April 7, 2025 • 41 mins
Will Cooper Flagg's stock start to fall after Duke's loss in the Final Four?
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Guest: Jordan Schultz
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Our number two here on the Herd. Yes, it's a
beautiful Monday morning and Colin Cowhard is fishing somewhere with
beautiful blue waters. Jason McIntyre in joined by Alex Curry,
Alex Bringer, Dodger brew. Even though it wasn't a great
weekend for the Dodgers, it was all around.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
It's okay, though it's gonna be fun. It was great,
you know, and you got to put mad respect and
we talked about it last hour. Bryce Harper's comment on
only Leser's complain about what the Dodger was doing.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
And then they came out and they took the series
against the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
That's what real competitors do, so respect.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We got Jordan Schultz coming up soon, folks. This was
a first for me in the morning meeting. You know,
we got the great morning meeting with our staff, and
I said, guys, do we have any Cowboys material? Because
I have some jew I have what I think in
my head it's an amazing line about the Cowboys. But but
we don't have any Cowboys talk today. But it's fine.
Jordan Schult's coming up. A lot of chador standers stuff.
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It is smoke screen season in the NFL Draft. I'll
just preface it with that some Jaylen Milroe news. Yeah,
my guy, I see you out there, bear Fulika, I
know you don't love him. That's fine. We'll do that
coming up. But first we need to start this hour
with a quick brief Cooper Flag discussion. Okay, I'll preface this.
I am extremely bullish on Cooper Flag's and NBA prospects.
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I think he's going to be a superstar. Okay, not
everybody on staff fields the same way. And I saw
a lot of weird dislike for Cooper Flag Saturday Night
online and in person. Guys I'm hanging out with, they're like,
Ray's a little overrated. Okay, So let's start with Saturday
Night Flag twenty seven points, seven boards, five assists, three blocks.
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He leads Duke in practically every single statistical category that matters.
He's a six to nine eighteen year old freshman. And
if you remember a few weeks ago on the show,
you know, Cowhard keeps pushing this. I see Jason Tatum
in Cooper Flag, and I get that. It's not a
bad comparison.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Duke.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Guys, people love the cross cultural, you know, black white
comp I get all that, and I see the Tatum.
I see a little bit of Tatum. Other people I've
seen AK forty seven, Andre Kirolinko. I'm sure people are
scoffing at that, but like a five tool guy who
can do it all. So remember I asked chat GPT,
what's the best comp for Cooper Flag given size, length, measurement, scoring,
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blah blah blah blah blah, and chat GPT, which is
according to Michael Scott. You know, if chat GPT existed,
doing the office did never wrong. Kevin Gartnett is the
best comparison for Cooper Flag, and I love that comparison personally.
But remember when KG came out, he was wiry. He
was a straight high school to I think he was
(03:05):
Farragut Academy in Chicago. To the pros and Kenvicgarnett was
like a young skinny guy, kind of like, uh, one
of those animals that's just born and is like struggling
to find its footing. It took him a couple of
years and then he was a beast. I think Cooper
Flag is going to have a more stronger impact than
his rookie year, for sure than KG. I do believe
the ceiling is massive for Cooper Flag. Now, interesting question
(03:28):
I'm gonna post to you the audience. Okay, if I
told you over under one and a half career MVPs
for Cooper Flag, you're going over? Are you going under
one and a half? Steve Nash has two? Shack I
think has one, Kobe should have more. I'm going the
over on Cooper Flag. Guys over one and a half MVPs.
(03:51):
I'm probably going irrational here, but I want to remind
you you could go find this on YouTube last summer
USA basketball camp. Yes, J Mackett was just image settle down. Okay,
Cooper Flag's leading like the B team against the starters
and here, oh we got the footage year. So if
you that play that we just read, Gosh, his staff
is good. Okay, Cooper Flag brings the ball up the
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court six' nine and he's being guarded full court By Drew,
holliday an elite, defender a superstar in THE. Nba Drew
holiday is a. Superstar whin's you started? With The? Bucks
goes to The. Celtics when's it? Like he's really really?
Good Cooper flag brings it up Against Drew holliday's. Pressure
he gets the switch Onto Anthony. Davis, Okay Anthony davis
a great. Defender look at ad here we go pull
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up what three right in his? Eye That's Kevin garnett.
Type i'm, Sorry Kevin durant type. Stuff, guys don't sleep on.
This Cooper flag as a one, LOSS i need to
remind you. Again Zion, williamson who was a freak coming
out Of duke generational. Talent, okay he ain't sniff in NO.
Mvp he. Can't he's eating his way out of the.
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League he cannot Handle New. Orleans he can't stay. Healthy
Cooper flag gonna be better pro Than. Zion. Now zion's
had some immense highs where he was scoring at a
shack like rate in the. Paint just can't sustain. IT
i Think Cooper flag's gonna be. Better he's eighteen years.
Old he was seventeen earlier in the season when he
was dropping twenty on folks at seventeen AND i, guess,
oh we got A John shire bite from the. Loss
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don't let this loss For Cooper flag define.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Him you go from some of the most special moments
in the tournament to the most heartbreaking. Loss And i'm
not about to feel sorry for one. Second these guys
have done an incredible. Job it's, heartbreaking it's incredibly. Disappointing
there's a lot of pain that comes with. Us that's
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what the tournament is all.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
ABOUT i didn't like that he faded. Away he did
that a couple times in the final ten minutes against
The houston. Pressure that's. Fine i'll leave you with two. Notes,
okay last WEEK i floated the, idea if The Charlotte
hornets win the, lottery you Draft Cooper flag and you
Trade LaMelo. Ball i'm getting murdered on YouTube all weekend
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in the comment. Section this got On No. Ball LaMelo's.
Amazing i'm just telling, you that's an oil and water.
Mix LaMelo's i gotta get my kind of. Guy he's
a great, passer but he don't like to. Pass he's
like A Monta ellis, right just a bucket. Getter now
he's a bigger. VERSION i think you got to move
off him and Make Cooper flag your. Guy and the
final note as to, WHY i think we're feeling some
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pushback And i'm gonna just wedge this one. In Cooper
flag's the best White american basketball prospects Since Larry. Bird
it's been about forty. Years, okay all The euros, dominating
they're Not. Americans Cooper flag is An. American we're in
an error right, now very divisive in this. COUNTRY a
lot of people don't like THE nba for a certain.
REASON i Think Cooper fly is gonna have that kind
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of positive impact on THE nba next. Season all, right
let's get to our, Guest Jordan, SCHULTZ Nfl Fox. Insider
MISTER Nfl, JORDAN i know you you're a big hoops.
Fan come, on you, Played we've, Talked you've played some.
HOOPS i tried to get to him in men's league.
Team give me your quick dime store thoughts On Cooper
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flag before we get to THE.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
Nfl.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
OH i think he is as good a prospect as
we've seen to come.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Out in the last. Decade absolutely love.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
Him it's frustrating to See duke lose because this was
the best team they've.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
HAD i think they were even better than.
Speaker 9 (07:24):
The zion team that didn't go to The final. Four
BUT i don't see any weakness you mentioned he. Reclassified
he really should be in high. SCHOOL i don't see
any weakness with. Him love, him and he is a
as good a can't miss as you can.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Find all, right let's pivot to THE, nfl where you
just are on such a here breaking news left and. Right, So,
JORDAN i know you're best friends With Jamar chase now
and a lot of the players around the LEAGUE i
see on THE ig taking photos of. THEM i got
to start with Shador standers and, listen we know it
is smoke screen. Season what the hell's going on with Shador.
STANDERS i saw A tennessee report That i've never seen this.
(08:01):
Wording we have mutually agreed to cancel our whatever it,
was The Tennessee titans this. Year we mutually agreed to not. Meet,
like what's? Happening what does that?
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Mean J?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Mack, yeah all that means is, well two.
Speaker 9 (08:16):
Things one is that Cam ward is probably gonna go number,
one which.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
We've been saying for the last month or.
Speaker 9 (08:22):
So and, secondly it means That Shadoor sanders actually had
a fantastic pro day and why would they Cancel because
they saw everything they needed to, see not Just, tennessee
BUT i think everyone else. Did so if you look
at where his ceiling, IS i think it's potentially two
or three With cleveland And New, york and then you
Have New orleans at, nine and then you Have pittsburgh
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at twenty. One so there are some scenarios in which
he doesn't go in the top.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Five that's.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
Possible but a top level executive who was In boulder
for the pro day told me that what he saw
from should or J mack was not just the accuracy
and the, catchability but the velocity on the.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Football and why that matters.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
Is because he has been typecast and fair or not
throughout this process as not having maybe the STRONGEST nfl.
Aren't but what we saw In boulder was an added
velocity five to ten, percent and that's going to help
him when it comes to the draft.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Process all, Right.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So, Jordan i'm not usually a conspiracy theorist at, large
but when it comes to THE Nfl, DRAFT, i for
some reason get sucked into this. Nonsense so remember a
couple months, Ago dion was, Act, hey are you going
to try to like steer your guy? Right you're some
somewhere the Way elway Steered john And Eli manning also
his family kind of steers. Us, yeah are we going
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to see that In dion's, like, YEAH i don't want
to play for certain? Teams and now we haven't heard
that's all of a sudden backed. Off and you combine
that With shador allegedly he's not a great. ATHLETE i
HEAR i keep hearing. THIS i don't get. It if
he wanted to disprove, everybody wouldn't he just do the
vertical and the three cone and run all that stuff
and be, like, Look i'm an. Athlete is he trying
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to steer himself to a certain team by not giving
away everything showing everybody what he's?
