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Speaker 1 (01:05):
Sports a lot, all right, So I guess I mean,
don't hold me to it, but I think this is
the final herd hierarchy for some time. We'll do them later,
after free agency, after the coaching hires, after the draft.
But I think this is going to be our last
one for a while. And here we go on a Tuesday,
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heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according
to college. Yes, we're gonna start with eight. We've only
got eight that are worthy of it. The Houston Texans.
They out gained the Chiefs by one hundred and twenty
four yards and had seven more minutes a time of possession.
But they're still a young team. They were god awful
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on special teams. They've lost five straight to the Chiefs.
Welcome to everybody's world in the AFC, and they weren't
very good against playoff teams two and six. I feel
like they're a little bit like the Green Bay Packers
or the Chargers. They just need another draft another six players.
Should be very proud considering where this franchise was three
years ago. They're in a really really cool spot going forward.
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Texans at eight, number seven, the Rams. That defense, they're
not even paying anybody yet. Watch out. They had sixteen
sacks in two playoff games. First team to have ten
plus players with a sack and Jared Verse looks like
it could be a they have found. They're Lawrence Taylor.
Maybe not Lawrence Taylor, but they're Lawrence Taylor. I don't
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know what they're gonna do with Cooper Cup long term
Matt Stafford, but you know what since joining the NFL,
McVay is nineteen and four in December, he does about
as good a job as anybody not named Andy Reid
figuring out the jigsaw puzzle of teams. Rams at seven,
number six the Lions. In the end, they just weren't
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good enough defensively, and I think losing their coordinators when
Dan Campbell's not a scheme guy. Could look like Philadelphia
a couple years ago. They did lead the NFL in
point differential and their all line in run game is
just stuff with the record books. They're gonna be good?
Are they gonna be great? Because that's what Buffalo's becoming
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in Kansas City has been and what Philadelphia could be.
So I have Detroit at number six, number five, the Ravens.
The Ravens are the Bills two three years ago, where
they'll out gain you, out wawya and turn the ball over.
I mean, listen, to this oher and twelve all time
in the playoffs when they lose the turnover battle and
they keep losing. They didn't have a punt and average
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seven and a half yards against the Bills and lost.
This is what Buffalo did years ago until Buffalo figured
out efficiency over flamboyant and fireworks. They do have the
number one scoring defense. I love their coach. I love
Lamar Jackson Ravens at five number four. I think the
Commanders are for real because I think Jaden Daniels even
better than Andrew Luck is absolutely special. Led the NFL
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in touchdown passes with an average O line and one
star receiver this year, more than Mahomes or Josh Allen
or Stafford. That's insane. Highest passer rating by any quarterback.
Remember last year when I picked them to make the
playoffs and everybody said, well, there's too much change, and
I said, yeah, they're getting rid of bad people putting
in good people. I don't care about change. If you're
improving everywhere to everywhere, you make change this team. This
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is the worst roster Jayden Daniels is ever going to have.
They get the most cap space along with New England.
I think if they're up top of the league next year,
near the top, so I think they're a real team.
I think they can beat Philadelphia number three, the Eagles. Listen.
They've won back to back playoff games throwing for under
one hundred and twenty five yards. Their passing offense was
thirty first in the league. There's so much I like
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about Jalen Hurts. I don't love him throwing from the pocket,
but I love the receivers, the old line. They're just
a very special team. They do things. They do things
that bad teams do. They move off coaches, they're you know,
like sometimes they're active for the sake. It feels like
of being active. But I mean, they almost had as
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many rushing yards as the Rams had passing yards. I
think it's the best roster in the NFL. I think
it has been for the last couple of years. Philadelphia
at three, number two, Kansas City. I mean, and again
I say this with the best coach and the best
quarterback on the planet, there's not much to say, but
they've They've won an NFL record sixteen straight games, including
the playoffs, with one score games. Because efficiency does have
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at some point limitations, like eventually the you know, the
Patriots didn't get knocked off and lost super Bowls a
couple of times. The one team, the New York Giants,
they were out first. Listen to this first team in
NFL history to be out gained by one hundred yards,
create no turnovers, and win a playoff game. So, I mean,
part of me is like in all of what they do,
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and then part of me is like, I think that
works against everybody, not name the Buffalo Bills. Number one.
