April 23, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin explains why the Lakers continue to come up short against the Nuggets after losing a 20-point lead to fall behind 0-2 in the first round of the playoffs
The one constant thing in the 76ers playoff failures is Joel Embiid
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, it's a Tuesday, closer to the Draft, a
remarkable Round one NBA playoff night. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Nick.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Right Today, LSU football coach Brian Kelly stops by today, Jmac,
that was an old timer Nicks at home with the
Madison Square Garden crowd seemingly on the floor as this
as the players were on the floor light.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
That was an all time ending.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And uh and then the Lakers Nuggets. I said, yeah,
day in the show, Lakers losing over time. It was
almost that Lakers season was on the line. But those
were two great playoff games.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Great. I mean I was exhausted.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I had to go out and have a cigarette after
that first cigarette like twenty five years. I mean, it
was just an amazing night of sports coling.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So the Lakers this morning and last night, they want
to blame the refs. They want to blame the replay system. Okay,
Not the Lebron James sixteen seconds left missed wide open three.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Nah, that wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Or the fact that Anthony Davis had no points in
the fourth quarter, Darvin Ham couldn't dial up a player,
the fact that once again a Lakers starter gave you
a nothing burger ruey three points. Not that in the
last ten minutes the Lakers went away from the pick
and roll with Ad and Lebron. I think Lebron just
gets tired. No, the Lakers don't have the talent or
(01:57):
the versatility of Denver.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Last night. It's a great example.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Jokic did not play well in the first half, Murray
was awful in the first three quarters. But because of
their surrounding talent, they can keep it close and make runs.
These teams have played ten straight times. The games all
look the same, They're all close. We've said all year
Lakers aren't gonna beat them, but they match up with
them well. The difference is though last night, last nine
(02:25):
possessions for Denver. They scored on eight of them. Why
because Lebron and Ad in both games have had to
overcome a starter that gave you nothing. D Loo was
awful in game one and Ruey was awful in game two.
Jamal Murray wasn't good last night in the first three quarters,
but he was remarkable in the fourth. Jokic had a
(02:46):
rare bad half, but he was money in the second half.
Denver always wins this game because Denver, their two stars
can have a bad quarter, can have a bad half,
they don't have to be Jokis just lets the game
come to him. He doesn't press when things are going awry.
(03:06):
He's got Gordon and Porter and KCP. He doesn't have
to press. If Lebron doesn't get de Lo help, he's
got empty the tank. If AD doesn't get Ruey help,
he's got to empty the tank. And so I mean
again last night, Jokischin Murray didn't do anything in the
first half, but in the last nine possessions, Denver scored
(03:28):
in eight. And those are the crunch time numbers. That's
the best defense you'll face, that's the most pressure you'll face.
And this is what championship teams like Denver deliver. It's
not just that they have the best player in the world,
because Lebron and AD aren't far behind. It's the ability
for their star teammates, who often have bad halfs, to
(03:49):
still be brilliant, like Jamal Murray when you need him
deliver And in that fourth quarter, whereas Dlo was bad
the entire game one and Ruey was awful last night
the entire game, Jamal Murray as a star and three
bad quarters later, came in and sealed the game with this.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Mule make some moons one.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Now they're going to go back to LA. The games
will be close, the Lakers will empty the tank. But
this has been the most predictable series of all of them.
The Lakers matchup well. The Lakers have two stars, but
Lebron and a d are always have to overcome a
(04:50):
week bench, sometimes regrettable substitution patterns by Darvin Ham And
by the end of the game, what's AD have left
not much offensively? And here was a d when asked
about Murray's game winner.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Can you take us through that last play and just
what happened and what unfolded and what was I don't
know if you were screened or what happened on that
last play.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Jamal Murrion radershot.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, that sums it up. Jamal Murray hit a shot.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
What is the constant? Been in Philadelphia for eight years,
They've had multiple GMS. Nick Nurse is Embad's third coach.
We had the trial balloon with Ben Simmons, James Harden.
Now it's Tyrese, Maxey, Tobias Harris, draft picks, the process.
(05:44):
The constant is MBID and superstars. That's what he's been labeled.
He's a superstar.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I've got a higher standard. To be a superstar in
the NBA. You have to, you know, once win a
second round playoff series in the much much weaker Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I don't know, just one time.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
GMS coaches teammates Stars Simmons, Harden. Now he's got Maxie
and these Knicks, though Gutty are hardly the Shaq Kobe Lakers.
They're doing it on Guyle Moxie, toughness. They want it more,
they care more. That last sequence for the Knicks, it
was all desire and effort. I mean embiid first two games,
(06:27):
no rebounds in the fourth quarter through two games. Is
he ewing on the floor. What am I missing no rebounds?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Rebounds is an effort.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Staff Dennis Rodman wasn't skilled, Ben Wallace wasn't a world
class basket It's effort. Rebounds are effort. Embiid seven to
two superstar. Did Shaq ever have two games with no
rebounds in the fourth quarter through two? I don't think so,
did a Keem He has the talent, he doesn't shrink,
(06:59):
he has the sigh.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He lacks effort.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
If you go look at Joel Embiid's playoff career, his
numbers plummet in the fourth is plus minus, his field goals,
his rebound, everything goes down.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's effort. I understand.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Biggs get tired, Biggs get beat up. I get that.
But when Tyrese Maxi, with one h nine left, hit
a three, the score was one hundred and ninety six Philadelphia.
In fact, the Nix's next two possessions, they didn't get
a field goal.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It was their game now.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Kyle Lowry missed a free throw that was big, and
Jalen Brunson got a bit of a break on that
bounce on the three. Absolutely, But in the NBA, you're
a superstar if you win in April, May and June,
and you have a big personality. Kawhi doesn't, Jokic does it.
They're stars, but you're a superstar if you win in April,
May and June and you have a big personality. And
then BID's got plenty of personality. But I waited through
(07:50):
trust the process and Ben Simmons and James Harden and
now Tyree's Maxie and multiple coaches and Nick nurses the
third and multiple GMS and draft picks and moving in
the and I get the same thing, big games in
the East in the playoffs late, where's mbat? I just
didn't see the effort. I watched that last sequence. By
the next they were done, it was over. MAXI hits
(08:13):
a three. Next two times down under a minute, they
don't get a field goal.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And then it became rugby on the floor. Did you
have any doubt without balling on the floor the Knicks
would come up with it? Was there any doubt for
a second who was going to come up with the basketball?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Even even Genzo second three? It was about effort.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Nobody blocked out the next So here's Joel Embiid on
that crazy final sequence.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Everybody on the floor, was trying to call Tom mob myself,
including Nicole, coach Salon, but that didn't give it to us.
But you know, forget about of Tom. There's a bunch
of falls. Yeah, that's yeah. Like I said, un sucked
the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I keep hearing the Sixers last night in this morning
complained about and there was no time out. You know
what I saw, nobody blocking out, no f effort. That
last night was all about desire.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That game was over. Knicks were cooked.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
One hundred and ninety six, didn't score on their next
two possessions.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Game was over.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It's over MB no rebounds last first two games in
the series, fourth quarter. I mean, that was all effort,
all desire. These Knicks. Jalen Brunson is not playing well,
Julius Randall isn't available, and they're beating two stars in
this league, one that has been labeled a superstar. I
don't want to hear about timeouts. I don't want to
(09:32):
hear about time I don't want to hear about you
miss this, You missed it, I missed the effort. Where
is it? It is all on the Knicks. You can
watch a sporting event, you don't see this a lot
in hockey. You don't see a lot in baseball, but
you do see in the NBA some load management teams
wanting it more and more physicality. That was an effort win.
It wasn't a talent winn. Don't get me talent. Even
(09:53):
Jen Zones bounced around the league. It's not a talent thing.
That was an effort thing.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That was so much fun last night. You know, some
nights I just know I gotta I'm gonna stay home,
I'm gonna order out, and I'm gonna stay home. And
sometimes it's work. Sometimes I don't necessarily want to watch
a Thursday night football game on Amazon. Carolina Panthers involved.
