July 24, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin has bad news for the Cowboys as they are now dealing with their star WR CeeDee Lamb holding out from training camp to get a new contract. He lists his most interesting potential storylines for the upcoming NFL season. Plus 3-time Pro Bowl WR DeSean Jackson joins the show in studio to talk about playing for both Andy Reid and Sean McVay
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Wednesday starting to perkla
very exciting live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jmac. Sean Jackson,
the former All Pro receiver funny Guy's gonna stop by
(00:47):
our show today. I really liked Sean Jackson Nick right
next hour top of it. I was going to start
the show today and it was kind of negative. So
I inserted a positive story as our second story because
yesterday I kind of brought the hammer and that's not
who I am. Just out of character thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
By the way, I dropped something in your dressing room
before the show, a major surprise.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Someone sent it to me.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I don't know if it's a fan or not, but
I think you'll like it, so just something to look forward.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, let's scurry through this first segment so I can
go check it out. So sources This Morning Star receivers,
Cdee Lamb says, I'm not showing up the Cowboy camp.
Go ahead and find me. I think because of their
scarcity of weapons, they just don't have much offensively right now.
He's going to get his money in a new contract,
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and then I think by the end of the year
they'll pony up the Brinks truck for Micah and Dak. Listen,
the last eight seasons have been pretty good for the Cowboys,
pretty good, better than most. Four division titles, five playoff appearances,
a couple playoff wins in eight years isn't enough. But
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I think this season marks the slow, steady decline of
the Cowboys, and you thought you'd seen the worst of it.
Dak in his prime still probably late prime, will keep
you irrelevant. He's a B plus quarterback. But they are
going to and it'll start with Ceedee Lamb's contract get
absurdly top heavy. That's why they couldn't spend any money.
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They're too top heavy. Now in free agency, there's two
factors that really play into this steady decline. The NFC
was weak and wide open for the last several years,
and they couldn't take advantage of it. Now San Francisco, Detroit,
and Philadelphia are loaded have much better rosters than the Cowboys.
The Rams and the Packers have much better young talent.
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Atlanta with Kirk Cousins more good players Offensively in an
offensive league, the Dallas and watch out because Chicago and
Washington could both have star young quarterbacks on key contracts
for the next four years. Is dak is making Mahomes
money and limiting the Cowboys. I looked at their schedule
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this morning. There are four games they should be heavily favored,
the Giants twice. Yeah, New Orleans and Carolina probably favored
over Tampa two. But it's close. Outside of that, every
other game is a coin flip and very losable, And
in most instances in this offensive league, the teams they
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play have more good weapons. This is what happens when
an eighty year year old man Jerry Jones. Eighty one
year old man Jerry Jones sees himself as the general manager,
and because he is front and center, he has leaned
on very vanilla coaching. Parcels and Jimmy Johnson worked and
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they're gone. It's been Jason Garrett, it's been Mike McCarthy.
Both capable, but in situational football moments did he trust either.
So the schedule is tough. They're going to get absurdly
top heavy. Ceedee Lamb probably wins this holdout. Their draft
was graded as average. They're clearly rebuilding the offensive line.
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I'd call it uninspiring, and they didn't spend a nickel
in free agency. This to me marks the beginning of
a slow, steady decline for Dak's big money years, and
I presume he'll sign a four year deal in the
Patrick Mahomes range. Mark Sanchez yesterday sees the same issues.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Think about the difference between maybe Dak and the Cowboys
his rookie year and the talent he had around him,
the other explosive players. Who's going to help this team
elevate suddenly? And where are the weapons? Who am I
throwing to? Who's keeping the defensive coordinators up at night
like dang, what are we gonna do about this guy?
And that's you know, those are tough questions to ask
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going in to a season. You want to have those
things shirt up. So I think the lack of depth
is going to be tough and this is gonna be
a lot on Dak's plate.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Now some positive stories. Aaron Rodgers poking the media. Showed
up yesterday to camp wearing an Egyptian cat T shirt.
That's where he spent his time as he missed OTAs
many of you think I root against Aaron Rodgers, but
(05:30):
I'll give you a little behind the rope truth. Because
of the battle we're going to have between Trump, jd
Vance and Kamala Harris and whoever her VP pick is,
Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are going to have huge
ratings in September, October, and November. That won't be good
for me or ESPN or anybody hosting a sports talk show.
(05:54):
So what do we need to survive until early November.
We'll be fine. In mid to late November, December, January, February,
people will be exhausted by political talk. But up to
the election, massive record breaking numbers, record breaking the Republican
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National Convention. Think about the history of Fox News, shattered
records and we're still months away. There are four stories
that can go a long way in keeping our little
telecasts interesting. Number One, Caleb Williams hits in Chicago, major market,
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iconic brand. He looks a little like Mahomes. Suddenly they're
scoring points and for the first time in all of
our lives, Chicago is a dynamic offense. With the next
Patrick Mahomes, I think it's possible he'll make rookie mistakes.
But Cole Comet, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunze, DJ Moore, DeAndre
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Swift a better than you think offensive line. Not a
great defense in that division with Minnesota, Green Bay or Detroit.
It's possible. Is it probable? That would help us? Number
two Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers with Justin Herbert start quickly.
That's probable. The NFL did Jim Harbaugh solid. They open
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with the Raiders in Carolina, arguably the two worst teams
in the league if you look at their schedule. A
six and one start is not out of the realm
of possibility. Again, big market, star coach quiet, but a
star quarterback that would help us. The third story that
would probably do us some favors. The Dallas Cowboys implode.
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I mean it beats them being pretty good again. Mike
McCarthy blows a couple of early games with situational clock
management snaffoos. Dak is fine, but maybe the hold out
a lot of noise. They lose a game they should win,
and Dallas is rolling downhill. That probably for us is
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very very good content. And number four Aaron Rodgers chest out,
mocking the media crushes. He beats Josh Allen in the
first encounter. The NFL schedule is a lot of Aaron
and whether it's talking to Joe Rogan, it's talking to
his friends, he's a little cocky, a little aloof but
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he has got his chest out, he's playing great. The
offensive line comes together, Mike Williams talented, stays healthy, and
you look up and the New York Jets are six
to one through seven weeks heading into late October and
early November. If those four things happen, and if you
look at the schedule, they're all very probable, then we've
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got ourselves a fighting chance, a fighting chance. This will
be probably the most challenging September and October. Ever, I
should also throw out something else. USC beats LSU, and
Michigan is rolling, and the Big ten is on their heels,
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fight on Trojans going downhill and the polarizing Lincoln Riley
is dropping forty two a game against the Big ten. Okay,
that may not happen, but that'd be a nice one too.
But just to let you know, what I predict and
what I'd love to see happen are two different things.
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Aaron winning, pointing fingers, attacking the media making fun of us,
Are you kidding me? You think it's good if he
gets hurt again? That's what I want. You think it's
good if they start one and six and nobody cares
about the entire market of New York. I want a
New York team to win, and the Giants have no shop.
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So let's c us our fingers and hope the one
team that has a shot can win. J Mack, how
about that is a positive, optimistic, glass half full vibe
to start the show. I love that segment, and I
think you missed a couple.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I mean, Kansas City Chiefs going for a historic three
peat versus the Chiefs perhaps imploding. I mean, their offensive
line has a lot of questions. Brock Perdy and the
forty nine ers, they're billing this is the last dance.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
If you will ask yourself. This like there's a lot
couldn't we argue the sing the two things that would
be great for our business? The Jets go to San
Francisco and beat the Niners soundly, and Caleb Williams has
four touchdowns against Tennessee and all of a sudden, it's
like we have our next Mahomes. Aaron Rogers is on
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top of the world. Those two things. And I'll say this,
ratings matter to us. This is what we do, it's
our livelihood. We sit in meetings all day trying to
figure out what you want to talk about, what you
are interested in. So Harbaugh, Rogers, Caleb Williams, Cowboy implosion.
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Now those are all wins for us. Yeah, no, it's
very exciting.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I mean I got kind of excited just thinking about
the season. Is it starting next week with We Wish?
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Speaker 1 (11:26):
So this is interesting. The WNBA ratings are in for
the WNBA All Star Game against the US Women's Olympians,
and I don't know what happened, what's going on, but
it's smashed their all time records, destroyed them. They've played before,
the WNBA All Star Team and the USA Olympic Team.
