June 27, 2025 • 45 mins
Colin dives in on the most interesting story following the NBA draft and the mystery surrounding the 5th overall pick Ace Bailey. He gives you his 5 defensive players in the NFL he’d pay big money for and why Micah Parsons didn’t make the list. He talks to basketball insider Jeff Goodman to get insight on Bailey’s story and the expectations for #1 overall pick Cooper Flagg
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
There is a.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Lot to talk about, Jamack. I got eight and a
half hours of sleep. That happens once a month, so
I'm ready to go. I'm knocking down Red Bull might
as well be Raisinets. Baby, I'm ready to go. I'm
knocking them down. I am fired up for a Friday,
and Jamak, I'm you know. It's support systems are really
important for all of us. You had very strong parents,
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which I think is a great advantage in life. Right.
You had good support and good guidance and siblings. It
doesn't always happen in life, and that's why it's very
important for little league coaches. And I had great high
school basketball. Football coaches were like surrogate parents for me.
I want to talk about that because I'm seeing something
in sports today that it bums me out. So I
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am a child of divorce. Without boring you, I had
a very strong mom. I had a great step dad
who stepped in and was my little league coach, my
best friend's dad, Jack Jones. Dad was like a little
bit of a surrogate father. I was very lucky. My
life could have gone sideways really fast. Mom and dad divorced.
Dad leaves very decent human being, but he was onto
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another stuff, and I'm just kind of left, just left,
and so thank god I had these incredibly strong people
in our life, in my life, and I know it's
an uncomfortable talk. The media doesn't like this discussion. But
Dad's matter a lot on Father's Day. It matters most
of the great athletes I've covered in my life. Almost
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every great quarterback, almost every great one, almost all strong
dad or if not super strong mom, strong guidance because
that brain's still developing. At seventeen and eighteen and nineteen
twenty years old, girls mature much faster than boys boys.
At seventeen eighteen nineteen, I said yesterday, maybe they're valedictorian.
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Maybe you're getting them out of juvie like when you're seventeen,
eighteen nineteen. Guys change fast and we don't mature as quickly.
So I saw a story this morning. Ace Bailey is
this kind of kid that like his representative, his agent
told him, Hey, he told one of the top five
teams not to pick him. And I'm thinking, where are
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the adults to help this kid? Where are he's getting
horrible advice? Reportedly he's a good kid, but when the
year started he was considered the second best player to
Cooper Flagg, second best prospect. So he's already cost himself
nine million dollars, dropping from third where he should have
gone to fifth. And by the way, his teammate Dylan Harper,
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Ron Harper always in his life is there? Unfortunately Ace,
dad was in and out of his life. Well, you
got mom, you got other people. This story though, where
are the adults to help this kid? Because he hired
an agent, Omar Cooper, And I know we don't like agents, right,
I don't see this happening, you know to a lot
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of agents players. This is Omar Cooper legal issues in
the past, not certified agent by the NBA. One NBA client,
Ace Bailey. This is not the agent you pick. What's
the Lebron's agent? Rich Paul. Rich Paul. I've seen him
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let go of clients if they won't listen to him.
Rich Paul is a very very good agent, excellent agent.
This kid needed Rich Paul. He needed Rich Paul. He
needed a strong, certified, respected agent because no adults are
stepping in for this kid. So I mean quality of
agents matter. I've had four, trust me. There is a
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big gap in competency in every industry. But this is
a great example where the adults are not there for
this kid. He's reportedly not a bad kid, but Draymond
Green talked about this yesterday. This kid now already has
a reputation, fair or not.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't necessarily think it hurt.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It didn't hurt.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You went five whooped to do.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But you're walking into the NBA able to strike, And
I think that's what's the most important to understand. It's
like you're walking in with a question mark on character,
You're walking in with a question mark on work ethic,
you're walking in with a question mark on your.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Cam and and agents and family structure is really important
in NBA basketball because NFL players coming at twenty three
twenty four, where all young men naturally mature over time. Right,
trust me as a that's got six kids in my life.
The difference between like eighteen nineteen and twenty four is
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two different human beings, especially with boys. And so this
is the time where in the NFL has a structural
advantage over the NBA because kids are just older, you know,
they just boys are older. They come into the LEGLA.
But you go eighteen nineteen years old, and that's when
a young man needs guidance. And this guy, adults are
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failing this kid. He wouldn't work out for teams. That's
just not what you do. His agent apparently told like
one of the top five teams not interested. That is
not what you do. By the way, the other guy
that the Utah Jazz drafted, Walter Clayton, he's already there,
He's already in Salt Lake. He's there. So this is
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one of these situations. I know, it's uncomfortable and nobody
wants to talk about it. But those Little league coaches,
those high school basketball coaches, those high school football coaches
man or women, are so vital for boys and young men.
And all I see with this, all I see with
this kid is where are the adults? Where the helpers?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
All right?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Saw this story this morning. Aaron Judge and Shohey O
Tania been named the American League and National League starters
for Major League Baseball's All Star Game. So they came
out today they list the All Star finalists, so they
break it into like two time periods. These are now
the only people you can vote for for the All
Star Game, and so fans in media, a lot of
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them complained about the NBA playoffs the finals, well parody,
no sizzle and no glamour, small markets. That's okay, but
you better not be the same people complaining about the
Dodgers in the National League All Star finalists having a
player at every position, every single position first, second, short, third, catcher, outfield,
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that doesn't even count the pitchers. And Dave Roberts is managing. Okay,
you can't. You got to be consistent. I'm Cole Colin
is consistent. I like most dynasties, Alabama fotball dynasty a
little borings first, little boring. But today in baseball, the Dodgers,
the Cubs, the Yankees, and the metsro in first place.
I can't believe the Mets are. They've been playing terrible,
They're all in first place, and I'm all in Colin.
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What about Cincinnati? I was there once, I went to
the airport. I was told they had great chili. I
tried it. They put spaghetti in it. Wow, revolutionary. Might
as well be Florence, Italy. I'm sorry. And all these
New Yorkers are such phonies and hypocrites complaining about the Dodgers.
I used to work at another network on the East Coast,
and I remember listening to sports talk radio for a
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decade out there. Oh they love the Hot Stove League.
Oh let's go buy this guy and this guy and
this guy. What do you complain about?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The Hot Stove League's now in air frar, and the
Dodgers have the best one. Get over it. I mean,
Dodgers season tickets should come with the two free tickets
of the All Star Game. Apparently, but you know you
can't have both. You can't complain about the NBA All
Star Game and the Dodgers having all the players and
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the Dodgers it's lobsided. I'm all for it. I said
last year the National League Playoffs, the Phillies stack, Dodgers
stack Mets, stacked, padres stacked. It was unbelievable. It broke
like National League playoff records in the last decade. So
the last time there's been two times that I can
remember rushing to watch the Oscars. It mostly bores me,
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it's too pious and precious whatever, but I went and
rushed to watch it was Silence of the Lambs. It
won the Big Five. It won everything. And the last
time I rushed to watch the Oscars was oppenheiber It
won four the Big Five. I don't want to talk
about budgets. It's not my money. All the owners are billionaires.
I want to watch the Dodgers. I like dynasties. I
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love the heatles. It gives you somebody to root for,
root against. But I do find it interesting that there
are people out there complaining about OKC and Indie and
the structure of the NBA, and that's fine. Like I thought,
it was really interesting until Haliburton got hurt in Game
seven and it just felt like another game. But you
can't complain about that. And the Dodgers dominating baseball because
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it is an all star team, it is literally and
they've had pitching injuries or they probably have four pitchers
in the All Star Game. They already got the manager,
so I just be consistent on it. I have no
problem with it. I don't go to a movie theater
to watch parody. I went to the movie theater for Oppenheimer.
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I go for Tom Cruise movies about once a year.
You'll get me to a movie theater. You know, it's
a great director, two or three great actors. That's what
I want to see. I want to see interesting, I
want to see great and so yeah, yeah, all the
hot stole league.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That was just that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
For ten years. I listened to that on sports talk
radio on the East coast. Oh, people just jam the
phone lines. Let's get that guy. Let's get that guy,
Let's get that All Star. Nobody in New York was
ever saying, you know what, we're taking too much of
the talent. It's lobsided. Well, it's lobsided now because the
Dodger group is richer than the Yankee group, and they
spend a lot of money. Yankee still spend money too,
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Mett spend a lot of money. The Dodgers just spend
theirs more smartly. And nothing against Cincinnati, but spaghetti and
your chili does not make you Naples, Italy. Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry a little smart Alec this morning. But it's
all the sleep I got in the Red Bull, all right,
j Mack, we got a lot of stuff today. We
talk about it. We got a lot of stuff here.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
I thought you liked Joe Burrow just unloading on Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well, it's just when I let's go back to the
Ace Bailey thing though. All these players mostly, I've never
seen an NBA draft with more guys crying, which I love.
I like the player. I mean, the players go up,
it's a life changing moment. They're happy, it's wonderful. But
we have this one kid, and you're like, man, he's
getting really bad advice. And I don't expect eighteen and
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nineteen year olds. I don't expect them to understand and
have the self awareness for the entire process like you.
I leaned on when I was nineteen or twenty. I
leaned on adults. Thank God for my stepdad and my
high school football coach, and like, thank God for that stuff.