I think they're gonna win the Super Bowl. I think
it's the best version they're with the race. Evens need
to be efficient. They do not give up sacks, they
don't get penalized, they don't turn it over. They can
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beat you with Davis or Cook their running back. They've
got two tight ends, They've got three wide receivers. I
think their old lines the most underrated in the league.
Maybe not Filly or Detroit, but really, really good. I
think this is the year now. I don't necessarily think
it's going to be the year and then another year
and then another year. I don't know if that's it,
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but this is really They're the Chiefs without the trophies,
front office ownership, quarterback, and I thought Sean McDermott, for
all the criticism, we have to be fair in this business.
I thought he had a great weekend from the first
series on. I thought Sean McDermott had an Andy Reid
like game plan. They changed in the game, saw that
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Baltimore was a little squirrely, didn't have Za Flowers. We
don't have to take big swings. Let's just be smart
convert key plays, and they're my top eight. I've said before,
whoever wins the AFC is winning the Super Bowl. In
my opinion, that's how it's gonna work. And with that,
Nick Wright joins us, you know you've grew up in
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Kansas City and lived in Houston. It's funny about perception,
like Houston should be overjoyed. I know they're disappointed, but
where they were three years ago, they should be overjoyed.
And yet I think Detroit wakes up this morning and goes,
what are we? I The Lions worry me, Nick, because
like the Eagles, if they lose those two coordinators every year,
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a great team regresses. I look at the Lions and
wonder Dan Campbell's culture thing may have a ceiling here.
Anything that worries you on that list.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Oh well, I mean worries me on the list.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I mean, you have the two time defending champion, one
seed that's undefeated is in the playoffs against the Bills.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Behind the Bills. But we can address that in home.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And as far as it concerns me about the Lions, yeah,
I listen. I don't want to panic, but I also
don't want to underreact. I think it would probably be
a good bet to say, in five years, are we
going to look back and say, oh damn, their best
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chance was in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four,
Right in twenty twenty three when they have a two
score lead in the NFC Championship game, and then in
twenty twenty four when they're playing a rookie at home
in their building and look the defense. There's nothing you
can do about the defensive injuries. That's bad luck, and
that's the cruelty of the NFL. You can maybe ask
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your coordinator, who's now the head coach of the Bears.
You know, the player who in his brief NFL career
has been suspended twice, and about an hour ago, and
let's call it a colorful, erotic celebration.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
In the end zone.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Let's not trust his judgment to throw the biggest pass
of our season, and maybe maybe let's put the ball
in some more trustworthy hands. The problem is the trustworthy
hands are Jared Goff's tiny hands, and he had a
brutal game, and you wonder how much that's gonna haunt
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him moving forward. I do think the Lions are excellent
and the injuries is mostly what killed him. But the
reality in this league is very simple. If you don't
have a superhero at quarterback, everything's got to go perfect.
You can win, but everything's got to go perfect. The
Lions have a great civilian at quarterback, not a superhero,
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and when things get a little askew and he needs
to carry you. He had his worst game in the
worst moment. So I'm not like selling my life iron stock.
But I wouldn't buy any more of it either.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I defended again. I know I'm a Lamar apologist,
but on the interception Bateman, Bateman stopped running, Mark Andrews
dropped a two point conversion, Mark Andrews fumbled, and on
the snap Lamar fumbled. He had to be superman to
save it. I'm not saying he was great, but I'm
saying he continues to go into these playoff games. They
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have no number one receivers. Eight flowers didn't fly Mark
and they.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Were the faver they I listen to you all year
talk about how complete.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The team is.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
This is that I Am not going to allow this
to happen everywhere because all year long, it's the same
song and dance.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Two years in a row. The Ravens are the best team.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Dvoa says, they're one of the ten best teams ever.
