August 8, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin explains why Brandon Aiyuk would be making a big mistake trying to force his way out of San Francisco
He points out the major decision Dak Prescott is facing as he determines his future with the Cowboys
Quarterbacks run the NFL not wide receivers
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Live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
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breaking down stuffioways brings tape and his brain power. So Jmack,
the Brandon at Niners thing is interesting. I'm going to
start the show today with choices about choices, right, fork
in the road. You can go left, you can go right.
We'll have choices on who we vote for, what team
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we go to, what company we work for, what we
do with our kids. Life's about choices, right, So let's
start today, Brandon I Yuke. According to stories, the Niners
are just about fed up with Brandon I you and
how he's acting at practice. So Brandon I Yuke will
never play in his career if he leaves San Francisco
with a better offensive coach. Mike Tomlin is not a
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better better coach at getting receivers open. He'll never have
more moderate weather, may never have a better roster, may
never win seventy two percent of his games. He could
go to worse weather, a tougher conference, a worst roster,
shakier ownership, don't have the same head coach, double team
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now on every possession. It's a choice. San Francisco would
likely pay him twenty three million a year. He wants
twenty six and a half. DeVante Adams made that choice
from a Hall of Fame quarterback continuity winning every Sunday
to the Raiders the opposite in all of them. Tyreek Hill.
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Remember when he mattered in January and February. Hey, but
he got the bag. But he's irrelevant when it matters now.
He watches the games like all of us on television.
San Francisco, in my opinion, is a top two or
three place in the NFL for a receiver currently, Why well,
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the play action game's always available because they always have
a strong running game, So safeties can't cheat, linebackers can't cheap.
Always have a good running game. Also, you have a
brilliant offensive coach who schemes people open. You ever watch
the Rams and wonder how the hell is Cooper Cup
so wide open? You ever watch the Niners and think,
why is George Kittle so wide open? Is he a burner?
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That's what offensive coaches do, Defensive coaches don't. Also, let's
be honest, the Niners and Iyuk is part of this.
But last year the Steelers were twenty sixth in the NFL.
Now think about this, twenty sixth in the National Football League.
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In big plays, San Francisco was one. Do you think
that's all just roster or do you think the coaches
have something to do with it? Also, offensive coaches like
McVeigh Andy Reid usually rebuild shaky offensive lines faster or
running games faster. Has Tomlin figured out how to create
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a run game in the last five years, because that's
the rumor where he's going Pittsburgh. Also, with Kyle Shanahan,
you often are playing in games where you lead late.
You may take some reps off. You're gonna get big
gar andeed money in both. But it is built for
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wide receivers, scheming people, open, brilliant head coach, not totally
dependent on you. A big run game for play action.
It is a choice. But hey, go make five million
more and live in Cleveland and try to sell that
nine million dollar mansion. Ask Lebron in San Francisco. You
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can sell that eight million dollar house in about fifteen minutes.
That's all choices. I don't begrudge either. But as your
agent telling you, and are the smart people around you
telling you, you think it's a coincidence that Puka Nakua
has a fifth round pick is a home run with
Sean mcvaan the Rams, or George Kittle and Jennings for
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the Niners, as fifth and six round picks are incredibly formidable.
It's what offensive coaches do, offensive schemes do. Brandon Au
can make four million dollars elsewhere, go get the bag.
I think this is just about as good a place
for a receiver to be Yesterday, Scott Pioli, five time
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Executive of the Year in the NFL talked about the
IU dilemma. For the Niners.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
You have to look at your roster offer and say, okay,
how much are we going to put into this entire
quarterback room, into this entire wide receiver room? And this
becomes very complicated. I go went way back to the
early Patriot times. We had a different but similar situation
like this with a wide receiver that we loved by
the name of Dion Branch, and he was coming off
of a season where he won the Super Bowl MVP.
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He still had time left in his contract, but he
wants to get paid. He wanted that second contract. We
were in a place where we were paying some other people,
different but similar, and it unfortunately didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh it did for the Patriots. They won multiple Super
Bowls without Dion Branch. Dion I think went to maybe
Seattle or ended up there and it didn't work out.
The same. College football injects twenty five wide receivers annually
into the NFL, five or six, eight or nine stars annually.
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The Niners will be fine better this year with Ayuk,
but probably fine by late this season or early next.
I don't necessarily guarantee any success for Ayuk. He could
become Devonte Adams or Tyreek Hill, a little richer but
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far less relevant when the games matter. So I saw
The Athletic, a subscription model for sports writers. I subscribe
to it and read it regularly. Mostly agree today disagree.
There's an article today. The headline is can the Cowboys
afford to pay Dak in the NFL's broken quarterback economy?
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And the premise of the article is Tua with the
Miami Dolphins and Jordan Love sign their mega deals and
Mahome ranks only eleventh in annual salary. That says the
article is the problem. I disagree. There's a lot of
different ways to make money. Real estate, pensions, equiting, a business,
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stock market. There's a lot of different ways. Same with quarterbacks.
I think the more gifted quarterbacks who are really smart,
take a little less, get surrounded by better players, win more,
and then you're Tom Brady. You retire and a TV
network gives you thirty million dollars a year, not because
you're handsome, but because you won more. Go ask Drew Brees.
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He took the bag for a couple of years in
New Orleans with Sean Payton and lost. Then he took
much less restructure his deal to help the roster won
a Super Bowl. He's now iconic and won't have to
worry about money the rest of his life. Brady took
cuts because he had confidence in himself and the organization
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to surrounded with championship level players. Travis Kelcey and Mahomes
have structured team friendly deals. You think Taylor Swift is
dating a Carolina Panther tight end. Mahomes makes over forty
five million dollars in Kansas City with endorsements. You think
he makes that as a five hundred quarterback or slightly better.
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Winning is the thing in football. In baseball, it's about
lore and history. You can't listen to sports radio without
a Cofax or a Mickey Mantle reference. Basketball's artistic aesthetic
in optics bro football is about winning, win games, talk later.
Kirk Cousins has made his decision a choice to always
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take the most money. Okay, but he's not that relevant rich.
But what's his post football career if he wants won?
TUA with his injury history, I totally understand Tua saying, Hey,
I'm not Josh Allen physically, I'm not that big and strong.
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I'm taking the money that I get. But I think
for a Manning or a Breeze, or a Brady or
a Mahomes, I think the truly gifted guys know I'll
take a little less. I have a chance to win
on an annual basis a lot of cabbage. Again, there's
a lot of different ways, and people make a lot
of choices. You and your family may make choices. You
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may say, hey, I'm willing to move to Philadelphia. I
don't necessarily want to live in a big city or
buy one, but I just got double the salary. Many
people don't want to live in New York, but they
go there for the job. We all make choices, right,
A little less quality of life, a little more income,
or vice versa. Quarterbacks can do the same. Dak Prescott's
got a quote when talking about his contract negotiations. He said, quote,
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I've said it before. I have an obligation to the
NFL and other quarterbacks when it comes to getting paid.
Tom Brady never talked about that. Tom Brady simply talked
about winning Super Bowls. DA's making a choice and talking
about things I don't give a crap about. Brady talked
about stuff I do, trophies, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Drew Brees,
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lots of quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey. They get the bigger picture,
the long game. It's not the only game to play, though.
I get to a take in the bag. Jalen Hurts.
Smaller quarterback Saban moved off him, had his critics second round.
He's probably like, give me mine. I do not begrudge that.
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But the great quarterbacks who have the size, don't get hurt,
have the confidence. Generally, they don't have to be the
highest paid quarterback. They'll get it later. They'll get it
in shoes, they'll get it in endorsements, they'll get it
in TV contracts. Because football is about winning. It's not
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about talking about baseball cards in the sixties, romanticizing Bob
Gibson or sweet Jumper, nice crossover double us and the
better roster. A good quarterback has the Mary Wins. So
I don't think Mahomes is losing a second of sleep.