Its work last night was not work. Last night is
why we do this job. Sitting home watching those games,
having a blast.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I mean, the Knicks game came out of nowhere. I
thought they were cooked, you know, down five.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
With Philly out played him for three quarters, Philadelphia for
two and a half quarters.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Was at Brunson, looked at Brunson is not having a
great start to the series.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, that's because they've relied on him so much much. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, I mean Brunson is to a large degree
looks he's lost his leg.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I think he's shooting twenty nine percent through TV, Like,
that's not the samele. I thought predictable. I thought the
series was over when the Knicks were down five.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I'm like, I don't know how you go to Philly
and steel won with no offense, but the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Would call it. I I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Know that I've been that gutted from a loss in
sports since maybe maybe the Jets in the AFC Championship
game way back when against the Steelers with Sanchez a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's how long it's been. Twenty point lead.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You gotta remember the twenty point lead was like sixty
eight to forty eight. You can build. People will say this, well,
Michael Jordan never lost twenty point leads.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
The three point shot totally ted Lee to open the
fourth column.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That that point is a couple bad possessions and they
hit two threes and you're down to four time out.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It's not a couple of bad possessions. Darvinham totally botched
the rotations. You can't start the fourth up ten on
the road season on the line with Dinwitty Jackson as
Gentrian prints on the court.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You cannot do im.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I text a bunch of Laker fans. They were like
all caps Darvin Ham, what do you you know?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Like?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But again they had the gate Jamal Murray, Jamal Murray's him,
he is him.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I mean that shot over a D, I say it was.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, I'll say this though a D the fact
that he didn't get top three in voting for defensive
Player of the Year, I would have voted him number one.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
He is.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Jokic has very few bad halfs. Yokich was irrelevant in
the first half. A D was AD and Jokic in
the first half. Ad may have played the best half
of basketball in a year by a big man.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Would you rather have a better second half than a
front would?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But when Ruey doesn't show up and it takes a
while for teammates, No d Lo in the first half
was money. But Anthony Davis just having to kind.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Of emptied the tank in the first half, fourth quarter,
he's that's what he shoots is one three pointer from
the quarter.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
AD, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Take him downtown? Take him inside a D. Zero points
in the fourth column. That was an emb like disappearing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I'll almost give Lebron an AD a little bit of
a break in the fourth because they're gassed because they
have to carry the team. Jolkich had a bad first half.
He wasn't gassed because he has people to pick up
for him, Gordon and Porter and KCP and eventually Murray.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Well Reeves chased around Murray. He had nothing ruey re guarding.
Jokic did a good job first half, right.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But one of seven offense, Like, it's just the Nuggets
are good man, Yeah, great team, by the way.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Forty five minutes now, we're going to take all the
potential first round quarterbacks and play the high low game.
What is their high comp? What if it doesn't work?
What is their low comp? It's a lot of fun,
you know, you put yourself out there. It's one of
my favorite segments of the year. We do it once
we take the quarterbacks. We play high low at the best.
What is Michael Pennix at the worst?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
What is Pennix? We'll play the high low game in
forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noone Eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, welcome back. More in the Lakers loss. Top
of next hour, forty minutes away, our game of high low.
We take all these first round quarterbacks at best, who
are they at worst?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
What does it become?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So yesterday during the show, the Jets traded Zach Wilson.
It was a miss number two pick, didn't like him
coming out of college. COVID quarterback didn't buy it. Jets
loved him miss, so they got a six rounder for him.
So here's the thing to think about. There's a message
(14:02):
in all of this. My wife always says, you're right
in life for your learning. You don't have to be wrong,
just learn from it. If you make the same mistake
over and over, then you're right and you're wrong. But
if you make mistakes but you learn from him, you're
right in life, and then you're learning. So the Jets
only got a sixth round.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Pick for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Justin Fields bears three years of starting, only got a
sixth round pick. Lots of losses and a sixth round
pick for Justin Field the fifteenth pick Mac Jones, a
lot of starts, only got a sixth round pick. How
in the world is it though, that Trey Lance, who
barely played and has less wins and talent than all
(14:48):
of them, arguably got.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
A fourth round pick. How is that possible?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Because San Francisco didn't get into their ego, their pride,
They weren't stubborn. They moved off him quicker, letting the
marketplace see less of him. The Niners, because they have
a brilliant offensive coach, made a lot of their evaluation
at practice, and they realized very early. I was told
(15:18):
he struggles with accuracy. You can't in this league teams
get into their ego.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Men as a general rule do this.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
They don't want to be wrong, so they doubled down
on it, trying to prove their right. As we say
on this show, get it right. Don't worry about being right.
We're all wrong all the time. San Francisco, with a
less talented quarterback, got actually a fourth round pickback. Fourth
round picks are good picks. A lot of starters in
(15:48):
this league that are fourth round picks. You get into
the sixth and the seventh round. A lot of special teams, guys,
low ceiling backups. And yet the Niners, who missed on
plenty of picks, just said, hey, we see it doesn't work.
Brought perties better in practice, we're moving on the seventh
(16:10):
round guys better than the first round guy. We gave
up picks for too many general managers in this league
in coaches are trying to protect their genius, protect their picks.
I mean the New York Giants that even worse to that.
They doubled down on Daniel Jones, which was a reach
as a pick, and then they paid him a small fortune.
That's unforgivable. That gets you fired. If the guys in
(16:32):
New York get fired, I mean you got to push
back on that. You got to go to the owner
and say, I'm not signing him. We'll keep Saquon Barkley.
I'm not signing him to that deal. But this is
a great example in a life message. Don't double down
on wrong to prove your right.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Get out of it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
By Thanksgiving of the second year, everybody in the league
knows if not for film during the games, film at practice.
You film all the practices. You have camps, you have exhibitions,
you have games against other teams that don't get televised,
you have exhibition games. If you can't tell if your
quarterback's a guy. By Thanksgiving of the second year, get
(17:14):
out of the league, go sell cars, do something else.
You can't do it. It doesn't take that long to
figure it out. And so the Niners they draft brought
Perty in. They're like, yeah, I mean, we already heard
the story. Kyle goes to the owner, He's better move
off him, salvage the pick, don't double down on stubborn,
Stop being trying to be right.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Get it right. Perty's better than Trey. Move him.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Maybe maybe Trey gets a second chance. But isn't it
interesting that the quarterback that has the fewest wins the
less time, I mean, appears to be somebody that really
is at this point not going to be a starter
at all, doesn't have a big win. Of note, they
got more for him, a legitimate pick. Here was Tom
(17:58):
Pellasorrow yesterday making the Zach Wilson trade on our show.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Just traded Zach Wilson to the Broncos. They are going
to send a twenty twenty four sixth round pick for
Wilson and a twenty twenty four seventh rounder. Teams are
going to divide up his bonus. You get him for
virtually nothing in terms of a late round pick swap.
The Jets are paying. I don't know the exact numbers,
but they're paying a significant amount of his training camp
roster bonus too, So this is a low risk flier
(18:25):
on a guy who a few years ago. I mean,
I had many coaches make the case to me that
Zach Wilson's take was better than Trevor Lawrence. If anybody
can hit the most out of Zach Wilson, it's going
to be Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
How about that? How about that? J Mack A great lesson.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's about getting it right, not being right. Niners weren't stubborn,
got more for less? J Mack with a news no, no, no,
turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
There's probably also an element of job security there, right,
Like the forty nine ers brass they're not going anywhere. Hey,
we screwed up the ti Ry Lancepik not no big deal.
Guys were winning games.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It's fine jets. Joe Douglas.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Why I don't want to ad mid I screwed up
with Zach Wilson. Probably a little more reluctant to deal
him right now. Job security, Let's be real. People are afraid.
They want to keep their jobs.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
They don't want to try new stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, I mean, general managers often don't get a second chance.
Good coaches do. I mean if Dave All will get
a second run, but gms don't. So it's yeah, I mean,
I just it is Trey Lance. Basically from when Kyle
Shanahan says, yeah, I can't save him.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
What does that tell you?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Kyle Shanahan made Matt shab a Pro Bowl or Matt
Ryan an MVP, brought party a fledgling star in the league.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Kyle's like like a dealer in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm out, Yeah, and they got a fourth form because
they didn't, let you see, they made evaluations in practice.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I wonder how Dallas Cowboys fans feel that they paid the.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Most for Well, I mean, there's definitely talent, that's not it.
But the key is he barely He played in San
Francisco and they got a four. And Shanahan's offensive history
would lead you to believe he just bailed.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I don't know he said.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You say he's got talent, really mean is trailing? It's
gonna make ten more starts in his NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
They don't know. I don't know, Yeah, talent, he probably would.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
All right, let's get started with the Kansas City Chiefs
three Super Bowl wins in the last five seasons, and
now Andy Reid is sticking around until twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He got a new contract extension, Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Have Chiefs have not announced the terms of the deal,
but he reportedly is going to be the highest paid
coach in the NFL. The Chiefs have also extended team
president Mark Donovan and GM Bretviach. Kansas City Chiefs fans
keeping the band back together.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
As they show a couple more super Bowl runs in them, probably.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
As they should. So much for Reid walking away, huh, Well,
he could have gone out on top. Well, they're still
on top.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Belichick, you could argue after Brady could have given it
a year and made Mac Jones a pro bowler, split
and said, hey, I didn't stay around, but I made
Mac Jones a pro bowler.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I think there's the Belichick Brady is more of. I'm
gonna prove I can do it without Tom. There's nothing
to prove, no.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So pride again gets in the way.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well, yeah, right, what pride you talk about on the
show for years? Who was more important, Belichick or Brady.
