April 19, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin gives the Lakers a heads up on what they can expect after they likely will lose their opening round playoff series to the reigning champion Nuggets
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultzen
for JAMAC today from Bleacher Report. He is an NFL
insider and we loved having you on a couple of
weeks ago. You crushed it. We're having you back. This
is an interesting time of the year, so draft everybody.
A lot of the stuff out there right now, Jordan,
is a false information. People are throwing stuff out there.
(00:55):
You know this. I remember years ago Mel Kayper telling
me he never got more manipulated than last week before
the draft. Everybody's sending out stuff. NBA playoffs have already
sort of begun with a play in tomorrow. Lakers, Nuggets,
so you picked a good time to come back to
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm thrilled to be back.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
What if Bill Belichick say it's not until the final
twelve hours that you really get the actual information that matters.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That's correct. Now, that's can still me.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You're gonna manipulated the final twelve hours. But that's when
the best information comes out. So until then, it's lying season.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, lying season. So Lebron James and the Lakers primetime
tomorrow night start their series against Denver. So you know,
Denver's the preempt to favorite. They swept the Lakers last
year in the Western Conference Finals. So when I suggested
a week ago, you know, maybe the Lakers could rest
Lebron ad in that first game and you know, end
up facing Oklahoma City, who they match up with really
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well and had beaten several times this year instead of Denver. Colin,
you can't duck ya. You can you can do that.
There are better matchups. But it wasn't just about losing
the series potentially to Denver. It's about the repercussions of
losing the series to Denver. Lebron has options after the year,
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and right now he's easily the team's best playmaker like easily.
So Lebron's career has always been under a microscope. We
all know that. So he gets swept by Denver and
then he gets swept again by Denver and DeAngelo Russell
again has a mediocre to bad series. What's the fallout
for the Lakers. What's the fallout for Lebron? Because Denver's
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not going anywhere. They're still pretty young, a lot of
players in their prime, and I think Jokic is actually
getting more efficient. And Lebron, if they get swept or
lose in five, is going to say to himself, let's
see here, we don't match out, we can't beat them.
They have more players in their prime, I'm getting older.
What's the fallout for that? He's gonna say to himself,
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I need a new coach, start over again, id new
teammates outside of ad So Oklahoma City would have been different.
If you beat Oklahoma City in a six to seven
game series, regardless of what happens after, there would be hope,
There would be optimism. In a year that ends and
Lebron has options, Lebron would be saying, we can live
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with Darvin Ham. I like this roster. Maybe move d
Low we just need tweaks. That's a different offseason than
getting swept again or losing in five to Denver. And
now the upside to getting whacked by the Nuggets is
it may force Raw Polinka and Genie Buss to absolutely
have to go get Trey Young for Atlanta, regardless of
what you have to give up. So there is a
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ray of sunshine if you get clobbered. And I think
the Lakers match out with Denver, but I don't see
him closing out games in this series. But there's gonna
be repercussions here if you get swept again. And Lebron's
got all sorts of options and Draymond Green loves him
and hangs out with them and vacations with him, and
Steph Curry and Klay Thompson could certainly use another KG
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veteran to score twenty four. Steph needs somebody next to
him that consistently can score twenty three to twenty four. Yeah,
I think that's Lebron. So it's not just just facing
Denver losing again. What are the repercussions of that. I
think they're substantial, with the only good side being you
get whacked and Trey Young is absolutely a Laker next
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year because Jeanie and Rob Palinka know lebron will put
the heat on him. That's what he does. So as
the draft the line season, as Jordan calls it, George
Peyton told the Athletic Great subscription service that the Denver
Broncos may move up and take a big swing. And
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you know it's interesting about the NFL. It's such a
situational league. So we all knew this. You know this
too most of the time. Andrew Luck being an exception,
you're about as good as where you land. Do you
get the right coach, the right coordinator, the right old line,
you're as good as where you land. Virtually nobody can
overcome nonsense. So that's very true. We all know it.
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But here's something else. Even if you're a great coach,
you have to get a top quarterback or you get fired.
Pete Carroll loses Russell Wilson in his prime. Pete Carroll
before Russell Wilson in his prime been fired three times,
and you Reid got fired. Bill Belichick went from goat
to inept. So not only do quarterbacks have to land
on the right spot, coaches have to get the right
quarterback so they get fired. So we know Sean Payton's
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a good coach. Think about this. Not only were the
Saints three and thirteen before he arrived there, but the
New Orleans Saints had one playoff win in thirty nine
years before Sean Payton he arrived. In fifteen years, they
won the division half the time, seven times. We know
he can coach. He's probably the best play caller with
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Andy Reid in the sport in a decade. But when
he took this Broncos gig, and I remember it because
he and I were talking a lot and then all
of a sudden he wouldn't return my calls. So I thought, Okay,
he's taking the gig and it was Denver, and my
first thought was, Ooh, here's a lot to unwrap with
that job. It's not your GM, you got new owner,
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old line's a bit of a mess. Andy Reid mahomes
in the division and what do you do with that
Russell Wilson deal. Yes, that's a lot, right, and we
know he can coach. Seven division titles fifteen years Saints
were three and thirteen Seawan arrived. Division titles followed. They
were the laughingstock of the league. Not for a year
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for thirty nine years, they couldn't win when they had
Archie Manning, who is more athletic than Peyton and Eli combined.
So now it's one year later for Sean Payton. Here's
where we're at, sixty seven million dollars in dead cap
money and the only way they can get a top
two to three quarterback is to give up massive draft
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draft capital. That's where they're at. Oh, by the way,
Justin Herbert just got Jim Harbaugh. Mahomes still has any read.
This division now looks like it's as good as anything
outside of the Raiders. So you know, it's it's funny
about Sean Payton. There's no no question he can coach.
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But think about the two best job openings. You can
usually see what's a really good job opening in the
last let's say eight to nine years, what have been
the two best job openings Aaron Rodgers in his prime,
Matt Leafluur gets it, and then the Cowboys were a
really good roster and Mike McCarthy got it. Well, what
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did what did Matt Lefluur do? Thirteen wins? Thirteen wins?
That well, what did Mike McCarthy do twelve wins? Twelve wins,
so you can see what a great job is. That's
why everybody, including Vegas DraftKings is saying, yeah, the Chargers
over unders about ten and a half. They're gonna be
really good, really fast. They got a left tackle, they
got a quarterback, they got two edge rushers right like
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you can see, they got draft picks. You can see
the good jobs. This was not a good job.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Peyton's brilliant, and the Saints were in much worse shape
than Denver, and the dead cap money for the Broncos
is only for a year, and they got a few
third round picks and a couple fives. They don't have
a second round pick. They got to get another weapon.
They don't have enough weapons. Raiders right now have better weapons.
They need more weapons. They got to get a quarterback.
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My take is that Sean is going to go sort
of revert back to after a difficult first year. What
worked in New Orleans, well, what turned it all around
was Drew Brees. And the one quarterback in this class
that feels like Drew Brees to me is bow Nicks
a little shorter than you'd like. Not a gun, not
a howitz or as an arm, a lot of college starts,
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super productive, won a lot of games, super dedicated, and
moves better than people think. So my prediction is Denver
will either stay at their spot and get a bow Knicks,
maybe a little bit of a ree, maybe they move
up one or two spots to get a JJ McCarthy.
But it does illustrate once again, it not only is
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about where do you land as a quarterback, but even
as a top coach, if you don't solve the quarterback thing,
you're done. And like, this is a good quarterback draft
and next year is not a good quarterback draft class.
So Denver's in a very precarious situation with a great
coach who took a difficult job. And this is how
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hard it is that Herbert now getting Harbaugh changes everything.
That changes everything. I can argue by the end of
this year will be saying this division, no division has
two better teams at the top than the AFC West
with KC and the Chargers can't wait for My guess
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is Denver has a couple holes to fill. They got
to get an edge rusher, they got to get another weapon.
I think they need some depth, a corner and running
back safety. I don't see them moving up, and I
do think bow Nicks and Michael Pennix will both be available.
But you can't go too far back because the Raiders
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are right behind you and they need a quarterback, and
they may like bo Nicks. So your gut feeling right now,
Caleb one, Jaden Daniels two, that's what I've heard. What
have you heard?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Absolutely? But then you have Drake May.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Then you have JJ McCarthy, who, depending on who you
talk to, you might get an entirely different answer.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
McCarthy the winning.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Pedigree, the upside as a as an athlete, a former
hockey player, the toughness. All he does is win two
state titles, a national title in high school at IMG,
a national title, third winning this college quarterback ever.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
And then you have Drake May, the.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Upside through the roof, big tall move.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, you talked a couple.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Weeks ago, justin Herbert type of talent, but a little
bit more raw, maybe a little more green.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And then bow.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Nicks sixty three career starts, and then Michael Pennix in
Indiana They're horrible, gets them to number seven in the country,
takes Washington to the national championship.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Always twenty four years old. Well, so is Bo Nicks.
