June 28, 2025 • 47 mins
On this episode of Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball, the guys are joined by San Diego Chargers legend, Shawne Merriman! Rory and Mal ask about how Virginia fits into the "DMV" conversation, how Shawne got the nickname "Lights Out", and recall when Shawne got popped by Maurice Jones-Drew #volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
The volume.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Ali, Y, we are back with another episode of Rory
Maul Don't Know Ball because we absolutely do not know all.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
We know a little bit, We know what we need
to know.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But today we are joined by somebody that's gonna give
us more of insight on ball.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Are the violence side of it?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, the violence the physicality of the game. Today we
are joined by a legend, legend from the East Coast
University of Maryland legend. With the twelfth pick in the
two thousand and five NFL draft room, the San Diego
Chargers selected an absolute let's just call them a tank,
(01:22):
fucking my fucking tank. Make some noise for the legendary
Sean Merriman and uh, happy birthday as well. How we
celebrating towards game.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I am about to be forty one, dog, you know
them days have changed a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I'm looking at doing a three day juice classes.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah. So that's my type of site, that's my type
of shit. That's what I'll be on. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
My birthday was two weeks ago and I went to
Detroit for work.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
You know when you when you get like forty and over, man,
like I think other people make more about your birthdays
than you do.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, like what you're doing for your birthday? I'm like
that my birth next week?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Oh I forgot you stopped counting after a while. Man.
It just creeps it next thing, you know, it just
creeps up on you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I turned thirty five and when my family was asking me,
all I was thinking was like, this is something I'm
going to have to pay for, So why.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Would I sell them? You want me to go do
something that I'm gonna pay for?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
All right?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Bet cool?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I think I'll do nothing for my birthday there and
save some money.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Sean. How you feeling though, Man? What's going on with you?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
All right, not much, man.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
You know we you know, we got a big fight
coming up, you know, miam.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
And May League Light Style extreme fighting.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
We got big fighting in San Diego actually back in
my stomach grounds at Casino Palma June fourteenth, man, So
just getting ready for that and then you know, making
some announcements too with Light Sized Sports TV my network.
We had some new content getting ready for this big
tailgate show this year through the NFL, the NFL parking
lots called the Ausman Fans. I always got twenty with
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like live stream twenty teams tailgates with the Hospitality one
of the best tail companies in the country.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Man.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be kind of crazy
because we got three former players.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Every team is hosted.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
So like when you talk about personalities and you're talking
about like guys just being comical and like talking football
and interacting with the fans like this. This is the
biggest thing in me to just happened really in a
pregame of sports.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So just getting ready for that. Just this grinded, just
been working.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Oh that's I mean, that's the birthday party right there.
You said forty tailgates or something.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yeah, we're doing twenty twenty locations, twenty markets, so basically
twenty teams felgates at the same time. So we'll be
like simulcasts and all of them, and it's gonna be
super dope, Like Nobe's ever done anything like this, so
you know, we'll be the first to do it on
white size sports TV.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I love that, all right, Sean, So so Rory and I, Man,
we got there. We started this show, man, because you know,
sometimes we feel like we know ball, and you know,
we come to realize that maybe we don't know. Maybe
we just couch spectators, and we feel like we could
have made that catch or made that block. It's easy
to say that, but somebody like yourself that played the
game with such a high level, we're here to kind
of dig into the nuances and and and break some
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of the stereotypes of people that sit home and say, oh,
I could have done.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That exactly Dayly is what you said.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, yes, we're not trying to be our Skip Villis,
but let's start at the beginning show. Growing up in Maryland,
you played basketball and football. What was the like, why
did you go towards football and why did football pull
you more than than basketball.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Why did you stop playing basketball?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
You know, seeing Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley and those
guys like, you know, eleven twelve years old, you're like,
football probably gonna.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Be for me.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Yeah, you know, like they was, they were so far ahead,
and we all came from the same area, Prince George County, Mellen,
you know, so getting to see.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
That what's in the water out here, it's a lot
of talent out out of PG.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Honestly, man, I'm surprised that, like no one's done a
big enough like story on this. How much talent not
even just in basketball and football too, and Vernon Davis
and you know the viral brawlman, Like it's it's crazy
how many how much talent has come out of this,
come out of the area. And you know, I would
just one up. You know, I was just one up man.
So you know what, you know what got me in
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the football I was just too aggressive basketball and in
my when I was eleven years old, my basketball coach
at the end of the season said, you know what,
I got a sport that I think this this will
worked well for you in Okay. So that's that's how
I got introduced the football field.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
So I'm assuming you were one of those that fouled
out maybe in the second quarter.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Now it was it was a middle affair, you know.
I'm made it past halftime. But you know, it's funny
you talked to any you talked to any football player.
The first thing like, oh, yeah, you know I used
to hoop in high school and college or whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I said.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
I was like, Ben Wallace, you get what I'm saying,
like rebound and defense, a lot of putbacks and free throws,
you know, but again, you need you need guys a
caught like that.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Did football come naturally to you?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
It was crazy because I never watched really watched football,
and I didn't even know what you do. And so
my coach was like when he put me out, they said, look,
whoever got that football in their hands, go hit him?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
And I said, what else?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
You know what I said, I could do that, you know,
So that's what I did.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
First first day of practice when I was a kid,
the running back came and called like a little swing.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Pass out of the silence, and I came and whacked him.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Put them under like the water under the water coolers,
you know, the water cools. The side the water coolers
fell down, and there was a big scene. And the
kid's mom, she was there. She came running on the
field and practice and was cursing me out right. And
so I go back to the huddle looking at my
coaches like I did something wrong, And my coaches whispered
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in my ear and they was like.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Hey, do that shit again.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know everybody, that's what you do. So that's why
that's why I was home.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And then the next day seven agents were yeah, seven
agents all over the country.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
How early was it obvious that you were different in
that the league was probably in your future?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
For me, man, it was.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You know, so when I talk about Kevin Durand and
Beasley and all those guys, you could tell eleven twelve
years old normally like, Okay, these dudes are gonna go
to the NBA one day because they were everything that
they were doing in the NBA they were doing at
eleven twelve years old. For me, it was like thirteen
fourteen when I got into high school. That's when I
kind of started to separate myself where people are like, Okay,
he's gonna he's gonna this dude, gonna go to a
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D one college. So I went to Fred Douglas High
School in Upper Marlboro, Maryland, And at that point, everybody's like, Okay,
this is gonna be the first kid out of the
school to go to Division one. So I did that,
and when I got to Maryland my freshman year, it
was like, Okay, this gonna be this is gonna be
our highest drive pick.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
So it kind of like one of those things.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
As soon as I stepped on every level, h it
was always those rumblings, those talks.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, of course it's hometown, but but why Maryland
as far as I grew.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Up twenty minutes from school, and like for me, we
just talked about so much talent coming from that area. Well,
like Durant, KD went to Texas. So all the big
man guys, all the big name kids when you came
out of high.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
School, they left.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
And I was like, man, if we if we kept
all the talent here, like what if KD and Beasley
and all these guys went to Maryland, you know, And
so we had like myself, Vernone Davis and like I mean,
like Navarre or Bowman. The list, I mean, the list
is crazy, you know, Joe Hayden, you know, So we
were stacked up with so much talent, but everybody left.
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So I wanted to be like that one of the
first ones that came out as a as a top prospect.
I was the number one player coming out of the
d m V area DC Maryland Virginia area. And so
when I went to Maryland, it was like, man, this
dude had offers from Alabama, from USC from Penn State,
And for me, I was like, I'm staying home.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I want to be the first.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And I mean there's some age gap.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But are you in contact with Katie point Vernon, Davis Beasley?
Are you guys just because you guys to talk all
the time.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, never to talk all the time. And I probably
talked to KD a couple of times a year. Or
we're running to each other at you know, some events
somewhere and kind of chop it up. But we're we're
we're a tight knit group, man, Like all of us
like super tight. As far as you know, we see
each other. I don't care if it's two years. Like
we run up to each other and we talk like
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we you know, we talk on a normal basis. Man,
we just really tight, a tight knit group.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Sean.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Growing up, how much of football? Uh, like, when did
it click for you that this is what you want
to do? And then how much how much of your
day revolved around the game of football?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Well, I mean back in PG County and Washington, DC area,
man in the in the late eighties and nineties, it
was it was bad, Like it's not like how it
looks now where you know you can go outside run
at night in certain parts in d C and jog
like it was nothing like that. He wasn't going out,
And so I knew for me to have a real
opportunity to getting out of that, football was going to be
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a big part of it, like to go get education
and go to Maryland any school I wanted to go to.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And so that's when I started to take it serious.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
But you know, I had, you know, when I was
younger because of my living circumstances, like I had angry issues.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I hated it coming home and eviction notices.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I hated it coming home and didn't know if the
house or gonna have heat or light's going to be on.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
And so football was like my outlet.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
I get those two hours and practice a day or
get those game times to go knock somebody's head off
and it was legal.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, I was like, man, I can go take my
frustration out.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
And so I knew that that was a like an
opportunity for me to get out of my circumstances. But
I had I had bigger goals too, man, just outside
of football, and I just knew that that was gonna
be the way that I was gonna get there.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Now, what was the music scene for like for you
growing up in DMV. Obviously we know some of the
DMV legends and guys that came out, but like when
Sean is in high school or you know, working out, Like,
what was some of the music that you was listening to?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Are You Go Go? Or Baltimore Class.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Go Go and Baltimore music, both of them, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
And so I listened to Backyard junk Yard Rare Essence EU,
and I listened to a lot of Kate Swift out
of Baltimore, a lot a lot of Baltimore house music.
