May 1, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin gives the 76ers props for their miracle win over the Knicks but shares a harsh truth about their chances for the rest of the series
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Oh, here we go, It's Wednesday live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Thanks for Megan.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
How's part of your day.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
One hour from now, Jmac, I do my post free
agent post draft NFL standings. I'm allowed to tweak it twice,
but I'll do that one hour from now. So yesterday
we did the Herd hierarchy post draft. Now I'll give
you the standings. By the way, what you find in
the NFL, figuring out the one in the four is
not very difficult. The fours, the bottom teams most we
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all have bad cornerback situations. That's a real easy one.
The ones we can argue between a couple of teams.
But the bottom end of the league, and there's not
that many, but there's about five easy calls in.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
This league, I would say, I'm clamoring to know your
AFC East winner.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
I think it's a slam dunk in the Jets, obviously,
but we'll.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
See so Nicks sixers.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's amazing how even the game was last night. I
went and got the box score this morning. Points in
the paint, turnovers, rebounds, free throw percentage, field goal percentage,
right across the board.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's even.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It just came down to MAXI hit a couple of
great shots earlier in the season. Earlier in the series,
Jalen Brunson was hitting the big shots that, in a
nutshell is the NBA Playoffs. It doesn't matter who plays better,
who star delivers late. Lakers lead the Nuggets for seventy
percent of the series. Jamal Murray two for two in
game winners last night Cleveland, Orlando. Evan Mobley the big
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block for Cleveland, their star player, one of their star players.
So the Knicks I thought had it wrapped up. They
led by six twenty eight seconds left. Game seven is
in New York. I don't think they'll need it. I
think the Knicks will win in Game six. I still
like the Knicks. I love their coaching. I like how
they played. Maxi hit a couple of brilliant shots, and
he's an amazing player who you know, I've been a
fan of for multiple years. The problem for Philadelphia winning
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last night, and it is a problem.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's just a game.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is this going to make them It shouldn't, but is
it gonna make them have false hope?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Hey, this series is a go either way series.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
If embiid was healthy and Bead's been healthy for a
lot of the years, and they can't win a second
playoff series. And if not for heroic great shots last night,
this series would be a gentleman's sweep. And that's the
problem with Philadelphia. Maxi being amazing, coming back six down
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twenty eight seconds left, it's making Phililadelphia think, Yeah, this
is a go either way series. No, it's not Nicks
to the better team. They've been better coached, they've been
more reliable, they've been tougher, they've gotten the big rebounds late.
Last night, they didn't get the big shots late. So
sometimes in the playoffs, what happens is the delusion kicks in, thinking, Man,
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if we didn't just have blank, blank and blank. You
have to be honest with yourself in this league. A
lot of teams aren't honest with themselves. Philadelphia has got issues.
I love MAXI I'd keep him, I'd strongly consider moving
mbeat mbaid has been disappointing in the fourth. He's not
around the glass in the fourth, and frankly, he gets
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hurt a lot. He just played forty eight minutes last night.
He's got one game rest. They go back to his place.
Philadelphia Knicks are gonna win that game. Knicks had the series,
Knicks had the game. It was a Knicks night. They
were the better team. Maxie was great. It happens. It happens,
But don't let that cloud the truth about this series
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or the truth about your future. The future for the
Knicks is very bright. I mean, if they landed KD,
what would we say in a month? The future for
the Sixers is murky.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
What do you do with him? Beat Max, He's great.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Tobias Harris and Bead other pieces gonna go through another coach.
Here's Tom Tibbs Thibodeau.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
After tough way to lose a ball game. You know,
so we had a lead, we got to play tougher
with the lead. We filed in a situation that we
didn't want to file in and then you know, in
the end, MAXI makes a big shot, so you know
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we got.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To do better.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes, So I want to talk about something, and this
is something I've been you know, when I defended Atlanta's
draft pick when they got Kirk Cousins and Michael Pennox
and people really freaked out.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You paid Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What. So here's what's interesting. So the Broncos this morning,
the Broncos this morning think they have the guy bo Nicks. Analytically.
There's a story this morning from Adam Schefter. They think
bo Nicks is ready to play right now and will
be as good as any quarterback of all this rookie class.
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So suddenly this franchise that was a mess and all
this dead cap money with Russell Wilson, they took a
big swing on it. I said, Denver, big swing Russell Wilson.
I'm here for it. Everybody now freaks out. But if
bo Nicks can play, they just got Zach Wilson. He'll
get a reboot, talented kid. And they have Jarrett Stidham
who they could use potentially as a very nice trade piece.
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Sixty six quarterbacks played in the NFL last year. Pretty
nice to have three guys and you could move two
of them, and you think you have the future in
bo Nicks. And this is why I've defended Atlanta. If
you're gonna have more talent than you need right now
in the NFL, make it at quarterback. Eventually you can
move backups. I mean, good god, Arizona was able to
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get a draft pick out of Josh Dobbs last year
in the middle of the season. Minnesota was so desperate.
So if bone Nicks hits, the Russell Wilson drama is irrelevant.
And I'm gonna tell you something now. And nobody wants
to say this because fear drives so many decisions in
the NFL and in life. People are very fear based.
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I mean, go to the internet about the election. It's
all fear based. Everything's fear based. Nobody's optimistic. Everybody's negative.
The word dead cap when you hear that, everybody thinks, oh,
it's a funeral. It's an NFL funeral. Dead cap money.
I would much rather have teams take swings and end
up with a little dead cap. Give you an example,
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the Green Bay Packers last year. Do you know how
much dead cap money.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
They had.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Forty million dollars. They not only made the playoffs, they
went in. The Dallas rolled them. Why because Jordan loved Bald.
The Buccaneers made the playoffs last year thirty five million
dollars of dead cap. They made the playoffs. Why because
Baker Mayfiel Bald. They took a swing. They took a
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big swing on Brady. They won a Super Bowl. Who
the hell cares if they have dead cap money, go
get another quarterback. Well, it doesn't end there. The Rams
last year, listen to this, eighty million dollars of dead
cap made the playoffs in a rebuild year. Why because
they take big swings and Matt Stafford can ball in Philadelphia,
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remember that twenty twenty one Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
What a disaster that contract is.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They took a big swing, huge dead cap money, but
they drafted Jalen Hurts. He ends up being good with
the right coach. As Philadelphia struggled in recent years, been
pretty good football team Philadelphia, The Rams, the Packers, funny Buccaneers,
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They're all fine. They took swings. Tampa took a swing
on Brady and got a Super Bowl. You think they
regret it today four of the five highest dead cap
hits last year made the playoffs. In the playoffs, Green
Bay took a big swing. They moved off Aaron Rodgers.
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Buccaneers made a big swing with Brady won a Super Bowl,
and then they took a swing on Baker. If bo
Nicks can play, then the Russell Wilson thing, it's gonna
be last year's news. Nobody's gonna care. Where you don't
want to be in the NBA. Where you don't want
to be is in the middle. You're just you're in
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quicksand you're not terrible, You're not great. A big swing
can make you great and get your ring, and if
it blows up, you get a better draft pick. It's
like the Phoenix Suns took a huge swing on Katie
and Bradley Beal. Everybody's freaking out, but you know who
could really use Kevin Durant, The New York Knicks, and
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they got picks and they got good young players take swings.
The whole Russell Wilson thing, it's the end up. If
bow Knicks can play, the dude completed seventy seven percent
of his passes last year. He's Drew Brees with mobility,
potentially that Russell Wilson drama won't matter. It didn't for
the Rams, it didn't for the Packers, it didn't for
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the Bucks. For the top five dead cap hits made
the playoffs. Now, I'm not saying I'm rooting for it
or it's ideal, but it's not as punitive as everybody
makes it out to me. The San Francisco forty nine
Ers draft Trey Lance give up a boatload of picks
or in the Super Bowl, I think, doesn't he get
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into the NFC Championship. Take a big swing. It's either
going to get you gold bars and trophies or close
to it. And if not, it's amazing the opportunities that
arise if you hit in a draft pick. You don't
even have to have. Caleb Williams, Rock Purdy is getting
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to big games. Bow Knicks can absolutely do the same
with Sean Payton. All right, Knicks are freaking out, by
the way. Here is Albert Breer earlier this week on
the Broncos confidence. What they believe Bonicks is.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
When Sean Payton got the numbers back from their analytics people.
I'm telling you, like in so many different categories, critical categories.
Bon Nix was number one. So you had the play style,
you had all these critical categories, and then you had
the meeting in Eugene. And I'll give you one anecdote.
Sean Payton pointed down at bo Knick's backpack and said,
what do you have in there? So bo Knicks emptied
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his backpack. He had a pair of football cleats, he
had a roll of athletic tape, and he had a
lacrosse ball in there that he uses to crack his back.
