September 30, 2024 • 30 mins
Fox Sports NFL reporter Peter Schrager joins the show in studio to reveal why Washington and Jayden Daniels have gotten off to such a hot start
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Fox Sports NFL reporter Peter Schreger from best selling books
to podcasts. He's in LA from time to time for
doing that Sunday show, and he says, hey, I'll stop by.
Busy guy, young family crushing it all right? So I
said earlier, you and I both are fans of Cliff Kingsbury,
and you know this shrigs very well that some guys.
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You know, Cliff is not a barker, but boy, when
it comes to play calling, play designing, quarterback development, it
kind of feels. I don't know how to explain what
I'm watching, but everything is working with the commanders. Not
a flup. This is what is.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They've punted one time since Week one. They've had twenty
three scoring drives this season. They've only had nineteen eight
complete passes. They have a rookie quarterback who's completing eighty
two percent of his pass attempts, and he's not throwing
like two passes a game. He's throwing thirty passes a game.
And I'll give you a little journey on Cliff. I've
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spent a lot of time with Cliff, especially the last
two years since he got fired by the Cardinals. And
remember the Cardinals are paying the bulk of his salary still,
so they pay him and every money, every dollar he
takes from Washington is offset from his Arizona contract. But
last year I'd fly out for Fox on Saturdays and
we would have the Fox kickoff show on Sundays. A
lot of times I would get dinner with Cliff on
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Saturday nights in Los Angeles because the USC would be
done and we'd link up whatever. And his situation at
USC was so unique in a disgusting NIL world and
with everyone transferring, and I was like Cliff's deal with
Lincoln Riley, who they know from Texas Tech days, was
you deal with the head coach, and you deal with
the recruiting duties, and you deal with the NIL duties.
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All I want to do is work with Caleb Williams
and draw up plays and work with that offense and
get in the lab. That's Cliff's happy place. And he
didn't go into a single mother's living room and beg him,
don't go to Penn State. We're gonna pay you this
amount of money. You don't have to go with any
of that. He just focused on a playbook and built
this playbook, and Caleb was wonderful. You go into this offseason,
the sliding doors factor here is insane. So I think
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if I was to call it early on in the process,
Washington's number one guy was Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator.
Yes to be their head coach. Ben Johnson pulls his
name out, says, I'm going back to Detroit. God bless him.
He goes back to Detroit. They pivot, They go to
dan Quinn. Cliff Kingsbury interviewed with the Chicago Bears for
I think six hours out here in Marina.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Del Rey Yeap told about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yep, all right, interviewed for the offensive coordinator job. He's like,
I don't know ebra Flus, but I love Caleb and
we'll see what happens. The interview goes goes fairly well.
Cliff thinks he's got a shot they never hear us
back from him. They basically tell him we're moving in
another direction. They hire Eberflus interviews with Philly, He's like,
Jalen Hurts, I would love to use this new playbook
with Jalen Hurts. Awesome quarter didn't get offered the job Raiders.
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They agree to a job, but then they start talking
about the numbers of the contract in the years in
the contract that falls apart. That's three NFL teams that
had a chance to bring in Cliff with young quarterbacks
and all liked him. And then Dan Quinn the day
the Raiders thing falls apart, is like, dude, should we
roll this back? Should we do this? Should we make
this happen? And Cliff got in the lab and was like,
all right, let's look at these quarterbacks. Caleb's likely off
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the board. Remember the Bears didn't even meet with Jaden Daniels,
didn't even care to meet him. They said we're taking
him no matter what. And then Cliff started building an
offense that day built around Jayden Daniels's skill set before
even meeting him. So they've been building this offense. Jaden
gets in there and he comes in with fifty five
starts at the college level, Arizona State, then LSU. He
has seen it all. Do you know who his number
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one wide receiver was, his fresh when you're at Arizona State,
Brandan Ayuk, who's like a five year veteran, so he
has played for a long time. He came ready and
it's just a perfect match of new owner, new GM,
new head coach, new offensive coordinator, and then this amazing
gift that fell in their laps at number two. And
he's been outstanding. And it's the first time in my
professional career and I've been doing this since probably early
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two thousands that there's genuine excitement around the Washington football
team Washington Commanders in this case, not the Redskins. And
it's not with a yeah, but it's like, no, this
is there. Everything is right. The crew that brought around him,
they didn't just go and hired and signed some diva
wide receiver, like we like McLaurin. We're gonna bring in
Bobby Wagner, maybe the best defensive leader. We're gonna bring
in Zach Ertz, maybe the best offensive leader in the league.
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Oh and then we're also gonna have like Austin Eckler
and Marcus Mariota and Frankie Lou What if all these
guys have in common. They're great teammates and great dudes,
and then you drop in Jaden Daniels and it's all working.
So we're four weeks in, but I think there's not
enough that can be said about all the different paths
that took to get here, and it just has worked
out beautifully.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Great story, good storytelling there. I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
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Speaker 1 (05:14):
Kansas City is so strange, so all their games look
the exact same. They've won ten straight, nine close. I
said earlier they should teach crisis management. Somebody's always hurt,
somebody's traded their offensive line, They've rebuilt it twice. This
isn't what dynasties look like. They look like Kevin Durant
and Steph Yes. Alabama was saban. Every game's close. It's
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getting to be New england Ish where you're like, I'm
not even sure they have as many good players as
the Chargers. I always felt that with New England. I'm
like Ravens have better players. What do we make you
were there yesterday? Now it's for Shee Rice. Cross your
fingers because he'd really become a dude. What do you
make of what you're watching?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, I would be shocked if for she Rice is
available this rest of the season. He's done. I think
that was real, you know, Andrey, I don't want to
play doctor on TV before their official results are in,
but that's an acl and he'll be out. So now
you lose Hollywood Brown, who they never even got a
chance to use, who's supposed to be their number one
wide receiver. He lose Rashi Rice, who's the number two.
You lose Isaiah Pacheco, who's their number one running back.
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And you look at it and you say, okay, they
find a way. And like yesterday at the game, Kareem
Hunt wearing twenty nine, you know, because twenty seven is
now worn by Chamari Connor and it's Kareem Hunt who
hasn't played there for five years. But he comes back
and he's gobbling up yards. They find a way. Samaj
Pirron gets let go by the Broncos. The Chiefs bring
him on and they're like, all right, we'll make a way.
To work. The hidden secret with this Chiefs team A.
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Their defense is outstanding and they're really really good. They
were sending you know, zero blitz the entire game and
giving Justin Herbert Hell yesterday. And the other secret is
they replenish in the draft. So it's like Lugarius Sneed
was a great Kansas City Chief signed for a ton
of money with the Titans. We have replacements ready because
they've been training him for two years. So Jalen Watson
and step up or Josh Williams or Chamory Connor. This
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is a real test, though, Colin, I don't know if
they have the horses. Like losing all these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Now Worthy does give him an over the top pop.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yes he does, yes, but that is asking a lot
out of an over the pop, like now you're the
number one wide receiver. He's guy hasn't been and that's
the big ask. And then Kelsey looks like he's a
slept step slower. Whether or not that's going to cause
the ire of football fans everywhere. I think it's fair
to say he's not the same guy he was three
years ago. So then you start looking and Brett Veach
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has never been scared to pick up the phone. He's
a general manager, and I think he's the best in
the game. And you know, a couple of years ago
they thought they needed an next or something. The Giants
traded Kadarius Tony sixty cents on the dollar. He plays
a big role in that Super Bowl went over. There
doesn't work out, it works. So some names that you'll
hear over the next couple of days, Yeah, let's go
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through them. I think you look at Amari Cooper making
a lot of money in Cleveland, like, do you not
call up Andrew Berry and say what what would you
be willing to I look at DeAndre Hopkins in Tennessee.