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Got, no BECAUSE i think a lot of guys NOW
J mack are not doing all those, measurements and for,
him for shaudor, specifically IT'S i would push back and, say,
actually he's a good, athlete he's just not a great.
Runner he's, fast he's not. Electric he can maneuver.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
The pocket, enough but he is a pocket.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
Guy so there are certain things That shador does That
cam doesn't, do and vice.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Versa and you can even Put.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Jackson, Dart, Milroe Tyler schuck in that. Conversation all these
guys have their attributes really well that they do and
then they have. Weaknesses this is not anywhere near the
type of class that we saw last year where you had,
one two three With caleb And daniels And may and
Even pennix McCarthy And.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Knicks this is not that level.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
Class But Shador sanders is going to be a starting,
caliber high end, QUARTERBACK i. Believe and why he's not
doing the forty in the cone, drills that's up to.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Interpretation BUT i think.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
A big part of it is because he recognizes that
what he does best isn't really going to show when
it comes to the. Drills he is a pocket. Guy
he throws a really accurate. Ball someone told me an
an executive told me it's basically like a twenty yard.
Handoff that's his. Game AND i think when it comes
To shor at the next, level he's probably ready to.
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Go now more so than people realize because he's played
so much football At jackson and At colorado in because
his game really is a pro level pocket.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Game all, Right, jordan this is a little tougher and,
again and nobody wants to admit. This, okay you AND,
i EVERY nfl, team every front, office we have to be.
Real the three best quarterbacks in THE nfl right, now
none of them went top. Five Josh, Allen Patrick mahomes
And Lamar. Jackson none of them went top. Five it
is a factual statement to say nobody in THE nfl
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knows what the hell they're doing when drafting a. Quarterback
we Saw Masarati mitch because he.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Was a great.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Athlete, oh we gotta take, him you gotta TAKE.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I love.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
It Zach wilson Throw sorry About Masara Mazda. Mitch he's
not A. Maserati we Saw maaza mich The Mormon. Mahomes
Zach wilson just crush it. Apart, oh look at. It
he throws a beautiful.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Ball we got sucked.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Into taking in. Second, overall nobody knows what they're. Doing
there's a world Where shadur isn't. Awesome he's like A Drew.
BREES i don't know he's, accurate makes every, Pass, like
can we just admit that we don't know what we're
doing at quarterback when it comes to THE? Nfl is that?
Speaker 9 (12:29):
Okay nobody knows less than me when it comes to evaluating.
Quarterbacks this is a fifty to fifty at best at
Best jmack. Situation and one of the REASONS i Think
shadora is so interesting is because there has been so
much pushback on whether or not he's going to be
the next superstar, quarterback the next star, quarterback and because
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he has the blood lines With dion.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
And obviously everything that goes with.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
It you can also, say AND i would look at
AND i know we want to talk About Joe.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Milton look at What New england just.
Speaker 9 (13:01):
Did, okay because they just Traded Joe milton a few days.
Ago it was a pretty big deal for that to
happen right before the.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Draft and the REASON i bring that up goes back
to your.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
Question when it comes to evaluating, quarterbacks fifty to fifty at,
best the best solution to, it whether It's, Shador, Jackson,
dart any of these, guys is to get multiple. Quarterbacks
you go back to What philly did when they Had Carson,
wentz they Draft Yland Hurts.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Washington when they HAD rg, three they Got Kirk.
Speaker 9 (13:30):
Cousins and even now if you think About, dallas they
Have Dak.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Prescott they just Got Joe.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Milton that is actually ironic Because Elliott, wolfe who's the
de FACTO gm In New, england his dad Is ron
Wolf he Drafted Brett, favre and obviously his theory, was
let me get a, quarterback a new quarterback every, year
basically as a.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Backup this is the quarterback. Business the right move.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Is to get as many of these guys as, possible
acquire as much talent at the hardest position to, evaluate
not only in football but in all of pro.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Sports that's the.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
Solution SO i actually Gave dallas a lot of, credit
AND i think a lot of these teams that are
drafting quarterbacks when they already have a, quarterback that's the right.
Move and so when it comes to whoever it Gets
sanders Or.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Dart Or, milrow it would be it would behoove.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Them in my, opinion to get another, version another, guy
or to have a veteran on the roster so that
you can absolutely give yourself the best, POSSIBLE.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
I would say scenario at getting this thing.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Right one hundred percent. Agree all, right let's go To
it was a news blip over the, weekend didn't get much,
Attention but to a guy who's been championing this, dude
it got a lot in my. Mind Jalen molroe has
accepted an invite to the green room In Green. Bay, Hmm,
jordan we haven't heard jack squat About Jalen molrow in two.
Months it's All jackson darts rising. Up, hey look, out
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he could go top. TEN i keep coming back to, This.
Jordan we saw a full season Of, Shador we saw
a full season Of. MILROE i know it was up
and down at, times but those guys best is freaking.
Phenomenal AND i am of the belief That Jalen milroe
had some kind of promise in the top, twenty or
he would not be going to the green room to
maybe get the Will levis. Treatment remember a year ago this,
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Time jordan no cap as a, kid say Will levis top,
five he could go number, three remember that that was
a real. Thing yeah he fell to the second. Round
it's two years.
Speaker 9 (15:21):
Ago, Sorry, yeah It's Dolie, levis It's Matt, carral It's Malik.
Willis we've had a lot of these quarterbacks with a
lot of hype and then they don't end up going
where they potentially thought they. WOULD i don't know Where
jayalen mill is going to get. Drafted WHAT i do
know About Jalen milroe is he is the best, athlete
arguably in the. Draft he has a special special combination of, size, speed, athleticism.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Running us up basically a four to three at two
hundred and twenty. POUNDS i think what.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
The big question is is what's his upside as a?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Passer?
Speaker 9 (15:55):
Now what he does really well and why he's going
to go probably higher than most people, think whether it's top,
Twenty i'm not. Sure is he has a very very
good deep. Ball he showcased that the last two. Years
THE nfl in many ways has transitioned to not being
so much default. Oriented But milroe has a very strong,
arm a very good deep, ball and as one executive told,
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me he eats up zone. Coverage so a lot of
these clubs now are running zone. Defense all of that
is going to Help Jaln milroe when it comes to
THE nfl. Draft now you mentioned the Green room him
going To Green. BAY i think that surprised some. People
but he has had some phenomenal private workouts THAT i
think are going to ultimately elevate him when it comes
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to draft.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Weekend he's one.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Of those guys that we can be looking back in
three or four years and, saying how could he have
not been a top ten, pick or we could look
back and say that's why he wasn't a top ten.
PICK i happen to believe it's the. FORMER i Think
Jalen milroe is abundantly. TALENTED i think The alabama, offense
in many, ways as good as it, was didn't showcase
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all the things he, did and he didn't have the
elite wide receivers that that offense has had over the
last several. Years SO i really liked, him AND i
think he's gonna go higher than most people.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Think what did you? Say some of this stuff is.
Situational If Lamar jackson who fell to thirty, two, right
it doesn't go to the, raven it's a great. Organization
if he goes to the course rounds or something, like
he ain't gonna Be Lamar. Jackson i'm, sorry this is
not how it, works and SO i worry If milroe
goes to Like, pittsburgh which just doesn't know what to
do with. QUARTERBACKS i don't know so much of it is.
(17:33):
Fit BUT i do want to say This Jackson dart. Stuff,
guys can we just. Stop you may like, him you
may know his, Agent i'm. NOT i don't Hate Jackson.
DART i don't know anything about. Him i've never talked to,
anyone you, know not a. FAN i think he was
great in, college BUT i don't think he's first round pick,
material do you? So?
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Okay so coming out OF Sc, no BUT i think
what he did In oxford At Ole miss really put
him in that. Conversation, Now i'm not ready to stamp
him as a first, rounder but WHAT i ready to
do is say that the league has finally come around
On dart enough that there is a very possible scenario
where he ends up going in the first and ends
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up being the third quarterback drafted after the top.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Two SO i Think Jackson dart you mentioned.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
Scenario you Mentioned labar having to go to somewhere like The.
Ravens If Jackson dart goes to a system where he
can sit a year and really learn AN nfl. Offense
look AT jj McCarthy last. Year now he's gonna have
an opportunity to. Start, obviously he had the two knee,
surgeries But dart has a live. Arm he's a very good,
athlete AND i think his game is very conducive to THE.
(18:39):
Nfl what does that. Mean that means he's really good
in the short and intermediate. Game he may not have
the arm strength of some of these other guys coming,
out but what he does have is.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
A very very good ball when.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
It comes to that fifteen to twenty yard that in,
end and, that AS i said, earlier is in many
ways where.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
THE nfl has.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Gone SO i think right NOW i would Say i'm
not ready to stamp, him LIKE i, said as a first,
rounder BUT i think there's a really good, chance in
a much better chance now than a month, ago even
coming out Of india at the combine That Jackson darten
ends up going in the first.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Round all, right just two more quick? Ones number? One
what do you make of? This and AGAIN i probably
shouldn't even address, it but This dallas could be Getting
Shadoor sanders and trade dak to The. BROWNS i don't
know Why i'm seeing. IT i probably shouldn't have been asked.
