April 17, 2024 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, here we go. Playoffs. I'm in earnest. It's
the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making as part of your day.
It's my favorite, one of my favorite times of the year.
Playoffs start about ten days later the NFL Draft. We
got two, three, four or five six weeks here fantastic basketball. Now,
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Boston's probably gonna run through the East like a like
a hot knife through very warm butter. That I suspect
will happen. The Knick's wonderful story is a better story
than a team. But out west, here comes Sacramento. Okay,
see Minnesota, Denver Lakers. Interesting teams.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, just remember a heat sixers tonight, right, and the
loser potentially is the eight seed. You think Jimmy Butler
scared of Boston. You think Joel EMBII doesn't want the
smoke from the South.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
They led them.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know, is Boston saying, come on, Miamila.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
You should hit up your boy Bill Simmons.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I wonder if he's kind of getting nervous because Boston
was amazing this season, and if they stumble in Game
one or two against Miami or Philly, it's like, oh my.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Gosh, here we go again, choke City.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, if I was the Celtics, I'd rather face Philadelphia
because I think Miami's history giant killers in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, they got a lot of injuries Miami.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I don't think Miami's gonna spread his five tonight six
Ers favored by five, big number, and the action for you,
I'm on the Hawks and either two.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I thought the Warriors would rally. So I thought the
Warriors would win last night, but then they couldn't beat
the Pelicans or the Lakers, and they get back, you know,
so I thought last night they'd summon like one more
great game. That was my guest. I guess wrong. So,
by the way, Klay Thompson, what to do with Clay Thompson.
So I was looking at these numbers. He had a
very good April. So his last three months he averaged
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sixteen in February eighteen, in March twenty three. In April,
my theory was is that Steve Kerr and Steph were
running a lot of the offense through Clay Thompson to
send a message to the owner, Joe Lacob. Look, he's valuable.
We need him because Kerr wants him, Stephan Draymond want him.
But the owner's got to write the check and Orlando
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may write a big one to get him. So here
was Steve Kerr. He was all for ten last night.
It didn't It was not the kind of night that
Klay Thompson needed fighting for his Warrior survival. But here
was the coach after.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Clay's presence means so much to the to the spacing
on the floor, to the flow of the offense. And
he's still got good, good years left. And I know
I speak for everybody in the organization. We want him back.
What Clay has meant to this franchise, as good as
he still is, we desperately want him back.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, I would take him back for the right number,
but it's a very team friendly number. Last year playoffs
he looked washed and last night, like couldn't get a shot.
So we all go to high school reunions. Everybody's happy.
There's going to be documentaries and cool statues. All these
guys are getting statues, but sometimes, Clay, you don't want
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to become a statue on the floor. So I don't
know what they do. Winning basketball games is a business.
This does not feel close to a run it back roster.
They can't win playing games. So here's Draymond echoing the
same sentiments on Clay Thompson.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I don't think there's any scenario where Clay Lee's and
that's the best decision for this team and organization. They've
shown nothing but respect, loyalty, love, trust us, So I
got no reason to go into it like, oh man,
they're not going to do right by Clay. They did
right by me. I have no reason to think that
our ownership group aren't going to take care of us
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the way we've taken care of this organization.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's interesting. Let's bring in Chris Mannick, Senior writer Sports Illustrated.
Can you tell me, I mean it doesn't feel like
a run it back roster. They also have the kid
they drafted from Santa Clara Pods who's got tons of energy.
He's not quite the refined product, but he's a good,
good player, high energy, great motor. Your takeaway and Klay Thompson,
what happens.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Yeah, it does not look like a run it back
roster because even though this team went twenty seven and
twelve down the stretch, they still finished the ten seed
and got creamed by a Kings team without Malik Monk
and without Kevin Herder. So the facts kind of speak
for themselves now. I talked to a couple of team
executives this morning about what they would offer Klay Thompson
in free agency, and their guest was somewhere between twenty
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and twenty five million million dollars per year over two
or a three year deal. They also guess that Klay
Thompson is going to be looking for significant scifically more
in that deal, so there's going to have to be
a reckoning, I think. In that Golden State front office,
Joe Lacob, the owner, has made it clear he wants
to take this team under the luxury tax next season.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
They spent three.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Hundred and eighty million dollars on salaries and tax penalties
this year. He wants to get them under the tax
that next season. That can begin with excising Chris Paul
from the roster, But it's going to lead to a
hard conversation with Klay Thomps when they say to him,
we think you're worth X. If you think you're worth
why go out there and see if it's out there
for you.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I get that, you know we were talking about. I
threw out my scenario the Clippers unravel against the Mavericks,
and Paul George is like, I'm a California guy. I
don't want to leave the state, but I'm over this,
I'm over hardened, I'm over Kawhi and that he moves
up north and then you can keep a lot of
your Moses Moody, Kaminga and frankly you give Lebron a
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call because Steph's timeline is probably three more great years.
But I do think Paul George is somebody. I mean,
he chose California. Is that crazy to think? Because if
you do that with Paul George and you move off
Chris Paul, you could keep a lot of the parts.
Otherwise what would they do.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Look, I don't know if the audience wants to be
bored with salary cap machinations, and exactly why things will
or won't work because of the first apron and the
second apron. Just to say, it would be exceedingly difficult,
if not impossible, for the Warriors to pull off a
deal that brings Paul George to Golden State. It would
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have to be presumably a sign and trade deal, maybe
Paul George opted it. There's just a lot of obstacle
standing in the way of Golden State, which is what
makes this situation that they're in so problematic. I mean,
they can rely on some organic growth next year. I
Thinkaminga is a star in waiting. I think he's going
to become and even better player next season. You mentioned,
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you know, Brandon Pazinski. He is someone that's going to
get better in a.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
More enhanced role.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
So even if Klay Thompson leaves as a free agent,
they can fill in some of those voids with the
players that they already have. But Colin, we're talking about
a team that has made championships, the bar four championships
during this era. There really is no scenario where you
can look at this Warriors team and say a tweak there,
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a twist there, and they are a championship content. That's
why I think this offseason is going to lead to
some very hard conversation that Warrior's front office about where
this team goes from here.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So Lebron is twelve and oh in his last twelve,
like Game seven's playing games in season tournament. He in
this roster. I said before is that if they were
a band, they could give you a great performance. But
they're not a world tour band. They're just Lebron's old
and AD's older than his age, and they don't have
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a lot of dependable parts. But you could get one
great night out of them. I think they match up
pretty well with Denver. Don't think they'll beat them, probably
get beaten five. What transpires in your opinion in that series.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Oh, Colin, I'm sitting here in Nick Wright's chair in
New York City, So I feel like I should be
infused with Lebron and Lakers optimism, but I'm just not
right now. I mean, you look at the most recent history,
a four game sweep in the conference finals last year.
The Nuggets went three to zero against the.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Lakers this season.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Yes, the margin of victory in those games was very tight.
The Lakers were not blown out and many of them.
So you have some reason to believe they'll be competitive
in this series. And I'm sure there's an argument to
be made that catching the Nuggets early might be better
for them than catching them late. But you can also
make the argument that the Nuggets are not exactly sleepwalking
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into the postseason. They won six of their last eight games,
and despite some of the adversity that they face during
this regular season, they still finished in a statistical tie
with Oklahoma City for the best record and a competitive
Western conference. So you really got a squint to look
for the Lakers pathway to victory, But I'll do it
for you if you want. The pathway to victory is
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D'Angelo Russell playing out.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Of his mind.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Di'angelo Russell after the All Star Break average about twenty
points per game, shot forty one percent from three.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Those are excellent numbers.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
You saw him down the stretch against the Pelicans last
night making a key three pointer. They need the DiAngelo
Russell that played the second half of this season, played
in the play and has played in for a lot
of his time with the Lakers to show up in
this series and not be the Di'angelo Russell that was
virtually unplayable in that series against Denver. The Nuggets just
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played D'Angelo Russell right off the floor, and if he
is that same player, this series is going to be
over very quickly.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So let's go to the East. Miami and Philly play.
Boston will be favored over both, but I would rather
face Philly, even though I'd have to face embiid. I
don't want to face Spolst Butler. I just I'd like
to get out of that. There are these weird teams
and sports that just rise and they're just a pain.
(10:16):
I don't want to face Spolstra, Jimmy Bam, I don't
want to. But as somebody that covers the Celtics or
either of those teams capable of pushing Boston and making
them a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Yeah, I think Miami is the team the Celtics would
most likely like to avoid. Even though the Heat are
probably a weaker version of the team we saw last year,
They're still Miami, They're still brilliantly coached, They've still got
a great closer in Jimmy Butler, and Celtics historically, at
least over the last ten years, have really played well
against the seventy six ers. Al Horford plays really well
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against jowellen Beats. That's probably the matchup that they would
prefer in the first round. But any first round matchup
for the Celtics right now is a little bit concerning
because the Celtics they haven't played like a meaningful game
since ash Wednesday. I mean, they have been basically just
sleepwalking through the last month, month and a half of
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the regular season. I was at the game last week
against the Knicks, a meaningful game kind of for both teams.