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They've played before and nobody watched, and this time they
smashed records, pilving once again that Caitlin Clark is driving
revenue for the league and should be now on the
Olympic team, but she's not. I'll get to that in
a second. What's interesting, though, is with the Paris Olympics
starting Wednesday, the league is now on hiatus until October
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or excuse me, until August fifteenth, So the WNBA is
not playing, meaning Caitlin's not playing, and the Olympics will
be playing, but Caitlin's not part of that. I would suggest,
if the league wasn't his tribal and petty, that not
only Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reeths clearly both should have
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been put on the Olympic team. Did you watch the
WNBA All Stars that had Reese and Caitlin Clark against
the Olympians. Angel Reese got a double double in eighteen minutes.
She's been fantastic, overshadowed by Clark, and Caitlin Clark led
everybody in assists. Both could be near the end of
the bench, and you'd watch two rivals now playing together,
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friends or at least colleagues on the same floor fighting
for the same Olympic gold. In a tribal divided world,
especially with what the Olympics can bring uniting all of us,
we get very little of that. Wouldn't that be cool? Nah,
let's just wait four more years. We've talked about Caitlin
Clark being on the Olympic team, but why not Angel Reese.
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She's been phenomenal. They're just different players. In eighteen minutes
she had twelve points and eleven rebounds against the Olympic team.
I don't care what lead you're in. That's phenomenal. And
I've said this, I don't want Caitlin Clark to win.
We got magic Bird here, that's what we should have.
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Caitlyn wins here, Angel wins there. Maybe Angel's team is better.
Caitlyn wins are more of personal awards. But eventually Caitlyn's
team gets good and then people recognize how great Angel
Reese is. So no Angel or Caitlin Clark for the
next month. As football camps open up. The WNBA will
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now disappear, but women's basketball doesn't need to if they
had Angel Reese and Caitlyn Clark even back of the bench,
both playing together for the first time on the Olympic team.
You keep telling me these amazingly talented young women aren't
ready for it. I'll say it again, women's basketball is
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not quite ready on how to handle Kitlyn Clark and
Angel Reese. So I saw this story and I thought
it was pretty interesting that Kyle Shanahan, a San Francisco
forty nine ers, very smart offensive head coach dad was
a great coach too, offered Bill Belichick a role on
his staff, and Bill Belichick turned it down. So here's
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here is a Kyle Shanahan on the TK Show podcast
with Tim Kawakami of the Athletic here's the.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Sound a head coach of a team right now. I
know what I would do if I was an owner,
So that shocks me. And the last thing you want
to do is insult someone like Bill Belichick. But I
know he just loves ball in the simplest form. So
I threw it all out to him, like whatever he'd
want to do. See he's he politely turned me down.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I actually think Belichick, who turned it down, was smart.
To turn it down. He doesn't need to grind and
be on the treadmill. He needs to self reflect and
analyze a broader view of the league. Because when Brady left,
Bill didn't struggle, he crashed. The roster's awful. The offense
was in nept his quarterback handling was brutal, His staff
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retreads post Brady Bill was a mess. Drafting not great.
Winning disappeared. Even the stuff Bill was known to be
great at, like details and situational football was haphazard. Elacheck crashed,
and there's one way to fix that. It's not grinding
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on a staff. It's looking in the mirror, making calls,
visiting camps. Dude can coach, there's no question about that.
But if you're going to give him control of the
football operation, you're romanticizing what happened. This wasn't a slow
decline pretty but now that's what we're going to see
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with the Cowboys over the next three years. It was
they couldn't get their roster right. The offense was a knemic.
Whatever he did to mac Jones didn't work. Matt Patricia
is an offensive coordinator like it was embarrassing. The offense
was the weakest next to Carolina in the league. So
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Speaker 1 (18:24):
Fifteen years in the NFL as one of the premiere
deep threats and a three time pro bowler, LA's Deshaun
Jackson stops buy in Studio. By the way, for people
that may not realize this, you have twenty six career
touchdowns of sixty plus yards, most in league history, five
touchdowns of eighty or more tied for the most in
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league history, thirty four touchdowns of fifty plus yards. Only
Jerry Rice has more so to the very end, health
was the issue, not the speed. You still got behind guys.
So I want to start with this Kansas City they
have a young speedster like you. You were at cal
Long Beach poly Cow, NFL. Immediately you popped Xavier Worthy
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is his name? Now, when you came into the league,
people said, well, he's a little light. That's the knock
on Worthy. Your thought if you had to give a
young receiver who's under one hundred eighty pounds advice, do
you know Xavier Worthy? What would you give him advice?
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Yeah, I personally know Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
This it's crazy because you know in college he reached
out to me a few times. We went back and
forth on Instagram and you know, just looking at his
his skill. I actually did some scouting for the Eagles
this offseason, me and how he got a little relationship
and you know, yeah, he gave me like six seven
receivers and I had to do some scouting on him.
So Xavier Worthy throughout all the receivers I did scouting,
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and personally myself, I would just say, don't make it
bigger than what it is.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
It's football at the end of day.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
The reason why I came in early on as a
rookie and had successes because I came in and I
didn't make the game bigger than it was. You know,
I was very confident in myself regards to the the
stature of the size.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I was only like one sixty nine exactly.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
Gods was like, oh, he's not gonna do this. He's
not gonna do this. But I think Gods of his
stature are stature. We've been hearing that our whole life.
So for me, I just always use that to advantage.
You know, people thought I was too small, I wasn't
gonna do this, so the nay sayers, I just used
it to advantage. I say, y'all think I'm not gonna
do this, I'm gonna come to the NFL and prove
to you I can do this. So me just make
the game not big, you know, footba At the end
of the day, every step of the way, it gets faster,
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guys get bigger. But I mean, if you got hurt
and you don't let people hit you, see, don't let
people hit you. Exager Hey, they can't they can't hit
what they can't catch, you know what I'm saying. So
at the end of the day, just stay fast man
and coach reed. If anything else, I know he's gonna
put him in a great position to win.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, so for sure we love Andy. Now you also
you played with Lamar Jackson, you played with you know,
Jalen Hurts. You've also played with older veteran quarterbacks like
Kirk Cousins Matt Stafford. So we have two quarterbacks in
the league. I think they're both gonna hit. I think
Jayden Annuals is underrated and Caleb Williams is properly rated. Right,
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how many games will it take for you to go
that works? Like, like, do you need to see?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Could you watch in practice? You see an exhibition game?
What will you need to say? Okay, that's official, that's
gonna work. Jalen Hurts, by the way, did you see
him early?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
Yeah, preferd I was gonna I was gonna give you
an instance on that. So when I was in twenty nineteen,
I came back to the Philadelphia Eagles and we had.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Carson Wentz was our starter, yep.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
And I remember specifically me and Howie Roseman sitting back
and Jalen Hurst was the number two quarterback. That was
the year they drafted him second round. They're like, why
would you draft Like, how why would you draft him
second round? You just paid Carson Wentz all this money.
Why would you pick this guy second round? People didn't
understand it right, So speed up. Carson Wentz gets hurt.
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Now we're in practice. We're in training camp, and you
know obviously the second the second team always go against
the one defense. So I'm sitting back in practice. Me
and How we sitting next to each other, and we like,
this guy gonna be special. How he looked over to
me was like, d Jack, you see that. I'm like, hey,
you got something in that guy right there? He was
making the ones look like they were like practice squad players,
and I was like, it was just something about his morale.
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He went into the huddle, he took you know, ownership
in the huddle. He was calling out the plays and
it was just it was he was laid back. It
was like the game wasn't too big for him. So
I look at guys like that, like Jayden Daniels and
Caleb Williams. College a lot of starts in college, and honestly,
for me, I look at that to see like, how
are you gonna make the game look. Is it gonna
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be bigger than you? Is it gonna be too much,
is gonna be overwhelming? Or are you gonna be complaining?
Like you want to see all that body language? You
want to see when you throw an interception? How do
you know, react to that? So for me, I just
think those guys they just got to show up early.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
But it's gonna take time. You know, you're not gonna be.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
Able to see, you know right away that oh they
might be that guy, but you might see glimpse of
it here and there.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So you you mentioned something I remember seeing with Dak Prescott.
You mentioned you saw Jalen Hurt's command respect. For me,
it's not just the throwing. When I watch a young quarterback,
is he in command to control? Are you in control
of the operation? If I see nervous feet, if I
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see a guy that's lost at the line of scrimmage,
Like I think the Jaden Daniels thing is interesting because
I think he's sort of Lamar Jackson light. I don't
think he's as fast. I think he's better in the
pocket as a rookie. I think I watched them at
Arizona State. You did, I watched them at LSU. I
think Caleb Williams stole all the glare from everybody. I
think Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
That that as added pressure too.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Is as far as Kata Williams like, I think you
know he's he was at sc you know, you're hot,
You're in Hollywood, you got there all the lights, camera actionally.