Forget the fact that they lost five times. No, no, no,
They're coming together at.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
The right time.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Also have to hear this. Look at the numbers. Lamar's
the MVP.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Look at how four picks all year and if you'll
watch the tape on him, none of them were his fault.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
They were all good passes. That's the narrative going into
the playoffs. Then the playoff loss happens and it's like, man,
that roster wasn't that good, and why didn't they let
Derrick Henry run the ball that much? Why did they
put the ball in the hands of the league MVP.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
That we can't do it. I'm not going to kill
Lamar of h.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
He was very good in the second half and almost
pulled it out of the fire. Now the Mark Andrews
drop Colin if we are being fair, because we're all
gamblers here, if he had caught that two point conversion,
the Bills would have been live betting still like minus
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four hundred to win the game.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Do the math on it, because it would have been
Bill's ball.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Tie game minute third three left the Ravens would have
had with two timeouts, the Ravens would have had to
get the stop and then also winning overtime. So even
with the Mark Andrews, if he catches it, the Ravens
are big dogs.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And they're big dogs because.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
A player who did not have a single multi turnover
game all year turn the ball over twice in the
first half. We can blame Rashad Bateman for a pass
you know who doesn't Lamar Jackson, who said it flatly,
I didn't look the safety off.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Over through the ball. You might be right. The snap
was bad.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
He had recovered from that and then set the ball
on the ground. We are now eight career playoff games,
four times he has multiple turnovers. That's half ninety four
career regular season games fourteen times he has multiple turnovers.
That's fifteen percent in Colin it is. You were right
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on the Peyton Manning comparison, which is why I do
think eventually Lamar will win a super Bowl. What I
don't think is right is that when when we were
in the midst of this with Peyton Manning, everyone was
killing him.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Everyone's like, how can you be the best.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Player in the league in the regular season and then
consistently not good in the playoffs. And with Lamar Jackson,
everyone's like, man, he tried so hard and he wants
it so bad. It's patronizing to the player, and so no,
I don't I don't buy this. And the number of
people who yelled at me all year he's the league MVP,
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and then got on TV Monday and they're like, why
they give Lamar the ball so much? Derrick Henry's right there, Well,
then maybe he's the league MVP. I don't know, but
we'll do it again next year. Lamar can win all
the MVPs, get all the first team All Pros, and
then everyone can in the playoffs be like who could
have seen that coming?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I just don't buy It's a great player struggles in
the biggest moments.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Let's talk Jayden Daniels. I think Washington can win. Ye
Andrew Luck is the best. I remember Elway. I'm a
old enough to remember Elway's rookie year kind of. He
played about three quarters of the games. He had like
double the picks as he did touchdowns. And he's an
ald timer, could have played baseball or football. And then
I watched Andrew Luck, who threw a lot of picks,
but boy he was good with a bad team. Well,
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I would argue the Commander's team is closer to Andrew
Lucks than it is any of these playoff teams that
he's playing against. He was the best fourth quarter quarterback.
I think we're seeing one of the great quarterbacks. I
don't think it took long. In fact, there were practices
with Patrick Mahomes his rookie year. There were practices that
video got out and people were like, you know, I
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gonna believe it. There was discussions about Lamar as a rookie.
Ye'ar like, yeah, we can't tackle him in practice. Herbert's
first game, Joe Burrow with a horrible offensive line year one.
I don't think it's a fluke. I think Jaden Daniels.
I think we're looking at like seventy percent Mahomes twenty
five percent Lamar. I think it's different. His decision making
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makes no sense. I mean, dan Quinn's a good coach,
He's not Andy Reid. Cliff Kingsbury is a good coordinator,
was he McVeigh. You see, I'm crazy. I think the
best quarterbacks in the leagueer I don't think you're Mahomes,
Alan Burrow, I'd put Lamar for I'm not so sure.
Jayden Daniels isn't five, and I don't think I'm overreaching.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So I don't. So here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I don't think you're overreaching either. The only pump the
breaks piece of this is there was a little bit
of this with cj after the playoffs last year. There
was even a little bit of this with Jordan Love
after the playoffs last year. I think they both regressed
a bit this year. Jaden, though, has had a better
season and playoff run than either of those players.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's the greatest rookie season ever.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I've been skeptical of Jaden's ability to stay healthy because
of his frame and his play style same, but that's.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
A different discussion.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
That is a totally different discussion than how good he
is right now. I, by the way, I totally despite
everything I said about Lamar, he's consensus, no doubt a
top five quarterback. In fact, there are four consensus no
doubt top five quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You listed them Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar at number five.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Though there's about six guys who people could make an
argument for. There's an argument for Justin Herbert if we
pretend the playoffs don't exist. There's an argument for my
guy Baker Mayfield. There's an argument for Matt Stafford, who
is who I would have had there. Some people would
say Dak when he's healthy. Some people had been arguing
brock Purty until this year happened.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's and I'm you know, Jordan Love C. J. Stroud.