Go look at his trophy room. It's choices, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
J Mac.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I am. I'm all fired up today. I'm going to
Chicago for the weekend. The air shows in town. I'm
gonna bring my gun show to the air show. I
may even slip a tank top.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
That's outdoors, put that on the gram or TikTok, and
numbers are going to bed.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I like the fact that you have gotten me to
say just as a joke the Graham around the house.
I appreciate you're.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Starting to say that. So your daughter now thinks you're
cool and little cool.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah. Mark Sanchez joining us in one hour from now.
We've got a lot of stuff on the doc. NFL
weekend gonna be big, all the preseason games, and there's
a lot of quarterback Josh Allen I saw this morning's
gonna play. Got some guys gonna play this weekend.
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All Right, you're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by
Incredible Great Race On. So Stevan Diggs left the Buffalo Bills,
And there's been this sense over the last several years,
true or not, that mahomes the best quarterback in the league.
And I think that Josh Allen's the only quarterback physically
that can do most of the stuff he can do
I think Matt Stafford's got the same arm talent, but
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is not as young, doesn't move as well. Joe Burrow's
very good, but he's hurt a lot. But the difference is,
and this is what separates Brady and Mahomes from a
lot of other guys, is they led the receivers. They
were the offense, regardless of teammates. Brady won super Bowls
pre Moss, post Moss his best receiver, even his best tandem,
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arguably Moss and Wes Welker, the best tandem he ever had.
He won't getting super Bowls. He was actually better pre
and post Edelman and Gronk at the end, Dean Branch
in the beginning. And so Josh Allen has lost Stefan Diggs.
Stefan Diggs is basically worth maybe half a win a
year and half a point a game. So I was
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looking this morning at Josh Allen's career with Stefan Diggs
and without him, and without him they averaged nineteen a game,
one game above five hundred fifteen and fourteen. Now, some
of that is Josh Allen was a younger quarterback, and
as he developed, Stefan Diggs was there for the ride,
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but there is no question that his passer rating is
sub eighty as Mahomes without Tyreek Hill won back to
back Super Bowls. So if Josh Allen is the closest thing,
many in the league don't think it's Josh Allen. They
think it's Lamar or Joe Burrow. Burl's gone to Arrowhead
and one. But if Josh Allen is two in this league,
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then you can't be dependent on a really really good receiver.
Stefan Diggs is really really good. He's not to meet
DeVante Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. Don't think he's quite
as talented as Brandon Ayuk, so this will be very interesting.
There's a lot of drama. He's worth maybe a half
a point a game. I still think the Bills win
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the division and win playoff games. But if you're the
number one challenger for Patrick Mahomes, Stefan Diggs is a
non factor. Right this past year, the great quarterbacks win
and get to Super Bowls with imperfect rosters. Burle got
to a Super Bowl with a bad offensive line bad,
not average bad. Right now, this morning, acording to PFF,
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Josh Allen has the eight best offensive line. He's got
a stable, winning head coach, good front office, solid ownership,
above average defense, an excellent young tight end, and a
running back cook who looks like he could be an
a guy. That's a super Bowl roster if you're the guy.
That's a minimum getting to the AFC Championship if you're
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the guy. But the standard's been set by Mahomes. It
doesn't matter who the receivers are. It literally doesn't matter.
Sky Moore a couple of years ago was making plays
in the Super Bowl. Rashid Rice last year was making him.
This year is going to be a rookie from the
Big twelve. So if you're the two, there's no step back.
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Steman Diggs is good, Brady post Moss stack trophies. Here
is Josh asked if he'll miss him.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Steph's a great player and what he brought to this
team was was special.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So miss is.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I don't know if i'd say miss You know, he
was a guy that was reliable. You can you can
look too. He's gonna have the juice each and every day.
I'm sure he's bringing over there in Houston. So definitely, yeah,
you can't say that you don't miss that. But I
am very happy with what we got going on here
and how hard the guys have been working.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I think it was eight of the top ten receivers
last year in the league. Ford didn't make the playoffs
for didn't win a playoff game. It was thereabouts like that.
The quarterback leads the team. Burrow had to use t
Higgins at one point in his career. Stafford's had Cooper
Cup gone. Quarterback leads not wide receivers. Yeah, eight the
ten best receivers last year in the NFL, the big
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yardage guys. Ford didn't make the playoffs. Four lost a
playoff game. Stefan Digos moved. Shouldn't make an impact, should
not make an impact, It really shouldn't. Tight End and
running back in on line better than last year. Coach
stable GM stable defense better than average. Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
This is the herd line News.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Let me offer one quick question on Alan. Yeah, so
having Stefan Diggs, men, listen, that's a superstar receiver. You
probably have to shade a safety over toward him. You
got he's the focus of the defense. Can the focus
of the defense now simply be Josh Allen? Easier to
spy a great running duel threat quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
They now have legitimately a number one running back, They
have legitimately a top five tight end Kinkaid, and their
receiving corps is fine. I mean, the bottom line is,
you're not gonna cheat. They got Dawson, Knox and Kinkaid.
Be careful about cheating your safeties. Those are above average
tight ends. And again we can I can go to
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the great quarterbacks. I mean, outside of Kelsey, who did
not have a great regular season last year, what did
Mahomes have to work with? What did Lamar Jackson for
all those years when he was winning that division and
winning seventy five percent of his games? Last year was
the first year Lamar Jackson, you and I went always
got good receivers. Now, Mark Andrew's been a great tied
d He's had good old lines, decent run games. Last
year was the first year you're like, oh, he's got
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help on them. I mean, the Ravens do almost everything
right until last year. They weren't great at the wide
receivers stuff. They were like the Patriots in the dynasty.
They couldn't get wide receiver right.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I just I remember the Jets matchups with the Bills
and basically Sauce Gardner would erase Stefon Diggs and that's
how the Jets were able to hang so close with
the Bills. Bills offense doesn't go off against his Jets
d I just Shakir Coleman and Purtis Samuel. I'm not
losing sleep at night if I'm a defensive coordinator over
those guys. Sorry, all right, Let's start with Andy Reid.
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And a lot of coaches like to sit their starters
during the preseason, but.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Not mister Reid.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
He expects everyone to play in the Chiefs first preseason
game against the Jags on Saturday. Colin, that means Mahomes,
Kelsey and the rest of the starters will be on
the field ye in the first quarter pre season. What
do you think about the old school tactics.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, we talked about this yesterday. I think the old
secure head coaches, if somebody gets hurt, they're not losing
their job. I think if you're the coach of Arizona,
you know, like that guy in Arizona, they had a
losing season. You cannot afford to have one of your
top two or three plays. If Harrison goes down, there's
your season. So a lot of this. You know, years
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and years ago, I was talking to a football guy
in the league at this company, very successful person, and
he said a lot of these gms they're GMing for
their job. They want to win now, right, instead of
like building line play developing players. If you've been into
play six years and you've only made the playoff once
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the owner's about to replace you, will you shade your
draft to high risk guys that could possibly help you now,
but not safer, longer, smarter bats. That's why green Bay.
You know, if you look at teams that draft well,
Pittsburgh and green Bay, they're always playing the long game.
There's no urgency that. Green Bay just doesn't fire coaches.
The Pittsburgh Steelers don't fire coaches. So both organizations, it's
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not a coincidence they both draft well because they draft
smart with the long game in mind. So you know,
my take on that is Andy Reid, it's the long
game heat. His take is, I want to see these
young rookies play. Let's get them live bullets, and I
want Mahomes throwing to them, not our backup, because Mame's
gonna be thrown to him in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
It's funny iber fluch member in a Bears opener didn't
play anybody. He, by the way, is like you said
on the hot seat, he cannot risk anybody going down.
But yeah, listen, I guess I don't have a huge.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Problem with Reed not doing this.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
It's got across your fingers and hope.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians played guys, by the
way Belichick played guys. These guys are secure. They got
the pension, they got the money, They've got a ring.
It's a different ball game. I had a conversation about
this once with Lane Kiffen when he was at USC.
Younger coaches coached differently than older coaches. You know, coordinators
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coach differently in the game that a head coach a coordinator.