But one thing I will say about Jaden Daniels and
to you, to you, to your you know, remarkings on him,
I think he's awesome.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
I think, you know, guys like that far under the radar.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
You know, you're not the talked about guy, but you're
kind of somewhat being talked about. So he has it's
easy settle for him because he doesn't have the added pressure.
Caleb Williams, he has the added pressure. He's going to
a team where they added Kenan Allen, the DeAndre Swift,
you got the rookie from h to Washington. You know
what I'm saying. So I think like it sets up
for success. But if he doesn't have the successes, like
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oh my god, like now now what's next? You know,
we just let go of fields, you know, So I
think it's a little harder for him.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
To kind of like be set up for success.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
But jayde and Daniels on the other side, he's kind
of calm selling under it, and he's like, you know
what sets up for great success for him as well too.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Who of all the corners you faced in your career,
So you were a speed guy. You were often in motion,
which you often do with smaller receivers to get them
free where there are one or two corners in the
NFL that you you just knew Sunday was gonna be
a tough day.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
We actually every time we played UH and this was
early on in my crew. We used to play the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
UH. A key to Lee.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
He was a very physical receiver, very physical cornerback. He
pressed at the line of scrimmage. You know, he was
like six three, his arms like from here to there,
and it was like he always used to come to
the line screens. But it was very challenging for me.
So I thought early in my career he was like
the only guy that really like Jammy.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
I don't get jam you know what I'm saying, But
he got me one time and I was pissed off.
I'm like, you know, what that never happened again. But
guys like him, I you know, used to face Dyl Reeves.
He used to give me some good times.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know, he's physical. He's another guy that can get
He's physical.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
But like one thing about Dryl he like he just
since ut route recognition. He was able to read rouse,
he was able to read the quarterback. And I think
another one was like Richard Sherman. You know, he was
a longer statue of guy. He played in that Legionma
Boom defense like they were crazy in the era. But
I used to you know, honestly, what I would say,
God's never really wanted to guard me one on one.
I'm not saying they wouldn't, but throughout the course of
a game, like you gotta follow me everywhere and I'm fast,
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So like who wants to guard to Shawan Jackson one
hundred percent of the time throughout the game, you know
what I'm saying. So for me, I think, you know
it's I give a lot of guys respect and credit,
but throughout the course of a game, there was no
one that really just followed me around the whole game
like they had safety help, you know, because they didn't
bombs over.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Bag that.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
You know it's deep.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
So you played with Michael Vick and Philly the legendary
Monday Night.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
Can my Dog? I know you've been on your so
a few times. Michael. I love Michael. That's my boy.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
So Michael was such. I mean when I was younger,
you'd see an occasional Michael Vick in high school, right,
maybe in college? Yeah, we weren't on a Michael Vicks
in the NFL. What was it like to play with Michael?
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Man?
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Honest, it was. It was a dream come true for me. Uh,
you know, I got a crazy story. So, uh it
was me. I thinks Shady McCoy and Jerry McLean was
actually in the locker room and we got a crazy
call from UH coach Rees.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
It's like a young fella, how you feeling, man, I'm like,
I'm good, coach was going on? You usually don't call me.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
It's like, what would you do if I told you
we could get Michael Vick. I'm like, what, Like you
said Michael Vick? Because you know she's fresh out of
jail from a situation.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
So I'm not thinking that.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I'm getting this call from Andy Reid and he's telling
me about Michael Vick. Right, And this is when obviously
we had Donovan Manaviviar. So I'm like, oh, man, So
he's like, oh do you feel I'm like, are you
kidding me? I grew up love of Michael Vick, Like
you know, he was like one of my first players
that I fell in love with. Like Michael Vick and
Allen Iverson and co and Kobe Bryant is like three
people that I my game after, right, So I mean
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it was a.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Dream come true.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
It was no other person that I learned more in
my career because you know.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
How I grew up and how I was raised.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
You know, I always was hanging around my friends, always
had like extra curriculum homies hanging around.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
So that's you know, just growing up how I grew up.
You got the friends.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
He was like, hey, d I'm gonna tell you this
one thing go wrong, none of them, Dude's gonna be
here for you, he said, trust me. I had a
situation where one of my boys I grew up with
had a little situation and they told on him and
something crazy happened.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
That how you got into the situation.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
He was like, Man, if it ever gets bad, these
dudes are not gonna be here for you. So I
just learned a lot from him because he said, you know,
as a professional, you gotta go to work.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
You can't bring these dudes with you. And I used to.
I was the guy that.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
Tried to bring everybody with me, let him experience games
and traveling. But sometimes you know that image is not
what you want to put out there. So for me,
I learned a lot from Michael Vick as a big brother.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Andy Reid as a coach, he's probably the best, well,
he's the best coaching the sport now. He's arguably the
best ever. Right, What was different about Andy Reid from
other great coaches? Because I'm looking at the coaches you had,
you hadn't mixed f harbed John McDermott, Chip, You had
good coaches, John Gruden, What what's different about Andy Reid?
Speaker 9 (28:20):
I think Andy Reid man first off, like you said,
I've been coaching from some great guys. I think Andy
Reid yet alone, is the best that's been coached me.
I miss a father figure. It was like almost having
a dad two point zero to be able to coach
and to be able to like, you know, just command.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
He can maar respect.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
He he gave you a heart, a hardship, but at
the same time he.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Loved you, so he'd bang on you.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
He would get on me boys.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
So I mean, when I tell you I used to
do things, he used to pull them glasses down to
give me that look. You ain't even got to say nothing.
You knew he was about business, you know what I'm saying.
For me, he was from la He was a guy
that grew up and raised out here, so he knew
what it was like. He knew the temptation, he knew
how I tried that, you know, help and changed the
whole area that I was raised in. So he was
just always telling me, like, when you come to work,
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ball got to be the focus.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
You can't be worrying about what's going on back home.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
This person needs help or he's asking for money, like
all that stuff you gotta leave to the side. So
for me losing my dad in two thousand and nine,
you know, I lost my dad early. I was twenty
one years old, you know, going into my second year,
and he knew what I endured, and obviously my dad
meant everything to me. So me losing my dad and
Andy Reid stepping up to the plate and like almost
being like a dad in my life was like huge
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to men.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
I will always love him.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
I actually just talked to him yesterday and he sent
me a text message talking about I had limits. He
said it, I had a flashbacks today. I said, coach,
whatch you mean? I look at the video and he
sends me the video my Homes turned out and throwing
the ball all the way back and xavier' worthy Worthy
catching the ball. I said, hey, coach, it's only one
de Sean Jackson. He said, he said, you're right, You're right,
(29:50):
but you see that. I said, I've seen that throat
from that quarterback.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
I said that.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
He said, you would have loved my Homes. I'm like, man,
if I'd have been able to play with Mahomes, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know what I remember the first now I follow recruiting,
so I knew who you were, and you were at
Long Beach Pauli, which was sort of the road Runners,
which was kind of like sure the track team of
the West Coast football. Tell me if you remember this
Cal hosting Tennessee Brent Musburger ABC Punk Return for.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Sure one hundred percent.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
I mean I remember leading up all week because you
got to remember this.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
That was my sophomore year.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
So my freshman year, we went to Tennessee and got
our butts candid too, and I actually scored in that game,
you know, I scored. I did, okay, But I was
a freshman playing in Tennessee. That game one hundred and
ten thousand white and orange towels going. I'm like, I'm
looking at the stad like, wow, this big time football.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
Right.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
So year two, they come to col all week in practice,
this punter is talking.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
About all I'm putting the ball. He didn't do nothing
last year. I'm putting the ball. Put them.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
So I'm reading all these all these these uh these
messages or whatever the case may be, at all these articles.
And so the first first come up in the game,
they went three and out, all stuff, Here comes the way,
Here comes Wizard of Return. The Wizard of Oz returns, right,
So I go out there. He booted, he kicks me.
I'm like, oh my gosh, he kicks it. And what's
crazy is I felt the guy coming down. So it
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was a gunner. He got like a free release and
my guy didn't block him. Right, So I'm looking I'm looking.