The Celtics suited up their starters, the Knicks suited up
their best players, and the Knicks just kicked the crap
out of them. So the question of whether or not
the Celtic's gonna be sharp, having another week off, having
not played meaningful games in a while, going up against
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the potentially sharp or you're in focused Miamia Philadelphia team,
that is a cause for concern. Early in that series,
watch that Game one for the Boston Celtics. They lose
that game, There're gonna be some alarm bells going off
in Boston.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So sometimes this happens Chris, where a story is better
than a team, And I think that's the Knicks. Julius
Randal gets hurt more of the offense right Brunson, and
he's terrific. He's the best quarterback in New York, including
Aaron Rodgers and Daniel Jones. I love him outside of Ewing.
I think he's my favorite, you know, Knicks guy since
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maybe I don't know Allen's Houston or a Walt Fraser, whatever,
But I think the story is better than reality when
he's off the floor. It's not a highly functional offense,
and I think they're gonna get doused in the first
round and then I think they're gonna go big game
hunting Karl Anthony Town something like that. Give me your
thoughts on the Knicks, the future, the now. I just
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there's not enough offense here to me to win a
playoff series?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Is there?
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I think there's enough offense to win a first round series.
Is there enough offense to beat a Milwaukee team in
the second round? Is there enough offense to beat the
Celtics in the conference finals. That's very much an open question. Look,
I had many questions about the Knicks even before this
Julius Randlem his injury because the history of the Knick
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stars in the near playoff past has not.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Been very good.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Julius Randall has been great during the regular season the
Knicks have made the playoffs, he has been categorically awful
in the postseasons. Now, Jalen Brunson wasn't bad in the
playoffs last year, but you look at the three point numbers.
He shot better than forty percent in the regular season.
He was around low thirties during the postseason. That's not
going to get it done in a postseason series. So
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when you go up against teams that have good defensive
players and good defensive coaches and they're able to dig
into one team with one really serious option, that's going
to make a Knicks DP playoff run, I think really problematic.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
All Right, you had you're an MVP voter. I didn't.
I would go Luka Jokic SGA, Jalen Brunson maybe a four,
I don't know, but I could argue both. But I
do think Luca really taking Kyrie to a place Lebron
did where basketball trump's everything. I think it's substantial because
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I think if you look at Lebron Kyrie and Boston
Kyrie and Brooklyn Kyrie pre Lebron and Cleveland it's not
the talent, it's you know, there's stuff, and I think
Lucas solved it, and that to me, if there's a
tie breaker, I think that's substantial.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
What was your vote? I like that normalizing.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Kyrie is kind of criteria for winning MVP.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Not not that I necessarily disagree with that.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
I mean, it clearly works between Kyrie and Luka Dancis,
but I use other criterias there call. I mean, look,
it was incredibly close between Yokich, Luca, and SGA, but
Shake Gildess Alexander got my MVP vote this year because look,
he took over and is the leader of the youngest
team in the NBA and the youngest team to.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Ever win the number one overall.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
See, this was a player that last year was on
a team that was a lottery team. Takes them all
the way to the number one seed. Put up the
kind of statistics offensively that we have not seen since
Michael Jordan's best seasons, since Steph Curry's MVP seasons.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And one of the more important.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Differentiators that I used for Shay Gildis Alexander is that
he is a two way player. He's top ten, top twelve,
in defensive win shares. You gotta go a little bit
further down to find Nicole Jokichen way further down to
find Luka Dancic, who is not a better than average
defensive player. So all three of these guys put up
great numbers. But Shay's team success on a team that
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was nowhere last year and the fact that I think
he's the best two way player.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Of the bunch that gave him a slight edge on
my ballot. I like it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
How about that, Ja Max? I like that. That's listen,
it's close. It's interesting. You can the argument value is
what are you doing? It's not a stat If it's
just scoring, Luca's gonna win a lot. So Yokich I
would make this argument, Chris that once you win the championship,
it's different front. You don't have that pressure. Lucas still
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faces that, right, Sga faces that, So Jokicic doesn't face
that like impending Jason Tatum now faces real pressure. Bro,
you got to get to the finals. This team is stacked.
So the argument, if you make that argument, it comes
down to Luca and Sga. Well, Luca has like a
guy that was a hit a bucket at a finals
guy and Kyrie SGA's got chet Holmdron. It's a prad
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so j Mack your reaction to that, that's interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I just don't see how you can put SGA on
Luca's level. Well as what you said, Chet Holmgan comes
in and they improved by fifteen twenty wins. Like Kyrie
Irving was there last year. They're better because Luca is
a better defensive player this year.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I think Chris would probably is SGA good defense? Just
does defense matter? But at all.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It does?
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Yes, I would say I would say defense matters, you know,
significantly the thunder Outside of rebounding, they're a near flawless team.
SGA is a big reason for that. I watched a
lot of Oakland's Homa City games this year. SJA is
often deployed on one of the better, if not the
best wing player on an opposing team.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
It helps has got lou Dort.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
There is a great defensive wing as well, but SGA
oftentimes plays against top offensive players. He also gets the
free throw line an absurd amount. His clutch numbers are ridiculous. Look,
this was the hardest MVP ballot I have filled out
in about fifteen to twenty years of doing it, because
all three guys you can make a compelling case for.
But I think Shay again being the two way player
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and having a team that, even by virtue of tiebreaker,
was the number one team in.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
The Western Conference. I think that means something.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
I think winning matters, and SGA's team won at a
high level this year.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
No, I think he's great. It's one of the better votes.
A lot of international guys and a lot of great players,
all of them certainly worthy of it. Chris Mannix is
always good talking to him A man, you got a call? Yeah, yeah,
I mean I think it's just one of those inches
not feet ears like that SGA. When you really think
about it, it's like I kind of had him third
because I'm like it is he as influential, But I
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mean their roster is interesting. It's just all kids. I
have said this multiple times. North Carolina's average age was
twenty two and a half. I think, Okayc's average age
is like just under twenty three. It's all kids, and
he's leading him to the number one seat in the
significantly better conference. Yeah, we acknowledge that it's the af
seed of the nf.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
T having is how why are they fifteen or whatever
wins better this? Why are they did they move up
from you know, potential team to number one seed? There's
one big difference on that team, and that's Chet Holmgren
is there, who impacts play at both ends. He played
in I think almost every game this season might have
been every game, Like, there's just not that much different
with Dallas except Lucas now defending.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
All you guys did was back on Luca. He doesn't defend.
He couldn't defend Jason McIntyre in Erect League.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Luca's come out and the numbers say he has been
a very very good defender. He's showing he's willing to
adapt and you know, become a guy who's not a
turnstile on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Remember that picture of Luke at once we thought it
was real where he was having a beer on a
playoff day, a smoke and a beer.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The internet, Well, you know these European guys, a big traveler.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You go to Europe, Dad, Hey listen, when you're fifteen sixteen,
you're having a glass of wine, uh and Italy with
your parents.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, you were knocking back two or three?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
No, no, nah, mom and dad. We had to sneak
it Milwaukee's best beast.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
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Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, the average age is of thunder of my staff
just looking up twenty three years of age, twenty three
point four. That's, by the way, NC State, Alabama, Purdue Yukon. Similarly,
you're talking twenty one, twenty two year old team. So
the fact that a number one seed is just crazy.
J Mack with a.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
News no, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
So Bill Belichick's stuff swirling around today very interesting, as
are now indicating Belichick has told people close to him
he has interest in coaching the Cowboys, Eagles, or Giants.
All three teams coaches could be on the hot seat
by Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
We don't know, obviously, we don't know how the season
is gonna shake out.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But Colin, it's interesting Belichick let the whole Apple series
come out. He let everybody kick him while he was down,
and now it feels like Belichick's kind of rising up
and maybe his side of the story.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, this story comes out on a day another story
comes out yep, where you know Atlanta, he wasn't one
of the top three choices. So this is Belichick getting
his people to defuse some of that negativity around him
on shows like This and others, get the word out
that Bill is very interesting. So what you're doing is,
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instead of on this news cycle being done dominated by Belichick,
wasn't top three, Bill's side leaks this and usurps it.