You'll see this sometimes in college where a special teams
coach is trying to get a promotion. He's going for
block punts every week. The coach is like, I don't
need block punts. I need good coverage. So sometimes a
coach within a staff, Belichick has to be Josh, it's
about winning games, not getting you the next head coaching opportunity.
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In the NFL, Belichick always preached that Jimmy Johnson always
preached that it's about winning, it's not about me building
up your resume as a coordinator an assistant coach. So
there's a lot of games within the game in football.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Next up is Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni talked a
little bit about this yesterday, how things have been fractured
between them and they were during the twenty twenty three season.
Hertz has refuted some of the claims, saying he trusts
his head coach, which that's not totally refuting, but nevertheless,
yesterday Sirianni made positive comments about his QB.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Yeah, go through all the go through all the same
processes that we go through after each year, and you know,
jale and I are in a really good place. Every
relationship that you have needs work that with everybody, and.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
We've always continued to try to work at that. We'll see.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So when they went to the Super Bowl, right, Jalen
Hurts was almost the MVP, Shane Steichen was the bell
of the ball, instantly got a head coaching job, and
Sirianni didn't get a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
When they went to the Super Bowl. So what happens
the following year.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Last year, Sirihan' is like, oh, I can control the
offense now I know what I'm doing, and it almost
feels like he's overreaching just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I've always had this theory that if I inherited, I
don't know anything at Microsoft, but if I inherited for
a year, if you said, Colin, you run Microsoft, you
would not notice how over my skis I was for
the first six months. But the second half of the
year you'd be like, man, there's some bad decisions being made.
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The longer somebody that's over their skis is in a job,
the worse it gets. So a lot of times, though,
you know, Chip Kelly leaves Oregon, they give it to
the assistant and for the first year, you just take
the head coach's momentum. So, sirian what really worries me
about Philly is at the beginning of last year they
were actually good because they took Sirianni's sensibility, some of
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his play calling, his tempo. But the more Nick said
in my team, it didn't just it didn't just lose momentum,
they're bad. So the longer Shane Stikeen was gone, it'd
be one thing if they started ozh to four without stiching,
if you just reverse the order of the wins and
they finished strong, you'd be like, oh, Sirianni, he had
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to kind of take over at the end of the
year because the new OC wasn't as good. No, it's
the opposite. They used the stike and momentum, and after
a while, when Shane's out of the building, it's your team.
The decisions are yours and the company erose. I always
said this with Charlie Weiss. If you to reverse Charlie
at Notre damey still be there. Charlie started great, he
used momentum, the big build up Charlie Weis's recruiting. The
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longer he was there, you saw his limitations as a
recruiter and a personality. So it's order matters, the order
in which you win. So you know when a great
coordinator leaves and you're great in September, let's check in
in Thanksgiving. When it's now you don't have any of
that guy's momentum.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I think Sirianni's Eagle started ten to oney to the
last two years right out of the gate strong. Last
year they crater at the end at this Kellen Moore
things interesting. Is Sirianni aware enough to say, hey, you
know what, I screwed it up last year by getting involved.
He was pulling Hurts out of meetings with the OC
to talk one on one with him about the offense,
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Like you can't do that. So is he cool enough
this year to say, hey, Kellen Moore, this is your show.
I know you like pace, run the offense. You got
Saquon do your thing. I'm gonna be a walk around guy.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Can he do that? I don't know. I don't know
the answer. Two years ago Kellen Moore was on fire
and now it's like he's a guy, So I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
The final story is Justin Fields continues to get most
of the first team reps in camp while Russell Wilson
nurses that calf injury for the Steelers. Field said the
increased workload has definitely made him better and he feels
comfortable in the Steelers offense. He also said this is
the best he's felt entering any season of his young career.
A lot of bests for Justin Fields out there.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Huh, he's very comfortable, very comfortable. One. I think this,
I think this is actually a really really interesting story.
It's young, it's youth versus veteran, rich versus a guy.
It's cool versus a little cringey. These guys are literally opposites.
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One's big, one's got a big arm. One's all high state.
One's a college legend. One's top of the draft, the
other's a third rounder dumped by a college coach Pete Carroll.
One's at the beginning of his career. One's near the
end of his career. This thing is. The dynamics on
this are fascinating. One's got the trophy, one's tying to
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resurrect his career. They're opposite quarterbacks. One's a big, tall
guy that moves well. One's a smaller guy past his prime,
beat up a little doesn't move quite as well. I mean,
it's everything about these two is just almost opposite. So
I'm fascinated to see what Tomlin likes.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Well, this Tomlin situation, Colin, he's been a great coach
in the league for a while, commanded the locker room
players coach, right, could he lose the locker room with
the wrong decision here at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The reason I will defend. Tomlin is even when a
coach struggles, if you're doing something really well, like Matt Eberflus,
he got that defense Hummet. I know he knows. The
Lincoln offenses led the nation last two years with one pro.
When I look at Mike Tomlin, that team plays, they
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may be the best underdog team in the league. He
develops players. I mean they don't miss on draft picks much.
So I mean Mike the players love him. He motivates. Now,
Now do I think situationally? I think sometimes he's a
little to two Pete Carroll a little too raw raw
for me, not enough details in certain spots. But Tomlin
does a lot very well. My take has always been
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if Mike could get the OC right, we wouldn't talk
about it seriously. It's I mean, once Russell came to
Seattle in his prime and Pete didn't mess around with
the offense and just did defense, motivation and personnel, Seattle
won super bowls or a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Hey, Colin, I just got to ask, like, does he say, Hey,
we're gonna win with defense and we're gonna run the
football and keep it conservative. Russell Wilson's our guy, because
I don't know that that's gonna go over well with
the Steelers offense.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
So then the old dative is, hey.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Justin Fields is gonna fling it all over the field.
There's gonna be ugly interceptions, probably a couple regrettable fumbles.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Ask yourself this, if they make a move for Brandon,
I you so I have Brandon Ayuk and Pickens. These
guys want the ball. Those guys want the ball. Who
do you think they're gonna side with? They almost side
with a young guy with a big arm, that Brandon.
I you thing that in for us? That who's got
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the bigger arm? Justin Fields? Who's the playmaker? Young guys
like playmakers. I mean Lamar Jackson just got voted best
quarterback in the league and Tyreek Hill best player by
player players like they like Westbrook more than Staff.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
And we Arthur Smith is the new offensive coordinator right
coming over after a time in Atlanta. Do you think
Tomlin lets him have a major saying? I think Tomlin
probably is giving him the offense real first year he's
been a head coach, I know, but failed head coach.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You have them, don't you have them? The worst team
in the league or something?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
We're close six six, seven wins.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They're not winning six games. There is no way they're
winning six games.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Basement in the division.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Still not winning six games.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Hey, pop another piece of that gumm and get back
to me on the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No kidding, My gum is very pro. Steelers until December,
not schedule and I'm not chewing the gum more like
in Pittsburgh j McK with the news.
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team up and play together. Paris is a city of love.
Do we have a couple of teammates for Team USA,
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It's crazy, what is happening? Keep your here are on
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Speaker 2 (30:59):
Didn't they win?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh yes, yeah, the first time in twenty one games
or something that's their big rival. Manager could win a
game a month, So Team USA has planned Serbia. Brian
Winhorst talking about Aunt Edwards and Kevin Durant, he said, Guys,
Aunt Edwards is trailing Durant like he's his big brother. Literally,
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Aunt gets off the bus with Durant when they warm
up before practice. Aunt standing next to Durant. Aunt can't
get enough of KD. Interesting. You do realize when these
great players play together at the Olympics, there are often
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connection points. Later I'll give you an example of multiple
Charles Barkley played with Alajo on first at the Olympics. Lebron,
Wade and Bosh redeem team became teammates. Lebron and Kevin Love,
Durant and Kyrie Irving. You remember that, don't you. Kevin
Durant and Devin Booker twenty twenty played together, became teammates. Well,
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you don't think they take numbers make calls. First of all,
Kevin Durant is always willing to move. He fits virtually.
We talked about this yesterday. He fits everywhere. He's now
thirty six. He's not getting younger. In two years. In
Phoenix they have already run through a couple of head coaches.
