all audiences.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Listener discretion is advised. Can deny and deny and deny,
and then but in the in the end, out you
guess you're saying, you guys know something I don't know.
I mean, she's dead.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well, we do know a lot of things about her
reading because she's there as the way that she's no
longer with us.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's mid twenty sixteen in Seattle, Washington. The sun hangs
lazily in the afternoon sky, but a stubborn layer of
fog still clings to the top of the trees. The
Central District is starting to wind down after another Monday.
Fairy horns blaze faintly in the distance as commuters pull

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into their driveways. Tucked away in one of the city's
oldest neighborhoods, one resident on twenty first Avenue has traveled
more than most. After returning home from an out of
state work trip, he steps out of his car and
exhales a sigh of relief, right before noticing that his
trash bins are out by the curb. Eugh with a

(04:05):
pin in the ass. It's one last chore before he
can go inside and relax. He walks over and reaches
for the recycling bind and starts to pull it towards
his house, but immediately stops. It's heavy, and all of
a sudden, he's annoyed. The city must have skipped over
his house while he was away. I'll tell you he

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just can't find good help these days. When he lifts
the blue lid, he only becomes even more frustrated. Peering
down into the trash can, he sees that there's three
landscape sized trash bags stuffed inside. They didn't even bother
to put it in the right bin. He reaches inside
for the top bag, but when he tries to pull

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it out, the tie snaps, causing the barrel to topple
over onto his lawn. Talk about annoying. As he rounds
the front of the bin, his breath catches, and then
he sees it something that can't be mistaken for anything
but a female's foot lying in his driveway. Snahomish County, Washington,

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is located less than twenty miles north of Seattle. It's
the kind of place where you'd expect life to be quiet,
forested back roads, small towns, that sort of thing. But
like anywhere else, this area of the Pacific Northwest has
seen its fair share of let's say darkness. Unsolved murders

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and a growing list of people who vanished here have
certainly made this region appear a little less pretty. In
June twenty sixteen, that list of missing people got just
a little bit bigger when a twenty seven year old
mother named Jamie Haggard mysteriously disappeared without a trace.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
It just seems very unusual that she's Nobody has heard
from her for so long.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
It's not like her at all.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
The last time anyone saw Jamie was on June ninth,
twenty sixteen. The next morning, she was scheduled to pick
up her boyfriend from jail. He was said to be
released on misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately for him, he wouldn't be
getting out as early as he thought. He was forced
to find another ride home. When Jamie never showed, I fear.

Speaker 7 (06:52):
The most at somebody.

Speaker 8 (06:55):
Hurt her.

Speaker 9 (07:00):
She doesn't deserve that. She has two little girls, friend,
she is a failing.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
When word inevitably reached Jamie's friends and family, they started
calling and texting her phone, but received no answer. When
days turned into a week and they still hadn't heard
from her, Jamie's father finally decided to take the short
drive over to her home in the town of Kenmore.
That was on June seventeenth. Jamie's dad knocked on the

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front door, but no one answered. When he felt he
had waited long enough, he picked up the phone and
called the King County Sheriff's Office to report her missing.

Speaker 10 (07:42):
We think it's suspicious for a number of reasons. First,
her family says that she usually contacts her mom at
least every other day and they have a conversation. Additionally,
she hasn't used her cell phone since she's been reported missing.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
What was even more suspicious was that even though Jamie
was reported missing in late June, the public wasn't made
aware of her disappearance until nearly a month later.

Speaker 11 (08:05):
Now, we asked the sheriff's office why it's taken a
month to get this missing person's case out to the public,
and they tell us they were hoping that in the
meantime she would surface, but without any leaves there now
turning to the public for help.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
During an early interview with a local news outlet. Jamie's
cousin told reporters that despite their concerns, the family was
still hopeful that Jamie would make a safer turn. I
really hope that.

Speaker 9 (08:31):
With all this, hopefully we'll get a phone call from her.

Speaker 7 (08:33):
Saying, hey, I'm fine.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
You guys can relax. I hope.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So when police attempted a welfare check, the home was vacant.
What they did notice, though, was a large pile of
dirt in the front yard. When authorities walked around the back,
they located a massive hole dug in the yard that
had been recently filled in. Because they didn't have a warrant,

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police left any answers. In the days that followed, rumors
started to circulate online. Jamie's sister received several messages on
Facebook from people who claimed to see Jamie alive walking
around downtown Kenmore. After following up on these potential sightings,
driving countless hours throughout northern Washington and traveling as far

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as the Canadian border, her family came up empty handed
each time. Unfortunately, as we mentioned earlier, Snohomish County isn't
exactly foreign to folks falling off the face of the earth.
It's practically the edge, So if you wanted to make
someone disappear, this was the place as far as missing

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persons go. Dating back to the nineteen sixties, the local
sheriff's office has faced the daunting task of investigating over
sixty five unsolved homicides. To generate leads on such cases,
investigators decided to implement a technique that was previously successful
over three thousand miles away on the East Coast, which,

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believe it or not, was a set of playing cards.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
The hope is.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Too illicit new chips be in the population because, as
we know, and they tried to talk about each other's crime,
some kind of bag about each other's crime as today
playing cards.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
In two thousand and five, a special agent with the
Florida Department of Law Enforcement came up with the idea
of printing playing cards that showcased all the people that
were missing in the Sunshine State. Interesting collectible for my murderatorium. Ooh,
can you imagine a sword and scale museum with a

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murder themed lounge, murder docs playing all day with murder
themed drinks, and maybe a murder cafe gift shop. Anybody
out there with a lot of money to burn and
background in hospitality, hit me up anyway. Ultimately, Nahomish County
followed suit years later and created a card game of

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its own. In two thousand and eight, authorities in Washington
State distributed these cards to inmates and local jails and prisons.
Anyone who happened to come back with information leading to
an arrest or a conviction in these cold cases was
promised a one thousand dollars cash reward. A card game
that actually makes your money take that vegas. Eventually, the

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playing card technique was adopted by law enforcement agencies nationwide
because it seemed to be working.

Speaker 12 (11:45):
It's a deck of cards that will soon be in
every Idaho prison and most county jails. On each card
a different cold case, whether it be a wanted person,
a missing person, or an unsolved murder.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
The car cards generated an impressive amount of tips throughout
the US. This unorthodox marketing gimmick actually worked, and you
imagine that it helped resolve three cold cases in Snohomish
County alone. Unfortunately, Jamies was not one of them. As
creative as the idea was, her face never earned a

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spot on the deck of cards, which only led her
loved ones to question the efforts of local law enforcement.
As they often do, authorities kept their cards close to
the vest. Sorry for the pun. Jamie's family was rightfully concerned,
though she was a nurse who rarely misswork and had
two kids who meant the world to her. While the

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worry and frustration of her loved ones grew day by day,
that didn't mean investigators didn't already have a person or
persons of interest in the case. You see, long before
Jamie went missing, she had her fair share of problems.
In addition to having a criminal for a boyfriend, she
hung around with some other very let's say, ced characters,

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and one of those men was a guy named Jason Nolty.

