June 16, 2025 • 38 mins
NBA analyst Rachel Nichols joins the show to give the latest on the Kevin Durant trade market and which contenders are in pursuit of the 2-time Finals MVP
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. And with that, Rachel Nichols
is now joining us live on an unbelievable performance. And
I said this earlier, it's not anti Beyonce to say
Taylor Swift Tour change the economy in LA, which it did.
It's not anti Beyonce. Do you think the w NBA
is actually kind of coming to terms with Okay, this
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is really this is Tiger, this is MJ And then listen,
I understand when she came in nobody could predict this.
Nobody could predict this. Do you think the league though,
has kind of come to terms with let's ride the
wave here, this is all time stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah. I think this absence and then how she came
back really sort of solidified all of that because when
she came into the league, obviously interests went way up
and some of the finances went way up, But there
was some argument that it was a little bit of
you know, rising tide lifts all boats, and the popularity
of the league had been increasing anyway, and Angel Reese
was also a big star coming into the league. But
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here we go with Caitlin Clark singularly being missing for
the time she was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And ratings tanking fifty.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Percent in some cases, and then also she comes back
and reminds everyone how spectacular she is, and everybody's talking
about the WNBA. So if you needed to sort of
have it affirmed to you that it is just her,
that the singularity of her is what we are talking about,
and her star power, you got it. With this absence,
and then the way she came back. I thought it
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was fascinating the way other people who have been around
the league for a long time reacted to it. Rebecca Lobo,
for example, She's been around the WNBA for almost three decades.
She said, I've never ever seen anything like this.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
No, I said earlier. I was a kid. I remember
in seventy seven Reggie Jackson getting three home runs off
three pitchers on three pitches, And I can remember as
a kid being like men. The announcers were going crazy.
And there are these moments like when Michael Jordan changes
hands and you're like, oh, I just saw something live.
I've never seen that. When she hit two thirty three footers,
I'm sitting there going I'm laughing. I'm like, Okay, this
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is the greatest thirty eight second stretch in the history
of this twenty five year plus league. Okay, so I
defended Scott Foster. I think you could have called the foul,
but I brought back the Brian Russell MJ no call,
And I said, folks, because Russell leaned into it and
Michael touched him. It looked like he shoved him. YEP.
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I looked at this and I thought, we're not acknowledging
that Naysmith tripped over SGA's feet. So it looks egregious.
It's really not. I mean, SGA's sixty six a buck
ninety five pounds, He's not Charles Barkley powerful. Do you
think the league? How do you think this is landing
for the league?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Look, this is a typical playoff no call at the
end of an NBA Finals game. As you point out,
we've seen it as far back as Michael Jordan. There
have been other examples. I think what roiled a lot
of people was there were a bunch of calls before that,
and so it felt like, well, if you're calling everything,
you should be calling this too. And that's what I
thought was missing from this game officiating wise. It just
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didn't have that consistency. It didn't have any officiating flow.
They never felt like the crew kind of quite had
control over the game. However, Scott Foster is one of
the most respected referees in the league. I understand that
fans sort of have their own opinions on him, but
you can tell how the NBA feels about him by
the fact that they put him on these very very
key games and in fact, you would expect him. It's
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not certain yet, they haven't announced it. If there is
a Game seven, it is most likely Scott Foster will
be on that game, which makes it even more kind
of intriguing to hear Rick Carlisle defending Scott Foster to
all of the Pacers fans in his press conference, basically
being like, it was a great he called a great game.
Scott Foster's terrific. You know, he went on and on,
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and you know, I think part of it is because
he feels that way. Rick's been around the league a
long time, and also he knows that maybe by Game
seven Scott Foster.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Will be back.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah. I you know, I said this earlier. If you
end up officiating Super Bowls and World Cups over and over,
they're not doing it because of some league wide conspiracy.
They view you as able to handle the situation. I
love what Orlando did in the trade and the reason
I love it because I think, I honestly think they
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we still have a ways to go for the trade deadline. Yeah,
I mean right, So why do they do it now?
Because I think they watched the Indiana Pacers and they go,
we can do that, and they've got three guys they love,
but they need another. They didn't shoot the ball worth
a darn all year. This is their hole. But I
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think there's a little Pacers in cheer Rachel that they're young,
and they're like, why can't we do that?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Absolutely? Absolutely, I agree with you. And I think also,
look that Jason Tatum injury means that the big bad Celtics,
who seem like such a mature, complete veteran team, aren't
going to be around. It feels like the conference is
going to be wide open next year because if you
look at the other team that did so well during
this season, the Cleveland Cavaliers, well, they were knocked out
much earlier than expected. So it definitely feels like the
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East could be anyone's game. And there is an Orlando
component of why not us? To me, this trade is
going to be very interesting. Is it going to end
up being a Pascal Siakam like trade where people at
the time will say, oh, man, they overpaid, but then
obviously this guy turned out to be the Eastern Conference
Finals MVP and has been key to this finals run.
Or is it going to be more like Michale Bridges,
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who at least so far hasn't quite justified the amount
of Hall that the Knicks had to give up. And
we'll just see. Desmond Bin is a terrific fit for
this team. As you pointed out, they're terrible three point
shooting team. He does that very well. He compliments a
lot of the other things that their players do. He's
going to bring a maturity to the team. It's a great,
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great trade in terms of a great fit.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
We'll just have to see.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Did they overpay a little bit but kel Bridges style
or was this absolutely the thing that solidifies them and
puts them over the edge Pascal Siakam style.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'll have to find out for the record. Some people
said they gave up too much in the trade, but
I mean, it wasn't it five first rounders from Michale
Bridges Rudy Gobaert gave up nine picks. I have no
problem with the Hall. I mean, obviously Memphis is now rebuilding.
They should. They can't compete at the highest levels in
the West. But it did make me think about KD
and I thought, well, Desmond Bain is in his prime
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twenty a night, excellent three point shooter. What do you
think the market for k D is? Now? You know
this league, it's comps. So if you're getting four first rounders,
what is the market for KD.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It really depends on who wants to pay him, because
he's due for an extension, right so he's given them
sort of a list of preferred teams. Reportedly, I think
that Phoenix will take that into consideration. But if they
can get a better deal somewhere else, I think they'll
take it because they are so in need of assets.
That being said, could someone offer them a better deal
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if Katie isn't going to re sign with them. If
he's not going to sign that extension, how much do
you want to give up? So that's really the folk
room that this is depending on. Is is it a
place that KD will sign an extension and therefore justify
a higher offer. If it's not, then it's going to
be hard for them to gin up a market because
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now that it's out there which teams he's interested in,
those teams feel like, great, we've got an advantage here,
we don't have to give up as much. So there's
just a lot of politics that go on with the
trade like this.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Finally, the Knicks has predicted firing cautionary tale that you
I don't have a backup plan. I mean, I'm hearing
top college basketball coaches have retired Jay Wright or not
interested Calipari. The top teams in the NBA, according to
a story I read this morning, used profanity and hung
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up on the Knicks. Who's the leading candidate? I mean,
they don't have to hurry, they're not in their rush.
Who's the leading candidate for the next job?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, officially, the leading candidates right now are Taylor Jenkins,
who I think will be the first person interviewed, and
Mike Brown, who will also get an interview. There's a
lingering question about Jason Kidd because even though Dallas was
one of those teams that said absolutely not, we do
not give you permission to talk about him, there's a question,
especially post Luca trade, and also how much money New
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York can offer Jason to see if there is a
point he will go to the Mavericks and say I'm out,
I don't want to be here anymore. And if that happens,
it's going to make it hard to work with him
in Dallas going forward, and they would maybe consider granding permission,
They would maybe consider making some sort of trade the
way Jason Kidd was traded frankly from Milwaukee to Brooklyn
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a long time ago. So that's sort of the nebulous
cloud that's hanging overall of this. No one's really heard
from Jason about what he might want to do, but
as of now, Dallas has said no way, and there's
no movement on that as of now. So that leaves
Taylor Jenkins Mike Brown is the two leading candidates.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Rachel Nichols, as always on a Monday, It's great scenior Rach,
thank you. Great to see you all right, Indie tonight
in Game five, which has been a stellar series. The
games have been intense, and we sort of said coming
into the series, the all time great defensive team plus
the NBA leading scorer and the fastest tempo in the league.