I'm looking as you see him looking. I catch it
and I jumped back, so I make a miss. So
once I moved here, I looked to the right, it
was another guy coming down. I'm like, oh, man, I'm
gonna do this. So I like jumped forward and jump
back on him. And from there, man was it was
(31:29):
all his Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It went not We should try to find that. I
remember watching that, and you did sort of a Michael
Jackson and Musburger didn't had never seen it. And Brent
went nuts.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
He lost his mind.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Man, Now, Berkeley's I don't look at you and go
Tony Gonzalez went to Berkeley. I'm like, Tony, how did
you hippie.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Living in trees?
Speaker 9 (31:55):
They was living in trees because around this time they
were trying to redo the stadium and they didn't want
Did you like it?
Speaker 8 (32:00):
I loved it?
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I mean for me growing up in Los Angeles, California,
and uh, you know, I committed. I gave a soft
commit to USC. But Pete Carroll, he gave Patrick Turner
my number. I don't know if you know the story,
but Patrick Turner was a Tennessee guy, right, and he
was recruiting him and at the time SC and Polly
we had like a merge, like everybody from party was
going to SC. So Pete Carroll just thought he had
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me in the head like so it was like, all right,
we ain't got to do no extra recruiting for d Jack, right.
So going throughout the process, I'm telling him like, Pee,
I'm like, you gotta give me that number one.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
I need that number one. It's DJA is number one.
I'm staying home. I'm LA And he ended up giving
number one to Patrick Turner.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
And before I committed, I'm like, well, I committed, But
before I officially committed, I was like, you sure because
Jeff Ttervor he recruited me heavy. I said, you know
Calgs beach y'all cause you know I was the year
Aaron Rodgers beat them here in the coliseum. I said,
Calger's beach Ill said you sure, I can't get number one.
He's like, yeah, we got to give it to this guy.
He's coming from out of time. I'm like, all right,
made the move to go to cal But for me,
(32:57):
growing up in LA is different. You know, Cale just
was open arms and I was able to really go
and focus. I feel like if I went to SCO.
They had too many distractions staying here at home.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, ceedee, Lamb has a lot of leverage, So ton
of leverage now Brandon and I you is upset, but
they have so many weapons, right, the teams got a
little bit of leverage. No CD Lamb, no receiving Core.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
No Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Have you ever held out? I have? Is it hard?
I mean, what's the conflict between you're not with your dudes? Yeah,
but you want to get paid.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
I mean, honestly, for me, going back to twenty twelve,
and I just was talking about this situation, I think
I fell into a situation where Drew Rosenhouse was my
agent around that time. Man Drew Rodenhouse and the Eagles organization,
they were they weren't really jelling well together around this
time because too they had all this situation with t
O and the Eagles and High Rosman and all that joke.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
So they was kind of.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Already had like you know, there was already So I
don't even think it was me.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
It just kind of fell into the play that Drew
roden House was my agent.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
He was trying a strong arm the Eagles and it's like,
we're not going for it, but Drew rosen House was like,
we're not going to camp, and me, I'm like, I
love ball. Like all I know is I'm like, I'm
not going to camp. Like what are you talking about?
I'm not going to camp. And throughout the proces, I
think it was like a five or six day holdout.
I was getting fined like fifty thousand every day, and
you know me, I'm like, hold on, I'm trying to
get that new money. I ain't trying to go into
camp at that negative base. Right, So it ended up
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working out. But what I do suggest man to these guys,
I mean a lot of times you never know how
the holdouts go. Sometimes they work into your benefit, sometimes
they don't work into your benefit. So I mean, ceedee Lamb.
I think he's definitely deserving of a new contrail question.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
You know, the past two years alone, he led the league.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
He led the league in receptions over the past two years,
you know, and and touchdowns he was third, and receiving
yards he was third.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
So I mean, and the.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Guys has been getting paid. There's no doubt in my
mind he shouldn't be at least right up under you
know justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Finally briefly with Sean McVay. So I love mcveage, it's
my guy. But when McVeigh got the job, he was thirty.
I got interns that are almost that old. So when
you were with McVeigh, his energy, Yeah, I mean, like,
what is it like to have a coach that's younger
than some of the players exactly?
Speaker 8 (35:19):
So I got an interesting story.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
So what was that twenty twenty seventeen, I think of
the year the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen offseason. I got
a call, you know from my agent at the time
was Joe Siegel, and Joe Siegel had a relationship with
the owners for the Rams, and they actually called and
talked to Joe and was like, man, how was We
want to talk to d Jack. We want to know
how McVeigh was when he was in Washington, cause I
(35:41):
was in Washington for three years.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
It was like, how is McVeigh as a coach? Is
he how is he as a leader?
Speaker 9 (35:46):
They called I was like one of three players they called.
So they called me, and you can if you ever
talked to me by you could ask him not line
they called me. They called Trent Williams and I want
to say, hey, buddy, that's my dog. And then I
want to say they called Pierre song at the time too. Right, say,
just was curious on like, you know, how is he
because one thing that a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
So Jay Gruden was our coach in Washington.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
Jay Gruden never got up in front of offense and
did any play any plays installed you know.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Sean McVay handled everything.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
And for me, I was like, Sean McVay is actually
a very personable guy because he goes up and he
takes control, he takes ownership.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
And at this time, Sean McVay was like twenty twenty eight,
twenty seven, I mean he was young room.
Speaker 9 (36:26):
He would control the room like he had that respect
and guys knew like you know, you got certain guys
that come up and it's like I'm in meetings, I
got to hear another dude talk. But like how engaged
McVeigh was, and not only engaged, like he knew his
stuff x's and o's, the ins and outs of the plays.
It was just like you would have thought he everything
was his philosophy. Right, So I was like, man, he's
a great coach. He's young, but he knows how to
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take ownership. He could take control of the room. And
I think I actually helped him get that job in.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
LA I heard he interviewed with the Rams and they
came to the conclusion, we can't let him get on
a plane.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
When I tell you he's when I tell you he's
an expert, and I don't like to use this word geek,
but when it comes down to plays and just how
he sets up, like Cooper Cup obviously is a heck
of receiver. He had like two three crazy years. But
I mean just to see, like guys asking me because
I played with Cooper Cup, They're like, man, how was
Cooper Cup getting open this wide open?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
I'm like, for one, he can run routes. For two,
he's very smart.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
And for three, Sean McVay, the way he played calls
and the way he schemes for that they're never wrong.
And then not only that, you got Matthew Stafford. He's
a creature out the world as well too. I think
he doesn't get the much credit he deserves.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Man, he's a he's a baller.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
By the way, pooka Nakua out of nowhere and I
went to training camp last year and McVeigh with him,
McVeigh and yards wide receiver coach. They were sitting there
was like d Jack, D Jack, look what I got.
Because I was out there, I was gonna, I was
gonna coach. But I was like, man, when I seen
him hours and stand up, my knees start hurting. I said, hey, man,
I can't coach. I said, man, I can't do this.
So I went out there for a few days, but
I swear every day they kept telling me, look at
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that guy Pooka, Look at that guy Pooker. So I'm
seeing him and I'm like, yeah, I'll see a little something,
but I ain't expect to see what I what I
just seen this past year.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Watched him at b YU in Washington, and I'm like,
I don't think he can separate man a. He's physical,
be the whole league plays zone. So he's a smart
kid who understands how any first Another thing is he
always breaks the first tackle.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
No, definitely, like Cooper's like that as well too.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
So I mean that that team man in there with
Matthew Stafford and then my young boy over there too
to out will I think you know, he'll have a
great year this year too. But uh, you know it's
it's crazy, man, just sitting back and seeing how the
league is advanced. Man, it's the offensive league now. You
got you know what McDaniel's doing over there with uh,
with Tyreek and Jalen Waddow. Man, I mean, I'm here
to love it. Like you know, you get a lot
of older guys to retire and they kind of hate
(38:40):
on the young guys. I mean, I'm here for the guy,
the money they're making, and how the leagues turn into
an offensive.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Game, and I'm here for I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Man.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
I think I can still play too, car. I don't
know what you think.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I think the Rams can I be a wipe number two?
Speaker 8 (38:53):
And uh what we just saying Dallas Dallas two?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Right?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
I don't know. I think Jerry Jones need to You
need to give me a call.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Man.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
I'm still It's safe. I'm mony like one eighty five.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You still work out.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I still work out.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
This is the most out of every you know, all
these years I try to gain aware I can never
gain weight now and it took two years off.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
I got a little belly over here.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Hey man, what a pleasure to see you again. You're
always welcome on our show. Unbelievable career. And I met
Deshaun years ago at an event, and you're just light
the room up.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
I was partying, he was having a good time, and
I had to come out there and get some cheers.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Man, I try to avoid a bad time.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
Hey man, congrats. So all this is says you're doing
too Man, You're killing and you're out. You're doing your
thing on this on this network, man, this platform. Appreciate you, Yes, sir,
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I inserted a positive story as our second story because
yesterday I kind of brought the hammer and that's not
who I am. Just out of character thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
By the way, I dropped something in your dressing room
before the show, a major surprise.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Someone sent it to me.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I don't know if it's a fan or not, but
I think you'll like it, so just something to look forward.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, let's scurry through this first segment so I can
go check it out. So sources This Morning Star receivers,
Cdee Lamb says, I'm not showing up the Cowboy camp.