I say that team's zero to three tonight. They're playing
money night football makes a ton of money. But is
there something we can work out contract wise? I said this,
and I got a lot of pushback. Doesn't come from
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the Rams guys. But I would call on Cooper cup
I would see I would call every team. I would
call thirty one teams and I would say, all right,
your team is not going to the super Bowl this year.
You're playing this amount of money.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Rams could take picks.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
They want a quarterback in gosh, look, I love Cup,
and Stafford loves Cup, and I know McVeigh loves Cup,
so they're probably not going to trade Cup. But it
doesn't hurt to call and see, Okay, you're one in
three and Pooka's out for the next four weeks and
Cups cut. So what would it take to get this
future Hall of Famer? Because I would assume every team
picks up the phone and then you could say, no,
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we're good.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You go down the list on a lot of these names,
and I think those Jaguars, veteran ro chievs like Christian Kirk,
like those.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Types like yep, pro total pro, all these guys can
help good the Chiefs. I'm not a big swing like
Devonte Adam.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I just don't think the Raiders would trade them in
the division.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, okay, fair, Yep, they know.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That's one of those like any other team, Yes, and
I think that's that's going that. But I think you
would want to look to guys who are outside the
division and they don't have much money, like they only
have like five million dollars in the salary cap. But
if we've learned anything about the NFL in recent years,
there's wiggle room. There's way to move money, and if
there's veteran players who are making at they can restructure
their contracts to make those deals happen. So curious to
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see if Veitch just sits tight and says, hey, we've
gotten three rougher times before.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Though, or if they get aggressive. Let me let me
say this, Travis Kelsey's aging. I do think they're in
this tiny window where, like, you know, you'd say to yourself, well,
you've got two trophies. But you know what, like as
New England proved they couldn't win with Randy Moss, like
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this drought, it's I mean, the Ravens are young and
going nowhere. San Francisco, Detroit know their windows are wid open.
So I could see Kansas City saying we got two
in a row. We've got moment. Andy Reid is now
high sixties.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Why not? And also Colin Since the invent of the
Super Bowl in nineteen sixty seven, no franchise that are
won three in a row. If ever, there was a
team that you'd say, Okay, you guys traded too much,
but you'd give them the benefit of the doubt. It's
the Chiefs chasing history. You're going three straight. So they're
looking to go. I call it the Chief's peed, but
it's the three peat. I just want pat Riley to
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assume me you're looking to win three in a row here.
So if they gave up multiple first round picks and
they mortgaged the future to bring in a star number
one wide receiver or to bring in a stud number
two wide receiver a Keenan Allen, I'm just sure that
the guys that are veterans that might not necessarily have
a long runway with their current teams. I don't think
any Chief stand would spite them, Like now is the
time we're going for history. We're trying to be the
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greatest team of all time. Yeah, okay, so for three
years from now, we don't have a backup left tackle. Okay,
let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah all right. So I thought this was a terrible
spot for the Broncos YEP, and a great spot for
the Jets. Star quarterback, old offensive line getting extra time
to prepare at home, Like this team is old lines,
a little older, got a few extra days. Here comes
rookie bow nicky and they're over under was five wins.
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I think they're better than that, And I'm looking up
in thirteen penalties for the Jets. But I will say this,
the Broncos game plan was like seven in the box
beat US. You know Sean Payton very well. I think
he that flight back to Denver was one of the
best flights he's had.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's been so long since they've been back to Denver.
They won in Tampa, which was a huge win. And
what Sean did in that game, and I spoke to
him afterwards, was they won the coin toss. You never
see teams receive anymore. He said, let's receive, and let's
give bo Nicks the confidence in this Tampa game. First drive,
We're giving you the ball. Gole right down the field,
march down the field. Score They did. All right, you
finally have your first big scoring drive and they blew
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out the Buccaneers. Instead of flying back to Denver, they
stayed on the East Coast. They stayed at the Greenbrier,
which is this resor West Virginia. Well, they didn't realize
Hurricane Helen was coming, so they run their entire Friday
walk through in an indoor bubble that is not a
football field, is a hard court tennis court. So they're
running their offense on a tennis court with you know,
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fifty three guys in running sneakers doing their entire game plan.
So Sean is just, you know, like, okay, we're but
they were galvanized by this. They were all in this
together and now they go into this horrendous weather. Friday night,
I saw a concert at Madison Square Garden. I'm not kidding.
A new Peyton was coming in and he used to
work with us at Fox. Jelly Roll. I don't know
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if you're fine, jelly Roll should be doing the halftime show.
That's my take. Anyway, they call up I call up Peyton.
I'm like, is there any chance I know it's the season,
and he was like, shregs, are you out of your mind?
He's like, I am knee deep in Jets footage and
Vance Joseph is trying to stop this thing. Like, in
my foolish head, I'm like, oh, maybe you can go
out and go see a concert on a Friday night.
That's not where his head was. Their head was let's
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go take care of the Jets and let's figure out
a game plan. Yes, all the penalties, but Vance Joseph's
defense was outstanding. That was and they didn't ask Bon
Nicks to throw thirty five times in the rain. They
didn't ask bon Nicks to do anything he can. He
threw the touchdown past to Courtland, something that was enough.
Jelly Roll was amazing, and so was Post Malone, who
stepped up and did a song as well.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, yeah, finally, I uh one of my only good picks.
I liked the Ravens last night. I thought they presented
an offense that Buffalo hadn't seen yet. And I also
think we all tend to watch Monday night football and
fall in love with teams. It's just hard to win.
It's hard to win a standalone game on the road
at night when you're facing Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
But I will tell you about Lamar Jackson. For years
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and years, we were always like decent backs, Mark Andrews.
Decent back Mark Andrews. Now maybe the fourth offtion. They
have real weapons, Like they may be the fastest team
on the perimeter in the league. If Kansas City's defense
is the fastest, it made the fastest offense. Maybe Baltimore.
I don't know. I know we worried. J McK and
I talked about O line. Are they better than last year.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
But ely they might be. In fact, I was very
concerned about the O line. They lost three veteran starters
and Morgan Moses and Fallele and Zeitler, and it was like,
all right or not not Fiallele, I'm sorry. So they
lost Morgan Moses, they lost Zeitler, and then they lost
John Simpson to the Jets, and they bring in three
other guys to start and you're like, I don't know,
we'll see. And then that first week against the Chiefs,
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it was like, yep, their offensive line is issues, and
oh a thirty two year old defensive coordinator Zach Orr
is not Mike McDonald who's now the head coaches, and
it's already week four, and it's like they might be better.