Those are classic matchups, and three out of four games
have been absolutely great. Live in Chicago, It's the Herd.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noone Easter Empacific Show. Hey O, Tawny returning to
the mound today. We'll talk about that in a bit. First, though,
J Mack with the.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
News, this is the Herd line news.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Bill Belichick era has officially begun in North Carolina, and
Mike Lombardi, the GM of the Tarfatario says chimed in
dismissing all the claims about Belichick and Jordan Hudson, saying,
it's just a lot of noise, adding for us to
be distracted by someone that has no bearing, that has
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no relevance whatsoever, that is a complete falsehood.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's comical.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Now, you and I.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Both worked with Lombardi.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
He is very football focused, shall we say, and I
do believe that he's right here.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It is kind of noise. It makes for good tabloid
fodder and segments on TV and radio, but in reality,
I don't think it has any impact on North Carolina problem.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, and also there was a newness. You heard about
Jordan Hudson's real estate and you saw a picture of
her on the field, so it was new. It was
introduced to us for the first time, and new stuff
gets more attention. Have you noticed over the last two
weeks there's no real stories. The newness has worn off.
So I also think, and this is a real thing June, July,
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and August, the media is looking for stories and a
lot of stuff that you'll see media feuds. You'll see
stories like Jordan Hudson. They don't get a clique during
the football season. And so I think I've said this before.
If they both consenting adults, are physically enjoy this and
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they both feel like professionally there's something that you know
they're aspiring to or or getting from the other professionally,
I just I don't want to judge. It's none of
my business. It could be uncomfortable to me, But you
know what, teach their own I'm not bothered by it.
I think people tend to This is one of those
things where it's not conventional. It's not conventional, and so
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when stuff is not, when it's unconventional in the world
we live in, it gets discussed. But in the end,
I heard all this, Oh Carolina's very uncomfortable. How do
we know that? What do they do? Did they suspend somebody?
She has nothing to do with football. She was on
the whiteboard drawing up plays. Let's talk about it. But
I just we haven't heard a story in two three weeks.
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Why because the newness is worn off.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
The only way this becomes a deal Colin, I think
is that they go out against TCU and the opener
and lose like thirty five seven. Then it's like, oh
Belichick lost his fastball.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He's distracted.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
But other than a big loss early and the Clemson
when we're not gonna count, they're gonna they're gonna lose
out badly. I think they're gonna be fine. And now
I like North Carolina a lot this year.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Let's go to the NFL in my.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Jets where Justin Fields is the QB and well and
he's saying all the right things at the podium, no drama,
unlike the last guy. New oc tenor Engstrand that's a
new name, had a high praise for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The biggest takeaway I would say is that this guy
is just a workaholic.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
You know, he comes in early, he's here late, and
he's trying to digest everything and download all the information
and do things the right way. He's trying to do
things that we're asking and I think he's just he's
really put the next foot forward every day, just trying
to stack days, and it's been really good.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Let's defend Justin Fields for this. His first coach was
a defensive coach, his second coach was a defensive coach.
His third coach is a defensive coach. It's not exactly
ideal for a quarterback. We thought needed the right landing spot.
But if you go back, if you go back to
the Pittsburgh numbers and you extrapolate them over a season.
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His fan base, I'm not a huge fan, but I
think he's a good kid, big arm, active. I don't
think he sees the field well, but we have to
be fair. Here is it. Darnold and Baker, A lot
of other guys get second and third opportunities. So I
don't have a problem with it, and I think it
was better than re signing Aaron or staying with Aaron.
But if you do look at the Pittsburgh numbers, considering
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the old line was poor, it is interesting. It's an
interesting season for him. There is something there. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
I mean, if Justin Fields gets drafted by McVeigh or
Andy Reid's afficent guy, I have no idea, but you
could counter with, well, they would never draft Field because
of his limitations. That's not a McVeigh guy. I mean,
you could do this all day, which is so fun.
Maybe not for Justin Fields, but a good point. Final
story Colin is Yes, let's go back to Caitlin Clark,
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who went off on Saturday thirty two, nine and eight,
took down the Liberty who were previously undefeated. Well you
know who chimed in on social media lebron Ja means
sending out the c C effect, welcome back, you were missed.
He's not wrong column. This was a sentence from a
lot of people I talked to sports fans or otherwise.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yo, did you see Caitlin Clark? I mean when she
hit those three threes?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
In like forty seconds, crazy, like wow.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I mean, let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
So, Kaylen Clark was out for like two and a
half weeks, how many minutes of WNBA action did you watch.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
When Caitlin Clark was out?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I didn't zero.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, I was at like maybe one minute just checking
a game. Klin Cark comes back, I'm watching as much
of the full game as I can, and I'm assuming
it's the same for you.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, I mean I think it's I use the Saturday
Night Live reference when Tom Hanks was in his prime
and he was on Saturday Night Live or Alec Baldwin
in his prime. I would watch Saturday Night Live most
of the time. I just wait for clips and there
is that effect where you know, like if it was
The Office, I would watch every week with the Sopranos
or mind Hunter.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
There's stuff I watched I love that you just put
mine under it was Sopranos top Yes, yes, but I
will say this, there are other things that are very
much host driven or specific person driven, and I think
the w I would say baseball is like that for me.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
If the Dodgers are playing, the Yankees are playing, like
I am engrossed in baseball in the postseason. If you
give me the right, if you give me you know,
a couple of years ago, Rockies raised. I'm not as
engaged on that, but if you gave me last year,
how much baseball did we talk in the National League playoffs? Mets, Podrays, Dodgers.
The games were fantastic. Yeah, So baseball has that effect.
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Football we all watch. It's once a week, same with
college football, World Cup, Olympics. But I think Caitlin's got
the She's got the Saturday Night Live effect. She will
bring you if the band and the host is good,
it's a different show.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Got a game Tuesday this week and Thursday. I already
checked the schedule. It's like, okay, I'll put in the calendar.
Maybe we'll shine in on those necks Skaitland Park game.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Jmck of the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping bye news. Well, I know it's not a
popular opinion, but I do want to quickly revisit something
we talked about earlier is that if Scott Foster would
have called a foul, I would have been okay with it.
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But I thought the outrage was a bit misguided because,
like the Brian Russell MJ move. People are not acknowledging
that the Indiana pacer defender tripped over SGA's feet, so
a nudge looked like a shove. Remember this, Russell totally
bites on the first move by Jordan, so therefore the
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shove looks like he got pushed by an offensive lineman.
And that is not a massive push. Again, if you
would have called that on Jordan, I would have been
okay with it, but it didn't rise, in my opinion,
to national outrage. Nobody ever acknowledged that Russell bit on
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the move, went all in, was leaning over Kevin Durant Lebron.
This is another moment where nobody called a foul. People
were worked up. So in all three no foul, no foul,
no foul, Lebron, MJ and SGA. And my feeling is
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some are in big markets Jordan, some are in small
markets SGA. Referees swallow the whistle first round, a little,
second round, conference, finals, a lot and finals. Especially at
the end of games MJ, Russell, SGA, Nasmith, Kevin Durant, Lebron.