And so it's hard for me. The more I thought
about this, the harder it is to blame Ace Bailey.
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I think you have to be culpable. I mean, you're
nineteen twenty. But this is a situation where he needs
a gold star, five star agent because he's getting bad advice.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Hey, you got to hope that the agent doesn't move
to Utah. Ash Bailey then gets under Will Hardy and
the Jazz. The Jazz have a good infrastructure, right, they
got good coach, good front office. He could turn around.
Bailey could be the steal of the draft. He's just
gotta you're right, distance himself from the bad news back home.
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
So this is an interesting word. So Paige Beckers an
unbelievable rookie in the w NBA. Caitlin Clark's the most
interesting player in the league. Page Beckers maybe the most
talented young player even I mean overall, she may be
more complete than Caitlyn Clark. And then there's Ajia Wilson,
who's the best player in Vegas. So Paige Beckers was
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denouncing quote inhumane pressure on Caitlin Clark amid her three
point shooting slump. Inhumane. So let me tell you what's
gonna happen. The WNBA, get ready for it. The national
media is paying attention now, and the criticism is going
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to follow suit, and you're going to have a lot
of media jumping in, especially at the other place, pandering
and defending the players to this sudden harsh criticism because
the way it works in my business, more eyeballs, more opinions,
and the WNBA just posted one hundred and eighty percent
growth in a year, so they're now relevant. So Caitlin
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Clark is not facing in humane pressure. She is facing
relevance and pressure if you're Taylor Swift, if you are
the Tiger Woods of women's sports, you are going to
face pressure. And it's an absolute privilege. Whether you're a
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talk show host, a star athlete, the number one pop
star in the world, or a politician, it is a
privilege to face pressure because you matter. And so for
years and years, the WNBA lamented. There's a lot of tears.
We don't get the respect the money of the men. Well,
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you didn't deserve it. Right now, the league's ratings are
going up, I mean literally spiking, and you're negotiating a
new TV contract with the relevance hums criticism and by
the way, praise. There'll be a lot of praise. There'll
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be a lot of fluffy pandering at certain places, not us,
but that you'll get that in a lot of places.
But this whole thing is that it's in humane. No,
it's not. No, it's not it's if you are Caitlin
Clark and right now. I did this the other day.
I said, there's about seven untradable athletes in the world.
She's number one. You can't trade her. Even Ronaldo's moved around,
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Lebron's moved around. Okay, you can't. You can't trade her.
So I thought it was interesting inhuman No, it's not.
It's just the reality of being relevant. So I was
talking about Austin Reeves and the Lakers just got purchased.
And I said at the time, it shows the health
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of the league that they went for ten billion, seventy
six billion dollar TV contract. Regardless of draft ratings or
NBA ratings. It's relevant in culture, relevant with merchandise. It's
a relevant league. We don't talk hockey, it's a relevant league.
So but the Lakers became a mom and pop organization.
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And I was talking to somebody two days ago. There's
stuff behind the scenes that is boring. But they just
I mean, they didn't go They didn't have certain scouts
that other teams had, they didn't buy certain like services,
analytics services that every other team had. Believe it or not,
you tadd, Jazz have a lot more money in the
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LA Lakers, And I mean, one of the reasons they gave,
you know, one of the reasons I believe that they're
sort of paralyzed by Lebron James, despite knowing he kind
of controls the team, is he sells merchandise and you
can say what you want about Lebron James. You go
to a Laker game, everybody's got a phone, all those
influencers going to their websites and going to their blogs
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and going on their ig and tiktoks showing hey, I
was at the Laker game tonight. He moves an needle.
But I've said the Cowboys are very similar to the
Lakers in that you think, oh, big money. No, no,
Rams are big money. Castan Kronk's got big money. The
Cowboys are mom and pop. So I saw a story
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this morning that Micah Parsons is reportedly going to sign
a historic contract in coming weeks once again, and I
like Micah Parsons. There are but he is a bit
of a splash player and he was in college. He'll
make highlight plays. He'll beat really bad corners. I mean,
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he's got fifty two and a half sacks in his career.
Ten and a half are against Washington. I think five
and a half are against Carolina, four and a half
are against the Giants. He's got a big chunk of
his sacks on three awful teams until Washington hit on
Jaden Daniels. So witnesses like Austin Reeves. I am willing
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to pay a plus money for a plus players. There's
a lot of great defensive players in this league, but
I think the really smart organizations, the really smart organizations
overwhelmingly stay young and cheap on defense chiefs in the Rams,
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except unless you have an elite defensive lineman. There are
five currently this is it, five current defensive players. I
just pay whatever it takes, whatever the market bears. Miles Garrett,
I'm paying whatever it takes. Jared Verse. You don't have
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to pay him for a couple of years, folks. He's
the closest thing I've seen the Lawrence Taylor on the
edge potentially like this kid. He was a rookie wait
until this year. Max Crosby, Patrick Certain and Chris Jones.
Chris Jones an interior defensive lineman. He may not play
for another four years. I'd pay him. And you can say, oh,
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what about Hendrick sin with the Bengals so so against
the run. He's thirty years old, so he's also on
the edge. The Aaron Donald's and the Chris Jones that
go inside it's it's not a lot of those on
the planet. So and you know there's like Will Anderson
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of Houston. I'd like to see one more year. He's close.
Jalen Carter of Philadelphia was a little squirrely in college.
I worry a little bit about the maturity. Probably really close,
he'd be six. But Micah Parsons, even in college, he
was a splash player. If you go and you're totally
honest about this, boom or bust was great for Jerry
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Jones in the oil business. It's not great for pass rushers.
I need boom all the time. That's Miles Garrett or
Jared Verse. So we've talked about this before. How are
you in the playoffs as a pass rusher again, when
you're in division with awful Washington for years, you're playing
Carolina every other year it's the New York Giants turnstile.
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I'm not interested in that. If you look at Micah
Parsons in the regular season and in playoffs, he disappears
in the playoffs four games, one sack, no force fumbles,
not that many quarterback hits. Why Because he's a bully.
He's great against average, the small kids on the playground.
So my Garrett's different. Miles Garrett is the highest greded
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defensive player according to PFF in each of the last
three seasons. He's great against the Ravens, He's great against
the Steelers. Miles Garrett is great all the time. Jared
Verse is unblockable. Sharn Armstead a very good tackle for Miami.
He said, who you gonna miss? He goes, I'm not
gonna miss Jared Verse as a rookie. I don't want
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to face him anymore. Unblockable. Max Crosby again, here's a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Here's a guy because his team O was Trails Max Crosby.
At the end of games. A lot of teams play
the Raiders. They lead in their milk in the clock
disadvantage for him. Patrick's certain three straight Pro Bowls. Best
corner in football. Mature adult can tackle, can defend short, intermediate, deep.
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And then Chris Jones, who remains a guy that you
also Chris Jones, which is really rare. You can move
him anywhere. He'll find the weak spot. He'll go edge,
he'll go inside, he'll go nose, he'll go anywhere. But
I'm a big believer that you don't payt now. TJ. Watt,
I know you love. He's thirty years old. Okay, and
coming on the edge, Chris is an interior and you
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just don't There's not many of those in the world.
I mean Aaron Donald. I could be wrong on this, Jmac.
I think Eric. Aaron Donald retired at thirty two.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So the interior guys don't last very long, and there's
and it's much easier to find edge guys. That's why,
like like a TJ. Watter or a Will Anderson, it's
much easier to find the edge guys than a Jalen
Carter Well, Chris Jones. I mean, we know, and I
say great defensive tackle, we all name two Aaron Donald
and Reggie White. If I say great edge rusher, there's
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twenty we would name off the top of our head
real quick. I get it.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Jared Versus was a beast. Okay, you can't put him
above Aiden Hutchinson common. Aiden Hutchinson is unbelievable. I know
he had the injury, but that's not an argument. Come on,
he doesn't defend the run. He doesn't anyone else on
the line. He's a one man wrecking crew with no help.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Every GM in the league, if you put those two
out there would take Jared.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Verse let's put that to the test.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Jared Verse. Jared Verse, as a rookie was a bullying
Pro Bowl left Tackles.
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
So it was announced today. Aaron Judge of the Yankees,
Sho Hey O Tani was announced yesterday. Actually, they are
the leading vote getter, so they're already into the All
Star Game. The NBA had a bird Magic moment, which
I don't think it saved the NBA, but NBA was
in pretty harsh circumstances. It's very rare when the two
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best players and the two faces of a sport are
in the two I would argue most iconic franchises. Yankees
are clearly the most iconic franchise I think globally. The
Dodgers have become number two. And I always said that
about the Red Sox, even when it was at the
other place and was right next door. The Red Sox
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are Dunkin Donuts. The further you get away from New England,
the less you drink it, Whereas the Yankees are Starbucks,
Beijing Voisey. It's big everywhere, right, So the Yankees are
number one. I think the Dodgers have become The Cubs
are like a smaller version of the Dodgers, where but
a lot of their reputation is built on losing and
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Wrigley Field. I think the Dodgers now are the number two.
Brandon Baseball. I think that is the power of Shoheyo
Tani and his connection to the Pacific rim. But I
mean the Yankees and Dodgers played last year, theyreon Judge
and o Tani. The World Series ratings were up sixty
seven percent. That is that is insane for a number.
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So it doesn't happen. It's very much what's happening in baseball.