So Ant's got to be thinking, man, I have to
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carry this offense. I could sure use a guy who
could drop twenty seven but doesn't need a lot of shots. Also,
Ant has the ball in his hands. Kevin Durant doesn't
need the ball in his hands to score. He could
take a little off the plate for Aunt. Ant's also
probably thinking, man, have you seen Rudy Gobaert in these Olympics?
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Do you see Rudy Bear in the playoffs? Is that
a long time. I future that do I want to
tie my future to see and if Karl Anthony Towns
can stay at a foul try in the playoffs. I mean,
I I'm not. I mean it's this is intentional. This
is purposeful and snow dummy. He looks around the league.
He says, I need another guy. I needed Jalen Brown,
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I needed Jason Tatum. I need I need another guy.
I mean, Jokic has Porter and Murray and Gordon. You
need another guy, somebody that can drop points. So the
Tea Wolves are also offensively challenged. We know that what
are they really bad at that mid range game? They
were twenty six last year in Minnesota in mid range jumpers.
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That's atrocious for a really good team. Who's the best
mid range big in the in the sport Kevin Durant,
I'm just saying this to me, looks like something in
the City of Love Paris. This this looks like something.
And you can go back to that board I've got.
I've got nine different examples and we didn't even list
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all of them. I mean, it's just the ones we listed.
These are the ones you've heard of. There is no
question Lebron d Wade and Bosh playing at the Olympics.
There is no question that that started the conversations. Bosh
was in Toronto, Wade in Miami. There is no question
Lebron and Kevin Love. Why did Lebron go back to Cleveland?
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Had no interest in Andrew Wiggins the number one pick?
Why would he pick out Kevin Love because they had
a relationship. You don't think Durant and Booker played together
in twenty twenty and two years later. Of all the
places he could go when he was in Brooklyn, did
any of us say, you know he'd fit. I can't
believe we didn't see this. I didn't see it. It
was like it was a logical place to go. He
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was friends with Devin Booker again, a guard in Phoenix.
Chris Paul was older, who could use a little offensive help.
DeAndre Ayton wasn't helping him, right, So I can use
a guy these offensive players. I said this for years
with Kobe. Kobe wanted to be the man in LA
He didn't want to be the only man and sitting there,
I think Mike Conley's not a big scorer. Karl Anthony
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Towns is, but he's always in foul trouble. Rudy Gobert
doesn't score, he wants a twenty seven a point and
Kevin Durant doesn't need the ball in his hands. Ant's
gonna want the ball in his hands to create. He's athletic,
He's dynamic. Kadie's like, bro, I'm here, you get doubled.
I'm right over here.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
So how do you Can you move off Karl Anthony
Towns and get Durant?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Or do you or the Wolves?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Like, we're not chasing a thirty six year old Kevin Durant?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Is he Christ? Let me ask you this? Are you
chasing wins?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Do you wake Nesota right now?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Is better than Phoenix? Do you wake up tomorrow morning?
Remember it's not like the Knicks, who have a certain
culture that I think Kevin Durant wouldn't be a perfect
fit Michale Bridges. Minnesota doesn't have that culture. What they
have is kind of a weird roster that's kind of
big in spots and then lacking offensively. They're really actually
a bad offensive team considering how far they went in
the playoffs. I mean, like, Ant's the only guy you
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know you're getting points from. Karl Anthony town gets in foul. Nope,
Karl Anthony Towns Cam. It's more bad fouls than anybody
in the league has for years. He's really talented, you know,
entire future to CAP's judgment late in games. So my
take is, if you look one of the advantages of
Kevin Durant and Nick Wright and I have talked about this,
he may be the only player in league history, including
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Lebron and Jordan Magic Bird, he may be the only
player in league history. He fits on every great team immediately.
I mean, if you fit on the Warriors when they
had two volume shooters, and he fit perfectly. He fits
so perfectly in Golden State that Adam Silver, who knows
the value of dynasties, thought it was unfair to the league.
You could put him on the Bulls with Jordan, he
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would have been a better Tony Kokach. You could put
him on the Warriors with Stephen Klain. You could put
him on any team. You can't put Michael Jordan on
every team. Michael's gonna take shots. You couldn't put Michael
and Kobe on the same team.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I mean, Kobe and.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Shaq wore each other out. Kevin Durant never wears anybody
out he just gets bored. Yeah, to me, this one.
I mean they're now hanging out together, and you know
what you get. You get an older player Lebron with
an emerging young player like a Chris Bosh.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I just worry about Katie's age, man, Like, who's making.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
A You really think he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Hold up well here in the next few years.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
He played a ton last year exactly.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
I mean, Anthony Davis played a ton to everybody's expecting.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Not every player has to be a four to oh one.
K Can Kevin Durant give me two great years? Yeah,
I'm in It's Minneapolis. The Twins don't win titles, the
Gophers don't win titles. The Vikings don't win titles. I'm
crazy enough.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I think they don't need I mean, obviously they could
use Kevin Durant. Without Durant, I still think the Timberwolves
are the best team in the West right now.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
They can't.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
It's an offensive league. They're not enough offense. And Conley's older,
I mean Gobert, I mean, if it's the Olympics of
the playoffs. At times, he's just ineffective.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, that, by the way.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
The benching story was super spicy for Gobert, and like
he's running, he's like kind of a punching bag. Everywhere
he goes. People just like don't love Gobert. Like you said,
everybody loves Anthony Edwards. Govert's not really a vibe it.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That's another thing. Minnesota is good. They're well coached, they're
interestingly constructed, but they have a hole. They do not
score easy jumpers, like they're terrible at the mid range game. Well,
playoff basketball becomes much more situational, So mid range jumpers
everybody kind of poopoos them during the regular season, but
when you get into playoff basketball and you need a bucket,
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nobody cares that it's a three, I need a bucket.
Minnesota just couldn't get big buckets. And that's that's where
Dallas with Kyrie and Luca, they get buckets. They didn't
know it's get stops. Luca didn't play defense, but they
got buckets and in the end, that's why that's why
Boston won the championship. They had five guys, like eight
guys if you count Horford off the bat, seventy eight
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guys that could get a bucket, all ball handed, all
pass Minnesota is not talented enough offensively.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Do you think Steph Curry is privately getting recruited by
anybody at the oline?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I don't think he works with Minnesota. I think durand
if because if you move off Ant, you'd still want
some size you'd have. You could have go Bear, but
you wouldn't want to get rid of Ant and get
tiny because you are a great defensive team and against
a Jokich, you need to have size. Against Anthony Davis,
you're gonna need some size. So I think it's the
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league's getting bigger, not smaller. So I don't know. I
gotta tell you, we bury all these stars really quickly,
and they always have more years than we think. I
remember Brett Farvre going to the Jets. Everybody's like it's over.
A year later, he's in Minnesota. He's like the MVP
of the league. I mean, to the very end, Kurt
Warner was great, he decided to retire and the very
end he was making plays. Brady could have come back
the following year and been a top five quarterback.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
It's weird because Curry, it seems like, is on the
US team has the worst team now in the NBA
of anybody on that team. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Mean they didn't get lowry marketing and you can't be traded. No,
they're headed to like thirty eight forty wins? Maybe yes,
And at that point that's why I worry. Does Curry
then say, like, guys, what are we doing here? You
struck out on Paul George, you struck out on marketing.
You apparently made a run at Lebron.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Can we get anyone? Can we get someone?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
And just Curry start to ruffle feather. It seems out
of character for him, but he doesn't want to end
his career on like a thirty eight win.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Golden s Now. But he really feels like he's the Warriors.
He's Jeter to the Yankees. He can't trade him to
the Twins. Just like d Wade left Miami, he went
to Chicago. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna head home. Like
some guys just feel like they they're the DNA of
a franchise, Like I just Steph is the Warriors. I
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cannot see him in an Orlando Magic jersey. I will
not be able to unsee that
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breaking down stuffioways brings tape and his brain power. So Jmack,
the Brandon at Niners thing is interesting. I'm going to
start the show today with choices about choices, right, fork
in the road. You can go left, you can go right.