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Officials do not want to end the game at the
throw a line. So in all three the perception of
the foul. Nobody's offering any context. The defender trips, so
that looks like a shove and SGA is six six
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a buck ninety five. I'm not sure he could shove
me to the ground. Here's Rick Carlyle, PACER's coach who
didn't get the friendly whistle after.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
As far as officiating, I think, I think it's awful
what some of the things I've seen about about the
officiating and Scott Foster in particular. I know Scott Foster
for thirty years. He's a great official. He's done a
great job in his playoffs. We've had him a lot
of times. And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown out
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there is terrible and unfair and unjust and stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I remember j it was Rams Saints NFC championship, remember that,
and people freaked out because it was the call, the
no call, the no call PI and it was again
it was no call. Now I thought that was a
missed call. I did, but I thought the league over
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reacted to it. And the following year didn't they go
out and go Okay, pass interference is reviewables. I mean,
everybody overreacts to these moments. Its just heightened because if
that game would have been Carolina and Tampa, you're not
changing rules. But I think when you get the NBA
Finals and you get stars in the NFL. In the NBA,
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we overreact. Remember in baseball years ago, there was like
an All Star Game tied or something, and there was
Bud Sealig was like, Okay, we cannot have a baseball
All Star game that ties. Yes, we can. We all
have lives. We could absolutely have an All Star Game,
and so he wanted the All Star Game to matter more.
It's an All Star game. Let's not let's not go crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Let me ask you this, Colin. We like consistency, right.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Remember in the regular season we're not calling we're calling
everything right, and in the playoffs we're not calling anything.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
So then you now pivot back. SGA shoots ten free throws.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
J Doubs shoots eleven, Like we hadn't seen that old
series and now we see it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
When ask yourself that, okay, but take a deep breath.
So SGA wasn't getting to the line. Why did he
get the line in the biggest game of the year
for OKC. I'm gonna say after Game three when he
only got to the line a small number of times.
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The coaching staff of OKC, guys, guys, here are the numbers, SGA,
you got to be more aggressive. Some of this is
the OKAC coaching staff saying, guys, we're nine and two
when he gets to the line eight times. But SGA,
you can't be passive. You have to shoot more. So
the coaching staff is as I mean, I thought SGA
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was way more aggressive in Game four. Well you saw
it in the totals, So I think that is led
by coaching. We saw this with Ann Edwards. He would
have halves where he wouldn't shoot a lot. We've seen
it with Halliburton, He's had halves where he's not aggressive enough.
Modern players are not Michael and Kobe, so they're very collaborative.
Jason Tatum, you've had to basically force him to shoot more. So.
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The modern NBA player is not as selfish as back
in the seventies and eighties, where MJ is like, I
don't care about the triangle offense. I'm getting thirty eighth mine.
But right so, I think SGA, Jason Tatum, and Edwards
Halliburton in this playoffs alone, we have seen star players
who have games where they're not as aggressive and don't shoot,
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and the coaching staff the following games they come in
and shoot more.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
So.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
At the same time, SGA was gassed at the end
of Game three.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Remember he was because he had to run the offense
and they attacked him.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Jadubb brought the ball up almost every single time.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I think the stat was that was the most times
he brought the ball up the court this season. And
SGA was a little more rested, so he was able
to have fifteen in the fourth. I think he hit
like seven free throws in the fourth quarter. Again, I
don't love that. I'm not blaming Scott Foster. SGA was
brilliant down the stretch. Indiana wasted it. They were up
four with three minutes left. Colin, you got to lock
that up at home.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
They didn't, So Red Sog fans are furious. Dodger fans
are excited. So were Giant fans. We'll explain all three,
Mark duro So, Major League Baseball Network joins us next.
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Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, there's a lot going on in baseball. First of all,
Rafael Dever is a best hitter for the Boston Red
Sox got traded yesterday, and Red Sox fans are a
little sensitive anyway because of the Mookie Decks Mookie Bets
deal where there was a sense they got fleeced by
the Dodgers, and so you know they're they're not in
a great mood when this happened yesterday. So I want
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to bring on he played sixteen seasons in baseball, Mark DeRosa,
who does a fantastic job for the MLP network. All right,
let's let's approach this first. Approach this first. When you
heard about the move, did you immediately think, Wow, the
Red Sox got fleeced. Was that your immediate reaction?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
No, My immediate reaction, Colin was wow. The meeting in
Kansas City where John Henry and the owners flew there
to speak with him about potentially playing first base, obviously
they didn't get the answer they were looking for, and
I think he turned to his general manager and said,
if you can work out a deal to get him
out of here. I think it would make sense for
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both parties, is my initial take, because you can't replace
this bat.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
This is a top five bat in the game.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I know the Red Sox are going to sell it
that they're still in this They still got a chance
to win the Al East, they still got a chance
to go to the Wildcard. But you take one of
the most prolific bats in the game out of your lineup,
you take a step back, at least short term.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
What do you think Devers does with the San Francisco Giants,
who are right behind the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah, Colin, I was a teammate of Buster Posey in
twenty ten, in twenty eleven. This guy's an absolute killer,
won three world titles out there and wants to bring
that back to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So what do I think.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I think he gets a new lease on life. I
think he maybe plays a little third base until Matt
Chapman comes back from injury. I think he assumes the
dhroll there. I don't foresee him playing first base. But
this is a move Buster had to make. He's been
trying to go out or they been trying to go
out and bring in that big ticket free agent bat.
They haven't been able to pull it off. They went
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out and overpaid a little bit for Willia Domas to
play shortstop. They got Matt Chapman on a long term deal.
Now they stick that monster left handed bat in the
middle of those two, and those are your three pillars
moving forward on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Listen to get Otani. It was beyond money. He wanted
to still pitch. Do you think privately, if you asked
Dave Roberts and the Dodgers about Otani pitching privately, they
would say, yeah, we'd rather, We'd rather he just bats.
Or are they all in on this? In Los Angeles?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I think Otani's the one guy in the game. He
drives so much revenue to the Dodgers and Major League
Baseball as a whole that he calls the shots. I
really believe that. And when he came over there, he
was coming over there as a two way player. I
get it from the outside observers that what he can
do offensively only Aaron Judge can match. But if he
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wants to pitch, and that was kind of part of
the deal of him coming over there, then you got
to let him entertain this and they certainly need him.
They've had umpteen guys go on the IL this year.
They're searching to put a starting rotation together. If they
can grab an opener here, one or two winnings out
of him tonight and then kind of build towards something
in the postseason. I think you got to see what
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you got.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You played every position in baseball except I think pitcher
and catcher and maybe center field. So I know pitching
isn't something that you know you did, but you're also
as well connected as anybody in this sport. Could you
try to at least explain why the Dodgers, for I
think the third or fourth year and a half of
third or fourth year in row, have so many pitching injuries.
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What is it?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think Colin they chase stuff. They can
make some deals that other teams can't. The Blake Snells
of the world. You know, he has a history of
being injured. Tyler Glass now a history of being injured.
So a lot of teams shy away from giving these
guys long term deals. The Dodgers are willing with their depth,
their young guys coming up. The way they attack it
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from an analytics side, They know they can piece together
the regular season and if they get all these guys
firing on all cylinders come October, that they can run
the table. So their money allows them to do things
a little bit differently. The way they've used the contracts
in deferring payments has allowed them to be a little
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smarter than the rest. And I just think they play
for October. They know they can withstand a one sixty
two and if they get in and they have Otani
Snell Glass now the Dustin Maze on down the line,
they know they can run it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
In the postseason, baseball is managed differently. You have starters
coming out of the bullpen. It you know, some of
the stuff the analytics is great for volume and regular
season may not work as well in the postseason. So
when you look at Aaron Judge putting up Babe Ruth
numbers just insane numbers over the course of a regular season,
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you may not pitch around them as much. But when
you look at this Yankee lineup, do you is it
a worry that what he is doing in the regular
season people are gonna pitch around him. In the postseason.