Breeze was twenty three. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can you play?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Those guys can all play? In my opinion, I think
they're all really good.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I don't know if Knicks quite has the same ceiling,
but there's a lot of Really there's a lot to
be said about a high floor and a guy that
can play pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh yeah, Bo Knicks can play. First week, there's no question.
Sixty one, sixty two, sixty three College starts.
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Speaker 1 (11:37):
All right, NBA playoffs have begun. Warriors are already out.
They're the last dynasty the NBA had Denver has potential
to be a dynasty. But they'd have to win again
Knicks this year, and they'd have to be close next year.
So the Warriors have been the talk of the league
and the ratings driver in the NBA for the last
ten to twelve years. And it's kind of over, sort
of over. Is it over? We're not sure if it's over.
(12:00):
Steve Kerr addressed Clay Staff, Draymond rebuilding the roster.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
Rarely is it storybook, you know, I mean even the
ninety six or ninety eight Bulls. You know, the team
was broken up and we won the championship in our
last year, but there was a documentary about what a disaster.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
The whole thing was.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
It's impossible for this stuff to, you know, to end perfectly.
I do think there is a lot of value, as
I just said to Tim and in you know, our
three guys being Warriors for life. I really want to
see all of them, you know, finish their careers here.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, I mean that that storybook. But the here's the
truth about it. Go look at the last five years
for the Warriors. You got one title. I'll get to
that in a second, but three times you missed the
playoffs in five years, and once you were out in
the seventies half the second round. Right, So, and let's
go to let's deep dive the championship season, because I
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would argue a lot went your way. You were a
veteran team, Steph Draymond, Clay Wiggins, the redemption Tour for
Wiggins with one of the best coaches ever, Steve Kerr.
But in round one you faced the Nuggets, yeah, Jamal
Murray was hurt and Michael Porter had a torn acl
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Those weren't the Nuggets. No two g's with that Nuggets team,
they just weren't. No Porter, no Jamal Murray. Next round
you beat Memphis, immature Memphis. Their best player was twenty
two year old Jahn Morant who unraveled. The next round
you beat Dallas. That was twenty three year old Luca
with no number two option, no Kyrie, okay, and then
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you beat the Celtics, and it looked like first few
games in that series, Boston was better, but they were kids.
Tatum was twenty four. So you faced young Luca, young
jaw Denver without Murray or Porter, and young Jason Tatum.
These guys were just not ready for prime time yet.
Now the Celtics appear to be Denver's at full straight.
Forget Memphis, now seize the young better team. But I
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think when you really step back and look at it,
five years they've missed the playoffs three times. It's hard
to miss the NBA playoffs. It really is. Now the
West is better than the East. It's tough. The stars
all aligned for the championship series, and that happens. It's
not like they didn't earn the rest of them beating
the very best teams at their best, but that was
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the run where they were facing kids and a Denver
team that fell apart physically. So four of the five
seasons indicate you got to have a reboot here. You
can't be bringing the band back together. They're not ready
for a world too. Or they can give you one
good night. They can give you one great night at
the Sphere in Vegas. They're not a world tour anymore.
They just don't have the legs. There's Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
No turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
All right, Colin, let's start in the NFL. Last time
I was here, the Texans and Bills had a blockbuster trade,
sending wide receiver all pro Stefan Dix to Houston.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Josh Allen now loses his.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Top target from each of the last four seasons, and
yesterday he talked about the move.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
It's definitely definitely hard to part ways with a guy
that's been very instrumental in our success here over the
last four years, and obviously I wish we can keep everybody.
You know, we've made a lot of changes this offseason
lost a lot of veteran leadership, Steph being one of them.
I guess that's the nature of the business and going
into year seven now it's just kind of is what
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it is. You know, I don't I don't get paid
to make changes on the team. I pay to be
the best quarterback that I can be and try to
lead the guys on this team.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Colin Brandon Bean, the GM of the Bills, said we
could still have success with a true number one wide receiver.
Remember Gave Davis also gone good player, so right now,
really they're top targets are.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Dalton Kincaid, Yeah, good young tight end. And Khalil Shakira
at a Boise State.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah. I don't. I think a star number one receiver
is a bit overrated. So I could argue that the
Randy Moss Patriot teams, that's the only group that didn't
win titles. That's true, right, Like those are the great teams.
I think sometimes when you have a star receiver, you know,
you got to give star receivers attention and touches. I mean,
the best receivers in the league right now Davonte Adams
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right at now, and he's vocal, So I don't think
you have to have a number one receiver. I think
what you have to have is multiple receivers who are
at least in the two space. T Higgins, Puka Nakua,
maybe a one, but that kind of player. So I
can argue if they if they drafted two receivers and
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they both became really solid twos, you can win a
Super Bowl. You can't as currently constructed and get into
many shootouts in the AFC. And remember the AFC is
gonna be different. Aaron Rodgers back, Justin Herbert, great coach,
Joe Burrow back, Aaron Rodgers back. So last year was
the year Kansas City had no offensive firepower average seventeen
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points a game in the regular season. That's all going
to change that. So last year was the opening Baltimore,
by the way, all their young talent, all their young
receivers probably get better. So I think it's one of
these things. And your receiver running back. Cornerback is a
position you can draft and guys can hit immediately. Either
you can run arout and get open or not. You know,
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cornerback either you can cover a guy in the edge
or you can So I do think what they need
is available productions available immediately in the draft at wide
receiver and corner. But you got to hit on them.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, they picked late in the first I wouldn't be
surprised if they moved up a little bit to get
another receiver. I think they're going to take two receivers
in this class. To your point, but just for reference,
defon diggs on a hundred plus catches eleven hundred plus eight
plus tds.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
In each of his four seasons. I mean that's all.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Bro and the gap between him and Gabe Davis substantia.
And now he's gone, so you you really have one
Number two to.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Cheat is basically a slot. Yeah, big slot.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
He's gonna be really good. Yeah, James Cook can catch
the football on the backfield, but they need more.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And the whole point of saying, oh, well, Mahomes lost
Tyreek kill, I'm not. I love Josh Allen, but Mahomes
the Unicorn. He's the best maybe we've ever seen. So
I'm not ready to say that's just gonna happen again.
Second story, the NFL Draft. We are less than a
week away.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Jim Harbos Chargers hold the fifth overall pick. Next week.
They have been viewed as a strong trade down candidate
throughout the draft process.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yesterday, their new GM Geortiz discussed the factors that.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Would go in to such a trade.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
They have to make it attractive for us to move
away from those players, you know, the whole it's a
fair trade, it's a wash. I don't think that's a
trade that we're interested in. We believe we have the
first pick of the draft. I know there's going to
be four picks that go before us, but we believe that,
you know, and the four quarterbacks go. We believe strongly
that we have the first pick of the draft. So
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what are teams willing to give us to Obviously we
know it's the fifth pick and people are going to
be trading on that, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Scope, But yeah, it's got to.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Be a good value for us. Yeah. They they have
taken several calls. They have yet to get I'm told
and off they have taken calls. I still think Minnesota
went and got the twenty third pick in the first
So I think Minnesota giving them only moving down to
eleven getting another first, they would probably demand a next
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year first, which again if Minnesota, which is a pretty
stacked offensive roster would give up another first I think
they'd be fine because that first pick usually is best
served getting a great edge rusher or a quarterback. Sure,
otherwise you can get a lot of the great line,
great tackle. Yeah, but most positions in this league there's
a lot of talent, like quarterbacks, left tackles, you know that, cornerstones, Yeah,
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those are Those are a lot of top twelve picks.
So I think Minnesota is the team to look at.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Your Tis comes from Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Their entire organization is built really on trading back in
a draft, acquiring more draft capital. They're you know, they're
at five now, the Chargers, I wouldn't be say I'm
gonna throw a team out there.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I wouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Surprised if potentially they did business with the Jets, who
are at ten and I know want another wide receiver
for Aaron Rodgers. Joe Douglass goes way back in Baltimore
with Ortiz, so that's something to maybe watch out for.
To your point, they got to be wowed to trade
back fifth pick.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It's pretty valid.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Denver and the Raiders may move up, but they're in
the same division, so you're not going to give massive
draft Capital to a division rival. So it feels like Minnesota,
Arizona's got two first round picks, but they're above them
in the draft, so they don't want to do that.
So the teams that have two first round picks, Chicago
doesn't need to, Arizona doesn't need to, Minnesota does potentially.