There's a seven guys you could argue. Go there.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I totally agree with you, Colin. He now has as
strong of an argument as anybody like. I don't know
definitively who the fifth best quarterback in the league is,
but I do know that if somebody says it's Jade Daniels,
the really only argument against it is he hasn't done
enough yet. But what he's been allowed to do, which
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is only play this one year. He continues to exceed expectations. No,
so I don't think you're like who I think. I
would say Stafford is fifth. Yeah, but Stafford's also turning
thirty seven, and you know, maybe the best footballs behind him.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I don't know it's open for him, that's for darn sure.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah. I mean we said that about c J. Stroud,
but c J. Stroud wasn't hyper mobile. He was a
pure pocket guy. His comp was goff this kid, give
you And we all said this coming in. I watched
a ton of his college. There was a lot of
Lamar here, but not Lamar, so he got seduced by running.
He's still a pocket guy, so he's better than Lamar
as a rookie from the pocket. And I'll be honest
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with you, he's more athletic than Mahomes. Running may not
be him the thrower, but I don't know. I see
a lot of Lamar. I see a lot of Mahomes. Finally, though,
so we both love Chica and our friend Andy Parkins,
and I had said quarterbacks and coordinators it kind of
depends where you land. And the Bears are a gravel
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road with politics and potholes everywhere, and he just came
from Detroit and Dan Campbell helped make that with the
O line and running game, a paved road. I don't
know if it's gonna be Lafleur or Adam Gase. What
is your guest with Ben Johnson and the Bears. What's
it closer to?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Well, listen, I think it's the best hire they could
have made. I support it one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I am. You have talked about this extensively. I agree
with you. If you have an established.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Veteran quarterback and you need a head coach, then maybe
adding a culture guy like a Vrabel or a Harball,
who I know is an offensive mind, but he's more about,
you know, culture. When you have Herbert already there, fine.
If you have a young quarterback that you're hoping will
be a superstar, the best case scenario is pairing him
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with an offensive minded head coach so you don't have
to go on the rolling wheel of oh we lost
our offensive coordinator. Like everything we just said about Jayden,
I don't think it's gonna happen. But what happens if
Cliff Kingsbury does such a good job he gets a
head coaching job, and now Jaden's with a new offensive coordinator.
That's potentially problematic. You worry about that a little bit
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with CJ and Houston as well with a defensive minded
head coach. So I agree with the hire, but I'm
really glad you premised it were prefaced it with laflor Gase,
meaning there are a lot more examples of the young
offensive first time head coach whiz kid not working.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Oh yeah, then there are. Oh it's a home run.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
The home runs are a recent post. McVeigh are The
only real home runs are McVeigh and Kevin O'Connell, and listen,
I love Kevin O'Connell, but he's yet to win a
playoff game, even though you know they've been at.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Home in both of them.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And Lafloor, nobody probably has benefitted from the playoffs expanding
the seven seeds more from six, more than Lafloor because
last three years we're missed the playoff seven seed, seven seed.
And again, I think those are great head coaches. Those
are the successes. The failures are you know, a dozen names,
and so anyone acting like this is a sure thing,
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I think is foolish but it's a bet, and I
think it's a smart bet. And one thing you've been
I think correct on is the Bears attachment to the
eighty five Bears and that we want to be defense
and we want you know, it's forty years ago. This
to me signals they're okay, maybe moving past that, you
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know what I mean. We're going offense, we're going young,
we're going smart, and now there is huge expectation Colin
on Caleb, Like there is part of me whenever I
watched Jayden Daniels, I get a little, you know, choked
up because I'm like, this is the life that I
saw Caleb living, taking the world by storm. And by
the way, a sidebar, how much credit do I get
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for the take that it's going to be in the
Super Bowl Chiefs against a rookie quarterback from the NFC.