And have I or have I not talked more baseball
in the last two years? How do you not? It's
their bird magic moment and they're just incredible guys. Shorts
fans are lucky. I mean, what if we got jerks
like as our best friend. Oh Tawny is about the
most gracious guy in the world. You can throw a
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baseball hit him in the back at one hundred miles
an hour and he's like, it's all good. I'm good.
And Aaron Judge again, wonderful family, wonderful kid. Incredibly humble
and gracious, but you just do not see it in
sports very often. Where what are the two biggest NFL
franchise Kay Dallas Cowboys? Packers is Packers arguably too. Was
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there ever a time that the two biggest stars in
the NFL were Cowboys? Who was a Packer quarterback when
Aikman was there? And who is the quarterback when Farv
was there? It didn't happen very often. It was Tony Romo.
I think you know, it was a bunch of different guys,
but just it doesn't happen that the Packers and the
Cowboys would have the two biggest stars in the NFL. Now,
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the NFL is like their best players are all in
small markets right now, which is extraordinary. But do we
find one Otanian Judge? It's Burden, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, and
off the top of my head, the NFL also doesn't
need that. It doesn't matter Baltimore and Green Bay and
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Kansas City and Buffalo can be dominant in the NFL.
Nobody cares. But there's a reason we talk more baseball
in the show, and it's Otani and Judge are a
big part of it. Jmack with the News. What is
the second big I mean, I don't think the Cowboys
are America's team. I think it's Kansas City has surpassed them,
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although network network executives. But I'm saying so if it's
Dallas is still one network's executives, I think Kansas City
is number two, right, Kansas City is number two?
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Yeah, I mean I guess for now.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You know Mahomes, Kelsey, Taylor, Swift Shore and they're winning.
But if they missed the playoffs, so they can't possibly
be America's team. Now, I Allas can miss the playoffs
and still be America.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I think, yeah, yeah, you know a team that's underrated.
I think the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen like the Cubs.
They don't lose as much as a Cubs, but they
got that Cubs quality. We all really want to see
these legendary losers. Now, the losing for the Cubs was
just all the time. The losing for Buffalo has often
been in Super Bowls, in conference championship. I think if
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Buffalo got to the Super Bowl, I think it would
smash if they played a you know, a decent brand.
I said this last year Buffalo and the Detroit Lions
and the Super Bowl obliterates because the storyline would be
you'd get so many casuals to watch the Bills in
the Lions super Bowl would smash every Super Bowl TV
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record of all time.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
What about Jets forty nine ers, that probably would do
even biggest, because the Jets are the biggest losers the
last fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, but they're totally unlikable. They're losing his dysfunction. Nobody
likes the Jets. They've lost because of themselves.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
That's not nice.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
All right, let's do that.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
That's really mean. All right.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Let's go to the headline news and start with Steph Curry,
my guy entering his seventeenth season. He just turned thirty
seven in March Colin. Interestingly, his dad, Del Curry, was
just on a podcast recently and said, I think Steph
could play well into his forties before hanging him up.
We're not talking six or eight years, but he has
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many several years left now.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
This is interesting.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Remember Isaiah Thomas like popped his achilles and was done
in the NBA.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Like thirty two years old.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Larry Bird's back broke down, he retired early, Magic Johnson HIV.
The biggest stars in the league historically have left early.
Now we're seeing Lebron into his forties and hearing Steph
Curry could play into his forties.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
This is great for basketball.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Well, yeah, he's also a shooter, like hyper athletic guys
age fast, Cam Newton age really fast. You know who
didn't Tom Brady. So it depends on what your game is.
Number Jose Reys played for the Mets and he was
like a super fast based dealing guy. I always remember that.
It's like, oh, everybody was like he's amazing. Like three
years later you're like not the same player, because athleticism
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was the key. And so I mean, look at Tiger
Woods power, torque, unbelievable really quickly. It felt like man,
three year period. He is aging now. So I think
the more power, the more torque, the more physicality to
any sport, you age faster. So I think Curry is
more of a finesse player and a shooter.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
But then Lebron, like, what's the argument agains him.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I mean he's powerful, I mean he's lower the record.
Let me just say this about Lebron. About ten years ago,
he started spending a lot of his time on the perimeter.
The Lebron James has never been a great rebounder. He
doesn't want any part of that. That's not what the
Lebron gets out in transition. He doesn't. Lebron doesn't want
to defend the rim. Lebron doesn't want to get bullied inside.
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Lebron has lived at the hash mark going forward. He
wants the ball he wants to get in transition. So
Lebron smartly moved to the perimeter and got out of
the redwood trees years ago.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Sounds like my game, Collen. Let's stick in the.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
NBA big news out of Toronto where the Raptors have
parted ways with team president messaiu Jiri after thirteen seasons
with the team brought them their loan title.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
This guy has beloved in media circles.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You could read any article.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
From NBA, people listen to a podcast.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Nobody says the negative word about this guy.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
They all love him, which probably needs He's a source
to a lot of them. That being said, he did
make the gamble, bring on Kawhi Leonard and brought Toronto
a title.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
But it is interesting that they fire him after the draft.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's what you should do. Don't screw the draft up.
Remember the Raiders a couple of years ago, didn't they
fire somebody before a draft? Or somebody did that in
sports and we were all like, what was then? You're
bringing new people before the draft and you're not organiza.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Okay, so if you were drafted by the ractors, Wait
a minute, the guy that just drafted me got fired.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
That ain't great.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
No, you complete the scouting in the draft. He's obviously
a very competent human being. You may want to move
off somebody, but I want to do it at the
least disrupt a periods. What is the least disrupted period
in the NBA? The day after the draft?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Well, now you got you got two a week before
free agency starts. I have a conspiracy theory that they
were swinging for the fences here with KD with Giannis
struck out on both of them and said, you can't deliver.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
Us at it for anymore. And I think they got
rid of him.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Now, Zach here, a producer, is a big Lakers guy,
and he's saying, why why wouldn't the Lakers go after
messia Zieri, who's done some really good things in Toronto?
By the while Lowry DeRozan, Alison.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'm not going to blame that GM for not landing
players in Toronto. How many NBA guys Steve Nash didn't
want to go play in Canada, like Canada is not
were NBA Vancouver had a team for an hour and
it disbanded. So I'm not blaming the GM because a
bunch of guys don't want to play. I mean, if
you're Yannis, I'm already in cold weather. I want to
go colder. What's the point the taxes, the weather. It's
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a winter league. So I'm not gonna blame a GM
because you can't land free agents in Toronto.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
You think the Lakers should make a play for.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Him or I mean, Lucas Alika is a divisive figure
in the Laker kingdom out here, Okay, people love him
or hate him. He just delivered Lucas, So I don't
think you can fire him now, but could you maybe
give him a different title and bring in Messiah Zierie.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
All I know is Mark Walters. The first big move
he made with the Dodgers was go getting Tampa's Friedman,
the GM of the Tampa Rays like considered like the
young Mark Shapiro, like the brilliant guy they went and
got him. You know, if you go look at owners
who are aggressive, the first thing they do is get
(31:50):
the GM, right, you get the GM eventually hires the coach.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yeah. Final story con is onto the NFL, where a
couple of head coaches are on the hot side heading
into Week one. According to CBS, these are the top
five coaches on the hottest seats at five Sean McDermott
of Buffalo, Maybe Shane Steikin's at four.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Zach Taylor three, he should be one, Mike McDaniel two,
Brian Dable number one.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
The hottest seat kind.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Of means Stichen what I.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I think a lot of people are tying him to
Anthony Richardson, but I don't think that Richardson keeps getting hurt.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Is that Psichen's fault?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Well, Dabel, McDaniel and Zach Taylor okay, fine. Sean McDermott
is probably say seen Steikin, well he'd be again.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
I mean, I don't think McDermott, like, how would you
fire McDermott.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Is it super Bowl or bust?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I have them winning the super Bowl, but that doesn't
mean if they lose in the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well fire, it's the way they lost with those they
looked at disorganized on Josh Allen's quarterback sneaks and it
was like they don't look like they practiced it. It's
the way they're losing where they feel like they're getting
kind of out coached and out detailed. Offensive league decent point.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
I think you got to have Zach Taylor one.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
I mean, they with Burrow having a historic season, they
missed the playoffs. They've gone They've been backsliding since the
Super Bowl trip.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Some of that's ownership, though, Yeah, I would say the
Brown family ownership. I would defend Zach Taylor. I know
people don't like his clock management. Folks, you didn't like
Andy Reid's and then he got Mahomes and suddenly you
loved it. Like I'd slow down on the clock management.
I don't think many coaches in the league are great
with the clock. I'm honestly, I think it's a tiny number.
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Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. You know I've
said this about the NBA Draft. I'm not going to
have I'm not going to come in too hot, high
or low. It's very much outside of two or three players,
it's a projection draft. These are eighteen nineteen year old kids.
The story that really disappointed me and I led my
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show with it to is the Ace Bailey situation where
it's like, where the adults like, he's got an agent
that's not certified. I mean, it was just I thought
he was a little tone deaf on his sort of
reaction during it. Now there's a story out today that
his agent or he told one of the top five teams,
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I won't go there. Walter Clayton's already showed up in Utah.
He hasn't and reportedly he's a good kid. It's not him.