They might be better on the offensive line. They're younger.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I mean last night there were huge holes, huge like
all we respect their defensive personal coaching.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And guess what for as good as Likely and Andrews
are catching the ball, they block their asses off. And
then you got pat riccardon there just polling guys. So
Henry was a very interesting signing around the league of
people raise their eyebrows, are yeah, Derek Henry thirty year
old Dereck Henry. Enjoy that. We've seen Emtt Smith and
a Cardinal's jersey. We've seen Marshawn Lynch in a Raiders jersey.
You've seen Adrian Peterson in a Saints jersey. Enjoy that.
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Derrick Henry looks looks fast, he looks stronger, he looks thinner,
he looks happier. He's got four hundred and eighty yards
through four games. It's the most I think anyone's had
through four games since Stephen Davis, who did it with
the Panthers in like three. And they are suddenly jelling
and it only took a couple of weeks to get
all these new guys involved. And yeah, a thirty two
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year old defensive coordinator, I've never seen Josh Allen have
fits like that. Last night.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So we had forty two yards passing in the first half.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That was it. They came in averaging thirty seven points
a game. So I know a lot of people are
out here this morning and they're saying, Okay, you know, Ravens,
that's the Super Bowl team of the best team of football.
I say, slow down, like, let's see. But that version
of the Ravens that we saw last night. No one's
beating them. But that version is not what's shown up
in January the past few years. And I'm a fully
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aware that the Ravens have a tendency of in big
games in the playoffs. Yeah, they turn into turtles and
they go into their shell and they run the ball
eight times like last year.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, you know it's funny though, and we do this
all the time. I mean, Dan Marino, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone.
Great players don't always win titles. And sometimes it's because,
like Phil Mickelson, if there's no Tiger Woods, he's got
seven more made out and it's and let me defend
lamar So in the last calendar year, they have crushed
the Bills, the Bengals, the Seahawks, the Texans twice, the
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forty nine Ers, the Lions. He is a great big
game player, those damn Chiefs. I mean, it kind of feels.
And I also did not like the game plan at
all in that AFC. I didn't get it. But I'll
tell you this, I don't know if there's a quarterback,
maybe maybe Mahomes, but I always feel like Andy Reid's
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part of their soul. Lamar's the soul. Like you can
just tell the way Harbaugh talks. It's like the city
loves him. It's just a really cool relationship.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
He's the man.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He is it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
He's the man. And if it wasn't Mahomes, he'd be
the face of the league in a million ways because
he's everything that's right about the league, or Gothic passion,
soft spoken, not look at me, look at me.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Gros This idea that he can't pass in the pocket.
Dude is a good pocket passer.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
He's a two time MVP. The guy's amazing. Yeah, we
need to see it when it matters in January.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
What one quick story? So listen, I love Donald, and
then Carolina and the Jets have ruined a lot of guys,
and then he goes to San Francisco and and you
know obviously Kevin O'Connell, Lafleur, McVeigh, Kyle, they all talk.
And it is interesting because I always thought Donald could
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be a bit reckless. He had a Carson Wentz DNA,
but I did think he was good guy, tough, athletic move. Well,
the stories you hear now is the San Francisco experience. YEP,
changed him. What do we know about that?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And sit back, learn from maybe the.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Kevin O'Connell call Kyle and just there.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Was a there was a rat race to get I mean,
this is the I always say this, There's no player
in football that has a bigger delta between what coaches
and NFL people think of him than what most in
the media. I know you've been a fan. Most of
the media think he's a scrub and a bus. Coaches
still believe in Sam Donald. And I will tell you
that Washington was very hot for Sam Donald. Adam Peters,
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who's the great GM of the Commanders, came from San Francisco,
knew what he had and then it was kind of
a bidding war, and he chose Minnesota, and thank god
he did because he has an opportunity to play and
he's getting to revitalize his career. So the league knows
he's he's younger than Joe Burrow. I think he's I
think he's the same age, if not a month older
than Lamar Jackson. Yeah, he and Lamar Yeah, And this
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is you're talking about a guy that is twenty six
years old and has the future ahead of him and
just needed the right support system in San Francisco. He
was able to press pause, take a foot off the pedal,
sit back, learn, have a second to just breathe, and
then he gets put in this amazing situation with an
offensive head coaching, Kevin O'Connell, who has just nurtured and
encouraged him. I'll tell you this. They drafted JJ McCarthy.
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But to a man, anyone I spoke to in Minnesota
was like, that's Sam Donald's team this year to start
and we'll see what happens. But it was never like
a quarterback competition in Minnesota. Donald one year, ten million
dollars real money. It's not like he signed for two
million dollars year real money. And they were committed to
giving him the first opportunity, the first crack at it,
and he's run away with it. He's been unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Srigger, you bring the best story. Let's go a lot
of pressure on you to J Max jmack tomorrow. Can
you give me a big story like that? Can you
want one big story? How about just won this week?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I thought I was giving out winners like Knby last week,
and now you're putting pressure on me stories.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I look for winners from you. I like from story. Okay, ma,
you do give winners. It's great see anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh that's awesome, thank you.
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A huge day of football on Fox at one Eastern,
the Browns take on rookie sensation.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Jaden Daniels and the Commanders.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Or at four, Kyler Murray and the Cardinals take on
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Speaker 1 (20:21):
Postball Attack well the Browns Commanders. I just want to
keep watching because I keep thinking this has to and
like there are two teams right now that we can't believe,
Washington and Minnesota. I buy it in Minnesota. I like Washington,
but the offensive numbers are ridiculous, Like you can't complete
eighty two.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It's not your throws.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, more they literally have what do they have more
scoring drives through four games than incomplete just something insane. Yeah,
that's intermural. That's not doesn't work that way. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the
herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Let's start with their opponent, Deshaun Watson and the Browns.
That offense was pretty ghastly against the Raiders. They took
a ten to nothing lead that went in the tank
and DeShawn Watson got a little bit upset with one
of his offensive linemen, backup tackle Dewan Jones kind of
got yelled at by Watson and then he goes to
the sideline and.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He got a little ugly.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I don't know if we have the video of that,
but Jamis Winston stepped in.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It was kind of a mess.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
However, Deshaun Watson said afterward that it was all a miscommunication.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
It was trying to be great, let's it, and just
well I just got to get on the same page.
So we get a SEQ and try to win and
be a spell. So we just got to seq. Hey,
you know, we all got to be on the same
page to make those big plays.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, that this thing's cut here it is here.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It is where he's yelling at Jones and he's like,
come on, man, that that's allowed. If you're the quarterback
and you're the franchise guy, you can do that.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Tom Brady yelled at his guys for years like this
is just.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
A thing that happens in football. The vets and the leaders,
they you know, bark out instructions to guys. I don't
want to overblow things, but I just look at Ma Cooper.
Can I ask my I think he leads the league
in drops. Did you see that right off his shoulder pads? Yeah, intercepted.
He catches an eighty two yard touchdown that comes back
as of a holding on the offensive line. I think
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they're down to four starters on the offensive line are
out injured. Down Like it just stinks for Stefanski. I
feel bad for the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
No, I think. I feel like this is a company
with good employees, but I just don't trust the franchise.