Speaker 9 (13:14):
Can you just say your full name for the recorder?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Jason Todd Malty, okay, and Jason is okay, and I'm
recording this, okay.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Jason Nolty was good friends with Jamie's half brother David Haggard,
with all three living under the same roof. When investigators
followed up on Jason, they learned he had just recently
gotten out of jail, coincidentally for an incident involving Jamie.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
I mean, I was ben here probably a month. I
was introduced from a friend to David. They don't real
live or anything. And a couple of weeks have gone by,
and did you have asked me for a place to
stay just for a little bit? I can fall No.
Why did you keep telling him no? Because he's no job.

(14:02):
He didn't have nothing, so basically for free please wasn't productive?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, And.

Speaker 9 (14:09):
He got to he finally got a job. He asked
me again. I said, look, I'll help you out for
a month. And then you know all they say every month,
you know, they pay me no rent. He's here maybe
two days, loses his job and I go home from
work one day and he's got his girlfriend. Here's his girlfriend, Carly,

(14:31):
same one we talked about it.

Speaker 13 (14:32):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (14:34):
A couple days later it was his sister Jamie. You
know she's living there. And when was this she started
living here? Probably like May? Yeah, I know, May yeah,
probably May, I guess.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Jason tends to mumble and shoot gump, so if you
didn't catch that. He told investigators that he was the
origin a tenant of the Kenmore home. Then came David,
who was down on his luck and allowed to move
in temporarily while he got back on his feet. A
few months later, David's sister, Jamie, moved in that May.

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Less than one month after that, Jamie vanished, never to
be seen again. From the very start of the interview,
police were suspicious of Jason. He'd been arrested for domestic
violence several times in the past, which certainly wasn't doing
him any favors. Even though he was locked up at

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the time Jamie went missing, they had a feeling he
knew a lot more than he was letting on. According
to him, this whole ordeal started in early June when
David and Jamie started arguing constantly. One day it was
fighting about the roommates stealing from each other, and the
next it was disputes over who was supposed to be

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living there in the first place. While Jason had trouble
remembering certain details, he told investigators that days before Jamie
went missing, she and David got into a physical altercation
in the garage, where David allegedly knocked her unconscious. What
a gentleman. The police were never called, but when Jamie

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came to she left the home and told several of
her friends what happened. In the hours that she was away,
Jamie texted David, called him a worthless piece of shit,
and told him to go fuck himself. Jason claimed that
this only infuriated David further, but went on to suggest
that someone else might be involved.

Speaker 9 (16:40):
Let me ask you this. You guys know who Scott is, well,
I don't know what Scott's last name up? Barnes, Scott Barnes,
and why do you bring him up?

Speaker 6 (16:51):
What's your gut?

Speaker 7 (16:52):
Tell you?

Speaker 9 (16:54):
I'm gonna tell me Scott did it. Scott did something
to her. Okay, how come you didn't call me with that.

Speaker 7 (17:00):
You've told me that you told you David.

Speaker 9 (17:02):
Did it, well until me and James sat down and
talked to him, right, Okay, I don't know. I think
I think they both did something. I think they both
know something. That's what I think because of the comments
that Scott had made to me one night.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Scott Barnes was another one of Jason and David's piece
of shit friends, a criminal and self proclaimed Hell's Angel
known to hang out at the ken Moore home. Seems
like garbage attracts more garbage. Apparently, Jamie's brother, David told
Scott that he wanted to kill her following the incident

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in the garage, and depending on who you ask, Scott
supported the idea. According to Jason, Scott relayed this comment
to him, who, in turn told investigators during the police interview.
Hours after Jamie was knocked unconscious in her garage, he
returned home. When David awoke on the morning of June

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nath he was enraged. According to Jason, that is not
wanting to get involved. Jason said he left the home
only to receive a text message from Jamie's phone. A
few hours later.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
I got a text message picture message Jamie tied up
in the tub, tied up, you know, with a caption
says I gotta say I did it. I finally did
to say I can't remember. I'm like, but I did
what you wanted, or I did I can't remember exactly
what It said something I did what you wanted and
now look at her, or something was like what this

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is from Jamie's number? Is from Jamie's phone.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Investigators chose not to interrupt him during his interview. I mean,
after all, when someone's burying themselves, let them do it.
And they did notice a potential slip up when he
said that the text message read quote I did what
you wanted hmm interesting, going by his version of events,

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After receiving the photo of Jamie tied up in the bathtub,
Jason called police. All authorities were en route to the home.
David called another friend who answered the phone to hear
Jamie's screaming in the background. Meanwhile, David laughed and called
his sister a bitch repeatedly, according to what this friend

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told police, he tried to calm David down and asked
if he should come over and help diffuse the situation.
David allegedly responded by stating that it wouldn't be necessary
and that he had quote never been more focused in
his life, whatever the fuck that meant. Minutes later, officers

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arrived at Jamie's door. When they tried to contact her,
she wasn't bound and didn't appear to have any visible injuries.
They only spoke with her briefly, but Jamie assured the
officers that she was fine, so they left less than
an hour later. And that's how it always goes with
these sort of situations. It's never just one phone call.

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Jason arrives back home and the police are called again,
this time by David. According to Jason, David knew he
had an outstanding warrant for an unrelated twenty fourteen incident
in which she allegedly tried to murder his ex girlfriend
with a hatchet. Yep, yeah yeah, So naturally, David was

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pissed that Jason called the cops on him, so to
get back at him, he called the police in retaliation,
like it's a fucking game. When police arrived for their
second visit that day, Jamie was in much worse shape
than she was before. She was in hysterics and had
fresh marks on her face, neck, and arms. Jamie's injuries

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were photographed, and pictures were taken of each room of
their home. Jason swore up and down that he never
put his hands on Jamie, but when police took her aside,
she told him that he was the one who had
attacked her, not David.

Speaker 9 (21:16):
I don't touch her, you know. So she gave a
statement saying you beat her. I guess, I don't know exactly.
I was told that they both gave statements that I
beat her.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Now, I'm not a polygraph machine, but clearly someone here
is lying. As a result of the bathtub incident, Jason
was taken into custody.

Speaker 9 (21:35):
Only the rest of me. I've never seen her again.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
According to another witness, Jamie then left the home in
Jason' z accurra and drove to a friend's house, where
she spent the night. While there, she called her boyfriend
in jail. Now here's where it gets confusing. On the
recorded line, Jamie told her boyfriend what happened back at
the house, but never mentioned Jason's name. Instead, she said

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that it was David who punched her in the face.
So she told police one thing and then told her
boyfriend something else. He said that David had hit her
as hard as he could in the stomach and that
he'd tried to kill her. Why Jamie provided contradicting statements
to police and her boyfriend is unclear, but more than

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likely she was scared. During the jail house call, her
boyfriend pleaded with her not to return to the Kenmore house.
When she woke up at a friend's house the next morning,
on June ninth, she called her boyfriend again. During that call,
she told him she was going anyway and planned to
kick David out for good. As for Jason, he wasn't

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being ruled out just yet. Perhaps his only benefit was
that he was locked up hours before Jamie disappeared, and
wasn't released until late June. He was also somewhat cooperative
with police, and told detectives that David had mentioned his
inability to pass a lie detector test. Weird, and Dave

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told you.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
He wasn't gonna pass a polygraph.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Told investigators, then asked what was up with the hole
in the backyard?