Now we start talking about this, Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
So we didn't get a chance to spa at all
over the earlier Belichick topic. I'm going to ask you,
do you believe that Craft sabotaged Bill with the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I think Bill sabotage Bill.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
But I mean by like, do you believe that Kraft said, Eh,
he can't be trusted and all this stuff that came
out in the article.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
If Andy Reid retired tomorrow, you couldn't do what you
did to Bill, because he gets along with people, he's collaborative,
he's fun, he's joyful. Bill's issues are Bill.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But according to Bill, No, not according to Bill Occurd
just sources in that story.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Bill told the Falcons. I'll be collaborative. I'll work with
the GM. I'll work with the front office.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
People didn't believe it because he's never done that in
his career. I mean, it's like if somebody told you, hey,
knew me albeit the gym every day and they're fifty
and they've never been to a gym, new lifestyle every day,
I'm going to be on the treadmill. You'd be a
little bit of a cynic.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
This is different.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Bill Belichick was run out of New England. It's you've
got to change. If you're not gonna change, you're not
getting a job. Are you gonna change?
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And it sounds like he told the Falcons I was.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I would say this, if you set the ground rules
with Bill, Bill, don't give me this parcels. I'm making
the food. I got it, Cheot. You are not drafting
the players. I'm not interested in that, but you coach them.
We have a GM in a scouting department. Your opinion
will not sway us at all. If I feel it,
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I'll run you out of the building. I would put
it in the contract. If you're not collaborative, I don't
want your drafts. Bill's last seven drafts when he got
power are awful?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
We know, yes, that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh that's kind of the league to get. And by
the way, you say he's interested in the Cowboys, Giants
and Eagles. Giants don't have their quarterback yet they may.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Draft they be the worst team in the league and
have a tough.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Now a worst team in the league. Well you're you're right,
it could be bad.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Give me their skillful decision play.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
First of all, if Bill sending out that he's interested
in coaching these his bill considering the Cowboys, Giants, and
Eagles have head.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Coaches, well, okay, let me just around.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Great form by Let's go back to that Falcons because
you said he didn't finish in the top three.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well that's what the reports are.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Why would the owner invite him and be hot to
be the first one to talk to him and then
not even have him finished.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
In the top three because thing clearly went down.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well, the owner invited him because Bill was on the market.
Nobody knew if he was going to get a job
or not. So Arthur Blank's like, get down here, let's
fly him in on my private jet. And then after
Bill leaves, you make calls and around the League.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, is it around the leagueers at Craft because Bellett,
by the way says for that story or.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Indicating Kraft put the kaibosh.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Well, Bill's story indicates that they didn't kill it, but
they didn't do him any favors. And they were candid
when asked about his nature of ruling with a thumb
that they felt like in I mean every book I've read,
you could go to Jeff Benedict's Ian O'Connor, Seth Wickersham,
every book you read on the Patriots says Bill was
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difficult with Craft. And I've said this on the show
for years. When you read those books, you can tell
that Craft in Belichick there's animosity. I mean Bill was
much more fun loving in his first five or six years.
He could be funny with the media, whether it's Spygate,
whatever it is. Bill got grumpy. Bill ruled with an
iron fist. He wasn't as collaborative at the end. I
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mean like he just shoot off the scouting department in January.
I was told by two people who had worked around
that organization. So I'm not anti Bill. I mean I
put Edelman on the show, Brady'll be on the show.
I was considered a patriot Homer forever. But when I
see old guys start ruling with an iron fist and
it doesn't end well, look in the mirror. Stop blaming people.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
So to wrap up with two questions, Who's coaching the
Cowboys in twenty twenty five? Belichick or Dion Sanders, Neither
McCarthy steak.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
There'll be an offensive coach Houston's offensive coordinator Bobby Slowan,
he'll get a look. We take him over Ben Johnson.
I think I think Jerry will hire somebody that excites
him and he's giving a break to coaching the Cowboys,
the biggest brand. Jerry likes to feel important with you.
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Mike McCartney was on the beach. Jason Garrett was like
his son. Who would have else would have hired Jason Garrett?
So Bill right, the only two times Jerry's had successful coaches,
Jimmy and Bill, they didn't need him, Okay, So Jason
Garrett kind of needed him. McCarthy kind of needed him.
The recent history is chan Gaily, Wade Phillips, kind of
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those kind of guys that you know Jerry. He hires
people like he's saving them or giving a once in
a lifetime opportunity. Jerry needs that, so it'll be somebody
like a Bobby Slowan.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Bobby Flow doesn't know a damn thing about developing a culture. Meanwhile,
Chick does and Dion does. That would be a great mistake. Finally,
I don't know if I can use you as a
reference going forward, the way you're taking craft side of here,
I don't think I could put you down when.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, once you get collaborative and that. Oh gotta work
well with Ryan on those hockey scores.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
What's hockey all right? Next subject, Patrick mahomes Colin. His
fame continues to rise. Obviously, three Super Bowl MVPs. He's
just collecting accolades left and right now. He has been
named one of the most influential people in the world
according to Time magazine, and he says he's not ready
to be anywhere near the goat status in.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
The quarter Brady's the goat. He is the most talented
quarterback I've seen. He's not the goat. A lot of
people are talented. It takes time. You gotta win things.
I mean, Michael Jordan walked into the NBA and was
dropping points on everybody. He couldn't get past the Michael
Jordan didn't just get talented. Wasn't just great when he
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beat the Celtics and the Pistons. He was great the
minute he walked in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So also, don't forget Mahomes lost a Super Bowl, so
he can't be ahead of Joe Montana.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
That's I'm making fun of the Michael Jordan fans into lebro.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well right now, I would say Brady's the goat. Montana
is probably along with Mahomes and that cat. Well, I mean,
Joe Montana's four for four MVPs. What do you mean
so a team sport? Come on, so it's basketball. Nobody
Jordan Pree pivot.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
That Joe Montana was an amazing quarterback in his time.
He played in the eighties. He wasn't playing in the fifties.
Not Ya Tittle. In his time, he was really.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Awesome, Yesta Deck.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
When was Montana playing for the Niners? Was it early nineties,
late eighties?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Eighties?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, but the football was this a lot of the
same things back then. He's not talking. We're not talking
Jerry West back in the early seventies. He was great
when that when the NBA Finals were on tape delay
after the eleven o'clock news.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
He's in all time.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Joe Montana is an all time great.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Note it's not a slight to say he's third all
time behind.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Well, he's four for four. How many is mahomes have?
He's three for three for three.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Out of four, lost one. Not good enough, don't be there.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
He just had eleven.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Again, that's the sixties when there were four teams.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now we're I'm saying, there's there's lines like to me,
the what did Montana play the.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Eighties is closer to the sixties than today is to
the eighties.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But I look at eighties sports as the real thing.
The seventies is different. Good, Okay, these guys were barely
using weights in baseball.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Guys are smoking cigarettes jon time in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I mean Len Dawson was out there knocking down the
pepsis and uh, you know, rockets at halftime. So Montana
played seventy nine to nineties, great years, mid eighties on.
That feels like a current player. Troy Aikman's a current player, yeah,
Bart Starr, I don't count sixties. The only old school
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quarterback that I think could play today and would great
was Roger Staubach. He was unbelievable. He was he was
twenty years before his time.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Parents weren't even in this country.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't think at that time anyway. So the whole
Montana thing, he's like a magic Johnson. He comes in
against Bill Walsh and then Jerry Rice John Taylor at Roger.
He's awesome, Dwight Clark. They had ridiculous teams.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Montana was Andy Reid, Travis Kelcey, Tyree Hill, Chris Jones,
Steve Spagnola, the Hunt family, Rnish Young GM in the sport.
I didn't have any support.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Now, the forty nine ers were like the glamour team
of the NFL in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, who do you think the glamour team right now
in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
And they're because that's because of Patrick Mahomes. Come on you,
you're not really doing this, are you you?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I don't think Andy Reid is in the argument for
the greatest coach in league because.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Of Patrick Mahomes. He gotta run out of Philly. Come on.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Belichick got run out of Cleveland before he got great.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
After for three years, Reid was in Philly for over
a decade.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And got to Super Bowls in five NFC Championship.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Didn't win it didn't think anyways Finals to gosh, that
was oddly heated. Clippers are playing the Mavericks Sunday in
a series that I can't wait for.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Kawhi has missed the last eight games due to knee inflammation.
Status for Gaybo is unclear.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Tyler has been cryptic about it, but then.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Colin out of the blue yesterday Kawhi Leonard taking the
last USA Basketball roster spot.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
What what? I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I like your suggestion, Zion. I mean, who would you
rather watch? I'd rather watch Zion in the Olympics. We
don't know if a load of this, We don't know if.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Is gonna be healthy in a week, a month with
who knows now? Zion obviously a little.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'm I'm I mean, Zion has had injury issues too,
but I love his game. Kawhi is good, but I'm
old box office.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
He's not Caitlin Clark, but he People are going to tune.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
In for Zion Zion at the Olympics. Yeah, I'd watch that.