I mean, I'm like ninety five percent right now. I
said it was going to be against Caleb, But I
mean I just got one door down from the.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Greatest take of the year. If it's chief Chiefs against
Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I said, the number one big is number two pick,
basically the best prediction of the season.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
But that's the year. I thought Caleb could have this year,
the one Jayden's having.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
So the expectations are now ratcheted because I'm from his
own drive.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Class crossed it and they got the right head coach.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, so I gotta get We got about two minutes
lefter I got ash you. I defended the officiating with
Kansas City. First of all, it's not challengeable. They tried
it with PI, it didn't work. It's not challengeable. Second,
Dwayne Wade, James Harden, a lot of the great players, mahomes,
they sell it. That's called manipulation. It's called leverage. I'm
not gonna The other thing is when the will Anderson
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hit came, my take is I looked at it and
I went, well, that's head honting, So thank you. That's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I know we don't have a lot of time the
will Anderson hit.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Everyone. That's being honest.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
You can hate this, but on the TV copy in
real time, it's like, oh, yeah, he cracked him in
the head. And then they show the first reap watch
my homes here, and you're saying, you watch that on
TV and you weren't like, oh, that's high and then
you see that, which is what the reps are, You're like, oh,
that's high. Then you see this and you're like, oh
that's high. It's only this angle and I don't even
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know if they're gonna show it the side one where
you're like, oh no, it was more glancing blow.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That's right, And so that is you can hate that call.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
That call gets made for every quarterback, certainly every Pro Bowl,
much less star quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Go ahead. We went to the rule book yesterday.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
The that's the right call.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
The rule says to officials went in doubt, call it
like in baseball.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It and by the way, and listen, I love Buck and.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Aikman, I love them, but they're what they missed on
this was that one was reviewed by New York and
New York didn't overturn it because there was some albeit
marginal contact from the helmet to mahomes face mask.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
So that call.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
If you hate that call, then you hate the rule.
The other one was a bad call. I'm not denying
it was a bad call, and Mahomes baited them into it.
And we can, if we want to penalize quarterbacks, take
their protections away when they bade them into it. That's fine,
but let me just finish real quick and then go.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I don't like the side they don't. I don't like
the sideline stuff with mahomes dog either. He's got to
get out of that. The league's got to change that.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
So two points, because you're.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
So first of all, this one here, this is why
everyone's lost their mind. They're totally right. He was trying
to bait him and he flopped.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
No penalty was called. Everyone's like, oh my god, there's
no penalty.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Everyone's mad at an idea that it could have happened,
the bad call that we didn't show. When he's running
around then slides late. I think it's dangerous. I don't
like it. I think it's taking advantage of the rules.
I get all that. Also, if they don't call this penalty,
well look it's first and ten Colin he runs five yards.
Oh my god, the Chiefs would have been backed all
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the way up till second and five.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Shut up every.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
You know why the Texans lost because they scored one
touchdown in a playoff game at Arrowhead and they had
one of the worst specialty in performances in modern NFL history.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That's why they lost.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Because their vaunted defensive line got three sacks while the
Chiefs defensive.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Line got eight.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
All the whining and will Anderson saying, oh, yeah, we
knew going into the game was gonna be up against
the reps. Then don't have the first time you hit
the quarterback, you hit in the neck, and.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
If you know it's going to be you against.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
The refs, maybe aim for the chest so everyone can
keep their complaining.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
There was one awful call in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Playoffs, game changing call, the DPI against Baltimore at the
end of the first half.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah, nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Because nobody actually cares about that officiating. They only care
about trying to find a reason that the league. By
the way, and I'm sorry, I'm late, but you put
me on this.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
This idea that it's rigged.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Guys, you do understand the league is the thirty two owners,
So the thirty one other owners are like, damn, I guess.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
We're rigging it for Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Again, you don't think McNair and Houston is like, hey, guys,
I don't want to rig it for the Chiefs, and
they're like, shut up, doesn't matter. You know, it's so ridiculous.
I thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Oh okay, yeah, you know your had we had to.
We needed an exclamation point with your rants today and
that was it. Buddy good seeing Yeah, yeah, see all right, Nick? Right,
first things first, it is funny. Uh. The first one
looked like it and the sideline stuff they got to
get rid of. But there was no penalty like so
everybody's furious there was no flag on the play. Uh.