So I mean, if Drake May goes third and New
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England takes a quarterback, then so I think Minnesota is
gonna sit there and it's all situational. They're just Minnesota's
gonna sit there and go, Okay, it's one of these
guys fault. But if Drake May, if it goes Caleb
Jayden Daniels, Drake May, and all of a sudden, Minnesota's like, okay,
now we're not gonna mess around. We know that the
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Giants can take a quarterback that we know Arizona won't.
We know the Chargers don't. But I think Minnesota is
just gonna wait. Now, if Drake May starts falling, I
think Minnesota just stays put, stays put and says we
may not have to go up to five.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If it telling I could jump then.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Potentially, but I think you sit and sit and wait.
You know, maybe the Giants.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Is this It's Giants are I feel like it's receiver
for them? I do if today I would say that
would be my lean at six you know.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And finally, uh NBA Playoffs, where the Clippers and MAVs
meet for the third time in five seasons. Kawhi Lyn
continues to deal with the knee injury and his status
for Game one on Sunday against Dallas is questionable. Colin,
the Clips have won the previous two playoff series versus
the MAVs, but Luca, Dantis and Dallas really really hot
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right now?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Well, what the MAVs have done, They've solved Luca has
solved the Kyrie drama, and they're also playing real defense,
which was always the huge issue. Luca's become a better defender.
So I'm gonna take Dallas in this series. Top of
next hour, thirty two minutes from now. I'm gonna make
my NBA Playoff picks soup to nuts, top to bottom,
basement to penhouse all the way through. Don't I feel
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like right now the Clippers are a little lost. Yeah,
and the Mavericks have found everything they need, So I
don't necessarily think the last two weeks of the season.
You got to be careful about NBA winning streaks late.
Some teams are tanking and other teams are resting their stars.
They're veteran stars. So when teams get really hot, like
the Sixers got really hot at the end with mbid, well,
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who are you playing? How many are real wins? But
Dallas has been playing well since you know, like January, Yeah, Febuary.
So that's a whole different ballgame. They've found a rhythm.
And I'm gonna take Dallas doing this thing in six
I got five. I wouldn't shocked by it. Jordan with
a news.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's
the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You know, it's funny. People generally don't like change. They
freak out. I'm old enough to remember when we change
the speed limit to fifty five to sixty five miles
an hour. Everybody freaked out in this country. Everybody's gonna die. Well,
car manufacturers built better cars, and car deaths actually went down.
(23:35):
We do this legalized pot. It's gonna ruin everything. Now
it made some revenue for states. We're all gonna be okay.
Same sex marriage, Eh, this that we're all gonna be okay.
People don't like change, and to a much lesser degree,
those are not analogous with sports, but to a much
lesser degree it's the same in sports. Transfer portal's gonna
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ruin everything. Nil is gonna ruin everything. It's not, I
would say the transfer portal frankly, it's a little overrated. LSU,
Colorado and USC leaned on it heavy. It didn't really
work for any of them. So Dion Sanders has had
fourteen players and counting transfer out of Colorado in the
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recent weeks, including a five star corner from Florida Cormani McLain.
And So, what I have learned over the last couple
of years watching the transfer portal, ninety percent of the
players you either lose or you get have no impact,
Just like fifty five to sixty five. There's no real impact,
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just get places faster. The kids that enter the transfer portal,
especially those that enter it more than once, they're not
really leaders. They're not foundational pieces. They're guys that are
unhappy somewhere or want to get happier somewhere else, and
they have the right to do that. But it's almost
like you can make money day trading on Wall Street.
(25:00):
But you're better buying stocks and holding them investing in
your four oh one k get rich quick schemes. Day
trading doesn't really work. Lots of movement, it doesn't really work.
It's not the volume of moves. It's making some really
smart quality moves and holding in the stock market. Lincoln
Riley's been at USC now what we two and a
half three years. They've had over thirty five I mean,
(25:23):
I don't even know how many players. It's got to
be over thirty five or forty transfers in and out
of the program. Minimum could be fifty. They've had one
great player Caleb Williams, and one excellent player Jordan Addison
of fifty moves, guys leaving coming, going stand fifty moves,
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one superstar quarterback and a really good NFL receiver. That's it.
Everybody else not a foundational piece, not a team leader,
not turning losses into wins. Some of them are nice players,
half have zero impact Ohio State. I mean, this is
the transfer portal Ohio State, top three football program most
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of my life in America. I think they're going to
win the NATI this year. Lost a quarterback a starting
quarterback because he wasn't guaranteed the starting job the next year,
had a chance, probably a favorite to win it, but
wasn't guaranteed. He went to Syracuse, a basketball school Ohio State.
To Syracuse, Hello, Hello, pick up the white courtesy Vhone.
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I don't get well, Hello, what's going on here? Because
he wasn't guaranteed he was going to start. And I'm
not blaming the kid. He wanted to start. You gotta start,
got to get reps to get to the NFL. But
Dion Sanders has a really good sales pitch. But most
kids want to play semi close to home. So if
you convince a Florida kid, hey, come out to Colorado
mountains are beautiful and all of a sudden the winter
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it's cold. Missus mom and dad, missus friends. You know.
I mean, if you were hiring somebody, ask yourself. Let's
say you start a small company. You start hiring people,
wouldn't you be a little suspicious if you looked at
a resume and had five jobs in seven years? Why
can't they stay anywhere? I've talked to coaches about this.
If a player has already transferred once, they're very very suspicious.
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If he's already transferred twice, it's like, no thanks. Hard
pass coaches are like, if a kid's already transferred twice,
he wants to transfer a third time, you got You're
just inheriting a problem. You're just bringing a problem into
the program. And again, I am for mobility, I am
for the transfer portal, But like any change in society,
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fifty five to sixty five miles an hour legalizing pot,
everybody freaks out. And the transfer portal. You know, if
you go look at who won the national title last year,
it was Michigan. And do you know why Michigan won
the national title? Those offensive and defensive lines, those were
built through high school recruiting and playing week after week,
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game after game, year after year together. Wasn't JJ McCarthy.
It was that old line all NFL guys and that
D line, and those were overwhelmingly built through high school
recruiting and playing together for years. Here was Dion this
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week on the portal.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
What happens with the portal?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Man?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
And you guys need to know a lot of people
are fighting for backups. When a guy's a starter and
he transfers, you got to really think about that, I mean,
is he really that. I don't know how many starters
have really transferred around the country. I think we got
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some coming in from visits pretty soon, maybe even this weekend.
But we can attract those type of players. But I
don't think we're losing those type of players. And if
we do, we're good.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
We're all gonna be okay. Foundational pieces, leaders, stars, they
mostly stay where they're at. If they have a little trouble,
have to fight, climb up hill, they'll do it. That's
why they're leaders.
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So NBA Playoffs this weekend. A lot of people like
the Knicks over the seventy six ers. I think Philly's
got a really good roster. I think they have two
stars m beat in MAXI the next have one. I
also think they have length a bench. They're playing really,
really well right now. I think the Knicks are really
jail brunts independent. You don't have to have great teams
to have a great series. Great drama comes out of
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two evenly matched teams. Pacers Bucks, I think it's gonna
go seven games, nixt Sixers. I think it's gonna go
six to seven games. I'll take Philadelphia at the top
of the hour. I'll make all my picks. I think
Phoenix Minnesota is a fantastic series. Phoenix matches up well
with the Tea Wolves beat him three times this year,
all double digits. So again, you don't have to have
a great team to have a great series. There's some
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really tasty first round matchups. And with that, Albert Riera
is joining us live Monday morning. Quota back. Okay, so
the talk today, Elliott Wolf, who's sort of the facto
GM now for the Patriots, as saying, hey, we'll do anything.
I think there's two schools of thought, one of them
being just get your quarterback in house. Just get him,
you don't have to play him. But there may not
be another Drake May next year, and there's an argument
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to be made there won't be right now. So your
take you're feeling on what New England's gonna do, well,
there are a.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Lot of voices in that room, and I would say
there's some port for JJ McCarthy, their support for Drake May.
And I think one thing that's sort of telling is
the Michael Pennocks thirty visit. They had him in a
few days ago, and that was a late add Initially
the Patriots had planned to just have the three in
JJ McCarthy, Jaden Daniels and Drake May. And you might
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ask what's the significance of the timing of adding Michael
Pennix to the list? Well, and my understanding is they
did that to prepare themselves for the chance they could
trade down. I don't think it's a likelihood right now, Colin,
but they're trying to kind of put each potential possibility
up against one another. You know, Minnesota, I think is
a team that could come up for Drake May. The
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Giants are a team that could come out for Drake May.