But I talked about this to start the show. There
are lots of people in America when you're girls mature
faster than boys. There's a lot of sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,
twenty year old boys. They need guidance, dad, mom, surrogate, parent, whatever,
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they need guidance. I feel like with Ace, I'm like,
where are the adults helping him? He's already got a
strike against him. Now, as Draymond Green talked about, where
are the adults helping this kid because he is talented.
Many people argue he's the second best player in the
draft and he fell to five. Jeff Goodman Basketball Insider
Stadium co founder field is sixty eight at Goodman Hoops. Okay,
(35:02):
I read three stories. Two are like, not a bad kid,
He's not about kid, he's getting bad advice. So, I mean,
I I've talked about this before. Is in my life.
I had a great step dad, I had strong people
around me. You know, the father son thing wasn't great,
and thank God for it. My take is, Jeff, is
it possible here the kids just getting really bad advice?
Speaker 8 (35:26):
Not possible, probable, probable that he's getting bad advice. And again,
you know, you're seventeen years old and now you've got
this world of nil and a ton of money on
the table even before you get to the NBA Draft.
So you've got to pick an agent now. And a
lot of these are low level agents right now that
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are in the mix. And I'm sure Ace Bailey wasn't
the one choosing his agent here. But you know it's
a guy named Omar Cooper. He's got no other NBA clients.
He's had a history of legal issues throughout his life.
Colin I caught Win before the season that they were
(36:07):
asking for money for interviews, which I've been doing this
twenty five years, right, twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I've never had anybody ask me for money.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
So I was kind of intrigued. I'm like, all right,
I'm not calling this dude on Mark Cooper. Let's find
out what's going on. So I called them and played dumb.
He I'd love to talk to Ace Bailey, you know,
get them on our network, make him look good, you know,
that's what I do, like, try to loosen these kids up,
show their personality. It's like, no, no, they're not doing
it unless you pay.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And I'm like, no, no, dude, I'm not paying. I'm
not paying to do an interview with a kid.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I'm going to help the kid, give them a platform,
make him look good.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He said, well, you're making money off these kids.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
I said, trust me, you can have the eight dollars
that I'm going to make off this YouTube interview.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Okay, that's going to be on YouTube. Go get a big.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Mac with it, because I'm not making any money off
Ace Bailey in a fifteen minute interview. You So that
was the first red flag, and obviously we've seen him
since now. I will say this talking to a ton
of people around as Bailey, whether it's at Rutgers, whether
it was back in Georgia, he is a good kid
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who works his butt off and loves basketball. Is he immature? Absolutely,
most of us were at that age. But again, the
biggest problem here is not Ace Bailey necessarily, it's his representation.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I'll give you a kid, I think and I and again,
I don't want to come in hot because in the
NFL Draft, I've seen these kids for four years. I
will put my stand on Jayden Daniels and go that's
good or Bo Nicks. I'm not going to pretend I
followed college basketball. At college football, I do think Carter
Bryant I watch I watch Arizona play. I thought, if
(37:54):
you told me there was a guy that went like
lower mid first that hit, I'm like, it's that kid. So,
by the way, you can rip me apart here. But
I watch Arizona probably six seven times a year. I
watched a tournament. I watched him and thought, I don't
know if he'll be a great NBA score. That dude
in San Antonio is going to be a baller. What
do you make of him?
Speaker 8 (38:15):
It's what I love about you, first of all, and
I've always loved about you. You don't pretend to act
like you know everything about everything right, unlike some other
people at Networks.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
We were apt before. But you're right about Carter Bryant.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
He's a three inded dude who can shoot the ball
and defend at a high level.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And he's got length and size. Yeah, and he's just
scratching the surface of what he's going to be.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
The big question I have Colin is in San Antonio,
not necessarily with Carter Bryant, but everything else. Is he
going to come out of the gates and be able
to make shots because they don't have great floor spacing
in San Antonio right now. Dylan Harper Ace Bailey's teammate
at Rutgers, by the way, both picked in the top
five they didn't make the NCAA tournament this past year.
(38:58):
Is not a great shooter. He's a poor man's case.
Cunningham is really what he is. Steph Castle, the rookie
of the year, not a great shooter. Big Tom Avalete,
big strong, Daron Fox, we know he's a blur.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Probably the fastest point guard in the NBA right now
other than is Smid, but again not a great shooter.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
So I like the Carter Brian pick because of that,
because he is a guy that eventually will be able
to space the floor.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Will he be able to do it right away?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't know, So I'll be interested in your opinion
on this. So I've been on this now for about
six months. As I grew up loving college basketball, Jamck
and I talk about this. There was a time in
my life my favorite basketball was not the NBA. It
was the Big East. It was Patino Carlisimo, John Thompson.
I was a West Coast kid. I didn't watch back
twelve basketball. I love the Big East, Big East Monday,
(39:48):
and I love the NBA as well. But there and
all of a sudden, the G League is created. I
have never been a fan. I think the coaching is better.
I think the environments are better in college. I want
kids to I think one of the advantages the NFL
has you got to go to college for three years,
take classes, hang out with non athletes. The coaching is hard.
(40:10):
I don't like the G League. So when we got
to the finals this year, Jeff it was the Pacers
O case thunder is any G league guys. It was
a lot of guys who have been in college basketball
for two, three and four years. I loved it. So
I will tell you the NIL, in my opinion, is
really saving college basketball. When I watched the Yukon team
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two years ago, I'm like, Okay, that team could compete
against UNLV and Larry Johnson. That is a real team.
So everybody complains about the NIL, I think the NIL
is saving college basketball. In my argument, this is a
long question. This is the first draft. This is the
first NIL draft where it's going to be heavy, domestic,
(40:54):
easier to follow, even the international guys playing the States.
This is the first for the next however, long like
the old drafts where I have seen the players play.
I know that's a long, long window, but your thought on.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
That it's not. And you're right because in the old days,
what was it? When you and I were young, it
was like, unless you're a top five to ten pick,
you're going back to school.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
Then it became unless you're a lottery pick, you're going
back to school.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Then it became first rounder.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Then it started to become you know what, even if
you can get a guaranteed deal in.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The second round. A lot of those guys were gone.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
Now the biggest difference, Colling is these kids that are
that are twenty five to forty five or undrafted or
second rounders, they can make two, three million dollars, even
four million dollars right now.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Now, again, this might be a one off type year.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
I think those numbers will dip a little bit, but
it was rare to have a kid like think about
yassel Land of Birds, a kid who transferred from UAB
he's going to Michigan next year, probably would have been
drafted in the twenty five to thirty five range, and
instead of rolling the dice whether he's going to get
a guaranteed first round draft pick, you.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Know he did. He went to Michigan and.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
He's going to get a guaranteed three million plus at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
So you're right. It's changing the.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
Game to whereas these guys that aren't guaranteed lottery picks,
they're saying to themselves, I can make more money going
back to college.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Cooper Flag, what's the hole in his game? Jeff Goodman,
I wish I had one.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
I had one going into the year. In fact, I
was like, I don't think he's a guy you can
build your frances around.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I don't. I don't think he could be a number one.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
And I've seen him fifty times AAU ball going into Duke,
and I.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Didn't think it was a great shooter. I thought his
handle was loose.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
You know, he's an elite level defender, passer, all that.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
But after watching him this past season.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
At Duke do what he did, I'm convinced he will
be a top ten player in the NBA within five years,
be a.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Top five player. I would be shocked if he's not
a top ten player. Shot he's got. I've been doing
this twenty five years.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
There's no player I have seen coming out of college
that has fewer holes in their game than Cooper Flag.
That doesn't mean he shoots it better than Kevin Durant,
that doesn't mean, you know, he remounds it better than Shock.
But overall, nobody has fewer holes in their game. Nobody's
more well rounded than Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's an awesome take. You know it's I said this
as a comp People think I don't like Jason Tatum.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
I do.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I wish it was more aggressive, I say, Cooper flag
is a hyper aggressive Jason Tatum at Duke where it's like,
give me the ball, get out of here. I read
a story about Kaitlyn Clark. Christine Brennan has a book
on Kaitlyn Clark. Kitlyn Clark when she was like seventh grade,
trailed by eleven points with a minute seven seconds left,
she went in a thirteen to nothing run and didn't
pass the ball. It's like, I want Jason Tatum to
(44:01):
have just a little bit of that. But uh, Jeff Goodman,
his stuff is a field of sixty eight college basketball
network at Goodman Hoops knows his stuff. Loved your takes Man,
Great Senior.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Love you call him great senior too. Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
We called him late today and I always appreciate that
when we call somebody late and they have time for us.
But he thinks he can be and I love Jeff.
What he's saying is, I didn't think he was that
good this year, and then he improved. Young people make
massive jumps, like like seventeen year old to nineteen year old.
I mean, once you're forty five in life, maybe you'd
(44:34):
stop smoking or something. You know, you know, you don't
make me what you are at forty three is what
you are mostly. I mean, even if you're going to
diet neat better, it lasts like eighteen months and then
you go back to Heinekens and Sloppy Jones for lunch.