That it's such a lowest common denominator, Question but can
you just squash it unless you think There's.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Yeah, No i'll squash it because even If dallas or
The browns want of that the money That dak is
going to earn this, year it really doesn't work out
for Where cleveland's at on the cap having come off
The deshaun, contract and, No dallas doesn't want to trade.
Him dak is going to be the future of that.
Franchise they have like six quarterbacks on that. Roster we
talked About Joe millner. Earlier BUT i don't see any.
(19:51):
Scenario AND i asked around on this over the. Weekend
over the last week as that rumor started to speculate or,
PERCOLATE i don't see any scenario Where dak is, rated
especially to the Brown.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Side, JIM i want your hottest take that you've. Heard
it could be off the, record, you it could be,
speculative it could be. Wild we're doing Wacky monday here
where anything. Goes i'll tell you mine is that The.
Raiders everybody's looking at This Geno smith. Deal if you
look closely that's not a Serious he's our. GUY i
wonder If shadure's there at. SIX i believe we're looking
(20:22):
at A Matt Flynn Russell wilson. Situation oh where they Signed.
Flynn he's their, guy and then they Get Russell wilson
and he beats him. OUT i would keep an eye
On schador at. Six that's my only hot, take BUT
i would college college basketball and girls volleyball all. WEEKEND
i need your hottest, take new, stuff nothing that you've
put out there on social.
Speaker 9 (20:41):
Yet, okay uh, Wow, well let me address The raiders
quick BECAUSE i do think there's a big contingent in
that building that believes and launch acid. Gents the running
back out of boys he stated at, six he's visiting.
There uh, TODAY i think hottest take, Though, okay here
hot a. Stake Omrion hampton out Of North carolina is
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not only the second running back, taken but will be
An All pro caliber player within the next two to
three years and is a superstar in the. Making Omarion
hampton at A North carolina is a do everything running,
back super, special can flat out catch the football fifty
sixty catches he's gonna have and year. One he is
(21:25):
a three hundred touch. Guy he's an absolute, workhorse does
not need to come off the. Field love me Some Omarrion,
Hampton Fantasy, stars A mac get him next year while you.
Can and one more for, You Ameka Obuga AND i
didn't pronounce that, correctly But amecca out Of Ohio state
is going to be potentially underdrafted and that's gonna be
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a big. Mistake Tutor Brian, hartline The ohio state wide receiver, coach,
yesterday said that if you go on and watch the
tape and he's at everyone From Marvin harrison all the
way Down, bristol lave all these. Guys he, Said amecica
is one of these special special players where even if
it's number or his testing isn't off the, charts his
production will. Be so those are my two big bold.
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Statements but we're still a few weeks. Away Jay ma After,
yeah we got some.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Time by the, WAY i like The cowboys to look
At golden or A mecca for a wide receiver Opposite Ceedee.
Lamb you gotta Get deck some help. Anyway Jordan, SCHULTZ Nfl,
INSIDER i, mean, listen the guy's crushing it and he's
a big. Deal thanks a, Lot, Jordan oh my.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Pleasure thanks for the con, words.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Brother, yeah, Yeah, ALEX i know you're excited about THE nfl,
Draft LIKE i just get geeked about this. Stuff AND
i Know schultz a little. Bit so it's a lot of.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Fun WHAT i love most is like you kind of
have to like remember the human factor of, It like
this is a night where like dreams come. True and
when you watch a lot of, these a lot of
the first round picks that are there and they get
to show them and their families are there around, them
it's like you see, tears you see, emotion you see
it's it's a life changing.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Moment and, like, yeah we can do all these mock.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Drafts we can predict who we think is going to
go where we know, nothing we know, nothing and then
one pick changes everything else is the domino. Effect so
it's just so much fun to follow and watch all.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Right coming up, Next alex is going to talk to
us about the wild Wild. West oh my, gosh what's
your conferencetanding after The lakers is? Crazy so that's.
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Speaker 4 (23:29):
News let's start with some baseball and the superstar the
face of, baseball Show Hey otani threw a twenty six
pitch bullpen session On saturday. Morning the timeline For otani's
return as a pitcher is still up in the, air
but Show hey throwing his first bullpen session Since february
twenty fifth is a really good, sign and Manager Dave
robert says he Expects otani to be on a seven
(23:50):
day program as he. Progresses, Now, jamak you asked me,
Earlier AM i patient?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Person this is where you are? Patient? Right you have to.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Remember otani's coming off is Second Tommy john ish. Surgery
they're not calling it A Tommy john, surgery but it
was still A ucl repair, tear AND i don't have
high expectations of a rush. Back The dodgers are stacked
at the pitching. Position this is something that they struggled
with towards the end of last season with, injuries starting,
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bullpen close everything.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
They had holes and so that was the focus this.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Offseason even with them Losing Blake snell going on the
fifteen DAY il this weekend with shoulder, inflammation they still
Have Roki, Sasaki, Yoshinobuyamamoto tyler Glassnow dustin May kershaw hasn't
even pitched. Yet so they have so many high quality
arms that they can turn, to and we've even seen
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them like pull guys early and have bullpen games and do.
Great Shohy O tani will pitch again this, season but
there's no need to rush him right. Now there is,
not even if there's a chance that he could reinjure
or have a step. Back my, Mind i'm thinking Like
All star, break like maybe like midway through the, Season
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All Star, break which is great for the down the
stretch push when they make that playoff push and into the.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
POSTSEASON i guess that the only comp and in THE
nfl they don't do. This you don't need to save
it just some short. Season in THE, NBA i remember
early in the, Season Steph curry was playing fewer. Minutes
we're like saving. Him they're, like we're not playing you
over thirty minutes or thirty two or whatever it. Was
lebron's log in like thirty eight to. Forty, yeah so
The warriors saved him and Now curry's having a great
second half of the. Season do you think they're just saving, like,
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hey no is a, marathon.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Guys, no he, like If otani is, ready he's gonna
be out. There LIKE i watched him obviously when he
first came Into Major League baseball with The, angels and
they did a great job of we've never seen this.
Before you tell us what works for. You and he
is so disciplined and so great with managing his time
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that when he is, ready he is going to get
out there and.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Pitch he loves being a two way.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Player he's a three time UNANIMOUS, mvp two of those
being as a two way. Player if he is, ready
and when he is, ready he will be out there
and he will be. Pitching he does a great job
of managing himself to make sure he doesn't overdo it
and he can still be, great which he is as
a two TIME mvp as a two way player three, obviously,
overall he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Fine you think it's like a fifth, starter middle, relief
clothes leg or all of the above or whatever For.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Tani, yeah oh, no and he's going to be a.
Starter oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, no he's he's going to
be a starter on his entire, LIFE i.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Know but he also like.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
So tani, though like if anyone can do, it it's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Him so Maybe i'm being too, cautious but, like, yeah
that's the one guy you do not want to. Lose
let's stell fifteen day eight. Five, fine, yeah you don't
need anything to happen in the.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Franchise, no he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Fine like even when he heard his elbow for the
first tommy right before you got the first time he john,
surgery you's still. Hitting he came out and hit a
home run the next, Day like he's going to be,
okay and he is going to tell you if he
can pitch, it if he's going to be, already and
you have to trust. Him he is the only one
that knows what he can do because he's the only
one that's done. It BUT i would say mid, season
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and you have to remember you didn't have a spring,
training so it's going to be only like a couple of,
Innings like it's not like they got to stretch him.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Out but it's going to be great because he should be.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
At full strength and you, know full depth hopefully come the,
postseason which is.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Insane.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Okay colorado held its football showcase over the. Weekend Should
Or sanders through in front of scouts and had At
Travis hunter out there catching. Passes after the, event Coach
prime had a lot to say about his two.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
Stars it's, tremendous but one is a little different than
the other because one is a lot more criticized and
scrutinized than.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Others they should be going one. Too that's the WAY i.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Feel And i'm going to stand by there AND i
think they're the two best players in this. Draft but
the sures bets in this draft utter those two young,
men And i'd instill stabbing WHEN i say, It, Dad.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Okay so, safest.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Surest you can't really predict how a player is going
to transition from college to THE nfl level until they're.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
There everything's.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Different it's, faster the guys are, bigger the plays are.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Different you're not going to be with your The they
both look.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
At dionne as a father, figure so it's a different coaching.
SITUATIONS i guess the question is can they Be can
he be?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Successful?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Right do you See Shador sanders being successful in THE?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Nfl?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
NOW i don't think HE'S i do not think he's
going to be on The mahomes And Josh allen, Level but,
like can he be like A Baker? Mayfield can he
be a Brock? Berdy can can he win? Games can
he make your team? BETTER i think that's the question
you really need to be asking. Yourself, yeah it feels
Like hunter for sure is going to, Go, oh he's
going to be incredible as a.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Receiver, yeah the measureables and the, numbers so he could
be like elite at wide receiver within a couple of.