Speaker 7 (23:20):
How much of the backyard was dug out other than
that hole?

Speaker 9 (23:23):
Look, okay, I dug.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
If that mountain front you told me about. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 9 (23:30):
I have no idea where the dirt came from. He
had no machines, and it's crazy. Yeah, I have no
idea why why that's that was done? At the same
time the bag was filled in.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Jason elaborated that he dug the hole in an attempt
to fix a broken septic, but when he returned home
from jail, Jamie was gone and the hole had been
filled in.

Speaker 9 (23:56):
Look under Look underneath the shed too, of the shed,
looking under the shed too. For some reason, I don't know,
has that come up in a conversation? And you know,
if I heard something, nothing, But now it's not the
time to say, oh nothing, Just right right.

Speaker 7 (24:14):
Might be nothing, but if you heard it doesn't mean
that it's true. But you're living here.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
The day he was released, Jason said police were already
at the house looking for Jamie. David and his girlfriend
were there, who, Jason claimed, stole some rather interesting items
that belonged to him.

Speaker 9 (24:34):
Got inside. All my stuff was gone pretty much. I
mean I have my TV still, I have my video games.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
But what was missing?

Speaker 9 (24:42):
Okay, by DVR, I have a DVR for my security system.
It's gone. All my camera's still there, but my DVR
is gone. Have you heard what happened to you? Piss
me off? My DVR is gone. All my clothes are gone.
A bunch of my child. I mean, I know what
he did since I was a jail. He went through
my shit, took my shit and sold. Yeah, I made money.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I am Nearly all of Jason's things were gone, not
just his home security system, but his clothes, suitcase, and
even his bed sheets were missing. After about an hour
of speaking with him, Jason gave authorities consent to search
the property. As for David, he had a checkered past

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of his own. The now forty two year old had
been in and out of jail since he was a juvenile.
Dating back to nineteen ninety five, David managed to rack
up charges including grand theft, auto burglary, and many many
more things. David's troubles with the law started to ramp
up a year before Jamie disappeared. In twenty fifteen, David

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was arrested for unlawful possession of two firearms during a
traffic stop. He was pulled over for driving a stolen vehicle.
When police searched the car, they found a forty four
magnum revolver and a pump action shotgun. As a result,
he served twelve months in prison and was released around

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the time he moved into the Kenmore home. With that
being said, there was much more evidence authorities had already
obtained concerning the potential link between David and his sister
Jamie's disappearance, information that investigators weren't willing to reveal until
they got a chance to speak with David themselves. In

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early June of twenty sixteen, twenty seven year old Jamie
Haggard mysteriously vanished from her home in Kenmore, Washington, when
she failed to pick up her boyfriend from jail on
Friday the tenth, phone calls and texts went unanswered. A
week later, her father visited the home she shared with
several others, but found no trace of Jamie. After reporting

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her missing on June seventeenth, the police search for a
young mother came off as an inconvenience more than a
priority to Jamie's loved ones. Days quickly turned to weeks,
until nearly a month later, when authorities finally acknowledged her
disappearance publicly without the family's knowledge. Investigators had been actively

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gathering information behind the scenes. An early interview with Jamie's
roommate Jason Nolty ultimately painted a dark picture that curiously
lacked critical details. Fights, tensions, and violence were just a
few of the red flags. Early on, one name came
to mind out of the mouths of nearly every person

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in Jamie's circle, and it made it hard for investigators
to ignore it. That name was David Haggard, her own brother.
Shortly after his so called friend Jason threw him under
the bus, David was brought in for questioning. While he
sat across from three detectives in an interrogation room at

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the King's County Sheriff's Department. He was asked to take
a polygraph without a lawyer present. David agreed, but in retrospect,
maybe he shouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
So I went through my charge. He didn't pass your festiday. Okay,
this is what my computer was. So mean that.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Means probable deception, in the meaning that there's indications that
you're not being truthful with us.

Speaker 9 (29:09):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
David can be seen in the CCTV footage struggling to
comprehend how he failed his polygraph. You could almost see
the gears turning in his dumb head. He doesn't appear
to be reading the graph on the page in front
of him as much as he is thinking of what
to say next.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I don't know you do you know her?

Speaker 5 (29:30):
But I know men in your delusion that have been
under suspicion due to circumstances.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
We deny and deny and deny, and then but in
the in the end, one or the other and doing.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You know, let's just say it's the legal side of
this thing. What's the crime of disposing of woman? That
ods gross? Mystermeanors? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
So I'm telling you that because I don't want you
or anybody else. When we figured out about a no
need ath and.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Gods panicked and got running. The body is she's saying,
she did you know something I don't know? I mean
she did.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Well, we do know a lot of things about her
eight years because she's the West way that she's no
longer with us.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Now, what would lead authorities to think such a thing.
Surely Jamie's home life was extremely toxic, but maybe she
just needed some time to cool off and get away
from all the drama.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
To be clear, we were still working this case as
though she could still be alive. It was a too
pronged approach. So one approach was, Okay, if she's deceased,
we need to find her remains. If she's alive, we
need to find her.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
According to David, the last time he saw Jamie was
on June ninth, when she allegedly walked out of their
home and got into a car with a Mexican man.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
You're going to go through this, man. I have nothing
to do with my sister, nothing to do with her disappearing.
That's whatever, man. I love her, Yet I don't know
where she's at.

Speaker 9 (31:12):
I don't know where she's at.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't know what the last six months and vistles
taking on with going brown people. I don't know the
messines that she's been hanging out with. I don't know
any of that ship the last two months. I fucking
turn her off pretty much. Your house, No, Is your
phone at your house? No.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
David, who's obviously racist, claimed to have no idea where
Jamie or her phone was. Whether he was telling the
truth or not didn't really matter, since the investigators were
currently filing subpoenas for the phone records of various individuals,
they'd find out soon enough, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
One of the things that we're doing today is we certainly.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Search for ones on a variety of phone companies, including
your phone, the Gene's home, cleaning some other people's homes
will The reason I say this thing is going to be.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Done today in Salt today, So we're going to know
where she's at today.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
We have to clear the people around her from suspicion,
and you're, unfortunately very just got to clear.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
According to David, he left a short time after Jamie did,
but when he came home, he noticed a fire smoldering
in a burn pit in their backyard.

Speaker 14 (32:26):
When I got home, there was a fire outside of
the Sidergrass store. It was was it was put out.
It wasn't told you what I was just smoke home.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
You understand it. That raised SUSPICI in me. I didn't
know what that was about.

Speaker 14 (32:42):
I've been thinking about that ever since this fucking investigation
started taking out. Other than that, I don't know anything
else because it was just just, yes, you guys thinking
about that backyard and about why we bury her. You
know very well be bury burn there. You know.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
It's just it's just weird. I'm gonna see that. Something
I should say to you. Most guys would have was
starting to burn file. But yeah, you know you are
your burn next to the house. You're your burn next
to the house. Are you seeing this is something different? Yeah? Totally.
Five guys said he was in.