Like I mean, let's be honest about it. At this point,
I'm not changing. It's hard to get me to get
a haircut, like I mean, I'm just not changing. This
(44:55):
is what you get and it's pretty good, but there's
no more changes. I'm unchanging cold plunge, not interested, pickleball league,
talk to somebody else, not doing it.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
There is a.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Lot to talk about, Jamack. I got eight and a
half hours of sleep. That happens once a month, so
I'm ready to go. I'm knocking down Red Bull might
as well be Raisinets. Baby, I'm ready to go. I'm
knocking them down. I am fired up for a Friday,
and Jamak, I'm you know. It's support systems are really
important for all of us. You had very strong parents,
(00:53):
which I think is a great advantage in life. Right.
You had good support and good guidance and siblings. It
doesn't always happen in life, and that's why it's very
important for little league coaches. And I had great high
school basketball. Football coaches were like surrogate parents for me.
I want to talk about that because I'm seeing something
in sports today that it bums me out. So I
(01:14):
am a child of divorce. Without boring you, I had
a very strong mom. I had a great step dad
who stepped in and was my little league coach, my
best friend's dad, Jack Jones. Dad was like a little
bit of a surrogate father. I was very lucky. My
life could have gone sideways really fast. Mom and dad divorced.
Dad leaves very decent human being, but he was onto
(01:34):
another stuff, and I'm just kind of left, just left,
and so thank god I had these incredibly strong people
in our life, in my life, and I know it's
an uncomfortable talk. The media doesn't like this discussion. But
Dad's matter a lot on Father's Day. It matters most
of the great athletes I've covered in my life. Almost
(01:56):
every great quarterback, almost every great one, almost all strong
dad or if not super strong mom, strong guidance because
that brain's still developing. At seventeen and eighteen and nineteen
twenty years old, girls mature much faster than boys boys.
At seventeen eighteen nineteen, I said yesterday, maybe they're valedictorian.
(02:18):
Maybe you're getting them out of juvie like when you're seventeen,
eighteen nineteen. Guys change fast and we don't mature as quickly.
So I saw a story this morning. Ace Bailey is
this kind of kid that like his representative, his agent
told him, Hey, he told one of the top five
teams not to pick him. And I'm thinking, where are
(02:38):
the adults to help this kid? Where are he's getting
horrible advice? Reportedly he's a good kid, but when the
year started he was considered the second best player to
Cooper Flagg, second best prospect. So he's already cost himself
nine million dollars, dropping from third where he should have
gone to fifth. And by the way, his teammate Dylan Harper,
(03:02):
Ron Harper always in his life is there? Unfortunately Ace,
dad was in and out of his life. Well, you
got mom, you got other people. This story though, where
are the adults to help this kid? Because he hired
an agent, Omar Cooper, And I know we don't like agents, right,
I don't see this happening, you know to a lot
(03:22):
of agents players. This is Omar Cooper legal issues in
the past, not certified agent by the NBA. One NBA client,
Ace Bailey. This is not the agent you pick. What's
the Lebron's agent? Rich Paul. Rich Paul. I've seen him
(03:44):
let go of clients if they won't listen to him.
Rich Paul is a very very good agent, excellent agent.
This kid needed Rich Paul. He needed Rich Paul. He
needed a strong, certified, respected agent because no adults are
stepping in for this kid. So I mean quality of
agents matter. I've had four, trust me. There is a
(04:05):
big gap in competency in every industry. But this is
a great example where the adults are not there for
this kid. He's reportedly not a bad kid, but Draymond
Green talked about this yesterday. This kid now already has
a reputation, fair or not.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't necessarily think it hurt.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It didn't hurt.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You went five whooped to do.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But you're walking into the NBA able to strike, And
I think that's what's the most important to understand. It's
like you're walking in with a question mark on character,
You're walking in with a question mark on work ethic,
you're walking in with a question mark on your.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Cam and and agents and family structure is really important
in NBA basketball because NFL players coming at twenty three
twenty four, where all young men naturally mature over time. Right,
trust me as a that's got six kids in my life.
The difference between like eighteen nineteen and twenty four is
(05:04):
two different human beings, especially with boys. And so this
is the time where in the NFL has a structural
advantage over the NBA because kids are just older, you know,
they just boys are older. They come into the LEGLA.
But you go eighteen nineteen years old, and that's when
a young man needs guidance. And this guy, adults are
(05:24):
failing this kid. He wouldn't work out for teams. That's
just not what you do. His agent apparently told like
one of the top five teams not interested. That is
not what you do. By the way, the other guy
that the Utah Jazz drafted, Walter Clayton, he's already there,
He's already in Salt Lake. He's there. So this is
(05:44):
one of these situations. I know, it's uncomfortable and nobody
wants to talk about it. But those Little league coaches,
those high school basketball coaches, those high school football coaches
man or women, are so vital for boys and young men.
And all I see with this, all I see with
this kid is where are the adults? Where the helpers?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
All right?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Saw this story this morning. Aaron Judge and Shohey O
Tania been named the American League and National League starters
for Major League Baseball's All Star Game. So they came
out today they list the All Star finalists, so they
break it into like two time periods. These are now
the only people you can vote for for the All
Star Game, and so fans in media, a lot of
(06:27):
them complained about the NBA playoffs the finals, well parody,
no sizzle and no glamour, small markets. That's okay, but
you better not be the same people complaining about the
Dodgers in the National League All Star finalists having a
player at every position, every single position first, second, short, third, catcher, outfield,
(06:50):
that doesn't even count the pitchers. And Dave Roberts is managing. Okay,
you can't. You got to be consistent. I'm Cole Colin
is consistent. I like most dynasties, Alabama fotball dynasty a
little borings first, little boring. But today in baseball, the Dodgers,
the Cubs, the Yankees, and the metsro in first place.
I can't believe the Mets are. They've been playing terrible,
They're all in first place, and I'm all in Colin.
(07:11):
What about Cincinnati? I was there once, I went to
the airport. I was told they had great chili. I
tried it. They put spaghetti in it. Wow, revolutionary. Might
as well be Florence, Italy. I'm sorry. And all these
New Yorkers are such phonies and hypocrites complaining about the Dodgers.
I used to work at another network on the East Coast,
and I remember listening to sports talk radio for a
(07:34):
decade out there. Oh they love the Hot Stove League.
Oh let's go buy this guy and this guy and
this guy. What do you complain about?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The Hot Stove League's now in air frar, and the
Dodgers have the best one. Get over it. I mean,
Dodgers season tickets should come with the two free tickets
of the All Star Game. Apparently, but you know you
can't have both. You can't complain about the NBA All
Star Game and the Dodgers having all the players and
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the Dodgers it's lobsided. I'm all for it. I said
last year the National League Playoffs, the Phillies stack, Dodgers
stack Mets, stacked, padres stacked. It was unbelievable. It broke
like National League playoff records in the last decade. So
the last time there's been two times that I can
remember rushing to watch the Oscars. It mostly bores me,
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it's too pious and precious whatever, but I went and
rushed to watch it was Silence of the Lambs. It
won the Big Five. It won everything. And the last
time I rushed to watch the Oscars was oppenheiber It
won four the Big Five. I don't want to talk
about budgets. It's not my money. All the owners are billionaires.
I want to watch the Dodgers. I like dynasties. I
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love the heatles. It gives you somebody to root for,
root against. But I do find it interesting that there
are people out there complaining about OKC and Indie and
the structure of the NBA, and that's fine. Like I thought,
it was really interesting until Haliburton got hurt in Game
seven and it just felt like another game. But you
can't complain about that. And the Dodgers dominating baseball because
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it is an all star team, it is literally and
they've had pitching injuries or they probably have four pitchers
in the All Star Game. They already got the manager,
so I just be consistent on it. I have no
problem with it. I don't go to a movie theater
to watch parody. I went to the movie theater for Oppenheimer.
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I go for Tom Cruise movies about once a year.
You'll get me to a movie theater. You know, it's
a great director, two or three great actors. That's what
I want to see. I want to see interesting, I
want to see great and so yeah, yeah, all the
hot stole league.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That was just that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
For ten years. I listened to that on sports talk
radio on the East coast. Oh, people just jam the
phone lines. Let's get that guy. Let's get that guy,
Let's get that All Star. Nobody in New York was
ever saying, you know what, we're taking too much of
the talent. It's lobsided. Well, it's lobsided now because the
Dodger group is richer than the Yankee group, and they
spend a lot of money. Yankee still spend money too,
(10:05):
Mett spend a lot of money. The Dodgers just spend
theirs more smartly. And nothing against Cincinnati, but spaghetti and
your chili does not make you Naples, Italy. Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry a little smart Alec this morning. But it's
all the sleep I got in the Red Bull, all right,
j Mack, we got a lot of stuff today. We
talk about it. We got a lot of stuff here.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
I thought you liked Joe Burrow just unloading on Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well, it's just when I let's go back to the
Ace Bailey thing though. All these players mostly, I've never
seen an NBA draft with more guys crying, which I love.
I like the player. I mean, the players go up,
it's a life changing moment. They're happy, it's wonderful. But
we have this one kid, and you're like, man, he's
getting really bad advice. And I don't expect eighteen and
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nineteen year olds. I don't expect them to understand and
have the self awareness for the entire process like you.
I leaned on when I was nineteen or twenty. I
leaned on adults. Thank God for my stepdad and my
high school football coach, and like, thank God for that stuff.
And so it's hard for me. The more I thought
about this, the harder it is to blame Ace Bailey.
