February 8, 2025 • 51 mins
Colin discusses the huge trade that sent Luka Doncic to the Lakers and Anthony Davis to the Mavericks
Ranking the 10 best players in the Super Bowl this Sunday
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a super Bowl week and we
will be in New Orleans Thursday and Friday. It is
a wild Monday when we had probably the most staggering
memorable NBA or sports trade in a long time. Welcome
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into the Herd, Jmax joining me. It's hard to dissect
what we saw yesterday because when you just set it
out loud, it looks like the Lakers stole at one
of the time three players in the league and gave
up a very very good player, but not much else.
And LA does have a history of always getting the guy,
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the Lakers more so than even the Yankees get the guy.
So they have found their guy for the next we think,
five to ten years, and so let's try to dissect it.
So Nico Harrison has for not very long been the
general manager of Dallas and he's a risk taker. He
did the Kyrie move. Everybody criticized him.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It worked.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
He made that big move at the trade deadline last year.
It got him into the finals. He's taken big swings.
He's different. But this feels like an absolutely egregiously bad moves.
So why did he make the move? Well, let's start
with this. I think the reason that Michael Jordan is
the most popular basketball player of all time. Kobe Bryant's
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up there too, is that relentlessness, that work ethic. It's
not Luca. He's often in poor shape and is a
lousy defender, and he's hurt increasingly more and more and
more due to his bad conditioning. So there's a little
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shack in Luca. And the Lakers moved off Shack, right,
They had a choice. They took Kobe the relentless worker.
So is that the reason they moved off him? The
Maverick owners are staring down the barrel of seventy four
million dollars a year contract, and he doesn't defend. He's
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hard on teammates, but won't play defense. There's a little barkley,
there's a little shack. He's not the hardest worker. The
max contract now is punitive if you get the wrong guy.
Maybe the owners look at Embiid's mess and Philly or
the Kawhi saga with the Clippers and said, new owners, no,
thank you, not interested. Now. That does not give you
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an excuse to give away Luca for one first round pick.
But I do think if there would have been three
first round picks, Anthony Davis and maybe in Austin Reeves. Okay,
I should we consider that phone call. I can make
some sense of it because I don't think Luca is
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the perfect player. He has now had three calf injuries
in four years, same calf, hasn't played since Christmas, missed
the last two training camps. There's stuff here and clearly
a general manager who's willing to take massive swings. And
he has hit on the Kyrie move. It's been a hit.
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He hit on the trade deadline move. Uh, there's there's
things here. I see Luca is being made out as
the perfect player, and there's a there's a little shack
a prodigy. But the Lakers eventually said we're gonna take
that works harder. I would not have made the trade.
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I don't like the trade, but I but I get
the Mbid. The Kawhi, the injuries, the lack of conditioning,
these new Max contract extensions seventy four million a year.
What really bothers me, though, is the lack of resources
they got back. Because I love Anthony Davis. I think
he's a very good player. He's not offensively Luca, but
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he's a much better defensive player, and he's older. But
the lack of resources is unbelievable. They got one draft pick,
Rudy Gobert got four, Kevin Durant got something like nine.
One draft pick, And if you're totally concerned about health
and availability, then why trade for Anthony Davis. It's it's
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there were much better trade partners than the Lakers, and
they they traded it in a vacuum. It's like they
didn't tell anybody it was one team, one first round pick.
That's unforgivable. It's not even like they traded him, it's
like they discarded him. He's like an old surfboard by
somebody who's lived at the beach for twenty years and
bought a new one. Like, I don't even understand it.
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Here's Nico Harrison. It's the resources and the lack of
return that to me just say it out loud, sounds
like an awful move. Here's Jason Kidd and Nico Harrison.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
As we turn the page.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I think it's important to know that jakek and I
we've had a vision in the culture that we want
to create since we've been here, and the players that
we're bringing in we believe exemplify that. And you know,
we think defense wins championships and we're bringing in one
of the best two way players in the league.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
It is a little shocking, but like in the sense,
we have to push forward as an organization. As a team,
we have a game to play and we have to
be pros about it. But we understand what Luca has
meant to the Mavericks that we wish him and his
family the best in La also Maxie and Smooth. But
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we have to push forward and we believe we have
a team that can do that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
All right, there's three primary reasons the Lakers stole him.
Number One, he's twenty five. He Dalton connect is twenty four.
This guy's barely in the league. He is just a
new kid. He's twenty five years old, He's already got
fifty playoff games, and he's so gifted offensively. He's never
really been pushed because he's been so good playing in
Europe forever. Number two is he finally lands with a
legend in Lebron James. And I mean, let's be honest
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about this. Lebron is so dedicated that he has forced
quirky players before Anthony Davis was soft and J. R.
Smith was squirrely and Kyrie Irving was high maintenance and
he got him to work. And number three is the
Lakers are aspirational franchise with statues everywhere in the building.
And the bottom line here is, I think we're going
to get a more dedicated Luca.
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Speaker 1 (07:04):
Every time I have a big game, I take off
the yellow pad and I give you my favorite ten
players in the game, the ten best players. And it's
tough because I'll just tell you Travis Kelsey doesn't make it.
It's not because he couldn't be the MVP, but I
just don't see it happening. So here we go. Here's
who I believe the ten best players in this game,
and number one is not a big shock. I think
it'st Patrick Mahomes, who was not necessarily great against Houston.
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But I've said this with mj there are certain players
in these big moments that are not burdened by pressure.
It's almost as if Mahomes needs the playoff intensity to
elevate himself. Nine consecutive postseason wins, he's number one. I
think number two it's the historic Saquon Barkley. When he
went to Philadelphia with that old line, we said, folks,
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the Giants have just made a franchise mistake. That is egregious.
Fourteen games this year with one hundred plus rush yards. Now,
obviously some of that is the offensive line. He's just different.
He's just a different player. You know, running backs are
hard to describe because all the great ones have had
stylistically kind of a different bent speed, ability to make
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you miss jump over through Saquon Barkley at two. I
would put Chris Jones number three. When you're a defensive
lineman and can move anywhere on the defensive line and
you're unblockable on the end, you're unblockable on the interior.
He was the highest graded interior defensive lineman this season,
including the playoffs. You know, remember when they weren't sure
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if they were going to pay Chris Jones, and I
believe the future of the NFL you're seeing this a lot.
His teams will pay one great defensive lineman, but pay
most of the money on offense. Chris is number three
for me. Number four is I think Jalen Carter is
virtually unblockable. He's not Chris Jones in terms of consistency yet,
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but he led the team in pressures, tackles for loss, quarterbacks, hits,
and he's got an Aaron Donald vibe, which you have
to start your offensive game plan with. Okay, how do
we get Jalen Carter out of the picture. I'd put
him at four. Jordan Malatta, the highest credit offensive tackle,
I would put him at five. We'll get to Tuney
in a second. I would put Jordan Malatta, who was
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the highest credited tackle in the regular season. Now, listen,
Philadelphia's offensive line. They do offensive lines really, really well,
and so you could do multiple players on this, including
Lane Johnson. But I think you know, only two sacks
allowed this year, and only one during the regular season
in five hundred opportunities to pass block, so and you
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remember you're blocking the best athlete some would say on
the defense. Number six Joe Toney, he's the best pass
blocking left guard in football. Again, when Kansas City went
and spent that money in New England, right and they
went and bought him, everybody said, WHOA, that is a
lot for a guard. Well, they moved this guy due
to injuries out to left tackle. He's elite at left
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tackle as well, and I do believe that Tooney and
the ability to protect Mahomes. Mahomes only lost one game
ugly in his life, in the playoffs when he didn't
get protection against Tom Brady and Tampa. I think number
seven is a J. Brown. Again, you sometimes forget how
good Phillies wide receivers are because they're such a power
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run game. But he was top ten in misstackles and
I think his physicality is really important because I think
Kansas City is the best tackling team in the league.
That's just an eye test. I don't have data to
back that up, but AJ Brown is number seven. Eight
Trent McDuffie, Kansas City tremendous corner second highest graded cornerback
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during the regular season again, they're gonna put him. They're
gonna put him on AJ Brown and say, I mean,
I think you have to with Devonte Smith, AJ Brown,
Dallas Goddard. Getta have to have some one on one
matchups and that's one Kansas City has to win. I
would put Zach Baughn at nine. The guy's unbelievable. He
was a special teams player. He's tremendous in coverage. I
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think he's one of the surprise players of the year
in pass coverage this year. This is such a great
stat He's allowed a sixty nine passer rating. That's about
as good as a linebacker can do. And number ten
Jalen Hurts. Again, when you put pressure on Jalen Hurts,
he regresses significantly. But here's the thing, it's hard to
get pressure on Jalen Hurts because of the old line
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in the run game. So there you have my top ten.
I think it comes out to four Chiefs and six
Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Goddard. I mean, there's a lot of
people I'm leaving out unbelievable corners for Philadelphia Mitchell. I mean, again,
there's sixteen guys here who should.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Make the list.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
But a couple of years ago. I did this with
San Francisco and Kansas City, and I got the same dilemma.
There's hall of famers that may not make the list.
Travis Kelsey could be the MVP of the game, or
we could have two capses.
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Speaker 1 (13:02):
Drew Brees twenty years in the NFL, fifteen years here.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
That that is interesting. You're you have an encyclopedic memory
and knowledge of this stuff. But go back to your
Super Bowl week. You obviously you have extra time, you
have Sean Payton, you put stuff in? Did you take
stuff out? Or did you go into your Super Bowl
Drew with just more plays than you've never had in
your life.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
No, I don't remember the volume being an issue of
that week because you know, quite honestly, the Colts, the
Colts defense, which wasn't that complicated, you know, that was
that was back in at the time when they were
very much like Tampa two and We're just going to
allow our pass rushers Dwight Freeney and Robert mathis to
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get after you, right, and man, we've got we've got
good players in the secondary that are just going to
keep it in front of them, and we're just going
to kind of manage the game because we know we
have a high scoring offense, you know, on the other side.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
So I don't remember the volume.
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Being an issue necessarily as far as the volume of
plays in the game plan.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
It was more so I think for us, like our
success we.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
Knew was number one, we need to steal a possession
in this game, right, which we did at the start
of the of the second half, right with that on
side kick that we called ambush. But it was it
was really more so like how do we create a rhythm,
you know with our offense against these guys, and and
a level of patience because look, we were a big
play offense too. We were used to you know, kind
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of those you know, big play shots down the field,
and I think we just recognized, hey, these guys don't
really give that to us.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
So we're gonna have to run the ball effectively. We're
gonna hit them.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
With the screen game to try to slow down the
pass rush, and then we're just gonna be methodical with
the passing game, which we were super efficient to.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Pass the game.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
And oh, by the way, what that does is it
also chews up the clock and it keeps one of
the best players in the world off the field on
the other side, in Peyton Manning. So quite honestly, like
I see that very much like what the Philadelphia's game
plan should be against the Chiefs this week, which is
run the ball, possess the ball, chew up the clock,
wear down that defense, and keep the best player in
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the world, Patrick Holmes off the field on the other side.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know, it's interesting because I would think a guy
like you and you mentioned Peyton Manning, both of you
very cerebral. I would think short weeks would drive you
crazy and you would love an extra day or a
buy or Super Bowl because you could just fill your
brain with more information.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
So to you.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Extra time, like to you, was it a kid in
the candy store. It's like, hey, I got more time
to like exercise efficiency. How did you limit it?