I just don't. I don't, you know, desperate franchises do
desperate things. They are locked into this for a long time.
Good luck and that that and that Deshaun Watson, I
understand you look at him with this roster when it's healthy.
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But there are one or two three quarterbacks in my life.
I'd give a fully guaranteed contract to you know, Brady
in his prime, mahomes Ma Marino in his prime. But
that was just that's a desperate business doing a desperate
business thing.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I was stick in the division and go to another quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
She's not a big pregame speech guy, but when the
Bengals were zero to three heading into Carolina, Cincinnati players
credited Burrow's pregame speech and leadership as one of the
reasons they were able to finally get their first win.
Here's Burrow on his pregame message.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Just feel like I had something to say. I'm not
going to go out of my way and be somebody
that I'm not. But when I have something to say,
I'll definitely step up and say it. There was really
no other option other than to figure out a way.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
To win this game.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So you know, we got it done. There's still a
lot of room to improve.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, they just don't have enough playmakers. Defensively, they have
one great rush hand. This is not going to end well.
You know, they've got their money on the right side,
but they moved off guys in the secondary, and you
can see it. I Meanck Mahomes has a great defense,
you know, you look around, like Josh Allen has a
trustworthy defense. Baltimore's defense always has dudes. Joe Burrow is
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working with one edge rusher. I mean, they just don't
have enough good players.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
T Higgins back looking good, but hell, and then the
kid Chase Brown who was stashed on my fantasy bench,
looked awesome yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Dynamic.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I couldn't tell if it was the Panthers or Brown.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
He's got some pop and some juice and him and
Zach Moss had a good game on the ground.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
The Bengals offense can hang with its seams.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
They will be they will be a spoiler. There's no
question they're gonna go beat like three teams from this
point forward. They're gonna be a pain in the butt.
And I think the Chargers, when healthy, will do the
exact same. But I just you know, I mean, you
look at the schedule, there's some definite wins there if
they ramp it up.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So let me ask you this. So Captain lou the
defensive coordinator, has looked bad the last two weeks. Carolina
moved the football, Will Washington moved the football? Those are
non divisional matchups. We saw what a matchup against the Chiefs,
who they know well. They played well defensively against the Chiefs.
Do you think the good defense shows up against the
Ravens this week familiarity or does Ravens just say, hey,
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we're gonna go Ham and score thirty five points on them.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, I like the idea of hosting the Ravens on
a short week, not a short week hosting the Ravens
off their biggest win of the year where they looked unbeatable.
So that's kind of an edge. Teams, even in Pro football,
teams don't give you that kind of performance except Washington
week after week. So my take is not that Baltimore
(25:24):
is vulnerable, but when you play flawless football, it's hard
to duplicate that. But if you start looking at the
schedule after the Ravens game, this is why it's hard
to just say totally dumb Cincinnati boy. There's a lot
of anemic offenses, Gian Giants, Cleveland, Philly right now.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Philly's gonna be healthy by den't though with their guys,
But I.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Mean Pittsburgh, Tennessee Denver. There's a lot of average offenses
where they can just drop twenty four and wins.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I know people don't want to hear it. I'm just
telling you AFC's wide open. This chief situation is a
real thing, and I know people, Oh, they got my
homes and read they're fine.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm not seeing it from the Chiefs, and the Bengals
are one of those teams. Keep an eye on final story, Colin,
Oh Boy, Jacksonville Jags. They can't get out of their
own way right now. They had a fourth quarter lead,
then to let the Texans come from behind to beat
him on a late C. J. Stroud touchdown pass, and
now Trevor Lawrence. He's lost nine straight games, Colin No.
Doug Peterson was asked about taking over play calling duties
(26:24):
from press Taylor Doc. Here's what Peterson said in response.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's coaches we can't make We can't go out there
and make the plays right. It's a two way street.
So you know, you guys can sit.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Here and point the finger all you want, and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Point right at me.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I can take it.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
If it's not working, it's not in rhythm, whether it's
your plays or not you hay'ze'll play collar.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, sure, okay, I'll take it into consideration. Oh boy, Yeah,
I think there's a lot of there's a lot of
blame to go around. But my takeaway on Jacksonville they
look too loose. They just look like a loose team.
They're just not buttoned up. The blame whoever you want.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I didn't I wasn't locked in on this game, but
I noticed Etn wasn't getting carries Tank Bigsby.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
They're like pivoting to him as the running back.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I don't know what's up with that, but just some
weird things going on in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't know that they can fix this column.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
It feels like season probably over at zero to four,
but that division is very suspect.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Again, a team that could be a spoiler.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They could eight and nine might win that division.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The Technic No Texans. They'll get Joe Mixon back. They
just listen. They needed a running game last year. They
go out and get Joe mix and they look great.
Mixing gets hurt. It's the same team.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Stroud's still a kid. You got to give the Caleb
Williams this weekend with a run game. Oh, you're like,
Cable's pretty good. I mean, Washington part of their success
is they're run games working. You can't bring a rookie
quarterback or a second year guy in with no run game.
You've got to have some support. Caleb finally looked like
pretty good, and so I just think CJ. Strouds still
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in that space for second and four and third and two.
It helps.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
So Bill Belichick's coaching this team by Thanksgiving, right Jacksonville, I.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Mean it's Jacksonville. The owner's rich, they got money.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's just well, make a splash, make people forget about
the Doug Peterson era. Bringing Bill Belichick. I think everybody
should be going after Belichick right now. The league seems
to be moving away from this offense passing to hey,
can you stop anybody?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Can you run the football like Belichick. I'm kind of
in on Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You know he's got a couple Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, I mean, Belichick and Jacksonville be good for us.
It's good content. Otherwise you don't talk Jacksonville, but I
would keep your eye. I mean, does the owner want
to be paying Urban Meyer and Doug Peterson and Belichick.
I could see Philadelphia is not paying Sirianni a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Do billionaires care about stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think they don't want to pay three coaches at
the same time. Not even billionaires. They got to be
billionaires for a reason. Wasn't overpaying on everything? Wasn't overpaying
on coaches. J Mack with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Good stuff today. Matt Hasselbeck stopped by Peter Scheger had
all sorts of stories. It's it's crazy that it has
been an incredible year for underdogs. Uh if I said
to you one of the three big headlines of the league,
the first big headline is, oh my god, Minnesota. I
mean that's the first big one. The Vikings looked like
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the best team in the league. I think the second
one is is Jadeen Daniels the greatest rookie quarterback in
the history of the league. It looks like it. What's
your third headline? And Philadelphia tire fire. I don't know
about the whohoa.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
A certain team that's won the Super Bowl twice in
a row is getting beset by injuries. Yet there's still
four to oh and their fans think, oh, we got this.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, but they're still good Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
You look, that was a good performance against the Chargers team.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
By the way, all this Travis Kelce's back.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Derwin James, who's the Travis Kelce topper, did not play.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah he never plays. These are all the time. I
like him, but he's hurt a lot, so is Bosa.