Years chador's a little. Different like you, said And Jordan schultz,
said where do you? Go matters so? Much, Yes Like,
Manhattan New York giants are a dumpster. Fire now they
have a great coach who Fixed Josh allen In. BUFFALO
i don't know if the infrastructure elsewhere in The giants
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organization is. Good the line, stakes like do The raiders
have that they've got like a NEW i think someone
in the morning meeting this morning compared To raiders to
this year or last Year's Washington commanders and just saying
like that's kind of. Spicy they got a full new everything.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Everything and it's like experience.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
New so SUREST i Mean genty's really. Good, YEAH i
think there's a couple of. Defenders Mason graham From MICHIGAN
i think is really. Good BUT i don't totally Think
dion's wrong. HERE i think both of those player are.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Gonna Be but this is also very on brand for
me On he's gonna hype up his, guys just like
it's very on brand For shador to have the confidence
that he's been having in the interviews that we've been,
hearing like all the talk of his his draft stock,
dropping and people didn't like his. Interviews it's, like what
do you? Expect you know who you're, getting you know
who his father. Is this is the family, brand and
don't you want a confident leader on your. TEAM i
(30:02):
don't think there's anything wrong with. That it's gonna be
interesting to see where he, goes because AGAIN i think
you guys were talking about in a couple different, interviews
like people are talking the, talk but it also could
be a smoke, screen like you don't know what teams are,
thinking and a lot of teams the quarterbacks and it's
not a super strong quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Draft, yeah all, Right moving on TO.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Nba last, Week Russell westbrook fouled a three point shooter
as time, expired costing The nuggets a, win and Then
nuggets have it one sense now Despite Nikola jokic putting
up crazy numbers in the. Losses last, Night denver lost
one twenty five to one to The, pacers and listen
To westbrook after the.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Game you guys need to clam us right now and
get right before the end of the regular.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Season i'm not, Sure i'll be. Honest your coaches mentioned
the urgency of a situation trying to avoid pop lay
in right. Now do you feel like in miss locker
room there's a sense of? Urgency oh, no, man you,
know not.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Sure this feels LIKE i showed, up SO i don't get.
Fined situation media. Scrum but this is the worst time
of year to go on a losing, streak especially with
how close The west is right. Now Right nuggets are
currently in, fourth a game and a half back from
The lakers and, third.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But a game and a.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Half ahead Of, Clippers, Warriors, Timberwolves, grizzlies who all have
the exact same, Record like anything can happen this last
stretch of the regular, season like a two loss, skid
like you could be in the play in like you
have like you have to. Win and they have What King's,
(31:43):
Grizzlies rockets or last three, games.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Should win two of, those so they haven't had what's
sustained the Guard Jamal, Murray yeah for a couple of,
games so that. Hurts that's. Big but On, Westbrook so,
Yeah alex AND i are in The South. Bay, YEAH
i gotta be. Careful we've we've seen a lot of. Them,
listen What westbrook's FAMILY i hear is. Amazing they do
(32:05):
great things in the. Community they are. Awesome And Russell
westbrooks had a great. Career he's A hall Of. Famer
i'm just SAYING i don't trust him down the stretching.
Games i'm, sorry the decision, making the inability to, shoot
the questionable, calls and now this being a jerk with the.
Meeting he hasn't met the media since he lost them
(32:25):
the game last, week and so he comes.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
Back and, yeah come, on, man just man, Up come,
on answer the damn, questions like if you you're paid
millions of dollars play basket do you can step up
in front of the camera and accept.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Defeat AND i played like crap AND i. Stunk it
was a rough, day not my. Day we've all been. There,
YEAH i might have a terrible show. Tomorrow this show's been.
Great TOMORROW i might be terrible And i'll own. It but,
LIKE i don't, Know i'm not picking beef with the
rest Of westbrook people BECAUSE i know he sent. Him
this is just.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Disappointed but as a veteran on a team to come
in with, experience this is not setting a good. Example
this is not the attitude you want to. Have this
is not the mindset you should have down the.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Stretch this isn't the.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Energy even just watching his, interview his, energy his body, language,
Everything todders love, him everybody loves.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Him AND i get. It i'm sure phenomenal, player, TALENT
i get.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
THAT i just it's just it's it's the.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Raw it's the worst time of the year to be
having a skin like.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
This, Yeah alex story with the, News well that's.
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NEWS i don't like to be.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
MEAN i Swear i'm a nice. Guy, anyways coming up, next,
Listen Alex ovechkin set a big time record over the,
weekend AND i hope certain leagues and certain media members
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Fox all, right so there was a big record broken
over the weekend in THE. Nhl Now i'm gonna be you,
know authenticity is big with. Me, okay just keep it, Real,
Jay that's WHAT i. DO i expect from you guys
to just keep it. Real i'm not a big hockey, Guy.
OKAY i played a lot OF, nhl The Sega, GAME
(35:29):
Nhl hockey ninety four back in the. Day WHEN i
was a, KID i played all the. TIME i knew
the top. Players but as you get, older you, know,
wifey you got the, kids you're, coaching you all this.
Stuff it's. Busy first IT'S i don't know IF i
should admit, this but you, know my son's about to
go into high. School it's crazy to. Think and we
(35:49):
met with a guidance counselor recently to like who can
walk you through picking your? Classes that stuff didn't happen
WHEN i was a. Kid this is, like it's. Real it's.
Tough it's competitive in high school now to get to.
College so you gotta sacrifice some. Stuff SO i sacrifice.
HOCKEY i just don't have the band with for. It you,
know it's a college FOOTBALL nfl to THE nba and college,
oops and then it's a playoffs for. Football then It's mark's,
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badness and then it's playoffs for, basketball and it's. Baseball
it's just too. Much but over the WEEKEND i did
notice That Alex ovechkin Eclipsed Wayne gretzky's all time scoring
mark in hockey for goals most goals. Scored awesome. Record,
NOW i didn't know this was coming up because THE
nhl listen, closely has been championing this for. Weeks somebody
(36:33):
in the on our staff had a great line. Today
they were, like the hockey ethos is. Brotherhood everybody wraps
their arms around a good. Story it's. Positive we love
it ovech everybody who's rooting for. Him Wayne, gretzky As
alex said, earlier was literally traveling With ovechkin so they could.
Monitor i'm sure there's gonna be like A netflix show
or something here in the coming. Months so, positive, okay very.
(36:59):
Positive we don't see that in every. SPORT i gotta
choose my words. Carefully i'm told is this sensitive subject
for some leagues and so. Forth but why don't we
see this in? Basketball why don't We i've been banging
this drum for, months. GUYS i love what THE nhl has.
(37:21):
Done remember The Nation's Hockey All Star game that went?
Down that was so. Exciting it was a big positive.
Story everybody loved, it great. Ratings why aren't we seeing
this in THE? Nba the Night yokich scored sixty one
and had a triple. Double there's video of a one
(37:42):
named FORMER nba star who, said, Oh i'm better than.
HIM i would turn him Into slovenian barbecue. CHICKEN i
would give him. Forty his brothers would want to fight, me,
like what are you? Doing we got another guy at
lebron is having the greatest season any forty year old
basketball players ever. Had carmelan had a good, One lebron's
(38:04):
had been. Better trying to make it all about, Him
so if he put his hands on, ME i want
to punch. Him we would have thrown, Fists like what
are we? Doing why aren't we celebrating the greatness that's
happening in THE? Nba you see AND i know you're
looking at. IT i know you're Watching, Adam so if
you're seeing what's happened in THE, nhl it's a great. Story.
Man everybody's applauding. This why don't we see that in THE?
(38:27):
Nba they should be. Happening this is an amazing time
to be AN nba, fan, phenomenal and then you've got
these big name dudes ON. Tv oh he's. Overrated do
we have to see another? Highlight what are we? Doing
why is this? Happening it's just really frustrating as a
big hoops fan to see this like disdain for, greatness
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and it's all like insecure men bashing the current era
so they can hype up their era as if they
were they had to be. Better, LIKE i don't see
why we do. This we're. Better like, Again i've said
this many. Times, guys look at. Airplanes airplanes are way
better than they were twenty thirty forty years. Ago, okay
technology to the, Moon, okay like literally almost everything is
(39:15):
better now than it was thirty forty years. Ago, NOW
i Know jabbar was out there Following lebron when he
was breaking his. Record, Hello kareem was a seventies. STAR
i know he was good in the eighties, two but
he was his prime was in the. Seventies jabbar does
not fall into those guys who were yelling stuff ON
tv every. Day that's. Negative Now i've said my. PART
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i don't want to be too, negative but just food for.
Thought Adam silver call him in a room and be, like,
guys let me put together a real of you guys
just hating on our stars who are freaking. Good can
we be? Positive there's a lot to. Champion AND i Know, Jay,
hey you've been bagging on some people the. Show, well,
Yeah luca had a horrible game Last. THURSDAY i get.
(39:58):
IT i called him out as that he wasn't. Good
his worst game is. Laker you know, what he was
awesome On. Sunday you got a champion that so, like
let's let's try to keep it, positive shall. We is
that asking for too? Much now That i've off my
soapbox and we're near the end of the, Hour i'm, Sorry.
Alie alex is over there AND i can See alex
out of the corner of my eyes. Working i'm, like damn,
(40:18):
it somebody's gonna say something to me. After let me
just change the subject really. Quick, Okay SO i saw
a movie on the, plane well, movie a complete Unknown
Timothy Shallo, May Bob dylan yea so. Good, yeah let
me just say he was. Nominated sometimes you, see, like you,
Know Taylor, swift if you guys were, neighbors you'd be.
TIGHT i feel like If Timothy Shallo may moved in,
him we would be. Boys he's a big sports guy he.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Is and like he think the.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Coolest, YEAH i know he's a little younger than, me
but still like he's. Rad i'm a. Fait the movie is.
EXCELLENT i had.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Great sound to him And Kendrick lamar have the same
stylist and it's Like chef's.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Kiss it's beautiful all, Right so Hopefully.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I'm back for the final. Hour alex has a lot
of good stuff in case they do kick me out of.