And the Broncos looked at that and said, this kid
is all about football.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They're gonna be fine in Denver as long as Bownicks
can play, and I think he can. So I thought
the Knicks last night, I thought it was all sealed up,
just like you thought the Lakers had so many games
in that series sealed up. But in the end, you know, Max,
he's a shot maker, and Bronson's a shot maker, and
Jamal Murray's a shot maker. That's all the Lakers need.
Next year, Trey Young another shot maker Nicks could use.
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Kevin Durant, great shot maker. Knicks are gonna win this
series though, You're on that right, I hope.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So Colin, listen, you know I coached my kids in
U sports and I play in men's leagues.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Up three less than ten seconds left. It's basic math.
You fell. You cannot let the guys do the three.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
They let Tyrese Maxey walk into a logo three up
by three. That is insanity. I cannot believe how badly
Tiboeau did that. We've seen that in the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You're blaming the coaching.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
No, no, no, hold on. I mean this is a
simple strategy, Colin. We saw this earlier with in the
Bucks Pacer series. Pacers are like, let's not foul Middleton
prayer three good over time, you have to foul up three.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Colin, you know this.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I mean, why would you let Tyrese Maxie, who's already
cooking you, he's got forty points at the time, walk
into a three point?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, you do realize the best three point shooters in
the league shoot thirty eight and a half percent. That
means over seventy percent of the time they don't make
that shot. I don't know, seems like the numbers are
on my side.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I'm definitely fouling all. I mean, all the smart math
guys foul so that's what I would do. But listen,
Thibodeau has I don't think he answered that question.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Mitchell Robinson owned it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
He was like, listen, I made a stupid foul to
give the four point play to Maxie.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Colin, You've got a foul up three.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
That's I mean, you cannot let tyrese Maxie, who's like,
You've been on this for about a year.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
He's an amazing player.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You gotta just grab him the back court foul, make
him make free throws, extend the game, get bruntsal on
the he's money.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, it's interesting in this in that game is how
many miss free throws there were. Nicks had big misses,
hard Max, he had big misses. It is amazing how
gifted these basketball players are. I mean, they're unbelievable. And
even the guards, even the guys that shoot free throws, well,
how many missed free throws happen.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It was funny.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I was watching the Lakers Nugget series a couple days ago,
and I don't remember, it was like eighty eighty one.
It was really close, and there was a five point
swing where like Austin Reeves missed a free throw the
first of two and then they came down and I
think it was Porter Jamal Murray hit a three, and
I'm like, that's a five point swing in eight seconds.
Those missed free throws, if somebody comes down and hits
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a three, those are if you don't hit the first one,
those are five.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Point plays in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And all it means is you just come down and
hit a three, and like Denver's got Porter can hit it,
and Yokic can hit it. In Murray, that's when you
played Denver, you gotta hit your free throws because man,
they are punitive. They will come right back. I mean,
Jokic is like a quarterback. He's throwing the deep ball constantly,
and so often when they throw the eat ball Denver does,
they don't go for the layup or dunk. He throws
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it on the wing and they saddle up in caseyp
sits there for three seconds and dials in a three.
So Denver is so good at burning you off miss
free throws or fast break opportunities. Those guys just go
to the wings and light it up.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
So it does sound like you're confident Knicks will still
win this series.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I nix to the better team the better right now
they're playing better basketball. I watched last night and the
whole game, I felt like, the Knicks, We're gonna win
the game then, and I was sitting there watching it.
At halftime, I went and uber to a friend's place
and had a little cocktail old chicken palm, you know,
and I'm sitting there watching it, and I'm like, you know,
the place I'm at erupts when MAXI hit it.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You're like, Oh, what a dagger that is? And then
you know that's that's playoff basketball.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You know. I was reading a story yesterday the NBA
is gonna sign these huge Amazon deals. NBC, whoever it is,
TNT is a bidding war for it. It's massive money.
You can complain all you want about the NBA regular season.
It is the load. Management to me, is a bad business, outrageous.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
But this league makes its money and these playoff games
are fantastic that you can't argue about. If you're making
money in life and you're living a good life, that's good.
And the playoff basketball games are absolutely great. I'm not
watching Pelicans, okay, see, I'll watch the next round.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
That one.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I haven't gotten too much, but I'm watching all that
like tonight MAVs Clippers.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Are we gonna hang out and watch that tonight? As
an ordering hole?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
We could?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I do have a hall pass for the night?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
You do?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
What happened? Well? I asked for one, I said, coward.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Coward needs a wingman.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
All right, let me know.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I do like the clips tonight.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Maybe we should hang out. I'm on the MAVs.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
What's the number?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I think three? MAVs favored by three?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I like the clips.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I listen they they've Actually what's really interesting about the
Clippers is they can play without Kawhi. What they can't
play is without a point guard. It's fascinating how valuable
Hardens become and how replaceable because Paul George pretty good
wing player. Obviously, Kawhi is like James Harden's the one
they need. I predict Westbrook off the bench tonight is
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very good. Watch the Clippers bench to.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Night bold Okay.
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
There's a story out this morning. Two sources, one of
them Mark Stein, that Yannis his reaction to the Bucks
eventually losing this series. And I think they will nice
win last night without Damon Yannis, but I think they're
going to lose the series to Indiana. Multiple teams are
monitoring what Milwaukee's gonna do. And I feel like, if
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you just counted the good NBA teams, and there's probably
like ten to twelve whatever the number is, just the
good teams. Let's not talk about, like, you know, lousy teams,
and the NBA has got a pretty big swath of
bad teams. If you just talk about the good teams,
they're all in two tiers, two camps. The first one
is sort of a sending championship capable pretty soon or now.
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That would be Denver, that would be Boston. That would
be ok See, that would be Minnesota. That would be
the Knicks. They may need a piece, they may not
quite be there, but they're growing, they're ascending. You could
see a championship happening, and it's a realistic view. The
second tier is these teams that are clinging, I think
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somewhat delusionally to an old plan Golden State, Lakers, Clippers, Sons, Sixers, Bucks,
Miami Heat. Unfortunately, Tier two the teams that I think
are a bit delusional. They always use two exclusive excuses.
They always use two excuses when they lose. The first
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one is, well, if blank was just healthy, if embiid Kawhi,
Jimmy Butler, you know, Bradley Beal, whatever it is. It's
always the first one for tier two is if this
guy was just healthy. But the funny thing is if
you go back and look at that star or that guy,
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he's hurt all the time. And their second excuse is,
oas well, we just need a new coach. It's a
coach's fault. Lakers are into this way. We gotta need
a new coach. Do you realize the Lakers, Sixers and
Bucks have all had three different head coaches in six years.
That's embarrassing. Those are big brands like Lakers, six Ers, Bucks,
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three different head coaches six years. I think Milwaukee. My
opinion is I'd blow it up. This is an old roster.
They're they're not built, They're not It was a nice
win last night. Now, you could do a lot of
different things to blow it up. You'd preferably keep Janie
and move everything Middleton, Dame Brook, lopet whatever you got
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to move or if Jannis wants out, you would get
a hall that may only be rivaled back in nineteen
seventy one with what the Bocks got for moving Luel
Sinder later Kareem Abuel Jabbar. I mean, you could get
five first ones, multiple All Stars. But I think Milwaukee's
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kind of fallen into this Laker thing. You knows, run
the coach out, Doc Rivers, he'll solve it. Darvin Ham,
let's get rid of him. No, that's that's not the answer.
I just I think Milwaukee is further away, and the
Clippers are further away, and the Lakers are further away.
Doesn't mean they don't they can't win a series, or
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they don't have really good pieces and a sharp general manager.
That's not what it's saying. But I mean, I'm reading
this story this morning. Two people that have been in
this league a long time are saying people are monitoring
the situation. Well, that tells you there's tension in the
building if they're monitoring. Nobody can keep a secret in
pro sports. I mean, nobody can keep a secret in
the NBA. So if stuff's out, people want it out,
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and there's stuff that should be out. Jmck with a
news no turn.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Start with the Boston Celtics, who will look to close
out their series with the Heat tonight, but they're gonna
do it without Chris Staph Porzingis. According to Porzingis, is
expected to miss a minimum of several games due to
a calf strain, the same injury Yannis has been dealing with.
You could see watching here, Porzingis just comes up. Lame,
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everybody scared. I don't know, Wold.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Says, several games. Let's just say he's.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Not playing the next round against Orlando or Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Will he play in the conference finals.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
We'll see why. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, they have the luxury of being so deep.
Derek White's their fifth best player. Now he'll move up
to their fourth best player. They don't need to play Porzengis,
so just rested them. Like in this series Yannis needs
to play. Indiana is a bad matchup for milwng No.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
But Yannis has been out a month with this injury,
about a month. So this idea that let's say Porzingis
takes all of May off come back for the NBA Finals.