Everything will be much more situational than it is on
a Tuesday or Wednesday night when Aaron Judge comes to
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the plate.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, you can make that argument. I mean, certainly the
Paul Goldschmidts and the Cody Bellingers and Stanton potentially coming
back in the near future have to step up. Stanton's
been able to do it in October repeatedly, so I
would expect him to do the same. Every team I
ever went on that went to the postseason, there are
meeting circling guys that you can't let beat you. Obviously,
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Aaron Judge is one of those guys and will be
pitched accordingly. But at some point I still think he
makes his mark on the postseason. I think in Game
five he was just starting to get rolling. In the
last World Series. If they're able to escape Game five
and get back on that plane to La, I think
you have a totally different series. Now, the Dodgers were
able to win ballgame and win the World Championship, so
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we'll never know. But I still think Aaron makes his mark.
But the standards of the world, the Bellingers and the
gold Schmitz will have to step up.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And finally, Mark Durosa from the MLB Network, and I've
said this before. Of all, the league run networks are
league going. Major League Baseball Network to me and the
Hockey Network are by far and away the best, and
Mark is one of the lead guys there. So I
want to end with this. Baseball has had a bit
of a renaissance. I started talking about this a couple
of years ago. I said, listen, the games are faster.
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If you only have an hour to give a baseball
game and a Tuesday night, you can get through three
innings if the pitching's good. I think that is one
of the reasons for the rise in ratings. But you
watch a lot of games and every night, there are
probably nuances to the ratings increases. And I want to
end with this. If you add two or three, I
find the game more consumable today than five years ago.
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As somebody that played baseball for sixteen years, do you
I do?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Colin?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
As a player, I never viewed it as an entertainment,
Uh you know, product I was grinding. I wasn't a
good enough player to not worry about trying how I
added value to.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That given night. I looked at it as a job.
Working on it.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
On this side of the camera, I totally get it.
I think the pitch clock has been huge. I mean,
you're in your car in two and a half, two
forty five. I think the challenge system could potentially come
in next year. I think that's going to add another
kind of dynamic for the fans to get involved. So yeah,
I think the game's exploding. The WBC, I think, has
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also brought another element into the game, kind of like
the Four Nations with hockey, and that's only going to
grow the game. So yes, the consuming of the product
is way better now.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Mark DeRosa, thank you so much, Major League Baseball Network.
He played every position but pitcher, catcher, and yep, center fielder.
Terrific job, and folks, I do appreciate you had a
little delay there, but Mark's so good. I wanted to
I wanted to go with it and run with it,
and I appreciate it. Okay, j Mac. Tonight, I don't
know what I'm going to guess the line, Well, I
don't know lines.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I want you to guess.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
The USA soccer against Saudi Arabia is gonna surprise you.
And then tonight's okay, see which one do you want
to start with?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, I think we're favored by I think we're favored
the soccer. Let me guess we're favored by three goals.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well it's minus one, which is a lot less than
three goals and a lot less than anybody thought.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I looked at it thinking, okay, we're gonna beat them comfortably.
I get Saudi Arabia looked okay, but it's not a
lock Colin that the US is going to.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Smash Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I thought I was feeling good, but seeing that line,
I was like, oh, hello, Now on to the NBA tonight.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Well, OKAC is favored. Oh you know the zig Zag.
I think Indiana's gonna play great, So I'm gonna say
OKAC minus No, they're so good at home. Okay. I
think a lot of people feel the series is over,
so I think the public is gonna go heavy on
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ok Se tonight. So I would bet Indiana tonight because
I think the public is going to drive up the number.
Is it minus seven s and it's nine and a half.
O Oh, I'm taking Indiana.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
So there's two thought processes here. Number one is Indiana's
just devastated. How do you bounce back after blowing a
four point leave with three minutes left and then okay, see,
remember what they did at home?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
They led for I think it was forty six of
forty eight.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Minutes or no.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
He was like, they only trailed for two minutes in
the first two games at home.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
They're a juggernaut at home. Colin, I don't know if
this is close tonight. I'm not touching it.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I just feel upset at the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Man, well, I don't. This was not Greg Norman at
the Masters. I don't feel Indiana blew it. I thought
Oklahoma City's last three minutes they played impenetrable defense. Indiana
could not get good shots, block steals, an airball. I
thought Oklahoma City did what Oklahoma City does and that
you can't play that kind of defense against the best
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teams in the seven game series. But I thought in
Game two, I thought Oklahoma City's defense was ratcheted up.
Why because the season was on the line. They lost
Game one, and I thought, in this game, the season's
on the line. If you lose this in you're down
three to one, ninety seven percent of the time you
lose a series. So the two times Oklahoma City has
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had their back and their season on the line, they've
been impenetrable defensively, and you can talk about the Scott
Foster call. We could argue about that all day. I
thought their defense at the end of the game was insane.
I thought it was insane.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I guess I'll give it to you. Halliburton had a
good game and then I think he had a three
pointer partially blocked by Chet?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Was it Chet or that?
Speaker 5 (35:51):
That's the airboil you're talking about? And you know it
just it stinks for the Pacers, it really does.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It stinks.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It sounds like you're rooting for the Pacers. Why sounds like, yes,
I'm anti like their style of play.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm anti Oka. See I you know you what did
you say last week?
Speaker 8 (36:09):
You like to be right?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I've been saying, okay, Ce's fraudulent all season, and you know,
I'll look like a buffoon.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
If they win the championship, we're gonna have potentially, well,
either team that wins it, we're gonna have. Is it
seven years in a row that we've had seven different
champions isn't that crazy? That's very much nineteen seventies basketball,
which I grew up on and loved in a world way.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Though Colin Indiana has been a little surprising in this series.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, they've taken all this okay season all time great.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
You can't say that when they're struggling with the Indiana Pacers,
who were I believe plus five thousand to win the
title before the season.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
You can't say they're an all time great.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well. I think what this is fair to say is
Boston was the last stacked roster. Everybody going forward is
going to look more like OKAC where you can have
a star and then really really high end players. Jalen
Williams check homegrown around you. But there are no more Heetls,
there are no more Katie stephanclave that's done. You're not
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because of the new Aprons and the CBA. It's over.
So what you're going to get is Orlando could be
really good where you have Yep, Ben Caro's an A
plus player, he's All NBA. Wagner and the kid from
Memphis are both they're both like second team, third team
All NBA, and then Jalen Suggs is a heck of
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a good starter. That's the new NBA. And by the way,
that is potentially if Miles Turner left, that is a
team good enough getting to the finals. I think what
Orlando is Oklahoma City one great player, not Lebron great,
but a great player, Jalen Williams and home Grown, especially
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Jalen Williams, excellent player. Homegren's a little hit and miss,
still young. And then there's some really good rotational players.
It's just like Denver. Yo Kitch is an All timer.
Gordon and Murray are really good players, but they haven't
made an All Star team. That's the new NBA.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Yeah, the days of Kevin Durant joining forces with Bradley
Beal and Devin but that's not happening, by the way,
in the last twenty minutes, it's come out of report
Kevin Durant has no interest in playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
According to you know, Kevin Durant's agent's mouthpiece, who's a
good reporter, but he doesn't want to go play with
Anthony Edwards. I'm just telling you this, Kevin Durant think
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Colin it's gonna blow.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Up in his face.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
They're gonna ship him to Siberia and he's gonna be
ticked off. It's it's gonna be not quite Patrick Ewing.
It's a sonic, but it's gonna be ugly.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's a winter league. Part of playing in Miami and
Houston in a winter league is the weather. And as
you get to the end of your career, you're probably
looking in state tax. I'm saving four million. I mean,
I'm sorry, but these guys I would. I don't blame them.
I don't blame him, all right, J Matt, good stuff today,
Mark de Rosa, Rachel Nichols, Matt Hasselbeck, Nick and the
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fellows around the Corner.
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. And with that, Rachel Nichols
is now joining us live on an unbelievable performance. And
I said this earlier, it's not anti Beyonce to say
Taylor Swift Tour change the economy in LA, which it did.