Dusal Door will have no game plan to stop him none.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, No, I'm that By the way, that uh, we've
had some good what don't we have.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Another story on a guy in the NBA getting whacked.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Yeah, that's coming up. We're waiting some more details of
trickling out.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
A guy did get not whacked like mom whacked, but
he got a lifetime band.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
We'll talk about it later. It's not fully done the story.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, it's his career is full, his careers toast. Oh,
but we're waiting on one important time. I think it's
so funny that you literally look at Joe Montana.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And go pooh.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I mean, look at Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice. Yeah, and
he had to go through a cowboy dynasty.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
What cowboy dynasty was at?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You see who San Francisco beat in these great Super
Bowls and these great NFC championships. They were facing great.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Teams in the eighties. Yeah, I guess I gotta do
my mine. I thought the Cowboys were a jugger.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Not the one they were in the nineties. But I'm
saying what Danny White in the A.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I know some eighties, I know some eighties.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I'm not a seventies guy, but those Cowboys teams are
nothing compared to the nineties Cowboys team.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Come on, all right, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I mean, nobody does it on an island. So you
can argue that the Chiefs have a top three owner,
a top three GM, a top one coach, the best
tight end ever, the best defensive coordinator arguably in the league.
For a time, they had the fastest football player on
the planet. Don't tell me they haven't had Chris Jones.
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Is isn't he Now that Aaron Donald's out name a
defensive lineman, you take over Chris Jones. Huh?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Quinnin Williams of the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They may disband that thing after Aaron's podcast. It may
be better off to shipping them the UFL. All I'm
saying is you're saying they don't have best head coach,
best top coordinator, best GM, great ownership, a lot of support.
That's a good place to play too. You also got
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the wacky Raiders and mostly the goofy Chargers for most
of my life in those divisions. I mean, seriously, the
Chargers have been talented forever, but we keep waiting for
the Chargers. Harby think is gonna be the guy that's
like can you guys finally overachieve and then the Raiders
have been, you know, for twenty years, have been kind
of a grease fire. So I mean, there's there's there's
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been some benefit. And I love Mahomes, but you can't marginal.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Santana was a golden boy from Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Patrick Mahomes did even win a bowl game at Texas
Tech putting up indoor football numbers.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Come on, they don't play. It's a pillow fight in
the big game exactly. Montana played against Great Ohio State,
Michigan defenses. Your guys out there have pillow fight in Lubbock.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, Montana was like the chosen one, you know, like
that he.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Went in the third round. Yeah, he was chosen in.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
The third round.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I know.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Oh jeez, you're trying to marginalize Joe Montana. I'm not
doing that at all.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm just saying I don't think that you can accurately
compare the two because what Mahomes has done has been
more impressive that Joe Montana having a loaded Niners teaching you.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
You have Montana and Jeff Hostetler. A coin flip, it
would go either way.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Ket O'Brien, I like him too.
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
Shoe he Otani and the Dodgers. Coverage begins Saturday at
three Eastern on FS one.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Speaking of Otani, people are talking He's starting to hit
really well now. He just had an eight game hitting streak,
four home runs. He's on fire, and people are saying
he's unflappable. This guy, considering the controversy and the gambling
saga around him, he's unflappable. And I would say, don't
confuse unflappable with innocent. Is that there's not a lot
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of mobsters that live to be one hundred. Now, maybe
it's the sausage diet and the weaponry, but I would
say that when you're hiding secrets, it wears on you.
Clean living is a better life. It endures, and you
can compartmentalize secrets and bad actions, but it shows up
in stress and performance. And I think Otani's a victim.
I don't think he's caring any weight or hiding anything.
(36:07):
I think, if anything, it's embarrassing. And the moral of
the story is with money, trust, but verify. But I mean,
I said, from the very beginning, you're talking about somebody
from overseas, got eight bank accounts, had an interpreter thought
he was his friend. I've seen Billy Joel, Robert de Niro,
Kevin Garnett, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tim Duncan, countless pro athletes
(36:31):
get jobbed, by people with proximity, including agents, And here
was the Dodgers manager talking about Otani during this saga.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
He just he's very stoic. You know, he just don't
know his emotions.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
He just kind of comes in every day the same
and you never know if things are good or things
are bad.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
Or stuff on his mind.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
He just he's a pro. He just wants to play baseball.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Okay, a couple of NBA things. Zion Williamson, who walked
off the court not hobbled last night, is out for
Friday's playing elimination game against Sacramento. So I don't know
if there's ever been a guy drafted that was exactly
what we thought like Zion Williamson. I can remember when
he got drafted. I was told I worry about his
weight by NBA insiders. Weight and injuries will be an issue.
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But when he's in there, he'll be a freight training,
really hard to stop. And that's exactly what he's been.
He's been everything people thought he would be. Weight, struggles,
injured a lot, but man, if you watch that game
last night, there was no stopping him. He got forty
points then left the court. Nobody knows exactly why but
here it's kind of a hamstring thing, left hamstring. So
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he leaves. In terms of the Warriors, whose season ends
again third time in five years, they get eliminated from
the playoffs a couple of times in playing games. Let's start.
Let's start with Steph on Clay. Thompson's the loss in
Clay's future. You can never see us.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
So if you know not with those two guys, it's
understand this league changes and there's so many things that
go into it, and we're not gonna play forever. But
you know, we've experienced so much together and at the
end of the day, like again, I know they want
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to win. I know I want to win, and that's
all I wear.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's all.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Uh, that's all I'm worried about.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, players, coach want him back. Charles Barkley on TNT
about Clay's future with the Dubs.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
They're gonna have to make a hard decision on Clay.
Clay's not gonna get younger. Do you sign him for
three or four more years, which he won't. He's not
gonna get better. He gonna make less money, but he
ain't gonna get no better. Older people don't get the
sports ain't for old people. That's for young people.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
That's no disrespect.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
Plays a Hall of Famer, but he's lowered his number,
but he ain't. No, just because you lit his number
don't mean he gonna play better as he ages.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's a great way to put it. Sports is for
young people, it's not for old people. So what would
you do, J Mack? Would you sign him or not?
If he was willing to come off the bench and
take the best number available, he would take less than
the market bears, because somebody may overpay him.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Well, so let's say Orlando offers him twenty five a
year and he says, I'll take twenty from the Warriors. Yeah,
so hold on, let's just recap. The Warriors had the
most expensive payroll in NBA history and did not get
out of the play in colin They were a ten seed.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Why are you bringing him back? I think you got
to break up the band. I know it's tough.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I think so too.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Just remember, the best time to do a rebuild is
last year. That's the best time to do do not say.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Oh, give him one more chance.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I know Curry wants that, but you know what, like sorry, Bud,
and I'm the biggest Curry guy ever.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Like, I'm a huge fan. I just I don't think
you can do it. And now Wiggins, what can do
you get for Wiggins? Like, I'm not sure you can
get much for him.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Well, an awful season, yeah, I think that's done. But
I think the Chris Paul stuff's easy. The Wiggans stuff
is easy.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I think everybody is movable except Steph. And I wouldn't
want to move Draymond because I think Draymond is a
very unique catalyst. Offensively, He's a unique piece. He had
a great less several more.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Just remind me, why is Lebron or Giannis coming to
play with that whatever carcass.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Is of the old warriors of carcasses. That's I mean,
I just don't I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Giannis is on the oldest roster in the league, and
Lebron could be sitting there thinking d lo is what
he is. Austin Reeves is a four and a d
has been healthy for a year and a half and
that's not going to last. And I'm not sure. I
like Darvin Ham. I think oh I can get Steve Kerr,
Steph Curry and Draymond, Lebron loves all those guys. I'd
absolutely conced.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know who loved all that Kevin Durant loved Kyrie Irving.
How'd that work out?
Speaker 4 (40:55):
I don't know. I just comparing Lebron's not leaving LA.
Let's just be real. He ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It's a forty eight minute flight or something.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
He's not. He's not.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Are you sure?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Family positive?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
His sons. His son gets drafted and goes to Orlando.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Orlando's not taking Brownie, They're not.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
They're very interested.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Orlando is lovely this time of year.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
You know, it is about three weeks at time.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
I just don't know the NBA Playoffs because they're never there.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, No, they are. Yeah, this year I'm too.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I don't think it's crazy to suggest Lebron James has
always been a capitalist and an opportunist. If they get
if they get doused for the second year in a
row by Denver in four or five.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
At least they got to face Denver.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Oh gosh, what a Christmas present. Mat Hour three coming
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All right, here we go. Playoffs. I'm in earnest. It's
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It's my favorite, one of my favorite times of the year.