But that was really it all the way through. And
then I got into like my favorite, you know, rap
group of all time, Three six Mafia, And so I
started listening like three six Mafia a lot, but yeah,
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probably probably out of those. That's That's what I was
listening to in high school.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Pause. Are you able to still do the swing that
ship dance?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
I never I've never been a dancer, but you know,
watch out of the Big Girls come on or something.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I might you know, I might move a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, I mean, do you hear even like I feel
like Ouzzi and a lot of artists I feel like
adopted a lot of the Baltimore Club sound. Is that
something that surprised you because it did take a while
for Baltimore Club to bubble into the mainstream.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I feel like, now you hear that ship on Drew Records, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Now a lot of it, especially because.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Of wild A. Like Whenile came out with What Got
with Rick rosson mainstream, you start hearing a lot of it.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
You start hearing Go Going and Beyonce's music.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
You know, but Chuck Brown was it was a huge
influence on all of us, like growing up and so
just just being just being.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
There and being around it.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Man, Like the d V area is its own planet,
Like it's this own country in it's in itself, you
know where you don't you go from the DN V.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
You don't hear that anywhere.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Else your dress wise, you know, guys wearing drop socks
and tims, the lingo you all here anywhere else outside
of the d m V area. And then it was
it was so big. Then it started tricking out where
you know, you go to Chicago, you go, you go,
start going to New York and you start hearing guys
talk like they from from d C.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Does PG County identify more with Baltimore with DC?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Because I've heard.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
That a million dollar questions.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
That's the split right there, That's.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
A split because.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
The truth there is a lot of Baltimore casts and
DC cats didn't like each other.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
And so when I say Maryland, people automatically assumed that
I was from Baltimore. But I was probably thirty five
or forty minutes from Baltimore, yeah, but like ten minutes
from d C. Right, So I started actually saying that
I was d C because I didn't want to identify
as as from Baltimore because Baltimore had like this student
I joke with Mellow about this sometimes and stuff, because
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you know, had like a dirty like a dirty.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Field to Baltimore. You know, that's how you see guys
look at it then.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
So so I always I always used to say that,
you know, I was from Washington, d C. Because I
was more closer to Washington, d C. Than I was
to Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And then was it Richmond at Montgomery County? What's the
other one on the county.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, that's what that's where Wilder's from.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, and that's you would say, more identifies DC than
it does Maryland or Baltimore in particular.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, one hundred percent, like you would think while it's
from DC before he is from Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, well, I mean I'll tell too, Yeah, but love,
it's funny. The Virginia part of the d m V
conversation is always the strangest one to me because there
is like Alexandra and right there, but you still have
such a big state, Like I don't even think people
to people from Virginia Beach even claim the d m
V or Norfolk.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Is that way too far now?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah that's just way yeah, you way out there. But again,
you know, it's so hard to really talk about them
because you talk about like Fairfax, Alexandra, Alexander, you can
get from there to.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
D C at a four minutes yeah, yeah, well you know.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
But you're in Virginia.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yeah, I think you start talking about like rich Bend, Virginia.
But you know, Chris brown Up is from Virginia, Michael
Vicks from Virginia. AI is from from VA. So it's
it's again. Man, It's so crazy when you get in
that DNV area.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Did you ever play against t C Williams High School?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
No, that was I think that was the d C.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Whatever, what's the remember the Titans one? That's it?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So I watched Remember the Titans my entire life and
thought it was in like the Deep South. I found
out that shit was five minutes outside of Washington, d C.
I thought they were in some farm. They're thinking that
that was like the Deep South. The whole time. I
did not realize big foods like nah.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I thought she's like father from DC.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
So basically thought Sunshine was from Alabama.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Exactly one hundred percent. I'm like, this's some country ass
shit they was.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
They was not country. There was five minutes away from
southeast exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
All right, Sean, So you get drafted the twelfth pick
two thousand and five, You're going to San Diego playing
for the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
What is the first thought on your mind, man, that
I was.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
So I took my visits to the ben Radskins, you
know now Washington Commanders. Yeah, I went to like Dallas Cowboys,
the Lions, and I went to.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
The Chargers.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
I've never been out to the West coast before ever,
and so you know when I yeah, I wanted to
kind of stay home again, like if I got a
chance play for them Redskins, I'm like, oh, man, I
go to college, here go then I'm a knife pick
overall Like now you super hometown hometown kid, man, I would.
I took my visit San Diego. I flew over that
water for the first time, the palm trees. I said, Man, God,
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they ain't gonna bless me this way. Drafted, I said,
I said, the only way, man, I gotta do some
more charity, Gotta go to church a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I'm getting drafted out of here.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
And when I got drafted, and it was like the
best because I always I would say this to everybody, man,
like I love home. I still represent Pee, I still
got a three on one number.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
But you gotta go. You got to see other things.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
You got to get away a little bit to experience
and see other things. And when I went to San Diego, man,
it was like a dream come true because for one,
they had a good team. I was coming into a
good team. I think they went twelve and four that
year before before I got there. And now you're in
the West Coast in the best place in my in
my opinion, San Diego, the best place to live in
the country. M hm, I've heard that so beautiful. Yeah, Man,
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I went there. I was like, man, it's unbelievable. You
get a chance to be high draft picked twelfth overall,
normally you're going to.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Cleveland again, You're going to you know, you're going.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
To something that's not, you know, really a nice city
that people want to get drafted like, you know, I
like Cleveland, but it's San Diego.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's not San Diego.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Maul talks a lot on this show about athletes having
to compete with rappers in the club or you know,
when they get drafted to a city, they got to
deal with the drug dealers. What was it like competing
with Navy seals for women in San Diego, Because that's
a very unique experience to San Diego. The rest of
these athletes had to deal with Rappers in LA or
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New York or whatever you had to deal with Navy Seals.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, I'm taking Sean.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I'm taking Sean kicking a Rappers ass any other NFL players,
And I just don't know if the Seal team sixers
in the club. If I'm taking Sean Merriman over the
Seal team.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yeah, they not getting the sections and I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Man our tax dollars don't pay them enough. Yeah, but
I mean that is like a coach.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I love our military, but ain't they ain't come up
with a bottle minimum, you know, so, I think now,
which was crazy because San Diego didn't have really nobody else.
They didn't have a basketball team and the hockey team.
You know, like you said, it wasn't just the Rappers
you got. There was no other sports teams really, yeah,
you know, the Padres kind of came around. But we
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were it. And so we were the basketball team. We
were like the highlight of the entire city and so
and then too we will win it on top of that,
like we weren't scrubs, we weren't bumps, and we were
out there winning games.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And so now it's you're at the top of the
world at that point, who's.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The greatest Who is the greatest athlete you've ever.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Seen that I played against?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Or like just in general, actually both that you played
against and that you just seen.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Honestly, probably Vernon Davis that I played with as far
as like just a freakish athlete may do with two
fifty round and four to three. You just don't even
see nothing like that and crazy strong and athletic and explosive.
And I played with that Tony and Caramarti he was
he was another one. But may you get up there
to the NFL, man, you start seeing some freakish, like
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just some freakish players with that. I saw Lineen is
three hundred and fifty pounds and can win mail off
the vertical, like you just you said some silly shit
at that point. Yeah, so you see yeah, tons everywhere.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean you had ELT at that time too.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
What was that era?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like even with Philip Rivers, ELT was Antonio Gates.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Sense of the question.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Why did that team not win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
See, no, we're gonna go there, huh.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Like you guys had a squad, Yeah, on both sides.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
You know what, man, I don't really regret a whole
lot about my career, but that's one of them. Because
you know, I still talk to a lot a lot
of a lot of friends of mine of Hall of famers,
and they got super Bowl rings, and you know, the
Marshall Fox who I talked to, Michael Irv and Deon
Sanders and all these guys who was around they got
they got either jackets and rings.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Or both that things.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Sting Man because we we had that especially we were
really good between the two thousand and five and twenty ten.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
We were we were had very good teams.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
That twenty sixteen Man was in my opinion, the best
team of the decade. And I know that the Patriots
had their undefeated and stuff, and the Colts and you know,
but that team that we had, MAN was so dominant.
And you look back and we asked ourselves the question
all time.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
I was talking to Lt.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Dannie Thomason some months ago and we got together and
I was like, we bring it up, like just happened?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Like how like? Like why not?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Because we were so dominant as so many like I
played with potentially five Hall of Famous on one team.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Absolutely, you.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Yeah, when you look at it like that, it's like
there should have been no reason.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I think the main reason is.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
That we were young, and we were so good that
we always felt that we could get back there, and
so when it was things on the line, like fourth
quarters or big situations, I think that we didn't lock
in enough in some of those things, or penalties or
just something dumb that we didn't really understand the moment.
Because we were so good, we just we felt invincible, man.
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I mean, the practices used to be harder than the games,
like seeing Antonio Gates every day and then lighting it
up against whoever it is, it didn't even matter. And
so Cean lorenz O'Neil at fourth back, you got a
class with him. You ain't getting no clash out of
anybody else than that. Seeing LT We were so stacked.
But then one year we had el Ladanian Thomason start,
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Michael Turner back, Michael Turner backing him up. Who did
who killed it out there with the Fogers? When he left,
we had Darren spros Is the third string running back.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
That's how I mean. We were just ridiculously stacked.
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stayed in San Diego instead, do you think it would
have been different?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:11):
No, because look, I don't want to take shots Eli
because he was he was a damn good quarterback and
I think he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame
at some point. But that defense that they had with
Michael Irvin and and like Oca and Tuck justin Tuck, yeah,
I mean they were. It was crazy. They had so
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many guys in that defense that also contributed.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
And you need a little bit of luck, man, like
that catch it, but my boy had off.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
His help like catch that.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Yeah, it just don't even happen.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So I think that the cards fell in place with
them also too.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You know who they had to play against at the time.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
You know, the division wasn't wasn't always the greatest to
mean Dallas, you know, Cowboy were good.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Where they just were dominant in that position.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Right now, you went to San Diego. You wore number
fifty six. Obviously the legendary recipes Junior say, I war
number fifty five. How much of an impact did he
have when a young Sean Merriman coming into San Diego.
