April 17, 2025 • 32 mins
Brian Baldinger from the NFL Network joins the show to discuss Colin's mock draft and why Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders deserves more respect for what he accomplished in college
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Years and years ago, Brian Baldinger was doing his thing
on the Internet and he was really breaking down offensive
line play. I thought was fascinating and I have said
many times on this show, I don't use my hands,
so don't ask me to break down offensive line technique.
He does it better than anybody and really follows the
stuff and has had a great post career. Former Cowboy
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went to Duke, so you know he's smart. Brian Baldinger
is joining us live thirteen years in the league. You
know everybody says, well, it's not a great it's not
a great draft, and like, I'll give you an example.
I watched Mason Graham play fifteen times. I saw him
grab and throw all conference offensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
But his ceiling's not this. I don't know what his
ceiling is.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I know what I watched so you tell me, as
an offensive lineman like Mason Graham, if this was a
great draft, would he be middle of the first Like,
I just see a wildly productive, super aggressive, strong defensive lineman.
That's what my eyes see. What do you see?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
He's a great technician. You know, pad level is important
in his business. Low man wins. He plays with great
pad level. He has great hands, he can stack anybody.
You talk about the offensive lineman he's going up against
against Ohio State, you know, Penn State, some really wickedly
good offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And he stacks and he sheds him and he holds
his ground yep.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And you know, you can win a lot of one
on ones when you played with great technique and you've
got strong hands and all that kind of stuff. So
reminds me of what Leonard Williams was, Yeah, when he
came out in this draft. And ten years later, Glendon
Williams is playing the best football of his career. But
that's what he was coming out of USC column and
that's what he reminds me of.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, so I want to talk about my staff can
get Kelvin Banks ready? So everybody tells me it's not
a great offensive line draft. Again, I watched six Texas games.
I watched them when they played great teams. Kelvin Banks
was squishing people. So you tell me, as an offensive lineman,
he's big. The size is indisputable, high school and college dominant.
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Why isn't he considered great?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Well?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I think you know, you see, you know, he's gotten
beat It's not like he's shut everybody out this year,
but you know, he's got dancing bear feet with a
big body, long arms, long enough anyways, and he's going
against the best at Texas A and M and you
know the SEC.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
The last few years. The best thing to happen to
Texas is.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
For them to join the SEC, get out of the
big twelve and go up against SEC type defensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
For a guy like Kelvin Banks, it's the best thing
to happen to. These guys.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
They got really good competition every week going against those schools.
So you go against Georgia twice in the last two years,
like you see, great defense lineman, you can really measure
your progress because the kid came in at you know,
he came in as a five star recruit and started
day one for the Long Wars.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Yeah, and then went up.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
To competition two years ago when they went to the SEC.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know, sometimes we and I've had people tell me this, Colin,
don't outthink the room. Sometimes the answer is right in
front of you. And I said, just think about Shador
Sanders if you pass on him, son of a legend,
historically accurate average thirty three a game with no run.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Game and a battle line and.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Moves well enough. I've seen multiple moments and pictures Brian
of him standing next to people my size. I'm six
two one ninety. He's thicker than you think. But yeah,
he's a real he's a man, he's a big body.
Are we out thinking the room on this kid? Like
we're just picking him apart? And I'm like, I don't know.
Seventy four percent Completetionmbercent is Brian under duress.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's a real number.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
I can't overlook that.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
And he can win from the pocket. That's the busin thing.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
He doesn't have to leave the pocket, I mean wins
from the pocket now.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Pat Sherman was offensive coordinator this year. Colin and I.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Talked to Pat at Shador's pro day in Boulder on
April fourth, and he installed chip Kelly's offense basically the
most simple offense you can have. Inside receivers, outside receivers,
because that was the best way to move the football
because they didn't have a tight end, they had average
offense line, they didn't have a.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Good running back.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
It was Shador and four receivers, and they took over
a program that won one game and were the Sledge
of college football. And they've somehow won nine games last
year and went to a bowl game. So like, he's
elevated that program. But there's not a lot there and
they had and so he got blitzed a lot. He
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got Max Blitz a lot, which no quarterbacks in college
football get. Like I'm talking about Blitz. Zero's send the
safeties after Shador, let's speed him up. See what he does.
And he made a lot of big plays to throw.
The deeper the ball goes, the more accurate it gets.
He's got incredible touch on the deep ball.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So tell me in an NFL locker room. The one
thing about sometimes in baseball, when you break into a
sport like Bryce Harper, there's a way to play the game.
But I've found in the NFL, in the NBA, if
you got swag, if you can play, guys love it,
and I think players will love Travis Hunter. They'll root
for him to play both sides of the ball. I mean,
would you play him both? So what do you make
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of it?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
No, he's he's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
In fact, I was at his pro you know, he
was there catching balls from Schador and honestly, everybody was
there from the NFL some I'm representative from every team.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I think their jaws just dropped.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I mean, the guy is indefatigable here calling and I
don't mean to use a big word here, that's the
only word I can find the guy has. He's got
Michael Jordan type endurance. He does not fatigue. I don't
care at the temperature, the competition. He's the best corner
He plays cornerback the way a thief does. Like he
bakes the quarterback and he gets him to throw it
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to where he wants to. Then he takes it away
from him and on the other side of the ball.
His ability to adjust to a ball in the air
is what we see from Garrett Wilson, Davonte Adams, some
of the great receivers in his game. He's got he
didn't wear any gloves at Shador's pro day. His hands
are so good you don't even feel like now he
all wear gloves in a game, but he catches everything
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and it's you just can't take your eyes off. And
I'll just say this, we're in the entertainment business, colin
the NFL, we're entertainers.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You talked about star powers at WNBA. That's why we watch.
It's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Any ten year old kid that's gonna go watch Travis
Hunter next year in Cleveland where he's going because they
fell in love with him that day. They're gonna buy
a Travis Hunter jersey before he ever puts it on,
and they're gonna want to play both ways. He's gonna
start a trend. It's gonna happen. You have to play
them both ways. I don't know what the number of
snaps are, if it's one hundred a game, but you've
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got to start him on one side of the ball
and play him on the other side in a variety
of packages because I just think he's that talented.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, here's somebody I'm a little cool on, Jackson Dart.
It reminds me of a little thicker Zach Wilson, same
high school, same body type, same offense.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
When you sped the game up for Zach at BYU,
when you speed it up a little for Jackson, he
wasn't quite the same. There's a certain comfort level, and
I watched them several times. I do think he is
an NFL quarterback. I thought, I still think Zach is.