So I feel like pretty good that Drake May is
going to go third overall. I think the likelihood is
it to the Patriots, but I wouldn't rule out a
team with the Vikings or Giants coming up for him either.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Okay, Sean Payton's in year two, He's got sixty million
dollars in dead cap space, and they need a quarterback.
Bo Nick's probably available at you know, twelve. You could
probably move back a couple slots and probably still get
him at fourteen fifteen. Maybe a lot of people see
him late for a shorty second round player. But to me,
now that Herbert has Hardball and Mahomes still has Andy Reid,
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you've got to get a quarterback. You got to get
a quarterback, and you've got to get a quarterback because
you're paying those guys. If you get a quarterback and
you're not paying him for four years, then you can
build your roster against the Chargers and against the Chiefs.
So to me, what you've got to be able to do.
You got to win the roster because you're not going
to find the Mahomes or Herbert probably at the twelve spot.
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What do you think the Broncos do?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So here's what's complicated a by the Broncos position is
that they for the next two years, they're still going
to be carrying pretty heavy cap charges for Russell Wilson.
What does that mean, Well, that basically cancels out the
opportunity to have the rookie contract advantage with your young quarterbacks.
So if they draft the quarterback this year, then over
the next two years, they really won't have the built
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in advantage of having that young quarterback on the rookie contract.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So do you delayed a year. That's something they've talked about.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
You know, I think in the end, this really comes
down to how Sean Payton himself sees the prospects. You know,
obviously they're going to be out of range to get
Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels and probably Drake may too,
but they've done work on the other guys. They sent
a contingent Sean Payton was part of that contingent, Dan
Arbor to work out JJ McCarthy. On top of that,
they had Michael Pennison for a thirty visit. A lot
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of people in the league think that if bon Nix
is going to go in the first round, it would
have to be to Denver. I don't know if I
agree with them being the only team that might be
in that mix. I think the Rams could be a
sneaky team for Nicks as well, you know, But like
I do, think it's something that they're considering and turning
over rocks on. And to some degree, we're all prisoners
of our own history. And I know the experience of
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twenty seventeen does stick with Sean Payton. That year he loved, love, love, loved,
and I'm sure he's told you this. Colin Patrick Mahomes,
and they were sitting there at eleven, thought they were
going to get him. Andy Reid winds up trading up
from twenty seven to ten, steals them out of their laps.
They wound up with marsh On A. Lottimore, a good player.
But if Mahomes is the eleventh pick to New Orleans,
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Sean Payton might.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Still be there.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So you know, if there's a guy he loves, I
don't think he'll be shy about being aggressive to go
and get that guy. And they are doing the work
on all the guys outside of Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels.
I think this will really ride on Sean Payton's quarterback evaluation,
and I don't think they'll view it as the end
of the world if there's not one that they're motivated
to move up for.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
So teams like the Giants are fascinating because I think
they could do seven or eight things. Minnesota feels like
the team that's poised to move up. Offensively, They've got
their tackle, their back for a year, their quarterback, their weapons,
their tight end. You know, they could use maybe another
edge rusher, but you can get those as a good
edge rusher draft. Everybody in the league could use another
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corner again, plenty of those. Is there a team to
you most poised to move up? It feels like Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Right, Yeah, So four teams have investigated moving up there
in the quarterback market. You know, I mentioned the Giants.
You know, I think it would be for May if
they moved up. You mentioned the Vikings. The Raiders have
investigated it. I don't know that that happens. That might
be more Jayden Daniel specific. And then the Broncos have
kicked tires on it as well. So those would be
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the four teams I would look at, you know, as
potential to move up for a quarterback. But they're not
the only teams that have investigated moving up. There are
some teams that are looking at the idea of moving
up for offensive skill players. Indianapolis at fifteen, Jacksonville at seventeen.
Those teams could move up for receivers. Indy could move
up for brock Bowers. So I think because of the
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offensive talent at the top of the draft, you could
see some movement with some teams going up, not just
for the quarterbacks, but yes about the quarterbacks specifically. I
think a lot of that movement's they're going to ride
on whether or not New England sticks at three and picks.
I think the likelihood again is they stick at a
three pick a quarterback, and if that happens, of course
the value of the fourth pick for Arizona goes up.
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The Cardinals right now, my understanding is they're driving a
pretty hard bargain for that fourth overall pick, and I
think the Chargers would be open to trading at six
as well. So I think there's gonna be a good
amount of movement a week from to night. The quarterback
movement could hinge on what happens at three, and then
I think later in the top ten, you could have
some movement for some of the skill guys.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
By the way, why did it leak this week that
Belichick's interested in the Cowboys? Why did that suddenly? Was
that because Belichick was getting clobbered in the documentary.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Good Man Good reporters Seth and Don and Jeremy did
a nice job with that story, right like. So I
don't know that. I think that's more a result of,
you know, weeks of work by those guys, I would say,
but it is interesting that all three of those teams
are in the same division. I know Bill wants to coach,
you do, so you know, the idea of getting him
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out there in the twenty twenty five market if you're
in Bill's can't make sense because it can material effect
materially affect the way a season goes. I mean, look,
if you have three teams in the same division, right like,
not all those teams can win it, and someone's probably
going to be outside of the playoffs looking in, and
all three of those teams feel like they should be
in the playoffs in twenty twenty four. So it puts
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pressure on the guys in those spots. Of course. Brian
Dave all Nick Sirianni and Mike McCarthy, and at the
end of the day we talk about, you know, Belichick's market, Well,
pressure inside those cities to make a move on Bill Belichick,
to go get Bill Belichick, you know, can't affect the
way you know, a guy's market goes. And so you know,
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certainly something I think we'll all be watching. I view
it as similar to Sean Payton being unemployed, you know,
a couple of years ago, you know, the side the
year he was sitting on the sideline, we were all
speculating on where he was going to go in twenty
twenty two, right, I think it'll be the same sort
of thing with Bill this fall, where he hovers over
a couple of jobs where where guys are on the
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hot seat.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, good stuff, Albert your money money quarterback? Thanks Albert
as Owas all right, thanks cong Yeah, there's very rarely
is there a great job? The Chargers job with Herbert
and all your draft picks now a couple fours, that's
a really high end job. Matt Lafleur getting Aaron late
in his prime, no chaos, good draft and developed franchise
Green Bay. Very good job. Cowboys' job for all the dysfunction.
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You know, Dack's capable, good aging O line, Dallas, Jerry's
willing to spend money when he has it on the cap.
So those are three really good jobs. Most jobs aren't
good jobs. I mean, Washington Commanders have a new owner.
Your O line's bad, You're gonna go with the rookie quarterback.
I do think the way though, for Denver. You're not
gonna get a Mahomes or a Herbert where you're drafting,
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and there may not be one in this draft except
Kayla Williams. So how do you beat those teams? You
beat them with a better roster. And because Mahomes is
making a ton and Justin Herbert's making a ton, there's
gonna be limit Haitians on the Chargers Chiefs roster. The
way to win that division is you get a bow
Knicks or you move down and you hit in your
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draft picks, and after this year dead cap, you start
loading up. You hit on some draft picks and you
start loading up in the roster because you got some space.
It's not easy, by the way, you got sick. You
can't do it this year, even when you draft the
quarterback because of the Russell Wilson thing. But when you're
in a division with a Josh Allen or a Patrick
Mahomes or a Justin Herbert, you know, an elite quarterback,
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you're not gonna get a better quarterback. You're out of that. Okay,
there's only about seven. Got Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. Good
luck Cleveland, good luck Pittsburgh. But what you can do.
That's why Pittsburgh went on Russell Wilson and Justin Fields.
They're free, they're essentially cheap. So Pittsburgh's like, Okay, we
can build a better roster than Cincinnati and Baltimore. We
won't be as good at quarterback. But I wouldn't be
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surprised if Pittsburgh doesn't draft another quarterback this year, because
once you get into division and you have a Lamar Jackson,
a Josh Allen or a Patrick Mahomes or a Herbert
with Harbaugh, you're not going to get a better quarterback
than that. There's like five, at any one time in
my life, there's five to six great quarter indisputably Mahomes, Lamar,
Josh Allen, Matt Stafford Burrow when he's healthy. I think
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Herbert with hardball, you're gonna go six.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Seven guys tops my whole life.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You get six, and if you don't have it, the
way to do it is get a B quarterback to
B plus or a minus on a rookie contract and
spence spen, spen, spen, spend, spend, spend. That's how you got.
Jared got for the Super Bowl. The minute you paid him,
you had to get a different quarterback. Hour two is
coming up. I'll make my NBA picks. Bruce Feldman.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Two.
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultzen
for JAMAC today from Bleacher Report. He is an NFL
insider and we loved having you on a couple of
weeks ago. You crushed it. We're having you back. This
is an interesting time of the year, so draft everybody.