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And I got I always think this when people think, ah,
the sports rigged. Wouldn't your rig it for New York,
LA and Chicago teams? Wouldn't your rig it for the
Cowboys or the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
No, you'd rig it for the team that has Taylor
Swift and Caitlin Clark in the box.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's who you'd rig it for. Nobody thinks it's rigged,
but this.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
No, I think there's a bunch of No, there's a
bunch of yahoos on the internet who believed the Earth
is flat too, So what I mean, what do you want?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
However, let's be real.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
I gave you the numbers yesterday and I know it
triggered a lot of Chiefs fans. In the last ten
Chiefs playoff games, nine of them, the opponent has had
more penalties and more penalty yards.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I know.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Let me guess it's just discipline and coaching in every
single game.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Came out for years. During the Patriots run for a decade,
they never fumbled. That's just luck. No luck is winning
the power ball. If you want it ten years in
a row, you got a scheme, you got it. The
Patriots forever never fumbled. Why because they were so glass
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edelman because they determined that turnovers were winning and losing games,
and so like, I do think there are teams that
do better with ball security. Buffalo in the last two
years has literally changed as a franchise. Their ball security
issues are all gone.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
I understand your defense of this, but you do realize
that ninety nine percent of America is rooting against the
Chiefs because they're watching the same games we are and
seeing that Kansas City gets seemingly every flag in.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Every high leverage spot.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Go to the Bengals game this season, Colin, you know,
I mean fourth and sixteen, you get this phantom flag.
It's like, what the hell's going on here? That's why
America is rooting for Buffalo and Josh Allen this weekend.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I know you are too, you're rooting, but I don't root.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Don't I don't do that. I am a You're above rooting.
I'm America's honesty broker. I can't be out there at
Palm pomin it. That's not I can't do that. May
the best team win?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
How about this?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Can we ask Fox to get us some Buffalo Bill's
jerseys for Monday? No, when the Bills win and we
I'll work throwing Thomas.
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Speaker 2 (29:00):
Let's get started with the Travis Kelcey sure.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Let's go back to the Kansas City Chiefs. Everybody's least
favorite team. You know, Kelsey had a rough season, Colum,
Let's be real, but he was big in the division,
around one hundred and seventeen yards in a touchdown. The
media asked Andy Reid about the type of energy Travis
Kelcey brings it regardless of his production.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
It's that positive mindset, you can do anything, and I
think he does a great He does a great job
with that. At his age. He goes out there every
day and practice is hard, just and if you're trying
to take him out, he gets mad at you. So
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I think that's that's a special thing.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
For an older player.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I mean, there is a common thread among great athletes
is the ones that are highly competitive. They were talking
about that with Riley Leonard last night. They're like, the
kid just is, you know, throwing up on the sidelines.
And I think Kelsey has that ability. That is he's
gotten a little rickety and older very much. Gronk red
Light's on, he's money and he's always open. He just
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he is a manipulator of defense.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I'm almost certain he didn't play in the regular season finale,
but his last game was Christmas. So by the time
this Bill's Chiefs throws around, Kelsey will have played one
game in a month.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
He's gonna be fresh.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
He's gonna be like a spring chicken out there at arrowhead,
young Travis Kelcey. That's a problem for Buffalo, which really
doesn't defend the middle of the field. Well. And we
got Kelsey's playoff career numbers. I mean, is there staggering gung.
He's one of the best tight ends in the history
of the sport.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Oh, I think, look a look at these numbers. I mean,
I think there's four four great tight ends ever, Kellen Winslow,
Gronk Kelsey, Shannon Sharp, Tony Gonzalez up there too. Maybe
five that feel different. I mean, he's there's listen. And
what's great about it is George Kittle was a middle
round draft pick and Travis Kelsey was a middle lound.
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Antonio Gates wasn't drafted. It's it's a very interesting position
because you have a defensive end body, but you can catch.
And for years and years the NFL did not know
what to do with tight end. I mean, they're still
wildly underpaid. We all know running backs are underpaid. The
problem is the good tight ends like brock Bowers. You
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can put them outside and have them be receivers and
they're paid like tight ends. And we're getting these bigger,
stronger athletes who are six five six six two forty
eight and they run and you're like, okay, they've become
incredible weapons. Over the course of my life, running backs
and receivers and quarterbacks of as matter, left tackles of
all has been important sore pass rushers. The smart coaches
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know how to use the tight end, and Andy Reid's
an expert.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
It's going to be interesting what do the Bills do
because Bernard had that huge strip of Mark Andrews. Do
you try to match up Bernard with Kelsey? Bernard's pretty
damn good. I know, he hasn't had amazing season. He's talented,
and that leaves Milano to spy Mahomes because you know,
Mahomes with all these cheap runs that he does and
pick it up fifteen yards, you know, cheap runs, well,
you know, it's like the backyard football and Mahomes next thing,
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you know, he's got twenty five yards outside.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
They count, They do count.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I mean, but he does that often. It's smart football.