Both were out AFC's wide open Cowhart Why, I don't
think it's as wide open as you want.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Fox Sports NFL reporter Peter Schreger from best selling books
to podcasts. He's in LA from time to time for
doing that Sunday show, and he says, hey, I'll stop by.
Busy guy, young family crushing it all right? So I
said earlier, you and I both are fans of Cliff Kingsbury,
and you know this shrigs very well that some guys.
(00:48):
You know, Cliff is not a barker, but boy, when
it comes to play calling, play designing, quarterback development, it
kind of feels. I don't know how to explain what
I'm watching, but everything is working with the commanders. Not
a flup. This is what is.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They've punted one time since Week one. They've had twenty
three scoring drives this season. They've only had nineteen eight
complete passes. They have a rookie quarterback who's completing eighty
two percent of his pass attempts, and he's not throwing
like two passes a game. He's throwing thirty passes a game.
And I'll give you a little journey on Cliff. I've
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spent a lot of time with Cliff, especially the last
two years since he got fired by the Cardinals. And
remember the Cardinals are paying the bulk of his salary still,
so they pay him and every money, every dollar he
takes from Washington is offset from his Arizona contract. But
last year I'd fly out for Fox on Saturdays and
we would have the Fox kickoff show on Sundays. A
lot of times I would get dinner with Cliff on
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Saturday nights in Los Angeles because the USC would be
done and we'd link up whatever. And his situation at
USC was so unique in a disgusting NIL world and
with everyone transferring, and I was like Cliff's deal with
Lincoln Riley, who they know from Texas Tech days, was
you deal with the head coach, and you deal with
the recruiting duties, and you deal with the NIL duties.
(02:09):
All I want to do is work with Caleb Williams
and draw up plays and work with that offense and
get in the lab. That's Cliff's happy place. And he
didn't go into a single mother's living room and beg him,
don't go to Penn State. We're gonna pay you this
amount of money. You don't have to go with any
of that. He just focused on a playbook and built
this playbook, and Caleb was wonderful. You go into this offseason,
the sliding doors factor here is insane. So I think
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if I was to call it early on in the process,
Washington's number one guy was Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator.
Yes to be their head coach. Ben Johnson pulls his
name out, says, I'm going back to Detroit. God bless him.
He goes back to Detroit. They pivot, They go to
dan Quinn. Cliff Kingsbury interviewed with the Chicago Bears for
I think six hours out here in Marina.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Del Rey Yeap told about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yep, all right, interviewed for the offensive coordinator job. He's like,
I don't know ebra Flus, but I love Caleb and
we'll see what happens. The interview goes goes fairly well.
Cliff thinks he's got a shot they never hear us
back from him. They basically tell him we're moving in
another direction. They hire Eberflus interviews with Philly, He's like,
Jalen Hurts, I would love to use this new playbook
with Jalen Hurts. Awesome quarter didn't get offered the job Raiders.
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They agree to a job, but then they start talking
about the numbers of the contract in the years in
the contract that falls apart. That's three NFL teams that
had a chance to bring in Cliff with young quarterbacks
and all liked him. And then Dan Quinn the day
the Raiders thing falls apart, is like, dude, should we
roll this back? Should we do this? Should we make
this happen? And Cliff got in the lab and was like,
all right, let's look at these quarterbacks. Caleb's likely off
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the board. Remember the Bears didn't even meet with Jaden Daniels,
didn't even care to meet him. They said we're taking
him no matter what. And then Cliff started building an
offense that day built around Jayden Daniels's skill set before
even meeting him. So they've been building this offense. Jaden
gets in there and he comes in with fifty five
starts at the college level, Arizona State, then LSU. He
has seen it all. Do you know who his number
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one wide receiver was, his fresh when you're at Arizona State,
Brandan Ayuk, who's like a five year veteran, so he
has played for a long time. He came ready and
it's just a perfect match of new owner, new GM,
new head coach, new offensive coordinator, and then this amazing
gift that fell in their laps at number two. And
he's been outstanding. And it's the first time in my
professional career and I've been doing this since probably early
(04:20):
two thousands that there's genuine excitement around the Washington football
team Washington Commanders in this case, not the Redskins. And
it's not with a yeah, but it's like, no, this
is there. Everything is right. The crew that brought around him,
they didn't just go and hired and signed some diva
wide receiver, like we like McLaurin. We're gonna bring in
Bobby Wagner, maybe the best defensive leader. We're gonna bring
in Zach Ertz, maybe the best offensive leader in the league.
(04:43):
Oh and then we're also gonna have like Austin Eckler
and Marcus Mariota and Frankie Lou What if all these
guys have in common. They're great teammates and great dudes,
and then you drop in Jaden Daniels and it's all working.
So we're four weeks in, but I think there's not
enough that can be said about all the different paths
that took to get here, and it just has worked
out beautifully.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Great story, good storytelling there. I love that.
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Speaker 1 (05:14):
Kansas City is so strange, so all their games look
the exact same. They've won ten straight, nine close. I
said earlier they should teach crisis management. Somebody's always hurt,
somebody's traded their offensive line, They've rebuilt it twice. This
isn't what dynasties look like. They look like Kevin Durant
and Steph Yes. Alabama was saban. Every game's close. It's
(05:36):
getting to be New england Ish where you're like, I'm
not even sure they have as many good players as
the Chargers. I always felt that with New England. I'm
like Ravens have better players. What do we make you
were there yesterday? Now it's for Shee Rice. Cross your
fingers because he'd really become a dude. What do you
make of what you're watching?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, I would be shocked if for she Rice is
available this rest of the season. He's done. I think
that was real, you know, Andrey, I don't want to
play doctor on TV before their official results are in,
but that's an acl and he'll be out. So now
you lose Hollywood Brown, who they never even got a
chance to use, who's supposed to be their number one
wide receiver. He lose Rashi Rice, who's the number two.
You lose Isaiah Pacheco, who's their number one running back.
(06:15):
And you look at it and you say, okay, they
find a way. And like yesterday at the game, Kareem
Hunt wearing twenty nine, you know, because twenty seven is
now worn by Chamari Connor and it's Kareem Hunt who
hasn't played there for five years. But he comes back
and he's gobbling up yards. They find a way. Samaj
Pirron gets let go by the Broncos. The Chiefs bring
him on and they're like, all right, we'll make a way.
To work. The hidden secret with this Chiefs team A.
(06:40):
Their defense is outstanding and they're really really good. They
were sending you know, zero blitz the entire game and
giving Justin Herbert Hell yesterday. And the other secret is
they replenish in the draft. So it's like Lugarius Sneed
was a great Kansas City Chief signed for a ton
of money with the Titans. We have replacements ready because
they've been training him for two years. So Jalen Watson
and step up or Josh Williams or Chamory Connor. This
(07:03):
is a real test, though, Colin, I don't know if
they have the horses. Like losing all these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Now Worthy does give him an over the top pop.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yes he does, yes, but that is asking a lot
out of an over the pop, like now you're the
number one wide receiver. He's guy hasn't been and that's
the big ask. And then Kelsey looks like he's a
slept step slower. Whether or not that's going to cause
the ire of football fans everywhere. I think it's fair
to say he's not the same guy he was three
years ago. So then you start looking and Brett Veach
(07:31):
has never been scared to pick up the phone. He's
a general manager, and I think he's the best in
the game. And you know, a couple of years ago
they thought they needed an next or something. The Giants
traded Kadarius Tony sixty cents on the dollar. He plays
a big role in that Super Bowl went over. There
doesn't work out, it works. So some names that you'll
hear over the next couple of days, Yeah, let's go
(07:53):
through them. I think you look at Amari Cooper making
a lot of money in Cleveland, like, do you not
call up Andrew Berry and say what what would you
be willing to I look at DeAndre Hopkins in Tennessee.