Go ahead and find me. I think because of their
scarcity of weapons, they just don't have much offensively right now.
He's going to get his money in a new contract,
(01:37):
and then I think by the end of the year
they'll pony up the Brinks truck for Micah and Dak. Listen,
the last eight seasons have been pretty good for the Cowboys,
pretty good, better than most. Four division titles, five playoff appearances,
a couple playoff wins in eight years isn't enough. But
(02:01):
I think this season marks the slow, steady decline of
the Cowboys, and you thought you'd seen the worst of it.
Dak in his prime still probably late prime, will keep
you irrelevant. He's a B plus quarterback. But they are
going to and it'll start with Ceedee Lamb's contract get
absurdly top heavy. That's why they couldn't spend any money.
(02:24):
They're too top heavy. Now in free agency, there's two
factors that really play into this steady decline. The NFC
was weak and wide open for the last several years,
and they couldn't take advantage of it. Now San Francisco, Detroit,
and Philadelphia are loaded have much better rosters than the Cowboys.
The Rams and the Packers have much better young talent.
(02:48):
Atlanta with Kirk Cousins more good players Offensively in an
offensive league, the Dallas and watch out because Chicago and
Washington could both have star young quarterbacks on key contracts
for the next four years. Is dak is making Mahomes
money and limiting the Cowboys. I looked at their schedule
(03:08):
this morning. There are four games they should be heavily favored,
the Giants twice. Yeah, New Orleans and Carolina probably favored
over Tampa two. But it's close. Outside of that, every
other game is a coin flip and very losable, And
in most instances in this offensive league, the teams they
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play have more good weapons. This is what happens when
an eighty year year old man Jerry Jones. Eighty one
year old man Jerry Jones sees himself as the general manager,
and because he is front and center, he has leaned
on very vanilla coaching. Parcels and Jimmy Johnson worked and
(03:49):
they're gone. It's been Jason Garrett, it's been Mike McCarthy.
Both capable, but in situational football moments did he trust either.
So the schedule is tough. They're going to get absurdly
top heavy. Ceedee Lamb probably wins this holdout. Their draft
was graded as average. They're clearly rebuilding the offensive line.
(04:12):
I'd call it uninspiring, and they didn't spend a nickel
in free agency. This to me marks the beginning of
a slow, steady decline for Dak's big money years, and
I presume he'll sign a four year deal in the
Patrick Mahomes range. Mark Sanchez yesterday sees the same issues.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Think about the difference between maybe Dak and the Cowboys
his rookie year and the talent he had around him,
the other explosive players. Who's going to help this team
elevate suddenly? And where are the weapons? Who am I
throwing to? Who's keeping the defensive coordinators up at night
like dang, what are we gonna do about this guy?
And that's you know, those are tough questions to ask
(04:59):
going in to a season. You want to have those
things shirt up. So I think the lack of depth
is going to be tough and this is gonna be
a lot on Dak's plate.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Now some positive stories. Aaron Rodgers poking the media. Showed
up yesterday to camp wearing an Egyptian cat T shirt.
That's where he spent his time as he missed OTAs
many of you think I root against Aaron Rodgers, but
(05:30):
I'll give you a little behind the rope truth. Because
of the battle we're going to have between Trump, jd
Vance and Kamala Harris and whoever her VP pick is,
Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are going to have huge
ratings in September, October, and November. That won't be good
for me or ESPN or anybody hosting a sports talk show.
(05:54):
So what do we need to survive until early November.
We'll be fine. In mid to late November, December, January, February,
people will be exhausted by political talk. But up to
the election, massive record breaking numbers, record breaking the Republican
(06:15):
National Convention. Think about the history of Fox News, shattered
records and we're still months away. There are four stories
that can go a long way in keeping our little
telecasts interesting. Number One, Caleb Williams hits in Chicago, major market,
(06:36):
iconic brand. He looks a little like Mahomes. Suddenly they're
scoring points and for the first time in all of
our lives, Chicago is a dynamic offense. With the next
Patrick Mahomes, I think it's possible he'll make rookie mistakes.
But Cole Comet, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunze, DJ Moore, DeAndre
(06:57):
Swift a better than you think offensive line. Not a
great defense in that division with Minnesota, Green Bay or Detroit.
It's possible. Is it probable? That would help us? Number
two Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers with Justin Herbert start quickly.
That's probable. The NFL did Jim Harbaugh solid. They open
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with the Raiders in Carolina, arguably the two worst teams
in the league if you look at their schedule. A
six and one start is not out of the realm
of possibility. Again, big market, star coach quiet, but a
star quarterback that would help us. The third story that
would probably do us some favors. The Dallas Cowboys implode.
(07:43):
I mean it beats them being pretty good again. Mike
McCarthy blows a couple of early games with situational clock
management snaffoos. Dak is fine, but maybe the hold out
a lot of noise. They lose a game they should win,
and Dallas is rolling downhill. That probably for us is
(08:06):
very very good content. And number four Aaron Rodgers chest out,
mocking the media crushes. He beats Josh Allen in the
first encounter. The NFL schedule is a lot of Aaron
and whether it's talking to Joe Rogan, it's talking to
his friends, he's a little cocky, a little aloof but
(08:30):
he has got his chest out, he's playing great. The
offensive line comes together, Mike Williams talented, stays healthy, and
you look up and the New York Jets are six
to one through seven weeks heading into late October and
early November. If those four things happen, and if you
look at the schedule, they're all very probable, then we've
(08:55):
got ourselves a fighting chance, a fighting chance. This will
be probably the most challenging September and October. Ever, I
should also throw out something else. USC beats LSU, and
Michigan is rolling, and the Big ten is on their heels,
(09:16):
fight on Trojans going downhill and the polarizing Lincoln Riley
is dropping forty two a game against the Big ten. Okay,
that may not happen, but that'd be a nice one too.
But just to let you know, what I predict and
what I'd love to see happen are two different things.
(09:37):
Aaron winning, pointing fingers, attacking the media making fun of us,
Are you kidding me? You think it's good if he
gets hurt again? That's what I want. You think it's
good if they start one and six and nobody cares
about the entire market of New York. I want a
New York team to win, and the Giants have no shop.
(09:59):
So let's c us our fingers and hope the one
team that has a shot can win. J Mack, how
about that is a positive, optimistic, glass half full vibe
to start the show. I love that segment, and I
think you missed a couple.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I mean, Kansas City Chiefs going for a historic three
peat versus the Chiefs perhaps imploding. I mean, their offensive
line has a lot of questions. Brock Perdy and the
forty nine ers, they're billing this is the last dance.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
If you will ask yourself. This like there's a lot
couldn't we argue the sing the two things that would
be great for our business? The Jets go to San
Francisco and beat the Niners soundly, and Caleb Williams has
four touchdowns against Tennessee and all of a sudden, it's
like we have our next Mahomes. Aaron Rogers is on
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top of the world. Those two things. And I'll say this,
ratings matter to us. This is what we do, it's
our livelihood. We sit in meetings all day trying to
figure out what you want to talk about, what you
are interested in. So Harbaugh, Rogers, Caleb Williams, Cowboy implosion.
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Now those are all wins for us. Yeah, no, it's
very exciting.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I mean I got kind of excited just thinking about
the season. Is it starting next week with We Wish?
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Speaker 1 (11:26):
So this is interesting. The WNBA ratings are in for
the WNBA All Star Game against the US Women's Olympians,
and I don't know what happened, what's going on, but
it's smashed their all time records, destroyed them. They've played before,
the WNBA All Star Team and the USA Olympic Team.
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They've played before and nobody watched, and this time they
smashed records, pilving once again that Caitlin Clark is driving
revenue for the league and should be now on the
Olympic team, but she's not. I'll get to that in
a second. What's interesting, though, is with the Paris Olympics
starting Wednesday, the league is now on hiatus until October
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or excuse me, until August fifteenth, So the WNBA is
not playing, meaning Caitlin's not playing, and the Olympics will
be playing, but Caitlin's not part of that. I would suggest,
if the league wasn't his tribal and petty, that not
only Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reeths clearly both should have
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been put on the Olympic team. Did you watch the
WNBA All Stars that had Reese and Caitlin Clark against
the Olympians. Angel Reese got a double double in eighteen minutes.