Speaker 9 (15:43):
Well, sometimes too much time results in over analysis, right right,
and then and then it's paralysis by over analysis, right. So, like, honestly,
I felt like we had a great plan, which was hey,
two weeks prior to the Super Bowl. So the first
week honestly a lot of just good on good competition
with our team, Like we really didn't get into a
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lot of the game planning for the Indianapolis Colts. Yes
we were watching film, and yes we were starting to
have an idea of you know how we were going
to attack them, But we did not install our game
plan against the Colts in the week prior to the
Super Bowl. We waited until we actually got to Miami,
which is where we played it.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
And we because we wanted to. We wanted to have
as normal a work week as possible, right, Like.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
That's the that's the toughest thing about the Super Bowl is.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
How do you make the Super Bowl a normal work week?
Speaker 9 (16:36):
You're in a foreign place, practicing in a different facility
that you have to bust to. You're in a hotel
where there's all kinds of chaos going on, Like how
do you order the chaos?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
How do you create some normalcy in a routine?
Speaker 9 (16:47):
And so we did like good on good competitive.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Man weight room.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
That was like our first week, right, and then the
minute we arrived in Miami, it was like, all right,
here we go, flip the switch game plan, Wednesday's base,
Thursday's third Day, Friday's red zone, shortyardage, goal line, Saturday,
Hay's in the barn Man quick walk through, job through boot.
We got it in our mind. Let's go win a
football game.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You know, it's interesting. Brady and Hasselbeck both talked about
this on the show, and this is what has always
been fascinating is that you guys watched so much film
and Hasselbeck talked about homegrun adding something late in the week.
Brady came on and said, we added, we placed that
Seahawk team that had no weaknesses. We came up with
three new plays the night before just because he goes,
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I didn't trust our red zone packages. Did Sean with you,
Drew say, listen, I found something on tape, or did
you say, you know, Sean, we got to clean something up.
Anything Saturday night happened.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Yeah, it would from time to time, and a lot
of that was just you know, Sean and my routine
of guy I would always go back on Saturday morning,
which was again our just kind of walk through day,
you know, walk through the game plan. The first fifteen
place of the game, you know, kind of hit some
red zone.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Third down thoughts.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I would watch a couple games on Saturday morning more
so just to kind of go back and just like
feel the flow and the rhythm of a game and
maybe how some other teams that attacked them. And again,
it was just it was very relaxed, but it was
and in that moment you would just kind of be
looking at it through a different lens at that point,
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because you were kind of, you know, past what you
thought was the game planning thing, but all of a
sudden you would see something like just a little like
oh wow, I feel like, you know, this may be
a good opportunity or off of this look, maybe a
great opportunity to run a little stutter and go on
that corner, or a double move on this linebacker with
the running back, or you know, just something and it
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at that point though, it had to be like a
game changing thing, like we didn't need another play that
was gonna get us a five to ten yard completion.
We wanted to play that was like, oh no, this
is a shot opportunity. This is a big play opportunity,
like game winner opportunity.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So yeah, we had a couple of those.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
In fact, we were playing Monday night football against the
Miami Dolphins twenty thirteen. Night before the game, we had
this little h choice with Darren Sprolls where he's.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Just gonna kind of run up five yards. He's got
a three way go.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
But I'm like, man, this backer is just so aggressive,
like on film time after time, and he's gonna see
that and he's just gonna be sitting all over and
it's like, hey, Sean, what if we just double move
this guy like right off the bat, you know, and
just like set the tone early. Sure enough, second play
of the game, we run this. We put it in
literally the night before, and man, it works like a.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Charm forty yard completion.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
And that's when you're kind of that's when you're kind
of looking at the sideline live.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know. I run a survey it must have been
fifteen years ago and they were talking about the most
unique cities in the country, and New Orleans was number one.
They said, the vibe, the food, the people. To be
the Saints quarterback here for fifteen years, it's not like
being a quarterback nothing against Seattle or Baltimore. But I mean,
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what is it like? This is such a simple question,
but in one of the most unique American cities. What
is it like, What do you remember about being the
Saints quarterback for fifteen years? What sticks to you?
Speaker 9 (20:17):
Well, I think I think the thing that sticks out
most to me is that the community of New Orleans
they were more fans of New Orleans than they even were,
or they were first fans of New Orleans, then they
were fans of the Saints. Like in other words, when
you walked around town, it wasn't like ghost Saints or thanks.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
For what you do for the team. It was like, eh,
thanks for loving this city.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
So it just it just gave you this feeling that, man,
we were all in this whole effort together, and like
people appreciate the fact that my wife Brittany and I
lived right in the heart of the city, like righting
uptown New Orleans, and that we'd be walking the dog
in the park just like everybody else. But we'd be
you know, having gumbo down at you know, the local spot.
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You're just like everybody else, right Like, there was just
this feeling of man, they're just they're just like us,
you know, and they want to be just like us,
and they're just part of this community and part of
this Society and like that was what was so unique
about about this place.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Finally, where do I get one of those sweet Crown
Royal jackets you're wearing? Can you get me one of
those drow.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (21:30):
I'm glad you asked, Colin, Really, buddy, I got one here.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I got one here right man. Look at this sat
a satin starter jacket.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
We got NFL Crown Royal and this is incredible partnership
with Crown Royal. They've been a huge benefactor to our foundation,
helping us with all of our efforts here in New Orleans,
something to build affordable housing, job skills training, build healthcare
facilities around around the state. And they're doing a ton
of things here during Super Bowl Week, donating a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Of money to the Foundation for Louisiana.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
They've got a pop up down in the quarter selling
the jackets, all the proceeds going the foundation. They got
the Crown Rule rig in town that people can go
check out and pack backs for military to be able
to send overseas. So Crown Rule is doing a ton
of great stuff. They've been what four years, the official
whiskey of the NFL. So really appreciate their support of
the Foundation supported Orleans.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And I really appreciate that jacket, Buddy, I really, you know,
won for the time.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I appreciate it's a sharp it's a sharp jacket. It's
got the Super Bowl fifty nine logo on the back.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
So now you have you looking clean, all right.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Drew, Great thing as always, man. I really appreciate your insight.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
This year, Bud.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah, I love this year. Spend time with you.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Thanks calling all right, Drew Brees. That's a great story
that people came up to him and thanks for loving
New Orleans, and that really is I remember reading the
survey eight years ago and they said there's no city
quite like it. And I had a friend who played
in that division at Tampa for years and he said,
going to New Orleans, whether the Saints were good, and
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that was pre Drew Brees. He said, it was always different.
It was always a little louder, the crowd was a
little more lubricated. If it was a late afternoon game,
it was. It was a completely different environment. I went
to an LSU game years ago when Nick Saban coached
LSU and they played Oregon State, and a lightning like
hit right next to the stadium and it was crazy
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weather and Oregon State almost beat Nick Saban. It was
JaMarcus Russell, I think was LSU's quarterback. And I can remember,
and I'm serious, I can remember smelling bourbon in the tailgate.
I never experienced anything quite like in LSU tailgate And
it was a wild game, and young Nick Saban was
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at LSU and Oregon State for about a half almost
pulled off the upset.
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Speaker 1 (24:00):
A time Super Bowl champ and a one time MVP,
Julian Edelman now joining us on the set Fox NFL Sundays.
I always think it's fascinating to talk to you in
moments like this because this game's I've had so many
pros tell me. There's regular season games, there's playoff games,
and then this is the flash light flashball game. Like,
is different? Go to your first series of every Super Bowl?
(24:22):
Even for you, I mean we're even in New England.
Practices were intense. Yeah, is the first series different?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Is there?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Michael Irvin said in warm up the first time, like
couldn't feel his legs is different.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
It is very different. The lights are brighter, and early
in my career they still had the flashes. So I
used to play on kickoff team and remember you see
those epic shots of all the flashes from the first
kickoff for the Super Bowl, and that first drive is
one of those feel like we gotta get We can't
dip our toe. We got to dive into the water
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type drives where anytime we had a force block. I
remember the first time going and blocking Cam Chancellor and
like the first play, I would always go in and
try to light someone up to clear the cobwebs. Everyone's
a little nervous, everyone's thinking about stuff. It's the first
play of the game. I remember I went in and
lit up, tried to light up Cam Chancellor and he
felt like a rooted tree and it was a big
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hit and it kind of stumbled me. But like after that,
I was like, all right, my feet are wet, I'm
ready to go. And I do think for receivers getting
the ball early. You know, after two week prep, you
know it's a four hour game. You've been through Opening night,
you've been through media night. There's been so many logistics
you've had to cover from taking care of your friends,
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your family, all the distractions. Getting something early is like,
all right, we're involved, now we can get going.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So I agree this game is different.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Everyone's a little bit healthier because of the extra week off.
Everyone's a lot more prepared because you have two weeks
to prep for guys, and it's a whole nother speed.
There's no saving the gas like you saved the gas
a little bit here and there in the regular season,
because it's a long season.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Here, when you have.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Professional athletes that are big, fast and strong, playing relentless,
it's a different game.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I asked Michael this about Jimmy Johnson. I'll ask you
the same question with Belichick. You've often told me that
Bill was so good on Saturday nights. Tom said, this
just buttoning stuff up. What is the pregame speech for
a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
The pregame speech for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 10 (26:37):
It changed every year, but the one that sticks out
was fourteen, when we went ten years without winning a
Super Bowl. It was kind of like our generation of
Patriots first go at it, and he went on this
big speech.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Of everyone's here for a reason.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
The Rob Nikovich's that were long snappers, the Devin mccordy's
that weren't first round draft picks, me who was a quarterback,
the Tom Brady who was getting old. Everyone was kind
of like a misfit or an outcast at that time.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
They couldn't get over the hump.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
And he just reminded us like, we're all here for
a reason, and let's make that reason for a win.
So you know, it was nothing like It wasn't like
al Pacino in any given Sunday.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It was subtle, and he would show clips and.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Highlights of guys in college and guys that, you know,
pivotal pieces of the team, the James Whites, the Shane Vereens,
those guys. He would show everyone like, this is our
reason why we're here, just to you know, And it
did get you fired up and you get all get
all fiery, and then you had to go to two
hour walk through.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But you know, it was good. It was good.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Strangely, despite all the components, You guys were a slow
first quarter Super Bowl team. Were the plays scripted?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Or I?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And I always think Bill had such confidence in his
culture and system that he wouldn't mind. It's like all
Lee in his prime. I'm gonna feel this puppy out.
I'm knock gonna on low the exotics. Why did you
guys start so slowly?