Playoffs start about ten days later the NFL Draft. We
got two, three, four or five six weeks here fantastic basketball. Now,
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Boston's probably gonna run through the East like a like
a hot knife through very warm butter. That I suspect
will happen. The Knick's wonderful story is a better story
than a team. But out west, here comes Sacramento. Okay,
see Minnesota, Denver Lakers. Interesting teams.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, just remember a heat sixers tonight, right, and the
loser potentially is the eight seed. You think Jimmy Butler
scared of Boston. You think Joel EMBII doesn't want the
smoke from the South.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
They led them.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know, is Boston saying, come on, Miamila.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
You should hit up your boy Bill Simmons.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I wonder if he's kind of getting nervous because Boston
was amazing this season, and if they stumble in Game
one or two against Miami or Philly, it's like, oh my.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Gosh, here we go again, choke City.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, if I was the Celtics, I'd rather face Philadelphia
because I think Miami's history giant killers in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah, they got a lot of injuries Miami.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I don't think Miami's gonna spread his five tonight six
Ers favored by five, big number, and the action for you,
I'm on the Hawks and either two.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I thought the Warriors would rally. So I thought the
Warriors would win last night, but then they couldn't beat
the Pelicans or the Lakers, and they get back, you know,
so I thought last night they'd summon like one more
great game. That was my guest. I guess wrong. So,
by the way, Klay Thompson, what to do with Clay Thompson.
So I was looking at these numbers. He had a
very good April. So his last three months he averaged
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sixteen in February eighteen, in March twenty three. In April,
my theory was is that Steve Kerr and Steph were
running a lot of the offense through Clay Thompson to
send a message to the owner, Joe Lacob. Look, he's valuable.
We need him because Kerr wants him, Stephan Draymond want him.
But the owner's got to write the check and Orlando
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may write a big one to get him. So here
was Steve Kerr. He was all for ten last night.
It didn't It was not the kind of night that
Klay Thompson needed fighting for his Warrior survival. But here
was the coach after.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Clay's presence means so much to the to the spacing
on the floor, to the flow of the offense. And
he's still got good, good years left. And I know
I speak for everybody in the organization. We want him back.
What Clay has meant to this franchise, as good as
he still is, we desperately want him back.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, I would take him back for the right number,
but it's a very team friendly number. Last year playoffs
he looked washed and last night, like couldn't get a shot.
So we all go to high school reunions. Everybody's happy.
There's going to be documentaries and cool statues. All these
guys are getting statues, but sometimes, Clay, you don't want
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to become a statue on the floor. So I don't
know what they do. Winning basketball games is a business.
This does not feel close to a run it back roster.
They can't win playing games. So here's Draymond echoing the
same sentiments on Clay Thompson.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I don't think there's any scenario where Clay Lee's and
that's the best decision for this team and organization. They've
shown nothing but respect, loyalty, love, trust us, So I
got no reason to go into it like, oh man,
they're not going to do right by Clay. They did
right by me. I have no reason to think that
our ownership group aren't going to take care of us
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the way we've taken care of this organization.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's interesting. Let's bring in Chris Mannick, Senior writer Sports Illustrated.
Can you tell me, I mean it doesn't feel like
a run it back roster. They also have the kid
they drafted from Santa Clara Pods who's got tons of energy.
He's not quite the refined product, but he's a good,
good player, high energy, great motor. Your takeaway and Klay Thompson,
what happens.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Yeah, it does not look like a run it back
roster because even though this team went twenty seven and
twelve down the stretch, they still finished the ten seed
and got creamed by a Kings team without Malik Monk
and without Kevin Herder. So the facts kind of speak
for themselves now. I talked to a couple of team
executives this morning about what they would offer Klay Thompson
in free agency, and their guest was somewhere between twenty
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and twenty five million million dollars per year over two
or a three year deal. They also guess that Klay
Thompson is going to be looking for significant scifically more
in that deal, so there's going to have to be
a reckoning, I think. In that Golden State front office,
Joe Lacob, the owner, has made it clear he wants
to take this team under the luxury tax next season.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
They spent three.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Hundred and eighty million dollars on salaries and tax penalties
this year. He wants to get them under the tax
that next season. That can begin with excising Chris Paul
from the roster, But it's going to lead to a
hard conversation with Klay Thomps when they say to him,
we think you're worth X. If you think you're worth
why go out there and see if it's out there
for you.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I get that, you know we were talking about. I
threw out my scenario the Clippers unravel against the Mavericks,
and Paul George is like, I'm a California guy. I
don't want to leave the state, but I'm over this,
I'm over hardened, I'm over Kawhi and that he moves
up north and then you can keep a lot of
your Moses Moody, Kaminga and frankly you give Lebron a
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call because Steph's timeline is probably three more great years.
But I do think Paul George is somebody. I mean,
he chose California. Is that crazy to think? Because if
you do that with Paul George and you move off
Chris Paul, you could keep a lot of the parts.
Otherwise what would they do.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Look, I don't know if the audience wants to be
bored with salary cap machinations, and exactly why things will
or won't work because of the first apron and the
second apron. Just to say, it would be exceedingly difficult,
if not impossible, for the Warriors to pull off a
deal that brings Paul George to Golden State. It would
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have to be presumably a sign and trade deal, maybe
Paul George opted it. There's just a lot of obstacle
standing in the way of Golden State, which is what
makes this situation that they're in so problematic. I mean,
they can rely on some organic growth next year. I
Thinkaminga is a star in waiting. I think he's going
to become and even better player next season. You mentioned,
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you know, Brandon Pazinski. He is someone that's going to
get better in a.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
More enhanced role.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
So even if Klay Thompson leaves as a free agent,
they can fill in some of those voids with the
players that they already have. But Colin, we're talking about
a team that has made championships, the bar four championships
during this era. There really is no scenario where you
can look at this Warriors team and say a tweak there,
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a twist there, and they are a championship content. That's
why I think this offseason is going to lead to
some very hard conversation that Warrior's front office about where
this team goes from here.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So Lebron is twelve and oh in his last twelve,
like Game seven's playing games in season tournament. He in
this roster. I said before is that if they were
a band, they could give you a great performance. But
they're not a world tour band. They're just Lebron's old
and AD's older than his age, and they don't have
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a lot of dependable parts. But you could get one
great night out of them. I think they match up
pretty well with Denver. Don't think they'll beat them, probably
get beaten five. What transpires in your opinion in that series.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Oh, Colin, I'm sitting here in Nick Wright's chair in
New York City, So I feel like I should be
infused with Lebron and Lakers optimism, but I'm just not
right now. I mean, you look at the most recent history,
a four game sweep in the conference finals last year.
The Nuggets went three to zero against the.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Lakers this season.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Yes, the margin of victory in those games was very tight.
The Lakers were not blown out and many of them.
So you have some reason to believe they'll be competitive
in this series. And I'm sure there's an argument to
be made that catching the Nuggets early might be better
for them than catching them late. But you can also
make the argument that the Nuggets are not exactly sleepwalking
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into the postseason. They won six of their last eight games,
and despite some of the adversity that they face during
this regular season, they still finished in a statistical tie
with Oklahoma City for the best record and a competitive
Western conference. So you really got a squint to look
for the Lakers pathway to victory, But I'll do it
for you if you want. The pathway to victory is
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D'Angelo Russell playing out.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Of his mind.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Di'angelo Russell after the All Star Break average about twenty
points per game, shot forty one percent from three.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Those are excellent numbers.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
You saw him down the stretch against the Pelicans last
night making a key three pointer. They need the DiAngelo
Russell that played the second half of this season, played
in the play and has played in for a lot
of his time with the Lakers to show up in
this series and not be the Di'angelo Russell that was
virtually unplayable in that series against Denver. The Nuggets just
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played D'Angelo Russell right off the floor, and if he
is that same player, this series is going to be
over very quickly.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So let's go to the East. Miami and Philly play.
Boston will be favored over both, but I would rather
face Philly, even though I'd have to face embiid. I
don't want to face Spolst Butler. I just I'd like
to get out of that. There are these weird teams
and sports that just rise and they're just a pain.
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I don't want to face Spolstra, Jimmy Bam, I don't
want to. But as somebody that covers the Celtics or
either of those teams capable of pushing Boston and making
them a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Yeah, I think Miami is the team the Celtics would
most likely like to avoid. Even though the Heat are
probably a weaker version of the team we saw last year,
They're still Miami, They're still brilliantly coached, They've still got
a great closer in Jimmy Butler, and Celtics historically, at
least over the last ten years, have really played well
against the seventy six ers. Al Horford plays really well
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against jowellen Beats. That's probably the matchup that they would
prefer in the first round. But any first round matchup
for the Celtics right now is a little bit concerning
because the Celtics they haven't played like a meaningful game
since ash Wednesday. I mean, they have been basically just
sleepwalking through the last month, month and a half of
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the regular season. I was at the game last week
against the Knicks, a meaningful game kind of for both teams.