That's a normal conversation. I'm not surprising Belichick want to
stick around, are.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You No, I understand, but he was seventy and Tom
did win a Super Bowl somewhere else. You could have
sucked it up and said, this isn't a great look.
I think I'm gonna exit stage right. I mean again,
at practice. If you were watching it practice and you
watch Mac Jones and you had Tom, did you look
and evaluate and say, yeah, that's not Tom.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
But we got ourselves a guy one. Mac Jones was
kind of good.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But he was kind of bratty and wouldn't take to
hard coaching, and it turned off teammates, the opposite of Tom.
So if you evaluate and practice based on personality what
you see, could you have not said this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
That this might be a whole new generation of non
Tom Brady type quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Hard coaching.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What I say when I see these young quarterbacks, I
think they want to be coached. I think the young
athletes are great. I think they want to be co
I think all great athletes my entire life want to
be coached hard. There's a lot of posers out there
you think are great, and they're not. But every great,
every great athlete, you don't think those Alabama When you
go to Alabama Georgia, you think you're going to be
soft coached. When you go to Hardball, you think he's
(22:27):
gonna soft coach. The hardest coach is Tom is Oh
coaches the hell out of you. Mike Krzyzewsky, did these
kids want to be Bill self? Is no day at
the park? These guys coach hard Dan Hurley in Connecticut,
Like that's a serious, intense program and they get great players.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, the whole like coach hard thing.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Okay, So if they want to be coached hard, why
is any quarterback transferring if they're not playing after.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, because they're not out well, they're not playing. Yeah,
there's a difference between not sitting on the bench and
being coached hard.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Tom Brady sat on the bench with coach hard. He
was seventh on the depth chart, and that was a
different time. Get to New England, right, and he's third
string and.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You know he's not going to retire in the NFL.
You can argue Brady would have transferred in college. That's
certainly a fair argument, but I'm I will push back
as most kids transferring now are just not getting to play,
and they're saying I gotta get snaps to get to
the NFL. I totally get that, but I think overwhelming
I don't buy this that the new athletes don't want
(23:26):
to be coached hard they don't care. I think they
care more than anybody. I think they take care of
their bodies better than old athletes. Lebron takes care of
his body way better than Jordan.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But that's that's different than coached hard, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I think he Reid doesn't coach hard.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Oh Hill yo, and he's one of the last guys
that used pads. Andy coach is super hard, and he's
a barker and a yeller and like not mean, but
Andy is high volume.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Give me the give me the coach hard guys. Is
McVeigh coached hard.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Guy mcveigh's intense. I don't know if he's coaching hard.
I would say Shanahan doesn't screw around, You're gonna hit
it practice. Andy Reid coaches hard like Andy coach is hard,
but he's respected by the players because they want to
be coached hard.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think who else coach is hard? So when you
say all the college.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Guys, all the great college coach coaches, Coachan.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Hurley at yukon coach hard.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I think of Belichick undressing Brady in the film room
every week.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, that to me is coach hard.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
That almost felt if you listen to Patriot players that
almost got personal and petty. That's not coaching hard. That's
just not that's just being difficult because Tom doesn't want
to do everything you say.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, it's also telling everybody listen, I know he's the
golden boy, but I'm gonna come down on hard on him.
You know how I'm gonna come down on you. You're not
the golden boy. To me, that's coaching hard. The pad stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
But like, yeah, Andy Reid is not Andy Reid. Is
you think Andy Reid's destroying Patrick.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Mahomes And I think Andy. I know this because I
know people in the building. Andy is Andy is one
of the old school guys. And I say that affectionately, lovingly.
Is that Adney's not gonna no nonsense with Andy. If
you can't get it right, they move off you fast.
By the way, Brett Beach signs guys willing to be
co part of the whole Kansas City story here. Part
(25:14):
of their DNA is they draft guys that can be
coach hard. Because they're going to be coach hard.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Well, he's going to be around for a while. Next
up is Caleb Williams. He's going to be the number
one pick in the NFL Draft. We won't even mention
the odds, they're so astronomical. Expectations are very high. Caleb
is setting things even higher, saying he wants to chase
the legacy legacy and longevity Tom Brady had in New England.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Now that I want to play at one place for
twenty years and chase one guy number twelve. I want
to place the loves ball, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's all I've heard about.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Chicago so far, which is which is exciting for me
because LA was great. But there is probably double digits
of teams here and so I mean it's a lot
of it's a big pool of you know, so you
have to be winning championships, you have to be playoffs
every year to have you know, the fans and things
like that show up. And so one thing, you know,
(26:13):
if it was Chicago was a place that I've heard
that they love ball, which is really.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Exciting for me.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
It's something that I'm looking forward to and embracing.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Very excited.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Looks like a franchise quarterback. Sounds like it. I get
the attitude I want.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't know what else is he supposed to say there,
Like I think I want to bounce a round. You
know what. There is value in saying the right stuff. Yeah,
he said the right stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
A lot of guys get to that podium get a
little squirrely.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Not him. Yes, he said the right thing.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Final story is John Lynch had his annual pre draft
news conference yesterday and one of the big questions was
about Brandon Ayuk's contract situation. Speaking of saying the right thing,
John Lynch dispelled all the rumors about a potential trade here.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He is, yeah, all right, well, I guess we boughtched
the audio.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
But anyway, he said, I've communicated on many occasions. Our
wish is that he's here and part of the Niners
for the rest of his career. We're working through that.
I can say we're having good talks forty nine ers
in Ayuk and I'm just gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, I'm for the record, this stuff's not easy. This
is not easy stuff. I think it's a perfect time
to move him. I think they'll still consider it. But
Ayuk's gone public with it. He's gone to Instagram with it,
He's talked about it, which adds some contention contentious nature
to the talk. So it's not this isn't easy. I
(27:40):
still contend that there's so many receivers in these drafts.
You can get a first or a couple seconds for Ayuk.
I would consider moving him with Debo and Kittle and McCaffrey.
I think you have to consider Jennings by the way,
as can be productive as well. I think he's a
great player, but star wide receivers, they history is they
(28:02):
can wear people out over time, and as good as
Ayuke is, they may make an argument. I think if
Purdy was Josh Allen or Lamar or Mahomes was a
better quarterback was Stafford, they'd move off by you. I
think the feeling is they've got to protect perty with
as many weapons as they have because Detroit's coming, Green
Bay's coming, you know the Rams are coming. So I
(28:24):
think if you had a quarterback who they felt was
a top five level talent, you could move off. AU
can be fine with the weapons you have, But I
do think with Purdy there's a sense that, hey, listen,
we he's not gonna make up a lot of ground
if he's going toe to toe with Matt Stafford in
the playoffs, or Jordan Love in the playoffs, or Jared
Goff in the playoffs, or a super Bowl against Mahomes
(28:45):
Alan Lamar So, I think part of it is that
they don't They don't want to move him just because
of who the current quarterback is.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay, so how's this trade?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I'm just spitballing here, Carolina Panthers call up the Niners.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Oh, I would do it. They need a player so bad.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
They as the thirty third overall pick, not a first rounder,
and we'll give you a twenty twenty five to third,
So a second and a third. Now the second round
pick this year's number thirty three overall.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's almost basically a first. Would you do that for
a youth? So now you give.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm Carolina, and I have to figure out my Thanksgiving
if my quarterback can play.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Absolutely you have Deontay Johnson who you got from you?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, I have to figure out if Bryce Young can play.
You can't just get me Deontay Johnson. So for Carolina,
I would make that move in a second.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
In a second, Now, the Niners fans are surely going
to say we want a first, you know, try but
the thirty third pick overall and another pick.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Remember you got that you have to pay Ayuk. So
it's not you get the quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You still have to pay him. If I have to
pay and give you a first, that that works in
my favor. If I'm Carolina, I'm like, it'd be one
thing if I got him for free for two years first,
but I already have to put I have to pay
him like a superstar and give you a first. So
that works in Carolina's advantage. That's a big part of the
go ciation. You give me a pick, but do I
already have to pay the pick? So it doesn't matter
(30:04):
if I'm paying Bryce Young or not. You're gonna be
paying your wide receiver top of the market money. So
to me, Carolina's mission until Thanksgiving, this is their entire
mission as a franchise. Can Bryce Young play? Well, you
don't know if you have one number two receiver, maybe
a one, probably a two. Now you give me I
you can Deontay Johnson. I have a star one and
a great two, and I know I'll discover my Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
We got to draft another quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
We got the due worst case scenario if it goes
sideways again for Carolina, you're drafting top five.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Right, Yeah, what's the big deal?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I think we just made a trade. Happen, John Lynch,
give me credit when you up pull the trigger.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Jay and C Consulting delivers ah jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The Herd.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Lie.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Eastern a Empacific.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time Pro Bowl
of Levarrrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Pop called up on Game? What is up on Game?