What were the conversations like with Junior?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Sayou man.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
So it's you always watched him as a as a player,
right you see.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Him running sideline and sideline.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Jumping over He just he played at a high level,
like for full quarters.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
You don't even see anything like that, just next level.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I didn't know how big Junior was until I got
to San Diego. Like he was San Diego you step
in there and you mentioned Junior Sea, You're like you're
talking about president level where he has He's just he
captivated that city and you know he had his restaurant,
he had charity events and just he was the most
loved person between him and him and Tony Gwenn to
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ever come through with the city. And so I didn't
realize how big he was. And I saw him when
I got drafted and I walked in. I was out
there and I walked in the lobby of the building.
He was coming down the stairs and we stopped. We
talked for about, you know, a couple three four minutes. Whatever,
told me good luck, and you know, he was ah
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wan to watch to see me playing some what I did.
And at the end of the conversation he said, buddy,
He's like, all right, buddy, man take these basically, you know,
do your thing this year. And so in my head,
I'm twenty years old. I'm not in twenty one.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I don't believe. In my head, I'm thinking, like, yo,
Junior say.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I just called me buddy, Like I'm I got I'm
like shit, he called me, buddy.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
We're cool, We're friends, right.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
So I go to a couple of meetings and then
I walk out of this meeting and I saw him
going down the hallway and he called everybody, buddy.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
It's deflated, especially you're not.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Especially it was his thing. He called everybody buddy.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
So I still tell that story because I was like special. Yeah,
after I was special, and you know, he called me
buddy and uh but man, he just you know, I
got a lot of workout tips from him. And even
then in his fourteen fifteen sixteen year during the off season,
he still worked like an animal, like you just he
wasn't even real, and so I any doctors he had
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as therapist, nutritionist, I got, I hired him all everybody
he went to. I hired everybody Junior had.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Oh wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, since we're on nicknames like buddy, was there a
specific moment that the nickname lights out happened?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Was it over time or was it one day that
somebody's like somebody's TV turned off?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
My my?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Uh my sophomore in high school, I knocked out four
kids in one game.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So that's that's how the name happened.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
So you can't just breathe over that ship over knocking
out four dudes and like, yeah, so I did that,
and then you know, then I went and just had
some dairy queen after the game, and it was just
like whatever, you know, Yeah, had.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Four others that I'm sure you had to deal with.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
My dude, it was it was a fiasco after that.
So I walked off the field out of that game,
and like twenty or twenty five students coming run up
to me and they said, man, you knock those kids,
you know, those kids lights out? And I said, yeah,
you know what called me lights out? And so I
go to school. I go to school and I didn't
even I just said it. I didn't even think anything
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to it. I went to school on Monday, and I
got my backpack on, I got my books in my hand.
I walked past, you know, everybody in school and they're like, yo,
what's up. Lights So it already somehow carried This is
pre social media, so they already carried hour into school.
And so I went home that day and I literally
begged my mother to let me get this lights out
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tattooed on my right form.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And so my mother was like a big smoke smoker
at the time. So I ran in the room.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I opened the door and like smoke just went everywhere,
Like I'm trying to move smoke out of the way so
I could find her. Sit on the bed, said mar
this lights out thing gonna be big man, people who
already called me lights out. I want to get this
lights out tattoo on my on my right fourth forum.
She looked at me and took one more puff of
a cigarette and said, boy, get the hell out to row.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
She knows brand You were ahead of your time with
branding and marketing.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yeah. Yeah, so I always had that.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So anyway, you know, every day for two weeks I
bothered her, and she finally let me go get this
lights out tattoo on my on my right forearm like
two weeks later, and so I got to funny story,
I got to uh, got to Maryland and put it
on a big platform and had a big game Friday
night against Georgia Tech on ESPN. I had a big hit,
and so boom, that lights out thing came back on
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the national platform.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I get to San Diego, and now you got Lt.
Gates and Philip.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Rivers, Lorenzo O'Neil, Jamal Williams like all these, you know,
Randall Godfrey, Donie Edwards. They're looking at me. I just
turned twenty one, and we're not calling you no damn
lights out.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
You're a rook.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
We call you rook on fifty six, and so I
was like, I looked at him, like, okay, cool.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
We uh.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
We had a game against Kansas City and running back
Priest Holmes, who was one of my you know, one
of my favorite players of all time, and.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I went out and hit him and knocked him out,
and after the like when right after.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
The game, I walked over and LT put his hand out,
it was like a good game likes.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
So I got you know, I got my respect then
from all the.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Guy one one time. I mean, you put preests homes down,
that's his.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I have to backtrack though. Can you walk me through
all four knockouts your sophomore, Like, can we do play
by play one through four of each of these teenagers
being knocked the funk out?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Well, well one of them. One of them was a fullback.
One of them was a quarterback. When I was a
wide receiver to cut back, and it was a guy
on kickoff.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
We did like a.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Na Yeah, the quarterback quarterback receives what the running back
in a kick in a kick returner. So you took
away their offense and special teams in three quarters.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Yeah, this is a guy that was blocking me on
the on the on the on side kick.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
It was a lineman. It was blocked.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I was freshman year football. I remember because we had
to do weighan's every day. I was one hundred and
two pounds. If Sean Merriman knocked out the current wide
receiver and it was like get in there, Rory, and
his nickname was lights Out, I would have quit football
my freshman year.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, you got fuck that. I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
It's funny. So after that game in high school, we
talked about the parents. When I was a kid, after
the game of high school, I had one of the parents.
We used to walk up through these little gates, these
fens and walk on the basketball court in order to
get up to the to the football field. I had
a parent account. You know, basketball players play defense and
they get down their stands. They put their hands out.
Parent just blocking me from getting on the field and said,
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I don't belong to play with her son.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I need to show a birth certificated.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
And it was it was crazy after that, man, like
they're trying to get me off the field, and they
actually challenged the school.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I had to produce all these kind of records to
show that I was my age.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's crazy. I mean I'd probably be that parent too though.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
No, absolutely in high school walking on the field and
my son is five to eight, but get this fucking
tank on the field. So we just had the NFL
Draft and the news coming out of the draft this
year obviously with Sadr Sanders fall into the fifth round.
As somebody who's obviously traveled that road and and and
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played college football and had to go to the draft,
what were you thinking watching that? Did you feel like, uh,
it was a personal attack on coach Prime and his family,
or do you feel like maybe you know, as a player,
Sean Merriman looks at your doing says the kid is
not maybe as good as they think he is.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yet Yeah, I think it was a combination. I think
it was a combination of both.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
I think that that Dion, who's one of my favorite
players of all time.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
And I mean I remember doing it back when I
was a kid.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I had the head band around the neck doing the
Deon Sanders dance in the backyard when I scored. So
you know, he's one of my favorite players of all time.
He has such a strong voice. You know, everybody listened
to Prime that I think that a lot of teams
don't want to be on their scrutiny, you know. And
you know it was some pre draft stuff that was
said that like certain teams that they should do well
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or won't go to you.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I think it was a little bit.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
I think that you know, should door probably rubbed some
coaches the wrong way when those meetings, you.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Know, I think out of a part of it, and.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Also too, man, I think that you know, if you're
going to take on somebody with all this, all this
like media and attention behind them, like he better be
a bona fide star, superstar in order for you to
deal with because the NFL will deal with it if
you got some baggage of you got something with you
and they don't like certain things, but you just nimble
one of your position, they'll take a chance because they
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think there's enough upside for them to deal with whatever
they got to deal with. So I think that is
looking like, man, like you're gonna get judged by Dion
if he ain't playing. You're going to have cameras in
the locker room and media all the time on why this?
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Why that?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Because you got such a big name and prominent player
that with a strong family name, and a very opinionated,
very like blunt. So I think it was a it
was a combination of everything, man, I don't I don't
think that.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I don't think it was one thing. I think it
was everything.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
When they went down their draft or their evaluation, they
was like boom boom, boom boom, Okay, we can't do it.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I don't think that. I don't think it was one
single thing that happen.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, yeh think I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Before we get off the lights out conversation, what was
the hardest hitting running back? Not shifty, his hardest to tackle?
Who was the only one where you felt like, Okay,
I'm gonna hurt myself too trying to tackle.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
I mean the only one, the only one that ever
got me was Morige and Drew in two thousand and seven.
And you know what's funny, Like people call him small,
but you gotta think he's just shut it. Ain't nothing small, ain't.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Nothing low gravity too.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Yeah, this dude got a seven hundred pounds squad and
five hundred pounds, Like he's just ridiculous. He's strong and
he probably like two fifty, so we're not that big
of as side.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
He's just short and so two thousand and seven, we went.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Down there played him in the game, and they ran
this formation where the fullback named Greg Jones, who's also
big as hell, in like six three to sixty two
two fifty plus or two sixty running dead at me.
So I'm ready to go up against him. He just
moves a little bit over to the right, runs past me,
and Maurice Jones Drew's right behind him, all five six
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of them, and just boom, hit me right under the chin.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
And I didn't know what the hell happened.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Right like, I got up, I popped back up because
I'm like, I ain't know, nobody.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Gonna see this. Everything everyone, and so they didn't know.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
It was going to be that big, right, So I
got up and I heard the crowd saying ooh, But
I didn't really think it was ood because of me,
because I got up so fast.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I ain't really think I saw it.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Man.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
We we left jacksonvill because we lost that game. We
left Jacksonville. We got home. By the time we landed,
they had like two all too full of commercials made
on this head.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Man.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
I was like, Yeah, whoever in this editing house the
flip commercials that fast I'm like, I need to hire
They do a magnificit job, two commercials made, and.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You need your royalties for being in it.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Oh, dude, like it was, it was. It was bonkers.