Speaker 10 (28:14):
I think it's it's it's a very hard game to
get a rhythm in. There's longer commercials, there's more commercials,
there's an anticipation by everyone because of the two weeks
I mean and all everything that how big they make
this event, Like you feel that in the first few drives.
And then also I think, uh, he would always say
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it's a you gotta wait for the game to declare.
So guys, there's gonna be a point in the either
the first quarter, the second quarter, or we're on our
script and we're gonna have to adjust to the adjustments
and the game is going to declare. I just remember
him always saying that. And then and yeah, we go
in with a somewhat of a scripted not a West
(28:59):
Coast twenty five plays script, but we'd have like certain
plays that we knew we wanted to run here and there,
and it was always kind of like, all right, we'll
see how they're playing this play because we have a
counter to this play. Okay, is the d N is
he slooping on this thing? Is he coming out, how's
he playing, how's this often, how's.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This coverage going.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
So it's a lot of feeling each other out, seeing
what the game plan, what they've been working on, any wrinkles,
and it's just one of those things where we're driving
the ball. A couple times we threw you know, we
fumbled it or picked it just once again. A lot
of nerves going to that first drive, lackarhythm because of
all the lengthy timeouts and just guys just trying to
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feel what the game is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You. You hear a lot the critics of Chiefs fatigue,
and I think the ultimate compliment. I remember this with
the Jordan rules and Shaq and Kobe and New England.
It's like, oh, like I always thought to flight Gate
was a joke. I just to me it was just nonsense.
When you hear Chie fatigue and they're getting the calls.
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I do think that Buffalo game, I thought it was
a first down, didn't get it. I mean, the tuck rule,
it is what it is. There were thirteen minutes left
in that game with Buffalo, make a play. But you've
been in that world where you're kind of the villain.
Was it inspiring. Did you care?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It was definitely inspiring.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
And if this is the if this is the worst
thing they get is that the refs call for them
like we went through a couple gates, you know, like that,
that they'd get off easy. If this is if this
is the length of how much people are getting on them.
But I think it's a it's one of those things
where everyone says stuff about you. It kind of it's
the biggest compliment where everyone has to come up with
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excuses instead of just beating you. So it's the ultimate compliment.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I do think there's a real connectivity between you and
the Patriots or you and the Chiefs. It's a star coach,
star quarterback often going into a Super Bowl where people
think to see so the Eagles have better players or
the Niners, but you're both. You and the Chiefs are
so great in situations, circumstantially, situationally, so strong. You won
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a lot of close games, and that's why it's so
ironic that you lost with the Giants twice in close games.
Did you feel it was an advantage having those games
with Baltimore and Peyton, Manning and Pittsburgh like games that
were in doubt with four minutes left? Does that play
a part in the Super Bowl? Like I've kind of
been here.
Speaker 10 (31:34):
It does play a part because it's a bit of experience.
I remember when we were down what New Orleans Week four,
two scores with a minute and thirty. We came back
and won that game, Kemberroll Tompkins on the sideline on
the with played with time ending.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Like that was on Week four.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
But that feeling that guys felt that you can come
from behind when it's against all odds that lasts the
whole season.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's a bit of experience.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
So I do think that all these close games that
the Chiefs have played in that's just built to their
situational football. Like whenever the game was close, we understood that.
Our coach always talked about being a tough mentally, tough,
physical team that performs under pressure in situations consistently, and.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That's what the Chiefs have done.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
If you look at a lot of their stats, they're
not explosive by any means, but they're ten percent higher
than last year. On third down they have like some
forty nine ten play plus drives and what's that. That's
them evolving their team knowing that they have a great
defense and having these long drives and adjusting their team
to winning the game. A lot of these teams they
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get all infatuated with having the best running offense or
the best passing offense or this that the Chiefs just
worry about getting one more point than the other team.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
That's where they're at in their career.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
You know, Mahomes and Kelsey, there's a lot of times
that I just think they look at each other, you clearly,
especially like by the time you're getting to Atlanta and
that Super Bowl, were there times that you did go
off script where there was a Super Bowl moment where
Tom looked at you and it was one of those
where maybe it tried it and it didn't work, and
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you kind of just felt like, does that happen in
the game of this magnitude?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
It does happen. Super Bowl forty nine, Seattle.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
It was a third down in that last drive before
when we were going down to score.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
After I took that big hit.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
It was the next drive there was a has Z
juke where I have a juke route in the middle
of the route, and they did they.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Dropped a pe dropper.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
So there was eight guys in coverage three Russian and
the guy dropped out and I brought my depth deeper
and went around him, and we ended up converting the
third down. And me and Tom literally just talked about
this play like it wasn't on there, but because of
the time on task that we had with each other
and the trust that we had with each other, Like
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he he trusted my eyes in that situation, and I
trusted his throw in that situation.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I remember that play, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (34:12):
So a lot of that happens through the reps and
the preparation that you've had for years with guys. I mean,
Travis and Patrick can finish each other's sentences because they've
seen the same looks football. There's only six coverages. Okay,
let's break it down. It's not rocket science. There's only
so many things they can actually do, and they've seen
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everything multiple times. So when they see a messed up
look with a look, they can determine without even talking, Hey,
we know what we're doing because Thursday practice we hit
this remember on the and they don't even have to
say anything.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Non verbal comps.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
What do you do on Friday before the Super Bowl?
What's that?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Practice?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Like Friday's fast Friday.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
So it's it's a very mental fast practice, no balls
on the ground, crossing the t's dot in the eyes,
going over certain situations that may have gave you some
trouble early that week in practice or the prior week
of practice back at home.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You go over all.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
That, you tighten it up, you get a little lift in.
It's very fast, it's very mental. And then like usually
Friday night, this is like your last day to hang
out and see your family. Then you're going zero dark
thirty Lebron style after that. So you have your night
where they probably some like welcome the families to the
Super Bowl thing, you say hi to your family, You
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have a dinner potentially, and then after that tomorrow you
have your picture day and it's a big mental day,
walk through day.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
You're kind of getting your treatment in.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
You're trying to calm the storm before you know it's
real calm.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
And like today is like your last day.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
This is your last day physically to go out and
rep something. Now you can have a thousand different Like
in Seattle, when we felt like we needed more man
coverage plays in the red area.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
We had all the hay in the barn.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
That week's of practice, that two weeks of practice, we
put in like three or four plays in the red
area Saturday night before the game, the ex return where
I scored, and then the Danny touchdown where he had
it was the four crossers in the red area.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
We we knew, we felt like we need.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
I don't know where we got it, but Josh and
Tom they said we need some more. I remember Tom
saying we need something else with the I want to easier. Look,
I don't want to have to process here here here
in the red area. So we put those tuesplays in
and we repped it night before. So like there's a
lot of the crossing, the t's dot in the eyes,
finishing the family right now today, Friday, Saturday, it's zero
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dark thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Did bid Bill give you? I mean, you guys had
some some of you were young. You were young at
one point, Did Bill give you a night on the town? Yeah, Tuesday,
so you can go to.
Speaker 10 (36:49):
Do whatever Monday night off Tuesday or there was no
there's no curfew Monday Tuesday. You had like a regular
off day Tuesday where you're expected to kind of go
in and get some treatment, watch some film, but it's
not mandatory, but you looked at differently if you don't
do it, uh, you know. So, yeah, guys would go
out on a Monday. I remember going my first Super
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Bowl before I was really playing it that many times
in Indie, hanging with Cope and drinking a couple of
beers and just talking old war stories he had that
happened we have.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
We had that.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
Yeah, we had fun. I know, I know everyone thinks
we didn't have fun. You know, I know, it's real fun.
Going to the damn parade the next.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Day, that's fun. Yeah, the you know, it's by the end.
With Tom, he was so iconic. I mean, Tom was
so big. I still I was at the Atlanta super Bowl.
I don't know. To me, that is I thought everything changed.
I thought, Tom, you know, there was all this ridiculous
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talk for years, well you know, the system. And then
I thought, after the Atlanta super Bowl, It's like we
just watched the best player that's ever played football play.
You of course had the catch. I thought everything felt different.
You guys were a dynasty. It felt like Tom sort
of went into the galaxy of Oh he's above Montana,
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he's above l Way take me beyond the catch and
the catch, what do you remember about at the end
of the because that I went back looked the highlights
two nights ago. I mean, every play Julian in the
last every play in the last half hour mattered.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Was that the most intense environment ever?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
You know, I don't think so.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
It was intense, but it wasn't the most because once again,
like we were talking about earlier, we had that situation
where you're down ten points against Seattle in the fourth
quarter before and had the biggest comeback from behind victory. Now,
that experience helped us going forward to this one, but
we did. I mean, you did feel that Tom hit
a different stratosphere after we won that game, because you know,
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he overcame Bradshaw Montana got to five. But I always
tell the story like before, for that year, we were
training in LA and on the whiteboard, Tom had the
address to the super Bowl in Arizona, and I asked him,
what's this and you know, he says, it's a super
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Bowl and I was like, man, I can't wait to
get you past Joe.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I want to get you past Joe. We got to
catch Joe because we were both San Francisco forty nine
er fans. He looked at me and didn't miss a
beat and said, I'm going for Jordan.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
I'm not going for Joe. And then after that when
we won that game, I said, We're going for Jordans.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
It was He's got a podcast, Games with Names. Fox
NFL kickoff Sundays in the fall on Fox. Three super Bowls,
one super Bowl MVP, and it's great. Stinging man, You've
always been so good for us.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You guys are awesome. You guys, this is awesome. How fun?
Is this?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Not?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Bad?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
New Orleans?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Catch Julian super Bowl pregame coverage starts at one pm Eastern.
Quite a day on Fox. Take a break live in
the Crescent City. We turn off for this.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
at noon Eastern a EM Pacific.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
We are ready for the gumbo of game time headlines
with jamac.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
What would.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Super Bowl Week be without closing out a segment? How
long we've been doing this about? I think this is
year seven. I think because you were doing this on
the show before. Yes, you were in the chair. Yeah,
so we were doing this for several years. It was
it was crushing.
Speaker 11 (40:38):
It was just such a powerful segment that you're like,
we gotta.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Bring this on every week, reshaping the industry, much like
Mahomes has done to the NFL. All right, tomorrows headlines today,
super Bowl fifty nine, what's going to be the headline?
Speaker 11 (40:53):
All right, let's get the pick out of the way early, Colin.
You know I've been on the Eagles all season. I've
been I'm a Chiefs hater. The headline will be tush, shush,
be quiet about the Chiefs.
Speaker 12 (41:05):
Three p the Eagles.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
Colin, Just like last year when I picked the better team,
I'm going with the better team again.
Speaker 12 (41:11):
Now it didn't quite work out last year.
Speaker 11 (41:13):
Niners did lead ten to nothing and then kind of
collapse a little bit. Special teams missque and they blow
it in overtime. I don't see the Eagles doing that.
And Colin, I have legit concerns about the Chiefs offense
having success against his Eagles defense.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I know you don't.