I think it's I'm here in all this top twelve
fifteen stuff. I don't know, Brian, what's the tape say
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to you?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
It's not just the tape. If there's an emotional part
to this game where he's just too like Zach Wilson,
Like it's just too frenetic on the sidelines, the emotions,
whether it's tears or whether it's joy like, there's not
any sort.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Of well I expect it. I'm a three year starter
at Mississippi. I'm expecting to go beat you know, Georgia,
you know, on a Saturday night. And he did, and
he played well in the game and took care of
the ball. But I just think there's this emotional rollercoaster
to how he plays and who he is, which I
don't know if that's I don't know if it's bad,
but I know when I see it, it can work
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against him, and I see that from him, and so
I don't think he's a top fifteen pick. You could
talk yourself into it, because you can go watch the
game against Georgia. You can watch the gay last game
he played against Duke in the Gator Bowl, where he
threw for four hundred yards, threw four touchdown passes, did
make a mistake. You can fall in love with him,
but I think the Zach Wilson thing is a pretty
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good comparison right now.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, okay, I'm going to show you my mock draft.
Now this isn't my mock draft. So what I do,
Brian is I've always said if I didn't do this,
I'd want to be in an NFL GM. It's not going
to happen, I know it. But if I didn't do this,
I would do that. Yeah, So this is who I
would draft if I was the GMS of this team.
Just tell me something that you agree with and there's
something you don't buy.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I saw Cam Woret in Miami's pro day, and all
of Tennessee was there, including the reporters that report from Tennessee.
They fell in love with that day. That's a Cleveland
from Jimmy Haslm to Andrew Barry to Kevin Stefanski. They
fell in love with Travis Hunter. He's going to Cleveland.
The one thing I'd say, and I don't disagree with
your door going to the Giants. They're working about today.
Today's Thursday. They're working them out in Boulder today. But
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if they passed an, I'll dual Carter after they passed
on Micah Parsons. After you look at the rich history
of past Rushers with the New York Chinians, Like every
Giant fan was gonna go If a doll Carter lights
it up and Shador sits behind Russell or whatever, They're
gonna go nuts. They're like everybody the owner is gonna
fire himself, you know. So that's the only question I have.
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Are you gonna pass an Obdul? And maybe what greatness
looks like? Especially what could be a Giants' uniform that
might be something that they never ever wearing number eleven,
wearing mics number like that might be unforgivable right there.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Let me tell one more.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think Ashton Gent works with the Raiders because I
think Gino off play action is actually pretty good. Gino
on third and eleven and everybody knows he's throwing makes mistakes.
Gent played at Boise State five eight. Some have said
small does that?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I see muscles on top of muscles.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The guy is a like he looks like a bodybuilder,
but he's agile. Like Look, chip Kelly's the offense coordinated
with the Raiders when Chip went to Philadelphia. That was
Shady McCoy's two best years. He led the league in
rushing in chip Kelly's first year, He's spread you out
and played up tempo to run the ball like this,
You're going to get a lot of a college atmosphere
offense from Chip Kelly with the Raiders this year.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I teak Gent is the perfect chess piece to go
play with right now.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
That's exciting.
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Speaker 1 (11:23):
You know you played for the Cowboys. Do you think
they'll draft a running back? Potentially they need it. You
have no run game. What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
They have like one hundred picks. Honestly, like they should
go trade up to get Ashton Genty. Wow, I played
with Tony Dorset. You know, there's been emmittt. Smith, There's
been z There's been you know, all kinds of great
running backs in Dallas. They've gone now a couple of
years once.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Zeke really started to decline. Where it's falling apart.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
This is the rich history of the Cowboys, you know,
is at running back, and you go back to Walt
Garrison and Dan Reeves and everybody else that played there,
like they need a star running back. That's what's been
missing from this offense here for the last three or
four years.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Brian Baldinger, You're great, Baldy. NFL network is always great stuff.
Thanks man, Thank thanks GM thought you so.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, he's so good. Yeah. So he's got the Jackson
Dart concerns.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And listen.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I just got a steak dinner two nights ago from
an unnamed source on this. I want you know, I
watched a lot of college football. You watch a lot
of college football. I didn't see a first round guy,
little hit and miss for me, just just just.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Not clean enough for me.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And I've said this, I like Jalen Milroll so much
about Jalen Jalen's too mechanical to be a star quarterback
in the NFL. But I do think you could take
him in, write coach. Some of this stuff, A lot
of it is who do you get. I mean, Jackson
Dart goes to the Rams and sits for two years
with them, Fay, then you get a different outcome than
him going to the Saints and starting tomorrow, you know,
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rushing him in when he's not quite ready.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now, this is the headline news.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Colin I reported last night that Raiders star left tackle
Colton Miller has not had any contract negotiations with the team. Okay,
why does that matter. He's in the final year of
his contract with no guaranteed money left on his deal,
making twelve point three million next year. Meanwhile, the top
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half of the offensive tackle markets making more than double that.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
So you're talking about a premiere left tackle at a
premier position.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
You just paid Geno, you just paid Max.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
Do the right thing if you're Pete Carroll, spy Tech Brady,
Now take care of a guy who's really been the
anchor of a unit who has which has had tremendous turnover.
That offensive line has been a disaster unmitigated.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, these five plus six positions, you gotta pay.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Left tackles are.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Second one hundred percent. Man.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
And if I'm if I'm the Raiders, why not send
the right message. We talked about the Dolphins yesterday with
Chris Greer not sending the right message, for example, when
he doesn't pay it to Von Hollins or a Robert
Hunt or a Kristen Wilkins. Take care of your own
it should be a priority, and I imagine it will
be as we move forward.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I like Colton Miller. Yeah, and if you're gonna pay
your quarterback, you gotta pay.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Your left tack top top ten tecle started and they're
not paying their center, their right tackle for years because
they got him last year in the.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Draft and he started every game last year and was
one of the top graded left tackles the last ten
twelve games of the year by PFS.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, so remember who are they paying. They're paying Gino,
They're not paying Brock, They're not paying their center, they're
not paying the right tackle. They're not going to pay
a running back they draft and you they often Yeah,
I mean they're paying Max Crosby. They should and they're
paying a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They should.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They've got money that they're they're go go pay your
left tackle.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
It spot on Giants GM.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Joe Shane has been getting some last looks at the
top prospects in the class. As I've been reporting. He
actually we just said heer from baldy Uh in Boulder
today for Shure. There's a perception they are locked in.
The Giants Abdul Carter at three. Colin, I'm not sold yet.
Here's what Joe Shane said of the Penn State pass rusher.