You ass along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Huschman
Zada and Super Bowl champion. Yup, that's right, Plexico Burus.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
You can only name a show with that type of
talent on it Up on Game We're going to be
sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen
to Up on Game with me, lebar Arrington, TJ. Hutschman, Zada,
and Plexico Burrs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcast from.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
The United Football League continues in primetime as Birmingham battles
Houston or San Antonio kicks on Arlington.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
It all kicks off Saturday at seven Eastern Fox. Check
local listings for the game in your area.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
So the Lakers are very upset with the officiating last night,
especially at the end of the third quarters. Third quarter
when D'Angelo Russell, leading by ten thirty nine seconds left,
got fouled. Apparently they went to the replay center and
they kind of reversed it. They called it marginal contact.
(32:10):
And that's a term now that's being used, marginal contact.
Darvin Ham could have used that marginal contract by Lebron
with fifty seven seconds left. He didn't Lebron foul it
was marginal contact. Why didn't he use the replay adjust
(32:33):
the theme of the playoffs, fewer whistles, let the guys play.
In fact, playoffs scoring and it's a small sample size.
Playoffs scoring is down ten points a game. The referees
have decided. Baseball decided this. We're gonna make it a
better TV product. We're gonna make the bases bigger, more
stolen bases. We're gonna speed the game up. Put a
pitch clock on it. Baseball did this. It's a TV show.
(32:55):
The ratings are in the tank. Attendance is dwindling seven
to eight years in a row. So Baseball is like,
it's a television product. That's where all the money comes from.
We're gonna make it a better TV product. By the way,
what happened in tenants upratings up. So the NBA has
said fewer whistles. And by the way, if you listen
to the show for twenty twenty five years or a year,
you know the NBA playoffs as the audience swells. Nobody
(33:17):
watches the regular season. As the audience swells in the postseason,
they swallow the whistle. It's why veteran teams tend to
win the playoffs because they're bigger, stronger athletes who have
been in the NBA weight room for seven or eight years,
NBA nutrition for seven or eight years, and they pushed
the kids around. It's why I think Oklahoma City's going
to be great, but they're not going to win this
year because they're just kids. We'll get bigger and stronger,
(33:38):
and you know, we'll be able to marginalize refs and
kind of manipulate the games as they get older. So anyway,
marginal contact is a thing, and it's the right thing.
This idea that the NBA's out to get the Lakers. Yeah,
the NBA. Adam Silver's there. Listen, let's get rid of
Steph and Lebron in the playoffs. And why we're at it,
(33:59):
mbid out a Luca kd. They could leave too. What
I want is Minnesota, Denver and Oklahoma City. That's who
I want on television in May and June. NBA's rigged, guy,
You're a moron and always have been. They don't want
Stephan Lebron out of the playoffs. It's marginal contact. And
when you looked at the D'Angelo Russell play, I get
(34:19):
the argument. Now Lebron was not having any of it.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
I don't understand what's going on in a replace center.
To be honest, I said it. I think I said
it this year or last year.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Whatever.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
Delo clearly gets hitting a face on a drive. We
have a replace center. This is going to go that
doesn't It doesn't make sense to me, makes no sense
to me. It bothers me. Sorry, didn't ask you a question,
but that is like and then I just saw what
happened with the Sixers nickname too. What are we? What
(34:55):
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Okay, you could call a foul every time Lebron drives
to the basket, same with Luca. Do you want a
four hour game?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Do you want a game with nothing but free throws
like the Pacers Knicks games they used to romanticize in
thirty for thirties that were seventy two sixty eight. No,
you want a fast paced game, fewer whistles physicality. By
the way, Yukon won the national title in basketball college basketball,
why because they're the most physical team. The refs let
the players, the physical players win, and that's what's going
(35:33):
to happen in the NBA. Physicality's gonna win. Big, strong,
physical players and they swallow the whistle you could call
a foul. I remember when I covered Shack and he
and Sibonis were playing year It's the best playoff series
I've ever watched in person. Seven gamer Lakers and Kobe
beat Sabonis. I remember in Portland after a game, going
into the locker room and Sabonis, who was a huge
(35:54):
guy like Jokic side had blood marks all over his
chest from facing Shack. He was literally bleeding, and and
he didn't fall out and Shack didn't fill out. They
let him play. You could have called a foul every
time Shack touched the ball. You could call it every
time Luca touches the ball, every time Lebron touches the ball,
every time Ad touches the ball. These are television shows.
(36:14):
At some point you want pace of play. And so
you know, I know Laker fans are all freaking out,
But the NBA did did not want Zion to and
in New Orleans. They wanted him to end up in
New York. They didn't want Wemby and San Antonio. They
would have loved him in LA. Right, So, and the
NBA is not rooting for DC, atlanted Detroit and big
(36:35):
markets distinct most of the last twenty years, and New York,
by the way, until this year. So this is just
they're calling it marginal contact where there's contact, but does
it affect dramatically the play? And I've always said the
NBA is the hardest sport to officiate. Every call is
pass interference. What is the one call in football that
we argue over pass interference? Because if you go watch
(36:59):
I mean Bill Belichi historically used to have his team
where white gloves when they were the white uniforms, so
the gloves the Patriots blended into the uniforms and referees
couldn't see all the grabbing. So every corner in the
NFL grabs. That's just what you do. You grab, you push,
a pull. So there's a very fine line between pass
interference and let them play. Well, that's every NBA foul.
(37:20):
These are the world's best athletes. Lebron can be fouled
every time he goes to the basket. And by the way,
Magic Johnson and Lebron, I mean, Magic complained about every play.
Luca complains about every play, and they probably are fouled.
The only way to stop Magic, who was a six
eight and a half point guard, was was to physicality
and foul him. He was so much bigger than all
the guards. So Magic used to say, I'm getting fouled
(37:41):
every play. He probably was. But you can't have a
four and a half hour game that you can't do that.
These are all the revenue now comes from television or
eventually streaming Amazon, Apple, that's where all the money comes from.
I've always said this about CBS and March madness. I'm
paying you four billion dollars. I can't decide the seating chart.
You can pick the teams who get in. But if
(38:03):
I want in the second round Ucla facing Arizona or
gonzag against Arizona in the second round, I'm paying for
the wedding, I can't. I can't have a couple things
in the seating chart. If I'm paying for the wedding,
I'm not gonna have the crazy uncle next to the
crazy mother in law.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I want the wedding to work.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
So again, I know all you do gooders and you idealists.
All the money in the NBA is coming from television.
They want to create. And by the way, when the
ratings are plumbing and going down, Adam Silver smartly said
at the All Star break, let's call fewer fouls.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Pace of play goes. Well, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
The plan game ratings were very good. I guarantee you
last night's ratings were very good. That's what commissioners have
to do. It's not a ball. I know a lot
of you old time baseball people. I like six hour games. Yeah,
because you don't have a life, You have nothing to do.
The rest of us have kids, and jobs and things.
So we can't sit around watching six hour baseball games.
So baseball puts in a shot clock, a pitch clock.
(39:01):
It immediately ratings up ten percent a ten AND's up
ten percent. You could actually watch a Dodger game now
and it goes two hours in twenty five minutes. If
you get good starting pitching, it flies by. My entire
night isn't sitting in front of a television. I can
watch it at seven thirty, by nine thirty and watch
something else, go to bed, do what I want. So
it's this marginal contact thing. It's up to Darvin Ham
(39:24):
to challenge it. Mike Malone's challenging it. Darvin Ham's gotta
challenge it. You gotta pivot off this stuff. You got
a new sport, new sensibility, new rules. The NBA, to
its credit, has said we're trying to speed up the
pace of play. We don't want to sit at the
free throw line. Those games last night. You know what
the result of that's been. Those games were unblievable. You
could have called multiple fouls at the end of the
(39:44):
next game.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I mean, the knicks are banging and scrum and it's
rugby and the balls on the floor. Ref's just step
back and let them play. These are pro athletes. Let
them play. And the Knicks wanted it more. And the
Knicks came out of that scrum with a ball and
they got two three and embiid lacked effort and didn't
lock out and the next earn that win.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
On effort.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
You could have called fouls on that stuff on the floor.
That doesn't make good sports. Good sports is athletes competing
banging into each other. Physicality. Basketball is great with physicality.
Didn't we love the bad boy Pistons. Well, we didn't
love the aesthetic. We didn't love that they were pretty.
We love the fact they were tough. They were tackle rambus.