Speaker 12 (41:26):
And you look at some of these numbers from Mitchell.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
The rookie cornerback, I mean hel Terry McLaurin had to
head one catch in the NFC Championship game to get
the games against Pooka.
Speaker 12 (41:35):
Pooka had two catches.
Speaker 11 (41:36):
He can't Mitchell is a lockdown guy. I think Patrick
Mahomes is gonna have to attack Darius Slay, who can
make big plays. And I just I don't see the
Chiefs offense having a ton of success. I love this
Eagles defense.
Speaker 12 (41:48):
I'm going thirty one to nineteen.
Speaker 11 (41:51):
I know it's a double digit win. Little old spread
action if you're into it. I just think this is
a really good Eagles team. I think the best offensive
line in the league. Man handles Chris Jones and company.
And I see that look on your face. Eagles beat
the Chiefs, no three peat?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Colin sounds like you're betting with your heart. Tomorrow's headlines today,
Who's gonna be the MVP of Super Bowl fifty nine?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
All right?
Speaker 11 (42:15):
You know I love to fade narratives. The media is
all over a certain player.
Speaker 12 (42:19):
Well, he's not that good, he's not a top five guy.
Speaker 11 (42:22):
The headline for MVP, well, pte squat goals, quarterback puts.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Bros on his back.
Speaker 12 (42:29):
Give me Jalen Hurts is the MVP.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I know.
Speaker 12 (42:31):
Listen, Saquon's gonna have a good game.
Speaker 11 (42:32):
I did bet some Saquon props, but I think Hurts
is gonna be the guy, and the narrative colin around
Hurts is weird.
Speaker 12 (42:38):
He had one three hundred yard game this season?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Is he that good?
Speaker 12 (42:41):
He had two games over two hundred fifty yards?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
How good is he?
Speaker 11 (42:45):
But he's playing to the team's strengths. But this is
where things I think will change. Spagnolo, He's gonna cook
up something to slow Saquon Barkley. Nobody's been able to
do that this season. He's having an unbelievable year. I
think Hirts can deliver and I just look at that
last Super.
Speaker 12 (42:58):
Bowl against the Chiefs, Coluin, unbelievable.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
You and I would agree best player on the field
last Super Bowl with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
It was very good.
Speaker 12 (43:05):
And I know he had the fumbles, scoop and score.
Speaker 11 (43:07):
But last thirteen games that he started and finished thirty
three touchdowns one turnover for Jalen Hurts. The guy is
underrated if that's possible, and I think he captures the MVP.
I think you can get him at like plus three
seventy or something like that.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
All right, So if you think it's thirty one nineteen
tomorrow's headlines today, What in the world is the headline
for the Chiefs.
Speaker 11 (43:29):
Yeah, listen, I know Kansas City Chiefs fans are all
over the town. We see a lot of them in
here in the background. It's gonna be a tough one.
The headline will be acid refluck, zebra's leaves, shelf, Chiefs
stomach shirting.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (43:45):
One of the big stories in the.
Speaker 11 (43:47):
Postseason has been the Kansas City Chiefs and the refs.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
Nobody likes that. We don't like talking about the refs.
You hate it, Okay.
Speaker 11 (43:53):
I don't think the refs will be a huge story here.
And if you look at the last two Super Bowls, Colin,
Kansas City's offensive line has not been called for one
holding up one in the last two Super Bowls. But
this will be This is your weakest offensive line, I
believe since that Tampa Super Bowl and the Eagles defensive
line I believe.
Speaker 12 (44:10):
Has a big edge.
Speaker 11 (44:11):
I do think Tony's gonna have to probably move around.
I don't think you can keep him a left tackle.
Maybe kick him back inside to double Carter and Davis.
I do think we're gonna see some issues and uh,
maybe the Chiefs fans.
Speaker 12 (44:22):
Will be like, hey, we're the rest. I thought we
had him in the back pocket. Obviously we're having some fun.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Here go Eagles.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Okay, what will be the headline then for Andy Reid?
Tomorrow's headlines? Today? If the Chiefs lose? What's gonna be
the headline for Andy Reid after the loss?
Speaker 11 (44:39):
You know, Reid has come out and said I'm coming
back no matter what. You know, we kind of sort
of believe him, right, Andy Reid? Why would he lie
to us? The headline for Andy Reid will be the
read hot Chitli Peppers. Andy keeps the band together.
Speaker 12 (44:53):
I don't think he's going anywhere. You and I agree,
what he's a sixty.
Speaker 11 (44:56):
Six turning sixty seven here in March, but he's youthful.
He's a youthful sixty six, if that's such a thing.
And you see Belichick's doing his new thing in college
football now, I don't see Reid doing that. He's he's
too good of a coach to just walk away.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
To creative, to just sit on a rocking chair. I mean,
he's got.
Speaker 12 (45:11):
Patrick Mahomes in his prime.
Speaker 10 (45:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
You know, there's some other players that could be moving on.
Speaker 11 (45:15):
But I think Reid sticks around, and he's a great guy,
great ambassador for the NFL.
Speaker 12 (45:19):
So Andy Reid will be sticking around.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, there are dialing up x's and o's for mahomes, beats,
crossword puzzles come on. Of course, if you're still having
fun and being paid, well, keep doing what you're doing.
All right? For a coach that I don't get his methodology,
but he wins tomorrow's headlines today, Nick Siriani has to
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be held back often from his own fans. What's the headline?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Sid?
Speaker 12 (45:46):
He had a much maligned year.
Speaker 11 (45:47):
I don't know if any show beat up Sirianni the
way we did, and he's had some missteps. However, the
headline for Nick Sirianni will be sorry, not Sirianni. Nick
makes no apollo, and I think with a Super Bowl win, Colin,
we remember Andy Reid's amazing run in Philly. Andy Reid
was known as a guy who could not win the
big game. I looked this up one and four in
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NFC championship games. Sirianni's back in the Super Bowl, Like,
come on, like this guy's maybe he's a good coach,
his methodology doesn't line up with what we would do
and operate. But Sirianni wins this and Colin again, I
go back to Andy Reid, like he had great players,
Donovan mcdabb could not.
Speaker 12 (46:26):
Win a Super Bowl. Sirianni does it with Jalen Hurts,
who was a second round pick.
Speaker 11 (46:30):
I think we got to start to give him as
props and maybe back off the is he gonna get
fired kind of deal.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah. I mean it's I've found through the years, you
can be kind of polarized that you could be Bill
Parcell's confrontational, you can be a little bit more chill,
Tony Dungee. You can beat an offensive coach, Andy Reid,
Sean Paytona, Chuck Noll, Belichick defensive coaches. I think one
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thing I've come to terms with through the years, I mean,
Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. So did Doug Peterson.
There's a lot of different ways to win Super Bowls. Now,
partly because of who he's dating, there's a lot of
speculation around one Travis Kelcey, So our final one Tomorrow's
headlines today? What is the headline for in Super Bowl
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fifty nine for Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
Yeah, Like I said earlier, Kelsey coming off his worst
playoff game. I think he had two catches, wasn't a
factor in the offense, and it didn't matter. They still
took down the Bills. The headline for Travis Kelcey will
be we are never ever retiring.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Ever.
Speaker 12 (47:42):
I don't see Travis Kelsey going anywhere.
Speaker 11 (47:44):
I mean, I think he leads the league in commercials
or he's up there. He's just making money.
Speaker 12 (47:47):
He's dating Taylor Swift, He's got a great life.
Speaker 11 (47:49):
And I don't want to criticize his regular season, but
he kind of slept, walked through it.
Speaker 12 (47:53):
He was not amazing, putting up like massive.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
So they didn't even play well against Houston.
Speaker 12 (47:57):
He did not well.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
He was good, he was good.
Speaker 12 (48:00):
He was not just amazing all season.
Speaker 11 (48:02):
But again, like they're now playing for super Bowls. You
heard Edelman say, hey man, I don't want to catch Montana.
I want to catch Jordan. I think Travis Kelcey just
think super Bowls. We're going to the playoffs every year.
Why would I retire?
Speaker 12 (48:12):
And I just don't see it happening. You keep read,
you keep Kelsey, you keep Mahomes.
Speaker 11 (48:16):
They got Chris Jones locked in, and then you just
basically cycle through everyone else, right, you got the offensive
line the Chiefs now. I note some guys here at
our network are very happy about it. Chiefs are built
to not go anywhere for the next five years.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Well, you know, I do think so I like Kansas
City close, high scoring, Michael Irvin said, low scoring, you
like Philadelphia in kind of a Route twelve.
Speaker 11 (48:41):
A route I mean you can get a late touchdown
to pull away, and boy, they get that late touchdown.
What do we wear Monday on the show Eagles Green?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
The only way I see Kansas City getting handled is
Philadelphia is not as effective coming from behind.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So, I And remember earlier this year when Philadelphia really
struggled in the first quarter. It was bizarre. They couldn't
score the first quarter. They've gotten over that. They're able
to find their rhythm more quickly. If Philadelphia scores first
and makes a hold, And that's that's where I think.
You get into a situation where if I have the
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better roster and a lead, and I've kind of seized
control of the tempo, I think Philadelphia I wonder like
I will say, the one thing where I would worry
if I'm Philadelphia is Jalen Carter ready to go. He's
been sick all week and he's an absolute disrupt you
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if Jalen Carter is not ready to go. And the
other thing that scares me about Philadelphia really good rookie
corners like this is a I mean you talk. You
talked to veteran players who have been to Super Bowls
and they'll tell you it's different. There are you get
you get nervous and warm ups?
Speaker 12 (50:02):
My homes coming after him.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
You're talking about Mitchell played at Toledo. Guys will play
at Toledo all of a sudden. Yeah, that's the biggest
game in America in the last twelve months. It is
a big Spotlet do you bite on a route? Are
you trying to make a play? Are you apprehensive? So
I can see Andy Reid thinking I got rookie corners.
I'm gonna make him think I'm gonna slow them down.
(50:24):
I'm gonna I And here's the thing with Andy and
I go back to this, Andy Reid with extra time
to prepare, is thirty three and seven. I can't remember
a loss, not bad. That is an insane That is
a Nick Saban in his prime in the sec number.
Speaker 11 (50:38):
So let me go back to the last meeting they
had in the Super Bowl. The Eagles did were not
this good of a team back then. I think we
would agree, Yeah, the Chiefs were better than they are now.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Right, they had Steve, they.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Weren't as good defense. They weren't as good defensively.
Speaker 12 (50:51):
I mean they had Sneak, but they were really.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Young that defense. Remember the audio clip that came out
where you had Chiefs players saying, we won a Super Bowl.
He didn't even know the scheme. I think this is
a much more mature, sophisticated defensive roster that not only
knows the scheme, is arguably the best situational defense in
the entire league. It's been a great week in New Orleans.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a super Bowl week and we
will be in New Orleans Thursday and Friday. It is
a wild Monday when we had probably the most staggering
memorable NBA or sports trade in a long time. Welcome
(00:46):
into the Herd, Jmax joining me. It's hard to dissect
what we saw yesterday because when you just set it
out loud, it looks like the Lakers stole at one
of the time three players in the league and gave
up a very very good player, but not much else.