A lot of the stuff out there right now, Jordan,
is a false information. People are throwing stuff out there.
(00:55):
You know this. I remember years ago Mel Kayper telling
me he never got more manipulated than last week before
the draft. Everybody's sending out stuff. NBA playoffs have already
sort of begun with a play in tomorrow. Lakers, Nuggets,
so you picked a good time to come back to
the show.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm thrilled to be back.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
What if Bill Belichick say it's not until the final
twelve hours that you really get the actual information that matters.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That's correct. Now, that's can still me.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You're gonna manipulated the final twelve hours. But that's when
the best information comes out. So until then, it's lying season.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, lying season. So Lebron James and the Lakers primetime
tomorrow night start their series against Denver. So you know,
Denver's the preempt to favorite. They swept the Lakers last
year in the Western Conference Finals. So when I suggested
a week ago, you know, maybe the Lakers could rest
Lebron ad in that first game and you know, end
up facing Oklahoma City, who they match up with really
(01:49):
well and had beaten several times this year instead of Denver. Colin,
you can't duck ya. You can you can do that.
There are better matchups. But it wasn't just about losing
the series potentially to Denver. It's about the repercussions of
losing the series to Denver. Lebron has options after the year,
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and right now he's easily the team's best playmaker like easily.
So Lebron's career has always been under a microscope. We
all know that. So he gets swept by Denver and
then he gets swept again by Denver and DeAngelo Russell
again has a mediocre to bad series. What's the fallout
for the Lakers. What's the fallout for Lebron? Because Denver's
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not going anywhere. They're still pretty young, a lot of
players in their prime, and I think Jokic is actually
getting more efficient. And Lebron, if they get swept or
lose in five, is going to say to himself, let's
see here, we don't match out, we can't beat them.
They have more players in their prime, I'm getting older.
What's the fallout for that? He's gonna say to himself,
(02:52):
I need a new coach, start over again, id new
teammates outside of ad So Oklahoma City would have been different.
If you beat Oklahoma City in a six to seven
game series, regardless of what happens after, there would be hope,
There would be optimism. In a year that ends and
Lebron has options, Lebron would be saying, we can live
(03:14):
with Darvin Ham. I like this roster. Maybe move d
Low we just need tweaks. That's a different offseason than
getting swept again or losing in five to Denver. And
now the upside to getting whacked by the Nuggets is
it may force Raw Polinka and Genie Buss to absolutely
have to go get Trey Young for Atlanta, regardless of
what you have to give up. So there is a
(03:35):
ray of sunshine if you get clobbered. And I think
the Lakers match out with Denver, but I don't see
him closing out games in this series. But there's gonna
be repercussions here if you get swept again. And Lebron's
got all sorts of options and Draymond Green loves him
and hangs out with them and vacations with him, and
Steph Curry and Klay Thompson could certainly use another KG
(03:58):
veteran to score twenty four. Steph needs somebody next to
him that consistently can score twenty three to twenty four. Yeah,
I think that's Lebron. So it's not just just facing
Denver losing again. What are the repercussions of that. I
think they're substantial, with the only good side being you
get whacked and Trey Young is absolutely a Laker next
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year because Jeanie and Rob Palinka know lebron will put
the heat on him. That's what he does. So as
the draft the line season, as Jordan calls it, George
Peyton told the Athletic Great subscription service that the Denver
Broncos may move up and take a big swing. And
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you know it's interesting about the NFL. It's such a
situational league. So we all knew this. You know this
too most of the time. Andrew Luck being an exception,
you're about as good as where you land. Do you
get the right coach, the right coordinator, the right old line,
you're as good as where you land. Virtually nobody can
overcome nonsense. So that's very true. We all know it.
(05:00):
But here's something else. Even if you're a great coach,
you have to get a top quarterback or you get fired.
Pete Carroll loses Russell Wilson in his prime. Pete Carroll
before Russell Wilson in his prime been fired three times,
and you Reid got fired. Bill Belichick went from goat
to inept. So not only do quarterbacks have to land
on the right spot, coaches have to get the right
quarterback so they get fired. So we know Sean Payton's
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a good coach. Think about this. Not only were the
Saints three and thirteen before he arrived there, but the
New Orleans Saints had one playoff win in thirty nine
years before Sean Payton he arrived. In fifteen years, they
won the division half the time, seven times. We know
he can coach. He's probably the best play caller with
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Andy Reid in the sport in a decade. But when
he took this Broncos gig, and I remember it because
he and I were talking a lot and then all
of a sudden he wouldn't return my calls. So I thought, Okay,
he's taking the gig and it was Denver, and my
first thought was, Ooh, here's a lot to unwrap with
that job. It's not your GM, you got new owner,
(06:06):
old line's a bit of a mess. Andy Reid mahomes
in the division and what do you do with that
Russell Wilson deal. Yes, that's a lot, right, and we
know he can coach. Seven division titles fifteen years Saints
were three and thirteen Seawan arrived. Division titles followed. They
were the laughingstock of the league. Not for a year
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for thirty nine years, they couldn't win when they had
Archie Manning, who is more athletic than Peyton and Eli combined.
So now it's one year later for Sean Payton. Here's
where we're at, sixty seven million dollars in dead cap
money and the only way they can get a top
two to three quarterback is to give up massive draft
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draft capital. That's where they're at. Oh, by the way,
Justin Herbert just got Jim Harbaugh. Mahomes still has any read.
This division now looks like it's as good as anything
outside of the Raiders. So you know, it's it's funny
about Sean Payton. There's no no question he can coach.
(07:13):
But think about the two best job openings. You can
usually see what's a really good job opening in the
last let's say eight to nine years, what have been
the two best job openings Aaron Rodgers in his prime,
Matt Leafluur gets it, and then the Cowboys were a
really good roster and Mike McCarthy got it. Well, what
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did what did Matt Lefluur do? Thirteen wins? Thirteen wins?
That well, what did Mike McCarthy do twelve wins? Twelve wins,
so you can see what a great job is. That's
why everybody, including Vegas DraftKings is saying, yeah, the Chargers
over unders about ten and a half. They're gonna be
really good, really fast. They got a left tackle, they
got a quarterback, they got two edge rushers right like
(07:55):
you can see, they got draft picks. You can see
the good jobs. This was not a good job.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Peyton's brilliant, and the Saints were in much worse shape
than Denver, and the dead cap money for the Broncos
is only for a year, and they got a few
third round picks and a couple fives. They don't have
a second round pick. They got to get another weapon.
They don't have enough weapons. Raiders right now have better weapons.
They need more weapons. They got to get a quarterback.
(08:23):
My take is that Sean is going to go sort
of revert back to after a difficult first year. What
worked in New Orleans, well, what turned it all around
was Drew Brees. And the one quarterback in this class
that feels like Drew Brees to me is bow Nicks
a little shorter than you'd like. Not a gun, not
a howitz or as an arm, a lot of college starts,
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super productive, won a lot of games, super dedicated, and
moves better than people think. So my prediction is Denver
will either stay at their spot and get a bow Knicks,
maybe a little bit of a ree, maybe they move
up one or two spots to get a JJ McCarthy.
But it does illustrate once again, it not only is
(09:09):
about where do you land as a quarterback, but even
as a top coach, if you don't solve the quarterback thing,
you're done. And like, this is a good quarterback draft
and next year is not a good quarterback draft class.
So Denver's in a very precarious situation with a great
coach who took a difficult job. And this is how
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hard it is that Herbert now getting Harbaugh changes everything.
That changes everything. I can argue by the end of
this year will be saying this division, no division has
two better teams at the top than the AFC West
with KC and the Chargers can't wait for My guess
(09:50):
is Denver has a couple holes to fill. They got
to get an edge rusher, they got to get another weapon.
I think they need some depth, a corner and running
back safety. I don't see them moving up, and I
do think bow Nicks and Michael Pennix will both be available.
But you can't go too far back because the Raiders
(10:10):
are right behind you and they need a quarterback, and
they may like bo Nicks. So your gut feeling right now,
Caleb one, Jaden Daniels two, that's what I've heard. What
have you heard?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Absolutely? But then you have Drake May.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Then you have JJ McCarthy, who, depending on who you
talk to, you might get an entirely different answer.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
McCarthy the winning.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Pedigree, the upside as a as an athlete, a former
hockey player, the toughness. All he does is win two
state titles, a national title in high school at IMG,
a national title, third winning this college quarterback ever.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
And then you have Drake May, the.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Upside through the roof, big tall move.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, you talked a couple.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Weeks ago, justin Herbert type of talent, but a little
bit more raw, maybe a little more green.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And then bow.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Nicks sixty three career starts, and then Michael Pennix in
Indiana They're horrible, gets them to number seven in the country,
takes Washington to the national championship.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Always twenty four years old. Well, so is Bo Nicks.