Here but what did John shire And? Duke can they?
Recover probably, yeah
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It's okay, though it's gonna be fun. It was great,
you know, and you got to put mad respect and
we talked about it last hour. Bryce Harper's comment on
only Leser's complain about what the Dodger was doing.
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And then they came out and they took the series
against the Dodgers.
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That's what real competitors do, so respect.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We got Jordan Schultz coming up soon, folks. This was
a first for me in the morning meeting. You know,
we got the great morning meeting with our staff, and
I said, guys, do we have any Cowboys material? Because
I have some jew I have what I think in
my head it's an amazing line about the Cowboys. But but
we don't have any Cowboys talk today. But it's fine.
Jordan Schult's coming up. A lot of chador standers stuff.
(01:21):
It is smoke screen season in the NFL Draft. I'll
just preface it with that some Jaylen Milroe news. Yeah,
my guy, I see you out there, bear Fulika, I
know you don't love him. That's fine. We'll do that
coming up. But first we need to start this hour
with a quick brief Cooper Flag discussion. Okay, I'll preface this.
I am extremely bullish on Cooper Flag's and NBA prospects.
(01:43):
I think he's going to be a superstar. Okay, not
everybody on staff fields the same way. And I saw
a lot of weird dislike for Cooper Flag Saturday Night
online and in person. Guys I'm hanging out with, they're like,
Ray's a little overrated. Okay, So let's start with Saturday
Night Flag twenty seven points, seven boards, five assists, three blocks.
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He leads Duke in practically every single statistical category that matters.
He's a six to nine eighteen year old freshman. And
if you remember a few weeks ago on the show,
you know, Cowhard keeps pushing this. I see Jason Tatum
in Cooper Flag, and I get that. It's not a
bad comparison.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Duke.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Guys, people love the cross cultural, you know, black white
comp I get all that, and I see the Tatum.
I see a little bit of Tatum. Other people I've
seen AK forty seven, Andre Kirolinko. I'm sure people are
scoffing at that, but like a five tool guy who
can do it all. So remember I asked chat GPT,
what's the best comp for Cooper Flag given size, length, measurement, scoring,
(02:44):
blah blah blah blah blah, and chat GPT, which is
according to Michael Scott. You know, if chat GPT existed,
doing the office did never wrong. Kevin Gartnett is the
best comparison for Cooper Flag, and I love that comparison personally.
But remember when KG came out, he was wiry. He
was a straight high school to I think he was
(03:05):
Farragut Academy in Chicago. To the pros and Kenvicgarnett was
like a young skinny guy, kind of like, uh, one
of those animals that's just born and is like struggling
to find its footing. It took him a couple of
years and then he was a beast. I think Cooper
Flag is going to have a more stronger impact than
his rookie year, for sure than KG. I do believe
the ceiling is massive for Cooper Flag. Now, interesting question
(03:28):
I'm gonna post to you the audience. Okay, if I
told you over under one and a half career MVPs
for Cooper Flag, you're going over? Are you going under
one and a half? Steve Nash has two? Shack I
think has one, Kobe should have more. I'm going the
over on Cooper Flag. Guys over one and a half MVPs.
(03:51):
I'm probably going irrational here, but I want to remind
you you could go find this on YouTube last summer
USA basketball camp. Yes, J Mackett was just image settle down. Okay,
Cooper Flag's leading like the B team against the starters
and here, oh we got the footage year. So if
you that play that we just read, Gosh, his staff
is good. Okay, Cooper Flag brings the ball up the
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court six' nine and he's being guarded full court By Drew,
holliday an elite, defender a superstar in THE. Nba Drew
holiday is a. Superstar whin's you started? With The? Bucks
goes to The. Celtics when's it? Like he's really really?
Good Cooper flag brings it up Against Drew holliday's. Pressure
he gets the switch Onto Anthony. Davis, Okay Anthony davis
a great. Defender look at ad here we go pull
(04:35):
up what three right in his? Eye That's Kevin garnett.
Type i'm, Sorry Kevin durant type. Stuff, guys don't sleep on.
This Cooper flag as a one, LOSS i need to
remind you. Again Zion, williamson who was a freak coming
out Of duke generational. Talent, okay he ain't sniff in NO.
Mvp he. Can't he's eating his way out of the.
(04:56):
League he cannot Handle New. Orleans he can't stay. Healthy
Cooper flag gonna be better pro Than. Zion. Now zion's
had some immense highs where he was scoring at a
shack like rate in the. Paint just can't sustain. IT
i Think Cooper flag's gonna be. Better he's eighteen years.
Old he was seventeen earlier in the season when he
was dropping twenty on folks at seventeen AND i, guess,
oh we got A John shire bite from the. Loss
(05:18):
don't let this loss For Cooper flag define.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Him you go from some of the most special moments
in the tournament to the most heartbreaking. Loss And i'm
not about to feel sorry for one. Second these guys
have done an incredible. Job it's, heartbreaking it's incredibly. Disappointing
there's a lot of pain that comes with. Us that's
(05:43):
what the tournament is all.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
ABOUT i didn't like that he faded. Away he did
that a couple times in the final ten minutes against
The houston. Pressure that's. Fine i'll leave you with two. Notes,
okay last WEEK i floated the, idea if The Charlotte
hornets win the, lottery you Draft Cooper flag and you
Trade LaMelo. Ball i'm getting murdered on YouTube all weekend
(06:07):
in the comment. Section this got On No. Ball LaMelo's.
Amazing i'm just telling, you that's an oil and water.
Mix LaMelo's i gotta get my kind of. Guy he's
a great, passer but he don't like to. Pass he's
like A Monta ellis, right just a bucket. Getter now
he's a bigger. VERSION i think you got to move
off him and Make Cooper flag your. Guy and the
final note as to, WHY i think we're feeling some
(06:28):
pushback And i'm gonna just wedge this one. In Cooper
flag's the best White american basketball prospects Since Larry. Bird
it's been about forty. Years, okay all The euros, dominating
they're Not. Americans Cooper flag is An. American we're in
an error right, now very divisive in this. COUNTRY a
lot of people don't like THE nba for a certain.
REASON i Think Cooper fly is gonna have that kind
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of positive impact on THE nba next. Season all, right
let's get to our, Guest Jordan, SCHULTZ Nfl Fox. Insider
MISTER Nfl, JORDAN i know you you're a big hoops.
Fan come, on you, Played we've, Talked you've played some.
HOOPS i tried to get to him in men's league.
Team give me your quick dime store thoughts On Cooper
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flag before we get to THE.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
Nfl.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
OH i think he is as good a prospect as
we've seen to come.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Out in the last. Decade absolutely love.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
Him it's frustrating to See duke lose because this was
the best team they've.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
HAD i think they were even better than.
Speaker 9 (07:24):
The zion team that didn't go to The final. Four
BUT i don't see any weakness you mentioned he. Reclassified
he really should be in high. SCHOOL i don't see
any weakness with. Him love, him and he is a
as good a can't miss as you can.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Find all, right let's pivot to THE, nfl where you
just are on such a here breaking news left and. Right, So,
JORDAN i know you're best friends With Jamar chase now
and a lot of the players around the LEAGUE i
see on THE ig taking photos of. THEM i got
to start with Shador standers and, listen we know it
is smoke screen. Season what the hell's going on with Shador.
STANDERS i saw A tennessee report That i've never seen this.
(08:01):
Wording we have mutually agreed to cancel our whatever it,
was The Tennessee titans this. Year we mutually agreed to not. Meet,
like what's? Happening what does that?
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Mean J?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Mack, yeah all that means is, well two.
Speaker 9 (08:16):
Things one is that Cam ward is probably gonna go number,
one which.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
We've been saying for the last month or.
Speaker 9 (08:22):
So and, secondly it means That Shadoor sanders actually had
a fantastic pro day and why would they Cancel because
they saw everything they needed to, see not Just, tennessee
BUT i think everyone else. Did so if you look
at where his ceiling, IS i think it's potentially two
or three With cleveland And New, york and then you
Have New orleans at, nine and then you Have pittsburgh
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at twenty. One so there are some scenarios in which
he doesn't go in the top.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Five that's.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
Possible but a top level executive who was In boulder
for the pro day told me that what he saw
from should or J mack was not just the accuracy
and the, catchability but the velocity on the.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Football and why that matters.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
Is because he has been typecast and fair or not
throughout this process as not having maybe the STRONGEST nfl.
Aren't but what we saw In boulder was an added
velocity five to ten, percent and that's going to help
him when it comes to the draft.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Process all, Right.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So, Jordan i'm not usually a conspiracy theorist at, large
but when it comes to THE Nfl, DRAFT, i for
some reason get sucked into this. Nonsense so remember a
couple months, Ago dion was, Act, hey are you going
to try to like steer your guy? Right you're some
somewhere the Way elway Steered john And Eli manning also
his family kind of steers. Us, yeah are we going
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to see that In dion's, like, YEAH i don't want
to play for certain? Teams and now we haven't heard
that's all of a sudden backed. Off and you combine
that With shador allegedly he's not a great. ATHLETE i
HEAR i keep hearing. THIS i don't get. It if
he wanted to disprove, everybody wouldn't he just do the
vertical and the three cone and run all that stuff
and be, like, Look i'm an. Athlete is he trying
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to steer himself to a certain team by not giving
away everything showing everybody what he's?