(40:24):
It made for great sports. Physical, tough, banging on the floor,
Swallow the whistle, marginal contact.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I'm great with it. Last thing I want to watch
is free throws.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
It's like forty nine Ers fans saying, hey, in the
Super Bowl, how many holding flags on the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
There's holding on every play.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
You could call it.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
You could call a lot of contracts.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I have argued they should eliminate off ball holding. If
there's a run left, you can't call the right tackle
on holding,
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, it's a Tuesday, closer to the Draft, a
remarkable Round one NBA playoff night. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Nick.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Right Today, LSU football coach Brian Kelly stops by today, Jmac,
that was an old timer Nicks at home with the
Madison Square Garden crowd seemingly on the floor as this
as the players were on the floor light.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
That was an all time ending.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And uh and then the Lakers Nuggets. I said, yeah,
day in the show, Lakers losing over time. It was
almost that Lakers season was on the line. But those
were two great playoff games.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Great. I mean I was exhausted.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I had to go out and have a cigarette after
that first cigarette like twenty five years. I mean, it
was just an amazing night of sports coling.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So the Lakers this morning and last night, they want
to blame the refs. They want to blame the replay system. Okay,
Not the Lebron James sixteen seconds left missed wide open three.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Nah, that wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Or the fact that Anthony Davis had no points in
the fourth quarter, Darvin Ham couldn't dial up a player,
the fact that once again a Lakers starter gave you
a nothing burger ruey three points. Not that in the
last ten minutes the Lakers went away from the pick
and roll with Ad and Lebron. I think Lebron just
gets tired. No, the Lakers don't have the talent or
(01:57):
the versatility of Denver.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Last night. It's a great example.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Jokic did not play well in the first half, Murray
was awful in the first three quarters. But because of
their surrounding talent, they can keep it close and make runs.
These teams have played ten straight times. The games all
look the same, They're all close. We've said all year
Lakers aren't gonna beat them, but they match up with
them well. The difference is though last night, last nine
(02:25):
possessions for Denver. They scored on eight of them. Why
because Lebron and Ad in both games have had to
overcome a starter that gave you nothing. D Loo was
awful in game one and Ruey was awful in game two.
Jamal Murray wasn't good last night in the first three quarters,
but he was remarkable in the fourth. Jokic had a
(02:46):
rare bad half, but he was money in the second half.
Denver always wins this game because Denver, their two stars
can have a bad quarter, can have a bad half,
they don't have to be Jokis just lets the game
come to him. He doesn't press when things are going awry.
(03:06):
He's got Gordon and Porter and KCP. He doesn't have
to press. If Lebron doesn't get de Lo help, he's
got empty the tank. If AD doesn't get Ruey help,
he's got to empty the tank. And so I mean
again last night, Jokischin Murray didn't do anything in the
first half, but in the last nine possessions, Denver scored
(03:28):
in eight. And those are the crunch time numbers. That's
the best defense you'll face, that's the most pressure you'll face.
And this is what championship teams like Denver deliver. It's
not just that they have the best player in the world,
because Lebron and AD aren't far behind. It's the ability
for their star teammates, who often have bad halfs, to
(03:49):
still be brilliant, like Jamal Murray when you need him
deliver And in that fourth quarter, whereas Dlo was bad
the entire game one and Ruey was awful last night
the entire game, Jamal Murray as a star and three
bad quarters later, came in and sealed the game with this.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Mule make some moons one.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Now they're going to go back to LA. The games
will be close, the Lakers will empty the tank. But
this has been the most predictable series of all of them.
The Lakers matchup well. The Lakers have two stars, but
Lebron and a d are always have to overcome a
(04:50):
week bench, sometimes regrettable substitution patterns by Darvin Ham And
by the end of the game, what's AD have left
not much offensively? And here was a d when asked
about Murray's game winner.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Can you take us through that last play and just
what happened and what unfolded and what was I don't
know if you were screened or what happened on that
last play.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Jamal Murrion radershot.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, that sums it up. Jamal Murray hit a shot.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
What is the constant? Been in Philadelphia for eight years,
They've had multiple GMS. Nick Nurse is Embad's third coach.
We had the trial balloon with Ben Simmons, James Harden.
Now it's Tyrese, Maxey, Tobias Harris, draft picks, the process.
(05:44):
The constant is MBID and superstars. That's what he's been labeled.
He's a superstar.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I've got a higher standard. To be a superstar in
the NBA. You have to, you know, once win a
second round playoff series in the much much weaker Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I don't know, just one time.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
GMS coaches teammates Stars Simmons, Harden. Now he's got Maxie
and these Knicks, though Gutty are hardly the Shaq Kobe Lakers.
They're doing it on Guyle Moxie, toughness. They want it more,
they care more. That last sequence for the Knicks, it
was all desire and effort. I mean embiid first two games,
(06:27):
no rebounds in the fourth quarter through two games. Is
he ewing on the floor. What am I missing no rebounds?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Rebounds is an effort.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Staff Dennis Rodman wasn't skilled, Ben Wallace wasn't a world
class basket It's effort. Rebounds are effort. Embiid seven to
two superstar. Did Shaq ever have two games with no
rebounds in the fourth quarter through two? I don't think so,
did a Keem He has the talent, he doesn't shrink,
(06:59):
he has the sigh.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He lacks effort.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
If you go look at Joel Embiid's playoff career, his
numbers plummet in the fourth is plus minus, his field goals,
his rebound, everything goes down.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's effort. I understand.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Biggs get tired, Biggs get beat up. I get that.
But when Tyrese Maxi, with one h nine left, hit
a three, the score was one hundred and ninety six Philadelphia.
In fact, the Nix's next two possessions, they didn't get
a field goal.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It was their game now.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Kyle Lowry missed a free throw that was big, and
Jalen Brunson got a bit of a break on that
bounce on the three. Absolutely, But in the NBA, you're
a superstar if you win in April, May and June,
and you have a big personality. Kawhi doesn't, Jokic does it.
They're stars, but you're a superstar if you win in April,
May and June and you have a big personality. And
then BID's got plenty of personality. But I waited through
(07:50):
trust the process and Ben Simmons and James Harden and
now Tyree's Maxie and multiple coaches and Nick nurses the
third and multiple GMS and draft picks and moving in
the and I get the same thing, big games in
the East in the playoffs late, where's mbat? I just
didn't see the effort. I watched that last sequence. By
the next they were done, it was over. MAXI hits
(08:13):
a three. Next two times down under a minute, they
don't get a field goal.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And then it became rugby on the floor. Did you
have any doubt without balling on the floor the Knicks
would come up with it? Was there any doubt for
a second who was going to come up with the basketball?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Even even Genzo second three? It was about effort.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Nobody blocked out the next So here's Joel Embiid on
that crazy final sequence.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Everybody on the floor, was trying to call Tom mob myself,
including Nicole, coach Salon, but that didn't give it to us.
But you know, forget about of Tom. There's a bunch
of falls. Yeah, that's yeah. Like I said, un sucked
the ball.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I keep hearing the Sixers last night in this morning
complained about and there was no time out. You know
what I saw, nobody blocking out, no f effort. That
last night was all about desire.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
That game was over. Knicks were cooked.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
One hundred and ninety six, didn't score on their next
two possessions.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Game was over.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It's over MB no rebounds last first two games in
the series, fourth quarter. I mean, that was all effort,
all desire. These Knicks. Jalen Brunson is not playing well,
Julius Randall isn't available, and they're beating two stars in
this league, one that has been labeled a superstar. I
don't want to hear about timeouts. I don't want to
(09:32):
hear about time I don't want to hear about you
miss this, You missed it, I missed the effort. Where
is it? It is all on the Knicks. You can
watch a sporting event, you don't see this a lot
in hockey. You don't see a lot in baseball, but
you do see in the NBA some load management teams
wanting it more and more physicality. That was an effort win.
It wasn't a talent winn. Don't get me talent. Even
(09:53):
Jen Zones bounced around the league. It's not a talent thing.
That was an effort thing.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That was so much fun last night. You know, some
nights I just know I gotta I'm gonna stay home,
I'm gonna order out, and I'm gonna stay home. And
sometimes it's work. Sometimes I don't necessarily want to watch
a Thursday night football game on Amazon. Carolina Panthers involved.