He's he's great.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I'm not knocking him by saying cheap runs, but you
gotta spy Mahomes, right.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, I don't feel that. I think Patrick runs often
in the second half when he has to. If people
watched first halfs on script, he doesn't like he doesn't
run much, and then second half he'll run. But I
Josh Allen runs.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
The idea of those are different runs. Though Josh Allen's
running you over. Mahomes is just running and then trying
to draw flag anyway.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
So the Buffalo Bill's pass rush Rousseau von Miller at
Fanezza like it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
They're built to take down these Chiefs. I mean Houston
had how many sacks?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Was this three?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Four at sacks against Mahomes. I think this Buffalo team's
gonna be live. I'm word of the secondary injuries, though
we're gonna have to wait to see what happens in
practice with rap and uh.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, Kansas City is about one O line injury from
being in trouble. So both teams cross your fingers in
different units.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I got a men's league game Sunday. Do I have
to skip that to watch them?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (33:14):
I think idea.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Next story is Matt Stafford's future. We talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Well, what about Cooper Cup, Colin, what do you think
happens with Cooper Cup?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Remember there was some trade.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Speculation earlier this season. He has two years left on
his deal. Production has dipped considerably over the last few years.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
He's a big crown winner. In twenty twenty one, he's
a big dead cap hit. So they would like to
get one more great year out of him. They're gonna
draft another receiver to go with Pooka. They're very Pooka dominant.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Kupp spoke about his uncertainty.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
I don't have any clarity on what that's going to
look like or anything like that. So, yeah, obviously would
love to be in LA, but I don't know what
the you know what that looks like.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I want to play next year?
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, Yeah, there's no doubt in
my mind. Want I want play. I thought like a
lot of the football left for me, So now I
definitely will be playing. I'll be playing football next year.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, off a bye early in this season. It's just
I don't know if it's degenerative. You know, the lower
part of his body is breaking down. I still think
he can be big. He's not separating, like remember he
used to be always open, yeah, constantly. He's not anymo right,
So I think could he have a career like Travis
Kelcey where he's like your number three receiver in the
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regular season, but then in the big games you use him.
Could he become that? But he's very expensive and he's
he has regressed pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
So you did hear I would love to be in LA.
You heard that from him, right.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I don't think if I'm the Chargers, that's the answer.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm not saying the answer.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
But if you can grab dude, if the Rams cut
him loose, he's very expensive, he is cut him loose
and take the dead cap or whatever it is. I
mean the Charger should definitely as a grown up a
leader knows what it's like to get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I mean, why can't he have a late career. It
serves like.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Adam Thielen in Carolina. Sorry for the white on white comparison,
but Adam Thielon.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Has still done well.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Remember everybody thought he was washed after Minnesota. He's been
pretty good in Carolina. Cooper Cup can be fine for
Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I mean, I've got the rams like him, but Dave
clearly if you watch the games, yeah, he's the minutes,
he's the two. All right.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Final story is to the NBA folks. The Warriors played
the Celtics on MLK Day yesterday and Golden State suffered
a forty point blowout loss, the worst in the Steve
Kerr era. Draymond Green is out for at least another
week with a cap string. Jonathan Kaminga out the next
three weeks. Pods has an abdomen injury.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Golden State. Remember they had that hot start twelve and three.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Cowherd he was all excited for the Warriors.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
They have gone nine and eighteen since.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Here's the thing this is, they don't want to They
didn't want Jimmy Butler. My take is, who are we
fooling here? You need another star and you don't have
take a swing?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know you sing now or in the offseason.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I don't think there's a swing to be had now.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Well Jimmy Butler, I mean, if Jimmy Butler facilitated.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Trade for him, yeah, I just think he's been trying
to kind of fake it the last couple of years
and you have your moments in your halfs, in your games.
They do when they're arrested and feel right. But who
we kidn't here. By the way, the Warriors and the
Niners had about a six year run. Niners didn't get
a trophy. Warriors they had about six to eight year
run where you were like, wow, this is really special
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and they both got old and a little brittle and
a little untalented very quickly.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I don't think the forty nine Ers run is definitely dead.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Let's see what happens is this offseason with Purdy and
all these high priced guys.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It feels like the Warriors run is over.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And I, oh it is.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
This is my hot take that you know, Steph Curry
they missed the playoffs. He can be like, guys, I'm
still one of the best players.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Let me let me still one of the ten best
players in the league. GY's I don't care what you say.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
There's no question. If you really want to do it,
you move death and you could get you could absolutely
get a all the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Do you want that on your tombstone?