Speaker 9 (15:21):
Everybody watched the Super Bowl right and Philly rushed with
how many four the whole game. He gives you a
lot of options. He was a versatile player. He's young,
just you know, it's twenty one years old, and you know,
exciting player to watch. But yeah, you can't have enough,
can enough pass rushers?
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Colin, there's a there is a scenario in which the
Giants pass on Carter.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
You have shad Or mocked there at three.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
Everyone seems to assume the Giants are gonna go Carter
at three. I'm not necessarily there yet. He visited New England,
which I thought was strategic.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
They picked four.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
I don't know what the Giants should do, but I
do know that just because you have a really good
defensive line Dexter Lawrence, Bryan Burns, Thibodeau, that doesn't mean
you should pass on a potentially generational player in Avgill Carter.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I mean it's in this draft. He's your best pass rusher.
And again, there's just things in this league that when
they're available, you never go wrong getting the best pass
rusher in a draft, the best left tackle, the best quarterback,
the best weapon, the best center, the best safety. Like,
if you can get the best anything in a draft.
I remember a couple of years ago when in a
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draft the Ravens took a center and a safety and
people are like, wow, in the first round. They're both
good Kyle Hamilton, they're both awesome players. So if you
get the best of any position, Quentin Nelson went Clinton,
Nelson is still the best offensive lineman all these years
later for the Colts.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
And that's what we think gent is. So if you
think he's the best, you should draft him at six.
Just because you you maybe think you're overdrafting someone at
a position, none of If it's the best, you take him.
If I'm the Giants. I have to take a really
long look at Carter and I'm just not convinced yet
that he is locked in there.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
At three.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Former Brown's running back Nick Chubb has recovered from his
gruesome knee injury last year, and here's some proof. Chubb
recently posted him squatting five hundred pounds on Instagram with
a caption, I already wrote my ending when I'm just
getting started. Look at this man, Oh Colin, here's my
thing with Nick Chubb. Man, we saw the running back
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doesn't matter nonsense last year with Sakwan Barkley, with Derek Henry,
with Josh Jacobs, they were all sensational.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Nick Chobb is a proven commodity.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
All Pro, four time Pro bowler. They're talking about him
like he's done, like he's thirty five. He's twenty nine
years old. I know, I know he's coming off of
major injury, but look at this.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
This is not normal stuff. Oh you get him or Cleland,
bring him back.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I'm not taking him. I'm not paying a running back
off of major You don't have to pay him.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
I'm not saying pay him ten million. I'm saying, bring
him back. If your Cleveland or if you're someone else,
go get him.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I there's a he's got a number. He's he's there's
too many good running backs in the draft. There's a
number with him.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
The Browns need good players.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Okay, the Browns need to save money because they overpaid
for Deshaun Watsons.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Okay, they need expensive labor.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Both can be true, Yes, okay.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
The forty nine ers have a lot of decisions to
make this offseason. But linebacker Fred Warner, the all world linebacker,
is not worried. He has a crazy resume, Allpro in
San Francisco, but it's still missing that.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Elusive super Bowl. Warner's confident that's coming.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Soup one thousand. You know, my confidence at all time
high because I know what I'm capable of. I know
what our locker rooms capable of, our front office, everybody
that's involved. We we've been to the pinnacle. We just
have to overcome that that hurdle at the end.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Yeah, he's the best in the business, but this roster
is in flux. They're gonna have to pay Rock Perdy.
I believe that deal gets done this offseason. I believe
that numbers stick.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
They have five, Yeah, they have twelve. Draft picks, and
a lot of these guys they left. They didn't want
to leave, they didn't want to lose. So let's say
they hit on seven to eight of their draft picks.
Two of them need to be on the O line,
two of them need to be in the secondary. They're
a fascinating draft team because they're getting really old. I
thought they should have made some moves off personnel two
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years ago. They're getting real old and real brittled and
real expensive.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
This is a huge.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Draft, and it's you'd rather have a huge draft in
a great draft. But there I think they need to
get a left tackle, a running back. Yeah, they can
stay away from wide receiver. I think they could go
try to go find a backup quarterback, believe it or not,
and a couple of corners of safety, two linebackers.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
The roster's gonna look a lot different.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Green Law's gone, Ufunga's gone, Mooney Ward's gone. I mean,
there's a lot of pressure on Kyle Shannan a lot,
and I think there's a lot of pressure on brock Purty.
They also have the Kittle Fitch situation. They have Iu
coming back from injury. Fret Williams, you talked about. It
just feels like this division has shifted from San Francisco
to the Rams in a significant way.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Rams books are much cleaner. They're young and inexpensive on
defense and super talented and yeah there, and they got
their O line right now, and it outside of Havenstein,
who's pretty expensive for right tackle, pretty inexpensive.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
And they hit on both Fisk and Verse, so they
got too and.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
They hit on Kyron Williams and Puka, So they have
just done them. When you when you hit stars in
fourth and fifth round picks, you you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's what Cleveland has to do.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If Cleveland goes out and hits on three players in
the fourth, fifth and sixth round, that's how you get
out from under a Deshaun Watson contract where you got
when you have guys you're not paying for four years.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Well, think about what Seattle did when they built their
not dynasty, but two super Bowls they won one.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Yeah, kJ Wright, Bobby wed.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Sam Chandler, Richard Sherman for third, fourth, fifth rounders. Okay,
so Russell Wilson third rounder, that's how you build.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
So Cleveland, that's a lot of pressure. We mentioned them.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
I think this is a massive draft for San Francisco.
I think they have the most picks of the draft
with twelve, so.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Lots to do.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Jordan with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping that. The Herd line.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
The big Boy Playoffs in the NBA start Saturday. We
got to look at Dallas one last night. Miami won.
I still think KD Miami feels like a play you
could give. You can give Phoenix Tyler hero maybe if
you want, you're gonna have to give them something in return.
You got to give him some flash in return. But
the Phoenix situations a mass coaching roster. I'm not sure
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Phoenix is. They don't have a ton of draft picks.
I'm not sure what you give up. But Bradville, well
they want. I'm not sure Brad has a market. So
but Katie to Miami feels really good.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I liked that with fau Spaul understands stars too.
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Speaker 3 (23:16):
So this is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Aaron Rodgers was on the Other Place today over to ESPN,
and he said a couple of things, he said. He said,
I'm open to anything and attached to nothing, so yeah,
retirements of possibility. He said, he's not waiting on the Vikings.