Speaker 14 (33:14):
It was in that hole that we have for the
subject has been messed up, Eric, So we tell out
the transplant.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
That's how the whole you aready tore up to begin with.
There's a setting was fucked up.

Speaker 14 (33:24):
Sir, Yeah, Sue fucked up, stuck up. So I got there,
you know, Like I said, it was just it was weird.
Probably showed up right after me and I even say,
it's under her, you know, like this was she burning
right next the house for it? You know, justcause you know,
you know you didn't think, you know, tell whose fire was.
I thought it was James thought Jamie that's fire?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Was that?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
The day the last time, well, David admitted to filling
the hole. You seem to have trouble answering whether he
or Jamie lit the fire. The kind of a weird
thing to not remember, huh. The more detectives asked about it,
the more upset he became.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm telling you right now, I don't know where my
sister is. If I did, I would tell you, I
would tell you that she dd in front of me.
I would tell you. I don't know. I don't know.
Did she had to go fighting with her on the
last time you saw her the dough the day before.
We were fighting in physical No, not any more than

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noes that mean, I mean, I mean yeah, I mean
it was forgetting. It was just go at first, but
I mean I was just getting to the truth of
the matter. I mean I was just I was, you know,
on to her. But it was nothing.

Speaker 14 (34:41):
There was no fucking violntary. Then the costs came there,
I know, the costs checked her out, and I was
fucking clear. I didn't do anything to her. Twenty four
hours later though, twenty four hours there, she wasn't at home.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
She was gone all night.

Speaker 9 (34:54):
She's gone all night.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I guess we'll find out when we get the former
ends today. Yeah, well she yeah you will, We'll find
that out.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Without being asked, David decides to bring up the bathroom
incident himself, where he allegedly attacked Jamie and tied her
up in the tub. If you hadn't already guessed, his
story was much different than his buddy Jason's. David goes
on to tell detectives how his sister tried to kill
herself that day before she went missing by swallowing a

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bunch of pills. Allegedly, the cops.

Speaker 14 (35:29):
Don and at this time, I'm, you know, my sisters,
she's in the bout the whole time, I'm thinking that
she's taking a bunch of pills. And I know she
I don't know what pills she takes, right, I know
she gets gnarly fucking stuff, so I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
You know, I went from rage dampethe here.

Speaker 14 (35:45):
And and of course I an't call the cops and
sure cal cops with and I get her to fucking
throw over if there any of the savorye want to
see my feorit bt a little.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Sisters and buy my finger offtion.

Speaker 15 (35:56):
She's mad at me. You know, I'm thinking, uh, I
guess especially she said no, I'll throw up. You know,
I was gonna take her to the front in the
toower and get her in the shower. I'm on the
point of currently and King County sheriffs or the shrifts.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Are walking up.

Speaker 14 (36:08):
So I go back to the bathroom and at this time,
the bathroom door is now open anymore, it's it's partially shut.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I opened the door. Now here's a girl that was
supposed to he took a bunch of pills, was laying
in there, entered fully closed.

Speaker 14 (36:24):
At one point the toe was filling up and I
had and I realized that the you know, the little
stopper that stops the water was up, and you know,
I put it down, and you know it slapped her
on her arms and not on my watch.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
James, you know you can fucking you better stay with me.
You know what the fuck is?

Speaker 5 (36:37):
You know.

Speaker 14 (36:39):
So when they came in, they said, we got an
anonymous call that enoymous person received the text message.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
The only one I said to text message too was
Jason backs up my Theeriya.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
They're playing fucking games here, he's playing it.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
He's a manipular here.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Notice how he doesn't bring up the photo of Jamie
tied up in the bathtub, and detectives don't bother to ask.
Speaking of suicide, they were curious about a note they'd
come across during one of their earlier visits to the home.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
So Mike Honer just texted me this picture of a
note that he rapped on the garage through his girlfriend.
It's a suicide note in my reading of it, he said.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
The suicide note, made out to David's girlfriend, Carly, was
written days before Jamie vanished. Police had already learned that
on June sixth, one of his closest friends found him
in the garage with a chain wrapped around his neck.
Aside from his sister going missing, David had plenty to
be depressed about. I mean, by all accounts, his life

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was pretty much shit. Maybe the suicide note meant nothing,
but at the very least it certainly indicated the poor
headspace David was in leading up to Jamie's disappearance. Meanwhile,
Detective Kathleen Decker and the Major Crimes Unit were already
inside the home searching for clues.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
I think he may have put her potentially in the
crawl space. We didn't find any evidence of that, but
if she was wrapped, we wouldn't have found any evidence
of that. We did have two HRD dogs work that property,
and both dogs, independent of each other, did have a
behavior change at that CROs space point. In the bedroom.

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We also had a mattress leaning up against the wall
there that had some pinpoint drops of blood on it,
which may have been what caused the dogs to react
the way they did.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Kathleen Decker was brought on the case early on, originally
cutting her teeth as a homicide detective. She later became
an expert tracker and processor of outdoor crime scenes.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
That's actually the reason I was brought into the Jamie
Haggard case to begin with was because of my familiarity
with search and rescue resources and my familiarity with the process,
so how you organize and coordinate and get a team
together to do a search. And that is why I

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was asked to participate and help Detective Bartlett, who was
the lead detective at the time that that Jamie went missing.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
In her thirty four years plus with the King's County
Sheriff's Office, she earned her reputation by helping solve some
of Washington's most high profile cold cases. In other words,
if anyone was going to find out what happened to Jamie,
it was her. After failing to find any substantial evidence
inside the ken Moore home, Kathleen directed her team's efforts

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outside as they prepared to escavate the backyard.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
In fact, that's why we're all out. We're going to
be checking out.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Let's tell you equipment we're going to be doing with
the batter dogs we're going to we're going to be
covering that base today. And if she is found out
there somebody that's explained to do you know you're not
under arrest, right, I haven't done anything. Do you understand
you're not under arrest? I hope you're right it I

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wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
But in the end, if she's somewhere because she laded,
I would assume that it is fun to You've got
the message and you need to talk. Does she die
under other circumstances, will come out.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
When David asked for a lawyer. Technically that's it interview over,
at least it should have been. But he keeps talking,
and just like his buddy Jason did, he mentions the
name Scott Barnes.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
We got other teams doing other things, but you don't
tell me the story about Scott.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Your suspicions Scott taking her reason because he's like for
admitted that he does. Yes, yes he should. I think.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
They were already looking into Scott, but fact that his
name came up certainly raised a few eyebrows. Despite what
they suggest to David, authorities have no proof that Jamie's
debt to make matters worse. The only thing clear was
that David, Jason, and Scott were all liars.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
It really was difficult for us as we're trying to
push this forward, dealing with people that by nature, line
is so normal to them that it just happens. And
so a lot of what you hear isn't factual. A
lot of it might be lore, a lot of it
is rumor speculation. So you have to really sort through

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all of that to get at what is truth and
what is what's factual.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
During this period, bodies turning up left and right across
all of northern Washington, and a lot of them were women.
After a severed foot was found inside a recycling bin
in Seattle, authorities arrived to find even more body parts
in the remaining trash backs, including an arm, a leg,
another foot, and a woman's head. About a week later,

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additional remains were discovered in a different trash can nearby.