Breeze was twenty three. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can you play?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Those guys can all play? In my opinion, I think
they're all really good.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I don't know if Knicks quite has the same ceiling,
but there's a lot of Really there's a lot to
be said about a high floor and a guy that
can play pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh yeah, Bo Knicks can play. First week, there's no question.
Sixty one, sixty two, sixty three College starts.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
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Speaker 1 (11:37):
All right, NBA playoffs have begun. Warriors are already out.
They're the last dynasty the NBA had Denver has potential
to be a dynasty. But they'd have to win again
Knicks this year, and they'd have to be close next year.
So the Warriors have been the talk of the league
and the ratings driver in the NBA for the last
ten to twelve years. And it's kind of over, sort
of over. Is it over? We're not sure if it's over.
(12:00):
Steve Kerr addressed Clay Staff, Draymond rebuilding the roster.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
Rarely is it storybook, you know, I mean even the
ninety six or ninety eight Bulls. You know, the team
was broken up and we won the championship in our
last year, but there was a documentary about what a disaster.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
The whole thing was.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
It's impossible for this stuff to, you know, to end perfectly.
I do think there is a lot of value, as
I just said to Tim and in you know, our
three guys being Warriors for life. I really want to
see all of them, you know, finish their careers here.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, I mean that that storybook. But the here's the
truth about it. Go look at the last five years
for the Warriors. You got one title. I'll get to
that in a second, but three times you missed the
playoffs in five years, and once you were out in
the seventies half the second round. Right, So, and let's
go to let's deep dive the championship season, because I
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would argue a lot went your way. You were a
veteran team, Steph Draymond, Clay Wiggins, the redemption Tour for
Wiggins with one of the best coaches ever, Steve Kerr.
But in round one you faced the Nuggets, yeah, Jamal
Murray was hurt and Michael Porter had a torn acl
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Those weren't the Nuggets. No two g's with that Nuggets team,
they just weren't. No Porter, no Jamal Murray. Next round
you beat Memphis, immature Memphis. Their best player was twenty
two year old Jahn Morant who unraveled. The next round
you beat Dallas. That was twenty three year old Luca
with no number two option, no Kyrie, okay, and then
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you beat the Celtics, and it looked like first few
games in that series, Boston was better, but they were kids.
Tatum was twenty four. So you faced young Luca, young
jaw Denver without Murray or Porter, and young Jason Tatum.
These guys were just not ready for prime time yet.
Now the Celtics appear to be Denver's at full straight.
Forget Memphis, now seize the young better team. But I
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think when you really step back and look at it,
five years they've missed the playoffs three times. It's hard
to miss the NBA playoffs. It really is. Now the
West is better than the East. It's tough. The stars
all aligned for the championship series, and that happens. It's
not like they didn't earn the rest of them beating
the very best teams at their best, but that was
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the run where they were facing kids and a Denver
team that fell apart physically. So four of the five
seasons indicate you got to have a reboot here. You
can't be bringing the band back together. They're not ready
for a world too. Or they can give you one
good night. They can give you one great night at
the Sphere in Vegas. They're not a world tour anymore.
They just don't have the legs. There's Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
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Speaker 4 (15:05):
All right, Colin, let's start in the NFL. Last time
I was here, the Texans and Bills had a blockbuster trade,
sending wide receiver all pro Stefan Dix to Houston.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Josh Allen now loses his.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Top target from each of the last four seasons, and
yesterday he talked about the move.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
It's definitely definitely hard to part ways with a guy
that's been very instrumental in our success here over the
last four years, and obviously I wish we can keep everybody.
You know, we've made a lot of changes this offseason
lost a lot of veteran leadership, Steph being one of them.
I guess that's the nature of the business and going
into year seven now it's just kind of is what
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it is. You know, I don't I don't get paid
to make changes on the team. I pay to be
the best quarterback that I can be and try to
lead the guys on this team.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Colin Brandon Bean, the GM of the Bills, said we
could still have success with a true number one wide receiver.
Remember Gave Davis also gone good player, so right now,
really they're top targets are.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Dalton Kincaid, Yeah, good young tight end. And Khalil Shakira
at a Boise State.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah. I don't. I think a star number one receiver
is a bit overrated. So I could argue that the
Randy Moss Patriot teams, that's the only group that didn't
win titles. That's true, right, Like those are the great teams.
I think sometimes when you have a star receiver, you know,
you got to give star receivers attention and touches. I mean,
the best receivers in the league right now Davonte Adams
(16:34):
right at now, and he's vocal, So I don't think
you have to have a number one receiver. I think
what you have to have is multiple receivers who are
at least in the two space. T Higgins, Puka Nakua,
maybe a one, but that kind of player. So I
can argue if they if they drafted two receivers and
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they both became really solid twos, you can win a
Super Bowl. You can't as currently constructed and get into
many shootouts in the AFC. And remember the AFC is
gonna be different. Aaron Rodgers back, Justin Herbert, great coach,
Joe Burrow back, Aaron Rodgers back. So last year was
the year Kansas City had no offensive firepower average seventeen
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points a game in the regular season. That's all going
to change that. So last year was the opening Baltimore,
by the way, all their young talent, all their young
receivers probably get better. So I think it's one of
these things. And your receiver running back. Cornerback is a
position you can draft and guys can hit immediately. Either
you can run arout and get open or not. You know,
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cornerback either you can cover a guy in the edge
or you can So I do think what they need
is available productions available immediately in the draft at wide
receiver and corner. But you got to hit on them.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, they picked late in the first I wouldn't be
surprised if they moved up a little bit to get
another receiver. I think they're going to take two receivers
in this class. To your point, but just for reference,
defon diggs on a hundred plus catches eleven hundred plus eight
plus tds.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
In each of his four seasons. I mean that's all.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Bro and the gap between him and Gabe Davis substantia.
And now he's gone, so you you really have one
Number two to.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Cheat is basically a slot. Yeah, big slot.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
He's gonna be really good. Yeah, James Cook can catch
the football on the backfield, but they need more.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And the whole point of saying, oh, well, Mahomes lost
Tyreek kill, I'm not. I love Josh Allen, but Mahomes
the Unicorn. He's the best maybe we've ever seen. So
I'm not ready to say that's just gonna happen again.
Second story, the NFL Draft. We are less than a
week away.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Jim Harbos Chargers hold the fifth overall pick. Next week.
They have been viewed as a strong trade down candidate
throughout the draft process.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yesterday, their new GM Geortiz discussed the factors that.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Would go in to such a trade.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
They have to make it attractive for us to move
away from those players, you know, the whole it's a
fair trade, it's a wash. I don't think that's a
trade that we're interested in. We believe we have the
first pick of the draft. I know there's going to
be four picks that go before us, but we believe that,
you know, and the four quarterbacks go. We believe strongly
that we have the first pick of the draft. So
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what are teams willing to give us to Obviously we
know it's the fifth pick and people are going to
be trading on that, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Scope, But yeah, it's got to.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Be a good value for us. Yeah. They they have
taken several calls. They have yet to get I'm told
and off they have taken calls. I still think Minnesota
went and got the twenty third pick in the first
So I think Minnesota giving them only moving down to
eleven getting another first, they would probably demand a next
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year first, which again if Minnesota, which is a pretty
stacked offensive roster would give up another first I think
they'd be fine because that first pick usually is best
served getting a great edge rusher or a quarterback. Sure,
otherwise you can get a lot of the great line,
great tackle. Yeah, but most positions in this league there's
a lot of talent, like quarterbacks, left tackles, you know that, cornerstones, Yeah,
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those are Those are a lot of top twelve picks.
So I think Minnesota is the team to look at.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Your Tis comes from Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Their entire organization is built really on trading back in
a draft, acquiring more draft capital. They're you know, they're
at five now, the Chargers, I wouldn't be say I'm
gonna throw a team out there.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I wouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Surprised if potentially they did business with the Jets, who
are at ten and I know want another wide receiver
for Aaron Rodgers. Joe Douglass goes way back in Baltimore
with Ortiz, so that's something to maybe watch out for.
To your point, they got to be wowed to trade
back fifth pick.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It's pretty valid.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Denver and the Raiders may move up, but they're in
the same division, so you're not going to give massive
draft Capital to a division rival. So it feels like Minnesota,
Arizona's got two first round picks, but they're above them
in the draft, so they don't want to do that.
So the teams that have two first round picks, Chicago
doesn't need to, Arizona doesn't need to, Minnesota does potentially.