We'll have choices on who we vote for, what team
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we go to, what company we work for, what we
do with our kids. Life's about choices, right, So let's
start today, Brandon I Yuke. According to stories, the Niners
are just about fed up with Brandon I you and
how he's acting at practice. So Brandon I Yuke will
never play in his career if he leaves San Francisco
with a better offensive coach. Mike Tomlin is not a
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better better coach at getting receivers open. He'll never have
more moderate weather, may never have a better roster, may
never win seventy two percent of his games. He could
go to worse weather, a tougher conference, a worst roster,
shakier ownership, don't have the same head coach, double team
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now on every possession. It's a choice. San Francisco would
likely pay him twenty three million a year. He wants
twenty six and a half. DeVante Adams made that choice
from a Hall of Fame quarterback continuity winning every Sunday
to the Raiders the opposite in all of them. Tyreek Hill.
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Remember when he mattered in January and February. Hey, but
he got the bag. But he's irrelevant when it matters now.
He watches the games like all of us on television.
San Francisco, in my opinion, is a top two or
three place in the NFL for a receiver currently, Why well,
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the play action game's always available because they always have
a strong running game, So safeties can't cheat, linebackers can't cheap.
Always have a good running game. Also, you have a
brilliant offensive coach who schemes people open. You ever watch
the Rams and wonder how the hell is Cooper Cup
so wide open? You ever watch the Niners and think,
why is George Kittle so wide open? Is he a burner?
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That's what offensive coaches do, Defensive coaches don't. Also, let's
be honest, the Niners and Iyuk is part of this.
But last year the Steelers were twenty sixth in the NFL.
Now think about this, twenty sixth in the National Football League.
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In big plays, San Francisco was one. Do you think
that's all just roster or do you think the coaches
have something to do with it? Also, offensive coaches like
McVeigh Andy Reid usually rebuild shaky offensive lines faster or
running games faster. Has Tomlin figured out how to create
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a run game in the last five years, because that's
the rumor where he's going Pittsburgh. Also, with Kyle Shanahan,
you often are playing in games where you lead late.
You may take some reps off. You're gonna get big
gar andeed money in both. But it is built for
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wide receivers, scheming people, open, brilliant head coach, not totally
dependent on you. A big run game for play action.
It is a choice. But hey, go make five million
more and live in Cleveland and try to sell that
nine million dollar mansion. Ask Lebron in San Francisco. You
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can sell that eight million dollar house in about fifteen minutes.
That's all choices. I don't begrudge either. But as your
agent telling you, and are the smart people around you
telling you, you think it's a coincidence that Puka Nakua
has a fifth round pick is a home run with
Sean mcvaan the Rams, or George Kittle and Jennings for
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the Niners, as fifth and six round picks are incredibly formidable.
It's what offensive coaches do, offensive schemes do. Brandon Au
can make four million dollars elsewhere, go get the bag.
I think this is just about as good a place
for a receiver to be Yesterday, Scott Pioli, five time
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Executive of the Year in the NFL talked about the
IU dilemma. For the Niners.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
You have to look at your roster offer and say, okay,
how much are we going to put into this entire
quarterback room, into this entire wide receiver room? And this
becomes very complicated. I go went way back to the
early Patriot times. We had a different but similar situation
like this with a wide receiver that we loved by
the name of Dion Branch, and he was coming off
of a season where he won the Super Bowl MVP.
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He still had time left in his contract, but he
wants to get paid. He wanted that second contract. We
were in a place where we were paying some other people,
different but similar, and it unfortunately didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh it did for the Patriots. They won multiple Super
Bowls without Dion Branch. Dion I think went to maybe
Seattle or ended up there and it didn't work out.
The same. College football injects twenty five wide receivers annually
into the NFL, five or six, eight or nine stars annually.
(06:12):
The Niners will be fine better this year with Ayuk,
but probably fine by late this season or early next.
I don't necessarily guarantee any success for Ayuk. He could
become Devonte Adams or Tyreek Hill, a little richer but
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far less relevant when the games matter. So I saw
The Athletic, a subscription model for sports writers. I subscribe
to it and read it regularly. Mostly agree today disagree.
There's an article today. The headline is can the Cowboys
afford to pay Dak in the NFL's broken quarterback economy?
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And the premise of the article is Tua with the
Miami Dolphins and Jordan Love sign their mega deals and
Mahome ranks only eleventh in annual salary. That says the
article is the problem. I disagree. There's a lot of
different ways to make money. Real estate, pensions, equiting, a business,
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stock market. There's a lot of different ways. Same with quarterbacks.
I think the more gifted quarterbacks who are really smart,
take a little less, get surrounded by better players, win more,
and then you're Tom Brady. You retire and a TV
network gives you thirty million dollars a year, not because
you're handsome, but because you won more. Go ask Drew Brees.
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He took the bag for a couple of years in
New Orleans with Sean Payton and lost. Then he took
much less restructure his deal to help the roster won
a Super Bowl. He's now iconic and won't have to
worry about money the rest of his life. Brady took
cuts because he had confidence in himself and the organization
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to surrounded with championship level players. Travis Kelcey and Mahomes
have structured team friendly deals. You think Taylor Swift is
dating a Carolina Panther tight end. Mahomes makes over forty
five million dollars in Kansas City with endorsements. You think
he makes that as a five hundred quarterback or slightly better.
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Winning is the thing in football. In baseball, it's about
lore and history. You can't listen to sports radio without
a Cofax or a Mickey Mantle reference. Basketball's artistic aesthetic
in optics bro football is about winning, win games, talk later.
Kirk Cousins has made his decision a choice to always
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take the most money. Okay, but he's not that relevant rich.
But what's his post football career if he wants won?
TUA with his injury history, I totally understand Tua saying, Hey,
I'm not Josh Allen physically, I'm not that big and strong.
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I'm taking the money that I get. But I think
for a Manning or a Breeze, or a Brady or
a Mahomes, I think the truly gifted guys know I'll
take a little less. I have a chance to win
on an annual basis a lot of cabbage. Again, there's
a lot of different ways, and people make a lot
of choices. You and your family may make choices. You
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may say, hey, I'm willing to move to Philadelphia. I
don't necessarily want to live in a big city or
buy one, but I just got double the salary. Many
people don't want to live in New York, but they
go there for the job. We all make choices, right,
A little less quality of life, a little more income,
or vice versa. Quarterbacks can do the same. Dak Prescott's
got a quote when talking about his contract negotiations. He said, quote,
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I've said it before. I have an obligation to the
NFL and other quarterbacks when it comes to getting paid.
Tom Brady never talked about that. Tom Brady simply talked
about winning Super Bowls. DA's making a choice and talking
about things I don't give a crap about. Brady talked
about stuff I do, trophies, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Drew Brees,
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lots of quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey. They get the bigger picture,
the long game. It's not the only game to play, though.
I get to a take in the bag. Jalen Hurts.
Smaller quarterback Saban moved off him, had his critics second round.
He's probably like, give me mine. I do not begrudge that.
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But the great quarterbacks who have the size, don't get hurt,
have the confidence. Generally, they don't have to be the
highest paid quarterback. They'll get it later. They'll get it
in shoes, they'll get it in endorsements, they'll get it
in TV contracts. Because football is about winning. It's not
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about talking about baseball cards in the sixties, romanticizing Bob
Gibson or sweet Jumper, nice crossover double us and the
better roster. A good quarterback has the Mary Wins. So
I don't think Mahomes is losing a second of sleep.
Go look at his trophy room. It's choices, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
J Mac.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I am. I'm all fired up today. I'm going to
Chicago for the weekend. The air shows in town. I'm
gonna bring my gun show to the air show. I
may even slip a tank top.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
That's outdoors, put that on the gram or TikTok, and
numbers are going to bed.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I like the fact that you have gotten me to
say just as a joke the Graham around the house.
I appreciate you're.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Starting to say that. So your daughter now thinks you're
cool and little cool.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah. Mark Sanchez joining us in one hour from now.