And LA does have a history of always getting the guy,
(01:09):
the Lakers more so than even the Yankees get the guy.
So they have found their guy for the next we think,
five to ten years, and so let's try to dissect it.
So Nico Harrison has for not very long been the
general manager of Dallas and he's a risk taker. He
did the Kyrie move. Everybody criticized him.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It worked.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
He made that big move at the trade deadline last year.
It got him into the finals. He's taken big swings.
He's different. But this feels like an absolutely egregiously bad moves.
So why did he make the move? Well, let's start
with this. I think the reason that Michael Jordan is
the most popular basketball player of all time. Kobe Bryant's
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up there too, is that relentlessness, that work ethic. It's
not Luca. He's often in poor shape and is a
lousy defender, and he's hurt increasingly more and more and
more due to his bad conditioning. So there's a little
(02:14):
shack in Luca. And the Lakers moved off Shack, right,
They had a choice. They took Kobe the relentless worker.
So is that the reason they moved off him? The
Maverick owners are staring down the barrel of seventy four
million dollars a year contract, and he doesn't defend. He's
(02:37):
hard on teammates, but won't play defense. There's a little barkley,
there's a little shack. He's not the hardest worker. The
max contract now is punitive if you get the wrong guy.
Maybe the owners look at Embiid's mess and Philly or
the Kawhi saga with the Clippers and said, new owners, no,
thank you, not interested. Now. That does not give you
(03:01):
an excuse to give away Luca for one first round pick.
But I do think if there would have been three
first round picks, Anthony Davis and maybe in Austin Reeves. Okay,
I should we consider that phone call. I can make
some sense of it because I don't think Luca is
(03:23):
the perfect player. He has now had three calf injuries
in four years, same calf, hasn't played since Christmas, missed
the last two training camps. There's stuff here and clearly
a general manager who's willing to take massive swings. And
he has hit on the Kyrie move. It's been a hit.
(03:44):
He hit on the trade deadline move. Uh, there's there's
things here. I see Luca is being made out as
the perfect player, and there's a there's a little shack
a prodigy. But the Lakers eventually said we're gonna take
that works harder. I would not have made the trade.
(04:04):
I don't like the trade, but I but I get
the Mbid. The Kawhi, the injuries, the lack of conditioning,
these new Max contract extensions seventy four million a year.
What really bothers me, though, is the lack of resources
they got back. Because I love Anthony Davis. I think
he's a very good player. He's not offensively Luca, but
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he's a much better defensive player, and he's older. But
the lack of resources is unbelievable. They got one draft pick,
Rudy Gobert got four, Kevin Durant got something like nine.
One draft pick, And if you're totally concerned about health
and availability, then why trade for Anthony Davis. It's it's
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there were much better trade partners than the Lakers, and
they they traded it in a vacuum. It's like they
didn't tell anybody it was one team, one first round pick.
That's unforgivable. It's not even like they traded him, it's
like they discarded him. He's like an old surfboard by
somebody who's lived at the beach for twenty years and
bought a new one. Like, I don't even understand it.
(05:16):
Here's Nico Harrison. It's the resources and the lack of
return that to me just say it out loud, sounds
like an awful move. Here's Jason Kidd and Nico Harrison.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
As we turn the page.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I think it's important to know that jakek and I
we've had a vision in the culture that we want
to create since we've been here, and the players that
we're bringing in we believe exemplify that. And you know,
we think defense wins championships and we're bringing in one
of the best two way players in the league.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
It is a little shocking, but like in the sense,
we have to push forward as an organization. As a team,
we have a game to play and we have to
be pros about it. But we understand what Luca has
meant to the Mavericks that we wish him and his
family the best in La also Maxie and Smooth. But
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we have to push forward and we believe we have
a team that can do that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
All right, there's three primary reasons the Lakers stole him.
Number One, he's twenty five. He Dalton connect is twenty four.
This guy's barely in the league. He is just a
new kid. He's twenty five years old, He's already got
fifty playoff games, and he's so gifted offensively. He's never
really been pushed because he's been so good playing in
Europe forever. Number two is he finally lands with a
legend in Lebron James. And I mean, let's be honest
(06:34):
about this. Lebron is so dedicated that he has forced
quirky players before Anthony Davis was soft and J. R.
Smith was squirrely and Kyrie Irving was high maintenance and
he got him to work. And number three is the
Lakers are aspirational franchise with statues everywhere in the building.
And the bottom line here is, I think we're going
to get a more dedicated Luca.
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Speaker 1 (07:04):
Every time I have a big game, I take off
the yellow pad and I give you my favorite ten
players in the game, the ten best players. And it's
tough because I'll just tell you Travis Kelsey doesn't make it.
It's not because he couldn't be the MVP, but I
just don't see it happening. So here we go. Here's
who I believe the ten best players in this game,
and number one is not a big shock. I think
it'st Patrick Mahomes, who was not necessarily great against Houston.
(07:27):
But I've said this with mj there are certain players
in these big moments that are not burdened by pressure.
It's almost as if Mahomes needs the playoff intensity to
elevate himself. Nine consecutive postseason wins, he's number one. I
think number two it's the historic Saquon Barkley. When he
went to Philadelphia with that old line, we said, folks,
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the Giants have just made a franchise mistake. That is egregious.
Fourteen games this year with one hundred plus rush yards. Now,
obviously some of that is the offensive line. He's just different.
He's just a different player. You know, running backs are
hard to describe because all the great ones have had
stylistically kind of a different bent speed, ability to make
(08:11):
you miss jump over through Saquon Barkley at two. I
would put Chris Jones number three. When you're a defensive
lineman and can move anywhere on the defensive line and
you're unblockable on the end, you're unblockable on the interior.
He was the highest graded interior defensive lineman this season,
including the playoffs. You know, remember when they weren't sure
(08:33):
if they were going to pay Chris Jones, and I
believe the future of the NFL you're seeing this a lot.
His teams will pay one great defensive lineman, but pay
most of the money on offense. Chris is number three
for me. Number four is I think Jalen Carter is
virtually unblockable. He's not Chris Jones in terms of consistency yet,
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but he led the team in pressures, tackles for loss, quarterbacks, hits,
and he's got an Aaron Donald vibe, which you have
to start your offensive game plan with. Okay, how do
we get Jalen Carter out of the picture. I'd put
him at four. Jordan Malatta, the highest credit offensive tackle,
I would put him at five. We'll get to Tuney
in a second. I would put Jordan Malatta, who was
(09:15):
the highest credited tackle in the regular season. Now, listen,
Philadelphia's offensive line. They do offensive lines really, really well,
and so you could do multiple players on this, including
Lane Johnson. But I think you know, only two sacks
allowed this year, and only one during the regular season
in five hundred opportunities to pass block, so and you
(09:36):
remember you're blocking the best athlete some would say on
the defense. Number six Joe Toney, he's the best pass
blocking left guard in football. Again, when Kansas City went
and spent that money in New England, right and they
went and bought him, everybody said, WHOA, that is a
lot for a guard. Well, they moved this guy due
to injuries out to left tackle. He's elite at left
(09:58):
tackle as well, and I do believe that Tooney and
the ability to protect Mahomes. Mahomes only lost one game
ugly in his life, in the playoffs when he didn't
get protection against Tom Brady and Tampa. I think number
seven is a J. Brown. Again, you sometimes forget how
good Phillies wide receivers are because they're such a power
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run game. But he was top ten in misstackles and
I think his physicality is really important because I think
Kansas City is the best tackling team in the league.
That's just an eye test. I don't have data to
back that up, but AJ Brown is number seven. Eight
Trent McDuffie, Kansas City tremendous corner second highest graded cornerback
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during the regular season again, they're gonna put him. They're
gonna put him on AJ Brown and say, I mean,
I think you have to with Devonte Smith, AJ Brown,
Dallas Goddard. Getta have to have some one on one
matchups and that's one Kansas City has to win. I
would put Zach Baughn at nine. The guy's unbelievable. He
was a special teams player. He's tremendous in coverage. I
(11:04):
think he's one of the surprise players of the year
in pass coverage this year. This is such a great
stat He's allowed a sixty nine passer rating. That's about
as good as a linebacker can do. And number ten
Jalen Hurts. Again, when you put pressure on Jalen Hurts,
he regresses significantly. But here's the thing, it's hard to
get pressure on Jalen Hurts because of the old line
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in the run game. So there you have my top ten.
I think it comes out to four Chiefs and six
Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Goddard. I mean, there's a lot of
people I'm leaving out unbelievable corners for Philadelphia Mitchell. I mean, again,
there's sixteen guys here who should.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
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Speaker 1 (11:45):
But a couple of years ago. I did this with
San Francisco and Kansas City, and I got the same dilemma.
There's hall of famers that may not make the list.
Travis Kelsey could be the MVP of the game, or
we could have two capses.
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Speaker 1 (13:02):
Drew Brees twenty years in the NFL, fifteen years here.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
That that is interesting. You're you have an encyclopedic memory
and knowledge of this stuff. But go back to your
Super Bowl week. You obviously you have extra time, you
have Sean Payton, you put stuff in? Did you take
stuff out? Or did you go into your Super Bowl
Drew with just more plays than you've never had in
your life.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
No, I don't remember the volume being an issue of
that week because you know, quite honestly, the Colts, the
Colts defense, which wasn't that complicated, you know, that was
that was back in at the time when they were
very much like Tampa two and We're just going to
allow our pass rushers Dwight Freeney and Robert mathis to
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get after you, right, and man, we've got we've got
good players in the secondary that are just going to
keep it in front of them, and we're just going
to kind of manage the game because we know we
have a high scoring offense, you know, on the other side.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
So I don't remember the volume.
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Being an issue necessarily as far as the volume of
plays in the game plan.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
It was more so I think for us, like our
success we.
Speaker 9 (14:12):
Knew was number one, we need to steal a possession
in this game, right, which we did at the start
of the of the second half, right with that on
side kick that we called ambush. But it was it
was really more so like how do we create a rhythm,
you know with our offense against these guys, and and
a level of patience because look, we were a big
play offense too. We were used to you know, kind
(14:33):
of those you know, big play shots down the field,
and I think we just recognized, hey, these guys don't
really give that to us.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
So we're gonna have to run the ball effectively. We're
gonna hit them.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
With the screen game to try to slow down the
pass rush, and then we're just gonna be methodical with
the passing game, which we were super efficient to.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Pass the game.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
And oh, by the way, what that does is it
also chews up the clock and it keeps one of
the best players in the world off the field on
the other side, in Peyton Manning. So quite honestly, like
I see that very much like what the Philadelphia's game
plan should be against the Chiefs this week, which is
run the ball, possess the ball, chew up the clock,
wear down that defense, and keep the best player in
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the world, Patrick Holmes off the field on the other side.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know, it's interesting because I would think a guy
like you and you mentioned Peyton Manning, both of you
very cerebral. I would think short weeks would drive you
crazy and you would love an extra day or a
buy or Super Bowl because you could just fill your
brain with more information.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
So to you.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Extra time, like to you, was it a kid in
the candy store. It's like, hey, I got more time
to like exercise efficiency. How did you limit it?