Its work last night was not work. Last night is
why we do this job. Sitting home watching those games,
having a blast.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I mean, the Knicks game came out of nowhere. I
thought they were cooked, you know, down five.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
With Philly out played him for three quarters, Philadelphia for
two and a half quarters.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Was at Brunson, looked at Brunson is not having a
great start to the series.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, that's because they've relied on him so much much. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, I mean Brunson is to a large degree
looks he's lost his leg.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I think he's shooting twenty nine percent through TV, Like,
that's not the samele. I thought predictable. I thought the
series was over when the Knicks were down five.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I'm like, I don't know how you go to Philly
and steel won with no offense, but the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Would call it. I I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Know that I've been that gutted from a loss in
sports since maybe maybe the Jets in the AFC Championship
game way back when against the Steelers with Sanchez a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's how long it's been. Twenty point lead.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You gotta remember the twenty point lead was like sixty
eight to forty eight. You can build. People will say this, well,
Michael Jordan never lost twenty point leads.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
The three point shot totally ted Lee to open the
fourth column.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That that point is a couple bad possessions and they
hit two threes and you're down to four time out.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It's not a couple of bad possessions. Darvinham totally botched
the rotations. You can't start the fourth up ten on
the road season on the line with Dinwitty Jackson as
Gentrian prints on the court.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You cannot do im.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I text a bunch of Laker fans. They were like
all caps Darvin Ham, what do you you know?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Like?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But again they had the gate Jamal Murray, Jamal Murray's him,
he is him.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I mean that shot over a D, I say it was.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, I'll say this though a D the fact
that he didn't get top three in voting for defensive
Player of the Year, I would have voted him number one.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
He is.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Jokic has very few bad halfs. Yokich was irrelevant in
the first half. A D was AD and Jokic in
the first half. Ad may have played the best half
of basketball in a year by a big man.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Would you rather have a better second half than a
front would?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But when Ruey doesn't show up and it takes a
while for teammates, No d Lo in the first half
was money. But Anthony Davis just having to kind.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Of emptied the tank in the first half, fourth quarter,
he's that's what he shoots is one three pointer from
the quarter.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
AD, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Take him downtown? Take him inside a D. Zero points
in the fourth column. That was an emb like disappearing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I'll almost give Lebron an AD a little bit of
a break in the fourth because they're gassed because they
have to carry the team. Jolkich had a bad first half.
He wasn't gassed because he has people to pick up
for him, Gordon and Porter and KCP and eventually Murray.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Well Reeves chased around Murray. He had nothing ruey re guarding.
Jokic did a good job first half, right.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But one of seven offense, Like, it's just the Nuggets
are good man, Yeah, great team, by the way.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Forty five minutes now, we're going to take all the
potential first round quarterbacks and play the high low game.
What is their high comp? What if it doesn't work?
What is their low comp? It's a lot of fun,
you know, you put yourself out there. It's one of
my favorite segments of the year. We do it once
we take the quarterbacks. We play high low at the best.
What is Michael Pennix at the worst?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
What is Pennix? We'll play the high low game in
forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noone Eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, welcome back. More in the Lakers loss. Top
of next hour, forty minutes away, our game of high low.
We take all these first round quarterbacks at best, who
are they at worst?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
What does it become?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So yesterday during the show, the Jets traded Zach Wilson.
It was a miss number two pick, didn't like him
coming out of college. COVID quarterback didn't buy it. Jets
loved him miss, so they got a six rounder for him.
So here's the thing to think about. There's a message
(14:02):
in all of this. My wife always says, you're right
in life for your learning. You don't have to be wrong,
just learn from it. If you make the same mistake
over and over, then you're right and you're wrong. But
if you make mistakes but you learn from him, you're
right in life, and then you're learning. So the Jets
only got a sixth round.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Pick for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Justin Fields bears three years of starting, only got a
sixth round pick. Lots of losses and a sixth round
pick for Justin Field the fifteenth pick Mac Jones, a
lot of starts, only got a sixth round pick. How
in the world is it though, that Trey Lance, who
barely played and has less wins and talent than all
(14:48):
of them, arguably got.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
A fourth round pick. How is that possible?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Because San Francisco didn't get into their ego, their pride,
They weren't stubborn. They moved off him quicker, letting the
marketplace see less of him. The Niners, because they have
a brilliant offensive coach, made a lot of their evaluation
at practice, and they realized very early. I was told
(15:18):
he struggles with accuracy. You can't in this league teams
get into their ego.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Men as a general rule do this.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
They don't want to be wrong, so they doubled down
on it, trying to prove their right. As we say
on this show, get it right. Don't worry about being right.
We're all wrong all the time. San Francisco, with a
less talented quarterback, got actually a fourth round pickback. Fourth
round picks are good picks. A lot of starters in
(15:48):
this league that are fourth round picks. You get into
the sixth and the seventh round. A lot of special teams, guys,
low ceiling backups. And yet the Niners, who missed on
plenty of picks, just said, hey, we see it doesn't work.
Brought perties better in practice, we're moving on the seventh
(16:10):
round guys better than the first round guy. We gave
up picks for too many general managers in this league
in coaches are trying to protect their genius, protect their picks.
I mean the New York Giants that even worse to that.
They doubled down on Daniel Jones, which was a reach
as a pick, and then they paid him a small fortune.
That's unforgivable. That gets you fired. If the guys in
(16:32):
New York get fired, I mean you got to push
back on that. You got to go to the owner
and say, I'm not signing him. We'll keep Saquon Barkley.
I'm not signing him to that deal. But this is
a great example in a life message. Don't double down
on wrong to prove your right.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Get out of it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
By Thanksgiving of the second year, everybody in the league
knows if not for film during the games, film at practice.
You film all the practices. You have camps, you have exhibitions,
you have games against other teams that don't get televised,
you have exhibition games. If you can't tell if your
quarterback's a guy. By Thanksgiving of the second year, get
(17:14):
out of the league, go sell cars, do something else.
You can't do it. It doesn't take that long to
figure it out. And so the Niners they draft brought
Perty in. They're like, yeah, I mean, we already heard
the story. Kyle goes to the owner, He's better move
off him, salvage the pick, don't double down on stubborn,
Stop being trying to be right.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Get it right. Perty's better than Trey. Move him.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Maybe maybe Trey gets a second chance. But isn't it
interesting that the quarterback that has the fewest wins the
less time, I mean, appears to be somebody that really
is at this point not going to be a starter
at all, doesn't have a big win. Of note, they
got more for him, a legitimate pick. Here was Tom
(17:58):
Pellasorrow yesterday making the Zach Wilson trade on our show.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Just traded Zach Wilson to the Broncos. They are going
to send a twenty twenty four sixth round pick for
Wilson and a twenty twenty four seventh rounder. Teams are
going to divide up his bonus. You get him for
virtually nothing in terms of a late round pick swap.
The Jets are paying. I don't know the exact numbers,
but they're paying a significant amount of his training camp
roster bonus too, So this is a low risk flier
(18:25):
on a guy who a few years ago. I mean,
I had many coaches make the case to me that
Zach Wilson's take was better than Trevor Lawrence. If anybody
can hit the most out of Zach Wilson, it's going
to be Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
How about that? How about that? J Mack A great lesson.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's about getting it right, not being right. Niners weren't stubborn,
got more for less? J Mack with a news no, no, no,
turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
There's probably also an element of job security there, right,
Like the forty nine ers brass they're not going anywhere. Hey,
we screwed up the ti Ry Lancepik not no big deal.
Guys were winning games.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It's fine jets. Joe Douglas.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Why I don't want to ad mid I screwed up
with Zach Wilson. Probably a little more reluctant to deal
him right now. Job security, Let's be real. People are afraid.
They want to keep their jobs.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
They don't want to try new stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, I mean, general managers often don't get a second chance.
Good coaches do. I mean if Dave All will get
a second run, but gms don't. So it's yeah, I mean,
I just it is Trey Lance. Basically from when Kyle
Shanahan says, yeah, I can't save him.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
What does that tell you?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Kyle Shanahan made Matt shab a Pro Bowl or Matt
Ryan an MVP, brought party a fledgling star in the league.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Kyle's like like a dealer in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm out, Yeah, and they got a fourth form because
they didn't, let you see, they made evaluations in practice.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I wonder how Dallas Cowboys fans feel that they paid the.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Most for Well, I mean, there's definitely talent, that's not it.
But the key is he barely He played in San
Francisco and they got a four. And Shanahan's offensive history
would lead you to believe he just bailed.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I don't know he said.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You say he's got talent, really mean is trailing? It's
gonna make ten more starts in his NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
They don't know. I don't know, Yeah, talent, he probably would.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
All right, let's get started with the Kansas City Chiefs
three Super Bowl wins in the last five seasons, and
now Andy Reid is sticking around until twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He got a new contract extension, Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Have Chiefs have not announced the terms of the deal,
but he reportedly is going to be the highest paid
coach in the NFL. The Chiefs have also extended team
president Mark Donovan and GM Bretviach. Kansas City Chiefs fans
keeping the band back together.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
As they show a couple more super Bowl runs in them, probably.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
As they should. So much for Reid walking away, huh, Well,
he could have gone out on top. Well, they're still
on top.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Belichick, you could argue after Brady could have given it
a year and made Mac Jones a pro bowler, split
and said, hey, I didn't stay around, but I made
Mac Jones a pro bowler.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I think there's the Belichick Brady is more of. I'm
gonna prove I can do it without Tom. There's nothing
to prove, no.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So pride again gets in the way.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well, yeah, right, what pride you talk about on the
show for years? Who was more important, Belichick or Brady.
That's a normal conversation. I'm not surprising Belichick want to
stick around, are.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You No, I understand, but he was seventy and Tom
did win a Super Bowl somewhere else. You could have
sucked it up and said, this isn't a great look.