They would need him against Denver or Minnesota. I think
they're gonna be okay without Porzingis.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I mean, it's not gonna be They're got to steamroll people.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I think they would struggle against Minnesota in the finals
or Denver. The size Porzingis is really valuable against the
top Western teams. I don't think they need him in
the East.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Really.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I mean, like, let's slay Orlando, wins Plo, Bankero, awesome
night last night.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, Mitchell Robinson's not an offensive threat. Yeah, they think
the last you need Porzingis, you don't need He's one hundred.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Percent of Next up is Lebron's future with the Lakers.
I feel like it's gonna be a talking point for
the next two months. After the first round playoff exit
to Denver, Lebron has made it clear he wants to
play with Bronni.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
However, it sounds like he's changing course on that.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
According to WoDES, the goal for Bronni is for him
to go through the pre draft process see if there's
a right developmental system and organization to maximize his growth.
His freshman year at US he kind of went sideways
due to the heart issue.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
He never really had a chance.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And it's a bad draft he may be a reach
in some drafts. This draft is out of players by
like twelve.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
But it also won made it sound like Lebron is
not wedded to playing with his son. I don't think
Lebron wants some inferior team just to draft him.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And I say, Lebron, we got it. Come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Lebron also just lost a playoff series and they could
use another perimeter shooter. If the Lakers could go grab
the best available perimeter shooter in the draft, that would
help Dad. He'd probably wanted. Bronny needs to chart his
own course. I mean, I think there was a quote
in this story that let Brownie's a smart kid, let
him chart his own course. I think he's much better
getting out from underdad and doing his own thing.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I wou I would tend to it's a cool idea
to want to play with your son, but.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't think it's outrageous to draft him. But I
also I think it's probably better for Bronni to do
his own thing. I think eventually, if you look at
famous dads and their sons, the ones that chart their
own path tend to do pretty well.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah. Now, the interesting angle here with Lebron in free
agency Colin Obviously, this is an Olympic summer. We know
on the Olympic team in Paris is Kevin Durant. We
know on the Olympic team is Steph Curry. There will
probably be some recruiting. I just looked it up US Hoops.
Training camp for the Olympic team begins July sixth in Vegas.
We know that July one is the NBA free agency period.
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Should Lebron be looking around and then he goes to
camp and he's hanging out with Curry. We know the
Warriors did go after him. Remember at the trade deadline,
they made some calls. We know Kevin Durant's going to
be there. Like this NBA all season's about to get
real interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Thankesadent.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Those Olympic years are interesting, aren't they. I wish somebody
would do a survey if you go back to the
last ten Olympic years, how often players that played together
at the Olympic years like ended up eventually becoming friends
maybe playing together. I remember when Lebron was in Cleveland.
Remember when he broke into the league, he kind of
felt like he was going to stay in Cleveland forever.
He was the Akron kid. And then he goes to
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the Olympics and plays with really good players, and he
comes back and he goes to Miami. He's like, yeah,
it's really fun to play with all stars like you. You
don't have to do all the lifting every night in Cleveland.
And then eventually when he came back to Cleveland, he
made sure you know Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love. He didn't
want Andrew Wiggins. He didn't want the draft picks. He's like, no, no,
I've done. I've done the young guys that aren't great,
and I've done the old veterans that are great. I'm
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coming back to Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. I don't
want draft picks. So it's funny for like, you put
these young ascending stars on these teams and they look around,
and it's like I would get impatient too. You look
around and like, I got my guys back in Indiana,
or I can play with a great player. So the
Olympics sound great for your favorite player to go, but
he's going to be introduced. He's going to be introduced
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to the bells of the ball all through the league,
and these guys hang out NonStop for whatever amount of
period of time it is.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
They talk other.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Guys on the roster. Devin Booker, who we talked about.
I mean, you think Phoenix would trade him? I cannot
imagine that they would.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
This young man.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Named Anthony Edwards in Minnesota, Well, we'll see how he
goes in the playoffs here. But are people going to
be like, I want to play with Anthony Edwards? Like
I want to get in that business? Tyrese Haliburton, Drew Holiday, Kawhi, Leonard,
Jason Tatum, and Joel.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Embief is on the same health pending, of course.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Final story is the Atlanta Falcons and the Kirk Cousins move,
followed by the Michael Pennox move.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
We've heard their defense of the draft pick, which I
think is questionable. You disagree.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Assistant GM Kyle Smith spoke about how the team views
their quarterback situation.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
It's an unsettling feeling sitting there in twenty one. I'll
never forget sitting there with Terry and being like, Okay, well,
what's our future, what's our plan for the future. How
are we going to solidify down the road? What we
did to get Kirk Cousins tells everybody what we believe
about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He's our guy.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
We set ourselves up and in the draft Michael Pennix
was there, and it's a quarterback, a young quarterback that
we believe in.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
We pulled the trigger.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
So now we feel really good at five years minimum.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I'll go back to saying this. Jay Glazer has
a quote, the worst thing in the world in the
NFL is driving to the facility every day knowing you
can't compete at quarterback. If you're gonna be heavy anywhere
overpay at quarterback, you can get out of it again.
The Packers Aaron Rodgers cappit was forty million dollars. I
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think it was last year. Whatever I said earlier that
Aaron Rodgers caphit, Jordan Loved Bald, nobody cared. Nobody cared
Green Bay suddenly with all those young draft picks at receiver,
tight end and Jordan Love, they got no cat problems.
You gave the bottom line Tampa Bay. Tom Brady's cappit
was like thirty five million dollars. You're like dead cat, Like,
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oh my god. All of a sudden you watch Baker
and you're like, dude's balling.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
So some fluky stuff happened like.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Historically dead Cappit equals you can't really compete.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Yes, the Bucks nailed every free Erams nailed the draft pack.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I give you a four example, hold on Packerd. Jordan
Love sat for three years. Jordan loved sitting around, Like,
come on, he sat for three years. And by the way,
halfway through the season, we were still like ooh.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
At the end of the season, we weren't.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Yes, fair it. I'll just I'll repeat it. Michael Pennix
walks into the building, Yo, what's up everybody? Hey, how
are you?
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You got to take first team snaps. Kirk Cousin's still
not ready. Oh well, Michael Pennick's trying to make this
his team.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And then it's like, and that's my problem. That's like again,
that's like paying a lot in taxes. But that's a
rich guy.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
From Why did you sign Kirk Cousins if this option
was there?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
There again, remember this, you didn't know the option was
going to be there. This draft was totally circumstantial. Totally
circum I kept saying this before the draft. I knew
the New York Giants had like seven options. I had
somebody close to the Giants that knows. People in the building,
they're like, they don't know what they're doing. They're waiting
to see what's available. We thought the Chargers were going back.
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So Atlanta's sitting there at eight and they're like, they
clearly thought Pennix was the one guy outside of like
Caleb maybe like Pennix was their guy, and they thought
he would go at three somewhere, saying people would move
up to four to five to six. Then it's eight
and there are guys there and they're thinking Pennix. And
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then we find out the Raiders made a move. I
got that confirmed. The Raiders made a call on Pennix,
the Saints made a call, the Seahawks made a call.
Minnesota must have sort of liked him, because well, I
won't say that they didn't like JJ McCarthy as much
as we thought. So the idea that Atlanta had eight
knew Pennix was going to be available.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
We knew.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You and I both kept saying before the draft, all
these quarterbacks are gonna be done by like fifty eighteen.
You and I didn't think Pennix was falling to the
second or bow nixt. I kept saying, bo is going
to Denver. You kept saying Penix to Miami or Seattle,
which I have believed in. So this idea that everybody
in the draft knew what was going to happen, I
think Atlanta sat there and went, oh god, oh god.
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Nobody moved up for the Chargers. Pennix is there, Get him,
figure it out. Sometimes you do things in life and
figure it out later. I remember, I'll tell you this.
I have a little company. I remember when I knew
I could hire Draymond Green for my podcast. My company
was very young and didn't have the money to I
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told my people, get him, we'll figure it out later.
And he's been a hit. Sometimes in life you just
get people and you just figure out everything else. You
don't have a plan in life for everything.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
So the part of that feels like process versus results.
What is your process to build a team in Atlanta?
And I say it's sorry ass backwards. You look at
their last four first round picks, all top ten, very
questionable moves, tight end running back now quarterback, which may
have been a reach after paying Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
I just don't think the process for Atlanta has been there.
Could they win the division? Sure, they may win the division.