(11:16):
I think you have to be culpable. I mean, you're
nineteen twenty. But this is a situation where he needs
a gold star, five star agent because he's getting bad advice.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Hey, you got to hope that the agent doesn't move
to Utah. Ash Bailey then gets under Will Hardy and
the Jazz. The Jazz have a good infrastructure, right, they
got good coach, good front office. He could turn around.
Bailey could be the steal of the draft. He's just
gotta you're right, distance himself from the bad news back home.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
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Speaker 3 (12:07):
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Speaker 2 (12:18):
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
So this is an interesting word. So Paige Beckers an
unbelievable rookie in the w NBA. Caitlin Clark's the most
interesting player in the league. Page Beckers maybe the most
talented young player even I mean overall, she may be
more complete than Caitlyn Clark. And then there's Ajia Wilson,
who's the best player in Vegas. So Paige Beckers was
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denouncing quote inhumane pressure on Caitlin Clark amid her three
point shooting slump. Inhumane. So let me tell you what's
gonna happen. The WNBA, get ready for it. The national
media is paying attention now, and the criticism is going
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to follow suit, and you're going to have a lot
of media jumping in, especially at the other place, pandering
and defending the players to this sudden harsh criticism because
the way it works in my business, more eyeballs, more opinions,
and the WNBA just posted one hundred and eighty percent
growth in a year, so they're now relevant. So Caitlin
(13:33):
Clark is not facing in humane pressure. She is facing
relevance and pressure if you're Taylor Swift, if you are
the Tiger Woods of women's sports, you are going to
face pressure. And it's an absolute privilege. Whether you're a
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talk show host, a star athlete, the number one pop
star in the world, or a politician, it is a
privilege to face pressure because you matter. And so for
years and years, the WNBA lamented. There's a lot of tears.
We don't get the respect the money of the men. Well,
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you didn't deserve it. Right now, the league's ratings are
going up, I mean literally spiking, and you're negotiating a
new TV contract with the relevance hums criticism and by
the way, praise. There'll be a lot of praise. There'll
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be a lot of fluffy pandering at certain places, not us,
but that you'll get that in a lot of places.
But this whole thing is that it's in humane. No,
it's not. No, it's not it's if you are Caitlin
Clark and right now. I did this the other day.
I said, there's about seven untradable athletes in the world.
She's number one. You can't trade her. Even Ronaldo's moved around,
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Lebron's moved around. Okay, you can't. You can't trade her.
So I thought it was interesting inhuman No, it's not.
It's just the reality of being relevant. So I was
talking about Austin Reeves and the Lakers just got purchased.
And I said at the time, it shows the health
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of the league that they went for ten billion, seventy
six billion dollar TV contract. Regardless of draft ratings or
NBA ratings. It's relevant in culture, relevant with merchandise. It's
a relevant league. We don't talk hockey, it's a relevant league.
So but the Lakers became a mom and pop organization.
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And I was talking to somebody two days ago. There's
stuff behind the scenes that is boring. But they just
I mean, they didn't go They didn't have certain scouts
that other teams had, they didn't buy certain like services,
analytics services that every other team had. Believe it or not,
you tadd, Jazz have a lot more money in the
(16:04):
LA Lakers, And I mean, one of the reasons they gave,
you know, one of the reasons I believe that they're
sort of paralyzed by Lebron James, despite knowing he kind
of controls the team, is he sells merchandise and you
can say what you want about Lebron James. You go
to a Laker game, everybody's got a phone, all those
influencers going to their websites and going to their blogs
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and going on their ig and tiktoks showing hey, I
was at the Laker game tonight. He moves an needle.
But I've said the Cowboys are very similar to the
Lakers in that you think, oh, big money. No, no,
Rams are big money. Castan Kronk's got big money. The
Cowboys are mom and pop. So I saw a story
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this morning that Micah Parsons is reportedly going to sign
a historic contract in coming weeks once again, and I
like Micah Parsons. There are but he is a bit
of a splash player and he was in college. He'll
make highlight plays. He'll beat really bad corners. I mean,
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he's got fifty two and a half sacks in his career.
Ten and a half are against Washington. I think five
and a half are against Carolina, four and a half
are against the Giants. He's got a big chunk of
his sacks on three awful teams until Washington hit on
Jaden Daniels. So witnesses like Austin Reeves. I am willing
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to pay a plus money for a plus players. There's
a lot of great defensive players in this league, but
I think the really smart organizations, the really smart organizations
overwhelmingly stay young and cheap on defense chiefs in the Rams,
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except unless you have an elite defensive lineman. There are
five currently this is it, five current defensive players. I
just pay whatever it takes, whatever the market bears. Miles Garrett,
I'm paying whatever it takes. Jared Verse. You don't have
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to pay him for a couple of years, folks. He's
the closest thing I've seen the Lawrence Taylor on the
edge potentially like this kid. He was a rookie wait
until this year. Max Crosby, Patrick Certain and Chris Jones.
Chris Jones an interior defensive lineman. He may not play
for another four years. I'd pay him. And you can say, oh,
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what about Hendrick sin with the Bengals so so against
the run. He's thirty years old, so he's also on
the edge. The Aaron Donald's and the Chris Jones that
go inside it's it's not a lot of those on
the planet. So and you know there's like Will Anderson
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of Houston. I'd like to see one more year. He's close.
Jalen Carter of Philadelphia was a little squirrely in college.
I worry a little bit about the maturity. Probably really close,
he'd be six. But Micah Parsons, even in college, he
was a splash player. If you go and you're totally
honest about this, boom or bust was great for Jerry
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Jones in the oil business. It's not great for pass rushers.
I need boom all the time. That's Miles Garrett or
Jared Verse. So we've talked about this before. How are
you in the playoffs as a pass rusher again, when
you're in division with awful Washington for years, you're playing
Carolina every other year it's the New York Giants turnstile.
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I'm not interested in that. If you look at Micah
Parsons in the regular season and in playoffs, he disappears
in the playoffs four games, one sack, no force fumbles,
not that many quarterback hits. Why Because he's a bully.
He's great against average, the small kids on the playground.
So my Garrett's different. Miles Garrett is the highest greded
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defensive player according to PFF in each of the last
three seasons. He's great against the Ravens, He's great against
the Steelers. Miles Garrett is great all the time. Jared
Verse is unblockable. Sharn Armstead a very good tackle for Miami.
He said, who you gonna miss? He goes, I'm not
gonna miss Jared Verse as a rookie. I don't want
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to face him anymore. Unblockable. Max Crosby again, here's a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Here's a guy because his team O was Trails Max Crosby.
At the end of games. A lot of teams play
the Raiders. They lead in their milk in the clock
disadvantage for him. Patrick's certain three straight Pro Bowls. Best
corner in football. Mature adult can tackle, can defend short, intermediate, deep.
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And then Chris Jones, who remains a guy that you
also Chris Jones, which is really rare. You can move
him anywhere. He'll find the weak spot. He'll go edge,
he'll go inside, he'll go nose, he'll go anywhere. But
I'm a big believer that you don't payt now. TJ. Watt,
I know you love. He's thirty years old. Okay, and
coming on the edge, Chris is an interior and you
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just don't There's not many of those in the world.
I mean Aaron Donald. I could be wrong on this, Jmac.
I think Eric. Aaron Donald retired at thirty two.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So the interior guys don't last very long, and there's
and it's much easier to find edge guys. That's why,
like like a TJ. Watter or a Will Anderson, it's
much easier to find the edge guys than a Jalen
Carter Well, Chris Jones. I mean, we know, and I
say great defensive tackle, we all name two Aaron Donald
and Reggie White. If I say great edge rusher, there's
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twenty we would name off the top of our head
real quick. I get it.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Jared Versus was a beast. Okay, you can't put him
above Aiden Hutchinson common. Aiden Hutchinson is unbelievable. I know
he had the injury, but that's not an argument. Come on,
he doesn't defend the run. He doesn't anyone else on
the line. He's a one man wrecking crew with no help.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Every GM in the league, if you put those two
out there would take Jared.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Verse let's put that to the test.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Jared Verse. Jared Verse, as a rookie was a bullying
Pro Bowl left Tackles.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
So it was announced today. Aaron Judge of the Yankees,
Sho Hey O Tani was announced yesterday. Actually, they are
the leading vote getter, so they're already into the All
Star Game. The NBA had a bird Magic moment, which
I don't think it saved the NBA, but NBA was
in pretty harsh circumstances. It's very rare when the two
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best players and the two faces of a sport are
in the two I would argue most iconic franchises. Yankees
are clearly the most iconic franchise I think globally. The
Dodgers have become number two. And I always said that
about the Red Sox, even when it was at the
other place and was right next door. The Red Sox
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are Dunkin Donuts. The further you get away from New England,
the less you drink it, Whereas the Yankees are Starbucks,
Beijing Voisey. It's big everywhere, right, So the Yankees are
number one. I think the Dodgers have become The Cubs
are like a smaller version of the Dodgers, where but
a lot of their reputation is built on losing and
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Wrigley Field. I think the Dodgers now are the number two.
Brandon Baseball. I think that is the power of Shoheyo
Tani and his connection to the Pacific rim. But I
mean the Yankees and Dodgers played last year, theyreon Judge
and o Tani. The World Series ratings were up sixty
seven percent. That is that is insane for a number.
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So it doesn't happen. It's very much what's happening in baseball.