I think I'm gonna exit stage right. I mean again,
at practice. If you were watching it practice and you
watch Mac Jones and you had Tom, did you look
and evaluate and say, yeah, that's not Tom.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
But we got ourselves a guy one. Mac Jones was
kind of good.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But he was kind of bratty and wouldn't take to
hard coaching, and it turned off teammates, the opposite of Tom.
So if you evaluate and practice based on personality what
you see, could you have not said this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
That this might be a whole new generation of non
Tom Brady type quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Hard coaching.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What I say when I see these young quarterbacks, I
think they want to be coached. I think the young
athletes are great. I think they want to be co
I think all great athletes my entire life want to
be coached hard. There's a lot of posers out there
you think are great, and they're not. But every great,
every great athlete, you don't think those Alabama When you
go to Alabama Georgia, you think you're going to be
soft coached. When you go to Hardball, you think he's
(22:27):
gonna soft coach. The hardest coach is Tom is Oh
coaches the hell out of you. Mike Krzyzewsky, did these
kids want to be Bill self? Is no day at
the park? These guys coach hard Dan Hurley in Connecticut,
Like that's a serious, intense program and they get great players.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, the whole like coach hard thing.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Okay, So if they want to be coached hard, why
is any quarterback transferring if they're not playing after.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, because they're not out well, they're not playing. Yeah,
there's a difference between not sitting on the bench and
being coached hard.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Tom Brady sat on the bench with coach hard. He
was seventh on the depth chart, and that was a
different time. Get to New England, right, and he's third
string and.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You know he's not going to retire in the NFL.
You can argue Brady would have transferred in college. That's
certainly a fair argument, but I'm I will push back
as most kids transferring now are just not getting to play,
and they're saying I gotta get snaps to get to
the NFL. I totally get that, but I think overwhelming
I don't buy this that the new athletes don't want
(23:26):
to be coached hard they don't care. I think they
care more than anybody. I think they take care of
their bodies better than old athletes. Lebron takes care of
his body way better than Jordan.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But that's that's different than coached hard, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I think he Reid doesn't coach hard.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Oh Hill yo, and he's one of the last guys
that used pads. Andy coach is super hard, and he's
a barker and a yeller and like not mean, but
Andy is high volume.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Give me the give me the coach hard guys. Is
McVeigh coached hard.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Guy mcveigh's intense. I don't know if he's coaching hard.
I would say Shanahan doesn't screw around, You're gonna hit
it practice. Andy Reid coaches hard like Andy coach is hard,
but he's respected by the players because they want to
be coached hard.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think who else coach is hard? So when you
say all the college.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Guys, all the great college coach coaches, Coachan.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Hurley at yukon coach hard.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I think of Belichick undressing Brady in the film room
every week.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, that to me is coach hard.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
That almost felt if you listen to Patriot players that
almost got personal and petty. That's not coaching hard. That's
just not that's just being difficult because Tom doesn't want
to do everything you say.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, it's also telling everybody listen, I know he's the
golden boy, but I'm gonna come down on hard on him.
You know how I'm gonna come down on you. You're not
the golden boy. To me, that's coaching hard. The pad stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
But like, yeah, Andy Reid is not Andy Reid. Is
you think Andy Reid's destroying Patrick.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Mahomes And I think Andy. I know this because I
know people in the building. Andy is Andy is one
of the old school guys. And I say that affectionately, lovingly.
Is that Adney's not gonna no nonsense with Andy. If
you can't get it right, they move off you fast.
By the way, Brett Beach signs guys willing to be
co part of the whole Kansas City story here. Part
(25:14):
of their DNA is they draft guys that can be
coach hard. Because they're going to be coach hard.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Well, he's going to be around for a while. Next
up is Caleb Williams. He's going to be the number
one pick in the NFL Draft. We won't even mention
the odds, they're so astronomical. Expectations are very high. Caleb
is setting things even higher, saying he wants to chase
the legacy legacy and longevity Tom Brady had in New England.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Now that I want to play at one place for
twenty years and chase one guy number twelve. I want
to place the loves ball, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's all I've heard about.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Chicago so far, which is which is exciting for me
because LA was great. But there is probably double digits
of teams here and so I mean it's a lot
of it's a big pool of you know, so you
have to be winning championships, you have to be playoffs
every year to have you know, the fans and things
like that show up. And so one thing, you know,
(26:13):
if it was Chicago was a place that I've heard
that they love ball, which is really.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Exciting for me.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
It's something that I'm looking forward to and embracing.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Very excited.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Looks like a franchise quarterback. Sounds like it. I get
the attitude I want.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't know what else is he supposed to say there,
Like I think I want to bounce a round. You
know what. There is value in saying the right stuff. Yeah,
he said the right stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
A lot of guys get to that podium get a
little squirrely.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Not him. Yes, he said the right thing.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Final story is John Lynch had his annual pre draft
news conference yesterday and one of the big questions was
about Brandon Ayuk's contract situation. Speaking of saying the right thing,
John Lynch dispelled all the rumors about a potential trade here.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He is, yeah, all right, well, I guess we boughtched
the audio.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
But anyway, he said, I've communicated on many occasions. Our
wish is that he's here and part of the Niners
for the rest of his career. We're working through that.
I can say we're having good talks forty nine ers
in Ayuk and I'm just gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, I'm for the record, this stuff's not easy. This
is not easy stuff. I think it's a perfect time
to move him. I think they'll still consider it. But
Ayuk's gone public with it. He's gone to Instagram with it,
He's talked about it, which adds some contention contentious nature
to the talk. So it's not this isn't easy. I
(27:40):
still contend that there's so many receivers in these drafts.
You can get a first or a couple seconds for Ayuk.
I would consider moving him with Debo and Kittle and McCaffrey.
I think you have to consider Jennings by the way,
as can be productive as well. I think he's a
great player, but star wide receivers, they history is they
(28:02):
can wear people out over time, and as good as
Ayuke is, they may make an argument. I think if
Purdy was Josh Allen or Lamar or Mahomes was a
better quarterback was Stafford, they'd move off by you. I
think the feeling is they've got to protect perty with
as many weapons as they have because Detroit's coming, Green
Bay's coming, you know the Rams are coming. So I
(28:24):
think if you had a quarterback who they felt was
a top five level talent, you could move off. AU
can be fine with the weapons you have, But I
do think with Purdy there's a sense that, hey, listen,
we he's not gonna make up a lot of ground
if he's going toe to toe with Matt Stafford in
the playoffs, or Jordan Love in the playoffs, or Jared
Goff in the playoffs, or a super Bowl against Mahomes
(28:45):
Alan Lamar So, I think part of it is that
they don't They don't want to move him just because
of who the current quarterback is.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay, so how's this trade?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I'm just spitballing here, Carolina Panthers call up the Niners.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Oh, I would do it. They need a player so bad.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
They as the thirty third overall pick, not a first rounder,
and we'll give you a twenty twenty five to third,
So a second and a third. Now the second round
pick this year's number thirty three overall.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's almost basically a first. Would you do that for
a youth? So now you give.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm Carolina, and I have to figure out my Thanksgiving
if my quarterback can play.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Absolutely you have Deontay Johnson who you got from you?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, I have to figure out if Bryce Young can play.
You can't just get me Deontay Johnson. So for Carolina,
I would make that move in a second.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
In a second, Now, the Niners fans are surely going
to say we want a first, you know, try but
the thirty third pick overall and another pick.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Remember you got that you have to pay Ayuk. So
it's not you get the quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You still have to pay him. If I have to
pay and give you a first, that that works in
my favor. If I'm Carolina, I'm like, it'd be one
thing if I got him for free for two years first,
but I already have to put I have to pay
him like a superstar and give you a first. So
that works in Carolina's advantage. That's a big part of the
go ciation. You give me a pick, but do I
already have to pay the pick? So it doesn't matter
(30:04):
if I'm paying Bryce Young or not. You're gonna be
paying your wide receiver top of the market money. So
to me, Carolina's mission until Thanksgiving, this is their entire
mission as a franchise. Can Bryce Young play? Well, you
don't know if you have one number two receiver, maybe
a one, probably a two. Now you give me I
you can Deontay Johnson. I have a star one and
a great two, and I know I'll discover my Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
We got to draft another quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
We got the due worst case scenario if it goes
sideways again for Carolina, you're drafting top five.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Right, Yeah, what's the big deal?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I think we just made a trade. Happen, John Lynch,
give me credit when you up pull the trigger.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Jay and C Consulting delivers ah jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The Herd.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Lie.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Eastern a Empacific.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time Pro Bowl
of Levarrrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Pop called up on Game? What is up on Game?