So I mean, if Drake May goes third and New
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England takes a quarterback, then so I think Minnesota is
gonna sit there and it's all situational. They're just Minnesota's
gonna sit there and go, Okay, it's one of these
guys fault. But if Drake May, if it goes Caleb
Jayden Daniels, Drake May, and all of a sudden, Minnesota's like, okay,
now we're not gonna mess around. We know that the
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Giants can take a quarterback that we know Arizona won't.
We know the Chargers don't. But I think Minnesota is
just gonna wait. Now, if Drake May starts falling, I
think Minnesota just stays put, stays put and says we
may not have to go up to five.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
If it telling I could jump then.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Potentially, but I think you sit and sit and wait.
You know, maybe the Giants.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Is this It's Giants are I feel like it's receiver
for them? I do if today I would say that
would be my lean at six you know.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And finally, uh NBA Playoffs, where the Clippers and MAVs
meet for the third time in five seasons. Kawhi Lyn
continues to deal with the knee injury and his status
for Game one on Sunday against Dallas is questionable. Colin,
the Clips have won the previous two playoff series versus
the MAVs, but Luca, Dantis and Dallas really really hot
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right now?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Well, what the MAVs have done, They've solved Luca has
solved the Kyrie drama, and they're also playing real defense,
which was always the huge issue. Luca's become a better defender.
So I'm gonna take Dallas in this series. Top of
next hour, thirty two minutes from now. I'm gonna make
my NBA Playoff picks soup to nuts, top to bottom,
basement to penhouse all the way through. Don't I feel
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like right now the Clippers are a little lost. Yeah,
and the Mavericks have found everything they need, So I
don't necessarily think the last two weeks of the season.
You got to be careful about NBA winning streaks late.
Some teams are tanking and other teams are resting their stars.
They're veteran stars. So when teams get really hot, like
the Sixers got really hot at the end with mbid, well,
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who are you playing? How many are real wins? But
Dallas has been playing well since you know, like January, Yeah, Febuary.
So that's a whole different ballgame. They've found a rhythm.
And I'm gonna take Dallas doing this thing in six
I got five. I wouldn't shocked by it. Jordan with
a news.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's
the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You know, it's funny. People generally don't like change. They
freak out. I'm old enough to remember when we change
the speed limit to fifty five to sixty five miles
an hour. Everybody freaked out in this country. Everybody's gonna die. Well,
car manufacturers built better cars, and car deaths actually went down.
(23:35):
We do this legalized pot. It's gonna ruin everything. Now
it made some revenue for states. We're all gonna be okay.
Same sex marriage, Eh, this that we're all gonna be okay.
People don't like change, and to a much lesser degree,
those are not analogous with sports, but to a much
lesser degree it's the same in sports. Transfer portal's gonna
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ruin everything. Nil is gonna ruin everything. It's not, I
would say the transfer portal frankly, it's a little overrated. LSU,
Colorado and USC leaned on it heavy. It didn't really
work for any of them. So Dion Sanders has had
fourteen players and counting transfer out of Colorado in the
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recent weeks, including a five star corner from Florida Cormani McLain.
And So, what I have learned over the last couple
of years watching the transfer portal, ninety percent of the
players you either lose or you get have no impact,
Just like fifty five to sixty five. There's no real impact,
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just get places faster. The kids that enter the transfer portal,
especially those that enter it more than once, they're not
really leaders. They're not foundational pieces. They're guys that are
unhappy somewhere or want to get happier somewhere else, and
they have the right to do that. But it's almost
like you can make money day trading on Wall Street.
(25:00):
But you're better buying stocks and holding them investing in
your four oh one k get rich quick schemes. Day
trading doesn't really work. Lots of movement, it doesn't really work.
It's not the volume of moves. It's making some really
smart quality moves and holding in the stock market. Lincoln
Riley's been at USC now what we two and a
half three years. They've had over thirty five I mean,
(25:23):
I don't even know how many players. It's got to
be over thirty five or forty transfers in and out
of the program. Minimum could be fifty. They've had one
great player Caleb Williams, and one excellent player Jordan Addison
of fifty moves, guys leaving coming, going stand fifty moves,
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one superstar quarterback and a really good NFL receiver. That's it.
Everybody else not a foundational piece, not a team leader,
not turning losses into wins. Some of them are nice players,
half have zero impact Ohio State. I mean, this is
the transfer portal Ohio State, top three football program most
(26:05):
of my life in America. I think they're going to
win the NATI this year. Lost a quarterback a starting
quarterback because he wasn't guaranteed the starting job the next year,
had a chance, probably a favorite to win it, but
wasn't guaranteed. He went to Syracuse, a basketball school Ohio State.
To Syracuse, Hello, Hello, pick up the white courtesy Vhone.
(26:27):
I don't get well, Hello, what's going on here? Because
he wasn't guaranteed he was going to start. And I'm
not blaming the kid. He wanted to start. You gotta start,
got to get reps to get to the NFL. But
Dion Sanders has a really good sales pitch. But most
kids want to play semi close to home. So if
you convince a Florida kid, hey, come out to Colorado
mountains are beautiful and all of a sudden the winter
(26:48):
it's cold. Missus mom and dad, missus friends. You know.
I mean, if you were hiring somebody, ask yourself. Let's
say you start a small company. You start hiring people,
wouldn't you be a little suspicious if you looked at
a resume and had five jobs in seven years? Why
can't they stay anywhere? I've talked to coaches about this.
If a player has already transferred once, they're very very suspicious.
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If he's already transferred twice, it's like, no thanks. Hard
pass coaches are like, if a kid's already transferred twice,
he wants to transfer a third time, you got You're
just inheriting a problem. You're just bringing a problem into
the program. And again, I am for mobility, I am
for the transfer portal, But like any change in society,
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fifty five to sixty five miles an hour legalizing pot,
everybody freaks out. And the transfer portal. You know, if
you go look at who won the national title last year,
it was Michigan. And do you know why Michigan won
the national title? Those offensive and defensive lines, those were
built through high school recruiting and playing week after week,
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game after game, year after year together. Wasn't JJ McCarthy.
It was that old line all NFL guys and that
D line, and those were overwhelmingly built through high school
recruiting and playing together for years. Here was Dion this
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week on the portal.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
What happens with the portal?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Man?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
And you guys need to know a lot of people
are fighting for backups. When a guy's a starter and
he transfers, you got to really think about that, I mean,
is he really that. I don't know how many starters
have really transferred around the country. I think we got
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some coming in from visits pretty soon, maybe even this weekend.
But we can attract those type of players. But I
don't think we're losing those type of players. And if
we do, we're good.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
We're all gonna be okay. Foundational pieces, leaders, stars, they
mostly stay where they're at. If they have a little trouble,
have to fight, climb up hill, they'll do it. That's
why they're leaders.
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Speaker 1 (29:43):
So NBA Playoffs this weekend. A lot of people like
the Knicks over the seventy six ers. I think Philly's
got a really good roster. I think they have two
stars m beat in MAXI the next have one. I
also think they have length a bench. They're playing really,
really well right now. I think the Knicks are really
jail brunts independent. You don't have to have great teams
to have a great series. Great drama comes out of
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two evenly matched teams. Pacers Bucks, I think it's gonna
go seven games, nixt Sixers. I think it's gonna go
six to seven games. I'll take Philadelphia at the top
of the hour. I'll make all my picks. I think
Phoenix Minnesota is a fantastic series. Phoenix matches up well
with the Tea Wolves beat him three times this year,
all double digits. So again, you don't have to have
a great team to have a great series. There's some
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really tasty first round matchups. And with that, Albert Riera
is joining us live Monday morning. Quota back. Okay, so
the talk today, Elliott Wolf, who's sort of the facto
GM now for the Patriots, as saying, hey, we'll do anything.
I think there's two schools of thought, one of them
being just get your quarterback in house. Just get him,
you don't have to play him. But there may not
be another Drake May next year, and there's an argument
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to be made there won't be right now. So your
take you're feeling on what New England's gonna do, well,
there are a.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Lot of voices in that room, and I would say
there's some port for JJ McCarthy, their support for Drake May.
And I think one thing that's sort of telling is
the Michael Pennocks thirty visit. They had him in a
few days ago, and that was a late add Initially
the Patriots had planned to just have the three in
JJ McCarthy, Jaden Daniels and Drake May. And you might
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ask what's the significance of the timing of adding Michael
Pennix to the list? Well, and my understanding is they
did that to prepare themselves for the chance they could
trade down. I don't think it's a likelihood right now, Colin,
but they're trying to kind of put each potential possibility
up against one another. You know, Minnesota, I think is
a team that could come up for Drake May. The
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Giants are a team that could come out for Drake May.