The Celtics suited up their starters, the Knicks suited up
their best players, and the Knicks just kicked the crap
out of them. So the question of whether or not
the Celtic's gonna be sharp, having another week off, having
not played meaningful games in a while, going up against
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the potentially sharp or you're in focused Miamia Philadelphia team,
that is a cause for concern. Early in that series,
watch that Game one for the Boston Celtics. They lose
that game, There're gonna be some alarm bells going off
in Boston.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So sometimes this happens Chris, where a story is better
than a team, And I think that's the Knicks. Julius
Randal gets hurt more of the offense right Brunson, and
he's terrific. He's the best quarterback in New York, including
Aaron Rodgers and Daniel Jones. I love him outside of Ewing.
I think he's my favorite, you know, Knicks guy since
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maybe I don't know Allen's Houston or a Walt Fraser, whatever,
But I think the story is better than reality when
he's off the floor. It's not a highly functional offense,
and I think they're gonna get doused in the first
round and then I think they're gonna go big game
hunting Karl Anthony Town something like that. Give me your
thoughts on the Knicks, the future, the now. I just
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there's not enough offense here to me to win a
playoff series?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Is there?
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I think there's enough offense to win a first round series.
Is there enough offense to beat a Milwaukee team in
the second round? Is there enough offense to beat the
Celtics in the conference finals. That's very much an open question. Look,
I had many questions about the Knicks even before this
Julius Randlem his injury because the history of the Knick
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stars in the near playoff past has not.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Been very good.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Julius Randall has been great during the regular season the
Knicks have made the playoffs, he has been categorically awful
in the postseasons. Now, Jalen Brunson wasn't bad in the
playoffs last year, but you look at the three point numbers.
He shot better than forty percent in the regular season.
He was around low thirties during the postseason. That's not
going to get it done in a postseason series. So
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when you go up against teams that have good defensive
players and good defensive coaches and they're able to dig
into one team with one really serious option, that's going
to make a Knicks DP playoff run, I think really problematic.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
All Right, you had you're an MVP voter. I didn't.
I would go Luka Jokic SGA, Jalen Brunson maybe a four,
I don't know, but I could argue both. But I
do think Luca really taking Kyrie to a place Lebron
did where basketball trump's everything. I think it's substantial because
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I think if you look at Lebron Kyrie and Boston
Kyrie and Brooklyn Kyrie pre Lebron and Cleveland it's not
the talent, it's you know, there's stuff, and I think
Lucas solved it, and that to me, if there's a
tie breaker, I think that's substantial.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
What was your vote? I like that normalizing.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Kyrie is kind of criteria for winning MVP.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Not not that I necessarily disagree with that.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
I mean, it clearly works between Kyrie and Luka Dancis,
but I use other criterias there call. I mean, look,
it was incredibly close between Yokich, Luca, and SGA, but
Shake Gildess Alexander got my MVP vote this year because look,
he took over and is the leader of the youngest
team in the NBA and the youngest team to.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Ever win the number one overall.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
See, this was a player that last year was on
a team that was a lottery team. Takes them all
the way to the number one seed. Put up the
kind of statistics offensively that we have not seen since
Michael Jordan's best seasons, since Steph Curry's MVP seasons.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And one of the more important.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Differentiators that I used for Shay Gildis Alexander is that
he is a two way player. He's top ten, top twelve,
in defensive win shares. You gotta go a little bit
further down to find Nicole Jokichen way further down to
find Luka Dancic, who is not a better than average
defensive player. So all three of these guys put up
great numbers. But Shay's team success on a team that
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was nowhere last year and the fact that I think
he's the best two way player.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Of the bunch that gave him a slight edge on
my ballot. I like it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
How about that, Ja Max? I like that. That's listen,
it's close. It's interesting. You can the argument value is
what are you doing? It's not a stat If it's
just scoring, Luca's gonna win a lot. So Yokich I
would make this argument, Chris that once you win the championship,
it's different front. You don't have that pressure. Lucas still
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faces that, right, Sga faces that, So Jokicic doesn't face
that like impending Jason Tatum now faces real pressure. Bro,
you got to get to the finals. This team is stacked.
So the argument, if you make that argument, it comes
down to Luca and Sga. Well, Luca has like a
guy that was a hit a bucket at a finals
guy and Kyrie SGA's got chet Holmdron. It's a prad
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so j Mack your reaction to that, that's interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I just don't see how you can put SGA on
Luca's level. Well as what you said, Chet Holmgan comes
in and they improved by fifteen twenty wins. Like Kyrie
Irving was there last year. They're better because Luca is
a better defensive player this year.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I think Chris would probably is SGA good defense? Just
does defense matter? But at all.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It does?
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Yes, I would say I would say defense matters, you know,
significantly the thunder Outside of rebounding, they're a near flawless team.
SGA is a big reason for that. I watched a
lot of Oakland's Homa City games this year. SJA is
often deployed on one of the better, if not the
best wing player on an opposing team.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
It helps has got lou Dort.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
There is a great defensive wing as well, but SGA
oftentimes plays against top offensive players. He also gets the
free throw line an absurd amount. His clutch numbers are ridiculous. Look,
this was the hardest MVP ballot I have filled out
in about fifteen to twenty years of doing it, because
all three guys you can make a compelling case for.
But I think Shay again being the two way player
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and having a team that, even by virtue of tiebreaker,
was the number one team in.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
The Western Conference. I think that means something.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
I think winning matters, and SGA's team won at a
high level this year.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
No, I think he's great. It's one of the better votes.
A lot of international guys and a lot of great players,
all of them certainly worthy of it. Chris Mannix is
always good talking to him A man, you got a call? Yeah, yeah,
I mean I think it's just one of those inches
not feet ears like that SGA. When you really think
about it, it's like I kind of had him third
because I'm like it is he as influential, But I
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mean their roster is interesting. It's just all kids. I
have said this multiple times. North Carolina's average age was
twenty two and a half. I think, Okayc's average age
is like just under twenty three. It's all kids, and
he's leading him to the number one seat in the
significantly better conference. Yeah, we acknowledge that it's the af
seed of the nf.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
T having is how why are they fifteen or whatever
wins better this? Why are they did they move up
from you know, potential team to number one seed? There's
one big difference on that team, and that's Chet Holmgren
is there, who impacts play at both ends. He played
in I think almost every game this season might have
been every game, Like, there's just not that much different
with Dallas except Lucas now defending.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
All you guys did was back on Luca. He doesn't defend.
He couldn't defend Jason McIntyre in Erect League.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Luca's come out and the numbers say he has been
a very very good defender. He's showing he's willing to
adapt and you know, become a guy who's not a
turnstile on the defensive end.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Remember that picture of Luke at once we thought it
was real where he was having a beer on a
playoff day, a smoke and a beer.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The internet, Well, you know these European guys, a big traveler.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You go to Europe, Dad, Hey listen, when you're fifteen sixteen,
you're having a glass of wine, uh and Italy with
your parents.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, you were knocking back two or three?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
No, no, nah, mom and dad. We had to sneak
it Milwaukee's best beast.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
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Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, the average age is of thunder of my staff
just looking up twenty three years of age, twenty three
point four. That's, by the way, NC State, Alabama, Purdue Yukon. Similarly,
you're talking twenty one, twenty two year old team. So
the fact that a number one seed is just crazy.
J Mack with a.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
News no, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is the Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
So Bill Belichick's stuff swirling around today very interesting, as
are now indicating Belichick has told people close to him
he has interest in coaching the Cowboys, Eagles, or Giants.
All three teams coaches could be on the hot seat
by Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
We don't know, obviously, we don't know how the season
is gonna shake out.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But Colin, it's interesting Belichick let the whole Apple series
come out. He let everybody kick him while he was down,
and now it feels like Belichick's kind of rising up
and maybe his side of the story.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, this story comes out on a day another story
comes out yep, where you know Atlanta, he wasn't one
of the top three choices. So this is Belichick getting
his people to defuse some of that negativity around him
on shows like This and others, get the word out
that Bill is very interesting. So what you're doing is,
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instead of on this news cycle being done dominated by Belichick,
wasn't top three, Bill's side leaks this and usurps it.