That's been widely reported and feels like a pretty good fit.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
He said.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Right now, the focus is on his non football life,
very on brand, so he's not waiting on the vikings.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
This is interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Aaron is not a fan of the new Jets regime,
he said. When he went flew cross country to meet
with head coach Aaron Glenn, Glenn quickly left the room
to get the GM. Rogers expected a long conversation. He'd
flown a cross country. The new GM said, you're sure
you want to play football. Aaron said, I'm interested, and
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the GM said, yeah, we're going in a different direction
in out not interested. And I was told this. I
had this sourced that it wasn't airon the quarterback as
much as Aaron the guy, they just didn't think it
was what they wanted to build around. I was told
that by somebody I trust. So it is surprising. I
will say this. He's saying he's not waiting on the
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Vikings goes against what is being widely reported. He said,
he would play for ten million, what's the point. I
guess it's a contradiction. So he's thinking about non football,
not football. But he would play for ten million when
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you're worth three hundred million. That's weird to me, Like,
are you into it or not? So again with Aaron,
you get a lot of mixed signals. It's it's he'll
play for nothing. But he doesn't care right now a
ton about football. And he just didn't like the way
the Jets treated him. But again, how the Jets treated
him is how the Packers treated him at the end.
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So if you work for two big corporations and at
the end it kind of ends poorly, and they both
treat the same. Maybe it's not them. I'm just gonna
throw that out there. Maybe it's not them. So but
he said he you know, some of it's on brand.
He's like, I think at this point, Aaron just wants
to make sure that he wants to throw a bunch
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of signals out there. He doesn't want anybody anything that's
been reported. I feel like Aaron's going to refute, But
he did not refute how the Jets treated him, which
I was told they just weren't interested in Aaron the quarterbacker,
Aaron the guy like they were. It doesn't make give
him a bad guy. But that's what I mean. You
can respond to that, like that's what I was told.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Yeah, Aaron Glenn was not going to come in with
his first ever head coaching opportunity, and either was Darren
Musey from Denver and stake their claim and Aaron Rodgers.
It wasn't against him personally. They wanted and want an
entirely new operation. Hence justin Fields. Justin Fields isn't a
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perfect quarterback, but he gives them something that Aaron doesn't have, mobility, youth, athleticism.
They wanted to start fresh, and I still think they
can go quarterback in the draft. It's a two year
deal with an out after one. But Aaron Glenn wanted
his stamp, his stamp on the organization. And at Aaron
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Rodgers forty forty one years old, the future Hall of Famer,
you're not gonna get that. He's going to dictate his
terms to you, for better or worse.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Mike garoffalo NFL reporter says, Rogers says no deadline from
the Steelers. He told the Steelers if you have to
move on. Yeah, go for it. I don't owe anybody
at a decision at any point. Reiterates he's dealing with
personal stuff in his inner circle, So I mean he's
just for the record, it's very unbranded. I don't think
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Aaron's trying to fool anybody. This is sort of why
Green Bay and the Jets moved off. It's an urgent
position and Aaron's not very urgent, right, Like, there's certain
positions at this company I work at. We need decisions now.
There are other things you can wait until football season arrives.
There are certain marketing plans, promotional plans, budgets the company
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needs to work on in the next week.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
I remember, going back to when Glenn got the job,
I was told the same thing, that they weren't going
to go the Aaron Rodgers direction. But I will say this,
for him to fly across the country and that GM
head coach to treat.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Him like that not great.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
That's not ideal either, and that's on brand for the
Jets as an organization.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Throw that out there.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, No, it's fair. It's I'm not anti Aeron. I
just think there are certain positions in an organization that
are more serious and that you have to get right
before worrying about anything else. So to be sort of
casual and indifferent is a tough sell to a team.
Like when you got on that plane, you're Aaron. You
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got on that plane and you're in Malibu or wherever
he flew, and he flew to New York, I would
have if I cared about staying really presented a LFG,
not a either way. I mean, how do you think
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that's going to land? I mean, obviously the Jets had
made a decision from the story, like they had made
a decision on him. But you got to go back
to this, like I always say, when somebody gets divorced
and remarried, here's the problem. You know what goes into
the next marriage? You seventy percent of se marriage is
in a divorce. Why because the divorce person is in
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the new marriage. And you were part of the problem.
Aaron tends to be casual and indifferent to an urgent,
absolute position, and so the Jets and Green Bay have
surprised him twice. Both times he's been surprised on they
didn't take his indifference as plus it was not an
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acceptable position. Again, if you're a slot corner. In year nine,
you're a go either way special teams gunner right near
the quarterback. You gotta sell urgency to these teams.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
If you asked me, Colin, hey do you want to
come co hosts with Jay matcout next week or in a.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Give me a few days.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'll let you know on Saturday. About Monday,
you'd say take a hike.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'd say, eat a bolapasta. Come back to me by
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Well, I'm gonna eat the foster either way.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, but it's just it's a very predictable ending. The
Jet story now is like, well that's what green Bay did.
Green Bay, he didn't make you a fly cross country,
but remember he did the Darkness retreat, came out of it.
He's like, I was gonna surprise how they treated me.
There's just a lack of self awareness. Aaron. We know
what you think you are, but how can you be
surprised by the Jets or the packer they did the
same thing to you. They're like, yeah, bro, this isn't working.
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So again I I what do you think?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 8 (30:23):
You think Minnesota is the best fit doesn't sound like
he's going to be a Viking.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
What Aaron is saying, he's not waiting on the Vikings.
He is tell all the people that are you know,
I think that's the best fit. But Aaron is saying,
I'm not really waiting on it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So okay, if.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
He's not waiting on the Vikings and he's not telling
the Steelers what he wants.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
To do, well, what he's telling you is he's got
some stuff in his inner circle. He's working on again,
bad messaging. If I'm a general manager or owner, the
last thing I want is he's got some personal stuff.
He's trying keep it to yourself. It's like, you don't
need to say everything you think on social media. You
don't need to say everything you think when you're still
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potentially looking for That's why I think he's going to retire.
I think he's going to retire, and then the segments
he's given me a lot of.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Content, tremendous content machine.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
But I think sometimes he you know, he he tends
to be a little prickly, and I think at this
point Aaron just doesn't want to land anywhere because he
doesn't want to validate any media reports. Hey, I'm on
the go. I could do I could go either way.
Everybody in the world knows that Minnesota is probably the
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best spot for him. I mean, I've been in this
business a long time. The media people that report Minnesota,
they're not people that make stuff up, so I mean
they're they're I think Minnesota is not as interested in
Aaron as Aaron's interested in Minnesota, so he's going to
sell it like yeah, I don't really care that people
do that a lot when they get spurned.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Never liked it anyway. I think you did a little
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Years and years ago, Brian Baldinger was doing his thing
on the Internet and he was really breaking down offensive
line play. I thought was fascinating and I have said
many times on this show, I don't use my hands,
so don't ask me to break down offensive line technique.