Speaker 16 (42:28):
We are confident that it is connected to last week's
homicide investigation, which was only about three blocks away from
where we're standing right now.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
The autopsy suggested that the woman was somewhere in her
late twenties to early forties. Eventually she was identified as
a local nurse and young mother, but it wasn't who
you think in this case.

Speaker 17 (42:53):
Forty year old Ingrid Line was lost, a mother of three,
a nurse at Swedish First Hill. She was orted missing
Saturday in Renton, almost exactly two months before Jamie vanished.
The body parts found inside the trash cans were confirmed
to be those of forty year old Ingrid Lynn of Renton, Washington. Luckily,

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for David, Ingrid's killer, a man she met online, was
already in custody. Still, the similarities between Ingrid and Jamie
were chilling. If nothing else, it spoke to the dangers
women in this area were facing at the time. During
David's interrogation, detectives decided to push a little harder. They

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brought up a few other cases, specifically two women found
stuffed inside suitcases the year before Jesus Man.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Last year we found two fucking people in suitcases because
of their friends, panicked, didn't know to fucking do with
bodies and flowing the chicks up in suitcases and dumblums
cause any you know what I'm saying, just fucking deal it.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Authorities had no reason to believe these cases were connected,
but they did offer their theory on what they thought
it happened to Jamie's right.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I mean, it's really only two scenarios. You know, beat
someone as likely that house somebody freaked out.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
And handing the right or h somebody beat the fuck
out of her and kill her. Whether that happened to
your house or not, I don't know.

Speaker 18 (44:29):
I'm just gonna figure out out, and in the end,
I am You're just you're not passing the polygraph, the
simplest holograph we could design for a man like you.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
In your position one that you absolutely should pass it.
I don't want a lawyer. I don't want to talk
about player anymore. Okay, let's talk about you if you
want to. You long to be done.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
They didn't have enough to hold them, and after asking
for an attorney a second time, the interview was forced
to end while heavy machinery dug up the soil at
his residence a few miles away. David was ordered to
stay away from the Kenmore property for the next several days.
Kathleen and her team comb through piles of burnt trash

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and debris, searching for any shred of evidence that might
lead them to Jamie.

Speaker 19 (45:26):
Tonight, King County detectives are continuing to look for a
missing Kenmore mother of two. Twenty seven year old Jamie Haggard,
disappeared around June eighth, and they are calling it suspicious.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
The Major Crimes Unit worked day and night at the
Kenmore home, using their back host to tear up every
square inch of earth, but after days of relentless excavation,
the only thing they turned up was a pair of
burnt construction coveralls reaking of diesel fuel, which efforts.

Speaker 7 (46:00):
Really didn't produce. A whole lot of clues or information
that was going to be terribly helpful. The burned clothing
was certainly odd at the time that we found it,
we didn't know what to make of it, and that
diesel smell was interesting, so we just we took those
items as evidence because they did not fit. There was

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no readily explainable reason for them to be there, so
we seize those as evidence. We took photographs and just
kind of noted it.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
When the scene was finally cleared, David was allowed to
move back into the home. As investigators widened their search
across both Snah mission King County, tips from the local
community started pouring in.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
So we spent a lot of time following up on tips.
People who saw someone who looked like Jamie they thought
it was Jamie seen at this place. At this time,
there were a lot of rumors and amongst the people
that she associated with as to what had happened to her. Hey,

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I heard a rumor that she was cut up in
a chipper. Hey I heard a rumor that she was
thrown in the river. Hey I heard. So we had
to follow up on all of these as best as
we could to determine if there was any validity to them. Meanwhile,
we're also conducting numerous searches trying to find her if

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in fact she was deceased.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Investigators chased down all these leads but found nothing.

Speaker 19 (47:35):
So this week they searched in and all around Arlington
after getting several tips that she was spotted there, but
detectives say it wasn't her. So they are asking everyone
to be on the lookout. And while it's great that
a lot of people have been sharing her photos on Facebook,
detectives are asking you to call nine to one one
or crime stoppers if you have any real information. There's

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been a whole lot of time tracking down rumors instead
of dealing with actual facts and people they can interview now.
Last Friday, deputy searched her property, but they came up empty,
even using a back hoe to sift through the piles
of trash in the backyard of the home and are
recently filled in whole as well.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
When the phone records finally came back, authorities learning that
on June ninth, twenty sixteen, at one h five pm,
David's girlfriend received a text from Jamie. It was aggressive,
demanding that David leave the house before the weekend was
over and that it better be clean before he was gone.
The tone was completely out of character for Jamie and

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even stranger. The text misspelled David's girlfriend's name. When authorities
brought David's girlfriend in for questioning, she revealed that at
around eight forty five on the morning of June ninth,
Jamie walked through the door of the Kenmore home and
confronted her and David. According to her statements to police,

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Jamie's creamed at David told him things were going to
be different than that he should either get out of
her way or quote get on down the road. David's
girlfriend also explained that she left the home a short
time later to drive her child to school, leaving Jamie
and David alone in the house and piecing together their timeline,

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investigators also learned that Jamie called her boyfriend in jail
at nine thirty two am that same morning. The call
lasted roughly fifteen minutes, where Jamie was heard finalizing her
plans to pick him up the following afternoon. That was
the last time he heard from her. From the time

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she spoke with her boyfriend to the time David's girlfriend
received the text message, there's over three and a half
hours of radio silence from Jamie's end. When David's girlfriend
returned to the home at around one thirty pm, Jamie
was gone and David was in the backyard.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
We received information from David's girlfriend, Carly, that she had
come home and found David out in the back burning
something or doing something with fire in the area where
we had found those burn clothes, so that kind of fit.
We still didn't really know what that meant, and today

(50:26):
I don't even really know what that was all about.
But I believe it is important, it's related, it's relevant.
I just don't know how it fits in the puzzle.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
When David's girlfriend approached him by the burn pit, she
told police that he said Jamie started the fire right
before she walked out the door and left with the
unidentified Mexican man. David's story would later change all together
by allegedly telling other witnesses that there was no Mexican man,

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and instead Jamie walked off on foot on Jude ninth,
never to be seen again.

Speaker 7 (51:03):
There was some inconsistent statements that David had made about
when he had last seen Jamie. He just seemed to
be a little bit of all over the place, and
it was really David's just inability to keep his story
straight that caused David the most problems.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
As for the fire, this wasn't something Jamie was known
to do let alone in the middle of the day.
Something else that stuck out as strange to David's girlfriend
were the items Jamie left behind.

Speaker 7 (51:36):
He had left behind some personal effects that most people
went leave behind her. It was like a purse. There
was a phone, her prescription medications, those kinds of things.
It just seemed odd that she would not be coming
back for those items, and so that peaked our interest.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
David's girlfriend recalled seeing Jamie's phone on the kitchen counter,
but by the time police finally searched the home, it
was no longer there. Weeks later, on June twenty third,
Jamie's sister also received a strange message. The person on
the other end claimed to be Jamie, stating that she
was fine and just needed some time to figure things out.