The division their heavy favorite stra but the process to
get there I don't think is right. And I don't think.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Long term this guy's saying over the next five years
will feel great.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Okay, I disagree.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Well, I feel better than Tennessee does. They don't think
they have they don't know if they.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Have one quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
They're a If you look at the betting market, Tennessee
is dead last, maybe the worst team in the league. Well,
Atlanta's favored to win their division. So the betting market
is telling you, and we know quarterbacks are the most
valuable player. The betting market's telling you Atlanta is in
good shape. Tennessee's in bad shape. Would you rather have
a better process and no quarterback in Tennessee or kind
of a wonky process and two quarterbacks in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Well, I'm all take the wonky process.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Trotting out your gun show buddy Will Levis for this year.
See what he's got. If he flopps, oh well, we're
drafting in the top five nixt.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know, Mike, Mike Tyson. Everybody's got a plan till
I hit him in the face. Logan Paul or Jake
Paul's got a big process and a great plan for
the fight.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Mike Tyson's like, I'm gonna knock you out.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Everybody loves the and I love the process, and I
think the process is valuable. But sometimes you're Alabama and
Johnny Manziel comes out and he's us winging it nad Livin.
You look up and you lose the game. The process
doesn't Ohays determine the results. Sometimes you're like, oh crap,
that guy's available. By the way, the Rams were watching
brock Bowers fall, and the Rams are like, whoa. The
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Rams made a call on brock Bowers. They thought he'd
be gobbled up, and you're like, he's there at ten,
he's there at nine. The Jets didn't take him, and
the Rams did all that process. They wanted Jared Verse,
and all of a sudden, it's like, we're shelving Jared Verse.
Let's make a call on brock Bowers because they didn't
think he'd be available. I think Atlanta went, oh crap,
Michael Pennix is available. Forget the process, get him. The
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process was to get Kirk Cousins. They made that determination
probably six months in advance. Pennix was, oh crap, he
fell to or a laughing drafted.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
By the way, how do you think Pennix fields, assuming
Kirk Cousins is ready to go week one and cans
and everything. How do you think pedix Fiel's walking in, Hey, Mike,
you're gonna sit for two years, buddy chill. How do
you think he feels about that? That played five years
of college football when through tons of injuries, he's ready
to go.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
He's one of the best quarterbacks of the country.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Patrick Mahomes knew he was better than Alexis.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Couldn't win anything at Texas Tech. He did, He win
a Bowl game.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Quarterback Pete Treger was releasing video the Chiefs had fed
him and literally Mahomes in camp like Andy Reid was
telling people, oh my god. And they said, young man,
you're gonna sit. And Mahomes the most talented player on
the face of the earth, not Panis. Mahomes sat for
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six weeks.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
They had a process.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
We've got alex Smith, a former number one pick, we
went to the playoffs. We're gonna draft him out, trade
up for Mahomes, sit him for a year, and then
he's gonna ball out your life.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You think you've got all planned out people have their
lives planned out, and all of a sudden, the wife
comes in and says, you know, I'm pregnant.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Life changed, didn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Life's all about Oh yo, by the way you had
Sometimes you're sitting around and you're like, oh my god,
you know that house. We always wanted to know those
people they're putting it up for sale. Oh we just
changed how we viewed our entire families. Living situation stuff changes.
Outline your life in pencil, not ten. Outline your life
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in pencil. Atlanta outlined it in pencil. Oh crap, penix
is available. Get him. That's how you do it. I
do think planning is important, but sometimes the best plans
don't work. Jmck with the news, Well that's the news,
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and thanks for stopping by the Herdline News after a
long day. I mean I just threw pregnancy literally into
the rant. I mean that, really, that was the icing
on the cake right there. Childbirth always closes a rant,
There's no doubt about that.
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games in hockey aren't getting that. Like on a lot
of nights. So I was thinking about the Knicks. The
Knicks lost last night. I think they're gonna win the series.
I think they're the better team. I like their construction.
I mean, they're doing this without Julius Randall, who you
know probably won't be there in a year. The Knicks
feel real right now, like here's you're watching a real team.
(35:24):
They have a real hole. They're very Jalen bruntson dependent.
Josh Hart is becoming their number two. He leads the
NBA in playoff minutes. Like Josh Hart, they're asking him
to be a two and he's not. He'd be he'd
be a really nice player as a four on a
championship team, maybe a three. But the guy leads the
NBA in playoff minutes. He's thirty three to third in scoring,
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so he's he's a four. He's like, it'd be like
asking Austin Reeves for the Lakers to be Lebron's two,
or he's not. He's a four. A two is Jamal Murray.
A two is Booker, And this is where I think
it's interesting. It's why k D to the Knicks is
not delusional. It's the piece because KD may have more
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gifts offensively, although the way Brunson's playing, who knows. But
Brunson is the leader of this team. He has established
himself as a one. When Nick fans were clamoring for
KD when he left Golden State, you were delusional. There
was no reason to go there. But to go to
the Knicks now is not delusional. It's real. So Brunson's
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an a. There's no reason for KD to come in
and be annointed to one. Brunson's your quarterback. But all
quarterbacks need a great receiver. A great target can be
a tight end, can be a wide receiver. Asking Josh
Hart to be a two is like asking a blocking
tight end to be Travis Kelcey. It's just not fair.
He's a three to a four, probably a four, but
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a great four on a championship team, you know, like
a really nice four. You may have to give him
up to get KD whatever it is, but you gotta
find somebody with Jalen Brunson that doesn't take the ball
out of his hands and KD doesn't. Kd's probably the
best guy in the league in fifteen years. Klay Thompson
(37:12):
was up there too, that you can just get the
ball to late in the shot clock and he can
hit a bucket.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
KD is as good as anybody. I've seen, not many
guys better, And so you got to get the right start.
When I hear Donovan Mitchell to the Knicks, that doesn't work.
That doesn't work. I don't want that. We saw Luca
and Jalen Brunson. People are saying, well, I didn't know
Jalen Brunson was that good. Well, you couldn't tell because
he didn't have the ball enough. So the Knicks now
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for KD. That fits, and the Knicks have several things
that they got to get on this. First of all,
Jalen Brunson is playing a lot of minutes and hard
playoff minutes. You don't know if he's gonna break down.
Kd's also gonna be thirty six at the start of
next season. The Knicks role players right now have good contracts.
There's you know they're gonna be there unless they're traded
for a couple of years. So you've got and the
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East is really wide open outside of Boston, the East
is wide open. And uh so this is the time
for the Knicks. And generally the Knicks have been very
impatient and made really bad moves. KD makes a ton
of sense. He's getting older. You can't keep asking Brunson
to be a workhorse at this level. Josh Hart's not
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a two. The East is weak. Your role players are
under reasonable contracts. Also, Brunson has he makes good money
right now. Jalen Brunson in two years is gonna be
with this new all these new TV networks. Ye I
mean he's gonna be. He's gonna be paid top of
the market. You know, a year and a half, two
years he's not now. Jalen's contract's very workable. So this
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is the time. Go get KD.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Nick right on KD potentially being a.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Nick as a basketball fan, would love to see him
have one final arc somewhere else. I think Lebron James
bringing the New York Knicks to the NBA Finals for
the first time in a quarter century would be pretty great.
I think he would fit, you know, in that Julius
Randalls spot quite well, I also think four rings for
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four franchises would be unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, feels right.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
But when the Knicks thought they had a shot at
a Lebron or a KD years ago, nothing was right.
The front office wasn't right, the pieces weren't right. If
you put on paper, what are the Knicks need, you'd
be like a great catch and shoot score Clay Thompson
in his prime, who didn't need the ball, Steph would
get it to him. Late k D right now and
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got I think Kd's got at least two more great
years left, maybe three, maybe more, but he played a
lot of games this year, there's been some injuries. Now's
the time to go get KD. And it's not if
you look at the last twenty years of the Knicks,
it's not a reach, it's not crazy, it's not delusional.
It actually is perfect. It's the kind of thing Miami's
done for years in year to go get a star
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alongside d Wade, like they got Shack or a Lebron.
And when you looked at those moves, you're like, yeah,
that's a really smart move. Big swings are important, but
the Knicks have had a history of kind of missing
on their big swings. This big swing makes complete sense.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
So like Lebron is the system wherever he goes everything
orbits around him, Kevin Durant just slides right into the
Warriors seamless perfect I think Durant, He's not a system, right, Jalen.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Brunts it to me. Is the system?
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yes, everything orbits around him and Kevin Durant fits perfectly.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
That'd be exciting and I think the NBA needs it.
It's getting more European. The Lakers look like they're kind
of jammed up, like the Knicks being great. Is It's time?
It would be wonderful for the league. Hour two coming
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One hour from now, Jmac, I do my post free
agent post draft NFL standings. I'm allowed to tweak it twice,
but I'll do that one hour from now. So yesterday
we did the Herd hierarchy post draft. Now I'll give
you the standings. By the way, what you find in
the NFL, figuring out the one in the four is
not very difficult. The fours, the bottom teams most we
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all have bad cornerback situations. That's a real easy one.