And have I or have I not talked more baseball
in the last two years? How do you not? It's
their bird magic moment and they're just incredible guys. Shorts
fans are lucky. I mean, what if we got jerks
like as our best friend. Oh Tawny is about the
most gracious guy in the world. You can throw a
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baseball hit him in the back at one hundred miles
an hour and he's like, it's all good. I'm good.
And Aaron Judge again, wonderful family, wonderful kid. Incredibly humble
and gracious, but you just do not see it in
sports very often. Where what are the two biggest NFL
franchise Kay Dallas Cowboys? Packers is Packers arguably too. Was
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there ever a time that the two biggest stars in
the NFL were Cowboys? Who was a Packer quarterback when
Aikman was there? And who is the quarterback when Farv
was there? It didn't happen very often. It was Tony Romo.
I think you know, it was a bunch of different guys,
but just it doesn't happen that the Packers and the
Cowboys would have the two biggest stars in the NFL. Now,
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the NFL is like their best players are all in
small markets right now, which is extraordinary. But do we
find one Otanian Judge? It's Burden, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, and
off the top of my head, the NFL also doesn't
need that. It doesn't matter Baltimore and Green Bay and
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Kansas City and Buffalo can be dominant in the NFL.
Nobody cares. But there's a reason we talk more baseball
in the show, and it's Otani and Judge are a
big part of it. Jmack with the News. What is
the second big I mean, I don't think the Cowboys
are America's team. I think it's Kansas City has surpassed them,
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although network network executives. But I'm saying so if it's
Dallas is still one network's executives, I think Kansas City
is number two, right, Kansas City is number two?
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Yeah, I mean I guess for now.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You know Mahomes, Kelsey, Taylor, Swift Shore and they're winning.
But if they missed the playoffs, so they can't possibly
be America's team. Now, I Allas can miss the playoffs
and still be America.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I think, yeah, yeah, you know a team that's underrated.
I think the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen like the Cubs.
They don't lose as much as a Cubs, but they
got that Cubs quality. We all really want to see
these legendary losers. Now, the losing for the Cubs was
just all the time. The losing for Buffalo has often
been in Super Bowls, in conference championship. I think if
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Buffalo got to the Super Bowl, I think it would
smash if they played a you know, a decent brand.
I said this last year Buffalo and the Detroit Lions
and the Super Bowl obliterates because the storyline would be
you'd get so many casuals to watch the Bills in
the Lions super Bowl would smash every Super Bowl TV
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record of all time.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
What about Jets forty nine ers, that probably would do
even biggest, because the Jets are the biggest losers the
last fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, but they're totally unlikable. They're losing his dysfunction. Nobody
likes the Jets. They've lost because of themselves.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
That's not nice.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
All right, let's do that.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
That's really mean. All right.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Let's go to the headline news and start with Steph Curry,
my guy entering his seventeenth season. He just turned thirty
seven in March Colin. Interestingly, his dad, Del Curry, was
just on a podcast recently and said, I think Steph
could play well into his forties before hanging him up.
We're not talking six or eight years, but he has
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many several years left now.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
This is interesting.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Remember Isaiah Thomas like popped his achilles and was done
in the NBA.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Like thirty two years old.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Larry Bird's back broke down, he retired early, Magic Johnson HIV.
The biggest stars in the league historically have left early.
Now we're seeing Lebron into his forties and hearing Steph
Curry could play into his forties.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
This is great for basketball.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Well, yeah, he's also a shooter, like hyper athletic guys
age fast, Cam Newton age really fast. You know who
didn't Tom Brady. So it depends on what your game is.
Number Jose Reys played for the Mets and he was
like a super fast based dealing guy. I always remember that.
It's like, oh, everybody was like he's amazing. Like three
years later you're like not the same player, because athleticism
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was the key. And so I mean, look at Tiger
Woods power, torque, unbelievable really quickly. It felt like man,
three year period. He is aging now. So I think
the more power, the more torque, the more physicality to
any sport, you age faster. So I think Curry is
more of a finesse player and a shooter.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
But then Lebron, like, what's the argument agains him.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I mean he's powerful, I mean he's lower the record.
Let me just say this about Lebron. About ten years ago,
he started spending a lot of his time on the perimeter.
The Lebron James has never been a great rebounder. He
doesn't want any part of that. That's not what the
Lebron gets out in transition. He doesn't. Lebron doesn't want
to defend the rim. Lebron doesn't want to get bullied inside.
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Lebron has lived at the hash mark going forward. He
wants the ball he wants to get in transition. So
Lebron smartly moved to the perimeter and got out of
the redwood trees years ago.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Sounds like my game, Collen. Let's stick in the.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
NBA big news out of Toronto where the Raptors have
parted ways with team president messaiu Jiri after thirteen seasons
with the team brought them their loan title.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
This guy has beloved in media circles.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You could read any article.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
From NBA, people listen to a podcast.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Nobody says the negative word about this guy.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
They all love him, which probably needs He's a source
to a lot of them. That being said, he did
make the gamble, bring on Kawhi Leonard and brought Toronto
a title.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
But it is interesting that they fire him after the draft.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's what you should do. Don't screw the draft up.
Remember the Raiders a couple of years ago, didn't they
fire somebody before a draft? Or somebody did that in
sports and we were all like, what was then? You're
bringing new people before the draft and you're not organiza.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Okay, so if you were drafted by the ractors, Wait
a minute, the guy that just drafted me got fired.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
That ain't great.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
No, you complete the scouting in the draft. He's obviously
a very competent human being. You may want to move
off somebody, but I want to do it at the
least disrupt a periods. What is the least disrupted period
in the NBA? The day after the draft?
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Well, now you got you got two a week before
free agency starts. I have a conspiracy theory that they
were swinging for the fences here with KD with Giannis
struck out on both of them and said, you can't deliver.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
Us at it for anymore. And I think they got
rid of him.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Now, Zach here, a producer, is a big Lakers guy,
and he's saying, why why wouldn't the Lakers go after
messia Zieri, who's done some really good things in Toronto?
By the while Lowry DeRozan, Alison.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'm not going to blame that GM for not landing
players in Toronto. How many NBA guys Steve Nash didn't
want to go play in Canada, like Canada is not
were NBA Vancouver had a team for an hour and
it disbanded. So I'm not blaming the GM because a
bunch of guys don't want to play. I mean, if
you're Yannis, I'm already in cold weather. I want to
go colder. What's the point the taxes, the weather. It's
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a winter league. So I'm not gonna blame a GM
because you can't land free agents in Toronto.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
You think the Lakers should make a play for.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Him or I mean, Lucas Alika is a divisive figure
in the Laker kingdom out here, Okay, people love him
or hate him. He just delivered Lucas, So I don't
think you can fire him now, but could you maybe
give him a different title and bring in Messiah Zierie.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
All I know is Mark Walters. The first big move
he made with the Dodgers was go getting Tampa's Friedman,
the GM of the Tampa Rays like considered like the
young Mark Shapiro, like the brilliant guy they went and
got him. You know, if you go look at owners
who are aggressive, the first thing they do is get
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the GM, right, you get the GM eventually hires the coach.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yeah. Final story con is onto the NFL, where a
couple of head coaches are on the hot side heading
into Week one. According to CBS, these are the top
five coaches on the hottest seats at five Sean McDermott
of Buffalo, Maybe Shane Steikin's at four.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Zach Taylor three, he should be one, Mike McDaniel two,
Brian Dable number one.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
The hottest seat kind.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Of means Stichen what I.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I think a lot of people are tying him to
Anthony Richardson, but I don't think that Richardson keeps getting hurt.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Is that Psichen's fault?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Well, Dabel, McDaniel and Zach Taylor okay, fine. Sean McDermott
is probably say seen Steikin, well he'd be again.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
I mean, I don't think McDermott, like, how would you
fire McDermott.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Is it super Bowl or bust?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I have them winning the super Bowl, but that doesn't
mean if they lose in the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well fire, it's the way they lost with those they
looked at disorganized on Josh Allen's quarterback sneaks and it
was like they don't look like they practiced it. It's
the way they're losing where they feel like they're getting
kind of out coached and out detailed. Offensive league decent point.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
I think you got to have Zach Taylor one.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
I mean, they with Burrow having a historic season, they
missed the playoffs. They've gone They've been backsliding since the
Super Bowl trip.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Some of that's ownership, though, Yeah, I would say the
Brown family ownership. I would defend Zach Taylor. I know
people don't like his clock management. Folks, you didn't like
Andy Reid's and then he got Mahomes and suddenly you
loved it. Like I'd slow down on the clock management.
I don't think many coaches in the league are great
with the clock. I'm honestly, I think it's a tiny number.
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Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News. You know I've
said this about the NBA Draft. I'm not going to
have I'm not going to come in too hot, high
or low. It's very much outside of two or three players,
it's a projection draft. These are eighteen nineteen year old kids.
The story that really disappointed me and I led my
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show with it to is the Ace Bailey situation where
it's like, where the adults like, he's got an agent
that's not certified. I mean, it was just I thought
he was a little tone deaf on his sort of
reaction during it. Now there's a story out today that
his agent or he told one of the top five teams,
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I won't go there. Walter Clayton's already showed up in Utah.
He hasn't and reportedly he's a good kid. It's not him.