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But the message wasn't sent from Jamie's phone. Instead, it
came from Jason Nolty's device. It was still behind bars. Weird.
Jamie's sister wanted to believe it was her, while her
family continued searching. Jamie's father posted videos to his Facebook
daily pleading with his daughter to come home.

Speaker 9 (52:43):
Send here to the.

Speaker 13 (52:44):
Desk, drinking a little glass whiskey, had a nice dinner, missus, Jamie.
I love you.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
The clip shows Jamie's father watching an old Western with
the caption that reads doors Unlocked Jamie Honey. Unbeknownst to
Jamie's loved ones in the general public, evidence was still surfacing,
most of which pointed to none other than David. A

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friend of his girlfriend eventually came forward and told investigators
that on June ninth or tenth, she witnessed David at
a car wash in a nearby town of Woodinville, driving
Jason nolt Zakura and with him in the car was
his buddy Scott Barnes. Meanwhile, Jamie's father continued to show

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up for his daughter, holding her missing person's flyer up
for the local media cameras whenever he had a chance.

Speaker 13 (53:48):
I will find you, Jamie. I love you.

Speaker 9 (53:50):
That is coming and I'll never stop.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Weeks turned into months, headlines of Jamie's disappearance became few
and far back between, the public interest in Jamie's case
inevitably dwindled and was soon overshadowed by the hot new
whatever it is in the news, probably some local broadcaster
bitching about Trump anyway. Roughly one year after she was

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last seen, authorities were able to secure a second warrant
to search Jamie's property, and in May of twenty seventeen,
the yard at the Kenmore home was dug up once again.
This time they focused on a few areas left untouched
during the initial search, a narrow patch of dirt near

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the back fence. Shovels hit earth. Cadaver dog circled the
perimeter while a back hoe tore into the ground. Then
a hard clunk, the machine jolts to a stop, and
investigators exchanged glances. The operator stepped down to join Kathleen

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and her crew standing at the edge of what's buried
beneath the surface. Jamie Haggard's disappearance in June twenty sixteen

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left more questions than answers. When she failed to pick
up her boyfriend from jail, her family knew something was wrong.
Investigator zeroed in on three men, Jamie's roommate Jason, who
was known to be violent towards women, a local biker
named Scott, and Jamie's half brother David. All three had

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been on law enforcement's radar long before Jamie vanished. All
their stories were filled with bigger holes than there were
in the backyard, the only common thread being their willingness
to point the finger at each other. There's no honor
amongst thieves, they say, burn pits and ditches. Dug for

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a do it yourself sewage repairer quickly became the focus
of the search. All that was found was a pair
of men's coveralls, burnt and reeking of diesel. When the
excavator's buckets struck something. During their second search, they found
nothing but planks of wood and an old TV buried

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in the dirt. Who the hell burries a TV in
the dirt? The fuck is wrong with these people?

Speaker 20 (56:49):
Who hopes that maybe they would find her somewhere in
there and that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Meanwhile, Jason Nolty, Scott Barnes, and David Haggard remained suspects,
but without a body, law enforcement's hands were tied, so.

Speaker 7 (57:05):
We would constantly offer up opportunities for David to meet
with us, to have conversations, to have phone calls. Sometimes
he would engage at other times he would not.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
For nearly two years, the investigation went nowhere except in circles,
and the case lingered in limbo. That is, until one
Sunday morning in May of twenty eighteen. It was the
morning of May ninth, and along the desolate stretch of

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road that makes up Route five twenty two, a team
of four city workers had just started their normal trash
cleanup along the interstate in Stahomish County, Washington. After hopping
out of their van, the group starts jabbing at the
earth with their litter pickers and grabbing claws to gather
fast food wrappers, another debris strewn across the freeway. What

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are these assholes that tossed their burger wrappers out the window?
Seriously get some fucking manners anyway. After making their way
south through the shoulder of downs road, the workers eventually
spread apart to cover more ground. As one man makes
his way to a nearby field, he notices a small

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carry on suitcase resting in a patch of overgrown grass
at around seven fifteen am. After hauling a few discarded
tires nearby, he reaches down to pick it up, and
to his surprise, it's heavier than he expects. Still, he
manages to drag it roughly ten feet to the roadside

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and leaves it by the guard rail.

Speaker 8 (58:48):
It wasn't put in a billion I just left it
out there. I don't want to touch it, no particular reason.
I just didn't carry it on.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
After about two more hours of cleaning, the crew hurl
what they think are the last bits of trash bags
into the trailer. By now a few of the crew
members had already gotten back into the van ready to
head to their next location, but before they did, the
man remembers he'd forgotten one last piece, that old suitcase.

Speaker 8 (59:20):
I noticed the luggage was pretty heavy, and I had
my picker, little picker, and I kind of disturbed it,
and as.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I picked it up, it just ripped the part.

Speaker 8 (59:33):
It just clicked into my head that something was wrong
there because of the amount of work that was involved
into packaging or whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
It was in there. I immediately got on my radio and.

Speaker 8 (59:45):
Contacted my lead driver and I said to her, I
really hope this is now what I think it is,
but I think this is a body of side of this.
She goes, you gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
After radioing his supervisor. The man crouches down to the
bag again, and his curiosity gets the better of him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I opened it up, and I saw the hair, and
I said, go a prep something smiles in there.

Speaker 8 (01:00:14):
I ripped it apart, just to see, you know, hoping
to see a carcase of a deer or something, possibly
a dog. And I opened it some more and we
left it alone and called the sheriff department.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
After nearly vomiting from the stench, the worker runs to
the van, where he joins the rest of the crew
while they wait for the police to arrive. Within minutes,
the area was swarmed with Sheriff's deputies. Once the perimeter
was secured, they made their way towards a suitcase and
started peeling back the layers. The first was a black

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trash bag with a distinct blue plastic tie. Inside it
was commercial grade construction wrap, and final layer was a
burnt red bed sheet partially stained with blood. It's at
this point that authorities know this is no dead dog. Instead,

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they're looking at a pile of human bones inside the back.

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
At the point that I learned about this, I just
knew it was Jamie. I just knew it was her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Whoever this person was. It was obvious they'd been out
there for a while, but preliminarily making an identification seems impossible,
not only because they'd been subjected to the elements for
what appeared to be months, if not years, but the
skull and other various body parts were missing.

Speaker 7 (01:01:42):
I believe that there were parts of her hands and
feet that were missing. She had been dismembered, she had
been burned. There may have been some disarticulation that occurred
to just naturally from the decomposition process.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Also in the suitcase, where several pieces of melted hard
plastic along with a necklace attached to a small round pendant.
Once the remains were transported to the medical examiner's office,
the autopsy results didn't yield much information aside from what
investigators already knew. Only from a partial pelvic bone were

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they able to eventually determine the gender. While the female
Jane Doe had an age range of twenty four to
forty four years old, it was still a great deal
of work to.