I say that team's zero to three tonight. They're playing
money night football makes a ton of money. But is
there something we can work out contract wise? I said this,
and I got a lot of pushback. Doesn't come from
(08:14):
the Rams guys. But I would call on Cooper cup
I would see I would call every team. I would
call thirty one teams and I would say, all right,
your team is not going to the super Bowl this year.
You're playing this amount of money.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Rams could take picks.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
They want a quarterback in gosh, look, I love Cup,
and Stafford loves Cup, and I know McVeigh loves Cup,
so they're probably not going to trade Cup. But it
doesn't hurt to call and see, Okay, you're one in
three and Pooka's out for the next four weeks and
Cups cut. So what would it take to get this
future Hall of Famer? Because I would assume every team
picks up the phone and then you could say, no,
(08:48):
we're good.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You go down the list on a lot of these names,
and I think those Jaguars, veteran ro chievs like Christian Kirk,
like those.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Types like yep, pro total pro, all these guys can
help good the Chiefs. I'm not a big swing like
Devonte Adam.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I just don't think the Raiders would trade them in
the division.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, okay, fair, Yep, they know.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That's one of those like any other team, Yes, and
I think that's that's going that. But I think you
would want to look to guys who are outside the
division and they don't have much money, like they only
have like five million dollars in the salary cap. But
if we've learned anything about the NFL in recent years,
there's wiggle room. There's way to move money, and if
there's veteran players who are making at they can restructure
their contracts to make those deals happen. So curious to
(09:27):
see if Veitch just sits tight and says, hey, we've
gotten three rougher times before.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Though, or if they get aggressive. Let me let me
say this, Travis Kelsey's aging. I do think they're in
this tiny window where, like, you know, you'd say to yourself, well,
you've got two trophies. But you know what, like as
New England proved they couldn't win with Randy Moss, like
(09:53):
this drought, it's I mean, the Ravens are young and
going nowhere. San Francisco, Detroit know their windows are wid open.
So I could see Kansas City saying we got two
in a row. We've got moment. Andy Reid is now
high sixties.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Why not? And also Colin Since the invent of the
Super Bowl in nineteen sixty seven, no franchise that are
won three in a row. If ever, there was a
team that you'd say, Okay, you guys traded too much,
but you'd give them the benefit of the doubt. It's
the Chiefs chasing history. You're going three straight. So they're
looking to go. I call it the Chief's peed, but
it's the three peat. I just want pat Riley to
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assume me you're looking to win three in a row here.
So if they gave up multiple first round picks and
they mortgaged the future to bring in a star number
one wide receiver or to bring in a stud number
two wide receiver a Keenan Allen, I'm just sure that
the guys that are veterans that might not necessarily have
a long runway with their current teams. I don't think
any Chief stand would spite them, Like now is the
time we're going for history. We're trying to be the
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greatest team of all time. Yeah, okay, so for three
years from now, we don't have a backup left tackle. Okay,
let's go for it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah all right. So I thought this was a terrible
spot for the Broncos YEP, and a great spot for
the Jets. Star quarterback, old offensive line getting extra time
to prepare at home, Like this team is old lines,
a little older, got a few extra days. Here comes
rookie bow nicky and they're over under was five wins.
(11:17):
I think they're better than that, And I'm looking up
in thirteen penalties for the Jets. But I will say this,
the Broncos game plan was like seven in the box
beat US. You know Sean Payton very well. I think
he that flight back to Denver was one of the
best flights he's had.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's been so long since they've been back to Denver.
They won in Tampa, which was a huge win. And
what Sean did in that game, and I spoke to
him afterwards, was they won the coin toss. You never
see teams receive anymore. He said, let's receive, and let's
give bo Nicks the confidence in this Tampa game. First drive,
We're giving you the ball. Gole right down the field,
march down the field. Score They did. All right, you
finally have your first big scoring drive and they blew
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out the Buccaneers. Instead of flying back to Denver, they
stayed on the East Coast. They stayed at the Greenbrier,
which is this resor West Virginia. Well, they didn't realize
Hurricane Helen was coming, so they run their entire Friday
walk through in an indoor bubble that is not a
football field, is a hard court tennis court. So they're
running their offense on a tennis court with you know,
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fifty three guys in running sneakers doing their entire game plan.
So Sean is just, you know, like, okay, we're but
they were galvanized by this. They were all in this
together and now they go into this horrendous weather. Friday night,
I saw a concert at Madison Square Garden. I'm not kidding.
A new Peyton was coming in and he used to
work with us at Fox. Jelly Roll. I don't know
(12:41):
if you're fine, jelly Roll should be doing the halftime show.
That's my take. Anyway, they call up I call up Peyton.
I'm like, is there any chance I know it's the season,
and he was like, shregs, are you out of your mind?
He's like, I am knee deep in Jets footage and
Vance Joseph is trying to stop this thing. Like, in
my foolish head, I'm like, oh, maybe you can go
out and go see a concert on a Friday night.
That's not where his head was. Their head was let's
(13:02):
go take care of the Jets and let's figure out
a game plan. Yes, all the penalties, but Vance Joseph's
defense was outstanding. That was and they didn't ask Bon
Nicks to throw thirty five times in the rain. They
didn't ask bon Nicks to do anything he can. He
threw the touchdown past to Courtland, something that was enough.
Jelly Roll was amazing, and so was Post Malone, who
stepped up and did a song as well.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, yeah, finally, I uh one of my only good picks.
I liked the Ravens last night. I thought they presented
an offense that Buffalo hadn't seen yet. And I also
think we all tend to watch Monday night football and
fall in love with teams. It's just hard to win.
It's hard to win a standalone game on the road
at night when you're facing Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
But I will tell you about Lamar Jackson. For years
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and years, we were always like decent backs, Mark Andrews.
Decent back Mark Andrews. Now maybe the fourth offtion. They
have real weapons, Like they may be the fastest team
on the perimeter in the league. If Kansas City's defense
is the fastest, it made the fastest offense. Maybe Baltimore.
I don't know. I know we worried. J McK and
I talked about O line. Are they better than last year.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
But ely they might be. In fact, I was very
concerned about the O line. They lost three veteran starters
and Morgan Moses and Fallele and Zeitler, and it was like,
all right or not not Fiallele, I'm sorry. So they
lost Morgan Moses, they lost Zeitler, and then they lost
John Simpson to the Jets, and they bring in three
other guys to start and you're like, I don't know,
we'll see. And then that first week against the Chiefs,
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it was like, yep, their offensive line is issues, and
oh a thirty two year old defensive coordinator Zach Orr
is not Mike McDonald who's now the head coaches, and
it's already week four, and it's like they might be better.