It was bonkers.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
But that's probably only the only time I got I
got got.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
What about all any tight ends that that were tough?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Rob Rob Gronkrouse is probably the toughest.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
That's not you know, an Tonio Gate, I'm gonna put
up there, but he's my teammate. But after him, Rob
Gronkowski was tough, and Tony Gonzalez was tough to deal with,
and some of the bigger ones, like the guy who
was on the opposite side of Tony Tony Gonzales, people
ain't eve talking about because he was a blocking tight end,
Jason Dunn. But this dude was every bit of sixty
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seven almost ninety three hundred pounds playing tight end. Yeah,
he was hell to deal with. So but yeah, we
I seen I've seen all the best of them.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
We talked to Terrell Suggs a couple of weeks ago
and unfortunately, you know, he was his first ballot to
go into the Hall and he was denied. Coach Coach
Billichick was on a podcast and uh, you know, he said,
any any player that he had the double team every
possession is an absolute Hall of fame in his eyes. Terrell,
you know, expressed us to his disappointment and not making
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it first ballot. How important is the Hall to you?
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Though?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
It is?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
But you know, for me, my my career was cut
shortcuts of injury, right, so I know that you know,
it's a long shot for me again and if I
even have an opportunity to get in because and by
the way, man, I believe the longevity. And when I
saw Terrell Suggs not getting in, I said, man, I'm
never getting in. You get because he had such a
long and great career. But you know it used to
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be something that was a priority to me and for
a long time. But then you start looking at it,
man is I started looking at the impact, like the
impact you had on the game when you know, when
I was healthy and when I was playing for those
years and then you know, whenever somebody to talk about,
you know, anywhere between two thousand and five and two
thousand and eight or nine, and you put me up
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there with some of the greatest and not only members wise,
but just somebody is dominant was taking over games and
my name to get mentioned.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, I'm pretty cool with that.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Like to me, that's I think that's dope for to
get mentioned up up there the rest of those guys
who end up going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
But you were still talked about doing that era.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Before we get to our don't know ball trivia questions,
I do have to ask, because it's one of my
favorite shows. Ever, what was it like to shoot on
the show Entourage? I assume you got shot that one day,
but it was still a pretty pivotal scene, like you
were there with all the NFL owners, Jeremy Piven, Like,
what was that day?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Like it was it was crazy how it happened.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
So I got a I was good friends with Doug Gallen,
who created Theourage.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Shout Doug Allen.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He's a great podcast now too, there's Doug.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Doug's a man and so, uh he.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
Hit me up by the Blue one day He's like, man,
I got this, I got this scene. I think it'll
really be really be good and it's about a NFL
team coming to LA and you know, I think that
you will be uh really good in this.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
So I think I got cool.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
You know shit, Doug get will call you and he
said it's sing gonna be good, and it's gonna it's
gonna be good. So literally I drove up like on
a day's notice, from San Diego to LA and Doug
didn't tell me that everybody else at the table sitting
in suits, right, So I come up there and regular clothes.
If he told me like what the scene was and
the whole thing, and I would have, you know, dressed accordingly.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
So I got cool whatever.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
I got up there, and I didn't know that, like
because we didn't see Jerry Jones everybody also in that episode,
but they were all in that episode as well, and.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I didn't know what it was about.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
And the crazy story was outside of me supposed to
being like the franchise player wherever this team God is
gonna be the number one player that they're going to
draft or bring up into this trade to this LA team.
Well LA ended up getting a team like you know
what I'm saying several years later. And so just a coincident,
coincidence of something like that happening was just was just crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And I still get asked about that show to this day.
It's it's like all the time.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, Iconic Entourage kind of I feel like they predicted
a lot of stuff, The La Team, h Mediant, Narcos, Aquaman,
there was like ten movies that Vincent Chase had that
ended up being real, and then the whole La you know,
Chargers going that was all Inarage.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
It gotta go down probably top five, top ten series
of all time.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Oh, absolutely, paying TV show.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Absolutely Well, where do you have the Wire?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Being a Maryland native.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Like two? Like one or two? I think it's up there.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah, for sure I have Wire number two? Of course
you do? You love the Wire?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
All right, Sean, So we we have some trivia for you,
and you have some questions for us as well.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
We're going to see exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
How much ball we do or don't know, but we
got to see how much Music Show doesn't know. So
we got some questions for you. Uh so we're gonna
shoot our first question first. So with the first question,
this Wallet album a d m V native. This Wallet
Album debuted at number one on the Billboard two hundred,
making it the only album of his to hit number
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one on the charts. Is it a ambition? B the
album about nothing? See the Gifted or d Back to
the Future Ambition. Nah, see the Gifted.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I would have got this wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I would have said, b album about nothing, Yeah, I
would I would have said that one that felt like
the highest peak and the singles.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, that's Jerry Seinfeld on the cover. Yeah, he did.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
The mixtape Ambition was the one with Drey Seinfeld on
the end of the loop.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
No, no, no, he had the mixtape about nothing more
about Nothing and then the album Nothing and that was
all the sign pad stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
But yeah, Ambition had singles on it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I could see that. But I would have got this
wrong too.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yeah, I would have said Ambition.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
All right, it's on you. Did they give you the questions?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah? All right.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
So, so rank these quarterbacks in their career touchdowns from
most to least Eli Manning, Philip Rivers or Ben Rothlisberger?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
All right, most touchdowns, most to least, most to least, Ben,
Ben Roethlisberger. Who is it, Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
You got Philip Rivers and Eli.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Manning most to lease most touchdowns. Uh, I'm gonna go.
I feel like Phil Philip Rivers might have the most.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I'm gonna Phillip Eli Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I'm gonna still Rory's ants on that.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
So you got Philip run Ben Roethlisberger too, and Eli
Manning at three?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
All right, all right, I.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Got you have been in Eli mixed up right, Okay,
But Philip was right though, yeah, Phillips.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I feel like Ben just always had a running game
where Eli didn't. So I just assumed he had more touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
But all right, not too bad, No, not too bad.
We got we got one of them, right, all right?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Second question future, want to Grammy for Best Rap Performance
with this song?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
A like that?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
B we still don't trust you, C life is good?
Or D scientists and engineers?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I would get this wrong too, want to Grammy for
Best Rap Performance?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
What was the first one like that? And was the
second one we still don't trust you? And then life
is good? And then scientists and engineers. I'm going to
the first one like that?
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Nah, it was actually scientists and engineers.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
He just won that one, right, he just not like us,
cleaned up everything so like that couldn't even get a
couldn't get I feel like like that would have gotten
a Grammy had not like us exist.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, man, all right, so you.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
Let's go ahead.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
The Tennessee Titans quarterback is the only quarterback I have
accepted in my career. Got forties here, all right, So
we got step being there. So it's the only quarterback
I picked off, Okay from the Titans step being there,
Kerry Collins, Vince Young.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Or Jake Locker.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
I'm gonna say Vince Young.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Vince Young was spending forty thousand dollars in Applebee's, so
I know his head wasn't in the game for low.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
I'm gonna go with Vince Young for sure.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
Y'all go, you're gonna Evince.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I'm going to Vince for sure.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
Carry Carry Collins.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Damn, I would have been my second one.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
I think I'm gonna go with the least biggest name
on there, probably Jake, But yeah, Carry Collins.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
I picked off off.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
But how long was Kerry Collins even with the Titans?
Speaker 6 (43:43):
Think a couple a couple of years, just enough to
give you misussion.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Just enough to make that mistake right, all right? Last question?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Uh, This song was number one on the Billboard Hot
one hundred the week you recorded the only interception of
your career. A justin Timberlake sexy back b Fergie London
Bridges c. Narls Barkley Crazy or D Neo Sexy Love.
This song was number one on the billboards.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Ald Man, it's AOD.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I just gotta give me one pick the sexy.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Let's go D.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It's actually a justin Timberlake sexy bag record. That record
was fucking everywhere im as well.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
Yes, AOD, but yeah, yeah, that makes sense record.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
What's funny is I probably would have went with Fergie
London Bridges.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Yeah, I mean that that record, Fergie Records over here.
You got one more for Sean.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
All right, let me go. Uh.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
In two thousand and six, I tied charge tied to
charge a single season sack record, well, how many sacks?
Speaker 5 (44:52):
One?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
The first one was fourteen, second, fifteen, sixteen or seventeen.
In two thousand and six, TI to charge of single
season sack record fifteen.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
I'm gonna say sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I apologize, man, man, I should have went with the
highest numbers.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
I missed that game.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I know it was twenty one.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
See look if you said, if you said sixteen, I'm like,
all right, cool.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
But two sacks, yeah, sixteen alrights over seventeen.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Those were assisted.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
You know whatever. They assisted sacks I'm gonna go turn
that to the NFL. Like, nah, man, you said I
had this whole.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Sack as you should. Is that a real thing? Is
that shit that guys do the whole time? Yeah? That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (45:46):
The thing is though, I used to tell my tens
too when I did, I didn't do it on the side.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I respect that.
Speaker 6 (45:52):
I said, listen, your finger. My whole hand was on him,
your finger only to himself. I'm just you know, turning
it in.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
All right before we let you go.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Favorite linebacker Lawrence Taylor, ray Lewis.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
I mean, I'm out of my game after Lawrence Taylor,
but I'm going with my brother Ray for life.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Ray Lewis can't be mad that lt was a monster though,
and uh, I.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Mean not a Maryland native, but definitely adopted by the
state of Maryland.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh, absolutely, without a doubt, sew We appreciate you again.
Give us tell us about the.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
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Speaker 2 (46:56):
What would be the one athlete you want to see
in the octagon?
Speaker 5 (47:01):
James Herriston. I already called him out.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Ship already has been a word since Well, no, of
course not.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
I mean, but you know, look, I think that as
y'all y'all reaction tell me everything that why.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
I want to do it.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
I think that I think a lot of people want
to want to see it, and you know, people tuning
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Speaker 4 (47:22):
Yeah, that'd be crazy to see that.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
The fact that he quiet though, I mean saying something.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
He might be training. He might he might be in training,
he might be a.
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Speaker 4 (47:38):
Shaw Merriman a legend. Thank you my brother for joining
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Speaker 5 (47:41):
Appreciated y'all.