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Be done, so we basically had to peel back everything
and look at every single thing that we could determine
if it had any forensic value. Could we get anything
from any of this Fingerprints were going to be out
because of kind of how it was all compressed, and

(01:02:53):
it was just a mucky mess. We talked about DNA extraction.
There was human hair, Could we get DNA from the hare?
So we had discussions about that. It was the site
of the best opportunity for DNA is going to be
just bone extraction from the femur that was in the suitcase,
which is what we ultimately ended up doing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
DNA testing would take several more weeks. While waiting for
the results, Kathleen Decker revisited the evidence locker several times.
After laying out the burnt items on a stainless steel table,
she placed a series of photographs next to them, searching
for any clue that she may have missed. In one

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police photo taken during the domestic incident the day before
Jamie vanished, she's seen wearing a pendant necklace. In another
taken inside Jason's room, were red bed sheets seen covering
his mattress. After comparing the images to the items found

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in the suitcase, they appeared to be a match, but
because they were so damaged, investigators had no way to
be sure. In cases like this, DNA is everything, and
the bone fragment analysis was their last hope. When the
results were finally returned, they confirmed the grim truth. Jamie

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did leave her home, but only after she was murdered, dismembered, considerated,
stuffed in a suitcase, and left to rot by the
interstate who details today we learned the remains of a
missing mother identified yesterday were found inside a suitcase. When
Jamie's remains were positively identified in July of twenty eighteen,

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you would think that's it case closed. Authorities had their suspects,
surely they had enough to charge at least one of
them with murder. Right, Well, not really. Even though Jamie
he was the confirmed victim of a brutal homicide, investigators
still had a pretty hefty burden of proof to overcome. Luckily,

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for Jason Noulty, he was behind bars at the time
Jamie was last seen, But did he help facilitate a
plot to kill her before he was locked up.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
We told Jason right from the get go that the
best thing that ever happened to him was the fact
that he went to jail for a crime he didn't commit.
On June twenty sixteen, because He literally was physically incapable
of having killed Jamie. He was in jail.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Okay, fine, But what about Scott Barnes, the Hell's Angel,
the one everyone keeps mentioning Allegedly he was in favor
of getting rid of Jamie before he and David were
seen scrubbing down the Accura at the car wash. Were
all three guilty or did David act alone Scott Barnes?

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
Yeah, he was definitely a character to be concerned with,
in part because David was saying, hey, Scott did it. Well, okay,
that's great, but we need a little bit more information.
Why do you say that, you know, give us something
besides the fact that Scott's a bad dude that is
crazy violent. You know, I need more than that. So

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we were always open to that being a possibility, and
we had to try to eliminate Scott as best we could.
And the only way you can really do that is
through interviews, you know, potentially polygraphs, those kinds of things,
and evidence. I mean, is there any physical evidence to
link Scott Barnes to Jamie's murder? And there there really

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wasn't that. You know, everything kept coming back to David
and the Ken Moore House.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Something else investigators were forced to consider were the ongoing
statements from Jamie's own family, her sister in particular, outwardly
to belief that David had nothing to do with it. Sure,
he had a long rap sheet and short views, but
so did all his friends. He and Jamie also had
repeated arguments and sometimes physical altercations about their living situation,

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But according to the victim's sister, that didn't mean that
he killed Jamie. In her eyes, David was a good
man and a good brother, despite his troubled past. Let's
face it, no one wants to believe that a family
member could kill one of their own. Denial is more
than just a river in Egypt. It's one hell of

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a drug. But despite the incriminating text messages, the red
bed sheets, the fires and all the other stuff, all
this evidence was circumstantial. Unfortunately, when someone turns up dead,
it doesn't matter what you think you know. What matters
is what you can prove in court. If this case

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was ever going to be solved, investigators had to get creative,
not by playing a missing person's card game, but by
finding something concrete, something substantial. They had to fight fire
with fire.

Speaker 20 (01:08:15):
This is a horrible case. I mean, Jamie was very tragic.
She had two daughters, and you know, as a family
that cares a lot about her, So something like this
is heartbreaking and you know, to get a little bit
of closure to find at least her remains. But we
still have a lot of work to do because we
still need to find out who's responsible for this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Unable to charge David with murder, investigators started looking at
some of the other crimes he was suspected of committing.
About four months before Jamie went missing, on February of
twenty sixteen, he allegedly broke into a mobile home in
the town of Duval that stole a refrigerator in other appliances.
Later that same day, he returned to the mobile home,

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crawled underneath the trailer, and let two cushions on fire,
causing it to burned to the ground. Then, just days
before Jamie vanished, David was suspected of another fire. On
June fifth, he allegedly broke into a construction yard where
he and Jamie's father worked in the nearby town of Woodenville.

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According to Jamie's father, David had easy access to heavy
machinery there, but also materials like commercial grade construction wrap
for example, you know the kind that Jamie's body was
found in in the suitcase. During this incident, he allegedly
used a one hundred and forty thousand dollars forklift to

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steal a commercial welder by loading it on the back
of his truck. He then proceeded to dump gasoline into
the forklift's cab before setting it a blaze. Ultimately, David's
girlfriend and his roommate Jason, both rotted him out to police,
claiming David bragged to them about the fires, but he

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was never charged in Washington. Imagine that. Not long after
Jamie's remains were identified, investigators received another tip, this time
from David's uncle. According to him, the same day Jamie
went missing, David called him and said he was hiding
out in an abandoned barn. When investigators revisited the area

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where Jamie's remains were found, they noticed a dilapidated barn
less than one hundred yards away. After combing through the
abandoned structure, they found another burnt site, a melted gas canister,
and a black trash bag with blue plastic ties consistent
with the one they found in the suitcase. These were

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all pieces of a much larger puzzle, but so much
time had already passed. The longer investigators waited, the more
time David and his friends had to potentially destroy more evidence.
Not willing to let that happen, Kathleen Decker submitted her
probable cause affid David, and in October of twenty eighteen,

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David was arrested for arson. Roughly one year later, right
before he was set to be released, his charges were
upgraded to second degree murder.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Today, prosecutors charged Jamie's older brother, David, with her murder.
They say the siblings, who lived together, had a history
of violence. Twice police dug up the yard at the
home they shared searching for clues. After her disappearance, Friends
and roommates say David threatened to kill Jamie and beat
her up repeatedly, at one point hitting her hard enough

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to knock her out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
It took roughly three years to charge Jamie's half brother
with murder, but a charge doesn't always mean a conviction.
In the meantime, authorities were forced to explain why the
hell their investigation took so long.

Speaker 20 (01:11:57):
All the witnesses were very suspicious of David, but we
had to get to a point where we actually had
problem cause to make to feel that he was actually
responsible for the murder.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Although a trial date had been set and David was
behind bars, investigators were far from finished building their case.
Over a year later, in December of twenty nineteen, Kathleen
Decker made one last visit to the evidence locker. She
wasn't interested in bed sheets. Instead, she wanted another look

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at the burnt plastic fragments found in the suitcase. Early on,
investigators suspected that these may have been pieces of a
cell phone, but it was so badly damaged they assumed
it was useless. That's when Kathleen spotted something. A tiny
section of what looked like a melted motherboard fused into

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a piece of shrapnel.