Speaker 9 (15:43):
Well, sometimes too much time results in over analysis, right right,
and then and then it's paralysis by over analysis, right. So, like, honestly,
I felt like we had a great plan, which was hey,
two weeks prior to the Super Bowl. So the first
week honestly a lot of just good on good competition
with our team, Like we really didn't get into a
(16:06):
lot of the game planning for the Indianapolis Colts. Yes
we were watching film, and yes we were starting to
have an idea of you know how we were going
to attack them, But we did not install our game
plan against the Colts in the week prior to the
Super Bowl. We waited until we actually got to Miami,
which is where we played it.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
And we because we wanted to. We wanted to have
as normal a work week as possible, right, Like.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
That's the that's the toughest thing about the Super Bowl is.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
How do you make the Super Bowl a normal work week?
Speaker 9 (16:36):
You're in a foreign place, practicing in a different facility
that you have to bust to. You're in a hotel
where there's all kinds of chaos going on, Like how
do you order the chaos?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
How do you create some normalcy in a routine?
Speaker 9 (16:47):
And so we did like good on good competitive.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Man weight room.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
That was like our first week, right, and then the
minute we arrived in Miami, it was like, all right,
here we go, flip the switch game plan, Wednesday's base,
Thursday's third Day, Friday's red zone, shortyardage, goal line, Saturday,
Hay's in the barn Man quick walk through, job through boot.
We got it in our mind. Let's go win a
football game.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You know, it's interesting. Brady and Hasselbeck both talked about
this on the show, and this is what has always
been fascinating is that you guys watched so much film
and Hasselbeck talked about homegrun adding something late in the week.
Brady came on and said, we added, we placed that
Seahawk team that had no weaknesses. We came up with
three new plays the night before just because he goes,
(17:31):
I didn't trust our red zone packages. Did Sean with you,
Drew say, listen, I found something on tape, or did
you say, you know, Sean, we got to clean something up.
Anything Saturday night happened.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Yeah, it would from time to time, and a lot
of that was just you know, Sean and my routine
of guy I would always go back on Saturday morning,
which was again our just kind of walk through day,
you know, walk through the game plan. The first fifteen
place of the game, you know, kind of hit some
red zone.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Third down thoughts.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I would watch a couple games on Saturday morning more
so just to kind of go back and just like
feel the flow and the rhythm of a game and
maybe how some other teams that attacked them. And again,
it was just it was very relaxed, but it was
and in that moment you would just kind of be
looking at it through a different lens at that point,
(18:25):
because you were kind of, you know, past what you
thought was the game planning thing, but all of a
sudden you would see something like just a little like
oh wow, I feel like, you know, this may be
a good opportunity or off of this look, maybe a
great opportunity to run a little stutter and go on
that corner, or a double move on this linebacker with
the running back, or you know, just something and it
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at that point though, it had to be like a
game changing thing, like we didn't need another play that
was gonna get us a five to ten yard completion.
We wanted to play that was like, oh no, this
is a shot opportunity. This is a big play opportunity,
like game winner opportunity.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So yeah, we had a couple of those.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
In fact, we were playing Monday night football against the
Miami Dolphins twenty thirteen. Night before the game, we had
this little h choice with Darren Sprolls where he's.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Just gonna kind of run up five yards. He's got
a three way go.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
But I'm like, man, this backer is just so aggressive,
like on film time after time, and he's gonna see
that and he's just gonna be sitting all over and
it's like, hey, Sean, what if we just double move
this guy like right off the bat, you know, and
just like set the tone early. Sure enough, second play
of the game, we run this. We put it in
literally the night before, and man, it works like a.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Charm forty yard completion.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
And that's when you're kind of that's when you're kind
of looking at the sideline live.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know. I run a survey it must have been
fifteen years ago and they were talking about the most
unique cities in the country, and New Orleans was number one.
They said, the vibe, the food, the people. To be
the Saints quarterback here for fifteen years, it's not like
being a quarterback nothing against Seattle or Baltimore. But I mean,
(20:02):
what is it like? This is such a simple question,
but in one of the most unique American cities. What
is it like, What do you remember about being the
Saints quarterback for fifteen years? What sticks to you?
Speaker 9 (20:17):
Well, I think I think the thing that sticks out
most to me is that the community of New Orleans
they were more fans of New Orleans than they even were,
or they were first fans of New Orleans, then they
were fans of the Saints. Like in other words, when
you walked around town, it wasn't like ghost Saints or thanks.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
For what you do for the team. It was like, eh,
thanks for loving this city.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
So it just it just gave you this feeling that, man,
we were all in this whole effort together, and like
people appreciate the fact that my wife Brittany and I
lived right in the heart of the city, like righting
uptown New Orleans, and that we'd be walking the dog
in the park just like everybody else. But we'd be
you know, having gumbo down at you know, the local spot.
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You're just like everybody else, right Like, there was just
this feeling of man, they're just they're just like us,
you know, and they want to be just like us,
and they're just part of this community and part of
this Society and like that was what was so unique
about about this place.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Finally, where do I get one of those sweet Crown
Royal jackets you're wearing? Can you get me one of
those drow.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You know what?
Speaker 9 (21:30):
I'm glad you asked, Colin, Really, buddy, I got one here.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I got one here right man. Look at this sat
a satin starter jacket.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
We got NFL Crown Royal and this is incredible partnership
with Crown Royal. They've been a huge benefactor to our foundation,
helping us with all of our efforts here in New Orleans,
something to build affordable housing, job skills training, build healthcare
facilities around around the state. And they're doing a ton
of things here during Super Bowl Week, donating a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Of money to the Foundation for Louisiana.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
They've got a pop up down in the quarter selling
the jackets, all the proceeds going the foundation. They got
the Crown Rule rig in town that people can go
check out and pack backs for military to be able
to send overseas. So Crown Rule is doing a ton
of great stuff. They've been what four years, the official
whiskey of the NFL. So really appreciate their support of
the Foundation supported Orleans.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And I really appreciate that jacket, Buddy, I really, you know,
won for the time.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I appreciate it's a sharp it's a sharp jacket. It's
got the Super Bowl fifty nine logo on the back.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
So now you have you looking clean, all right.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Drew, Great thing as always, man. I really appreciate your insight.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
This year, Bud.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah, I love this year. Spend time with you.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Thanks calling all right, Drew Brees. That's a great story
that people came up to him and thanks for loving
New Orleans, and that really is I remember reading the
survey eight years ago and they said there's no city
quite like it. And I had a friend who played
in that division at Tampa for years and he said,
going to New Orleans, whether the Saints were good, and
(23:03):
that was pre Drew Brees. He said, it was always different.
It was always a little louder, the crowd was a
little more lubricated. If it was a late afternoon game,
it was. It was a completely different environment. I went
to an LSU game years ago when Nick Saban coached
LSU and they played Oregon State, and a lightning like
hit right next to the stadium and it was crazy
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weather and Oregon State almost beat Nick Saban. It was
JaMarcus Russell, I think was LSU's quarterback. And I can remember,
and I'm serious, I can remember smelling bourbon in the tailgate.
I never experienced anything quite like in LSU tailgate And
it was a wild game, and young Nick Saban was
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at LSU and Oregon State for about a half almost
pulled off the upset.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
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Speaker 1 (24:00):
A time Super Bowl champ and a one time MVP,
Julian Edelman now joining us on the set Fox NFL Sundays.
I always think it's fascinating to talk to you in
moments like this because this game's I've had so many
pros tell me. There's regular season games, there's playoff games,
and then this is the flash light flashball game. Like,
is different? Go to your first series of every Super Bowl?
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Even for you, I mean we're even in New England.
Practices were intense. Yeah, is the first series different?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Is there?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Michael Irvin said in warm up the first time, like
couldn't feel his legs is different.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
It is very different. The lights are brighter, and early
in my career they still had the flashes. So I
used to play on kickoff team and remember you see
those epic shots of all the flashes from the first
kickoff for the Super Bowl, and that first drive is
one of those feel like we gotta get We can't
dip our toe. We got to dive into the water
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type drives where anytime we had a force block. I
remember the first time going and blocking Cam Chancellor and
like the first play, I would always go in and
try to light someone up to clear the cobwebs. Everyone's
a little nervous, everyone's thinking about stuff. It's the first
play of the game. I remember I went in and
lit up, tried to light up Cam Chancellor and he
felt like a rooted tree and it was a big
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hit and it kind of stumbled me. But like after that,
I was like, all right, my feet are wet, I'm
ready to go. And I do think for receivers getting
the ball early. You know, after two week prep, you
know it's a four hour game. You've been through Opening night,
you've been through media night. There's been so many logistics
you've had to cover from taking care of your friends,
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your family, all the distractions. Getting something early is like,
all right, we're involved, now we can get going.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So I agree this game is different.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Everyone's a little bit healthier because of the extra week off.
Everyone's a lot more prepared because you have two weeks
to prep for guys, and it's a whole nother speed.
There's no saving the gas like you saved the gas
a little bit here and there in the regular season,
because it's a long season.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Here, when you have.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Professional athletes that are big, fast and strong, playing relentless,
it's a different game.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I asked Michael this about Jimmy Johnson. I'll ask you
the same question with Belichick. You've often told me that
Bill was so good on Saturday nights. Tom said, this
just buttoning stuff up. What is the pregame speech for
a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
The pregame speech for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 10 (26:37):
It changed every year, but the one that sticks out
was fourteen, when we went ten years without winning a
Super Bowl. It was kind of like our generation of
Patriots first go at it, and he went on this
big speech.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Of everyone's here for a reason.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
The Rob Nikovich's that were long snappers, the Devin mccordy's
that weren't first round draft picks, me who was a quarterback,
the Tom Brady who was getting old. Everyone was kind
of like a misfit or an outcast at that time.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
They couldn't get over the hump.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
And he just reminded us like, we're all here for
a reason, and let's make that reason for a win.
So you know, it was nothing like It wasn't like
al Pacino in any given Sunday.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It was subtle, and he would show clips and.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Highlights of guys in college and guys that, you know,
pivotal pieces of the team, the James Whites, the Shane Vereens,
those guys. He would show everyone like, this is our
reason why we're here, just to you know, And it
did get you fired up and you get all get
all fiery, and then you had to go to two
hour walk through.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But you know, it was good. It was good.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Strangely, despite all the components, You guys were a slow
first quarter Super Bowl team. Were the plays scripted?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Or I?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And I always think Bill had such confidence in his
culture and system that he wouldn't mind. It's like all
Lee in his prime. I'm gonna feel this puppy out.
I'm knock gonna on low the exotics. Why did you
guys start so slowly?