It's not anti Beyonce. Do you think the w NBA
is actually kind of coming to terms with Okay, this
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is really this is Tiger, this is MJ And then listen,
I understand when she came in nobody could predict this.
Nobody could predict this. Do you think the league though,
has kind of come to terms with let's ride the
wave here, this is all time stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah. I think this absence and then how she came
back really sort of solidified all of that because when
she came into the league, obviously interests went way up
and some of the finances went way up, But there
was some argument that it was a little bit of
you know, rising tide lifts all boats, and the popularity
of the league had been increasing anyway, and Angel Reese
was also a big star coming into the league. But
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here we go with Caitlin Clark singularly being missing for
the time she was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And ratings tanking fifty.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Percent in some cases, and then also she comes back
and reminds everyone how spectacular she is, and everybody's talking
about the WNBA. So if you needed to sort of
have it affirmed to you that it is just her,
that the singularity of her is what we are talking about,
and her star power, you got it. With this absence,
and then the way she came back. I thought it
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was fascinating the way other people who have been around
the league for a long time reacted to it. Rebecca Lobo,
for example, She's been around the WNBA for almost three decades.
She said, I've never ever seen anything like this.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
No, I said earlier. I was a kid. I remember
in seventy seven Reggie Jackson getting three home runs off
three pitchers on three pitches, And I can remember as
a kid being like men. The announcers were going crazy.
And there are these moments like when Michael Jordan changes
hands and you're like, oh, I just saw something live.
I've never seen that. When she hit two thirty three footers,
I'm sitting there going I'm laughing. I'm like, Okay, this
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is the greatest thirty eight second stretch in the history
of this twenty five year plus league. Okay, so I
defended Scott Foster. I think you could have called the foul,
but I brought back the Brian Russell MJ no call,
And I said, folks, because Russell leaned into it and
Michael touched him. It looked like he shoved him. YEP.
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I looked at this and I thought, we're not acknowledging
that Naysmith tripped over SGA's feet. So it looks egregious.
It's really not. I mean, SGA's sixty six a buck
ninety five pounds, He's not Charles Barkley powerful. Do you
think the league? How do you think this is landing
for the league?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Look, this is a typical playoff no call at the
end of an NBA Finals game. As you point out,
we've seen it as far back as Michael Jordan. There
have been other examples. I think what roiled a lot
of people was there were a bunch of calls before that,
and so it felt like, well, if you're calling everything,
you should be calling this too. And that's what I
thought was missing from this game officiating wise. It just
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didn't have that consistency. It didn't have any officiating flow.
They never felt like the crew kind of quite had
control over the game. However, Scott Foster is one of
the most respected referees in the league. I understand that
fans sort of have their own opinions on him, but
you can tell how the NBA feels about him by
the fact that they put him on these very very
key games and in fact, you would expect him. It's
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not certain yet, they haven't announced it. If there is
a Game seven, it is most likely Scott Foster will
be on that game, which makes it even more kind
of intriguing to hear Rick Carlisle defending Scott Foster to
all of the Pacers fans in his press conference, basically
being like, it was a great he called a great game.
Scott Foster's terrific. You know, he went on and on,
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and you know, I think part of it is because
he feels that way. Rick's been around the league a
long time, and also he knows that maybe by Game
seven Scott Foster.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Will be back.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah. I you know, I said this earlier. If you
end up officiating Super Bowls and World Cups over and over,
they're not doing it because of some league wide conspiracy.
They view you as able to handle the situation. I
love what Orlando did in the trade and the reason
I love it because I think, I honestly think they
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we still have a ways to go for the trade deadline. Yeah,
I mean right, So why do they do it now?
Because I think they watched the Indiana Pacers and they go,
we can do that, and they've got three guys they love,
but they need another. They didn't shoot the ball worth
a darn all year. This is their hole. But I
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think there's a little Pacers in cheer Rachel that they're young,
and they're like, why can't we do that?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Absolutely? Absolutely, I agree with you. And I think also,
look that Jason Tatum injury means that the big bad Celtics,
who seem like such a mature, complete veteran team, aren't
going to be around. It feels like the conference is
going to be wide open next year because if you
look at the other team that did so well during
this season, the Cleveland Cavaliers, well, they were knocked out
much earlier than expected. So it definitely feels like the
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East could be anyone's game. And there is an Orlando
component of why not us? To me, this trade is
going to be very interesting. Is it going to end
up being a Pascal Siakam like trade where people at
the time will say, oh, man, they overpaid, but then
obviously this guy turned out to be the Eastern Conference
Finals MVP and has been key to this finals run.
Or is it going to be more like Michale Bridges,
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who at least so far hasn't quite justified the amount
of Hall that the Knicks had to give up. And
we'll just see. Desmond Bin is a terrific fit for
this team. As you pointed out, they're terrible three point
shooting team. He does that very well. He compliments a
lot of the other things that their players do. He's
going to bring a maturity to the team. It's a great,
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great trade in terms of a great fit.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
We'll just have to see.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Did they overpay a little bit but kel Bridges style
or was this absolutely the thing that solidifies them and
puts them over the edge Pascal Siakam style.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'll have to find out for the record. Some people
said they gave up too much in the trade, but
I mean, it wasn't it five first rounders from Michale
Bridges Rudy Gobaert gave up nine picks. I have no
problem with the Hall. I mean, obviously Memphis is now rebuilding.
They should. They can't compete at the highest levels in
the West. But it did make me think about KD
and I thought, well, Desmond Bain is in his prime
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twenty a night, excellent three point shooter. What do you
think the market for k D is? Now? You know
this league, it's comps. So if you're getting four first rounders,
what is the market for KD.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It really depends on who wants to pay him, because
he's due for an extension, right so he's given them
sort of a list of preferred teams. Reportedly, I think
that Phoenix will take that into consideration. But if they
can get a better deal somewhere else, I think they'll
take it because they are so in need of assets.
That being said, could someone offer them a better deal
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if Katie isn't going to re sign with them. If
he's not going to sign that extension, how much do
you want to give up? So that's really the folk
room that this is depending on. Is is it a
place that KD will sign an extension and therefore justify
a higher offer. If it's not, then it's going to
be hard for them to gin up a market because
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now that it's out there which teams he's interested in,
those teams feel like, great, we've got an advantage here,
we don't have to give up as much. So there's
just a lot of politics that go on with the
trade like this.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Finally, the Knicks has predicted firing cautionary tale that you
I don't have a backup plan. I mean, I'm hearing
top college basketball coaches have retired Jay Wright or not
interested Calipari. The top teams in the NBA, according to
a story I read this morning, used profanity and hung
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up on the Knicks. Who's the leading candidate? I mean,
they don't have to hurry, they're not in their rush.
Who's the leading candidate for the next job?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, officially, the leading candidates right now are Taylor Jenkins,
who I think will be the first person interviewed, and
Mike Brown, who will also get an interview. There's a
lingering question about Jason Kidd because even though Dallas was
one of those teams that said absolutely not, we do
not give you permission to talk about him, there's a question,
especially post Luca trade, and also how much money New
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York can offer Jason to see if there is a
point he will go to the Mavericks and say I'm out,
I don't want to be here anymore. And if that happens,
it's going to make it hard to work with him
in Dallas going forward, and they would maybe consider granding permission,
They would maybe consider making some sort of trade the
way Jason Kidd was traded frankly from Milwaukee to Brooklyn
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a long time ago. So that's sort of the nebulous
cloud that's hanging overall of this. No one's really heard
from Jason about what he might want to do, but
as of now, Dallas has said no way, and there's
no movement on that as of now. So that leaves
Taylor Jenkins Mike Brown is the two leading candidates.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Rachel Nichols, as always on a Monday, It's great scenior Rach,
thank you. Great to see you all right, Indie tonight
in Game five, which has been a stellar series. The
games have been intense, and we sort of said coming
into the series, the all time great defensive team plus
the NBA leading scorer and the fastest tempo in the league.