We've got a lot of stuff on the doc. NFL
weekend gonna be big, all the preseason games, and there's
a lot of quarterback Josh Allen I saw this morning's
gonna play. Got some guys gonna play this weekend.
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Incredible Great Race On. So Stevan Diggs left the Buffalo Bills,
And there's been this sense over the last several years,
true or not, that mahomes the best quarterback in the league.
And I think that Josh Allen's the only quarterback physically
that can do most of the stuff he can do
I think Matt Stafford's got the same arm talent, but
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is not as young, doesn't move as well. Joe Burrow's
very good, but he's hurt a lot. But the difference is,
and this is what separates Brady and Mahomes from a
lot of other guys, is they led the receivers. They
were the offense, regardless of teammates. Brady won super Bowls
pre Moss, post Moss his best receiver, even his best tandem,
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arguably Moss and Wes Welker, the best tandem he ever had.
He won't getting super Bowls. He was actually better pre
and post Edelman and Gronk at the end, Dean Branch
in the beginning. And so Josh Allen has lost Stefan Diggs.
Stefan Diggs is basically worth maybe half a win a
year and half a point a game. So I was
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looking this morning at Josh Allen's career with Stefan Diggs
and without him, and without him they averaged nineteen a game,
one game above five hundred fifteen and fourteen. Now, some
of that is Josh Allen was a younger quarterback, and
as he developed, Stefan Diggs was there for the ride,
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but there is no question that his passer rating is
sub eighty as Mahomes without Tyreek Hill won back to
back Super Bowls. So if Josh Allen is the closest thing,
many in the league don't think it's Josh Allen. They
think it's Lamar or Joe Burrow. Burl's gone to Arrowhead
and one. But if Josh Allen is two in this league,
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then you can't be dependent on a really really good receiver.
Stefan Diggs is really really good. He's not to meet
DeVante Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. Don't think he's quite
as talented as Brandon Ayuk, so this will be very interesting.
There's a lot of drama. He's worth maybe a half
a point a game. I still think the Bills win
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the division and win playoff games. But if you're the
number one challenger for Patrick Mahomes, Stefan Diggs is a
non factor. Right this past year, the great quarterbacks win
and get to Super Bowls with imperfect rosters. Burle got
to a Super Bowl with a bad offensive line bad,
not average bad. Right now, this morning, acording to PFF,
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Josh Allen has the eight best offensive line. He's got
a stable, winning head coach, good front office, solid ownership,
above average defense, an excellent young tight end, and a
running back cook who looks like he could be an
a guy. That's a super Bowl roster if you're the guy.
That's a minimum getting to the AFC Championship if you're
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the guy. But the standard's been set by Mahomes. It
doesn't matter who the receivers are. It literally doesn't matter.
Sky Moore a couple of years ago was making plays
in the Super Bowl. Rashid Rice last year was making him.
This year is going to be a rookie from the
Big twelve. So if you're the two, there's no step back.
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Steman Diggs is good, Brady post Moss stack trophies. Here
is Josh asked if he'll miss him.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Steph's a great player and what he brought to this
team was was special.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So miss is.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I don't know if i'd say miss You know, he
was a guy that was reliable. You can you can
look too. He's gonna have the juice each and every day.
I'm sure he's bringing over there in Houston. So definitely, yeah,
you can't say that you don't miss that. But I
am very happy with what we got going on here
and how hard the guys have been working.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I think it was eight of the top ten receivers
last year in the league. Ford didn't make the playoffs
for didn't win a playoff game. It was thereabouts like that.
The quarterback leads the team. Burrow had to use t
Higgins at one point in his career. Stafford's had Cooper
Cup gone. Quarterback leads not wide receivers. Yeah, eight the
ten best receivers last year in the NFL, the big
(16:42):
yardage guys. Ford didn't make the playoffs. Four lost a
playoff game. Stefan Digos moved. Shouldn't make an impact, should
not make an impact, It really shouldn't. Tight End and
running back in on line better than last year. Coach
stable GM stable defense better than average. Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
This is the herd line News.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Let me offer one quick question on Alan. Yeah, so
having Stefan Diggs, men, listen, that's a superstar receiver. You
probably have to shade a safety over toward him. You
got he's the focus of the defense. Can the focus
of the defense now simply be Josh Allen? Easier to
spy a great running duel threat quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
They now have legitimately a number one running back, They
have legitimately a top five tight end Kinkaid, and their
receiving corps is fine. I mean, the bottom line is,
you're not gonna cheat. They got Dawson, Knox and Kinkaid.
Be careful about cheating your safeties. Those are above average
tight ends. And again we can I can go to
(17:53):
the great quarterbacks. I mean, outside of Kelsey, who did
not have a great regular season last year, what did
Mahomes have to work with? What did Lamar Jackson for
all those years when he was winning that division and
winning seventy five percent of his games? Last year was
the first year Lamar Jackson, you and I went always
got good receivers. Now, Mark Andrew's been a great tied
d He's had good old lines, decent run games. Last
year was the first year you're like, oh, he's got
(18:15):
help on them. I mean, the Ravens do almost everything
right until last year. They weren't great at the wide
receivers stuff. They were like the Patriots in the dynasty.
They couldn't get wide receiver right.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I just I remember the Jets matchups with the Bills
and basically Sauce Gardner would erase Stefon Diggs and that's
how the Jets were able to hang so close with
the Bills. Bills offense doesn't go off against his Jets
d I just Shakir Coleman and Purtis Samuel. I'm not
losing sleep at night if I'm a defensive coordinator over
those guys. Sorry, all right, Let's start with Andy Reid.
(18:46):
And a lot of coaches like to sit their starters
during the preseason, but.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Not mister Reid.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
He expects everyone to play in the Chiefs first preseason
game against the Jags on Saturday. Colin, that means Mahomes,
Kelsey and the rest of the starters will be on
the field ye in the first quarter pre season. What
do you think about the old school tactics.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, we talked about this yesterday. I think the old
secure head coaches, if somebody gets hurt, they're not losing
their job. I think if you're the coach of Arizona,
you know, like that guy in Arizona, they had a
losing season. You cannot afford to have one of your
top two or three plays. If Harrison goes down, there's
your season. So a lot of this. You know, years
(19:30):
and years ago, I was talking to a football guy
in the league at this company, very successful person, and
he said a lot of these gms they're GMing for
their job. They want to win now, right, instead of
like building line play developing players. If you've been into
play six years and you've only made the playoff once
(19:52):
the owner's about to replace you, will you shade your
draft to high risk guys that could possibly help you now,
but not safer, longer, smarter bats. That's why green Bay.
You know, if you look at teams that draft well,
Pittsburgh and green Bay, they're always playing the long game.
There's no urgency that. Green Bay just doesn't fire coaches.
The Pittsburgh Steelers don't fire coaches. So both organizations, it's
(20:16):
not a coincidence they both draft well because they draft
smart with the long game in mind. So you know,
my take on that is Andy Reid, it's the long
game heat. His take is, I want to see these
young rookies play. Let's get them live bullets, and I
want Mahomes throwing to them, not our backup, because Mame's
gonna be thrown to him in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
It's funny iber fluch member in a Bears opener didn't
play anybody. He, by the way, is like you said
on the hot seat, he cannot risk anybody going down.
But yeah, listen, I guess I don't have a huge.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Problem with Reed not doing this.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
It's got across your fingers and hope.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians played guys, by the
way Belichick played guys. These guys are secure. They got
the pension, they got the money, They've got a ring.
It's a different ball game. I had a conversation about
this once with Lane Kiffen when he was at USC.
Younger coaches coached differently than older coaches. You know, coordinators
(21:13):
coach differently in the game that a head coach a coordinator.
You'll see this sometimes in college where a special teams
coach is trying to get a promotion. He's going for
block punts every week. The coach is like, I don't
need block punts. I need good coverage. So sometimes a
coach within a staff, Belichick has to be Josh, it's
about winning games, not getting you the next head coaching opportunity.
(21:33):
In the NFL, Belichick always preached that Jimmy Johnson always
preached that it's about winning, it's not about me building
up your resume as a coordinator an assistant coach. So
there's a lot of games within the game in football.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Next up is Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni talked a
little bit about this yesterday, how things have been fractured
between them and they were during the twenty twenty three season.