She's been fantastic, overshadowed by Clark, and Caitlin Clark led
everybody in assists. Both could be near the end of
the bench, and you'd watch two rivals now playing together,
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friends or at least colleagues on the same floor fighting
for the same Olympic gold. In a tribal divided world,
especially with what the Olympics can bring uniting all of us,
we get very little of that. Wouldn't that be cool? Nah,
let's just wait four more years. We've talked about Caitlin
Clark being on the Olympic team, but why not Angel Reese.
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She's been phenomenal. They're just different players. In eighteen minutes
she had twelve points and eleven rebounds against the Olympic team.
I don't care what lead you're in. That's phenomenal. And
I've said this, I don't want Caitlin Clark to win.
We got magic Bird here, that's what we should have.
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Caitlyn wins here, Angel wins there. Maybe Angel's team is better.
Caitlyn wins are more of personal awards. But eventually Caitlyn's
team gets good and then people recognize how great Angel
Reese is. So no Angel or Caitlin Clark for the
next month. As football camps open up. The WNBA will
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now disappear, but women's basketball doesn't need to if they
had Angel Reese and Caitlyn Clark even back of the bench,
both playing together for the first time on the Olympic team.
You keep telling me these amazingly talented young women aren't
ready for it. I'll say it again, women's basketball is
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not quite ready on how to handle Kitlyn Clark and
Angel Reese. So I saw this story and I thought
it was pretty interesting that Kyle Shanahan, a San Francisco
forty nine ers, very smart offensive head coach dad was
a great coach too, offered Bill Belichick a role on
his staff, and Bill Belichick turned it down. So here's
(14:54):
here is a Kyle Shanahan on the TK Show podcast
with Tim Kawakami of the Athletic here's the.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Sound a head coach of a team right now. I
know what I would do if I was an owner,
So that shocks me. And the last thing you want
to do is insult someone like Bill Belichick. But I
know he just loves ball in the simplest form. So
I threw it all out to him, like whatever he'd
want to do. See he's he politely turned me down.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I actually think Belichick, who turned it down, was smart.
To turn it down. He doesn't need to grind and
be on the treadmill. He needs to self reflect and
analyze a broader view of the league. Because when Brady left,
Bill didn't struggle, he crashed. The roster's awful. The offense
was in nept his quarterback handling was brutal, His staff
(15:44):
retreads post Brady Bill was a mess. Drafting not great.
Winning disappeared. Even the stuff Bill was known to be
great at, like details and situational football was haphazard. Elacheck crashed,
and there's one way to fix that. It's not grinding
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on a staff. It's looking in the mirror, making calls,
visiting camps. Dude can coach, there's no question about that.
But if you're going to give him control of the
football operation, you're romanticizing what happened. This wasn't a slow
decline pretty but now that's what we're going to see
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with the Cowboys over the next three years. It was
they couldn't get their roster right. The offense was a knemic.
Whatever he did to mac Jones didn't work. Matt Patricia
is an offensive coordinator like it was embarrassing. The offense
was the weakest next to Carolina in the league. So
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So same with Connor McGregor. No undercards, not interested, even
though he didn't win fights anymore.
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Speaker 1 (18:24):
Fifteen years in the NFL as one of the premiere
deep threats and a three time pro bowler, LA's Deshaun
Jackson stops buy in Studio. By the way, for people
that may not realize this, you have twenty six career
touchdowns of sixty plus yards, most in league history, five
touchdowns of eighty or more tied for the most in
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league history, thirty four touchdowns of fifty plus yards. Only
Jerry Rice has more so to the very end, health
was the issue, not the speed. You still got behind guys.
So I want to start with this Kansas City they
have a young speedster like you. You were at cal
Long Beach poly Cow, NFL. Immediately you popped Xavier Worthy
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is his name? Now, when you came into the league,
people said, well, he's a little light. That's the knock
on Worthy. Your thought if you had to give a
young receiver who's under one hundred eighty pounds advice, do
you know Xavier Worthy? What would you give him advice?
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Yeah, I personally know Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
This it's crazy because you know in college he reached
out to me a few times. We went back and
forth on Instagram and you know, just looking at his
his skill. I actually did some scouting for the Eagles
this offseason, me and how he got a little relationship
and you know, yeah, he gave me like six seven
receivers and I had to do some scouting on him.
So Xavier Worthy throughout all the receivers I did scouting,
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and personally myself, I would just say, don't make it
bigger than what it is.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
It's football at the end of day.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
The reason why I came in early on as a
rookie and had successes because I came in and I
didn't make the game bigger than it was. You know,
I was very confident in myself regards to the the
stature of the size.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I was only like one sixty nine exactly.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
Gods was like, oh, he's not gonna do this. He's
not gonna do this. But I think Gods of his
stature are stature. We've been hearing that our whole life.
So for me, I just always use that to advantage.
You know, people thought I was too small, I wasn't
gonna do this, so the nay sayers, I just used
it to advantage. I say, y'all think I'm not gonna
do this, I'm gonna come to the NFL and prove
to you I can do this. So me just make
the game not big, you know, footba At the end
of the day, every step of the way, it gets faster,
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guys get bigger. But I mean, if you got hurt
and you don't let people hit you, see, don't let
people hit you. Exager Hey, they can't they can't hit
what they can't catch, you know what I'm saying. So
at the end of the day, just stay fast man
and coach reed. If anything else, I know he's gonna
put him in a great position to win.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, so for sure we love Andy. Now you also
you played with Lamar Jackson, you played with you know,
Jalen Hurts. You've also played with older veteran quarterbacks like
Kirk Cousins Matt Stafford. So we have two quarterbacks in
the league. I think they're both gonna hit. I think
Jayden Annuals is underrated and Caleb Williams is properly rated. Right,
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how many games will it take for you to go
that works? Like, like, do you need to see?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Could you watch in practice? You see an exhibition game?
What will you need to say? Okay, that's official, that's
gonna work. Jalen Hurts, by the way, did you see
him early?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
Yeah, preferd I was gonna I was gonna give you
an instance on that. So when I was in twenty nineteen,
I came back to the Philadelphia Eagles and we had.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Carson Wentz was our starter, yep.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
And I remember specifically me and Howie Roseman sitting back
and Jalen Hurst was the number two quarterback. That was
the year they drafted him second round. They're like, why
would you draft Like, how why would you draft him
second round? You just paid Carson Wentz all this money.
Why would you pick this guy second round? People didn't
understand it right, So speed up. Carson Wentz gets hurt.
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Now we're in practice. We're in training camp, and you
know obviously the second the second team always go against
the one defense. So I'm sitting back in practice. Me
and How we sitting next to each other, and we like,
this guy gonna be special. How he looked over to
me was like, d Jack, you see that. I'm like, hey,
you got something in that guy right there? He was
making the ones look like they were like practice squad players,
and I was like, it was just something about his morale.
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He went into the huddle, he took you know, ownership
in the huddle. He was calling out the plays and
it was just it was he was laid back. It
was like the game wasn't too big for him. So
I look at guys like that, like Jayden Daniels and
Caleb Williams. College a lot of starts in college, and honestly,
for me, I look at that to see like, how
are you gonna make the game look. Is it gonna
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be bigger than you? Is it gonna be too much,
is gonna be overwhelming? Or are you gonna be complaining?
Like you want to see all that body language? You
want to see when you throw an interception? How do
you know, react to that? So for me, I just
think those guys they just got to show up early.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
But it's gonna take time. You know, you're not gonna be.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
Able to see, you know right away that oh they
might be that guy, but you might see glimpse of
it here and there.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So you you mentioned something I remember seeing with Dak Prescott.
You mentioned you saw Jalen Hurt's command respect. For me,
it's not just the throwing. When I watch a young quarterback,
is he in command to control? Are you in control
of the operation? If I see nervous feet, if I
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see a guy that's lost at the line of scrimmage,
Like I think the Jaden Daniels thing is interesting because
I think he's sort of Lamar Jackson light. I don't
think he's as fast. I think he's better in the
pocket as a rookie. I think I watched them at
Arizona State. You did, I watched them at LSU. I
think Caleb Williams stole all the glare from everybody. I
think Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
That that as added pressure too.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Is as far as Kata Williams like, I think you
know he's he was at sc you know, you're hot,
You're in Hollywood, you got there all the lights, camera actionally.