The ones we can argue between a couple of teams.
But the bottom end of the league, and there's not
that many, but there's about five easy calls in.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
This league, I would say, I'm clamoring to know your
AFC East winner.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
I think it's a slam dunk in the Jets, obviously,
but we'll.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
See so Nicks sixers.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's amazing how even the game was last night. I
went and got the box score this morning. Points in
the paint, turnovers, rebounds, free throw percentage, field goal percentage,
right across the board.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's even.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It just came down to MAXI hit a couple of
great shots earlier in the season. Earlier in the series,
Jalen Brunson was hitting the big shots that, in a
nutshell is the NBA Playoffs. It doesn't matter who plays better,
who star delivers late. Lakers lead the Nuggets for seventy
percent of the series. Jamal Murray two for two in
game winners last night Cleveland, Orlando. Evan Mobley the big
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block for Cleveland, their star player, one of their star players.
So the Knicks I thought had it wrapped up. They
led by six twenty eight seconds left. Game seven is
in New York. I don't think they'll need it. I
think the Knicks will win in Game six. I still
like the Knicks. I love their coaching. I like how
they played. Maxi hit a couple of brilliant shots, and
he's an amazing player who you know, I've been a
fan of for multiple years. The problem for Philadelphia winning
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last night, and it is a problem.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's just a game.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is this going to make them It shouldn't, but is
it gonna make them have false hope?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Hey, this series is a go either way series.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
If embiid was healthy and Bead's been healthy for a
lot of the years, and they can't win a second
playoff series. And if not for heroic great shots last night,
this series would be a gentleman's sweep. And that's the
problem with Philadelphia. Maxi being amazing, coming back six down
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twenty eight seconds left, it's making Phililadelphia think, Yeah, this
is a go either way series. No, it's not Nicks
to the better team. They've been better coached, they've been
more reliable, they've been tougher, they've gotten the big rebounds late.
Last night, they didn't get the big shots late. So
sometimes in the playoffs, what happens is the delusion kicks in, thinking, Man,
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if we didn't just have blank, blank and blank. You
have to be honest with yourself in this league. A
lot of teams aren't honest with themselves. Philadelphia has got issues.
I love MAXI I'd keep him, I'd strongly consider moving
mbeat mbaid has been disappointing in the fourth. He's not
around the glass in the fourth, and frankly, he gets
(03:38):
hurt a lot. He just played forty eight minutes last night.
He's got one game rest. They go back to his place.
Philadelphia Knicks are gonna win that game. Knicks had the series,
Knicks had the game. It was a Knicks night. They
were the better team. Maxie was great. It happens. It happens,
But don't let that cloud the truth about this series
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or the truth about your future. The future for the
Knicks is very bright. I mean, if they landed KD,
what would we say in a month? The future for
the Sixers is murky.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
What do you do with him? Beat Max, He's great.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Tobias Harris and Bead other pieces gonna go through another coach.
Here's Tom Tibbs Thibodeau.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
After tough way to lose a ball game. You know,
so we had a lead, we got to play tougher
with the lead. We filed in a situation that we
didn't want to file in and then you know, in
the end, MAXI makes a big shot, so you know
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we got.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To do better.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes, So I want to talk about something, and this
is something I've been you know, when I defended Atlanta's
draft pick when they got Kirk Cousins and Michael Pennox
and people really freaked out.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You paid Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What. So here's what's interesting. So the Broncos this morning,
the Broncos this morning think they have the guy bo Nicks. Analytically.
There's a story this morning from Adam Schefter. They think
bo Nicks is ready to play right now and will
be as good as any quarterback of all this rookie class.
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So suddenly this franchise that was a mess and all
this dead cap money with Russell Wilson, they took a
big swing on it. I said, Denver, big swing Russell Wilson.
I'm here for it. Everybody now freaks out. But if
bo Nicks can play, they just got Zach Wilson. He'll
get a reboot, talented kid. And they have Jarrett Stidham
who they could use potentially as a very nice trade piece.
(05:45):
Sixty six quarterbacks played in the NFL last year. Pretty
nice to have three guys and you could move two
of them, and you think you have the future in
bo Nicks. And this is why I've defended Atlanta. If
you're gonna have more talent than you need right now
in the NFL, make it at quarterback. Eventually you can
move backups. I mean, good god, Arizona was able to
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get a draft pick out of Josh Dobbs last year
in the middle of the season. Minnesota was so desperate.
So if bone Nicks hits, the Russell Wilson drama is irrelevant.
And I'm gonna tell you something now. And nobody wants
to say this because fear drives so many decisions in
the NFL and in life. People are very fear based.
(06:26):
I mean, go to the internet about the election. It's
all fear based. Everything's fear based. Nobody's optimistic. Everybody's negative.
The word dead cap when you hear that, everybody thinks, oh,
it's a funeral. It's an NFL funeral. Dead cap money.
I would much rather have teams take swings and end
up with a little dead cap. Give you an example,
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the Green Bay Packers last year. Do you know how
much dead cap money.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
They had.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Forty million dollars. They not only made the playoffs, they
went in. The Dallas rolled them. Why because Jordan loved Bald.
The Buccaneers made the playoffs last year thirty five million
dollars of dead cap. They made the playoffs. Why because
Baker Mayfiel Bald. They took a swing. They took a
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big swing on Brady. They won a Super Bowl. Who
the hell cares if they have dead cap money, go
get another quarterback. Well, it doesn't end there. The Rams
last year, listen to this, eighty million dollars of dead
cap made the playoffs in a rebuild year. Why because
they take big swings and Matt Stafford can ball in Philadelphia,
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remember that twenty twenty one Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
What a disaster that contract is.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They took a big swing, huge dead cap money, but
they drafted Jalen Hurts. He ends up being good with
the right coach. As Philadelphia struggled in recent years, been
pretty good football team Philadelphia, The Rams, the Packers, funny Buccaneers,
(08:09):
They're all fine. They took swings. Tampa took a swing
on Brady and got a Super Bowl. You think they
regret it today four of the five highest dead cap
hits last year made the playoffs. In the playoffs, Green
Bay took a big swing. They moved off Aaron Rodgers.
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Buccaneers made a big swing with Brady won a Super Bowl,
and then they took a swing on Baker. If bo
Nicks can play, then the Russell Wilson thing, it's gonna
be last year's news. Nobody's gonna care. Where you don't
want to be in the NBA. Where you don't want
to be is in the middle. You're just you're in
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quicksand you're not terrible, You're not great. A big swing
can make you great and get your ring, and if
it blows up, you get a better draft pick. It's
like the Phoenix Suns took a huge swing on Katie
and Bradley Beal. Everybody's freaking out, but you know who
could really use Kevin Durant, The New York Knicks, and
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they got picks and they got good young players take swings.
The whole Russell Wilson thing, it's the end up. If
bow Knicks can play, the dude completed seventy seven percent
of his passes last year. He's Drew Brees with mobility,
potentially that Russell Wilson drama won't matter. It didn't for
the Rams, it didn't for the Packers, it didn't for
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the Bucks. For the top five dead cap hits made
the playoffs. Now, I'm not saying I'm rooting for it
or it's ideal, but it's not as punitive as everybody
makes it out to me. The San Francisco forty nine
Ers draft Trey Lance give up a boatload of picks
or in the Super Bowl, I think, doesn't he get
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into the NFC Championship. Take a big swing. It's either
going to get you gold bars and trophies or close
to it. And if not, it's amazing the opportunities that
arise if you hit in a draft pick. You don't
even have to have. Caleb Williams, Rock Purdy is getting
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to big games. Bow Knicks can absolutely do the same
with Sean Payton. All right, Knicks are freaking out, by
the way. Here is Albert Breer earlier this week on
the Broncos confidence. What they believe Bonicks is.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
When Sean Payton got the numbers back from their analytics people.
I'm telling you, like in so many different categories, critical categories.
Bon Nix was number one. So you had the play style,
you had all these critical categories, and then you had
the meeting in Eugene. And I'll give you one anecdote.
Sean Payton pointed down at bo Knick's backpack and said,
what do you have in there? So bo Knicks emptied
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his backpack. He had a pair of football cleats, he
had a roll of athletic tape, and he had a
lacrosse ball in there that he uses to crack his back.
And the Broncos looked at that and said, this kid
is all about football.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
They're gonna be fine in Denver as long as Bownicks
can play, and I think he can. So I thought
the Knicks last night, I thought it was all sealed up,
just like you thought the Lakers had so many games
in that series sealed up. But in the end, you know, Max,
he's a shot maker, and Bronson's a shot maker, and
Jamal Murray's a shot maker. That's all the Lakers need.
Next year, Trey Young another shot maker Nicks could use.