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
The volume.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Ali, Y, we are back with another episode of Rory
Maul Don't Know Ball because we absolutely do not know all.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
We know a little bit, We know what we need
to know.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But today we are joined by somebody that's gonna give
us more of insight on ball.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Are the violence side of it?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, the violence the physicality of the game. Today we
are joined by a legend, legend from the East Coast
University of Maryland legend. With the twelfth pick in the
two thousand and five NFL draft room, the San Diego
Chargers selected an absolute let's just call them a tank,
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fucking my fucking tank. Make some noise for the legendary
Sean Merriman and uh, happy birthday as well. How we
celebrating towards game.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I am about to be forty one, dog, you know
them days have changed a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I'm looking at doing a three day juice classes.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah. So that's my type of site, that's my type
of shit. That's what I'll be on. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
My birthday was two weeks ago and I went to
Detroit for work.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
You know when you when you get like forty and over, man,
like I think other people make more about your birthdays
than you do.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, like what you're doing for your birthday? I'm like
that my birth next week?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Oh I forgot you stopped counting after a while. Man.
It just creeps it next thing, you know, it just
creeps up on you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I turned thirty five and when my family was asking me,
all I was thinking was like, this is something I'm
going to have to pay for, So why.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Would I sell them? You want me to go do
something that I'm gonna pay for?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
All right?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Bet cool?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I think I'll do nothing for my birthday there and
save some money.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Sean. How you feeling though, Man? What's going on with you?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
All right, not much, man.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
You know we you know, we got a big fight
coming up, you know, miam.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
And May League Light Style extreme fighting.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
We got big fighting in San Diego actually back in
my stomach grounds at Casino Palma June fourteenth, man, So
just getting ready for that and then you know, making
some announcements too with Light Sized Sports TV my network.
We had some new content getting ready for this big
tailgate show this year through the NFL, the NFL parking
lots called the Ausman Fans. I always got twenty with
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like live stream twenty teams tailgates with the Hospitality one
of the best tail companies in the country.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Man.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be kind of crazy
because we got three former players.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Every team is hosted.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
So like when you talk about personalities and you're talking
about like guys just being comical and like talking football
and interacting with the fans like this. This is the
biggest thing in me to just happened really in a
pregame of sports.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So just getting ready for that. Just this grinded, just
been working.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Oh that's I mean, that's the birthday party right there.
You said forty tailgates or something.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yeah, we're doing twenty twenty locations, twenty markets, so basically
twenty teams felgates at the same time. So we'll be
like simulcasts and all of them, and it's gonna be
super dope, Like Nobe's ever done anything like this, so
you know, we'll be the first to do it on
white size sports TV.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I love that, all right, Sean, So so Rory and I, Man,
we got there. We started this show, man, because you know,
sometimes we feel like we know ball, and you know,
we come to realize that maybe we don't know. Maybe
we just couch spectators, and we feel like we could
have made that catch or made that block. It's easy
to say that, but somebody like yourself that played the
game with such a high level, we're here to kind
of dig into the nuances and and and break some
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of the stereotypes of people that sit home and say, oh,
I could have done.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That exactly Dayly is what you said.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, yes, we're not trying to be our Skip Villis,
but let's start at the beginning show. Growing up in Maryland,
you played basketball and football. What was the like, why
did you go towards football and why did football pull
you more than than basketball.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Why did you stop playing basketball?
Speaker 6 (04:28):
You know, seeing Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley and those
guys like, you know, eleven twelve years old, you're like,
football probably gonna.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Be for me.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Yeah, you know, like they was, they were so far ahead,
and we all came from the same area, Prince George County, Mellen,
you know, so getting to see.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
That what's in the water out here, it's a lot
of talent out out of PG.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Honestly, man, I'm surprised that, like no one's done a
big enough like story on this. How much talent not
even just in basketball and football too, and Vernon Davis
and you know the viral brawlman, Like it's it's crazy
how many how much talent has come out of this,
come out of the area. And you know, I would
just one up. You know, I was just one up man.
So you know what, you know what got me in
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the football I was just too aggressive basketball and in
my when I was eleven years old, my basketball coach
at the end of the season said, you know what,
I got a sport that I think this this will
worked well for you in Okay. So that's that's how
I got introduced the football field.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
So I'm assuming you were one of those that fouled
out maybe in the second quarter.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Now it was it was a middle affair, you know.
I'm made it past halftime. But you know, it's funny
you talked to any you talked to any football player.
The first thing like, oh, yeah, you know I used
to hoop in high school and college or whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I said.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
I was like, Ben Wallace, you get what I'm saying,
like rebound and defense, a lot of putbacks and free throws,
you know, but again, you need you need guys a
caught like that.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Did football come naturally to you?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
It was crazy because I never watched really watched football,
and I didn't even know what you do. And so
my coach was like when he put me out, they said, look,
whoever got that football in their hands, go hit him?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
And I said, what else?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
You know what I said, I could do that, you know,
So that's what I did.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
First first day of practice when I was a kid,
the running back came and called like a little swing.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Pass out of the silence, and I came and whacked him.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Put them under like the water under the water coolers,
you know, the water cools. The side the water coolers
fell down, and there was a big scene. And the
kid's mom, she was there. She came running on the
field and practice and was cursing me out right. And
so I go back to the huddle looking at my
coaches like I did something wrong, And my coaches whispered
(06:49):
in my ear and they was like.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Hey, do that shit again.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know everybody, that's what you do. So that's why
that's why I was home.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And then the next day seven agents were yeah, seven
agents all over the country.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
How early was it obvious that you were different in
that the league was probably in your future?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
For me, man, it was.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You know, so when I talk about Kevin Durand and
Beasley and all those guys, you could tell eleven twelve
years old normally like, Okay, these dudes are gonna go
to the NBA one day because they were everything that
they were doing in the NBA they were doing at
eleven twelve years old. For me, it was like thirteen
fourteen when I got into high school. That's when I
kind of started to separate myself where people are like, Okay,
he's gonna he's gonna this dude, gonna go to a
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D one college. So I went to Fred Douglas High
School in Upper Marlboro, Maryland, And at that point, everybody's like, Okay,
this is gonna be the first kid out of the
school to go to Division one. So I did that,
and when I got to Maryland my freshman year, it
was like, Okay, this gonna be this is gonna be
our highest drive pick.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
So it kind of like one of those things.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
As soon as I stepped on every level, h it
was always those rumblings, those talks.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, of course it's hometown, but but why Maryland
as far as I grew.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Up twenty minutes from school, and like for me, we
just talked about so much talent coming from that area. Well,
like Durant, KD went to Texas. So all the big
man guys, all the big name kids when you came
out of high.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
School, they left.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
And I was like, man, if we if we kept
all the talent here, like what if KD and Beasley
and all these guys went to Maryland, you know, And
so we had like myself, Vernone Davis and like I mean,
like Navarre or Bowman. The list, I mean, the list
is crazy, you know, Joe Hayden, you know, So we
were stacked up with so much talent, but everybody left.
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So I wanted to be like that one of the
first ones that came out as a as a top prospect.
I was the number one player coming out of the
d m V area DC Maryland Virginia area. And so
when I went to Maryland, it was like, man, this
dude had offers from Alabama, from USC from Penn State,
And for me, I was like, I'm staying home.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I want to be the first.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And I mean there's some age gap.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But are you in contact with Katie point Vernon, Davis Beasley?
Are you guys just because you guys to talk all
the time.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, never to talk all the time. And I probably
talked to KD a couple of times a year. Or
we're running to each other at you know, some events
somewhere and kind of chop it up. But we're we're
we're a tight knit group, man, Like all of us
like super tight. As far as you know, we see
each other. I don't care if it's two years. Like
we run up to each other and we talk like
(09:24):
we you know, we talk on a normal basis. Man,
we just really tight, a tight knit group.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Sean.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Growing up, how much of football? Uh, like, when did
it click for you that this is what you want
to do? And then how much how much of your
day revolved around the game of football?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Well, I mean back in PG County and Washington, DC area,
man in the in the late eighties and nineties, it
was it was bad, Like it's not like how it
looks now where you know you can go outside run
at night in certain parts in d C and jog
like it was nothing like that. He wasn't going out,
And so I knew for me to have a real
opportunity to getting out of that, football was going to be
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a big part of it, like to go get education
and go to Maryland any school I wanted to go to.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And so that's when I started to take it serious.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
But you know, I had, you know, when I was
younger because of my living circumstances, like I had angry issues.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I hated it coming home and eviction notices.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I hated it coming home and didn't know if the
house or gonna have heat or light's going to be on.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
And so football was like my outlet.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
I get those two hours and practice a day or
get those game times to go knock somebody's head off
and it was legal.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, I was like, man, I can go take my
frustration out.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
And so I knew that that was a like an
opportunity for me to get out of my circumstances. But
I had I had bigger goals too, man, just outside
of football, and I just knew that that was gonna
be the way that I was gonna get there.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Now, what was the music scene for like for you
growing up in DMV. Obviously we know some of the
DMV legends and guys that came out, but like when
Sean is in high school or you know, working out, Like,
what was some of the music that you was listening to?
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Are You Go Go? Or Baltimore Class.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Go Go and Baltimore music, both of them, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
And so I listened to Backyard junk Yard Rare Essence EU,
and I listened to a lot of Kate Swift out
of Baltimore, a lot a lot of Baltimore house music.