He does it better than anybody and really follows the
stuff and has had a great post career. Former Cowboy
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went to Duke, so you know he's smart. Brian Baldinger
is joining us live thirteen years in the league. You
know everybody says, well, it's not a great it's not
a great draft, and like, I'll give you an example.
I watched Mason Graham play fifteen times. I saw him
grab and throw all conference offensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
But his ceiling's not this. I don't know what his
ceiling is.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I know what I watched so you tell me, as
an offensive lineman like Mason Graham, if this was a
great draft, would he be middle of the first Like,
I just see a wildly productive, super aggressive, strong defensive lineman.
That's what my eyes see. What do you see?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
He's a great technician. You know, pad level is important
in his business. Low man wins. He plays with great
pad level. He has great hands, he can stack anybody.
You talk about the offensive lineman he's going up against
against Ohio State, you know, Penn State, some really wickedly
good offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And he stacks and he sheds him and he holds
his ground yep.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And you know, you can win a lot of one
on ones when you played with great technique and you've
got strong hands and all that kind of stuff. So
reminds me of what Leonard Williams was, Yeah, when he
came out in this draft. And ten years later, Glendon
Williams is playing the best football of his career. But
that's what he was coming out of USC column and
that's what he reminds me of.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, so I want to talk about my staff can
get Kelvin Banks ready? So everybody tells me it's not
a great offensive line draft. Again, I watched six Texas games.
I watched them when they played great teams. Kelvin Banks
was squishing people. So you tell me, as an offensive lineman,
he's big. The size is indisputable, high school and college dominant.
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Why isn't he considered great?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Well?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I think you know, you see, you know, he's gotten
beat It's not like he's shut everybody out this year,
but you know, he's got dancing bear feet with a
big body, long arms, long enough anyways, and he's going
against the best at Texas A and M and you
know the SEC.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
The last few years. The best thing to happen to
Texas is.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
For them to join the SEC, get out of the
big twelve and go up against SEC type defensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
For a guy like Kelvin Banks, it's the best thing
to happen to. These guys.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
They got really good competition every week going against those schools.
So you go against Georgia twice in the last two years,
like you see, great defense lineman, you can really measure
your progress because the kid came in at you know,
he came in as a five star recruit and started
day one for the Long Wars.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Yeah, and then went up.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
To competition two years ago when they went to the SEC.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know, sometimes we and I've had people tell me this, Colin,
don't outthink the room. Sometimes the answer is right in
front of you. And I said, just think about Shador
Sanders if you pass on him, son of a legend,
historically accurate average thirty three a game with no run.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Game and a battle line and.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Moves well enough. I've seen multiple moments and pictures Brian
of him standing next to people my size. I'm six
two one ninety. He's thicker than you think. But yeah,
he's a real he's a man, he's a big body.
Are we out thinking the room on this kid? Like
we're just picking him apart? And I'm like, I don't know.
Seventy four percent Completetionmbercent is Brian under duress.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's a real number.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
I can't overlook that.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
And he can win from the pocket. That's the busin thing.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
He doesn't have to leave the pocket, I mean wins
from the pocket now.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Pat Sherman was offensive coordinator this year. Colin and I.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Talked to Pat at Shador's pro day in Boulder on
April fourth, and he installed chip Kelly's offense basically the
most simple offense you can have. Inside receivers, outside receivers,
because that was the best way to move the football
because they didn't have a tight end, they had average
offense line, they didn't have a.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Good running back.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
It was Shador and four receivers, and they took over
a program that won one game and were the Sledge
of college football. And they've somehow won nine games last
year and went to a bowl game. So like, he's
elevated that program. But there's not a lot there and
they had and so he got blitzed a lot. He
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got Max Blitz a lot, which no quarterbacks in college
football get. Like I'm talking about Blitz. Zero's send the
safeties after Shador, let's speed him up. See what he does.
And he made a lot of big plays to throw.
The deeper the ball goes, the more accurate it gets.
He's got incredible touch on the deep ball.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So tell me in an NFL locker room. The one
thing about sometimes in baseball, when you break into a
sport like Bryce Harper, there's a way to play the game.
But I've found in the NFL, in the NBA, if
you got swag, if you can play, guys love it,
and I think players will love Travis Hunter. They'll root
for him to play both sides of the ball. I mean,
would you play him both? So what do you make
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of it?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
No, he's he's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
In fact, I was at his pro you know, he
was there catching balls from Schador and honestly, everybody was
there from the NFL some I'm representative from every team.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I think their jaws just dropped.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I mean, the guy is indefatigable here calling and I
don't mean to use a big word here, that's the
only word I can find the guy has. He's got
Michael Jordan type endurance. He does not fatigue. I don't
care at the temperature, the competition. He's the best corner
He plays cornerback the way a thief does. Like he
bakes the quarterback and he gets him to throw it
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to where he wants to. Then he takes it away
from him and on the other side of the ball.
His ability to adjust to a ball in the air
is what we see from Garrett Wilson, Davonte Adams, some
of the great receivers in his game. He's got he
didn't wear any gloves at Shador's pro day. His hands
are so good you don't even feel like now he
all wear gloves in a game, but he catches everything
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and it's you just can't take your eyes off. And
I'll just say this, we're in the entertainment business, colin
the NFL, we're entertainers.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You talked about star powers at WNBA. That's why we watch.
It's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Any ten year old kid that's gonna go watch Travis
Hunter next year in Cleveland where he's going because they
fell in love with him that day. They're gonna buy
a Travis Hunter jersey before he ever puts it on,
and they're gonna want to play both ways. He's gonna
start a trend. It's gonna happen. You have to play
them both ways. I don't know what the number of
snaps are, if it's one hundred a game, but you've
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got to start him on one side of the ball
and play him on the other side in a variety
of packages because I just think he's that talented.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, here's somebody I'm a little cool on, Jackson Dart.
It reminds me of a little thicker Zach Wilson, same
high school, same body type, same offense.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
When you sped the game up for Zach at BYU,
when you speed it up a little for Jackson, he
wasn't quite the same. There's a certain comfort level, and
I watched them several times. I do think he is
an NFL quarterback. I thought, I still think Zach is.