Now we start talking about this, Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
So we didn't get a chance to spa at all
over the earlier Belichick topic. I'm going to ask you,
do you believe that Craft sabotaged Bill with the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I think Bill sabotage Bill.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
But I mean by like, do you believe that Kraft said, Eh,
he can't be trusted and all this stuff that came
out in the article.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
If Andy Reid retired tomorrow, you couldn't do what you
did to Bill, because he gets along with people, he's collaborative,
he's fun, he's joyful. Bill's issues are Bill.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But according to Bill, No, not according to Bill Occurd
just sources in that story.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Bill told the Falcons. I'll be collaborative. I'll work with
the GM. I'll work with the front office.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
People didn't believe it because he's never done that in
his career. I mean, it's like if somebody told you, hey,
knew me albeit the gym every day and they're fifty
and they've never been to a gym, new lifestyle every day,
I'm going to be on the treadmill. You'd be a
little bit of a cynic.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
This is different.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Bill Belichick was run out of New England. It's you've
got to change. If you're not gonna change, you're not
getting a job. Are you gonna change?
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And it sounds like he told the Falcons I was.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I would say this, if you set the ground rules
with Bill, Bill, don't give me this parcels. I'm making
the food. I got it, Cheot. You are not drafting
the players. I'm not interested in that, but you coach them.
We have a GM in a scouting department. Your opinion
will not sway us at all. If I feel it,
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I'll run you out of the building. I would put
it in the contract. If you're not collaborative, I don't
want your drafts. Bill's last seven drafts when he got
power are awful?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
We know, yes, that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh that's kind of the league to get. And by
the way, you say he's interested in the Cowboys, Giants
and Eagles. Giants don't have their quarterback yet they may.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Draft they be the worst team in the league and
have a tough.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Now a worst team in the league. Well you're you're right,
it could be bad.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Give me their skillful decision play.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
First of all, if Bill sending out that he's interested
in coaching these his bill considering the Cowboys, Giants, and
Eagles have head.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Coaches, well, okay, let me just around.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Great form by Let's go back to that Falcons because
you said he didn't finish in the top three.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well that's what the reports are.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Why would the owner invite him and be hot to
be the first one to talk to him and then
not even have him finished.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
In the top three because thing clearly went down.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well, the owner invited him because Bill was on the market.
Nobody knew if he was going to get a job
or not. So Arthur Blank's like, get down here, let's
fly him in on my private jet. And then after
Bill leaves, you make calls and around the League.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, is it around the leagueers at Craft because Bellett,
by the way says for that story or.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Indicating Kraft put the kaibosh.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Well, Bill's story indicates that they didn't kill it, but
they didn't do him any favors. And they were candid
when asked about his nature of ruling with a thumb
that they felt like in I mean every book I've read,
you could go to Jeff Benedict's Ian O'Connor, Seth Wickersham,
every book you read on the Patriots says Bill was
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difficult with Craft. And I've said this on the show
for years. When you read those books, you can tell
that Craft in Belichick there's animosity. I mean Bill was
much more fun loving in his first five or six years.
He could be funny with the media, whether it's Spygate,
whatever it is. Bill got grumpy. Bill ruled with an
iron fist. He wasn't as collaborative at the end. I
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mean like he just shoot off the scouting department in January.
I was told by two people who had worked around
that organization. So I'm not anti Bill. I mean I
put Edelman on the show, Brady'll be on the show.
I was considered a patriot Homer forever. But when I
see old guys start ruling with an iron fist and
it doesn't end well, look in the mirror. Stop blaming people.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
So to wrap up with two questions, Who's coaching the
Cowboys in twenty twenty five? Belichick or Dion Sanders, Neither
McCarthy steak.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
There'll be an offensive coach Houston's offensive coordinator Bobby Slowan,
he'll get a look. We take him over Ben Johnson.
I think I think Jerry will hire somebody that excites
him and he's giving a break to coaching the Cowboys,
the biggest brand. Jerry likes to feel important with you.
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Mike McCartney was on the beach. Jason Garrett was like
his son. Who would have else would have hired Jason Garrett?
So Bill right, the only two times Jerry's had successful coaches,
Jimmy and Bill, they didn't need him, Okay, So Jason
Garrett kind of needed him. McCarthy kind of needed him.
The recent history is chan Gaily, Wade Phillips, kind of
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those kind of guys that you know Jerry. He hires
people like he's saving them or giving a once in
a lifetime opportunity. Jerry needs that, so it'll be somebody
like a Bobby Slowan.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Bobby Flow doesn't know a damn thing about developing a culture. Meanwhile,
Chick does and Dion does. That would be a great mistake. Finally,
I don't know if I can use you as a
reference going forward, the way you're taking craft side of here,
I don't think I could put you down when.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, once you get collaborative and that. Oh gotta work
well with Ryan on those hockey scores.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
What's hockey all right? Next subject, Patrick mahomes Colin. His
fame continues to rise. Obviously, three Super Bowl MVPs. He's
just collecting accolades left and right now. He has been
named one of the most influential people in the world
according to Time magazine, and he says he's not ready
to be anywhere near the goat status in.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
The quarter Brady's the goat. He is the most talented
quarterback I've seen. He's not the goat. A lot of
people are talented. It takes time. You gotta win things.
I mean, Michael Jordan walked into the NBA and was
dropping points on everybody. He couldn't get past the Michael
Jordan didn't just get talented. Wasn't just great when he
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beat the Celtics and the Pistons. He was great the
minute he walked in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So also, don't forget Mahomes lost a Super Bowl, so
he can't be ahead of Joe Montana.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
That's I'm making fun of the Michael Jordan fans into lebro.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well right now, I would say Brady's the goat. Montana
is probably along with Mahomes and that cat. Well, I mean,
Joe Montana's four for four MVPs. What do you mean
so a team sport? Come on, so it's basketball. Nobody
Jordan Pree pivot.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
That Joe Montana was an amazing quarterback in his time.
He played in the eighties. He wasn't playing in the fifties.
Not Ya Tittle. In his time, he was really.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Awesome, Yesta Deck.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
When was Montana playing for the Niners? Was it early nineties,
late eighties?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Eighties?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, but the football was this a lot of the
same things back then. He's not talking. We're not talking
Jerry West back in the early seventies. He was great
when that when the NBA Finals were on tape delay
after the eleven o'clock news.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
He's in all time.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Joe Montana is an all time great.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Note it's not a slight to say he's third all
time behind.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Well, he's four for four. How many is mahomes have?
He's three for three for three.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Out of four, lost one. Not good enough, don't be there.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
He just had eleven.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Again, that's the sixties when there were four teams.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now we're I'm saying, there's there's lines like to me,
the what did Montana play the.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Eighties is closer to the sixties than today is to
the eighties.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But I look at eighties sports as the real thing.
The seventies is different. Good, Okay, these guys were barely
using weights in baseball.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Guys are smoking cigarettes jon time in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I mean Len Dawson was out there knocking down the
pepsis and uh, you know, rockets at halftime. So Montana
played seventy nine to nineties, great years, mid eighties on.
That feels like a current player. Troy Aikman's a current player, yeah,
Bart Starr, I don't count sixties. The only old school
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quarterback that I think could play today and would great
was Roger Staubach. He was unbelievable. He was he was
twenty years before his time.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Parents weren't even in this country.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't think at that time anyway. So the whole
Montana thing, he's like a magic Johnson. He comes in
against Bill Walsh and then Jerry Rice John Taylor at Roger.
He's awesome, Dwight Clark. They had ridiculous teams.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Montana was Andy Reid, Travis Kelcey, Tyree Hill, Chris Jones,
Steve Spagnola, the Hunt family, Rnish Young GM in the sport.
I didn't have any support.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Now, the forty nine ers were like the glamour team
of the NFL in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, who do you think the glamour team right now
in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
And they're because that's because of Patrick Mahomes. Come on you,
you're not really doing this, are you you?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I don't think Andy Reid is in the argument for
the greatest coach in league because.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Of Patrick Mahomes. He gotta run out of Philly. Come on.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Belichick got run out of Cleveland before he got great.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
After for three years, Reid was in Philly for over
a decade.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And got to Super Bowls in five NFC Championship.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Didn't win it didn't think anyways Finals to gosh, that
was oddly heated. Clippers are playing the Mavericks Sunday in
a series that I can't wait for.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Kawhi has missed the last eight games due to knee inflammation.
Status for Gaybo is unclear.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Tyler has been cryptic about it, but then.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Colin out of the blue yesterday Kawhi Leonard taking the
last USA Basketball roster spot.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
What what? I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I like your suggestion, Zion. I mean, who would you
rather watch? I'd rather watch Zion in the Olympics. We
don't know if a load of this, We don't know if.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Is gonna be healthy in a week, a month with
who knows now? Zion obviously a little.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'm I'm I mean, Zion has had injury issues too,
but I love his game. Kawhi is good, but I'm
old box office.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
He's not Caitlin Clark, but he People are going to tune.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
In for Zion Zion at the Olympics. Yeah, I'd watch that.