But that was really it all the way through. And
then I got into like my favorite, you know, rap
group of all time, Three six Mafia, And so I
started listening like three six Mafia a lot, but yeah,
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probably probably out of those. That's That's what I was
listening to in high school.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Pause. Are you able to still do the swing that
ship dance?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
I never I've never been a dancer, but you know,
watch out of the Big Girls come on or something.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I might you know, I might move a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, I mean, do you hear even like I feel
like Ouzzi and a lot of artists I feel like
adopted a lot of the Baltimore Club sound. Is that
something that surprised you because it did take a while
for Baltimore Club to bubble into the mainstream.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I feel like, now you hear that ship on Drew Records, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Now a lot of it, especially because.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Of wild A. Like Whenile came out with What Got
with Rick rosson mainstream, you start hearing a lot of it.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
You start hearing Go Going and Beyonce's music.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
You know, but Chuck Brown was it was a huge
influence on all of us, like growing up and so
just just being just being.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
There and being around it.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Man, Like the d V area is its own planet,
Like it's this own country in it's in itself, you
know where you don't you go from the DN V.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
You don't hear that anywhere.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Else your dress wise, you know, guys wearing drop socks
and tims, the lingo you all here anywhere else outside
of the d m V area. And then it was
it was so big. Then it started tricking out where
you know, you go to Chicago, you go, you go,
start going to New York and you start hearing guys
talk like they from from d C.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Does PG County identify more with Baltimore with DC?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Because I've heard.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
That a million dollar questions.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
That's the split right there, That's.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
A split because.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
The truth there is a lot of Baltimore casts and
DC cats didn't like each other.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
And so when I say Maryland, people automatically assumed that
I was from Baltimore. But I was probably thirty five
or forty minutes from Baltimore, yeah, but like ten minutes
from d C. Right, So I started actually saying that
I was d C because I didn't want to identify
as as from Baltimore because Baltimore had like this student
I joke with Mellow about this sometimes and stuff, because
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you know, had like a dirty like a dirty.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Field to Baltimore. You know, that's how you see guys
look at it then.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
So so I always I always used to say that,
you know, I was from Washington, d C. Because I
was more closer to Washington, d C. Than I was
to Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And then was it Richmond at Montgomery County? What's the
other one on the county.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, that's what that's where Wilder's from.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, and that's you would say, more identifies DC than
it does Maryland or Baltimore in particular.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, one hundred percent, like you would think while it's
from DC before he is from Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, well, I mean I'll tell too, Yeah, but love,
it's funny. The Virginia part of the d m V
conversation is always the strangest one to me because there
is like Alexandra and right there, but you still have
such a big state, Like I don't even think people
to people from Virginia Beach even claim the d m
V or Norfolk.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Is that way too far now?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah that's just way yeah, you way out there. But again,
you know, it's so hard to really talk about them
because you talk about like Fairfax, Alexandra, Alexander, you can
get from there to.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
D C at a four minutes yeah, yeah, well you know.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
But you're in Virginia.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yeah, I think you start talking about like rich Bend, Virginia.
But you know, Chris brown Up is from Virginia, Michael
Vicks from Virginia. AI is from from VA. So it's
it's again. Man, It's so crazy when you get in
that DNV area.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Did you ever play against t C Williams High School?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
No, that was I think that was the d C.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Whatever, what's the remember the Titans one? That's it?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So I watched Remember the Titans my entire life and
thought it was in like the Deep South. I found
out that shit was five minutes outside of Washington, d C.
I thought they were in some farm. They're thinking that
that was like the Deep South. The whole time. I
did not realize big foods like nah.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I thought she's like father from DC.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
So basically thought Sunshine was from Alabama.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Exactly one hundred percent. I'm like, this's some country ass
shit they was.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
They was not country. There was five minutes away from
southeast exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
All right, Sean, So you get drafted the twelfth pick
two thousand and five, You're going to San Diego playing
for the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
What is the first thought on your mind, man, that
I was.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
So I took my visits to the ben Radskins, you
know now Washington Commanders. Yeah, I went to like Dallas Cowboys,
the Lions, and I went to.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
The Chargers.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
I've never been out to the West coast before ever,
and so you know when I yeah, I wanted to
kind of stay home again, like if I got a
chance play for them Redskins, I'm like, oh, man, I
go to college, here go then I'm a knife pick
overall Like now you super hometown hometown kid, man, I would.
I took my visit San Diego. I flew over that
water for the first time, the palm trees. I said, Man, God,
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they ain't gonna bless me this way. Drafted, I said,
I said, the only way, man, I gotta do some
more charity, Gotta go to church a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I'm getting drafted out of here.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
And when I got drafted, and it was like the
best because I always I would say this to everybody, man,
like I love home. I still represent Pee, I still
got a three on one number.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
But you gotta go. You got to see other things.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
You got to get away a little bit to experience
and see other things. And when I went to San Diego, man,
it was like a dream come true because for one,
they had a good team. I was coming into a
good team. I think they went twelve and four that
year before before I got there. And now you're in
the West Coast in the best place in my in
my opinion, San Diego, the best place to live in
the country. M hm, I've heard that so beautiful. Yeah, Man,
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I went there. I was like, man, it's unbelievable. You
get a chance to be high draft picked twelfth overall,
normally you're going to.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Cleveland again, You're going to you know, you're going.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
To something that's not, you know, really a nice city
that people want to get drafted like, you know, I
like Cleveland, but it's San Diego.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's not San Diego.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
No.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Maul talks a lot on this show about athletes having
to compete with rappers in the club or you know,
when they get drafted to a city, they got to
deal with the drug dealers. What was it like competing
with Navy seals for women in San Diego, Because that's
a very unique experience to San Diego. The rest of
these athletes had to deal with Rappers in LA or
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New York or whatever you had to deal with Navy Seals.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, I'm taking Sean.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I'm taking Sean kicking a Rappers ass any other NFL players,
And I just don't know if the Seal team sixers
in the club. If I'm taking Sean Merriman over the
Seal team.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yeah, they not getting the sections and I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Man our tax dollars don't pay them enough. Yeah, but
I mean that is like a coach.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I love our military, but ain't they ain't come up
with a bottle minimum, you know, so, I think now,
which was crazy because San Diego didn't have really nobody else.
They didn't have a basketball team and the hockey team.
You know, like you said, it wasn't just the Rappers
you got. There was no other sports teams really, yeah,
you know, the Padres kind of came around. But we
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were it. And so we were the basketball team. We
were like the highlight of the entire city and so
and then too we will win it on top of that,
like we weren't scrubs, we weren't bumps, and we were
out there winning games.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And so now it's you're at the top of the
world at that point, who's.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The greatest Who is the greatest athlete you've ever.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Seen that I played against?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Or like just in general, actually both that you played
against and that you just seen.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Honestly, probably Vernon Davis that I played with as far
as like just a freakish athlete may do with two
fifty round and four to three. You just don't even
see nothing like that and crazy strong and athletic and explosive.
And I played with that Tony and Caramarti he was
he was another one. But may you get up there
to the NFL, man, you start seeing some freakish, like
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just some freakish players with that. I saw Lineen is
three hundred and fifty pounds and can win mail off
the vertical, like you just you said some silly shit
at that point. Yeah, so you see yeah, tons everywhere.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean you had ELT at that time too.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
What was that era?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like even with Philip Rivers, ELT was Antonio Gates.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Sense of the question.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Why did that team not win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
See, no, we're gonna go there, huh.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Like you guys had a squad, Yeah, on both sides.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
You know what, man, I don't really regret a whole
lot about my career, but that's one of them. Because
you know, I still talk to a lot a lot
of a lot of friends of mine of Hall of famers,
and they got super Bowl rings, and you know, the
Marshall Fox who I talked to, Michael Irv and Deon
Sanders and all these guys who was around they got
they got either jackets and rings.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Or both that things.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Sting Man because we we had that especially we were
really good between the two thousand and five and twenty ten.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
We were we were had very good teams.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
That twenty sixteen Man was in my opinion, the best
team of the decade. And I know that the Patriots
had their undefeated and stuff, and the Colts and you know,
but that team that we had, MAN was so dominant.
And you look back and we asked ourselves the question
all time.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
I was talking to Lt.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Dannie Thomason some months ago and we got together and
I was like, we bring it up, like just happened?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Like how like? Like why not?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Because we were so dominant as so many like I
played with potentially five Hall of Famous on one team.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Absolutely, you.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Yeah, when you look at it like that, it's like
there should have been no reason.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I think the main reason is.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
That we were young, and we were so good that
we always felt that we could get back there, and
so when it was things on the line, like fourth
quarters or big situations, I think that we didn't lock
in enough in some of those things, or penalties or
just something dumb that we didn't really understand the moment.
Because we were so good, we just we felt invincible, man.
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I mean, the practices used to be harder than the games,
like seeing Antonio Gates every day and then lighting it
up against whoever it is, it didn't even matter. And
so Cean lorenz O'Neil at fourth back, you got a
class with him. You ain't getting no clash out of
anybody else than that. Seeing LT We were so stacked.
But then one year we had el Ladanian Thomason start,
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Michael Turner back, Michael Turner backing him up. Who did
who killed it out there with the Fogers? When he left,
we had Darren spros Is the third string running back.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
That's how I mean. We were just ridiculously stacked.
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stayed in San Diego instead, do you think it would
have been different?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:11):
No, because look, I don't want to take shots Eli
because he was he was a damn good quarterback and
I think he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame
at some point. But that defense that they had with
Michael Irvin and and like Oca and Tuck justin Tuck, yeah,
I mean they were. It was crazy. They had so
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many guys in that defense that also contributed.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
And you need a little bit of luck, man, like
that catch it, but my boy had off.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
His help like catch that.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Yeah, it just don't even happen.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So I think that the cards fell in place with
them also too.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You know who they had to play against at the time.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
You know, the division wasn't wasn't always the greatest to
mean Dallas, you know, Cowboy were good.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Where they just were dominant in that position.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Right now, you went to San Diego. You wore number
fifty six. Obviously the legendary recipes Junior say, I war
number fifty five. How much of an impact did he
have when a young Sean Merriman coming into San Diego.
What were the conversations like with Junior?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Sayou man.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
So it's you always watched him as a as a player,
right you see.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Him running sideline and sideline.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Jumping over He just he played at a high level,
like for full quarters.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
You don't even see anything like that, just next level.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I didn't know how big Junior was until I got
to San Diego. Like he was San Diego you step
in there and you mentioned Junior Sea, You're like you're
talking about president level where he has He's just he
captivated that city and you know he had his restaurant,
he had charity events and just he was the most
loved person between him and him and Tony Gwenn to
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ever come through with the city. And so I didn't
realize how big he was. And I saw him when
I got drafted and I walked in. I was out
there and I walked in the lobby of the building.