So I feel like pretty good that Drake May is
going to go third overall. I think the likelihood is
it to the Patriots, but I wouldn't rule out a
team with the Vikings or Giants coming up for him either.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Okay, Sean Payton's in year two, He's got sixty million
dollars in dead cap space, and they need a quarterback.
Bo Nick's probably available at you know, twelve. You could
probably move back a couple slots and probably still get
him at fourteen fifteen. Maybe a lot of people see
him late for a shorty second round player. But to me,
now that Herbert has Hardball and Mahomes still has Andy Reid,
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you've got to get a quarterback. You got to get
a quarterback, and you've got to get a quarterback because
you're paying those guys. If you get a quarterback and
you're not paying him for four years, then you can
build your roster against the Chargers and against the Chiefs.
So to me, what you've got to be able to do.
You got to win the roster because you're not going
to find the Mahomes or Herbert probably at the twelve spot.
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What do you think the Broncos do?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So here's what's complicated a by the Broncos position is
that they for the next two years, they're still going
to be carrying pretty heavy cap charges for Russell Wilson.
What does that mean, Well, that basically cancels out the
opportunity to have the rookie contract advantage with your young quarterbacks.
So if they draft the quarterback this year, then over
the next two years, they really won't have the built
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in advantage of having that young quarterback on the rookie contract.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So do you delayed a year. That's something they've talked about.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
You know, I think in the end, this really comes
down to how Sean Payton himself sees the prospects. You know,
obviously they're going to be out of range to get
Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels and probably Drake may too,
but they've done work on the other guys. They sent
a contingent Sean Payton was part of that contingent, Dan
Arbor to work out JJ McCarthy. On top of that,
they had Michael Pennison for a thirty visit. A lot
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of people in the league think that if bon Nix
is going to go in the first round, it would
have to be to Denver. I don't know if I
agree with them being the only team that might be
in that mix. I think the Rams could be a
sneaky team for Nicks as well, you know, But like
I do, think it's something that they're considering and turning
over rocks on. And to some degree, we're all prisoners
of our own history. And I know the experience of
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twenty seventeen does stick with Sean Payton. That year he loved, love, love, loved,
and I'm sure he's told you this. Colin Patrick Mahomes,
and they were sitting there at eleven, thought they were
going to get him. Andy Reid winds up trading up
from twenty seven to ten, steals them out of their laps.
They wound up with marsh On A. Lottimore, a good player.
But if Mahomes is the eleventh pick to New Orleans,
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Sean Payton might.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Still be there.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So you know, if there's a guy he loves, I
don't think he'll be shy about being aggressive to go
and get that guy. And they are doing the work
on all the guys outside of Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels.
I think this will really ride on Sean Payton's quarterback evaluation,
and I don't think they'll view it as the end
of the world if there's not one that they're motivated
to move up for.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
So teams like the Giants are fascinating because I think
they could do seven or eight things. Minnesota feels like
the team that's poised to move up. Offensively, They've got
their tackle, their back for a year, their quarterback, their weapons,
their tight end. You know, they could use maybe another
edge rusher, but you can get those as a good
edge rusher draft. Everybody in the league could use another
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corner again, plenty of those. Is there a team to
you most poised to move up? It feels like Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Right, Yeah, So four teams have investigated moving up there
in the quarterback market. You know, I mentioned the Giants.
You know, I think it would be for May if
they moved up. You mentioned the Vikings. The Raiders have
investigated it. I don't know that that happens. That might
be more Jayden Daniel specific. And then the Broncos have
kicked tires on it as well. So those would be
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the four teams I would look at, you know, as
potential to move up for a quarterback. But they're not
the only teams that have investigated moving up. There are
some teams that are looking at the idea of moving
up for offensive skill players. Indianapolis at fifteen, Jacksonville at seventeen.
Those teams could move up for receivers. Indy could move
up for brock Bowers. So I think because of the
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offensive talent at the top of the draft, you could
see some movement with some teams going up, not just
for the quarterbacks, but yes about the quarterbacks specifically. I
think a lot of that movement's they're going to ride
on whether or not New England sticks at three and picks.
I think the likelihood again is they stick at a
three pick a quarterback, and if that happens, of course
the value of the fourth pick for Arizona goes up.
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The Cardinals right now, my understanding is they're driving a
pretty hard bargain for that fourth overall pick, and I
think the Chargers would be open to trading at six
as well. So I think there's gonna be a good
amount of movement a week from to night. The quarterback
movement could hinge on what happens at three, and then
I think later in the top ten, you could have
some movement for some of the skill guys.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
By the way, why did it leak this week that
Belichick's interested in the Cowboys? Why did that suddenly? Was
that because Belichick was getting clobbered in the documentary.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Good Man Good reporters Seth and Don and Jeremy did
a nice job with that story, right like. So I
don't know that. I think that's more a result of,
you know, weeks of work by those guys, I would say,
but it is interesting that all three of those teams
are in the same division. I know Bill wants to coach,
you do, so you know, the idea of getting him
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out there in the twenty twenty five market if you're
in Bill's can't make sense because it can material effect
materially affect the way a season goes. I mean, look,
if you have three teams in the same division, right like,
not all those teams can win it, and someone's probably
going to be outside of the playoffs looking in, and
all three of those teams feel like they should be
in the playoffs in twenty twenty four. So it puts
(37:18):
pressure on the guys in those spots. Of course. Brian
Dave all Nick Sirianni and Mike McCarthy, and at the
end of the day we talk about, you know, Belichick's market, Well,
pressure inside those cities to make a move on Bill Belichick,
to go get Bill Belichick, you know, can't affect the
way you know, a guy's market goes. And so you know,
(37:40):
certainly something I think we'll all be watching. I view
it as similar to Sean Payton being unemployed, you know,
a couple of years ago, you know, the side the
year he was sitting on the sideline, we were all
speculating on where he was going to go in twenty
twenty two, right, I think it'll be the same sort
of thing with Bill this fall, where he hovers over
a couple of jobs where where guys are on the
(38:00):
hot seat.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, good stuff, Albert your money money quarterback? Thanks Albert
as Owas all right, thanks cong Yeah, there's very rarely
is there a great job? The Chargers job with Herbert
and all your draft picks now a couple fours, that's
a really high end job. Matt Lafleur getting Aaron late
in his prime, no chaos, good draft and developed franchise
Green Bay. Very good job. Cowboys' job for all the dysfunction.
(38:24):
You know, Dack's capable, good aging O line, Dallas, Jerry's
willing to spend money when he has it on the cap.
So those are three really good jobs. Most jobs aren't
good jobs. I mean, Washington Commanders have a new owner.
Your O line's bad, You're gonna go with the rookie quarterback.
I do think the way though, for Denver. You're not
gonna get a Mahomes or a Herbert where you're drafting,
(38:47):
and there may not be one in this draft except
Kayla Williams. So how do you beat those teams? You
beat them with a better roster. And because Mahomes is
making a ton and Justin Herbert's making a ton, there's
gonna be limit Haitians on the Chargers Chiefs roster. The
way to win that division is you get a bow
Knicks or you move down and you hit in your
(39:07):
draft picks, and after this year dead cap, you start
loading up. You hit on some draft picks and you
start loading up in the roster because you got some space.
It's not easy, by the way, you got sick. You
can't do it this year, even when you draft the
quarterback because of the Russell Wilson thing. But when you're
in a division with a Josh Allen or a Patrick
Mahomes or a Justin Herbert, you know, an elite quarterback,
(39:30):
you're not gonna get a better quarterback. You're out of that. Okay,
there's only about seven. Got Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. Good
luck Cleveland, good luck Pittsburgh. But what you can do.
That's why Pittsburgh went on Russell Wilson and Justin Fields.
They're free, they're essentially cheap. So Pittsburgh's like, Okay, we
can build a better roster than Cincinnati and Baltimore. We
won't be as good at quarterback. But I wouldn't be
(39:52):
surprised if Pittsburgh doesn't draft another quarterback this year, because
once you get into division and you have a Lamar Jackson,
a Josh Allen or a Patrick Mahomes or a Herbert
with Harbaugh, you're not going to get a better quarterback
than that. There's like five, at any one time in
my life, there's five to six great quarter indisputably Mahomes, Lamar,
Josh Allen, Matt Stafford Burrow when he's healthy. I think
(40:17):
Herbert with hardball, you're gonna go six.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Seven guys tops my whole life.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You get six, and if you don't have it, the
way to do it is get a B quarterback to
B plus or a minus on a rookie contract and
spence spen, spen, spen, spend, spend, spend. That's how you got.
Jared got for the Super Bowl. The minute you paid him,
you had to get a different quarterback. Hour two is
coming up. I'll make my NBA picks. Bruce Feldman.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Two.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
It's a Friday, Live in LA. It's the Herd.
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