Dusal Door will have no game plan to stop him none.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, No, I'm that By the way, that uh, we've
had some good what don't we have.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Another story on a guy in the NBA getting whacked.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Yeah, that's coming up. We're waiting some more details of
trickling out.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
A guy did get not whacked like mom whacked, but
he got a lifetime band.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
We'll talk about it later. It's not fully done the story.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, it's his career is full, his careers toast. Oh,
but we're waiting on one important time. I think it's
so funny that you literally look at Joe Montana.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And go pooh.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I mean, look at Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice. Yeah, and
he had to go through a cowboy dynasty.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
What cowboy dynasty was at?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You see who San Francisco beat in these great Super
Bowls and these great NFC championships. They were facing great.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Teams in the eighties. Yeah, I guess I gotta do
my mine. I thought the Cowboys were a jugger.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Not the one they were in the nineties. But I'm
saying what Danny White in the A.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I know some eighties, I know some eighties.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I'm not a seventies guy, but those Cowboys teams are
nothing compared to the nineties Cowboys team.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Come on, all right, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I mean, nobody does it on an island. So you
can argue that the Chiefs have a top three owner,
a top three GM, a top one coach, the best
tight end ever, the best defensive coordinator arguably in the league.
For a time, they had the fastest football player on
the planet. Don't tell me they haven't had Chris Jones.
(32:28):
Is isn't he Now that Aaron Donald's out name a
defensive lineman, you take over Chris Jones. Huh?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Quinnin Williams of the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
They may disband that thing after Aaron's podcast. It may
be better off to shipping them the UFL. All I'm
saying is you're saying they don't have best head coach,
best top coordinator, best GM, great ownership, a lot of support.
That's a good place to play too. You also got
(32:59):
the wacky Raiders and mostly the goofy Chargers for most
of my life in those divisions. I mean, seriously, the
Chargers have been talented forever, but we keep waiting for
the Chargers. Harby think is gonna be the guy that's
like can you guys finally overachieve and then the Raiders
have been, you know, for twenty years, have been kind
of a grease fire. So I mean, there's there's there's
(33:22):
been some benefit. And I love Mahomes, but you can't marginal.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Santana was a golden boy from Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Patrick Mahomes did even win a bowl game at Texas
Tech putting up indoor football numbers.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Come on, they don't play. It's a pillow fight in
the big game exactly. Montana played against Great Ohio State,
Michigan defenses. Your guys out there have pillow fight in Lubbock.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, Montana was like the chosen one, you know, like
that he.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Went in the third round. Yeah, he was chosen in.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
The third round.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I know.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Oh jeez, you're trying to marginalize Joe Montana. I'm not
doing that at all.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm just saying I don't think that you can accurately
compare the two because what Mahomes has done has been
more impressive that Joe Montana having a loaded Niners teaching you.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
You have Montana and Jeff Hostetler. A coin flip, it
would go either way.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Ket O'Brien, I like him too.
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Speaker 3 (35:07):
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
Shoe he Otani and the Dodgers. Coverage begins Saturday at
three Eastern on FS one.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Speaking of Otani, people are talking He's starting to hit
really well now. He just had an eight game hitting streak,
four home runs. He's on fire, and people are saying
he's unflappable. This guy, considering the controversy and the gambling
saga around him, he's unflappable. And I would say, don't
confuse unflappable with innocent. Is that there's not a lot
(35:44):
of mobsters that live to be one hundred. Now, maybe
it's the sausage diet and the weaponry, but I would
say that when you're hiding secrets, it wears on you.
Clean living is a better life. It endures, and you
can compartmentalize secrets and bad actions, but it shows up
in stress and performance. And I think Otani's a victim.
I don't think he's caring any weight or hiding anything.
(36:07):
I think, if anything, it's embarrassing. And the moral of
the story is with money, trust, but verify. But I mean,
I said, from the very beginning, you're talking about somebody
from overseas, got eight bank accounts, had an interpreter thought
he was his friend. I've seen Billy Joel, Robert de Niro,
Kevin Garnett, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tim Duncan, countless pro athletes
(36:31):
get jobbed, by people with proximity, including agents, And here
was the Dodgers manager talking about Otani during this saga.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
He just he's very stoic. You know, he just don't
know his emotions.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
He just kind of comes in every day the same
and you never know if things are good or things
are bad.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
Or stuff on his mind.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
He just he's a pro. He just wants to play baseball.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Okay, a couple of NBA things. Zion Williamson, who walked
off the court not hobbled last night, is out for
Friday's playing elimination game against Sacramento. So I don't know
if there's ever been a guy drafted that was exactly
what we thought like Zion Williamson. I can remember when
he got drafted. I was told I worry about his
weight by NBA insiders. Weight and injuries will be an issue.
(37:19):
But when he's in there, he'll be a freight training,
really hard to stop. And that's exactly what he's been.
He's been everything people thought he would be. Weight, struggles,
injured a lot, but man, if you watch that game
last night, there was no stopping him. He got forty
points then left the court. Nobody knows exactly why but
here it's kind of a hamstring thing, left hamstring. So
(37:40):
he leaves. In terms of the Warriors, whose season ends
again third time in five years, they get eliminated from
the playoffs a couple of times in playing games. Let's start.
Let's start with Steph on Clay. Thompson's the loss in
Clay's future. You can never see us.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
So if you know not with those two guys, it's
understand this league changes and there's so many things that
go into it, and we're not gonna play forever. But
you know, we've experienced so much together and at the
end of the day, like again, I know they want
(38:20):
to win. I know I want to win, and that's
all I wear.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's all.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Uh, that's all I'm worried about.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, players, coach want him back. Charles Barkley on TNT
about Clay's future with the Dubs.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
They're gonna have to make a hard decision on Clay.
Clay's not gonna get younger. Do you sign him for
three or four more years, which he won't. He's not
gonna get better. He gonna make less money, but he
ain't gonna get no better. Older people don't get the
sports ain't for old people. That's for young people.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
That's no disrespect.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
Plays a Hall of Famer, but he's lowered his number,
but he ain't. No, just because you lit his number
don't mean he gonna play better as he ages.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's a great way to put it. Sports is for
young people, it's not for old people. So what would
you do, J Mack? Would you sign him or not?
If he was willing to come off the bench and
take the best number available, he would take less than
the market bears, because somebody may overpay him.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Well, so let's say Orlando offers him twenty five a
year and he says, I'll take twenty from the Warriors. Yeah,
so hold on, let's just recap. The Warriors had the
most expensive payroll in NBA history and did not get
out of the play in colin They were a ten seed.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Why are you bringing him back? I think you got
to break up the band. I know it's tough.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I think so too.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Just remember, the best time to do a rebuild is
last year. That's the best time to do do not say.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Oh, give him one more chance.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I know Curry wants that, but you know what, like sorry, Bud,
and I'm the biggest Curry guy ever.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Like, I'm a huge fan. I just I don't think
you can do it. And now Wiggins, what can do
you get for Wiggins? Like, I'm not sure you can
get much for him.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Well, an awful season, yeah, I think that's done. But
I think the Chris Paul stuff's easy. The Wiggans stuff
is easy.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I think everybody is movable except Steph. And I wouldn't
want to move Draymond because I think Draymond is a
very unique catalyst. Offensively, He's a unique piece. He had
a great less several more.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Just remind me, why is Lebron or Giannis coming to
play with that whatever carcass.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Is of the old warriors of carcasses. That's I mean,
I just don't I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Giannis is on the oldest roster in the league, and
Lebron could be sitting there thinking d lo is what
he is. Austin Reeves is a four and a d
has been healthy for a year and a half and
that's not going to last. And I'm not sure. I
like Darvin Ham. I think oh I can get Steve Kerr,
Steph Curry and Draymond, Lebron loves all those guys. I'd
absolutely conced.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know who loved all that Kevin Durant loved Kyrie Irving.
How'd that work out?
Speaker 4 (40:55):
I don't know. I just comparing Lebron's not leaving LA.
Let's just be real. He ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It's a forty eight minute flight or something.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
He's not. He's not.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Are you sure?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Family positive?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
His sons. His son gets drafted and goes to Orlando.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Orlando's not taking Brownie, They're not.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
They're very interested.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Orlando is lovely this time of year.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
You know, it is about three weeks at time.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
I just don't know the NBA Playoffs because they're never there.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, No, they are. Yeah, this year I'm too.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I don't think it's crazy to suggest Lebron James has
always been a capitalist and an opportunist. If they get
if they get doused for the second year in a
row by Denver in four or five.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
At least they got to face Denver.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Oh gosh, what a Christmas present. Mat Hour three coming
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