Speaker 10 (28:14):
I think it's it's it's a very hard game to
get a rhythm in. There's longer commercials, there's more commercials,
there's an anticipation by everyone because of the two weeks
I mean and all everything that how big they make
this event, Like you feel that in the first few drives.
And then also I think, uh, he would always say
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it's a you gotta wait for the game to declare.
So guys, there's gonna be a point in the either
the first quarter, the second quarter, or we're on our
script and we're gonna have to adjust to the adjustments
and the game is going to declare. I just remember
him always saying that. And then and yeah, we go
in with a somewhat of a scripted not a West
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Coast twenty five plays script, but we'd have like certain
plays that we knew we wanted to run here and there,
and it was always kind of like, all right, we'll
see how they're playing this play because we have a
counter to this play. Okay, is the d N is
he slooping on this thing? Is he coming out, how's
he playing, how's this often, how's.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This coverage going.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
So it's a lot of feeling each other out, seeing
what the game plan, what they've been working on, any wrinkles,
and it's just one of those things where we're driving
the ball. A couple times we threw you know, we
fumbled it or picked it just once again. A lot
of nerves going to that first drive, lackarhythm because of
all the lengthy timeouts and just guys just trying to
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feel what the game is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You. You hear a lot the critics of Chiefs fatigue,
and I think the ultimate compliment. I remember this with
the Jordan rules and Shaq and Kobe and New England.
It's like, oh, like I always thought to flight Gate
was a joke. I just to me it was just nonsense.
When you hear Chie fatigue and they're getting the calls.
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I do think that Buffalo game, I thought it was
a first down, didn't get it. I mean, the tuck rule,
it is what it is. There were thirteen minutes left
in that game with Buffalo, make a play. But you've
been in that world where you're kind of the villain.
Was it inspiring. Did you care?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It was definitely inspiring.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
And if this is the if this is the worst
thing they get is that the refs call for them
like we went through a couple gates, you know, like that,
that they'd get off easy. If this is if this
is the length of how much people are getting on them.
But I think it's a it's one of those things
where everyone says stuff about you. It kind of it's
the biggest compliment where everyone has to come up with
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excuses instead of just beating you. So it's the ultimate compliment.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I do think there's a real connectivity between you and
the Patriots or you and the Chiefs. It's a star coach,
star quarterback often going into a Super Bowl where people
think to see so the Eagles have better players or
the Niners, but you're both. You and the Chiefs are
so great in situations, circumstantially, situationally, so strong. You won
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a lot of close games, and that's why it's so
ironic that you lost with the Giants twice in close games.
Did you feel it was an advantage having those games
with Baltimore and Peyton, Manning and Pittsburgh like games that
were in doubt with four minutes left? Does that play
a part in the Super Bowl? Like I've kind of
been here.
Speaker 10 (31:34):
It does play a part because it's a bit of experience.
I remember when we were down what New Orleans Week four,
two scores with a minute and thirty. We came back
and won that game, Kemberroll Tompkins on the sideline on
the with played with time ending.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Like that was on Week four.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
But that feeling that guys felt that you can come
from behind when it's against all odds that lasts the
whole season.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's a bit of experience.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
So I do think that all these close games that
the Chiefs have played in that's just built to their
situational football. Like whenever the game was close, we understood that.
Our coach always talked about being a tough mentally, tough,
physical team that performs under pressure in situations consistently, and.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That's what the Chiefs have done.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
If you look at a lot of their stats, they're
not explosive by any means, but they're ten percent higher
than last year. On third down they have like some
forty nine ten play plus drives and what's that. That's
them evolving their team knowing that they have a great
defense and having these long drives and adjusting their team
to winning the game. A lot of these teams they
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get all infatuated with having the best running offense or
the best passing offense or this that the Chiefs just
worry about getting one more point than the other team.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
That's where they're at in their career.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
You know, Mahomes and Kelsey, there's a lot of times
that I just think they look at each other, you clearly,
especially like by the time you're getting to Atlanta and
that Super Bowl, were there times that you did go
off script where there was a Super Bowl moment where
Tom looked at you and it was one of those
where maybe it tried it and it didn't work, and
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you kind of just felt like, does that happen in
the game of this magnitude?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
It does happen. Super Bowl forty nine, Seattle.
Speaker 10 (33:29):
It was a third down in that last drive before
when we were going down to score.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
After I took that big hit.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
It was the next drive there was a has Z
juke where I have a juke route in the middle
of the route, and they did they.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Dropped a pe dropper.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
So there was eight guys in coverage three Russian and
the guy dropped out and I brought my depth deeper
and went around him, and we ended up converting the
third down. And me and Tom literally just talked about
this play like it wasn't on there, but because of
the time on task that we had with each other
and the trust that we had with each other, Like
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he he trusted my eyes in that situation, and I
trusted his throw in that situation.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I remember that play, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (34:12):
So a lot of that happens through the reps and
the preparation that you've had for years with guys. I mean,
Travis and Patrick can finish each other's sentences because they've
seen the same looks football. There's only six coverages. Okay,
let's break it down. It's not rocket science. There's only
so many things they can actually do, and they've seen
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everything multiple times. So when they see a messed up
look with a look, they can determine without even talking, Hey,
we know what we're doing because Thursday practice we hit
this remember on the and they don't even have to
say anything.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Non verbal comps.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
What do you do on Friday before the Super Bowl?
What's that?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Practice?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Like Friday's fast Friday.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
So it's it's a very mental fast practice, no balls
on the ground, crossing the t's dot in the eyes,
going over certain situations that may have gave you some
trouble early that week in practice or the prior week
of practice back at home.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You go over all.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
That, you tighten it up, you get a little lift in.
It's very fast, it's very mental. And then like usually
Friday night, this is like your last day to hang
out and see your family. Then you're going zero dark
thirty Lebron style after that. So you have your night
where they probably some like welcome the families to the
Super Bowl thing, you say hi to your family, You
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have a dinner potentially, and then after that tomorrow you
have your picture day and it's a big mental day,
walk through day.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
You're kind of getting your treatment in.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
You're trying to calm the storm before you know it's
real calm.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
And like today is like your last day.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
This is your last day physically to go out and
rep something. Now you can have a thousand different Like
in Seattle, when we felt like we needed more man
coverage plays in the red area.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
We had all the hay in the barn.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
That week's of practice, that two weeks of practice, we
put in like three or four plays in the red
area Saturday night before the game, the ex return where
I scored, and then the Danny touchdown where he had
it was the four crossers in the red area.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
We we knew, we felt like we need.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
I don't know where we got it, but Josh and
Tom they said we need some more. I remember Tom
saying we need something else with the I want to easier. Look,
I don't want to have to process here here here
in the red area. So we put those tuesplays in
and we repped it night before. So like there's a
lot of the crossing, the t's dot in the eyes,
finishing the family right now today, Friday, Saturday, it's zero
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dark thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Did bid Bill give you? I mean, you guys had
some some of you were young. You were young at
one point, Did Bill give you a night on the town? Yeah, Tuesday,
so you can go to.
Speaker 10 (36:49):
Do whatever Monday night off Tuesday or there was no
there's no curfew Monday Tuesday. You had like a regular
off day Tuesday where you're expected to kind of go
in and get some treatment, watch some film, but it's
not mandatory, but you looked at differently if you don't
do it, uh, you know. So, yeah, guys would go
out on a Monday. I remember going my first Super
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Bowl before I was really playing it that many times
in Indie, hanging with Cope and drinking a couple of
beers and just talking old war stories he had that
happened we have.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
We had that.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
Yeah, we had fun. I know, I know everyone thinks
we didn't have fun. You know, I know, it's real fun.
Going to the damn parade the next.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Day, that's fun. Yeah, the you know, it's by the end.
With Tom, he was so iconic. I mean, Tom was
so big. I still I was at the Atlanta super Bowl.
I don't know. To me, that is I thought everything changed.
I thought, Tom, you know, there was all this ridiculous
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talk for years, well you know, the system. And then
I thought, after the Atlanta super Bowl, It's like we
just watched the best player that's ever played football play.
You of course had the catch. I thought everything felt different.
You guys were a dynasty. It felt like Tom sort
of went into the galaxy of Oh he's above Montana,
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he's above l Way take me beyond the catch and
the catch, what do you remember about at the end
of the because that I went back looked the highlights
two nights ago. I mean, every play Julian in the
last every play in the last half hour mattered.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Was that the most intense environment ever?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
You know, I don't think so.
Speaker 10 (38:31):
It was intense, but it wasn't the most because once again,
like we were talking about earlier, we had that situation
where you're down ten points against Seattle in the fourth
quarter before and had the biggest comeback from behind victory. Now,
that experience helped us going forward to this one, but
we did. I mean, you did feel that Tom hit
a different stratosphere after we won that game, because you know,
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he overcame Bradshaw Montana got to five. But I always
tell the story like before, for that year, we were
training in LA and on the whiteboard, Tom had the
address to the super Bowl in Arizona, and I asked him,
what's this and you know, he says, it's a super
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Bowl and I was like, man, I can't wait to
get you past Joe.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I want to get you past Joe. We got to
catch Joe because we were both San Francisco forty nine
er fans. He looked at me and didn't miss a
beat and said, I'm going for Jordan.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
I'm not going for Joe. And then after that when
we won that game, I said, We're going for Jordans.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
It was He's got a podcast, Games with Names. Fox
NFL kickoff Sundays in the fall on Fox. Three super Bowls,
one super Bowl MVP, and it's great. Stinging man, You've
always been so good for us.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You guys are awesome. You guys, this is awesome. How fun?
Is this?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Not?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Bad?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
New Orleans?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Catch Julian super Bowl pregame coverage starts at one pm Eastern.
Quite a day on Fox. Take a break live in
the Crescent City. We turn off for this.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
at noon Eastern a EM Pacific.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
We are ready for the gumbo of game time headlines
with jamac.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
What would.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Super Bowl Week be without closing out a segment? How
long we've been doing this about? I think this is
year seven. I think because you were doing this on
the show before. Yes, you were in the chair. Yeah,
so we were doing this for several years. It was
it was crushing.
Speaker 11 (40:38):
It was just such a powerful segment that you're like,
we gotta.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Bring this on every week, reshaping the industry, much like
Mahomes has done to the NFL. All right, tomorrows headlines today,
super Bowl fifty nine, what's going to be the headline?
Speaker 11 (40:53):
All right, let's get the pick out of the way early, Colin.
You know I've been on the Eagles all season. I've
been I'm a Chiefs hater. The headline will be tush, shush,
be quiet about the Chiefs.
Speaker 12 (41:05):
Three p the Eagles.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
Colin, Just like last year when I picked the better team,
I'm going with the better team again.
Speaker 12 (41:11):
Now it didn't quite work out last year.
Speaker 11 (41:13):
Niners did lead ten to nothing and then kind of
collapse a little bit. Special teams missque and they blow
it in overtime. I don't see the Eagles doing that.