Those are classic matchups, and three out of four games
have been absolutely great. Live in Chicago, It's the Herd.
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and Noone Easter Empacific Show. Hey O, Tawny returning to
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J Mack with the.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
News, this is the Herd line news.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Bill Belichick era has officially begun in North Carolina, and
Mike Lombardi, the GM of the Tarfatario says chimed in
dismissing all the claims about Belichick and Jordan Hudson, saying,
it's just a lot of noise, adding for us to
be distracted by someone that has no bearing, that has
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no relevance whatsoever, that is a complete falsehood.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's comical.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Now, you and I.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Both worked with Lombardi.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
He is very football focused, shall we say, and I
do believe that he's right here.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It is kind of noise. It makes for good tabloid
fodder and segments on TV and radio, but in reality,
I don't think it has any impact on North Carolina problem.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, and also there was a newness. You heard about
Jordan Hudson's real estate and you saw a picture of
her on the field, so it was new. It was
introduced to us for the first time, and new stuff
gets more attention. Have you noticed over the last two
weeks there's no real stories. The newness has worn off.
So I also think, and this is a real thing June, July,
(11:26):
and August, the media is looking for stories and a
lot of stuff that you'll see media feuds. You'll see
stories like Jordan Hudson. They don't get a clique during
the football season. And so I think I've said this before.
If they both consenting adults, are physically enjoy this and
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they both feel like professionally there's something that you know
they're aspiring to or or getting from the other professionally,
I just I don't want to judge. It's none of
my business. It could be uncomfortable to me, But you
know what, teach their own I'm not bothered by it.
I think people tend to This is one of those
things where it's not conventional. It's not conventional, and so
(12:13):
when stuff is not, when it's unconventional in the world
we live in, it gets discussed. But in the end,
I heard all this, Oh Carolina's very uncomfortable. How do
we know that? What do they do? Did they suspend somebody?
She has nothing to do with football. She was on
the whiteboard drawing up plays. Let's talk about it. But
I just we haven't heard a story in two three weeks.
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Why because the newness is worn off.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
The only way this becomes a deal Colin, I think
is that they go out against TCU and the opener
and lose like thirty five seven. Then it's like, oh
Belichick lost his fastball.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He's distracted.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
But other than a big loss early and the Clemson
when we're not gonna count, they're gonna they're gonna lose
out badly. I think they're gonna be fine. And now
I like North Carolina a lot this year.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Let's go to the NFL in my.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Jets where Justin Fields is the QB and well and
he's saying all the right things at the podium, no drama,
unlike the last guy. New oc tenor Engstrand that's a
new name, had a high praise for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The biggest takeaway I would say is that this guy
is just a workaholic.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
You know, he comes in early, he's here late, and
he's trying to digest everything and download all the information
and do things the right way. He's trying to do
things that we're asking and I think he's just he's
really put the next foot forward every day, just trying
to stack days, and it's been really good.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Let's defend Justin Fields for this. His first coach was
a defensive coach, his second coach was a defensive coach.
His third coach is a defensive coach. It's not exactly
ideal for a quarterback. We thought needed the right landing spot.
But if you go back, if you go back to
the Pittsburgh numbers and you extrapolate them over a season.
(13:58):
His fan base, I'm not a huge fan, but I
think he's a good kid, big arm, active. I don't
think he sees the field well, but we have to
be fair. Here is it. Darnold and Baker, A lot
of other guys get second and third opportunities. So I
don't have a problem with it, and I think it
was better than re signing Aaron or staying with Aaron.
But if you do look at the Pittsburgh numbers, considering
(14:20):
the old line was poor, it is interesting. It's an
interesting season for him. There is something there. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
I mean, if Justin Fields gets drafted by McVeigh or
Andy Reid's afficent guy, I have no idea, but you
could counter with, well, they would never draft Field because
of his limitations. That's not a McVeigh guy. I mean,
you could do this all day, which is so fun.
Maybe not for Justin Fields, but a good point. Final
story Colin is Yes, let's go back to Caitlin Clark,
(14:50):
who went off on Saturday thirty two, nine and eight,
took down the Liberty who were previously undefeated. Well you
know who chimed in on social media lebron Ja means
sending out the c C effect, welcome back, you were missed.
He's not wrong column. This was a sentence from a
lot of people I talked to sports fans or otherwise.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yo, did you see Caitlin Clark? I mean when she
hit those three threes?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
In like forty seconds, crazy, like wow.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I mean, let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
So, Kaylen Clark was out for like two and a
half weeks, how many minutes of WNBA action did you watch.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
When Caitlin Clark was out?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I didn't zero.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, I was at like maybe one minute just checking
a game. Klin Cark comes back, I'm watching as much
of the full game as I can, and I'm assuming
it's the same for you.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, I mean I think it's I use the Saturday
Night Live reference when Tom Hanks was in his prime
and he was on Saturday Night Live or Alec Baldwin
in his prime. I would watch Saturday Night Live most
of the time. I just wait for clips and there
is that effect where you know, like if it was
The Office, I would watch every week with the Sopranos
or mind Hunter.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
There's stuff I watched I love that you just put
mine under it was Sopranos top Yes, yes, but I
will say this, there are other things that are very
much host driven or specific person driven, and I think
the w I would say baseball is like that for me.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
If the Dodgers are playing, the Yankees are playing, like
I am engrossed in baseball in the postseason. If you
give me the right, if you give me you know,
a couple of years ago, Rockies raised. I'm not as
engaged on that, but if you gave me last year,
how much baseball did we talk in the National League playoffs? Mets, Podrays, Dodgers.
The games were fantastic. Yeah, So baseball has that effect.
(16:39):
Football we all watch. It's once a week, same with
college football, World Cup, Olympics. But I think Caitlin's got
the She's got the Saturday Night Live effect. She will
bring you if the band and the host is good,
it's a different show.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Got a game Tuesday this week and Thursday. I already
checked the schedule. It's like, okay, I'll put in the calendar.
Maybe we'll shine in on those necks Skaitland Park game.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Jmck of the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping bye news. Well, I know it's not a
popular opinion, but I do want to quickly revisit something
we talked about earlier is that if Scott Foster would
have called a foul, I would have been okay with it.
(17:22):
But I thought the outrage was a bit misguided because,
like the Brian Russell MJ move. People are not acknowledging
that the Indiana pacer defender tripped over SGA's feet, so
a nudge looked like a shove. Remember this, Russell totally
bites on the first move by Jordan, so therefore the
(17:46):
shove looks like he got pushed by an offensive lineman.
And that is not a massive push. Again, if you
would have called that on Jordan, I would have been
okay with it, but it didn't rise, in my opinion,
to national outrage. Nobody ever acknowledged that Russell bit on
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the move, went all in, was leaning over Kevin Durant Lebron.
This is another moment where nobody called a foul. People
were worked up. So in all three no foul, no foul,
no foul, Lebron, MJ and SGA. And my feeling is
(18:31):
some are in big markets Jordan, some are in small
markets SGA. Referees swallow the whistle first round, a little,
second round, conference, finals, a lot and finals. Especially at
the end of games MJ, Russell, SGA, Nasmith, Kevin Durant, Lebron.