Speaker 5 (37:07):
The guy who traded Steph Curry out of you know,
the greatest.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Dynasty, the pat Riley is the guy that let Lebron
go he's going to have He's just fine, Well, no, Lebron.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Kind of decided that on. He's like, I'm not coming back.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But will you go to Curry and say where do
you want to go?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I think that's probably a discussion.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Now.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Curry's two nice of a guy. He's really embedded in
the community. I don't see him asking out. But you
know what, I wonder if at some point he's like,
you know.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Let me say something. These old athletes are like old
talk show hosts. They poke him in the ribs and
they're not your friend anymore. And so my take is,
gather the point. The point is with Curry, if he
came up to him and said, listen, we're considering trading
you and may tick him off, and he may just say.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
They're not sending him to Siberia.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You know he's gonna I mean, if the Yankees, Jeter's
a good guy. If the Yankees, three years before he retired,
said we can get a haul for you, Jeter wouldn't
have been the captain of New York long.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
They were competing, though is still near the end of
Jeter's career. They were a playoff team every year. I
don't even know if the words are playing team right now.
I'm dead serious. They're not.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
In the and that's not right for Curry.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Is there any way on earth the Lakers could get
him any shot, anything that's not nailed down.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Just give it up for Curry. And then you get
Lebron and Curry.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
You get a ratings bump, you get excitement, you get
you and I in the stands.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm going to see that show.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
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Speaker 1 (40:14):
Three on two. People Now didn't get an invitation.
Speaker 9 (40:18):
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Speaker 2 (40:19):
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a youth basketball game back year.
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You're passing up that from youth basketball.
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Oh yeah, you got to be a part of a
community and you know, help be around your kids.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Dam didn't you tell me the kids don't want to
hang out with you once they get older.
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Speaker 1 (40:36):
You know, it's funny about this whole Chiefs thing. The
Houston Texans allowed eight sacks and had the worst special
teams playoff performance ever, and it's the refs. Come on,
just just let me honest everybody, you don't like the
chief swimming. I mean, what's funny is there were three
plays that drove you crazy. The Will Anderson hit for
the record, refs get one shot to see it in
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real time, and they've been instructed call it. In baseball,
ty goes to the runner. In football, TI goes to
the quarterback. You have to call that. You're instructed to
call it if you can't tell. And the first time
I saw it, I thought, that's a headshot that's not rigged.
The second one is when the guy's helmets collide. I
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get that works everybody out, but again you can't tell
and they've been instructed. And the third one that drives
you crazy is running out of bounds. You know how
Maholmes does that. So this one right here, again it
looked really close. You're instructed. Call it. That's why being
a pocket quarterback sometimes as a disadvantage. Mobile quarterbacks put
themselves in better spots to get the call. And this
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third one drove people crazy. Folks, there was no flag.
There was no flag for it. You don't like the optics,
the aesthetics, no flag. So it's much to do about nothing.
And I told a friend who loves the Texans, I said,
if I would have told you going into the game
as a Texans fan, you're gonna allow eight sacks and
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have the worst special teams performance in playoff history? Does
that sound like you'd beat Andy Reid off a bye
in Arrowhead? Will Anderson walked back. You know, they were
all worked up in Houston, but Will Anderson kind of
walked it all back a little bit.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
I'm not the type of the chase calls. The NFL
can do whatever they need to do for the thing.
I feel like as a player. You just have to
keep playing. Some calls were, you know, in my opinion,
could have been better calls, and that's okay, that's my opinion.
But at the end of the day, it's about us.
We have to do a better job of executing. We
have to do a better job of going out there
and being ready and no matter what the outcome is,
we have to do a better job with hidling Texans
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business on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I mean, you miss two field goals, give up a
big kickoff, you miss an extra point, not beating Mahomes
and Andy riding arrow head off a bye. It's just
not gonna work that way. Yeah, you let Travis Kelcey
play flag football in the middle of the v Hey,
I'm open. Nobody's covering me for the fourth time. What
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