He was coming down the stairs and we stopped. We
talked for about, you know, a couple three four minutes. Whatever,
told me good luck, and you know, he was ah
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wan to watch to see me playing some what I did.
And at the end of the conversation he said, buddy,
He's like, all right, buddy, man take these basically, you know,
do your thing this year. And so in my head,
I'm twenty years old. I'm not in twenty one.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I don't believe. In my head, I'm thinking, like, yo,
Junior say.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I just called me buddy, Like I'm I got I'm
like shit, he called me, buddy.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
We're cool, We're friends, right.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
So I go to a couple of meetings and then
I walk out of this meeting and I saw him
going down the hallway and he called everybody, buddy.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
It's deflated, especially you're not.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Especially it was his thing. He called everybody buddy.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
So I still tell that story because I was like special. Yeah,
after I was special, and you know, he called me
buddy and uh but man, he just you know, I
got a lot of workout tips from him. And even
then in his fourteen fifteen sixteen year during the off season,
he still worked like an animal, like you just he
wasn't even real, and so I any doctors he had
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as therapist, nutritionist, I got, I hired him all everybody
he went to. I hired everybody Junior had.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Oh wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, since we're on nicknames like buddy, was there a
specific moment that the nickname lights out happened?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Was it over time or was it one day that
somebody's like somebody's TV turned off?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
My my?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Uh my sophomore in high school, I knocked out four
kids in one game.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So that's that's how the name happened.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
So you can't just breathe over that ship over knocking
out four dudes and like, yeah, so I did that,
and then you know, then I went and just had
some dairy queen after the game, and it was just
like whatever, you know, Yeah, had.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Four others that I'm sure you had to deal with.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
My dude, it was it was a fiasco after that.
So I walked off the field out of that game,
and like twenty or twenty five students coming run up
to me and they said, man, you knock those kids,
you know, those kids lights out? And I said, yeah,
you know what called me lights out? And so I
go to school. I go to school and I didn't
even I just said it. I didn't even think anything
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to it. I went to school on Monday, and I
got my backpack on, I got my books in my hand.
I walked past, you know, everybody in school and they're like, yo,
what's up. Lights So it already somehow carried This is
pre social media, so they already carried hour into school.
And so I went home that day and I literally
begged my mother to let me get this lights out
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tattooed on my right form.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And so my mother was like a big smoke smoker
at the time. So I ran in the room.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
I opened the door and like smoke just went everywhere,
Like I'm trying to move smoke out of the way so
I could find her. Sit on the bed, said mar
this lights out thing gonna be big man, people who
already called me lights out. I want to get this
lights out tattoo on my on my right fourth forum.
She looked at me and took one more puff of
a cigarette and said, boy, get the hell out to row.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
She knows brand You were ahead of your time with
branding and marketing.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yeah. Yeah, so I always had that.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So anyway, you know, every day for two weeks I
bothered her, and she finally let me go get this
lights out tattoo on my on my right forearm like
two weeks later, and so I got to funny story,
I got to uh, got to Maryland and put it
on a big platform and had a big game Friday
night against Georgia Tech on ESPN. I had a big hit,
and so boom, that lights out thing came back on
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the national platform.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I get to San Diego, and now you got Lt.
Gates and Philip.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Rivers, Lorenzo O'Neil, Jamal Williams like all these, you know,
Randall Godfrey, Donie Edwards. They're looking at me. I just
turned twenty one, and we're not calling you no damn
lights out.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
You're a rook.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
We call you rook on fifty six, and so I
was like, I looked at him, like, okay, cool.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
We uh.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
We had a game against Kansas City and running back
Priest Holmes, who was one of my you know, one
of my favorite players of all time, and.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I went out and hit him and knocked him out,
and after the like when right after.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
The game, I walked over and LT put his hand out,
it was like a good game likes.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
So I got you know, I got my respect then
from all the.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Guy one one time. I mean, you put preests homes down,
that's his.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I have to backtrack though. Can you walk me through
all four knockouts your sophomore, Like, can we do play
by play one through four of each of these teenagers
being knocked the funk out?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Well, well one of them. One of them was a fullback.
One of them was a quarterback. When I was a
wide receiver to cut back, and it was a guy
on kickoff.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
We did like a.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Na Yeah, the quarterback quarterback receives what the running back
in a kick in a kick returner. So you took
away their offense and special teams in three quarters.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Yeah, this is a guy that was blocking me on
the on the on the on side kick.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
It was a lineman. It was blocked.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I was freshman year football. I remember because we had
to do weighan's every day. I was one hundred and
two pounds. If Sean Merriman knocked out the current wide
receiver and it was like get in there, Rory, and
his nickname was lights Out, I would have quit football
my freshman year.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, you got fuck that. I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
It's funny. So after that game in high school, we
talked about the parents. When I was a kid, after
the game of high school, I had one of the parents.
We used to walk up through these little gates, these
fens and walk on the basketball court in order to
get up to the to the football field. I had
a parent account. You know, basketball players play defense and
they get down their stands. They put their hands out.
Parent just blocking me from getting on the field and said,
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I don't belong to play with her son.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I need to show a birth certificated.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
And it was it was crazy after that, man, like
they're trying to get me off the field, and they
actually challenged the school.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I had to produce all these kind of records to
show that I was my age.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's crazy. I mean I'd probably be that parent too though.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
No, absolutely in high school walking on the field and
my son is five to eight, but get this fucking
tank on the field. So we just had the NFL
Draft and the news coming out of the draft this
year obviously with Sadr Sanders fall into the fifth round.
As somebody who's obviously traveled that road and and and
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played college football and had to go to the draft,
what were you thinking watching that? Did you feel like, uh,
it was a personal attack on coach Prime and his family,
or do you feel like maybe you know, as a player,
Sean Merriman looks at your doing says the kid is
not maybe as good as they think he is.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yet Yeah, I think it was a combination. I think
it was a combination of both.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
I think that that Dion, who's one of my favorite
players of all time.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
And I mean I remember doing it back when I
was a kid.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I had the head band around the neck doing the
Deon Sanders dance in the backyard when I scored. So
you know, he's one of my favorite players of all time.
He has such a strong voice. You know, everybody listened
to Prime that I think that a lot of teams
don't want to be on their scrutiny, you know. And
you know it was some pre draft stuff that was
said that like certain teams that they should do well
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or won't go to you.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I think it was a little bit.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
I think that you know, should door probably rubbed some
coaches the wrong way when those meetings, you.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Know, I think out of a part of it, and.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Also too, man, I think that you know, if you're
going to take on somebody with all this, all this
like media and attention behind them, like he better be
a bona fide star, superstar in order for you to
deal with because the NFL will deal with it if
you got some baggage of you got something with you
and they don't like certain things, but you just nimble
one of your position, they'll take a chance because they
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think there's enough upside for them to deal with whatever
they got to deal with. So I think that is
looking like, man, like you're gonna get judged by Dion
if he ain't playing. You're going to have cameras in
the locker room and media all the time on why this?
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Why that?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Because you got such a big name and prominent player
that with a strong family name, and a very opinionated,
very like blunt. So I think it was a it
was a combination of everything, man, I don't I don't
think that.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I don't think it was one thing. I think it
was everything.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
When they went down their draft or their evaluation, they
was like boom boom, boom boom, Okay, we can't do it.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I don't think that. I don't think it was one
single thing that happen.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, yeh think I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Before we get off the lights out conversation, what was
the hardest hitting running back? Not shifty, his hardest to tackle?
Who was the only one where you felt like, Okay,
I'm gonna hurt myself too trying to tackle.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
I mean the only one, the only one that ever
got me was Morige and Drew in two thousand and seven.
And you know what's funny, Like people call him small,
but you gotta think he's just shut it. Ain't nothing small, ain't.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Nothing low gravity too.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Yeah, this dude got a seven hundred pounds squad and
five hundred pounds, Like he's just ridiculous. He's strong and
he probably like two fifty, so we're not that big
of as side.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
He's just short and so two thousand and seven, we went.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Down there played him in the game, and they ran
this formation where the fullback named Greg Jones, who's also
big as hell, in like six three to sixty two
two fifty plus or two sixty running dead at me.
So I'm ready to go up against him. He just
moves a little bit over to the right, runs past me,
and Maurice Jones Drew's right behind him, all five six
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of them, and just boom, hit me right under the chin.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
And I didn't know what the hell happened.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Right like, I got up, I popped back up because
I'm like, I ain't know, nobody.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Gonna see this. Everything everyone, and so they didn't know.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
It was going to be that big, right, So I
got up and I heard the crowd saying ooh, But
I didn't really think it was ood because of me,
because I got up so fast.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I ain't really think I saw it.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Man.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
We we left jacksonvill because we lost that game. We
left Jacksonville. We got home. By the time we landed,
they had like two all too full of commercials made
on this head.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Man.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
I was like, Yeah, whoever in this editing house the
flip commercials that fast I'm like, I need to hire
They do a magnificit job, two commercials made, and.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You need your royalties for being in it.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Oh, dude, like it was, it was. It was bonkers.
It was bonkers.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
But that's probably only the only time I got I
got got.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
What about all any tight ends that that were tough?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Rob Rob Gronkrouse is probably the toughest.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
That's not you know, an Tonio Gate, I'm gonna put
up there, but he's my teammate. But after him, Rob
Gronkowski was tough, and Tony Gonzalez was tough to deal with,
and some of the bigger ones, like the guy who
was on the opposite side of Tony Tony Gonzales, people
ain't eve talking about because he was a blocking tight end,
Jason Dunn. But this dude was every bit of sixty
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seven almost ninety three hundred pounds playing tight end. Yeah,
he was hell to deal with. So but yeah, we
I seen I've seen all the best of them.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
We talked to Terrell Suggs a couple of weeks ago
and unfortunately, you know, he was his first ballot to
go into the Hall and he was denied. Coach Coach
Billichick was on a podcast and uh, you know, he said,
any any player that he had the double team every
possession is an absolute Hall of fame in his eyes. Terrell,
you know, expressed us to his disappointment and not making
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it first ballot. How important is the Hall to you?