(18:55):
Officials do not want to end the game at the
throw a line. So in all three the perception of
the foul. Nobody's offering any context. The defender trips, so
that looks like a shove and SGA is six six
(19:15):
a buck ninety five. I'm not sure he could shove
me to the ground. Here's Rick Carlyle, PACER's coach who
didn't get the friendly whistle after.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
As far as officiating, I think, I think it's awful
what some of the things I've seen about about the
officiating and Scott Foster in particular. I know Scott Foster
for thirty years. He's a great official. He's done a
great job in his playoffs. We've had him a lot
of times. And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown out
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there is terrible and unfair and unjust and stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I remember j it was Rams Saints NFC championship, remember that,
and people freaked out because it was the call, the
no call, the no call PI and it was again
it was no call. Now I thought that was a
missed call. I did, but I thought the league over
(20:18):
reacted to it. And the following year didn't they go
out and go Okay, pass interference is reviewables. I mean,
everybody overreacts to these moments. Its just heightened because if
that game would have been Carolina and Tampa, you're not
changing rules. But I think when you get the NBA
Finals and you get stars in the NFL. In the NBA,
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we overreact. Remember in baseball years ago, there was like
an All Star Game tied or something, and there was
Bud Sealig was like, Okay, we cannot have a baseball
All Star game that ties. Yes, we can. We all
have lives. We could absolutely have an All Star Game,
and so he wanted the All Star Game to matter more.
It's an All Star game. Let's not let's not go crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Let me ask you this, Colin. We like consistency, right.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Remember in the regular season we're not calling we're calling
everything right, and in the playoffs we're not calling anything.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
So then you now pivot back. SGA shoots ten free throws.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
J Doubs shoots eleven, Like we hadn't seen that old
series and now we see it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
When ask yourself that, okay, but take a deep breath.
So SGA wasn't getting to the line. Why did he
get the line in the biggest game of the year
for OKC. I'm gonna say after Game three when he
only got to the line a small number of times.
(21:42):
The coaching staff of OKC, guys, guys, here are the numbers, SGA,
you got to be more aggressive. Some of this is
the OKAC coaching staff saying, guys, we're nine and two
when he gets to the line eight times. But SGA,
you can't be passive. You have to shoot more. So
the coaching staff is as I mean, I thought SGA
(22:03):
was way more aggressive in Game four. Well you saw
it in the totals, So I think that is led
by coaching. We saw this with Ann Edwards. He would
have halves where he wouldn't shoot a lot. We've seen
it with Halliburton, He's had halves where he's not aggressive enough.
Modern players are not Michael and Kobe, so they're very collaborative.
Jason Tatum, you've had to basically force him to shoot more. So.
(22:25):
The modern NBA player is not as selfish as back
in the seventies and eighties, where MJ is like, I
don't care about the triangle offense. I'm getting thirty eighth mine.
But right so, I think SGA, Jason Tatum, and Edwards
Halliburton in this playoffs alone, we have seen star players
who have games where they're not as aggressive and don't shoot,
(22:47):
and the coaching staff the following games they come in
and shoot more.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
So.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
At the same time, SGA was gassed at the end
of Game three.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Remember he was because he had to run the offense
and they attacked him.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Jadubb brought the ball up almost every single time.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I think the stat was that was the most times
he brought the ball up the court this season. And
SGA was a little more rested, so he was able
to have fifteen in the fourth. I think he hit
like seven free throws in the fourth quarter. Again, I
don't love that. I'm not blaming Scott Foster. SGA was
brilliant down the stretch. Indiana wasted it. They were up
four with three minutes left. Colin, you got to lock
that up at home.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
They didn't, So Red Sog fans are furious. Dodger fans
are excited. So were Giant fans. We'll explain all three,
Mark duro So, Major League Baseball Network joins us next.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Neon Eastern not a em Pacific. Hey, We're Cavino
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Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, there's a lot going on in baseball. First of all,
Rafael Dever is a best hitter for the Boston Red
Sox got traded yesterday, and Red Sox fans are a
little sensitive anyway because of the Mookie Decks Mookie Bets
deal where there was a sense they got fleeced by
the Dodgers, and so you know they're they're not in
a great mood when this happened yesterday. So I want
(25:05):
to bring on he played sixteen seasons in baseball, Mark DeRosa,
who does a fantastic job for the MLP network. All right,
let's let's approach this first. Approach this first. When you
heard about the move, did you immediately think, Wow, the
Red Sox got fleeced. Was that your immediate reaction?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
No, My immediate reaction, Colin was wow. The meeting in
Kansas City where John Henry and the owners flew there
to speak with him about potentially playing first base, obviously
they didn't get the answer they were looking for, and
I think he turned to his general manager and said,
if you can work out a deal to get him
out of here. I think it would make sense for
(25:49):
both parties, is my initial take, because you can't replace
this bat.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
This is a top five bat in the game.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I know the Red Sox are going to sell it
that they're still in this They still got a chance
to win the Al East, they still got a chance
to go to the Wildcard. But you take one of
the most prolific bats in the game out of your lineup,
you take a step back, at least short term.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
What do you think Devers does with the San Francisco Giants,
who are right behind the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah, Colin, I was a teammate of Buster Posey in
twenty ten, in twenty eleven. This guy's an absolute killer,
won three world titles out there and wants to bring
that back to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So what do I think.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I think he gets a new lease on life. I
think he maybe plays a little third base until Matt
Chapman comes back from injury. I think he assumes the
dhroll there. I don't foresee him playing first base. But
this is a move Buster had to make. He's been
trying to go out or they been trying to go
out and bring in that big ticket free agent bat.
They haven't been able to pull it off. They went
(26:51):
out and overpaid a little bit for Willia Domas to
play shortstop. They got Matt Chapman on a long term deal.
Now they stick that monster left handed bat in the
middle of those two, and those are your three pillars
moving forward on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Listen to get Otani. It was beyond money. He wanted
to still pitch. Do you think privately, if you asked
Dave Roberts and the Dodgers about Otani pitching privately, they
would say, yeah, we'd rather, We'd rather he just bats.
Or are they all in on this? In Los Angeles?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I think Otani's the one guy in the game. He
drives so much revenue to the Dodgers and Major League
Baseball as a whole that he calls the shots. I
really believe that. And when he came over there, he
was coming over there as a two way player. I
get it from the outside observers that what he can
do offensively only Aaron Judge can match. But if he
(27:46):
wants to pitch, and that was kind of part of
the deal of him coming over there, then you got
to let him entertain this and they certainly need him.
They've had umpteen guys go on the IL this year.
They're searching to put a starting rotation together. If they
can grab an opener here, one or two winnings out
of him tonight and then kind of build towards something
in the postseason. I think you got to see what
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you got.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You played every position in baseball except I think pitcher
and catcher and maybe center field. So I know pitching
isn't something that you know you did, but you're also
as well connected as anybody in this sport. Could you
try to at least explain why the Dodgers, for I
think the third or fourth year and a half of
third or fourth year in row, have so many pitching injuries.
(28:34):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think Colin they chase stuff. They can
make some deals that other teams can't. The Blake Snells
of the world. You know, he has a history of
being injured. Tyler Glass now a history of being injured.
So a lot of teams shy away from giving these
guys long term deals. The Dodgers are willing with their depth,
their young guys coming up. The way they attack it
(28:58):
from an analytics side, They know they can piece together
the regular season and if they get all these guys
firing on all cylinders come October, that they can run
the table. So their money allows them to do things
a little bit differently. The way they've used the contracts
in deferring payments has allowed them to be a little
(29:18):
smarter than the rest. And I just think they play
for October. They know they can withstand a one sixty
two and if they get in and they have Otani
Snell Glass now the Dustin Maze on down the line,
they know they can run it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
In the postseason, baseball is managed differently. You have starters
coming out of the bullpen. It you know, some of
the stuff the analytics is great for volume and regular
season may not work as well in the postseason. So
when you look at Aaron Judge putting up Babe Ruth
numbers just insane numbers over the course of a regular season,
(29:53):
you may not pitch around them as much. But when
you look at this Yankee lineup, do you is it
a worry that what he is doing in the regular
season people are gonna pitch around him. In the postseason.