I think it's I'm here in all this top twelve
fifteen stuff. I don't know, Brian, what's the tape say
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to you?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
It's not just the tape. If there's an emotional part
to this game where he's just too like Zach Wilson,
Like it's just too frenetic on the sidelines, the emotions,
whether it's tears or whether it's joy like, there's not
any sort.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Of well I expect it. I'm a three year starter
at Mississippi. I'm expecting to go beat you know, Georgia,
you know, on a Saturday night. And he did, and
he played well in the game and took care of
the ball. But I just think there's this emotional rollercoaster
to how he plays and who he is, which I
don't know if that's I don't know if it's bad,
but I know when I see it, it can work
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against him, and I see that from him, and so
I don't think he's a top fifteen pick. You could
talk yourself into it, because you can go watch the
game against Georgia. You can watch the gay last game
he played against Duke in the Gator Bowl, where he
threw for four hundred yards, threw four touchdown passes, did
make a mistake. You can fall in love with him,
but I think the Zach Wilson thing is a pretty
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good comparison right now.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, okay, I'm going to show you my mock draft.
Now this isn't my mock draft. So what I do,
Brian is I've always said if I didn't do this,
I'd want to be in an NFL GM. It's not going
to happen, I know it. But if I didn't do this,
I would do that. Yeah, So this is who I
would draft if I was the GMS of this team.
Just tell me something that you agree with and there's
something you don't buy.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I saw Cam Woret in Miami's pro day, and all
of Tennessee was there, including the reporters that report from Tennessee.
They fell in love with that day. That's a Cleveland
from Jimmy Haslm to Andrew Barry to Kevin Stefanski. They
fell in love with Travis Hunter. He's going to Cleveland.
The one thing I'd say, and I don't disagree with
your door going to the Giants. They're working about today.
Today's Thursday. They're working them out in Boulder today. But
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if they passed an, I'll dual Carter after they passed
on Micah Parsons. After you look at the rich history
of past Rushers with the New York Chinians, Like every
Giant fan was gonna go If a doll Carter lights
it up and Shador sits behind Russell or whatever, They're
gonna go nuts. They're like everybody the owner is gonna
fire himself, you know. So that's the only question I have.
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Are you gonna pass an Obdul? And maybe what greatness
looks like? Especially what could be a Giants' uniform that
might be something that they never ever wearing number eleven,
wearing mics number like that might be unforgivable right there.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Let me tell one more.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think Ashton Gent works with the Raiders because I
think Gino off play action is actually pretty good. Gino
on third and eleven and everybody knows he's throwing makes mistakes.
Gent played at Boise State five eight. Some have said
small does that?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
What do you see?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I see muscles on top of muscles.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The guy is a like he looks like a bodybuilder,
but he's agile. Like Look, chip Kelly's the offense coordinated
with the Raiders when Chip went to Philadelphia. That was
Shady McCoy's two best years. He led the league in
rushing in chip Kelly's first year, He's spread you out
and played up tempo to run the ball like this,
You're going to get a lot of a college atmosphere
offense from Chip Kelly with the Raiders this year.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I teak Gent is the perfect chess piece to go
play with right now.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
That's exciting.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
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Speaker 1 (11:23):
You know you played for the Cowboys. Do you think
they'll draft a running back? Potentially they need it. You
have no run game. What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
They have like one hundred picks. Honestly, like they should
go trade up to get Ashton Genty. Wow, I played
with Tony Dorset. You know, there's been emmittt. Smith, There's
been z There's been you know, all kinds of great
running backs in Dallas. They've gone now a couple of
years once.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Zeke really started to decline. Where it's falling apart.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
This is the rich history of the Cowboys, you know,
is at running back, and you go back to Walt
Garrison and Dan Reeves and everybody else that played there,
like they need a star running back. That's what's been
missing from this offense here for the last three or
four years.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Brian Baldinger, You're great, Baldy. NFL network is always great stuff.
Thanks man, Thank thanks GM thought you so.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, he's so good. Yeah. So he's got the Jackson
Dart concerns.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And listen.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I just got a steak dinner two nights ago from
an unnamed source on this. I want you know, I
watched a lot of college football. You watch a lot
of college football. I didn't see a first round guy,
little hit and miss for me, just just just.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Not clean enough for me.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And I've said this, I like Jalen Milroll so much
about Jalen Jalen's too mechanical to be a star quarterback
in the NFL. But I do think you could take
him in, write coach. Some of this stuff, A lot
of it is who do you get. I mean, Jackson
Dart goes to the Rams and sits for two years
with them, Fay, then you get a different outcome than
him going to the Saints and starting tomorrow, you know,
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rushing him in when he's not quite ready.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Jordan with the news.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now, this is the headline news.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Colin I reported last night that Raiders star left tackle
Colton Miller has not had any contract negotiations with the team. Okay,
why does that matter. He's in the final year of
his contract with no guaranteed money left on his deal,
making twelve point three million next year. Meanwhile, the top
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half of the offensive tackle markets making more than double that.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
So you're talking about a premiere left tackle at a
premier position.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
You just paid Geno, you just paid Max.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
Do the right thing if you're Pete Carroll, spy Tech Brady,
Now take care of a guy who's really been the
anchor of a unit who has which has had tremendous turnover.
That offensive line has been a disaster unmitigated.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, these five plus six positions, you gotta pay.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Left tackles are.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Second one hundred percent. Man.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
And if I'm if I'm the Raiders, why not send
the right message. We talked about the Dolphins yesterday with
Chris Greer not sending the right message, for example, when
he doesn't pay it to Von Hollins or a Robert
Hunt or a Kristen Wilkins. Take care of your own
it should be a priority, and I imagine it will
be as we move forward.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I like Colton Miller. Yeah, and if you're gonna pay
your quarterback, you gotta pay.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Your left tack top top ten tecle started and they're
not paying their center, their right tackle for years because
they got him last year in the.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Draft and he started every game last year and was
one of the top graded left tackles the last ten
twelve games of the year by PFS.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, so remember who are they paying. They're paying Gino,
They're not paying Brock, They're not paying their center, they're
not paying the right tackle. They're not going to pay
a running back they draft and you they often Yeah,
I mean they're paying Max Crosby. They should and they're
paying a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They should.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They've got money that they're they're go go pay your
left tackle.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
It spot on Giants GM.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Joe Shane has been getting some last looks at the
top prospects in the class. As I've been reporting. He
actually we just said heer from baldy Uh in Boulder
today for Shure. There's a perception they are locked in.
The Giants Abdul Carter at three. Colin, I'm not sold yet.
Here's what Joe Shane said of the Penn State pass rusher.
Speaker 9 (15:21):
Everybody watched the Super Bowl right and Philly rushed with
how many four the whole game. He gives you a
lot of options. He was a versatile player. He's young,
just you know, it's twenty one years old, and you know,
exciting player to watch. But yeah, you can't have enough,
can enough pass rushers?