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Got, no BECAUSE i think a lot of guys NOW
J mack are not doing all those, measurements and for,
him for shaudor, specifically IT'S i would push back and, say,
actually he's a good, athlete he's just not a great.
Runner he's, fast he's not. Electric he can maneuver.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
The pocket, enough but he is a pocket.
Speaker 9 (10:28):
Guy so there are certain things That shador does That
cam doesn't, do and vice.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Versa and you can even Put.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Jackson, Dart, Milroe Tyler schuck in that. Conversation all these
guys have their attributes really well that they do and
then they have. Weaknesses this is not anywhere near the
type of class that we saw last year where you had,
one two three With caleb And daniels And may and
Even pennix McCarthy And.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Knicks this is not that level.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
Class But Shador sanders is going to be a starting,
caliber high end, QUARTERBACK i. Believe and why he's not
doing the forty in the cone, drills that's up to.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Interpretation BUT i think.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
A big part of it is because he recognizes that
what he does best isn't really going to show when
it comes to the. Drills he is a pocket. Guy
he throws a really accurate. Ball someone told me an
an executive told me it's basically like a twenty yard.
Handoff that's his. Game AND i think when it comes
To shor at the next, level he's probably ready to.
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Go now more so than people realize because he's played
so much football At jackson and At colorado in because
his game really is a pro level pocket.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Game all, Right, jordan this is a little tougher and,
again and nobody wants to admit. This, okay you AND,
i EVERY nfl, team every front, office we have to be.
Real the three best quarterbacks in THE nfl right, now
none of them went top. Five Josh, Allen Patrick mahomes
And Lamar. Jackson none of them went top. Five it
is a factual statement to say nobody in THE nfl
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knows what the hell they're doing when drafting a. Quarterback
we Saw Masarati mitch because he.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Was a great.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Athlete, oh we gotta take, him you gotta TAKE.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I love.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
It Zach wilson Throw sorry About Masara Mazda. Mitch he's
not A. Maserati we Saw maaza mich The Mormon. Mahomes
Zach wilson just crush it. Apart, oh look at. It
he throws a beautiful.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Ball we got sucked.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Into taking in. Second, overall nobody knows what they're. Doing
there's a world Where shadur isn't. Awesome he's like A Drew.
BREES i don't know he's, accurate makes every, Pass, like
can we just admit that we don't know what we're
doing at quarterback when it comes to THE? Nfl is that?
Speaker 9 (12:29):
Okay nobody knows less than me when it comes to evaluating.
Quarterbacks this is a fifty to fifty at best at
Best jmack. Situation and one of the REASONS i Think
shadora is so interesting is because there has been so
much pushback on whether or not he's going to be
the next superstar, quarterback the next star, quarterback and because
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he has the blood lines With dion.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
And obviously everything that goes with.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
It you can also, say AND i would look at
AND i know we want to talk About Joe.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Milton look at What New england just.
Speaker 9 (13:01):
Did, okay because they just Traded Joe milton a few days.
Ago it was a pretty big deal for that to
happen right before the.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Draft and the REASON i bring that up goes back
to your.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
Question when it comes to evaluating, quarterbacks fifty to fifty at,
best the best solution to, it whether It's, Shador, Jackson,
dart any of these, guys is to get multiple. Quarterbacks
you go back to What philly did when they Had Carson,
wentz they Draft Yland Hurts.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Washington when they HAD rg, three they Got Kirk.
Speaker 9 (13:30):
Cousins and even now if you think About, dallas they
Have Dak.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Prescott they just Got Joe.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Milton that is actually ironic Because Elliott, wolfe who's the
de FACTO gm In New, england his dad Is ron
Wolf he Drafted Brett, favre and obviously his theory, was
let me get a, quarterback a new quarterback every, year
basically as a.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Backup this is the quarterback. Business the right move.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Is to get as many of these guys as, possible
acquire as much talent at the hardest position to, evaluate
not only in football but in all of pro.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Sports that's the.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
Solution SO i actually Gave dallas a lot of, credit
AND i think a lot of these teams that are
drafting quarterbacks when they already have a, quarterback that's the right.
Move and so when it comes to whoever it Gets
sanders Or.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Dart Or, milrow it would be it would behoove.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Them in my, opinion to get another, version another, guy
or to have a veteran on the roster so that
you can absolutely give yourself the best, POSSIBLE.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
I would say scenario at getting this thing.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Right one hundred percent. Agree all, right let's go To
it was a news blip over the, weekend didn't get much,
Attention but to a guy who's been championing this, dude
it got a lot in my. Mind Jalen molroe has
accepted an invite to the green room In Green. Bay, Hmm,
jordan we haven't heard jack squat About Jalen molrow in two.
Months it's All jackson darts rising. Up, hey look, out
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he could go top. TEN i keep coming back to, This.
Jordan we saw a full season Of, Shador we saw
a full season Of. MILROE i know it was up
and down at, times but those guys best is freaking.
Phenomenal AND i am of the belief That Jalen milroe
had some kind of promise in the top, twenty or
he would not be going to the green room to
maybe get the Will levis. Treatment remember a year ago this,
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Time jordan no cap as a, kid say Will levis top,
five he could go number, three remember that that was
a real. Thing yeah he fell to the second. Round
it's two years.
Speaker 9 (15:21):
Ago, Sorry, yeah It's Dolie, levis It's Matt, carral It's Malik.
Willis we've had a lot of these quarterbacks with a
lot of hype and then they don't end up going
where they potentially thought they. WOULD i don't know Where
jayalen mill is going to get. Drafted WHAT i do
know About Jalen milroe is he is the best, athlete
arguably in the. Draft he has a special special combination of, size, speed, athleticism.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Running us up basically a four to three at two
hundred and twenty. POUNDS i think what.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
The big question is is what's his upside as a?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Passer?
Speaker 9 (15:55):
Now what he does really well and why he's going
to go probably higher than most people, think whether it's top,
Twenty i'm not. Sure is he has a very very
good deep. Ball he showcased that the last two. Years
THE nfl in many ways has transitioned to not being
so much default. Oriented But milroe has a very strong,
arm a very good deep, ball and as one executive told,
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me he eats up zone. Coverage so a lot of
these clubs now are running zone. Defense all of that
is going to Help Jaln milroe when it comes to
THE nfl. Draft now you mentioned the Green room him
going To Green. BAY i think that surprised some. People
but he has had some phenomenal private workouts THAT i
think are going to ultimately elevate him when it comes
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to draft.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Weekend he's one.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Of those guys that we can be looking back in
three or four years and, saying how could he have
not been a top ten, pick or we could look
back and say that's why he wasn't a top ten.
PICK i happen to believe it's the. FORMER i Think
Jalen milroe is abundantly. TALENTED i think The alabama, offense
in many, ways as good as it, was didn't showcase
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all the things he, did and he didn't have the
elite wide receivers that that offense has had over the
last several. Years SO i really liked, him AND i
think he's gonna go higher than most people.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Think what did you? Say some of this stuff is.
Situational If Lamar jackson who fell to thirty, two, right
it doesn't go to the, raven it's a great. Organization
if he goes to the course rounds or something, like
he ain't gonna Be Lamar. Jackson i'm, sorry this is
not how it, works and SO i worry If milroe
goes to Like, pittsburgh which just doesn't know what to
do with. QUARTERBACKS i don't know so much of it is.
(17:33):
Fit BUT i do want to say This Jackson dart. Stuff,
guys can we just. Stop you may like, him you
may know his, Agent i'm. NOT i don't Hate Jackson.
DART i don't know anything about. Him i've never talked to,
anyone you, know not a. FAN i think he was
great in, college BUT i don't think he's first round pick,
material do you? So?
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Okay so coming out OF Sc, no BUT i think
what he did In oxford At Ole miss really put
him in that. Conversation, Now i'm not ready to stamp
him as a first, rounder but WHAT i ready to
do is say that the league has finally come around
On dart enough that there is a very possible scenario
where he ends up going in the first and ends
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up being the third quarterback drafted after the top.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Two SO i Think Jackson dart you mentioned.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
Scenario you Mentioned labar having to go to somewhere like The.
Ravens If Jackson dart goes to a system where he
can sit a year and really learn AN nfl. Offense
look AT jj McCarthy last. Year now he's gonna have
an opportunity to. Start, obviously he had the two knee,
surgeries But dart has a live. Arm he's a very good,
athlete AND i think his game is very conducive to THE.
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Nfl what does that. Mean that means he's really good
in the short and intermediate. Game he may not have
the arm strength of some of these other guys coming,
out but what he does have is.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
A very very good ball when.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
It comes to that fifteen to twenty yard that in,
end and, that AS i said, earlier is in many
ways where.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
THE nfl has.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Gone SO i think right NOW i would Say i'm
not ready to stamp, him LIKE i, said as a first,
rounder BUT i think there's a really good, chance in
a much better chance now than a month, ago even
coming out Of india at the combine That Jackson darten
ends up going in the first.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Round all, right just two more quick? Ones number? One
what do you make of? This and AGAIN i probably
shouldn't even address, it but This dallas could be Getting
Shadoor sanders and trade dak to The. BROWNS i don't
know Why i'm seeing. IT i probably shouldn't have been asked.
That it's such a lowest common denominator, Question but can
you just squash it unless you think There's.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Yeah, No i'll squash it because even If dallas or
The browns want of that the money That dak is
going to earn this, year it really doesn't work out
for Where cleveland's at on the cap having come off
The deshaun, contract and, No dallas doesn't want to trade.