They might be better on the offensive line. They're younger.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I mean last night there were huge holes, huge like
all we respect their defensive personal coaching.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And guess what for as good as Likely and Andrews
are catching the ball, they block their asses off. And
then you got pat riccardon there just polling guys. So
Henry was a very interesting signing around the league of
people raise their eyebrows, are yeah, Derek Henry thirty year
old Dereck Henry. Enjoy that. We've seen Emtt Smith and
a Cardinal's jersey. We've seen Marshawn Lynch in a Raiders jersey.
You've seen Adrian Peterson in a Saints jersey. Enjoy that.
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Derrick Henry looks looks fast, he looks stronger, he looks thinner,
he looks happier. He's got four hundred and eighty yards
through four games. It's the most I think anyone's had
through four games since Stephen Davis, who did it with
the Panthers in like three. And they are suddenly jelling
and it only took a couple of weeks to get
all these new guys involved. And yeah, a thirty two
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year old defensive coordinator, I've never seen Josh Allen have
fits like that. Last night.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So we had forty two yards passing in the first half.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That was it. They came in averaging thirty seven points
a game. So I know a lot of people are
out here this morning and they're saying, Okay, you know, Ravens,
that's the Super Bowl team of the best team of football.
I say, slow down, like, let's see. But that version
of the Ravens that we saw last night. No one's
beating them. But that version is not what's shown up
in January the past few years. And I'm a fully
(16:00):
aware that the Ravens have a tendency of in big
games in the playoffs. Yeah, they turn into turtles and
they go into their shell and they run the ball
eight times like last year.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, you know it's funny though, and we do this
all the time. I mean, Dan Marino, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone.
Great players don't always win titles. And sometimes it's because,
like Phil Mickelson, if there's no Tiger Woods, he's got
seven more made out and it's and let me defend
lamar So in the last calendar year, they have crushed
the Bills, the Bengals, the Seahawks, the Texans twice, the
(16:29):
forty nine Ers, the Lions. He is a great big
game player, those damn Chiefs. I mean, it kind of feels.
And I also did not like the game plan at
all in that AFC. I didn't get it. But I'll
tell you this, I don't know if there's a quarterback,
maybe maybe Mahomes, but I always feel like Andy Reid's
(16:51):
part of their soul. Lamar's the soul. Like you can
just tell the way Harbaugh talks. It's like the city
loves him. It's just a really cool relationship.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
He's the man.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He is it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
He's the man. And if it wasn't Mahomes, he'd be
the face of the league in a million ways because
he's everything that's right about the league, or Gothic passion,
soft spoken, not look at me, look at me.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Gros This idea that he can't pass in the pocket.
Dude is a good pocket passer.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
He's a two time MVP. The guy's amazing. Yeah, we
need to see it when it matters in January.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
What one quick story? So listen, I love Donald, and
then Carolina and the Jets have ruined a lot of guys,
and then he goes to San Francisco and and you
know obviously Kevin O'Connell, Lafleur, McVeigh, Kyle, they all talk.
And it is interesting because I always thought Donald could
(17:39):
be a bit reckless. He had a Carson Wentz DNA,
but I did think he was good guy, tough, athletic move. Well,
the stories you hear now is the San Francisco experience. YEP,
changed him. What do we know about that?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And sit back, learn from maybe the.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Kevin O'Connell call Kyle and just there.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Was a there was a rat race to get I mean,
this is the I always say this, There's no player
in football that has a bigger delta between what coaches
and NFL people think of him than what most in
the media. I know you've been a fan. Most of
the media think he's a scrub and a bus. Coaches
still believe in Sam Donald. And I will tell you
that Washington was very hot for Sam Donald. Adam Peters,
(18:22):
who's the great GM of the Commanders, came from San Francisco,
knew what he had and then it was kind of
a bidding war, and he chose Minnesota, and thank god
he did because he has an opportunity to play and
he's getting to revitalize his career. So the league knows
he's he's younger than Joe Burrow. I think he's I
think he's the same age, if not a month older
than Lamar Jackson. Yeah, he and Lamar Yeah, And this
(18:44):
is you're talking about a guy that is twenty six
years old and has the future ahead of him and
just needed the right support system in San Francisco. He
was able to press pause, take a foot off the pedal,
sit back, learn, have a second to just breathe, and
then he gets put in this amazing situation with an
offensive head coaching, Kevin O'Connell, who has just nurtured and
encouraged him. I'll tell you this. They drafted JJ McCarthy.
(19:06):
But to a man, anyone I spoke to in Minnesota
was like, that's Sam Donald's team this year to start
and we'll see what happens. But it was never like
a quarterback competition in Minnesota. Donald one year, ten million
dollars real money. It's not like he signed for two
million dollars year real money. And they were committed to
giving him the first opportunity, the first crack at it,
and he's run away with it. He's been unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Srigger, you bring the best story. Let's go a lot
of pressure on you to J Max jmack tomorrow. Can
you give me a big story like that? Can you
want one big story? How about just won this week?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I thought I was giving out winners like Knby last week,
and now you're putting pressure on me stories.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I look for winners from you. I like from story. Okay, ma,
you do give winners. It's great see anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh that's awesome, thank you.
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Speaker 1 (20:21):
Postball Attack well the Browns Commanders. I just want to
keep watching because I keep thinking this has to and
like there are two teams right now that we can't believe,
Washington and Minnesota. I buy it in Minnesota. I like Washington,
but the offensive numbers are ridiculous, Like you can't complete
eighty two.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It's not your throws.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, more they literally have what do they have more
scoring drives through four games than incomplete just something insane. Yeah,
that's intermural. That's not doesn't work that way. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the
herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Let's start with their opponent, Deshaun Watson and the Browns.
That offense was pretty ghastly against the Raiders. They took
a ten to nothing lead that went in the tank
and DeShawn Watson got a little bit upset with one
of his offensive linemen, backup tackle Dewan Jones kind of
got yelled at by Watson and then he goes to
the sideline and.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He got a little ugly.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I don't know if we have the video of that,
but Jamis Winston stepped in.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It was kind of a mess.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
However, Deshaun Watson said afterward that it was all a miscommunication.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
It was trying to be great, let's it, and just
well I just got to get on the same page.
So we get a SEQ and try to win and
be a spell. So we just got to seq. Hey,
you know, we all got to be on the same
page to make those big plays.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, that this thing's cut here it is here.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It is where he's yelling at Jones and he's like,
come on, man, that that's allowed. If you're the quarterback
and you're the franchise guy, you can do that.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Tom Brady yelled at his guys for years like this
is just.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
A thing that happens in football. The vets and the leaders,
they you know, bark out instructions to guys. I don't
want to overblow things, but I just look at Ma Cooper.
Can I ask my I think he leads the league
in drops. Did you see that right off his shoulder pads? Yeah, intercepted.
He catches an eighty two yard touchdown that comes back
as of a holding on the offensive line. I think
(22:17):
they're down to four starters on the offensive line are
out injured. Down Like it just stinks for Stefanski. I
feel bad for the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
No, I think. I feel like this is a company
with good employees, but I just don't trust the franchise.