You ass along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Huschman
Zada and Super Bowl champion. Yup, that's right, Plexico Burus.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
You can only name a show with that type of
talent on it Up on Game We're going to be
sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen
to Up on Game with me, lebar Arrington, TJ. Hutschman, Zada,
and Plexico Burrs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcast from.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
The United Football League continues in primetime as Birmingham battles
Houston or San Antonio kicks on Arlington.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
It all kicks off Saturday at seven Eastern Fox. Check
local listings for the game in your area.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
So the Lakers are very upset with the officiating last night,
especially at the end of the third quarters. Third quarter
when D'Angelo Russell, leading by ten thirty nine seconds left,
got fouled. Apparently they went to the replay center and
they kind of reversed it. They called it marginal contact.
(32:10):
And that's a term now that's being used, marginal contact.
Darvin Ham could have used that marginal contract by Lebron
with fifty seven seconds left. He didn't Lebron foul it
was marginal contact. Why didn't he use the replay adjust
(32:33):
the theme of the playoffs, fewer whistles, let the guys play.
In fact, playoffs scoring and it's a small sample size.
Playoffs scoring is down ten points a game. The referees
have decided. Baseball decided this. We're gonna make it a
better TV product. We're gonna make the bases bigger, more
stolen bases. We're gonna speed the game up. Put a
pitch clock on it. Baseball did this. It's a TV show.
(32:55):
The ratings are in the tank. Attendance is dwindling seven
to eight years in a row. So Baseball is like,
it's a television product. That's where all the money comes from.
We're gonna make it a better TV product. By the way,
what happened in tenants upratings up. So the NBA has
said fewer whistles. And by the way, if you listen
to the show for twenty twenty five years or a year,
you know the NBA playoffs as the audience swells. Nobody
(33:17):
watches the regular season. As the audience swells in the postseason,
they swallow the whistle. It's why veteran teams tend to
win the playoffs because they're bigger, stronger athletes who have
been in the NBA weight room for seven or eight years,
NBA nutrition for seven or eight years, and they pushed
the kids around. It's why I think Oklahoma City's going
to be great, but they're not going to win this
year because they're just kids. We'll get bigger and stronger,
(33:38):
and you know, we'll be able to marginalize refs and
kind of manipulate the games as they get older. So anyway,
marginal contact is a thing, and it's the right thing.
This idea that the NBA's out to get the Lakers. Yeah,
the NBA. Adam Silver's there. Listen, let's get rid of
Steph and Lebron in the playoffs. And why we're at it,
(33:59):
mbid out a Luca kd. They could leave too. What
I want is Minnesota, Denver and Oklahoma City. That's who
I want on television in May and June. NBA's rigged, guy,
You're a moron and always have been. They don't want
Stephan Lebron out of the playoffs. It's marginal contact. And
when you looked at the D'Angelo Russell play, I get
(34:19):
the argument. Now Lebron was not having any of it.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
I don't understand what's going on in a replace center.
To be honest, I said it. I think I said
it this year or last year.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Whatever.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
Delo clearly gets hitting a face on a drive. We
have a replace center. This is going to go that
doesn't It doesn't make sense to me, makes no sense
to me. It bothers me. Sorry, didn't ask you a question,
but that is like and then I just saw what
happened with the Sixers nickname too. What are we? What
(34:55):
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Okay, you could call a foul every time Lebron drives
to the basket, same with Luca. Do you want a
four hour game?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Do you want a game with nothing but free throws
like the Pacers Knicks games they used to romanticize in
thirty for thirties that were seventy two sixty eight. No,
you want a fast paced game, fewer whistles physicality. By
the way, Yukon won the national title in basketball college basketball,
why because they're the most physical team. The refs let
the players, the physical players win, and that's what's going
(35:33):
to happen in the NBA. Physicality's gonna win. Big, strong,
physical players and they swallow the whistle you could call
a foul. I remember when I covered Shack and he
and Sibonis were playing year It's the best playoff series
I've ever watched in person. Seven gamer Lakers and Kobe
beat Sabonis. I remember in Portland after a game, going
into the locker room and Sabonis, who was a huge
(35:54):
guy like Jokic side had blood marks all over his
chest from facing Shack. He was literally bleeding, and and
he didn't fall out and Shack didn't fill out. They
let him play. You could have called a foul every
time Shack touched the ball. You could call it every
time Luca touches the ball, every time Lebron touches the ball,
every time Ad touches the ball. These are television shows.
(36:14):
At some point you want pace of play. And so
you know, I know Laker fans are all freaking out,
But the NBA did did not want Zion to and
in New Orleans. They wanted him to end up in
New York. They didn't want Wemby and San Antonio. They
would have loved him in LA. Right, So, and the
NBA is not rooting for DC, atlanted Detroit and big
(36:35):
markets distinct most of the last twenty years, and New York,
by the way, until this year. So this is just
they're calling it marginal contact where there's contact, but does
it affect dramatically the play? And I've always said the
NBA is the hardest sport to officiate. Every call is
pass interference. What is the one call in football that
we argue over pass interference? Because if you go watch
(36:59):
I mean Bill Belichi historically used to have his team
where white gloves when they were the white uniforms, so
the gloves the Patriots blended into the uniforms and referees
couldn't see all the grabbing. So every corner in the
NFL grabs. That's just what you do. You grab, you push,
a pull. So there's a very fine line between pass
interference and let them play. Well, that's every NBA foul.
(37:20):
These are the world's best athletes. Lebron can be fouled
every time he goes to the basket. And by the way,
Magic Johnson and Lebron, I mean, Magic complained about every play.
Luca complains about every play, and they probably are fouled.
The only way to stop Magic, who was a six
eight and a half point guard, was was to physicality
and foul him. He was so much bigger than all
the guards. So Magic used to say, I'm getting fouled
(37:41):
every play. He probably was. But you can't have a
four and a half hour game that you can't do that.
These are all the revenue now comes from television or
eventually streaming Amazon, Apple, that's where all the money comes from.
I've always said this about CBS and March madness. I'm
paying you four billion dollars. I can't decide the seating chart.
You can pick the teams who get in. But if
(38:03):
I want in the second round Ucla facing Arizona or
gonzag against Arizona in the second round, I'm paying for
the wedding, I can't. I can't have a couple things
in the seating chart. If I'm paying for the wedding,
I'm not gonna have the crazy uncle next to the
crazy mother in law.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I want the wedding to work.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
So again, I know all you do gooders and you idealists.
All the money in the NBA is coming from television.
They want to create. And by the way, when the
ratings are plumbing and going down, Adam Silver smartly said
at the All Star break, let's call fewer fouls.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Pace of play goes. Well, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
The plan game ratings were very good. I guarantee you
last night's ratings were very good. That's what commissioners have
to do. It's not a ball. I know a lot
of you old time baseball people. I like six hour games. Yeah,
because you don't have a life, You have nothing to do.
The rest of us have kids, and jobs and things.
So we can't sit around watching six hour baseball games.
So baseball puts in a shot clock, a pitch clock.
(39:01):
It immediately ratings up ten percent a ten AND's up
ten percent. You could actually watch a Dodger game now
and it goes two hours in twenty five minutes. If
you get good starting pitching, it flies by. My entire
night isn't sitting in front of a television. I can
watch it at seven thirty, by nine thirty and watch
something else, go to bed, do what I want. So
it's this marginal contact thing. It's up to Darvin Ham
(39:24):
to challenge it. Mike Malone's challenging it. Darvin Ham's gotta
challenge it. You gotta pivot off this stuff. You got
a new sport, new sensibility, new rules. The NBA, to
its credit, has said we're trying to speed up the
pace of play. We don't want to sit at the
free throw line. Those games last night. You know what
the result of that's been. Those games were unblievable. You
could have called multiple fouls at the end of the
(39:44):
next game.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I mean, the knicks are banging and scrum and it's
rugby and the balls on the floor. Ref's just step
back and let them play. These are pro athletes. Let
them play. And the Knicks wanted it more. And the
Knicks came out of that scrum with a ball and
they got two three and embiid lacked effort and didn't
lock out and the next earn that win.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
On effort.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
You could have called fouls on that stuff on the floor.
That doesn't make good sports. Good sports is athletes competing
banging into each other. Physicality. Basketball is great with physicality.
Didn't we love the bad boy Pistons. Well, we didn't
love the aesthetic. We didn't love that they were pretty.
We love the fact they were tough. They were tackle rambus.
(40:24):
It made for great sports. Physical, tough, banging on the floor,
Swallow the whistle, marginal contact.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I'm great with it. Last thing I want to watch
is free throws.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
It's like forty nine Ers fans saying, hey, in the
Super Bowl, how many holding flags on the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
There's holding on every play.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
You could call it.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
You could call a lot of contracts.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I have argued they should eliminate off ball holding. If
there's a run left, you can't call the right tackle
on holding,
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Nikki Glaser Podcast
Every week comedian and infamous roaster Nikki Glaser provides a fun, fast-paced, and brutally honest look into current pop-culture and her own personal life.