Him dak is going to be the future of that.
Franchise they have like six quarterbacks on that. Roster we
talked About Joe millner. Earlier BUT i don't see any.
(19:51):
Scenario AND i asked around on this over the. Weekend
over the last week as that rumor started to speculate or,
PERCOLATE i don't see any scenario Where dak is, rated
especially to the Brown.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Side, JIM i want your hottest take that you've. Heard
it could be off the, record, you it could be,
speculative it could be. Wild we're doing Wacky monday here
where anything. Goes i'll tell you mine is that The.
Raiders everybody's looking at This Geno smith. Deal if you
look closely that's not a Serious he's our. GUY i
wonder If shadure's there at. SIX i believe we're looking
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at A Matt Flynn Russell wilson. Situation oh where they Signed.
Flynn he's their, guy and then they Get Russell wilson
and he beats him. OUT i would keep an eye
On schador at. Six that's my only hot, take BUT
i would college college basketball and girls volleyball all. WEEKEND
i need your hottest, take new, stuff nothing that you've
put out there on social.
Speaker 9 (20:41):
Yet, okay uh, Wow, well let me address The raiders
quick BECAUSE i do think there's a big contingent in
that building that believes and launch acid. Gents the running
back out of boys he stated at, six he's visiting.
There uh, TODAY i think hottest take, Though, okay here
hot a. Stake Omrion hampton out Of North carolina is
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not only the second running back, taken but will be
An All pro caliber player within the next two to
three years and is a superstar in the. Making Omarion
hampton at A North carolina is a do everything running,
back super, special can flat out catch the football fifty
sixty catches he's gonna have and year. One he is
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a three hundred touch. Guy he's an absolute, workhorse does
not need to come off the. Field love me Some Omarrion,
Hampton Fantasy, stars A mac get him next year while you.
Can and one more for, You Ameka Obuga AND i
didn't pronounce that, correctly But amecca out Of Ohio state
is going to be potentially underdrafted and that's gonna be
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a big. Mistake Tutor Brian, hartline The ohio state wide receiver, coach,
yesterday said that if you go on and watch the
tape and he's at everyone From Marvin harrison all the
way Down, bristol lave all these. Guys he, Said amecica
is one of these special special players where even if
it's number or his testing isn't off the, charts his
production will. Be so those are my two big bold.
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Statements but we're still a few weeks. Away Jay ma After,
yeah we got some.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Time by the, WAY i like The cowboys to look
At golden or A mecca for a wide receiver Opposite Ceedee.
Lamb you gotta Get deck some help. Anyway Jordan, SCHULTZ Nfl,
INSIDER i, mean, listen the guy's crushing it and he's
a big. Deal thanks a, Lot, Jordan oh my.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Pleasure thanks for the con, words.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Brother, yeah, Yeah, ALEX i know you're excited about THE nfl,
Draft LIKE i just get geeked about this. Stuff AND
i Know schultz a little. Bit so it's a lot of.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Fun WHAT i love most is like you kind of
have to like remember the human factor of, It like
this is a night where like dreams come. True and
when you watch a lot of, these a lot of
the first round picks that are there and they get
to show them and their families are there around, them
it's like you see, tears you see, emotion you see
it's it's a life changing.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Moment and, like, yeah we can do all these mock.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Drafts we can predict who we think is going to
go where we know, nothing we know, nothing and then
one pick changes everything else is the domino. Effect so
it's just so much fun to follow and watch all.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Right coming up, Next alex is going to talk to
us about the wild Wild. West oh my, gosh what's
your conferencetanding after The lakers is? Crazy so that's.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
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Speaker 4 (23:29):
News let's start with some baseball and the superstar the
face of, baseball Show Hey otani threw a twenty six
pitch bullpen session On saturday. Morning the timeline For otani's
return as a pitcher is still up in the, air
but Show hey throwing his first bullpen session Since february
twenty fifth is a really good, sign and Manager Dave
robert says he Expects otani to be on a seven
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day program as he. Progresses, Now, jamak you asked me,
Earlier AM i patient?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Person this is where you are? Patient? Right you have to.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Remember otani's coming off is Second Tommy john ish. Surgery
they're not calling it A Tommy john, surgery but it
was still A ucl repair, tear AND i don't have
high expectations of a rush. Back The dodgers are stacked
at the pitching. Position this is something that they struggled
with towards the end of last season with, injuries starting,
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bullpen close everything.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
They had holes and so that was the focus this.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Offseason even with them Losing Blake snell going on the
fifteen DAY il this weekend with shoulder, inflammation they still
Have Roki, Sasaki, Yoshinobuyamamoto tyler Glassnow dustin May kershaw hasn't
even pitched. Yet so they have so many high quality
arms that they can turn, to and we've even seen
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them like pull guys early and have bullpen games and do.
Great Shohy O tani will pitch again this, season but
there's no need to rush him right. Now there is,
not even if there's a chance that he could reinjure
or have a step. Back my, Mind i'm thinking Like
All star, break like maybe like midway through the, Season
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All Star, break which is great for the down the
stretch push when they make that playoff push and into the.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
POSTSEASON i guess that the only comp and in THE
nfl they don't do. This you don't need to save
it just some short. Season in THE, NBA i remember
early in the, Season Steph curry was playing fewer. Minutes
we're like saving. Him they're, like we're not playing you
over thirty minutes or thirty two or whatever it. Was
lebron's log in like thirty eight to. Forty, yeah so
The warriors saved him and Now curry's having a great
second half of the. Season do you think they're just saving, like,
(25:38):
hey no is a, marathon.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Guys, no he, like If otani is, ready he's gonna
be out. There LIKE i watched him obviously when he
first came Into Major League baseball with The, angels and
they did a great job of we've never seen this.
Before you tell us what works for. You and he
is so disciplined and so great with managing his time
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that when he is, ready he is going to get
out there and.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Pitch he loves being a two way.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Player he's a three time UNANIMOUS, mvp two of those
being as a two way. Player if he is, ready
and when he is, ready he will be out there
and he will be. Pitching he does a great job
of managing himself to make sure he doesn't overdo it
and he can still be, great which he is as
a two TIME mvp as a two way player three, obviously,
overall he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Fine you think it's like a fifth, starter middle, relief
clothes leg or all of the above or whatever For.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Tani, yeah oh, no and he's going to be a.
Starter oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, no he's he's going to
be a starter on his entire, LIFE i.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Know but he also like.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
So tani, though like if anyone can do, it it's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Him so Maybe i'm being too, cautious but, like, yeah
that's the one guy you do not want to. Lose
let's stell fifteen day eight. Five, fine, yeah you don't
need anything to happen in the.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Franchise, no he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Fine like even when he heard his elbow for the
first tommy right before you got the first time he john,
surgery you's still. Hitting he came out and hit a
home run the next, Day like he's going to be,
okay and he is going to tell you if he
can pitch, it if he's going to be, already and
you have to trust. Him he is the only one
that knows what he can do because he's the only
one that's done. It BUT i would say mid, season
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and you have to remember you didn't have a spring,
training so it's going to be only like a couple of,
Innings like it's not like they got to stretch him.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Out but it's going to be great because he should be.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
At full strength and you, know full depth hopefully come the,
postseason which is.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Insane.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Okay colorado held its football showcase over the. Weekend Should
Or sanders through in front of scouts and had At
Travis hunter out there catching. Passes after the, event Coach
prime had a lot to say about his two.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
Stars it's, tremendous but one is a little different than
the other because one is a lot more criticized and
scrutinized than.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Others they should be going one. Too that's the WAY i.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Feel And i'm going to stand by there AND i
think they're the two best players in this. Draft but
the sures bets in this draft utter those two young,
men And i'd instill stabbing WHEN i say, It, Dad.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Okay so, safest.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Surest you can't really predict how a player is going
to transition from college to THE nfl level until they're.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
There everything's.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Different it's, faster the guys are, bigger the plays are.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Different you're not going to be with your The they
both look.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
At dionne as a father, figure so it's a different coaching.
SITUATIONS i guess the question is can they Be can
he be?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Successful?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Right do you See Shador sanders being successful in THE?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Nfl?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
NOW i don't think HE'S i do not think he's
going to be on The mahomes And Josh allen, Level but,
like can he be like A Baker? Mayfield can he
be a Brock? Berdy can can he win? Games can
he make your team? BETTER i think that's the question
you really need to be asking. Yourself, yeah it feels
Like hunter for sure is going to, Go, oh he's
going to be incredible as a.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Receiver, yeah the measureables and the, numbers so he could
be like elite at wide receiver within a couple of.