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Colin, there's a there is a scenario in which the
Giants pass on Carter.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
You have shad Or mocked there at three.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
Everyone seems to assume the Giants are gonna go Carter
at three. I'm not necessarily there yet. He visited New England,
which I thought was strategic.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
They picked four.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
I don't know what the Giants should do, but I
do know that just because you have a really good
defensive line Dexter Lawrence, Bryan Burns, Thibodeau, that doesn't mean
you should pass on a potentially generational player in Avgill Carter.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I mean it's in this draft. He's your best pass rusher.
And again, there's just things in this league that when
they're available, you never go wrong getting the best pass
rusher in a draft, the best left tackle, the best quarterback,
the best weapon, the best center, the best safety. Like,
if you can get the best anything in a draft.
I remember a couple of years ago when in a
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draft the Ravens took a center and a safety and
people are like, wow, in the first round. They're both
good Kyle Hamilton, they're both awesome players. So if you
get the best of any position, Quentin Nelson went Clinton,
Nelson is still the best offensive lineman all these years
later for the Colts.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
And that's what we think gent is. So if you
think he's the best, you should draft him at six.
Just because you you maybe think you're overdrafting someone at
a position, none of If it's the best, you take him.
If I'm the Giants. I have to take a really
long look at Carter and I'm just not convinced yet
that he is locked in there.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
At three.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Former Brown's running back Nick Chubb has recovered from his
gruesome knee injury last year, and here's some proof. Chubb
recently posted him squatting five hundred pounds on Instagram with
a caption, I already wrote my ending when I'm just
getting started. Look at this man, Oh Colin, here's my
thing with Nick Chubb. Man, we saw the running back
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doesn't matter nonsense last year with Sakwan Barkley, with Derek Henry,
with Josh Jacobs, they were all sensational.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Nick Chobb is a proven commodity.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
All Pro, four time Pro bowler. They're talking about him
like he's done, like he's thirty five. He's twenty nine
years old. I know, I know he's coming off of
major injury, but look at this.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
This is not normal stuff. Oh you get him or Cleland,
bring him back.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I'm not taking him. I'm not paying a running back
off of major You don't have to pay him.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
I'm not saying pay him ten million. I'm saying, bring
him back. If your Cleveland or if you're someone else,
go get him.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I there's a he's got a number. He's he's there's
too many good running backs in the draft. There's a
number with him.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
The Browns need good players.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Okay, the Browns need to save money because they overpaid
for Deshaun Watsons.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Okay, they need expensive labor.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Both can be true, Yes, okay.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
The forty nine ers have a lot of decisions to
make this offseason. But linebacker Fred Warner, the all world linebacker,
is not worried. He has a crazy resume, Allpro in
San Francisco, but it's still missing that.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Elusive super Bowl. Warner's confident that's coming.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Soup one thousand. You know, my confidence at all time
high because I know what I'm capable of. I know
what our locker rooms capable of, our front office, everybody
that's involved. We we've been to the pinnacle. We just
have to overcome that that hurdle at the end.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Yeah, he's the best in the business, but this roster
is in flux. They're gonna have to pay Rock Perdy.
I believe that deal gets done this offseason. I believe
that numbers stick.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
They have five, Yeah, they have twelve. Draft picks, and
a lot of these guys they left. They didn't want
to leave, they didn't want to lose. So let's say
they hit on seven to eight of their draft picks.
Two of them need to be on the O line,
two of them need to be in the secondary. They're
a fascinating draft team because they're getting really old. I
thought they should have made some moves off personnel two
(19:29):
years ago. They're getting real old and real brittled and
real expensive.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
This is a huge.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Draft, and it's you'd rather have a huge draft in
a great draft. But there I think they need to
get a left tackle, a running back. Yeah, they can
stay away from wide receiver. I think they could go
try to go find a backup quarterback, believe it or not,
and a couple of corners of safety, two linebackers.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
The roster's gonna look a lot different.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Green Law's gone, Ufunga's gone, Mooney Ward's gone. I mean,
there's a lot of pressure on Kyle Shannan a lot,
and I think there's a lot of pressure on brock Purty.
They also have the Kittle Fitch situation. They have Iu
coming back from injury. Fret Williams, you talked about. It
just feels like this division has shifted from San Francisco
to the Rams in a significant way.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Rams books are much cleaner. They're young and inexpensive on
defense and super talented and yeah there, and they got
their O line right now, and it outside of Havenstein,
who's pretty expensive for right tackle, pretty inexpensive.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
And they hit on both Fisk and Verse, so they
got too and.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
They hit on Kyron Williams and Puka, So they have
just done them. When you when you hit stars in
fourth and fifth round picks, you you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's what Cleveland has to do.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If Cleveland goes out and hits on three players in
the fourth, fifth and sixth round, that's how you get
out from under a Deshaun Watson contract where you got
when you have guys you're not paying for four years.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Well, think about what Seattle did when they built their
not dynasty, but two super Bowls they won one.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Yeah, kJ Wright, Bobby wed.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Sam Chandler, Richard Sherman for third, fourth, fifth rounders. Okay,
so Russell Wilson third rounder, that's how you build.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
So Cleveland, that's a lot of pressure. We mentioned them.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
I think this is a massive draft for San Francisco.
I think they have the most picks of the draft
with twelve, so.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Lots to do.
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The big Boy Playoffs in the NBA start Saturday. We
got to look at Dallas one last night. Miami won.
I still think KD Miami feels like a play you
could give. You can give Phoenix Tyler hero maybe if
you want, you're gonna have to give them something in return.
You got to give him some flash in return. But
the Phoenix situations a mass coaching roster. I'm not sure
(21:54):
Phoenix is. They don't have a ton of draft picks.
I'm not sure what you give up. But Bradville, well
they want. I'm not sure Brad has a market. So
but Katie to Miami feels really good.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I liked that with fau Spaul understands stars too.
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Speaker 3 (23:16):
So this is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Aaron Rodgers was on the Other Place today over to ESPN,
and he said a couple of things, he said. He said,
I'm open to anything and attached to nothing, so yeah,
retirements of possibility. He said, he's not waiting on the Vikings.