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Though?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
It is?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
But you know, for me, my my career was cut
shortcuts of injury, right, so I know that you know,
it's a long shot for me again and if I
even have an opportunity to get in because and by
the way, man, I believe the longevity. And when I
saw Terrell Suggs not getting in, I said, man, I'm
never getting in. You get because he had such a
long and great career. But you know it used to
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be something that was a priority to me and for
a long time. But then you start looking at it,
man is I started looking at the impact, like the
impact you had on the game when you know, when
I was healthy and when I was playing for those
years and then you know, whenever somebody to talk about,
you know, anywhere between two thousand and five and two
thousand and eight or nine, and you put me up
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there with some of the greatest and not only members wise,
but just somebody is dominant was taking over games and
my name to get mentioned.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, I'm pretty cool with that.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Like to me, that's I think that's dope for to
get mentioned up up there the rest of those guys
who end up going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
But you were still talked about doing that era.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Before we get to our don't know ball trivia questions,
I do have to ask, because it's one of my
favorite shows. Ever, what was it like to shoot on
the show Entourage? I assume you got shot that one day,
but it was still a pretty pivotal scene, like you
were there with all the NFL owners, Jeremy Piven, Like,
what was that day?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Like it was it was crazy how it happened.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
So I got a I was good friends with Doug Gallen,
who created Theourage.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Shout Doug Allen.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He's a great podcast now too, there's Doug.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Doug's a man and so, uh he.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
Hit me up by the Blue one day He's like, man,
I got this, I got this scene. I think it'll
really be really be good and it's about a NFL
team coming to LA and you know, I think that
you will be uh really good in this.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
So I think I got cool.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
You know shit, Doug get will call you and he
said it's sing gonna be good, and it's gonna it's
gonna be good. So literally I drove up like on
a day's notice, from San Diego to LA and Doug
didn't tell me that everybody else at the table sitting
in suits, right, So I come up there and regular clothes.
If he told me like what the scene was and
the whole thing, and I would have, you know, dressed accordingly.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
So I got cool whatever.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
I got up there, and I didn't know that, like
because we didn't see Jerry Jones everybody also in that episode,
but they were all in that episode as well, and.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I didn't know what it was about.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
And the crazy story was outside of me supposed to
being like the franchise player wherever this team God is
gonna be the number one player that they're going to
draft or bring up into this trade to this LA team.
Well LA ended up getting a team like you know
what I'm saying several years later. And so just a coincident,
coincidence of something like that happening was just was just crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And I still get asked about that show to this day.
It's it's like all the time.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, Iconic Entourage kind of I feel like they predicted
a lot of stuff, The La Team, h Mediant, Narcos, Aquaman,
there was like ten movies that Vincent Chase had that
ended up being real, and then the whole La you know,
Chargers going that was all Inarage.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
It gotta go down probably top five, top ten series
of all time.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Oh, absolutely, paying TV show.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Absolutely Well, where do you have the Wire?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Being a Maryland native.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Like two? Like one or two? I think it's up there.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah, for sure I have Wire number two? Of course
you do? You love the Wire?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
All right, Sean, So we we have some trivia for you,
and you have some questions for us as well.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
We're going to see exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
How much ball we do or don't know, but we
got to see how much Music Show doesn't know. So
we got some questions for you. Uh so we're gonna
shoot our first question first. So with the first question,
this Wallet album a d m V native. This Wallet
Album debuted at number one on the Billboard two hundred,
making it the only album of his to hit number
(40:18):
one on the charts. Is it a ambition? B the
album about nothing? See the Gifted or d Back to
the Future Ambition. Nah, see the Gifted.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I would have got this wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I would have said, b album about nothing, Yeah, I
would I would have said that one that felt like
the highest peak and the singles.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, that's Jerry Seinfeld on the cover. Yeah, he did.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
The mixtape Ambition was the one with Drey Seinfeld on
the end of the loop.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
No, no, no, he had the mixtape about nothing more
about Nothing and then the album Nothing and that was
all the sign pad stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
But yeah, Ambition had singles on it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I could see that. But I would have got this
wrong too.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yeah, I would have said Ambition.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
All right, it's on you. Did they give you the questions?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah? All right.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
So, so rank these quarterbacks in their career touchdowns from
most to least Eli Manning, Philip Rivers or Ben Rothlisberger?
Speaker 4 (41:19):
All right, most touchdowns, most to least, most to least, Ben,
Ben Roethlisberger. Who is it, Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
You got Philip Rivers and Eli.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Manning most to lease most touchdowns. Uh, I'm gonna go.
I feel like Phil Philip Rivers might have the most.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I'm gonna Phillip Eli Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I'm gonna still Rory's ants on that.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
So you got Philip run Ben Roethlisberger too, and Eli
Manning at three?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
All right, all right, I.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Got you have been in Eli mixed up right, Okay,
But Philip was right though, yeah, Phillips.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I feel like Ben just always had a running game
where Eli didn't. So I just assumed he had more touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
But all right, not too bad, No, not too bad.
We got we got one of them, right, all right?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Second question future, want to Grammy for Best Rap Performance
with this song?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
A like that?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
B we still don't trust you, C life is good?
Or D scientists and engineers?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I would get this wrong too, want to Grammy for
Best Rap Performance?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
What was the first one like that? And was the
second one we still don't trust you? And then life
is good? And then scientists and engineers. I'm going to
the first one like that?
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Nah, it was actually scientists and engineers.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
He just won that one, right, he just not like us,
cleaned up everything so like that couldn't even get a
couldn't get I feel like like that would have gotten
a Grammy had not like us exist.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, man, all right, so you.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
Let's go ahead.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
The Tennessee Titans quarterback is the only quarterback I have
accepted in my career. Got forties here, all right, So
we got step being there. So it's the only quarterback
I picked off, Okay from the Titans step being there,
Kerry Collins, Vince Young.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Or Jake Locker.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
I'm gonna say Vince Young.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Vince Young was spending forty thousand dollars in Applebee's, so
I know his head wasn't in the game for low.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
I'm gonna go with Vince Young for sure.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
Y'all go, you're gonna Evince.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I'm going to Vince for sure.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
Carry Carry Collins.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Damn, I would have been my second one.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
I think I'm gonna go with the least biggest name
on there, probably Jake, But yeah, Carry Collins.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
I picked off off.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
But how long was Kerry Collins even with the Titans?
Speaker 6 (43:43):
Think a couple a couple of years, just enough to
give you misussion.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Just enough to make that mistake right, all right? Last question?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Uh, This song was number one on the Billboard Hot
one hundred the week you recorded the only interception of
your career. A justin Timberlake sexy back b Fergie London
Bridges c. Narls Barkley Crazy or D Neo Sexy Love.
This song was number one on the billboards.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Ald Man, it's AOD.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I just gotta give me one pick the sexy.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Let's go D.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It's actually a justin Timberlake sexy bag record. That record
was fucking everywhere im as well.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
Yes, AOD, but yeah, yeah, that makes sense record.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
What's funny is I probably would have went with Fergie
London Bridges.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Yeah, I mean that that record, Fergie Records over here.
You got one more for Sean.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
All right, let me go. Uh.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
In two thousand and six, I tied charge tied to
charge a single season sack record, well, how many sacks?
Speaker 5 (44:52):
One?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
The first one was fourteen, second, fifteen, sixteen or seventeen.
In two thousand and six, TI to charge of single
season sack record fifteen.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
I'm gonna say sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I apologize, man, man, I should have went with the
highest numbers.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
I missed that game.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I know it was twenty one.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
See look if you said, if you said sixteen, I'm like,
all right, cool.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
But two sacks, yeah, sixteen alrights over seventeen.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Those were assisted.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
You know whatever. They assisted sacks I'm gonna go turn
that to the NFL. Like, nah, man, you said I
had this whole.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Sack as you should. Is that a real thing? Is
that shit that guys do the whole time? Yeah? That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (45:46):
The thing is though, I used to tell my tens
too when I did, I didn't do it on the side.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I respect that.
Speaker 6 (45:52):
I said, listen, your finger. My whole hand was on him,
your finger only to himself. I'm just you know, turning
it in.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
All right before we let you go.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Favorite linebacker Lawrence Taylor, ray Lewis.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
I mean, I'm out of my game after Lawrence Taylor,
but I'm going with my brother Ray for life.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Ray Lewis can't be mad that lt was a monster though,
and uh, I.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Mean not a Maryland native, but definitely adopted by the
state of Maryland.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh, absolutely, without a doubt, sew We appreciate you again.
Give us tell us about the.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
Lights Out Yeah yeah, yeah, man, we got a big
fight in uh in San Diego, Juel fourteenth trained fighting
twenty four people and get their tickets.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
If you're listening in the Solci.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
Area, make sure you check that out lights outaccept dot com.
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or available on every smart TV I its android, completely free.
Got a ton of free live sports there and big
all ultimate fans on show coming out with a game
day hospitality. Man, we got we got a big tailgate
show coming up this year.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
What would be the one athlete you want to see
in the octagon?
Speaker 5 (47:01):
James Herriston. I already called him out.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Ship already has been a word since Well, no, of
course not.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
I mean, but you know, look, I think that as
y'all y'all reaction tell me everything that why.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
I want to do it.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
I think that I think a lot of people want
to want to see it, and you know, people tuning
in we're doing the lights Extreme Fighting.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Yeah, that'd be crazy to see that.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
The fact that he quiet though, I mean saying something.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
He might be training. He might he might be in training,
he might be a.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Trained lights are Extreme Fighting and Lights Out Sports TV.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Shaw Merriman a legend. Thank you my brother for joining
us today.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
Appreciated y'all.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
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