Everything will be much more situational than it is on
a Tuesday or Wednesday night when Aaron Judge comes to
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the plate.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, you can make that argument. I mean, certainly the
Paul Goldschmidts and the Cody Bellingers and Stanton potentially coming
back in the near future have to step up. Stanton's
been able to do it in October repeatedly, so I
would expect him to do the same. Every team I
ever went on that went to the postseason, there are
meeting circling guys that you can't let beat you. Obviously,
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Aaron Judge is one of those guys and will be
pitched accordingly. But at some point I still think he
makes his mark on the postseason. I think in Game
five he was just starting to get rolling. In the
last World Series. If they're able to escape Game five
and get back on that plane to La, I think
you have a totally different series. Now, the Dodgers were
able to win ballgame and win the World Championship, so
(31:02):
we'll never know. But I still think Aaron makes his mark.
But the standards of the world, the Bellingers and the
gold Schmitz will have to step up.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And finally, Mark Durosa from the MLB Network, and I've
said this before. Of all, the league run networks are
league going. Major League Baseball Network to me and the
Hockey Network are by far and away the best, and
Mark is one of the lead guys there. So I
want to end with this. Baseball has had a bit
of a renaissance. I started talking about this a couple
of years ago. I said, listen, the games are faster.
(31:33):
If you only have an hour to give a baseball
game and a Tuesday night, you can get through three
innings if the pitching's good. I think that is one
of the reasons for the rise in ratings. But you
watch a lot of games and every night, there are
probably nuances to the ratings increases. And I want to
end with this. If you add two or three, I
find the game more consumable today than five years ago.
(31:54):
As somebody that played baseball for sixteen years, do you
I do?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
Colin?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
As a player, I never viewed it as an entertainment,
Uh you know, product I was grinding. I wasn't a
good enough player to not worry about trying how I
added value to.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That given night. I looked at it as a job.
Working on it.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
On this side of the camera, I totally get it.
I think the pitch clock has been huge. I mean,
you're in your car in two and a half, two
forty five. I think the challenge system could potentially come
in next year. I think that's going to add another
kind of dynamic for the fans to get involved. So yeah,
I think the game's exploding. The WBC, I think, has
(32:37):
also brought another element into the game, kind of like
the Four Nations with hockey, and that's only going to
grow the game. So yes, the consuming of the product
is way better now.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Mark DeRosa, thank you so much, Major League Baseball Network.
He played every position but pitcher, catcher, and yep, center fielder.
Terrific job, and folks, I do appreciate you had a
little delay there, but Mark's so good. I wanted to
I wanted to go with it and run with it,
and I appreciate it. Okay, j Mac. Tonight, I don't
know what I'm going to guess the line, Well, I
don't know lines.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I want you to guess.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
The USA soccer against Saudi Arabia is gonna surprise you.
And then tonight's okay, see which one do you want
to start with?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, I think we're favored by I think we're favored
the soccer. Let me guess we're favored by three goals.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well it's minus one, which is a lot less than
three goals and a lot less than anybody thought.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I looked at it thinking, okay, we're gonna beat them comfortably.
I get Saudi Arabia looked okay, but it's not a
lock Colin that the US is going to.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Smash Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I thought I was feeling good, but seeing that line,
I was like, oh, hello, Now on to the NBA tonight.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Well, OKAC is favored. Oh you know the zig Zag.
I think Indiana's gonna play great, So I'm gonna say
OKAC minus No, they're so good at home. Okay. I
think a lot of people feel the series is over,
so I think the public is gonna go heavy on
(34:12):
ok Se tonight. So I would bet Indiana tonight because
I think the public is going to drive up the number.
Is it minus seven s and it's nine and a half.
O Oh, I'm taking Indiana.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
So there's two thought processes here. Number one is Indiana's
just devastated. How do you bounce back after blowing a
four point leave with three minutes left and then okay, see,
remember what they did at home?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
They led for I think it was forty six of
forty eight.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Minutes or no.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
He was like, they only trailed for two minutes in
the first two games at home.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
They're a juggernaut at home. Colin, I don't know if
this is close tonight. I'm not touching it.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I just feel upset at the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Man, well, I don't. This was not Greg Norman at
the Masters. I don't feel Indiana blew it. I thought
Oklahoma City's last three minutes they played impenetrable defense. Indiana
could not get good shots, block steals, an airball. I
thought Oklahoma City did what Oklahoma City does and that
you can't play that kind of defense against the best
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teams in the seven game series. But I thought in
Game two, I thought Oklahoma City's defense was ratcheted up.
Why because the season was on the line. They lost
Game one, and I thought, in this game, the season's
on the line. If you lose this in you're down
three to one, ninety seven percent of the time you
lose a series. So the two times Oklahoma City has
(35:29):
had their back and their season on the line, they've
been impenetrable defensively, and you can talk about the Scott
Foster call. We could argue about that all day. I
thought their defense at the end of the game was insane.
I thought it was insane.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I guess I'll give it to you. Halliburton had a
good game and then I think he had a three
pointer partially blocked by Chet?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Was it Chet or that?
Speaker 5 (35:51):
That's the airboil you're talking about? And you know it
just it stinks for the Pacers, it really does.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It stinks.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It sounds like you're rooting for the Pacers. Why sounds like, yes,
I'm anti like their style of play.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm anti Oka. See I you know you what did
you say last week?
Speaker 8 (36:09):
You like to be right?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I've been saying, okay, Ce's fraudulent all season, and you know,
I'll look like a buffoon.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
If they win the championship, we're gonna have potentially, well,
either team that wins it, we're gonna have. Is it
seven years in a row that we've had seven different
champions isn't that crazy? That's very much nineteen seventies basketball,
which I grew up on and loved in a world way.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Though Colin Indiana has been a little surprising in this series.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, they've taken all this okay season all time great.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
You can't say that when they're struggling with the Indiana Pacers,
who were I believe plus five thousand to win the
title before the season.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
You can't say they're an all time great.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well. I think what this is fair to say is
Boston was the last stacked roster. Everybody going forward is
going to look more like OKAC where you can have
a star and then really really high end players. Jalen
Williams check homegrown around you. But there are no more Heetls,
there are no more Katie stephanclave that's done. You're not
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because of the new Aprons and the CBA. It's over.
So what you're going to get is Orlando could be
really good where you have Yep, Ben Caro's an A
plus player, he's All NBA. Wagner and the kid from
Memphis are both they're both like second team, third team
All NBA, and then Jalen Suggs is a heck of
(37:29):
a good starter. That's the new NBA. And by the way,
that is potentially if Miles Turner left, that is a
team good enough getting to the finals. I think what
Orlando is Oklahoma City one great player, not Lebron great,
but a great player, Jalen Williams and home Grown, especially
(37:49):
Jalen Williams, excellent player. Homegren's a little hit and miss,
still young. And then there's some really good rotational players.
It's just like Denver. Yo Kitch is an All timer.
Gordon and Murray are really good players, but they haven't
made an All Star team. That's the new NBA.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Yeah, the days of Kevin Durant joining forces with Bradley
Beal and Devin but that's not happening, by the way,
in the last twenty minutes, it's come out of report
Kevin Durant has no interest in playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
According to you know, Kevin Durant's agent's mouthpiece, who's a
good reporter, but he doesn't want to go play with
Anthony Edwards. I'm just telling you this, Kevin Durant think
(38:26):
Colin it's gonna blow.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Up in his face.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
They're gonna ship him to Siberia and he's gonna be
ticked off. It's it's gonna be not quite Patrick Ewing.
It's a sonic, but it's gonna be ugly.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's a winter league. Part of playing in Miami and
Houston in a winter league is the weather. And as
you get to the end of your career, you're probably
looking in state tax. I'm saving four million. I mean,
I'm sorry, but these guys I would. I don't blame them.
I don't blame him, all right, J Matt, good stuff today,
Mark de Rosa, Rachel Nichols, Matt Hasselbeck, Nick and the
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.