Years chador's a little. Different like you, said And Jordan schultz,
said where do you? Go matters so? Much, Yes Like,
Manhattan New York giants are a dumpster. Fire now they
have a great coach who Fixed Josh allen In. BUFFALO
i don't know if the infrastructure elsewhere in The giants
(29:11):
organization is. Good the line, stakes like do The raiders
have that they've got like a NEW i think someone
in the morning meeting this morning compared To raiders to
this year or last Year's Washington commanders and just saying
like that's kind of. Spicy they got a full new everything.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Everything and it's like experience.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
New so SUREST i Mean genty's really. Good, YEAH i
think there's a couple of. Defenders Mason graham From MICHIGAN
i think is really. Good BUT i don't totally Think
dion's wrong. HERE i think both of those player are.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Gonna Be but this is also very on brand for
me On he's gonna hype up his, guys just like
it's very on brand For shador to have the confidence
that he's been having in the interviews that we've been,
hearing like all the talk of his his draft stock,
dropping and people didn't like his. Interviews it's, like what
do you? Expect you know who you're, getting you know
who his father. Is this is the family, brand and
don't you want a confident leader on your. TEAM i
(30:02):
don't think there's anything wrong with. That it's gonna be
interesting to see where he, goes because AGAIN i think
you guys were talking about in a couple different, interviews
like people are talking the, talk but it also could
be a smoke, screen like you don't know what teams are,
thinking and a lot of teams the quarterbacks and it's
not a super strong quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Draft, yeah all, Right moving on TO.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Nba last, Week Russell westbrook fouled a three point shooter
as time, expired costing The nuggets a, win and Then
nuggets have it one sense now Despite Nikola jokic putting
up crazy numbers in the. Losses last, Night denver lost
one twenty five to one to The, pacers and listen
To westbrook after the.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Game you guys need to clam us right now and
get right before the end of the regular.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Season i'm not, Sure i'll be. Honest your coaches mentioned
the urgency of a situation trying to avoid pop lay
in right. Now do you feel like in miss locker
room there's a sense of? Urgency oh, no, man you,
know not.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Sure this feels LIKE i showed, up SO i don't get.
Fined situation media. Scrum but this is the worst time
of year to go on a losing, streak especially with
how close The west is right. Now Right nuggets are
currently in, fourth a game and a half back from
The lakers and, third.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But a game and a.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Half ahead Of, Clippers, Warriors, Timberwolves, grizzlies who all have
the exact same, Record like anything can happen this last
stretch of the regular, season like a two loss, skid
like you could be in the play in like you
have like you have to. Win and they have What King's,
(31:43):
Grizzlies rockets or last three, games.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Should win two of, those so they haven't had what's
sustained the Guard Jamal, Murray yeah for a couple of,
games so that. Hurts that's. Big but On, Westbrook so,
Yeah alex AND i are in The South. Bay, YEAH
i gotta be. Careful we've we've seen a lot of. Them,
listen What westbrook's FAMILY i hear is. Amazing they do
(32:05):
great things in the. Community they are. Awesome And Russell
westbrooks had a great. Career he's A hall Of. Famer
i'm just SAYING i don't trust him down the stretching.
Games i'm, sorry the decision, making the inability to, shoot
the questionable, calls and now this being a jerk with the.
Meeting he hasn't met the media since he lost them
(32:25):
the game last, week and so he comes.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
Back and, yeah come, on, man just man, Up come,
on answer the damn, questions like if you you're paid
millions of dollars play basket do you can step up
in front of the camera and accept.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Defeat AND i played like crap AND i. Stunk it
was a rough, day not my. Day we've all been. There,
YEAH i might have a terrible show. Tomorrow this show's been.
Great TOMORROW i might be terrible And i'll own. It but,
LIKE i don't, Know i'm not picking beef with the
rest Of westbrook people BECAUSE i know he sent. Him
this is just.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Disappointed but as a veteran on a team to come
in with, experience this is not setting a good. Example
this is not the attitude you want to. Have this
is not the mindset you should have down the.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Stretch this isn't the.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Energy even just watching his, interview his, energy his body, language,
Everything todders love, him everybody loves.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Him AND i get. It i'm sure phenomenal, player, TALENT
i get.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
THAT i just it's just it's it's the.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Raw it's the worst time of the year to be
having a skin like.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
This, Yeah alex story with the, News well that's.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
The, news and thanks for stopping that the Herd line.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
NEWS i don't like to be.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
MEAN i Swear i'm a nice. Guy, anyways coming up, next,
Listen Alex ovechkin set a big time record over the,
weekend AND i hope certain leagues and certain media members
and CERTAIN tv shows we're paying. Attention that's.
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Fox all, right so there was a big record broken
over the weekend in THE. Nhl Now i'm gonna be you,
know authenticity is big with. Me, okay just keep it, Real,
Jay that's WHAT i. DO i expect from you guys
to just keep it. Real i'm not a big hockey, Guy.
OKAY i played a lot OF, nhl The Sega, GAME
(35:29):
Nhl hockey ninety four back in the. Day WHEN i
was a, KID i played all the. TIME i knew
the top. Players but as you get, older you, know,
wifey you got the, kids you're, coaching you all this.
Stuff it's. Busy first IT'S i don't know IF i
should admit, this but you, know my son's about to
go into high. School it's crazy to. Think and we
(35:49):
met with a guidance counselor recently to like who can
walk you through picking your? Classes that stuff didn't happen
WHEN i was a. Kid this is, like it's. Real it's.
Tough it's competitive in high school now to get to.
College so you gotta sacrifice some. Stuff SO i sacrifice.
HOCKEY i just don't have the band with for. It you,
know it's a college FOOTBALL nfl to THE nba and college,
oops and then it's a playoffs for. Football then It's mark's,
(36:10):
badness and then it's playoffs for, basketball and it's. Baseball
it's just too. Much but over the WEEKEND i did
notice That Alex ovechkin Eclipsed Wayne gretzky's all time scoring
mark in hockey for goals most goals. Scored awesome. Record,
NOW i didn't know this was coming up because THE
nhl listen, closely has been championing this for. Weeks somebody
(36:33):
in the on our staff had a great line. Today
they were, like the hockey ethos is. Brotherhood everybody wraps
their arms around a good. Story it's. Positive we love
it ovech everybody who's rooting for. Him Wayne, gretzky As
alex said, earlier was literally traveling With ovechkin so they could.
Monitor i'm sure there's gonna be like A netflix show
or something here in the coming. Months so, positive, okay very.
(36:59):
Positive we don't see that in every. SPORT i gotta
choose my words. Carefully i'm told is this sensitive subject
for some leagues and so. Forth but why don't we
see this in? Basketball why don't We i've been banging
this drum for, months. GUYS i love what THE nhl has.
(37:21):
Done remember The Nation's Hockey All Star game that went?
Down that was so. Exciting it was a big positive.
Story everybody loved, it great. Ratings why aren't we seeing
this in THE? Nba the Night yokich scored sixty one
and had a triple. Double there's video of a one
(37:42):
named FORMER nba star who, said, Oh i'm better than.
HIM i would turn him Into slovenian barbecue. CHICKEN i
would give him. Forty his brothers would want to fight, me,
like what are you? Doing we got another guy at
lebron is having the greatest season any forty year old
basketball players ever. Had carmelan had a good, One lebron's
(38:04):
had been. Better trying to make it all about, Him
so if he put his hands on, ME i want
to punch. Him we would have thrown, Fists like what
are we? Doing why aren't we celebrating the greatness that's
happening in THE? Nba you see AND i know you're
looking at. IT i know you're Watching, Adam so if
you're seeing what's happened in THE, nhl it's a great. Story.
Man everybody's applauding. This why don't we see that in THE?
(38:27):
Nba they should be. Happening this is an amazing time
to be AN nba, fan, phenomenal and then you've got
these big name dudes ON. Tv oh he's. Overrated do
we have to see another? Highlight what are we? Doing
why is this? Happening it's just really frustrating as a
big hoops fan to see this like disdain for, greatness
(38:51):
and it's all like insecure men bashing the current era
so they can hype up their era as if they
were they had to be. Better, LIKE i don't see
why we do. This we're. Better like, Again i've said
this many. Times, guys look at. Airplanes airplanes are way
better than they were twenty thirty forty years. Ago, okay
technology to the, Moon, okay like literally almost everything is
(39:15):
better now than it was thirty forty years. Ago, NOW
i Know jabbar was out there Following lebron when he
was breaking his. Record, Hello kareem was a seventies. STAR
i know he was good in the eighties, two but
he was his prime was in the. Seventies jabbar does
not fall into those guys who were yelling stuff ON
tv every. Day that's. Negative Now i've said my. PART
(39:35):
i don't want to be too, negative but just food for.
Thought Adam silver call him in a room and be, like,
guys let me put together a real of you guys
just hating on our stars who are freaking. Good can
we be? Positive there's a lot to. Champion AND i Know, Jay,
hey you've been bagging on some people the. Show, well,
Yeah luca had a horrible game Last. THURSDAY i get.
(39:58):
IT i called him out as that he wasn't. Good
his worst game is. Laker you know, what he was
awesome On. Sunday you got a champion that so, like
let's let's try to keep it, positive shall. We is
that asking for too? Much now That i've off my
soapbox and we're near the end of the, Hour i'm, Sorry.
Alie alex is over there AND i can See alex
out of the corner of my eyes. Working i'm, like damn,
(40:18):
it somebody's gonna say something to me. After let me
just change the subject really. Quick, Okay SO i saw
a movie on the, plane well, movie a complete Unknown
Timothy Shallo, May Bob dylan yea so. Good, yeah let
me just say he was. Nominated sometimes you, see, like you,
Know Taylor, swift if you guys were, neighbors you'd be.
TIGHT i feel like If Timothy Shallo may moved in,
him we would be. Boys he's a big sports guy he.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Is and like he think the.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Coolest, YEAH i know he's a little younger than, me
but still like he's. Rad i'm a. Fait the movie is.
EXCELLENT i had.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Great sound to him And Kendrick lamar have the same
stylist and it's Like chef's.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Kiss it's beautiful all, Right so Hopefully.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I'm back for the final. Hour alex has a lot
of good stuff in case they do kick me out of.
Here but what did John shire And? Duke can they?
Recover probably, yeah
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