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Kevin Durant, great shot maker. Knicks are gonna win this
series though, You're on that right, I hope.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So Colin, listen, you know I coached my kids in
U sports and I play in men's leagues.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Up three less than ten seconds left. It's basic math.
You fell. You cannot let the guys do the three.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
They let Tyrese Maxey walk into a logo three up
by three. That is insanity. I cannot believe how badly
Tiboeau did that. We've seen that in the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You're blaming the coaching.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
No, no, no, hold on. I mean this is a
simple strategy, Colin. We saw this earlier with in the
Bucks Pacer series. Pacers are like, let's not foul Middleton
prayer three good over time, you have to foul up three.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Colin, you know this.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I mean, why would you let Tyrese Maxie, who's already
cooking you, he's got forty points at the time, walk
into a three point?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, you do realize the best three point shooters in
the league shoot thirty eight and a half percent. That
means over seventy percent of the time they don't make
that shot. I don't know, seems like the numbers are
on my side.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I'm definitely fouling all. I mean, all the smart math
guys foul so that's what I would do. But listen,
Thibodeau has I don't think he answered that question.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Mitchell Robinson owned it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
He was like, listen, I made a stupid foul to
give the four point play to Maxie.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Colin, You've got a foul up three.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
That's I mean, you cannot let tyrese Maxie, who's like,
You've been on this for about a year.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
He's an amazing player.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You gotta just grab him the back court foul, make
him make free throws, extend the game, get bruntsal on
the he's money.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, it's interesting in this in that game is how
many miss free throws there were. Nicks had big misses,
hard Max, he had big misses. It is amazing how
gifted these basketball players are. I mean, they're unbelievable. And
even the guards, even the guys that shoot free throws, well,
how many missed free throws happen.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It was funny.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I was watching the Lakers Nugget series a couple days ago,
and I don't remember, it was like eighty eighty one.
It was really close, and there was a five point
swing where like Austin Reeves missed a free throw the
first of two and then they came down and I
think it was Porter Jamal Murray hit a three, and
I'm like, that's a five point swing in eight seconds.
Those missed free throws, if somebody comes down and hits
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a three, those are if you don't hit the first one,
those are five.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Point plays in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And all it means is you just come down and
hit a three, and like Denver's got Porter can hit it,
and Yokic can hit it. In Murray, that's when you
played Denver, you gotta hit your free throws because man,
they are punitive. They will come right back. I mean,
Jokic is like a quarterback. He's throwing the deep ball constantly,
and so often when they throw the eat ball Denver does,
they don't go for the layup or dunk. He throws
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it on the wing and they saddle up in caseyp
sits there for three seconds and dials in a three.
So Denver is so good at burning you off miss
free throws or fast break opportunities. Those guys just go
to the wings and light it up.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
So it does sound like you're confident Knicks will still
win this series.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I nix to the better team the better right now
they're playing better basketball. I watched last night and the
whole game, I felt like, the Knicks, We're gonna win
the game then, and I was sitting there watching it.
At halftime, I went and uber to a friend's place
and had a little cocktail old chicken palm, you know,
and I'm sitting there watching it, and I'm like, you know,
the place I'm at erupts when MAXI hit it.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You're like, Oh, what a dagger that is? And then
you know that's that's playoff basketball.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You know. I was reading a story yesterday the NBA
is gonna sign these huge Amazon deals. NBC, whoever it is,
TNT is a bidding war for it. It's massive money.
You can complain all you want about the NBA regular season.
It is the load. Management to me, is a bad business, outrageous.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
But this league makes its money and these playoff games
are fantastic that you can't argue about. If you're making
money in life and you're living a good life, that's good.
And the playoff basketball games are absolutely great. I'm not
watching Pelicans, okay, see, I'll watch the next round.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
That one.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I haven't gotten too much, but I'm watching all that
like tonight MAVs Clippers.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Are we gonna hang out and watch that tonight? As
an ordering hole?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
We could?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I do have a hall pass for the night?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
You do?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
What happened? Well? I asked for one, I said, coward.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Coward needs a wingman.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
All right, let me know.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I do like the clips tonight.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Maybe we should hang out. I'm on the MAVs.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
What's the number?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I think three? MAVs favored by three?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I like the clips.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I listen they they've Actually what's really interesting about the
Clippers is they can play without Kawhi. What they can't
play is without a point guard. It's fascinating how valuable
Hardens become and how replaceable because Paul George pretty good
wing player. Obviously, Kawhi is like James Harden's the one
they need. I predict Westbrook off the bench tonight is
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very good. Watch the Clippers bench to.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Night bold Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
There's a story out this morning. Two sources, one of
them Mark Stein, that Yannis his reaction to the Bucks
eventually losing this series. And I think they will nice
win last night without Damon Yannis, but I think they're
going to lose the series to Indiana. Multiple teams are
monitoring what Milwaukee's gonna do. And I feel like, if
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you just counted the good NBA teams, and there's probably
like ten to twelve whatever the number is, just the
good teams. Let's not talk about, like, you know, lousy teams,
and the NBA has got a pretty big swath of
bad teams. If you just talk about the good teams,
they're all in two tiers, two camps. The first one
is sort of a sending championship capable pretty soon or now.
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That would be Denver, that would be Boston. That would
be ok See, that would be Minnesota. That would be
the Knicks. They may need a piece, they may not
quite be there, but they're growing, they're ascending. You could
see a championship happening, and it's a realistic view. The
second tier is these teams that are clinging, I think
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somewhat delusionally to an old plan Golden State, Lakers, Clippers, Sons, Sixers, Bucks,
Miami Heat. Unfortunately, Tier two the teams that I think
are a bit delusional. They always use two exclusive excuses.
They always use two excuses when they lose. The first
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one is, well, if blank was just healthy, if embiid Kawhi,
Jimmy Butler, you know, Bradley Beal, whatever it is. It's
always the first one for tier two is if this
guy was just healthy. But the funny thing is if
you go back and look at that star or that guy,
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he's hurt all the time. And their second excuse is,
oas well, we just need a new coach. It's a
coach's fault. Lakers are into this way. We gotta need
a new coach. Do you realize the Lakers, Sixers and
Bucks have all had three different head coaches in six years.
That's embarrassing. Those are big brands like Lakers, six Ers, Bucks,
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three different head coaches six years. I think Milwaukee. My
opinion is I'd blow it up. This is an old roster.
They're they're not built, They're not It was a nice
win last night. Now, you could do a lot of
different things to blow it up. You'd preferably keep Janie
and move everything Middleton, Dame Brook, lopet whatever you got
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to move or if Jannis wants out, you would get
a hall that may only be rivaled back in nineteen
seventy one with what the Bocks got for moving Luel
Sinder later Kareem Abuel Jabbar. I mean, you could get
five first ones, multiple All Stars. But I think Milwaukee's
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kind of fallen into this Laker thing. You knows, run
the coach out, Doc Rivers, he'll solve it. Darvin Ham,
let's get rid of him. No, that's that's not the answer.
I just I think Milwaukee is further away, and the
Clippers are further away, and the Lakers are further away.
Doesn't mean they don't they can't win a series, or
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they don't have really good pieces and a sharp general manager.
That's not what it's saying. But I mean, I'm reading
this story this morning. Two people that have been in
this league a long time are saying people are monitoring
the situation. Well, that tells you there's tension in the
building if they're monitoring. Nobody can keep a secret in
pro sports. I mean, nobody can keep a secret in
the NBA. So if stuff's out, people want it out,
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and there's stuff that should be out. Jmck with a
news no turn.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Start with the Boston Celtics, who will look to close
out their series with the Heat tonight, but they're gonna
do it without Chris Staph Porzingis. According to Porzingis, is
expected to miss a minimum of several games due to
a calf strain, the same injury Yannis has been dealing with.
You could see watching here, Porzingis just comes up. Lame,
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everybody scared. I don't know, Wold.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Says, several games. Let's just say he's.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Not playing the next round against Orlando or Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Will he play in the conference finals.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
We'll see why. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, they have the luxury of being so deep.
Derek White's their fifth best player. Now he'll move up
to their fourth best player. They don't need to play Porzengis,
so just rested them. Like in this series Yannis needs
to play. Indiana is a bad matchup for milwng No.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
But Yannis has been out a month with this injury,
about a month. So this idea that let's say Porzingis
takes all of May off come back for the NBA Finals.
They would need him against Denver or Minnesota. I think
they're gonna be okay without Porzingis.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I mean, it's not gonna be They're got to steamroll people.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I think they would struggle against Minnesota in the finals
or Denver. The size Porzingis is really valuable against the
top Western teams. I don't think they need him in
the East.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Really.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I mean, like, let's slay Orlando, wins Plo, Bankero, awesome
night last night.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, Mitchell Robinson's not an offensive threat. Yeah, they think
the last you need Porzingis, you don't need He's one hundred.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Percent of Next up is Lebron's future with the Lakers.