I just don't. I don't, you know, desperate franchises do
desperate things. They are locked into this for a long time.
Good luck and that that and that Deshaun Watson, I
understand you look at him with this roster when it's healthy.
(22:47):
But there are one or two three quarterbacks in my life.
I'd give a fully guaranteed contract to you know, Brady
in his prime, mahomes Ma Marino in his prime. But
that was just that's a desperate business doing a desperate
business thing.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I was stick in the division and go to another quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
She's not a big pregame speech guy, but when the
Bengals were zero to three heading into Carolina, Cincinnati players
credited Burrow's pregame speech and leadership as one of the
reasons they were able to finally get their first win.
Here's Burrow on his pregame message.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Just feel like I had something to say. I'm not
going to go out of my way and be somebody
that I'm not. But when I have something to say,
I'll definitely step up and say it. There was really
no other option other than to figure out a way.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
To win this game.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So you know, we got it done. There's still a
lot of room to improve.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, they just don't have enough playmakers. Defensively, they have
one great rush hand. This is not going to end well.
You know, they've got their money on the right side,
but they moved off guys in the secondary, and you
can see it. I Meanck Mahomes has a great defense,
you know, you look around, like Josh Allen has a
trustworthy defense. Baltimore's defense always has dudes. Joe Burrow is
(24:01):
working with one edge rusher. I mean, they just don't
have enough good players.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
T Higgins back looking good, but hell, and then the
kid Chase Brown who was stashed on my fantasy bench,
looked awesome yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Dynamic.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I couldn't tell if it was the Panthers or Brown.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
He's got some pop and some juice and him and
Zach Moss had a good game on the ground.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
The Bengals offense can hang with its seams.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
They will be they will be a spoiler. There's no
question they're gonna go beat like three teams from this
point forward. They're gonna be a pain in the butt.
And I think the Chargers, when healthy, will do the
exact same. But I just you know, I mean, you
look at the schedule, there's some definite wins there if
they ramp it up.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So let me ask you this. So Captain lou the
defensive coordinator, has looked bad the last two weeks. Carolina
moved the football, Will Washington moved the football? Those are
non divisional matchups. We saw what a matchup against the Chiefs,
who they know well. They played well defensively against the Chiefs.
Do you think the good defense shows up against the
Ravens this week familiarity or does Ravens just say, hey,
(25:01):
we're gonna go Ham and score thirty five points on them.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, I like the idea of hosting the Ravens on
a short week, not a short week hosting the Ravens
off their biggest win of the year where they looked unbeatable.
So that's kind of an edge. Teams, even in Pro football,
teams don't give you that kind of performance except Washington
week after week. So my take is not that Baltimore
(25:24):
is vulnerable, but when you play flawless football, it's hard
to duplicate that. But if you start looking at the
schedule after the Ravens game, this is why it's hard
to just say totally dumb Cincinnati boy. There's a lot
of anemic offenses, Gian Giants, Cleveland, Philly right now.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Philly's gonna be healthy by den't though with their guys,
But I.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Mean Pittsburgh, Tennessee Denver. There's a lot of average offenses
where they can just drop twenty four and wins.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I know people don't want to hear it. I'm just
telling you AFC's wide open. This chief situation is a
real thing, and I know people, Oh, they got my
homes and read they're fine.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm not seeing it from the Chiefs, and the Bengals
are one of those teams. Keep an eye on final story, Colin,
Oh Boy, Jacksonville Jags. They can't get out of their
own way right now. They had a fourth quarter lead,
then to let the Texans come from behind to beat
him on a late C. J. Stroud touchdown pass, and
now Trevor Lawrence. He's lost nine straight games, Colin No.
Doug Peterson was asked about taking over play calling duties
(26:24):
from press Taylor Doc. Here's what Peterson said in response.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's coaches we can't make We can't go out there
and make the plays right. It's a two way street.
So you know, you guys can sit.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Here and point the finger all you want, and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Point right at me.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I can take it.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
If it's not working, it's not in rhythm, whether it's
your plays or not you hay'ze'll play collar.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, sure, okay, I'll take it into consideration. Oh boy, Yeah,
I think there's a lot of there's a lot of
blame to go around. But my takeaway on Jacksonville they
look too loose. They just look like a loose team.
They're just not buttoned up. The blame whoever you want.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I didn't I wasn't locked in on this game, but
I noticed Etn wasn't getting carries Tank Bigsby.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
They're like pivoting to him as the running back.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I don't know what's up with that, but just some
weird things going on in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't know that they can fix this column.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
It feels like season probably over at zero to four,
but that division is very suspect.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Again, a team that could be a spoiler.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They could eight and nine might win that division.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The Technic No Texans. They'll get Joe Mixon back. They
just listen. They needed a running game last year. They
go out and get Joe mix and they look great.
Mixing gets hurt. It's the same team.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Stroud's still a kid. You got to give the Caleb
Williams this weekend with a run game. Oh, you're like,
Cable's pretty good. I mean, Washington part of their success
is they're run games working. You can't bring a rookie
quarterback or a second year guy in with no run game.
You've got to have some support. Caleb finally looked like
pretty good, and so I just think CJ. Strouds still
(28:04):
in that space for second and four and third and two.
It helps.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
So Bill Belichick's coaching this team by Thanksgiving, right Jacksonville, I.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Mean it's Jacksonville. The owner's rich, they got money.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's just well, make a splash, make people forget about
the Doug Peterson era. Bringing Bill Belichick. I think everybody
should be going after Belichick right now. The league seems
to be moving away from this offense passing to hey,
can you stop anybody?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Can you run the football like Belichick. I'm kind of
in on Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You know he's got a couple Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, I mean, Belichick and Jacksonville be good for us.
It's good content. Otherwise you don't talk Jacksonville, but I
would keep your eye. I mean, does the owner want
to be paying Urban Meyer and Doug Peterson and Belichick.
I could see Philadelphia is not paying Sirianni a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Do billionaires care about stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think they don't want to pay three coaches at
the same time. Not even billionaires. They got to be
billionaires for a reason. Wasn't overpaying on everything? Wasn't overpaying
on coaches. J Mack with the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
The herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Good stuff today. Matt Hasselbeck stopped by Peter Scheger had
all sorts of stories. It's it's crazy that it has
been an incredible year for underdogs. Uh if I said
to you one of the three big headlines of the league,
the first big headline is, oh my god, Minnesota. I
mean that's the first big one. The Vikings looked like
(29:33):
the best team in the league. I think the second
one is is Jadeen Daniels the greatest rookie quarterback in
the history of the league. It looks like it. What's
your third headline? And Philadelphia tire fire. I don't know
about the whohoa.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
A certain team that's won the Super Bowl twice in
a row is getting beset by injuries. Yet there's still
four to oh and their fans think, oh, we got this.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, but they're still good Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
You look, that was a good performance against the Chargers team.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
By the way, all this Travis Kelce's back.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Derwin James, who's the Travis Kelce topper, did not play.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah he never plays. These are all the time. I
like him, but he's hurt a lot, so is Bosa.
Both were out AFC's wide open Cowhart Why, I don't
think it's as wide open as you want.
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