But one thing I will say about Jaden Daniels and
to you, to you, to your you know, remarkings on him,
I think he's awesome.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
I think, you know, guys like that far under the radar.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
You know, you're not the talked about guy, but you're
kind of somewhat being talked about. So he has it's
easy settle for him because he doesn't have the added pressure.
Caleb Williams, he has the added pressure. He's going to
a team where they added Kenan Allen, the DeAndre Swift,
you got the rookie from h to Washington. You know
what I'm saying. So I think like it sets up
for success. But if he doesn't have the successes, like
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oh my god, like now now what's next? You know,
we just let go of fields, you know, So I
think it's a little harder for him.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
To kind of like be set up for success.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
But jayde and Daniels on the other side, he's kind
of calm selling under it, and he's like, you know
what sets up for great success for him as well too.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Who of all the corners you faced in your career,
So you were a speed guy. You were often in motion,
which you often do with smaller receivers to get them
free where there are one or two corners in the
NFL that you you just knew Sunday was gonna be
a tough day.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
We actually every time we played UH and this was
early on in my crew. We used to play the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
UH. A key to Lee.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
He was a very physical receiver, very physical cornerback. He
pressed at the line of scrimmage. You know, he was
like six three, his arms like from here to there,
and it was like he always used to come to
the line screens. But it was very challenging for me.
So I thought early in my career he was like
the only guy that really like Jammy.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
I don't get jam you know what I'm saying, But
he got me one time and I was pissed off.
I'm like, you know, what that never happened again. But
guys like him, I you know, used to face Dyl Reeves.
He used to give me some good times.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know, he's physical. He's another guy that can get
He's physical.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
But like one thing about Dryl he like he just
since ut route recognition. He was able to read rouse,
he was able to read the quarterback. And I think
another one was like Richard Sherman. You know, he was
a longer statue of guy. He played in that Legionma
Boom defense like they were crazy in the era. But
I used to you know, honestly, what I would say,
God's never really wanted to guard me one on one.
I'm not saying they wouldn't, but throughout the course of
a game, like you gotta follow me everywhere and I'm fast,
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So like who wants to guard to Shawan Jackson one
hundred percent of the time throughout the game, you know
what I'm saying. So for me, I think, you know
it's I give a lot of guys respect and credit,
but throughout the course of a game, there was no
one that really just followed me around the whole game
like they had safety help, you know, because they didn't
bombs over.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Bag that.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
You know it's deep.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
So you played with Michael Vick and Philly the legendary
Monday Night.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
Can my Dog? I know you've been on your so
a few times. Michael. I love Michael. That's my boy.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
So Michael was such. I mean when I was younger,
you'd see an occasional Michael Vick in high school, right,
maybe in college? Yeah, we weren't on a Michael Vicks
in the NFL. What was it like to play with Michael?
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Man?
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Honest, it was. It was a dream come true for me. Uh,
you know, I got a crazy story. So, uh it
was me. I thinks Shady McCoy and Jerry McLean was
actually in the locker room and we got a crazy
call from UH coach Rees.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
It's like a young fella, how you feeling, man, I'm like,
I'm good, coach was going on? You usually don't call me.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
It's like, what would you do if I told you
we could get Michael Vick. I'm like, what, Like you
said Michael Vick? Because you know she's fresh out of
jail from a situation.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
So I'm not thinking that.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I'm getting this call from Andy Reid and he's telling
me about Michael Vick. Right, And this is when obviously
we had Donovan Manaviviar. So I'm like, oh, man, So
he's like, oh do you feel I'm like, are you
kidding me? I grew up love of Michael Vick, Like
you know, he was like one of my first players
that I fell in love with. Like Michael Vick and
Allen Iverson and co and Kobe Bryant is like three
people that I my game after, right, So I mean
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it was a.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Dream come true.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
It was no other person that I learned more in
my career because you know.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
How I grew up and how I was raised.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
You know, I always was hanging around my friends, always
had like extra curriculum homies hanging around.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
So that's you know, just growing up how I grew up.
You got the friends.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
He was like, hey, d I'm gonna tell you this
one thing go wrong, none of them, Dude's gonna be
here for you, he said, trust me. I had a
situation where one of my boys I grew up with
had a little situation and they told on him and
something crazy happened.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
That how you got into the situation.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
He was like, Man, if it ever gets bad, these
dudes are not gonna be here for you. So I
just learned a lot from him because he said, you know,
as a professional, you gotta go to work.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
You can't bring these dudes with you. And I used to.
I was the guy that.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
Tried to bring everybody with me, let him experience games
and traveling. But sometimes you know that image is not
what you want to put out there. So for me,
I learned a lot from Michael Vick as a big brother.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Andy Reid as a coach, he's probably the best, well,
he's the best coaching the sport now. He's arguably the
best ever. Right, What was different about Andy Reid from
other great coaches? Because I'm looking at the coaches you had,
you hadn't mixed f harbed John McDermott, Chip, You had
good coaches, John Gruden, What what's different about Andy Reid?
Speaker 9 (28:20):
I think Andy Reid man first off, like you said,
I've been coaching from some great guys. I think Andy
Reid yet alone, is the best that's been coached me.
I miss a father figure. It was like almost having
a dad two point zero to be able to coach
and to be able to like, you know, just command.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
He can maar respect.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
He he gave you a heart, a hardship, but at
the same time he.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Loved you, so he'd bang on you.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
He would get on me boys.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
So I mean, when I tell you I used to
do things, he used to pull them glasses down to
give me that look. You ain't even got to say nothing.
You knew he was about business, you know what I'm saying.
For me, he was from la He was a guy
that grew up and raised out here, so he knew
what it was like. He knew the temptation, he knew
how I tried that, you know, help and changed the
whole area that I was raised in. So he was
just always telling me, like, when you come to work,
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ball got to be the focus.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
You can't be worrying about what's going on back home.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
This person needs help or he's asking for money, like
all that stuff you gotta leave to the side. So
for me losing my dad in two thousand and nine,
you know, I lost my dad early. I was twenty
one years old, you know, going into my second year,
and he knew what I endured, and obviously my dad
meant everything to me. So me losing my dad and
Andy Reid stepping up to the plate and like almost
being like a dad in my life was like huge
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to men.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
I will always love him.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
I actually just talked to him yesterday and he sent
me a text message talking about I had limits. He
said it, I had a flashbacks today. I said, coach,
whatch you mean? I look at the video and he
sends me the video my Homes turned out and throwing
the ball all the way back and xavier' worthy Worthy
catching the ball. I said, hey, coach, it's only one
de Sean Jackson. He said, he said, you're right, You're right,
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but you see that. I said, I've seen that throat
from that quarterback.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
I said that.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
He said, you would have loved my Homes. I'm like, man,
if I'd have been able to play with Mahomes, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know what I remember the first now I follow recruiting,
so I knew who you were, and you were at
Long Beach Pauli, which was sort of the road Runners,
which was kind of like sure the track team of
the West Coast football. Tell me if you remember this
Cal hosting Tennessee Brent Musburger ABC Punk Return for.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Sure one hundred percent.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
I mean I remember leading up all week because you
got to remember this.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
That was my sophomore year.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
So my freshman year, we went to Tennessee and got
our butts candid too, and I actually scored in that game,
you know, I scored. I did, okay, But I was
a freshman playing in Tennessee. That game one hundred and
ten thousand white and orange towels going. I'm like, I'm
looking at the stad like, wow, this big time football.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
Right.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
So year two, they come to col all week in practice,
this punter is talking.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
About all I'm putting the ball. He didn't do nothing
last year. I'm putting the ball. Put them.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
So I'm reading all these all these these uh these
messages or whatever the case may be, at all these articles.
And so the first first come up in the game,
they went three and out, all stuff, Here comes the way,
Here comes Wizard of Return. The Wizard of Oz returns, right,
So I go out there. He booted, he kicks me.
I'm like, oh my gosh, he kicks it. And what's
crazy is I felt the guy coming down. So it
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was a gunner. He got like a free release and
my guy didn't block him. Right, So I'm looking I'm looking.
I'm looking as you see him looking. I catch it
and I jumped back, so I make a miss. So
once I moved here, I looked to the right, it
was another guy coming down. I'm like, oh, man, I'm
gonna do this. So I like jumped forward and jump
back on him. And from there, man was it was
(31:29):
all his Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It went not We should try to find that. I
remember watching that, and you did sort of a Michael
Jackson and Musburger didn't had never seen it. And Brent
went nuts.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
He lost his mind.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Man, Now, Berkeley's I don't look at you and go
Tony Gonzalez went to Berkeley. I'm like, Tony, how did
you hippie.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Living in trees?