I feel like it's gonna be a talking point for
the next two months. After the first round playoff exit
to Denver, Lebron has made it clear he wants to
play with Bronni.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
However, it sounds like he's changing course on that.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
According to WoDES, the goal for Bronni is for him
to go through the pre draft process see if there's
a right developmental system and organization to maximize his growth.
His freshman year at US he kind of went sideways
due to the heart issue.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
He never really had a chance.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And it's a bad draft he may be a reach
in some drafts. This draft is out of players by
like twelve.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
But it also won made it sound like Lebron is
not wedded to playing with his son. I don't think
Lebron wants some inferior team just to draft him.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And I say, Lebron, we got it. Come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Lebron also just lost a playoff series and they could
use another perimeter shooter. If the Lakers could go grab
the best available perimeter shooter in the draft, that would
help Dad. He'd probably wanted. Bronny needs to chart his
own course. I mean, I think there was a quote
in this story that let Brownie's a smart kid, let
him chart his own course. I think he's much better
getting out from underdad and doing his own thing.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I wou I would tend to it's a cool idea
to want to play with your son, but.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't think it's outrageous to draft him. But I
also I think it's probably better for Bronni to do
his own thing. I think eventually, if you look at
famous dads and their sons, the ones that chart their
own path tend to do pretty well.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah. Now, the interesting angle here with Lebron in free
agency Colin Obviously, this is an Olympic summer. We know
on the Olympic team in Paris is Kevin Durant. We
know on the Olympic team is Steph Curry. There will
probably be some recruiting. I just looked it up US Hoops.
Training camp for the Olympic team begins July sixth in Vegas.
We know that July one is the NBA free agency period.
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Should Lebron be looking around and then he goes to
camp and he's hanging out with Curry. We know the
Warriors did go after him. Remember at the trade deadline,
they made some calls. We know Kevin Durant's going to
be there. Like this NBA all season's about to get
real interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Thankesadent.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Those Olympic years are interesting, aren't they. I wish somebody
would do a survey if you go back to the
last ten Olympic years, how often players that played together
at the Olympic years like ended up eventually becoming friends
maybe playing together. I remember when Lebron was in Cleveland.
Remember when he broke into the league, he kind of
felt like he was going to stay in Cleveland forever.
He was the Akron kid. And then he goes to
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the Olympics and plays with really good players, and he
comes back and he goes to Miami. He's like, yeah,
it's really fun to play with all stars like you. You
don't have to do all the lifting every night in Cleveland.
And then eventually when he came back to Cleveland, he
made sure you know Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love. He didn't
want Andrew Wiggins. He didn't want the draft picks. He's like, no, no,
I've done. I've done the young guys that aren't great,
and I've done the old veterans that are great. I'm
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coming back to Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. I don't
want draft picks. So it's funny for like, you put
these young ascending stars on these teams and they look around,
and it's like I would get impatient too. You look
around and like, I got my guys back in Indiana,
or I can play with a great player. So the
Olympics sound great for your favorite player to go, but
he's going to be introduced. He's going to be introduced
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to the bells of the ball all through the league,
and these guys hang out NonStop for whatever amount of
period of time it is.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
They talk other.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Guys on the roster. Devin Booker, who we talked about.
I mean, you think Phoenix would trade him? I cannot
imagine that they would.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
This young man.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Named Anthony Edwards in Minnesota, Well, we'll see how he
goes in the playoffs here. But are people going to
be like, I want to play with Anthony Edwards? Like
I want to get in that business? Tyrese Haliburton, Drew Holiday, Kawhi, Leonard,
Jason Tatum, and Joel.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Embief is on the same health pending, of course.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Final story is the Atlanta Falcons and the Kirk Cousins move,
followed by the Michael Pennox move.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
We've heard their defense of the draft pick, which I
think is questionable. You disagree.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Assistant GM Kyle Smith spoke about how the team views
their quarterback situation.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
It's an unsettling feeling sitting there in twenty one. I'll
never forget sitting there with Terry and being like, Okay, well,
what's our future, what's our plan for the future. How
are we going to solidify down the road? What we
did to get Kirk Cousins tells everybody what we believe
about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He's our guy.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
We set ourselves up and in the draft Michael Pennix
was there, and it's a quarterback, a young quarterback that
we believe in.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
We pulled the trigger.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
So now we feel really good at five years minimum.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I'll go back to saying this. Jay Glazer has
a quote, the worst thing in the world in the
NFL is driving to the facility every day knowing you
can't compete at quarterback. If you're gonna be heavy anywhere
overpay at quarterback, you can get out of it again.
The Packers Aaron Rodgers cappit was forty million dollars. I
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think it was last year. Whatever I said earlier that
Aaron Rodgers caphit, Jordan Loved Bald, nobody cared. Nobody cared
Green Bay suddenly with all those young draft picks at receiver,
tight end and Jordan Love, they got no cat problems.
You gave the bottom line Tampa Bay. Tom Brady's cappit
was like thirty five million dollars. You're like dead cat, Like,
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oh my god. All of a sudden you watch Baker
and you're like, dude's balling.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
So some fluky stuff happened like.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Historically dead Cappit equals you can't really compete.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Yes, the Bucks nailed every free Erams nailed the draft pack.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I give you a four example, hold on Packerd. Jordan
Love sat for three years. Jordan loved sitting around, Like,
come on, he sat for three years. And by the way,
halfway through the season, we were still like ooh.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
At the end of the season, we weren't.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Yes, fair it. I'll just I'll repeat it. Michael Pennix
walks into the building, Yo, what's up everybody? Hey, how
are you?
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You got to take first team snaps. Kirk Cousin's still
not ready. Oh well, Michael Pennick's trying to make this
his team.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And then it's like, and that's my problem. That's like again,
that's like paying a lot in taxes. But that's a
rich guy.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
From Why did you sign Kirk Cousins if this option
was there?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
There again, remember this, you didn't know the option was
going to be there. This draft was totally circumstantial. Totally
circum I kept saying this before the draft. I knew
the New York Giants had like seven options. I had
somebody close to the Giants that knows. People in the building,
they're like, they don't know what they're doing. They're waiting
to see what's available. We thought the Chargers were going back.
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So Atlanta's sitting there at eight and they're like, they
clearly thought Pennix was the one guy outside of like
Caleb maybe like Pennix was their guy, and they thought
he would go at three somewhere, saying people would move
up to four to five to six. Then it's eight
and there are guys there and they're thinking Pennix. And
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then we find out the Raiders made a move. I
got that confirmed. The Raiders made a call on Pennix,
the Saints made a call, the Seahawks made a call.
Minnesota must have sort of liked him, because well, I
won't say that they didn't like JJ McCarthy as much
as we thought. So the idea that Atlanta had eight
knew Pennix was going to be available.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
We knew.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You and I both kept saying before the draft, all
these quarterbacks are gonna be done by like fifty eighteen.
You and I didn't think Pennix was falling to the
second or bow nixt. I kept saying, bo is going
to Denver. You kept saying Penix to Miami or Seattle,
which I have believed in. So this idea that everybody
in the draft knew what was going to happen, I
think Atlanta sat there and went, oh god, oh god.
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Nobody moved up for the Chargers. Pennix is there, Get him,
figure it out. Sometimes you do things in life and
figure it out later. I remember, I'll tell you this.
I have a little company. I remember when I knew
I could hire Draymond Green for my podcast. My company
was very young and didn't have the money to I
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told my people, get him, we'll figure it out later.
And he's been a hit. Sometimes in life you just
get people and you just figure out everything else. You
don't have a plan in life for everything.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
So the part of that feels like process versus results.
What is your process to build a team in Atlanta?
And I say it's sorry ass backwards. You look at
their last four first round picks, all top ten, very
questionable moves, tight end running back now quarterback, which may
have been a reach after paying Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
I just don't think the process for Atlanta has been there.
Could they win the division? Sure, they may win the division.
The division their heavy favorite stra but the process to
get there I don't think is right. And I don't think.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Long term this guy's saying over the next five years
will feel great.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Okay, I disagree.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Well, I feel better than Tennessee does. They don't think
they have they don't know if they.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Have one quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
They're a If you look at the betting market, Tennessee
is dead last, maybe the worst team in the league. Well,
Atlanta's favored to win their division. So the betting market
is telling you, and we know quarterbacks are the most
valuable player. The betting market's telling you Atlanta is in
good shape. Tennessee's in bad shape. Would you rather have
a better process and no quarterback in Tennessee or kind
of a wonky process and two quarterbacks in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Well, I'm all take the wonky process.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Trotting out your gun show buddy Will Levis for this year.