That's been widely reported and feels like a pretty good fit.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
He said.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Right now, the focus is on his non football life,
very on brand, so he's not waiting on the vikings.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
This is interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Aaron is not a fan of the new Jets regime,
he said. When he went flew cross country to meet
with head coach Aaron Glenn, Glenn quickly left the room
to get the GM. Rogers expected a long conversation. He'd
flown a cross country. The new GM said, you're sure
you want to play football. Aaron said, I'm interested, and
(24:16):
the GM said, yeah, we're going in a different direction
in out not interested. And I was told this. I
had this sourced that it wasn't airon the quarterback as
much as Aaron the guy, they just didn't think it
was what they wanted to build around. I was told
that by somebody I trust. So it is surprising. I
will say this. He's saying he's not waiting on the
(24:40):
Vikings goes against what is being widely reported. He said,
he would play for ten million, what's the point. I
guess it's a contradiction. So he's thinking about non football,
not football. But he would play for ten million when
(25:02):
you're worth three hundred million. That's weird to me, Like,
are you into it or not? So again with Aaron,
you get a lot of mixed signals. It's it's he'll
play for nothing. But he doesn't care right now a
ton about football. And he just didn't like the way
the Jets treated him. But again, how the Jets treated
him is how the Packers treated him at the end.
(25:23):
So if you work for two big corporations and at
the end it kind of ends poorly, and they both
treat the same. Maybe it's not them. I'm just gonna
throw that out there. Maybe it's not them. So but
he said he you know, some of it's on brand.
He's like, I think at this point, Aaron just wants
to make sure that he wants to throw a bunch
(25:45):
of signals out there. He doesn't want anybody anything that's
been reported. I feel like Aaron's going to refute, But
he did not refute how the Jets treated him, which
I was told they just weren't interested in Aaron the quarterbacker,
Aaron the guy like they were. It doesn't make give
him a bad guy. But that's what I mean. You
can respond to that, like that's what I was told.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Yeah, Aaron Glenn was not going to come in with
his first ever head coaching opportunity, and either was Darren
Musey from Denver and stake their claim and Aaron Rodgers.
It wasn't against him personally. They wanted and want an
entirely new operation. Hence justin Fields. Justin Fields isn't a
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perfect quarterback, but he gives them something that Aaron doesn't have, mobility, youth, athleticism.
They wanted to start fresh, and I still think they
can go quarterback in the draft. It's a two year
deal with an out after one. But Aaron Glenn wanted
his stamp, his stamp on the organization. And at Aaron
(26:47):
Rodgers forty forty one years old, the future Hall of Famer,
you're not gonna get that. He's going to dictate his
terms to you, for better or worse.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Mike garoffalo NFL reporter says, Rogers says no deadline from
the Steelers. He told the Steelers if you have to
move on. Yeah, go for it. I don't owe anybody
at a decision at any point. Reiterates he's dealing with
personal stuff in his inner circle, So I mean he's
just for the record, it's very unbranded. I don't think
(27:16):
Aaron's trying to fool anybody. This is sort of why
Green Bay and the Jets moved off. It's an urgent
position and Aaron's not very urgent, right, Like, there's certain
positions at this company I work at. We need decisions now.
There are other things you can wait until football season arrives.
There are certain marketing plans, promotional plans, budgets the company
(27:38):
needs to work on in the next week.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
I remember, going back to when Glenn got the job,
I was told the same thing, that they weren't going
to go the Aaron Rodgers direction. But I will say this,
for him to fly across the country and that GM
head coach to treat.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Him like that not great.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
That's not ideal either, and that's on brand for the
Jets as an organization.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Throw that out there.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, No, it's fair. It's I'm not anti Aeron. I
just think there are certain positions in an organization that
are more serious and that you have to get right
before worrying about anything else. So to be sort of
casual and indifferent is a tough sell to a team.
Like when you got on that plane, you're Aaron. You
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got on that plane and you're in Malibu or wherever
he flew, and he flew to New York, I would
have if I cared about staying really presented a LFG,
not a either way. I mean, how do you think
(28:43):
that's going to land? I mean, obviously the Jets had
made a decision from the story, like they had made
a decision on him. But you got to go back
to this, like I always say, when somebody gets divorced
and remarried, here's the problem. You know what goes into
the next marriage? You seventy percent of se marriage is
in a divorce. Why because the divorce person is in
(29:04):
the new marriage. And you were part of the problem.
Aaron tends to be casual and indifferent to an urgent,
absolute position, and so the Jets and Green Bay have
surprised him twice. Both times he's been surprised on they
didn't take his indifference as plus it was not an
(29:26):
acceptable position. Again, if you're a slot corner. In year nine,
you're a go either way special teams gunner right near
the quarterback. You gotta sell urgency to these teams.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
If you asked me, Colin, hey do you want to
come co hosts with Jay matcout next week or in a.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Give me a few days.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'll let you know on Saturday. About Monday,
you'd say take a hike.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'd say, eat a bolapasta. Come back to me by
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Well, I'm gonna eat the foster either way.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, but it's just it's a very predictable ending. The
Jet story now is like, well that's what green Bay did.
Green Bay, he didn't make you a fly cross country,
but remember he did the Darkness retreat, came out of it.
He's like, I was gonna surprise how they treated me.
There's just a lack of self awareness. Aaron. We know
what you think you are, but how can you be
surprised by the Jets or the packer they did the
same thing to you. They're like, yeah, bro, this isn't working.
(30:18):
So again I I what do you think?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 8 (30:23):
You think Minnesota is the best fit doesn't sound like
he's going to be a Viking.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
What Aaron is saying, he's not waiting on the Vikings.
He is tell all the people that are you know,
I think that's the best fit. But Aaron is saying,
I'm not really waiting on it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So okay, if.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
He's not waiting on the Vikings and he's not telling
the Steelers what he wants.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
To do, well, what he's telling you is he's got
some stuff in his inner circle. He's working on again,
bad messaging. If I'm a general manager or owner, the
last thing I want is he's got some personal stuff.
He's trying keep it to yourself. It's like, you don't
need to say everything you think on social media. You
don't need to say everything you think when you're still
(31:05):
potentially looking for That's why I think he's going to retire.
I think he's going to retire, and then the segments
he's given me a lot of.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Content, tremendous content machine.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
But I think sometimes he you know, he he tends
to be a little prickly, and I think at this
point Aaron just doesn't want to land anywhere because he
doesn't want to validate any media reports. Hey, I'm on
the go. I could do I could go either way.
Everybody in the world knows that Minnesota is probably the
(31:39):
best spot for him. I mean, I've been in this
business a long time. The media people that report Minnesota,
they're not people that make stuff up, so I mean
they're they're I think Minnesota is not as interested in
Aaron as Aaron's interested in Minnesota, so he's going to
sell it like yeah, I don't really care that people
do that a lot when they get spurned.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Never liked it anyway. I think you did a little
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