And Colin, I have legit concerns about the Chiefs offense
having success against his Eagles defense.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I know you don't.
Speaker 12 (41:26):
And you look at some of these numbers from Mitchell.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
The rookie cornerback, I mean hel Terry McLaurin had to
head one catch in the NFC Championship game to get
the games against Pooka.
Speaker 12 (41:35):
Pooka had two catches.
Speaker 11 (41:36):
He can't Mitchell is a lockdown guy. I think Patrick
Mahomes is gonna have to attack Darius Slay, who can
make big plays. And I just I don't see the
Chiefs offense having a ton of success. I love this
Eagles defense.
Speaker 12 (41:48):
I'm going thirty one to nineteen.
Speaker 11 (41:51):
I know it's a double digit win. Little old spread
action if you're into it. I just think this is
a really good Eagles team. I think the best offensive
line in the league. Man handles Chris Jones and company.
And I see that look on your face. Eagles beat
the Chiefs, no three peat?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Colin sounds like you're betting with your heart. Tomorrow's headlines today,
Who's gonna be the MVP of Super Bowl fifty nine?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
All right?
Speaker 11 (42:15):
You know I love to fade narratives. The media is
all over a certain player.
Speaker 12 (42:19):
Well, he's not that good, he's not a top five guy.
Speaker 11 (42:22):
The headline for MVP, well, pte squat goals, quarterback puts.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Bros on his back.
Speaker 12 (42:29):
Give me Jalen Hurts is the MVP.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I know.
Speaker 12 (42:31):
Listen, Saquon's gonna have a good game.
Speaker 11 (42:32):
I did bet some Saquon props, but I think Hurts
is gonna be the guy, and the narrative colin around
Hurts is weird.
Speaker 12 (42:38):
He had one three hundred yard game this season?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Is he that good?
Speaker 12 (42:41):
He had two games over two hundred fifty yards?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
How good is he?
Speaker 11 (42:45):
But he's playing to the team's strengths. But this is
where things I think will change. Spagnolo, He's gonna cook
up something to slow Saquon Barkley. Nobody's been able to
do that this season. He's having an unbelievable year. I
think Hirts can deliver and I just look at that
last Super.
Speaker 12 (42:58):
Bowl against the Chiefs, Coluin, unbelievable.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
You and I would agree best player on the field
last Super Bowl with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
It was very good.
Speaker 12 (43:05):
And I know he had the fumbles, scoop and score.
Speaker 11 (43:07):
But last thirteen games that he started and finished thirty
three touchdowns one turnover for Jalen Hurts. The guy is
underrated if that's possible, and I think he captures the MVP.
I think you can get him at like plus three
seventy or something like that.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
All right, So if you think it's thirty one nineteen
tomorrow's headlines today, What in the world is the headline
for the Chiefs.
Speaker 11 (43:29):
Yeah, listen, I know Kansas City Chiefs fans are all
over the town. We see a lot of them in
here in the background. It's gonna be a tough one.
The headline will be acid refluck, zebra's leaves, shelf, Chiefs
stomach shirting.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (43:45):
One of the big stories in the.
Speaker 11 (43:47):
Postseason has been the Kansas City Chiefs and the refs.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
Nobody likes that. We don't like talking about the refs.
You hate it, Okay.
Speaker 11 (43:53):
I don't think the refs will be a huge story here.
And if you look at the last two Super Bowls, Colin,
Kansas City's offensive line has not been called for one
holding up one in the last two Super Bowls. But
this will be This is your weakest offensive line, I
believe since that Tampa Super Bowl and the Eagles defensive
line I believe.
Speaker 12 (44:10):
Has a big edge.
Speaker 11 (44:11):
I do think Tony's gonna have to probably move around.
I don't think you can keep him a left tackle.
Maybe kick him back inside to double Carter and Davis.
I do think we're gonna see some issues and uh,
maybe the Chiefs fans.
Speaker 12 (44:22):
Will be like, hey, we're the rest. I thought we
had him in the back pocket. Obviously we're having some fun.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Here go Eagles.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Okay, what will be the headline then for Andy Reid?
Tomorrow's headlines? Today? If the Chiefs lose? What's gonna be
the headline for Andy Reid after the loss?
Speaker 11 (44:39):
You know, Reid has come out and said I'm coming
back no matter what. You know, we kind of sort
of believe him, right, Andy Reid? Why would he lie
to us? The headline for Andy Reid will be the
read hot Chitli Peppers. Andy keeps the band together.
Speaker 12 (44:53):
I don't think he's going anywhere. You and I agree,
what he's a sixty.
Speaker 11 (44:56):
Six turning sixty seven here in March, but he's youthful.
He's a youthful sixty six, if that's such a thing.
And you see Belichick's doing his new thing in college
football now, I don't see Reid doing that. He's he's
too good of a coach to just walk away.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
To creative, to just sit on a rocking chair. I mean,
he's got.
Speaker 12 (45:11):
Patrick Mahomes in his prime.
Speaker 10 (45:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
You know, there's some other players that could be moving on.
Speaker 11 (45:15):
But I think Reid sticks around, and he's a great guy,
great ambassador for the NFL.
Speaker 12 (45:19):
So Andy Reid will be sticking around.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, there are dialing up x's and o's for mahomes, beats,
crossword puzzles come on. Of course, if you're still having
fun and being paid, well, keep doing what you're doing.
All right? For a coach that I don't get his methodology,
but he wins tomorrow's headlines today, Nick Siriani has to
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be held back often from his own fans. What's the headline?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Sid?
Speaker 12 (45:46):
He had a much maligned year.
Speaker 11 (45:47):
I don't know if any show beat up Sirianni the
way we did, and he's had some missteps. However, the
headline for Nick Sirianni will be sorry, not Sirianni. Nick
makes no apollo, and I think with a Super Bowl win, Colin,
we remember Andy Reid's amazing run in Philly. Andy Reid
was known as a guy who could not win the
big game. I looked this up one and four in
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NFC championship games. Sirianni's back in the Super Bowl, Like,
come on, like this guy's maybe he's a good coach,
his methodology doesn't line up with what we would do
and operate. But Sirianni wins this and Colin again, I
go back to Andy Reid, like he had great players,
Donovan mcdabb could not.
Speaker 12 (46:26):
Win a Super Bowl. Sirianni does it with Jalen Hurts,
who was a second round pick.
Speaker 11 (46:30):
I think we got to start to give him as
props and maybe back off the is he gonna get
fired kind of deal.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah. I mean it's I've found through the years, you
can be kind of polarized that you could be Bill
Parcell's confrontational, you can be a little bit more chill,
Tony Dungee. You can beat an offensive coach, Andy Reid,
Sean Paytona, Chuck Noll, Belichick defensive coaches. I think one
(46:59):
thing I've come to terms with through the years, I mean,
Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. So did Doug Peterson.
There's a lot of different ways to win Super Bowls. Now,
partly because of who he's dating, there's a lot of
speculation around one Travis Kelcey, So our final one Tomorrow's
headlines today? What is the headline for in Super Bowl
(47:24):
fifty nine for Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
Yeah, Like I said earlier, Kelsey coming off his worst
playoff game. I think he had two catches, wasn't a
factor in the offense, and it didn't matter. They still
took down the Bills. The headline for Travis Kelcey will
be we are never ever retiring.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Ever.
Speaker 12 (47:42):
I don't see Travis Kelsey going anywhere.
Speaker 11 (47:44):
I mean, I think he leads the league in commercials
or he's up there. He's just making money.
Speaker 12 (47:47):
He's dating Taylor Swift, He's got a great life.
Speaker 11 (47:49):
And I don't want to criticize his regular season, but
he kind of slept, walked through it.
Speaker 12 (47:53):
He was not amazing, putting up like massive.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
So they didn't even play well against Houston.
Speaker 12 (47:57):
He did not well.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
He was good, he was good.
Speaker 12 (48:00):
He was not just amazing all season.
Speaker 11 (48:02):
But again, like they're now playing for super Bowls. You
heard Edelman say, hey man, I don't want to catch Montana.
I want to catch Jordan. I think Travis Kelcey just
think super Bowls. We're going to the playoffs every year.
Why would I retire?
Speaker 12 (48:12):
And I just don't see it happening. You keep read,
you keep Kelsey, you keep Mahomes.
Speaker 11 (48:16):
They got Chris Jones locked in, and then you just
basically cycle through everyone else, right, you got the offensive
line the Chiefs now. I note some guys here at
our network are very happy about it. Chiefs are built
to not go anywhere for the next five years.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Well, you know, I do think so I like Kansas
City close, high scoring, Michael Irvin said, low scoring, you
like Philadelphia in kind of a Route twelve.
Speaker 11 (48:41):
A route I mean you can get a late touchdown
to pull away, and boy, they get that late touchdown.
What do we wear Monday on the show Eagles Green?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
The only way I see Kansas City getting handled is
Philadelphia is not as effective coming from behind.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So, I And remember earlier this year when Philadelphia really
struggled in the first quarter. It was bizarre. They couldn't
score the first quarter. They've gotten over that. They're able
to find their rhythm more quickly. If Philadelphia scores first
and makes a hold, And that's that's where I think.
You get into a situation where if I have the
(49:26):
better roster and a lead, and I've kind of seized
control of the tempo, I think Philadelphia I wonder like
I will say, the one thing where I would worry
if I'm Philadelphia is Jalen Carter ready to go. He's
been sick all week and he's an absolute disrupt you
(49:46):
if Jalen Carter is not ready to go. And the
other thing that scares me about Philadelphia really good rookie
corners like this is a I mean you talk. You
talked to veteran players who have been to Super Bowls
and they'll tell you it's different. There are you get
you get nervous and warm ups?
Speaker 12 (50:02):
My homes coming after him.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
You're talking about Mitchell played at Toledo. Guys will play
at Toledo all of a sudden. Yeah, that's the biggest
game in America in the last twelve months. It is
a big Spotlet do you bite on a route? Are
you trying to make a play? Are you apprehensive? So
I can see Andy Reid thinking I got rookie corners.
I'm gonna make him think I'm gonna slow them down.
(50:24):
I'm gonna I And here's the thing with Andy and
I go back to this, Andy Reid with extra time
to prepare, is thirty three and seven. I can't remember
a loss, not bad. That is an insane That is
a Nick Saban in his prime in the sec number.
Speaker 11 (50:38):
So let me go back to the last meeting they
had in the Super Bowl. The Eagles did were not
this good of a team back then. I think we
would agree, Yeah, the Chiefs were better than they are now.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Right, they had Steve, they.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Weren't as good defense. They weren't as good defensively.
Speaker 12 (50:51):
I mean they had Sneak, but they were really.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Young that defense. Remember the audio clip that came out
where you had Chiefs players saying, we won a Super Bowl.
He didn't even know the scheme. I think this is
a much more mature, sophisticated defensive roster that not only
knows the scheme, is arguably the best situational defense in
the entire league. It's been a great week in New Orleans.
(51:14):
Super Bowl fifty nine. Thanks so much, See you next week.
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