See what he's got. If he flopps, oh well, we're
drafting in the top five nixt.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know, Mike, Mike Tyson. Everybody's got a plan till
I hit him in the face. Logan Paul or Jake
Paul's got a big process and a great plan for
the fight.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Mike Tyson's like, I'm gonna knock you out.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Everybody loves the and I love the process, and I
think the process is valuable. But sometimes you're Alabama and
Johnny Manziel comes out and he's us winging it nad Livin.
You look up and you lose the game. The process
doesn't Ohays determine the results. Sometimes you're like, oh crap,
that guy's available. By the way, the Rams were watching
brock Bowers fall, and the Rams are like, whoa. The
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Rams made a call on brock Bowers. They thought he'd
be gobbled up, and you're like, he's there at ten,
he's there at nine. The Jets didn't take him, and
the Rams did all that process. They wanted Jared Verse,
and all of a sudden, it's like, we're shelving Jared Verse.
Let's make a call on brock Bowers because they didn't
think he'd be available. I think Atlanta went, oh crap,
Michael Pennix is available. Forget the process, get him. The
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process was to get Kirk Cousins. They made that determination
probably six months in advance. Pennix was, oh crap, he
fell to or a laughing drafted.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
By the way, how do you think Pennix fields, assuming
Kirk Cousins is ready to go week one and cans
and everything. How do you think pedix Fiel's walking in, Hey, Mike,
you're gonna sit for two years, buddy chill. How do
you think he feels about that? That played five years
of college football when through tons of injuries, he's ready
to go.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
He's one of the best quarterbacks of the country.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Patrick Mahomes knew he was better than Alexis.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Couldn't win anything at Texas Tech. He did, He win
a Bowl game.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Quarterback Pete Treger was releasing video the Chiefs had fed
him and literally Mahomes in camp like Andy Reid was
telling people, oh my god. And they said, young man,
you're gonna sit. And Mahomes the most talented player on
the face of the earth, not Panis. Mahomes sat for
(32:29):
six weeks.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
They had a process.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
We've got alex Smith, a former number one pick, we
went to the playoffs. We're gonna draft him out, trade
up for Mahomes, sit him for a year, and then
he's gonna ball out your life.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You think you've got all planned out people have their
lives planned out, and all of a sudden, the wife
comes in and says, you know, I'm pregnant.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Life changed, didn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Life's all about Oh yo, by the way you had
Sometimes you're sitting around and you're like, oh my god,
you know that house. We always wanted to know those
people they're putting it up for sale. Oh we just
changed how we viewed our entire families. Living situation stuff changes.
Outline your life in pencil, not ten. Outline your life
(33:13):
in pencil. Atlanta outlined it in pencil. Oh crap, penix
is available. Get him. That's how you do it. I
do think planning is important, but sometimes the best plans
don't work. Jmck with the news, Well that's the news,
(33:35):
and thanks for stopping by the Herdline News after a
long day. I mean I just threw pregnancy literally into
the rant. I mean that, really, that was the icing
on the cake right there. Childbirth always closes a rant,
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
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Speaker 3 (34:04):
And I'm Joe Madden.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
We're gonna be around to talk a little bit about
managerial decisions and what may have accredit to that dog
got maybe in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
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We're gonna dive into what goes on in the dugout
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Speaker 5 (34:18):
Baseball, cars, wind whatever else we want to talk about.
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Speaker 4 (34:29):
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Speaker 5 (34:37):
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eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
By the way, have you seen the ratings for this
nine hundred and fifty thousand for games in the spring.
Been saying this for years. Spring football is gonna work.
You just got to get the capitol right. And now
you've got the Rock League, the Fox League. Now it's like, oh,
you're getting nine hundred fifty thousand people watching these games.
Spring football is going to work in America. Major baseball
(35:04):
games in hockey aren't getting that. Like on a lot
of nights. So I was thinking about the Knicks. The
Knicks lost last night. I think they're gonna win the series.
I think they're the better team. I like their construction.
I mean, they're doing this without Julius Randall, who you
know probably won't be there in a year. The Knicks
feel real right now, like here's you're watching a real team.
(35:24):
They have a real hole. They're very Jalen bruntson dependent.
Josh Hart is becoming their number two. He leads the
NBA in playoff minutes. Like Josh Hart, they're asking him
to be a two and he's not. He'd be he'd
be a really nice player as a four on a
championship team, maybe a three. But the guy leads the
NBA in playoff minutes. He's thirty three to third in scoring,
(35:46):
so he's he's a four. He's like, it'd be like
asking Austin Reeves for the Lakers to be Lebron's two,
or he's not. He's a four. A two is Jamal Murray.
A two is Booker, And this is where I think
it's interesting. It's why k D to the Knicks is
not delusional. It's the piece because KD may have more
(36:08):
gifts offensively, although the way Brunson's playing, who knows. But
Brunson is the leader of this team. He has established
himself as a one. When Nick fans were clamoring for
KD when he left Golden State, you were delusional. There
was no reason to go there. But to go to
the Knicks now is not delusional. It's real. So Brunson's
(36:29):
an a. There's no reason for KD to come in
and be annointed to one. Brunson's your quarterback. But all
quarterbacks need a great receiver. A great target can be
a tight end, can be a wide receiver. Asking Josh
Hart to be a two is like asking a blocking
tight end to be Travis Kelcey. It's just not fair.
He's a three to a four, probably a four, but
(36:51):
a great four on a championship team, you know, like
a really nice four. You may have to give him
up to get KD whatever it is, but you gotta
find somebody with Jalen Brunson that doesn't take the ball
out of his hands and KD doesn't. Kd's probably the
best guy in the league in fifteen years. Klay Thompson
(37:12):
was up there too, that you can just get the
ball to late in the shot clock and he can
hit a bucket.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
KD is as good as anybody. I've seen, not many
guys better, And so you got to get the right start.
When I hear Donovan Mitchell to the Knicks, that doesn't work.
That doesn't work. I don't want that. We saw Luca
and Jalen Brunson. People are saying, well, I didn't know
Jalen Brunson was that good. Well, you couldn't tell because
he didn't have the ball enough. So the Knicks now
(37:40):
for KD. That fits, and the Knicks have several things
that they got to get on this. First of all,
Jalen Brunson is playing a lot of minutes and hard
playoff minutes. You don't know if he's gonna break down.
Kd's also gonna be thirty six at the start of
next season. The Knicks role players right now have good contracts.
There's you know they're gonna be there unless they're traded
for a couple of years. So you've got and the
(38:02):
East is really wide open outside of Boston, the East
is wide open. And uh so this is the time
for the Knicks. And generally the Knicks have been very
impatient and made really bad moves. KD makes a ton
of sense. He's getting older. You can't keep asking Brunson
to be a workhorse at this level. Josh Hart's not
(38:25):
a two. The East is weak. Your role players are
under reasonable contracts. Also, Brunson has he makes good money
right now. Jalen Brunson in two years is gonna be
with this new all these new TV networks. Ye I
mean he's gonna be. He's gonna be paid top of
the market. You know, a year and a half, two
years he's not now. Jalen's contract's very workable. So this
(38:46):
is the time. Go get KD.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Nick right on KD potentially being a.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Nick as a basketball fan, would love to see him
have one final arc somewhere else. I think Lebron James
bringing the New York Knicks to the NBA Finals for
the first time in a quarter century would be pretty great.
I think he would fit, you know, in that Julius
Randalls spot quite well, I also think four rings for
(39:13):
four franchises would be unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, feels right.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
But when the Knicks thought they had a shot at
a Lebron or a KD years ago, nothing was right.
The front office wasn't right, the pieces weren't right. If
you put on paper, what are the Knicks need, you'd
be like a great catch and shoot score Clay Thompson
in his prime, who didn't need the ball, Steph would
get it to him. Late k D right now and
(39:40):
got I think Kd's got at least two more great
years left, maybe three, maybe more, but he played a
lot of games this year, there's been some injuries. Now's
the time to go get KD. And it's not if
you look at the last twenty years of the Knicks,
it's not a reach, it's not crazy, it's not delusional.
It actually is perfect. It's the kind of thing Miami's
done for years in year to go get a star
(40:00):
alongside d Wade, like they got Shack or a Lebron.
And when you looked at those moves, you're like, yeah,
that's a really smart move. Big swings are important, but
the Knicks have had a history of kind of missing
on their big swings. This big swing makes complete sense.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
So like Lebron is the system wherever he goes everything
orbits around him, Kevin Durant just slides right into the
Warriors seamless perfect I think Durant, He's not a system, right, Jalen.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Brunts it to me. Is the system?
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yes, everything orbits around him and Kevin Durant fits perfectly.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
That'd be exciting and I think the NBA needs it.
It's getting more European. The Lakers look like they're kind
of jammed up, like the Knicks being great. Is It's time?
It would be wonderful for the league. Hour two coming
up
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