But I talked about this to start the show. There
are lots of people in America when you're girls mature
faster than boys. There's a lot of sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,
twenty year old boys. They need guidance, dad, mom, surrogate, parent, whatever,
(34:41):
they need guidance. I feel like with Ace, I'm like,
where are the adults helping him? He's already got a
strike against him. Now, as Draymond Green talked about, where
are the adults helping this kid because he is talented.
Many people argue he's the second best player in the
draft and he fell to five. Jeff Goodman Basketball Insider
Stadium co founder field is sixty eight at Goodman Hoops. Okay,
(35:02):
I read three stories. Two are like, not a bad kid,
He's not about kid, he's getting bad advice. So, I mean,
I I've talked about this before. Is in my life.
I had a great step dad, I had strong people
around me. You know, the father son thing wasn't great,
and thank God for it. My take is, Jeff, is
it possible here the kids just getting really bad advice?
Speaker 8 (35:26):
Not possible, probable, probable that he's getting bad advice. And again,
you know, you're seventeen years old and now you've got
this world of nil and a ton of money on
the table even before you get to the NBA Draft.
So you've got to pick an agent now. And a
lot of these are low level agents right now that
(35:47):
are in the mix. And I'm sure Ace Bailey wasn't
the one choosing his agent here. But you know it's
a guy named Omar Cooper. He's got no other NBA clients.
He's had a history of legal issues throughout his life.
Colin I caught Win before the season that they were
(36:07):
asking for money for interviews, which I've been doing this
twenty five years, right, twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I've never had anybody ask me for money.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
So I was kind of intrigued. I'm like, all right,
I'm not calling this dude on Mark Cooper. Let's find
out what's going on. So I called them and played dumb.
He I'd love to talk to Ace Bailey, you know,
get them on our network, make him look good, you know,
that's what I do, like, try to loosen these kids up,
show their personality. It's like, no, no, they're not doing
it unless you pay.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And I'm like, no, no, dude, I'm not paying. I'm
not paying to do an interview with a kid.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I'm going to help the kid, give them a platform,
make him look good.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He said, well, you're making money off these kids.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
I said, trust me, you can have the eight dollars
that I'm going to make off this YouTube interview.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Okay, that's going to be on YouTube. Go get a big.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Mac with it, because I'm not making any money off
Ace Bailey in a fifteen minute interview. You So that
was the first red flag, and obviously we've seen him
since now. I will say this talking to a ton
of people around as Bailey, whether it's at Rutgers, whether
it was back in Georgia, he is a good kid
(37:16):
who works his butt off and loves basketball. Is he immature? Absolutely,
most of us were at that age. But again, the
biggest problem here is not Ace Bailey necessarily, it's his representation.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I'll give you a kid, I think and I and again,
I don't want to come in hot because in the
NFL Draft, I've seen these kids for four years. I
will put my stand on Jayden Daniels and go that's
good or Bo Nicks. I'm not going to pretend I
followed college basketball. At college football, I do think Carter
Bryant I watch I watch Arizona play. I thought, if
(37:54):
you told me there was a guy that went like
lower mid first that hit, I'm like, it's that kid. So,
by the way, you can rip me apart here. But
I watch Arizona probably six seven times a year. I
watched a tournament. I watched him and thought, I don't
know if he'll be a great NBA score. That dude
in San Antonio is going to be a baller. What
do you make of him?
Speaker 8 (38:15):
It's what I love about you, first of all, and
I've always loved about you. You don't pretend to act
like you know everything about everything right, unlike some other
people at Networks.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
We were apt before. But you're right about Carter Bryant.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
He's a three inded dude who can shoot the ball
and defend at a high level.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And he's got length and size. Yeah, and he's just
scratching the surface of what he's going to be.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
The big question I have Colin is in San Antonio,
not necessarily with Carter Bryant, but everything else. Is he
going to come out of the gates and be able
to make shots because they don't have great floor spacing
in San Antonio right now. Dylan Harper Ace Bailey's teammate
at Rutgers, by the way, both picked in the top
five they didn't make the NCAA tournament this past year.
(38:58):
Is not a great shooter. He's a poor man's case.
Cunningham is really what he is. Steph Castle, the rookie
of the year, not a great shooter. Big Tom Avalete,
big strong, Daron Fox, we know he's a blur.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Probably the fastest point guard in the NBA right now
other than is Smid, but again not a great shooter.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
So I like the Carter Brian pick because of that,
because he is a guy that eventually will be able
to space the floor.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Will he be able to do it right away?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't know, So I'll be interested in your opinion
on this. So I've been on this now for about
six months. As I grew up loving college basketball, Jamck
and I talk about this. There was a time in
my life my favorite basketball was not the NBA. It
was the Big East. It was Patino Carlisimo, John Thompson.
I was a West Coast kid. I didn't watch back
twelve basketball. I love the Big East, Big East Monday,
(39:48):
and I love the NBA as well. But there and
all of a sudden, the G League is created. I
have never been a fan. I think the coaching is better.
I think the environments are better in college. I want
kids to I think one of the advantages the NFL
has you got to go to college for three years,
take classes, hang out with non athletes. The coaching is hard.
(40:10):
I don't like the G League. So when we got
to the finals this year, Jeff it was the Pacers
O case thunder is any G league guys. It was
a lot of guys who have been in college basketball
for two, three and four years. I loved it. So
I will tell you the NIL, in my opinion, is
really saving college basketball. When I watched the Yukon team
(40:30):
two years ago, I'm like, Okay, that team could compete
against UNLV and Larry Johnson. That is a real team.
So everybody complains about the NIL, I think the NIL
is saving college basketball. In my argument, this is a
long question. This is the first draft. This is the
first NIL draft where it's going to be heavy, domestic,
(40:54):
easier to follow, even the international guys playing the States.
This is the first for the next however, long like
the old drafts where I have seen the players play.
I know that's a long, long window, but your thought on.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
That it's not. And you're right because in the old days,
what was it? When you and I were young, it
was like, unless you're a top five to ten pick,
you're going back to school.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
Then it became unless you're a lottery pick, you're going
back to school.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Then it became first rounder.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Then it started to become you know what, even if
you can get a guaranteed deal in.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The second round. A lot of those guys were gone.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
Now the biggest difference, Colling is these kids that are
that are twenty five to forty five or undrafted or
second rounders, they can make two, three million dollars, even
four million dollars right now.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Now, again, this might be a one off type year.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
I think those numbers will dip a little bit, but
it was rare to have a kid like think about
yassel Land of Birds, a kid who transferred from UAB
he's going to Michigan next year, probably would have been
drafted in the twenty five to thirty five range, and
instead of rolling the dice whether he's going to get
a guaranteed first round draft pick, you.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Know he did. He went to Michigan and.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
He's going to get a guaranteed three million plus at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
So you're right. It's changing the.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
Game to whereas these guys that aren't guaranteed lottery picks,
they're saying to themselves, I can make more money going
back to college.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Cooper Flag, what's the hole in his game? Jeff Goodman,
I wish I had one.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
I had one going into the year. In fact, I
was like, I don't think he's a guy you can
build your frances around.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I don't. I don't think he could be a number one.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
And I've seen him fifty times AAU ball going into Duke,
and I.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Didn't think it was a great shooter. I thought his
handle was loose.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
You know, he's an elite level defender, passer, all that.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
But after watching him this past season.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
At Duke do what he did, I'm convinced he will
be a top ten player in the NBA within five years,
be a.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Top five player. I would be shocked if he's not
a top ten player. Shot he's got. I've been doing
this twenty five years.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
There's no player I have seen coming out of college
that has fewer holes in their game than Cooper Flag.
That doesn't mean he shoots it better than Kevin Durant,
that doesn't mean, you know, he remounds it better than Shock.
But overall, nobody has fewer holes in their game. Nobody's
more well rounded than Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's an awesome take. You know it's I said this
as a comp People think I don't like Jason Tatum.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
I do.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I wish it was more aggressive, I say, Cooper flag
is a hyper aggressive Jason Tatum at Duke where it's like,
give me the ball, get out of here. I read
a story about Kaitlyn Clark. Christine Brennan has a book
on Kaitlyn Clark. Kitlyn Clark when she was like seventh grade,
trailed by eleven points with a minute seven seconds left,
she went in a thirteen to nothing run and didn't
pass the ball. It's like, I want Jason Tatum to
(44:01):
have just a little bit of that. But uh, Jeff Goodman,
his stuff is a field of sixty eight college basketball
network at Goodman Hoops knows his stuff. Loved your takes Man,
Great Senior.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Love you call him great senior too. Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
We called him late today and I always appreciate that
when we call somebody late and they have time for us.
But he thinks he can be and I love Jeff.
What he's saying is, I didn't think he was that
good this year, and then he improved. Young people make
massive jumps, like like seventeen year old to nineteen year old.
I mean, once you're forty five in life, maybe you'd
(44:34):
stop smoking or something. You know, you know, you don't
make me what you are at forty three is what
you are mostly. I mean, even if you're going to
diet neat better, it lasts like eighteen months and then
you go back to Heinekens and Sloppy Jones for lunch.
Like I mean, let's be honest about it. At this point,
I'm not changing. It's hard to get me to get
a haircut, like I mean, I'm just not changing. This
(44:55):
is what you get and it's pretty good, but there's
no more changes. I'm unchanging cold plunge, not interested, pickleball league,
talk to somebody else, not doing it.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
It's the hurt
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