Hertz has refuted some of the claims, saying he trusts
his head coach, which that's not totally refuting, but nevertheless,
yesterday Sirianni made positive comments about his QB.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Yeah, go through all the go through all the same
processes that we go through after each year, and you know,
jale and I are in a really good place. Every
relationship that you have needs work that with everybody, and.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
We've always continued to try to work at that. We'll see.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So when they went to the Super Bowl, right, Jalen
Hurts was almost the MVP, Shane Steichen was the bell
of the ball, instantly got a head coaching job, and
Sirianni didn't get a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
When they went to the Super Bowl. So what happens
the following year.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Last year, Sirihan' is like, oh, I can control the
offense now I know what I'm doing, and it almost
feels like he's overreaching just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I've always had this theory that if I inherited, I
don't know anything at Microsoft, but if I inherited for
a year, if you said, Colin, you run Microsoft, you
would not notice how over my skis I was for
the first six months. But the second half of the
year you'd be like, man, there's some bad decisions being made.
(23:08):
The longer somebody that's over their skis is in a job,
the worse it gets. So a lot of times, though,
you know, Chip Kelly leaves Oregon, they give it to
the assistant and for the first year, you just take
the head coach's momentum. So, sirian what really worries me
about Philly is at the beginning of last year they
were actually good because they took Sirianni's sensibility, some of
(23:33):
his play calling, his tempo. But the more Nick said
in my team, it didn't just it didn't just lose momentum,
they're bad. So the longer Shane Stikeen was gone, it'd
be one thing if they started ozh to four without stiching,
if you just reverse the order of the wins and
they finished strong, you'd be like, oh, Sirianni, he had
(23:55):
to kind of take over at the end of the
year because the new OC wasn't as good. No, it's
the opposite. They used the stike and momentum, and after
a while, when Shane's out of the building, it's your team.
The decisions are yours and the company erose. I always
said this with Charlie Weiss. If you to reverse Charlie
at Notre damey still be there. Charlie started great, he
used momentum, the big build up Charlie Weis's recruiting. The
(24:18):
longer he was there, you saw his limitations as a
recruiter and a personality. So it's order matters, the order
in which you win. So you know when a great
coordinator leaves and you're great in September, let's check in
in Thanksgiving. When it's now you don't have any of
that guy's momentum.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I think Sirianni's Eagle started ten to oney to the
last two years right out of the gate strong. Last
year they crater at the end at this Kellen Moore
things interesting. Is Sirianni aware enough to say, hey, you
know what, I screwed it up last year by getting involved.
He was pulling Hurts out of meetings with the OC
to talk one on one with him about the offense,
(24:58):
Like you can't do that. So is he cool enough
this year to say, hey, Kellen Moore, this is your show.
I know you like pace, run the offense. You got
Saquon do your thing. I'm gonna be a walk around guy.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Can he do that? I don't know. I don't know
the answer. Two years ago Kellen Moore was on fire
and now it's like he's a guy, So I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
The final story is Justin Fields continues to get most
of the first team reps in camp while Russell Wilson
nurses that calf injury for the Steelers. Field said the
increased workload has definitely made him better and he feels
comfortable in the Steelers offense. He also said this is
the best he's felt entering any season of his young career.
A lot of bests for Justin Fields out there.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Huh, he's very comfortable, very comfortable. One. I think this,
I think this is actually a really really interesting story.
It's young, it's youth versus veteran, rich versus a guy.
It's cool versus a little cringey. These guys are literally opposites.
(25:56):
One's big, one's got a big arm. One's all high state.
One's a college legend. One's top of the draft, the
other's a third rounder dumped by a college coach Pete Carroll.
One's at the beginning of his career. One's near the
end of his career. This thing is. The dynamics on
this are fascinating. One's got the trophy, one's tying to
(26:16):
resurrect his career. They're opposite quarterbacks. One's a big, tall
guy that moves well. One's a smaller guy past his prime,
beat up a little doesn't move quite as well. I mean,
it's everything about these two is just almost opposite. So
I'm fascinated to see what Tomlin likes.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Well, this Tomlin situation, Colin, he's been a great coach
in the league for a while, commanded the locker room
players coach, right, could he lose the locker room with
the wrong decision here at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's very interesting.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The reason I will defend. Tomlin is even when a
coach struggles, if you're doing something really well, like Matt Eberflus,
he got that defense Hummet. I know he knows. The
Lincoln offenses led the nation last two years with one pro.
When I look at Mike Tomlin, that team plays, they
(27:09):
may be the best underdog team in the league. He
develops players. I mean they don't miss on draft picks much.
So I mean Mike the players love him. He motivates. Now,
Now do I think situationally? I think sometimes he's a
little to two Pete Carroll a little too raw raw
for me, not enough details in certain spots. But Tomlin
does a lot very well. My take has always been
(27:33):
if Mike could get the OC right, we wouldn't talk
about it seriously. It's I mean, once Russell came to
Seattle in his prime and Pete didn't mess around with
the offense and just did defense, motivation and personnel, Seattle
won super bowls or a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Hey, Colin, I just got to ask, like, does he say, Hey,
we're gonna win with defense and we're gonna run the
football and keep it conservative. Russell Wilson's our guy, because
I don't know that that's gonna go over well with
the Steelers offense.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
So then the old dative is, hey.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Justin Fields is gonna fling it all over the field.
There's gonna be ugly interceptions, probably a couple regrettable fumbles.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Ask yourself this, if they make a move for Brandon,
I you so I have Brandon Ayuk and Pickens. These
guys want the ball. Those guys want the ball. Who
do you think they're gonna side with? They almost side
with a young guy with a big arm, that Brandon.
I you thing that in for us? That who's got
(28:26):
the bigger arm? Justin Fields? Who's the playmaker? Young guys
like playmakers. I mean Lamar Jackson just got voted best
quarterback in the league and Tyreek Hill best player by
player players like they like Westbrook more than Staff.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
And we Arthur Smith is the new offensive coordinator right
coming over after a time in Atlanta. Do you think
Tomlin lets him have a major saying? I think Tomlin
probably is giving him the offense real first year he's
been a head coach, I know, but failed head coach.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You have them, don't you have them? The worst team
in the league or something?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
We're close six six, seven wins.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They're not winning six games. There is no way they're
winning six games.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Basement in the division.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Still not winning six games.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Hey, pop another piece of that gumm and get back
to me on the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No kidding, My gum is very pro. Steelers until December,
not schedule and I'm not chewing the gum more like
in Pittsburgh j McK with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
lie guys.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
You do realize whenever you have the Olympics and all
these NBA stars converge, you get little bromances and guys
team up and play together. Paris is a city of love.
Do we have a couple of teammates for Team USA,
(29:50):
one young, one old that are going to join forces.
It's crazy, what is happening? Keep your here are on
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Speaker 2 (30:59):
Didn't they win?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh yes, yeah, the first time in twenty one games
or something that's their big rival. Manager could win a
game a month, So Team USA has planned Serbia. Brian
Winhorst talking about Aunt Edwards and Kevin Durant, he said, Guys,
Aunt Edwards is trailing Durant like he's his big brother. Literally,
(31:23):
Aunt gets off the bus with Durant when they warm
up before practice. Aunt standing next to Durant. Aunt can't
get enough of KD. Interesting. You do realize when these
great players play together at the Olympics, there are often
(31:44):
connection points. Later I'll give you an example of multiple
Charles Barkley played with Alajo on first at the Olympics. Lebron,
Wade and Bosh redeem team became teammates. Lebron and Kevin Love,
Durant and Kyrie Irving. You remember that, don't you. Kevin
Durant and Devin Booker twenty twenty played together, became teammates. Well,
(32:09):
you don't think they take numbers make calls. First of all,
Kevin Durant is always willing to move. He fits virtually.
We talked about this yesterday. He fits everywhere. He's now
thirty six. He's not getting younger. In two years. In
Phoenix they have already run through a couple of head coaches.