Speaker 7 (01:12:54):
So we were steinied for a little bit of time
until we were able to identify someone through the fbi
I that was able to provide us that ability, and
we were really happy when we heard that there was
someone out there in the world that could potentially do
something with this, and that was huge when that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Roughly three years after Jamie's disappearance, the destroyed plastic was
finally set to the forensic experts at Quantico, Virginia. Even
the technicians working for the FBI characterized this as one
of the most damaged phones they'd ever seen. Somehow, after
months of trying, they successfully extracted some data. In April

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twenty nineteen, the recovered contents were handed back to investigators
in Washington with confirmation that it was in fact Jamie's phone,
and buried within a cash of binary code was a
voice memo, but it wasn't Jamie. Instead, a voice recorded

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on her device was a man's later determined to be
her half brother, David. Not only that, but the voice
memo was an exact replica of the text message sent
to David's girlfriend from Jamie's device on June ninth, but

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instead it was an audio form. The timestamps were also
a match. Investigators theorized that David must have used the
speech to text function to compose the message and accidentally
saved an audio version while pretending to be Jamie, who

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by that point was already dead. A selfie was also
recovered from the device. It was a photo of David
with his eyes wide, pupils dilated, and sweat dripping from
his forehead. Investigator's reference wooden beams in the background of
the image, verifying that the photo was taken inside the

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Kenmore home, possibly minutes after Jamie was killed. The data
recovered from Jamie's phone, combined with all the other evidence
that took years to piece together, finally gave prosecutors the
confidence to bring their case to court. At his trial

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in September of twenty twenty two, the state laid out
the brutal details of Jamie's death, how she was likely beaten, dismembered, burned,
stuffed into a suitcase, and dumped on the side of
the road. Forensic analysis linked the red bed sheets from

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the suitcase to Jason Nolty's bed. Witness testimony placed David
at the car wash scrubbing down the Acura following Jamie's disappearance.
Text messages and recovered voice memos captured David's voice. All
of this was crucial in court. Despite all the evidence,

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there was no smoking gun, there was no murder weapon. Still,
Kathleen Decker, who had worked for years on this case,
was confident that the jury would make the right decision.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
I felt really solid about this case, and I trusted
that our justice system was going to work. I trusted
that the jury was going to hear the facts that
they needed to hear to come to the right conclusion.
So I didn't feel like he was going to get
away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I don't know why.

Speaker 7 (01:16:42):
I just felt like, No, we did our job. We
worked really hard. This is going to come out the
way it's supposed to come out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Her intuition was right, and after weeks of testimony, David
Haggard was found guilty of second degree murder. Head of sentencing,
Jamie's family members provided victim impact statements. Her sister, who
wanted desperately to believe David all along, expressed how Jamie's

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children would not only grow up without a mother, but
without their uncle as well.

Speaker 21 (01:17:19):
You might not think that this is fair, but it's
not fair for Maddie and Dilley either. They missed their mom.
They don't even remember the things I remember. It's not
fair that my kids don't grow up get to grow
up with their aunt Jamie or their uncle Davy. It's
not fair their choices, these choices to our whole family apart.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Oh, did you think this case was going to be
wrapped up neatly? What do you think this is forensic files.
Forty eight year old David was later sentenced to fifteen
years in prison, the punishment that Jamie's family said would
never truly bring them closure. Jamie Haggard's case was filled
with dead ends and frustrating false life. It took over

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six years to go to trial, but that doesn't mean
everyone involved face consequences. Despite their proximity to this case,
Jason Maulty and Scott Barnes were never charged with a crime.
Justice is a real elusive bitch. Sometimes justice is like
that ex that dumped you after saying she loved you

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and then ghosts you, and that's it. There's nothing else
you can do.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Justice is a real cut Now, that doesn't.

Speaker 7 (01:18:33):
Mean that there isn't out there someone else who had involvement.
I'm not gonna say that David is solely involved and responsible.
It's possible there might be others out there. We were
never able to make a case strong enough to charge
anyone else, and of course David was never able to

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give us any information beyond well, Scott did it, okay, Well,
why are you saying, give me something I can work with,
something that's tangible. And he never was able to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
There's definitely more to the story than what we know.
There's other chapters that we haven't yet addressed or figured out.
And let me also say, to this day, and we
don't know where her head is. Her head was not
in the suitcase, so that is somewhere out there. I
hope and pray that at some point and someday we
will have that recovered. Is it's important for the family

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to have all of her back and maybe at some
point we'll we'll get that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Before we let Kathleen go, we wanted to know what
she thought happened that Jamie. Her personal theory never reached
the media, nor was it present in court, but in
terms of motive, it might just be even more disgusting
than the murder and dismemberment itself.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
So we had.

Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
Information from one of Jamie's friends that Jamie had been
raped by David, and we knew David had raped Carly
before she disclosed that to us. So we had reason
to believe that Jamie and David had an incestuous relationship
and that that had been going on for several years.
He was very jealous of her, jealous of any boyfriends

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that she had, which is why I think that argument
probably happened on the ninth. There's no doubt that there
is that relationship going on between the two of them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Bet you didn't see that one coming. Forensic files, eat
your heart out.

Speaker 7 (01:20:33):
So I think probably what happened is that David and
Jamie got into another argument. We know she'd been on
the phone with her boyfriend who was in jail due
to get out, and that she was supposed to pick
him up, that she was going to move him into
the Kenmore house. So I think that David may have
sexually assaulted Jamie. I think that during that that he

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strangled her. I think that after he ended up killing her,
he may have panicked a little bit because he would
have known that Carly was due home. Carly had left
that morning to drop off her child at school, because
it was eight thirty ish in the morning, and Carly
was due back home noon ish, and Carly was delayed

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coming home because she had stopped at a store on
the way home. So I think what he did at
that point was somehow wrapped the body up in the
sheet that he got off of Jason's bed. I think
cutting her up was probably just ease of transport. That's
typically why we see somebody utilize this memberment. It just
makes it easier for transportation. So I think that's probably

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why he did that put her in the suitcase. I
think the suitcase came from the house there in ken Moore.
And would it surprise me to learn later on that
Scott had not only knowledge, but participated in some way,
shape or form before the fact, or in the factor
after the fact. No, it wouldn't. I don't know if
we ever will get to that point. But that's still

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another mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Jesus Christ, how's that for an ending violent offenders? Habitual
lies and incest of all things, or just a few
of the potential factors that make Jamie's murder a mysterious
one almost nine years later? These back road country white
folk or something else, I'll tell you. I mean, I

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do love cracker Barrel, But damn, like Kathleen said, we
might never actually find out what really happened to Jamie
that day. Still you have to wonder did justice really prevail?

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Is this case just another reminder that some people are
better at getting away with murder than others. Either way,
it sure does make you look at this case a
little differently when you remember what David.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Said, I have nothing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Yet, ew ew ew gross. Well that's gonna do it.
I gotta go watch some cartoons. This episode was written

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and produced by Mike Dunfie. If you like what we
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Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
The closed the Fauna