Speaker 9 (31:55):
They was living in trees because around this time they
were trying to redo the stadium and they didn't want
Did you like it?
Speaker 8 (32:00):
I loved it?
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I mean for me growing up in Los Angeles, California,
and uh, you know, I committed. I gave a soft
commit to USC. But Pete Carroll, he gave Patrick Turner
my number. I don't know if you know the story,
but Patrick Turner was a Tennessee guy, right, and he
was recruiting him and at the time SC and Polly
we had like a merge, like everybody from party was
going to SC. So Pete Carroll just thought he had
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me in the head like so it was like, all right,
we ain't got to do no extra recruiting for d Jack, right.
So going throughout the process, I'm telling him like, Pee,
I'm like, you gotta give me that number one.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
I need that number one. It's DJA is number one.
I'm staying home. I'm LA And he ended up giving
number one to Patrick Turner.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
And before I committed, I'm like, well, I committed, But
before I officially committed, I was like, you sure because
Jeff Ttervor he recruited me heavy. I said, you know
Calgs beach y'all cause you know I was the year
Aaron Rodgers beat them here in the coliseum. I said,
Calger's beach Ill said you sure, I can't get number one.
He's like, yeah, we got to give it to this guy.
He's coming from out of time. I'm like, all right,
made the move to go to cal But for me,
(32:57):
growing up in LA is different. You know, Cale just
was open arms and I was able to really go
and focus. I feel like if I went to SCO.
They had too many distractions staying here at home.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, ceedee, Lamb has a lot of leverage, So ton
of leverage now Brandon and I you is upset, but
they have so many weapons, right, the teams got a
little bit of leverage. No CD Lamb, no receiving Core.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
No Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Have you ever held out? I have? Is it hard?
I mean, what's the conflict between you're not with your dudes? Yeah,
but you want to get paid.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
I mean, honestly, for me, going back to twenty twelve,
and I just was talking about this situation, I think
I fell into a situation where Drew Rosenhouse was my
agent around that time. Man Drew Rodenhouse and the Eagles organization,
they were they weren't really jelling well together around this
time because too they had all this situation with t
O and the Eagles and High Rosman and all that joke.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
So they was kind of.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Already had like you know, there was already So I
don't even think it was me.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
It just kind of fell into the play that Drew
roden House was my agent.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
He was trying a strong arm the Eagles and it's like,
we're not going for it, but Drew rosen House was like,
we're not going to camp, and me, I'm like, I
love ball. Like all I know is I'm like, I'm
not going to camp. Like what are you talking about?
I'm not going to camp. And throughout the proces, I
think it was like a five or six day holdout.
I was getting fined like fifty thousand every day, and
you know me, I'm like, hold on, I'm trying to
get that new money. I ain't trying to go into
camp at that negative base. Right, So it ended up
(34:26):
working out. But what I do suggest man to these guys,
I mean a lot of times you never know how
the holdouts go. Sometimes they work into your benefit, sometimes
they don't work into your benefit. So I mean, ceedee Lamb.
I think he's definitely deserving of a new contrail question.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
You know, the past two years alone, he led the league.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
He led the league in receptions over the past two years,
you know, and and touchdowns he was third, and receiving
yards he was third.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
So I mean, and the.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Guys has been getting paid. There's no doubt in my
mind he shouldn't be at least right up under you
know justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Finally briefly with Sean McVay. So I love mcveage, it's
my guy. But when McVeigh got the job, he was thirty.
I got interns that are almost that old. So when
you were with McVeigh, his energy, Yeah, I mean, like,
what is it like to have a coach that's younger
than some of the players exactly?
Speaker 8 (35:19):
So I got an interesting story.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
So what was that twenty twenty seventeen, I think of
the year the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen offseason. I got
a call, you know from my agent at the time
was Joe Siegel, and Joe Siegel had a relationship with
the owners for the Rams, and they actually called and
talked to Joe and was like, man, how was We
want to talk to d Jack. We want to know
how McVeigh was when he was in Washington, cause I
(35:41):
was in Washington for three years.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
It was like, how is McVeigh as a coach? Is
he how is he as a leader?
Speaker 9 (35:46):
They called I was like one of three players they called.
So they called me, and you can if you ever
talked to me by you could ask him not line
they called me. They called Trent Williams and I want
to say, hey, buddy, that's my dog. And then I
want to say they called Pierre song at the time too. Right, say,
just was curious on like, you know, how is he
because one thing that a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
So Jay Gruden was our coach in Washington.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
Jay Gruden never got up in front of offense and
did any play any plays installed you know.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Sean McVay handled everything.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
And for me, I was like, Sean McVay is actually
a very personable guy because he goes up and he
takes control, he takes ownership.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
And at this time, Sean McVay was like twenty twenty eight,
twenty seven, I mean he was young room.
Speaker 9 (36:26):
He would control the room like he had that respect
and guys knew like you know, you got certain guys
that come up and it's like I'm in meetings, I
got to hear another dude talk. But like how engaged
McVeigh was, and not only engaged, like he knew his
stuff x's and o's, the ins and outs of the plays.
It was just like you would have thought he everything
was his philosophy. Right, So I was like, man, he's
a great coach. He's young, but he knows how to
(36:48):
take ownership. He could take control of the room. And
I think I actually helped him get that job in.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
LA I heard he interviewed with the Rams and they
came to the conclusion, we can't let him get on
a plane.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
When I tell you he's when I tell you he's
an expert, and I don't like to use this word geek,
but when it comes down to plays and just how
he sets up, like Cooper Cup obviously is a heck
of receiver. He had like two three crazy years. But
I mean just to see, like guys asking me because
I played with Cooper Cup, They're like, man, how was
Cooper Cup getting open this wide open?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
I'm like, for one, he can run routes. For two,
he's very smart.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
And for three, Sean McVay, the way he played calls
and the way he schemes for that they're never wrong.
And then not only that, you got Matthew Stafford. He's
a creature out the world as well too. I think
he doesn't get the much credit he deserves.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Man, he's a he's a baller.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
By the way, pooka Nakua out of nowhere and I
went to training camp last year and McVeigh with him,
McVeigh and yards wide receiver coach. They were sitting there
was like d Jack, D Jack, look what I got.
Because I was out there, I was gonna, I was
gonna coach. But I was like, man, when I seen
him hours and stand up, my knees start hurting. I said, hey, man,
I can't coach. I said, man, I can't do this.
So I went out there for a few days, but
I swear every day they kept telling me, look at
(37:54):
that guy Pooka, Look at that guy Pooker. So I'm
seeing him and I'm like, yeah, I'll see a little something,
but I ain't expect to see what I what I
just seen this past year.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Watched him at b YU in Washington, and I'm like,
I don't think he can separate man a. He's physical,
be the whole league plays zone. So he's a smart
kid who understands how any first Another thing is he
always breaks the first tackle.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
No, definitely, like Cooper's like that as well too.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
So I mean that that team man in there with
Matthew Stafford and then my young boy over there too
to out will I think you know, he'll have a
great year this year too. But uh, you know it's
it's crazy, man, just sitting back and seeing how the
league is advanced. Man, it's the offensive league now. You
got you know what McDaniel's doing over there with uh,
with Tyreek and Jalen Waddow. Man, I mean, I'm here
to love it. Like you know, you get a lot
of older guys to retire and they kind of hate
(38:40):
on the young guys. I mean, I'm here for the guy,
the money they're making, and how the leagues turn into
an offensive.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Game, and I'm here for I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Man.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
I think I can still play too, car. I don't
know what you think.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I think the Rams can I be a wipe number two?
Speaker 8 (38:53):
And uh what we just saying Dallas Dallas two?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Right?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
I don't know. I think Jerry Jones need to You
need to give me a call.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Man.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
I'm still It's safe. I'm mony like one eighty five.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You still work out.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
I still work out.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
This is the most out of every you know, all
these years I try to gain aware I can never
gain weight now and it took two years off.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
I got a little belly over here.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Hey man, what a pleasure to see you again. You're
always welcome on our show. Unbelievable career. And I met
Deshaun years ago at an event, and you're just light
the room up.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
I was partying, he was having a good time, and
I had to come out there and get some cheers.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Man, I try to avoid a bad time.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
Hey man, congrats. So all this is says you're doing
too Man, You're killing and you're out. You're doing your
thing on this on this network, man, this platform. Appreciate you, Yes, sir,
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