So Ant's got to be thinking, man, I have to
(32:31):
carry this offense. I could sure use a guy who
could drop twenty seven but doesn't need a lot of shots. Also,
Ant has the ball in his hands. Kevin Durant doesn't
need the ball in his hands to score. He could
take a little off the plate for Aunt. Ant's also
probably thinking, man, have you seen Rudy Gobaert in these Olympics?
(32:52):
Do you see Rudy Bear in the playoffs? Is that
a long time. I future that do I want to
tie my future to see and if Karl Anthony Towns
can stay at a foul try in the playoffs. I mean,
I I'm not. I mean it's this is intentional. This
is purposeful and snow dummy. He looks around the league.
He says, I need another guy. I needed Jalen Brown,
(33:13):
I needed Jason Tatum. I need I need another guy.
I mean, Jokic has Porter and Murray and Gordon. You
need another guy, somebody that can drop points. So the
Tea Wolves are also offensively challenged. We know that what
are they really bad at that mid range game? They
were twenty six last year in Minnesota in mid range jumpers.
(33:34):
That's atrocious for a really good team. Who's the best
mid range big in the in the sport Kevin Durant,
I'm just saying this to me, looks like something in
the City of Love Paris. This this looks like something.
And you can go back to that board I've got.
I've got nine different examples and we didn't even list
(33:56):
all of them. I mean, it's just the ones we listed.
These are the ones you've heard of. There is no
question Lebron d Wade and Bosh playing at the Olympics.
There is no question that that started the conversations. Bosh
was in Toronto, Wade in Miami. There is no question
Lebron and Kevin Love. Why did Lebron go back to Cleveland?
(34:16):
Had no interest in Andrew Wiggins the number one pick?
Why would he pick out Kevin Love because they had
a relationship. You don't think Durant and Booker played together
in twenty twenty and two years later. Of all the
places he could go when he was in Brooklyn, did
any of us say, you know he'd fit. I can't
believe we didn't see this. I didn't see it. It
was like it was a logical place to go. He
(34:38):
was friends with Devin Booker again, a guard in Phoenix.
Chris Paul was older, who could use a little offensive help.
DeAndre Ayton wasn't helping him, right, So I can use
a guy these offensive players. I said this for years
with Kobe. Kobe wanted to be the man in LA
He didn't want to be the only man and sitting there,
I think Mike Conley's not a big scorer. Karl Anthony
(35:01):
Towns is, but he's always in foul trouble. Rudy Gobert
doesn't score, he wants a twenty seven a point and
Kevin Durant doesn't need the ball in his hands. Ant's
gonna want the ball in his hands to create. He's athletic,
He's dynamic. Kadie's like, bro, I'm here, you get doubled.
I'm right over here.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
So how do you Can you move off Karl Anthony
Towns and get Durant?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Or do you or the Wolves?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Like, we're not chasing a thirty six year old Kevin Durant?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Is he Christ? Let me ask you this? Are you
chasing wins?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Do you wake Nesota right now?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Is better than Phoenix? Do you wake up tomorrow morning?
Remember it's not like the Knicks, who have a certain
culture that I think Kevin Durant wouldn't be a perfect
fit Michale Bridges. Minnesota doesn't have that culture. What they
have is kind of a weird roster that's kind of
big in spots and then lacking offensively. They're really actually
a bad offensive team considering how far they went in
the playoffs. I mean, like, Ant's the only guy you
(35:53):
know you're getting points from. Karl Anthony town gets in foul. Nope,
Karl Anthony Towns Cam. It's more bad fouls than anybody
in the league has for years. He's really talented, you know,
entire future to CAP's judgment late in games. So my
take is, if you look one of the advantages of
Kevin Durant and Nick Wright and I have talked about this,
he may be the only player in league history, including
(36:14):
Lebron and Jordan Magic Bird, he may be the only
player in league history. He fits on every great team immediately.
I mean, if you fit on the Warriors when they
had two volume shooters, and he fit perfectly. He fits
so perfectly in Golden State that Adam Silver, who knows
the value of dynasties, thought it was unfair to the league.
You could put him on the Bulls with Jordan, he
(36:35):
would have been a better Tony Kokach. You could put
him on the Warriors with Stephen Klain. You could put
him on any team. You can't put Michael Jordan on
every team. Michael's gonna take shots. You couldn't put Michael
and Kobe on the same team.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I mean, Kobe and.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Shaq wore each other out. Kevin Durant never wears anybody
out he just gets bored. Yeah, to me, this one.
I mean they're now hanging out together, and you know
what you get. You get an older player Lebron with
an emerging young player like a Chris Bosh.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I just worry about Katie's age, man, Like, who's making.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
A You really think he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Hold up well here in the next few years.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
He played a ton last year exactly.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
I mean, Anthony Davis played a ton to everybody's expecting.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Not every player has to be a four to oh one.
K Can Kevin Durant give me two great years? Yeah,
I'm in It's Minneapolis. The Twins don't win titles, the
Gophers don't win titles. The Vikings don't win titles. I'm
crazy enough.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I think they don't need I mean, obviously they could
use Kevin Durant. Without Durant, I still think the Timberwolves
are the best team in the West right now.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
They can't.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
It's an offensive league. They're not enough offense. And Conley's older,
I mean Gobert, I mean, if it's the Olympics of
the playoffs. At times, he's just ineffective.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, that, by the way.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
The benching story was super spicy for Gobert, and like
he's running, he's like kind of a punching bag. Everywhere
he goes. People just like don't love Gobert. Like you said,
everybody loves Anthony Edwards. Govert's not really a vibe it.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That's another thing. Minnesota is good. They're well coached, they're
interestingly constructed, but they have a hole. They do not
score easy jumpers, like they're terrible at the mid range game. Well,
playoff basketball becomes much more situational, So mid range jumpers
everybody kind of poopoos them during the regular season, but
when you get into playoff basketball and you need a bucket,
(38:24):
nobody cares that it's a three, I need a bucket.
Minnesota just couldn't get big buckets. And that's that's where
Dallas with Kyrie and Luca, they get buckets. They didn't
know it's get stops. Luca didn't play defense, but they
got buckets and in the end, that's why that's why
Boston won the championship. They had five guys, like eight
guys if you count Horford off the bat, seventy eight
(38:46):
guys that could get a bucket, all ball handed, all
pass Minnesota is not talented enough offensively.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Do you think Steph Curry is privately getting recruited by
anybody at the oline?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I don't think he works with Minnesota. I think durand
if because if you move off Ant, you'd still want
some size you'd have. You could have go Bear, but
you wouldn't want to get rid of Ant and get
tiny because you are a great defensive team and against
a Jokich, you need to have size. Against Anthony Davis,
you're gonna need some size. So I think it's the
(39:17):
league's getting bigger, not smaller. So I don't know. I
gotta tell you, we bury all these stars really quickly,
and they always have more years than we think. I
remember Brett Farvre going to the Jets. Everybody's like it's over.
A year later, he's in Minnesota. He's like the MVP
of the league. I mean, to the very end, Kurt
Warner was great, he decided to retire and the very
end he was making plays. Brady could have come back
the following year and been a top five quarterback.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
It's weird because Curry, it seems like, is on the
US team has the worst team now in the NBA
of anybody on that team. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Mean they didn't get lowry marketing and you can't be traded. No,
they're headed to like thirty eight forty wins? Maybe yes,
And at that point that's why I worry. Does Curry
then say, like, guys, what are we doing here? You
struck out on Paul George, you struck out on marketing.
You apparently made a run at Lebron.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Can we get anyone? Can we get someone?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
And just Curry start to ruffle feather. It seems out
of character for him, but he doesn't want to end
his career on like a thirty eight win.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Golden s Now. But he really feels like he's the Warriors.
He's Jeter to the Yankees. He can't trade him to
the Twins. Just like d Wade left Miami, he went
to Chicago. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna head home. Like
some guys just feel like they they're the DNA of
a franchise, Like I just Steph is the Warriors. I
(40:33):
cannot see him in an Orlando Magic jersey. I will
not be able to unsee that
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