3 & Out - Reaction to Drake Maye & Patriots BIG TIME WIN vs. Justin Fields & Jets on TNF - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff three and out
podcast Fugazi Friday. Hopefully everyone is doing well, Probably not
as well as Patriot fans because they are living high
on the hog. They're nine and two, their quarterback looks sweet,
their head coach is a badass with a mustache, and

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they're rolling the Jets. On the other hand, it was like,
we need a quarterback to save us. Good luck with that.
Another disastrous season for the New York Football Jets, and
we'll dive into that game. One pet peeve of mine
that I'm seeing happening a lot that are trying to
blame owners instead of general managers for some of these trades.

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And a fugazi that we had today as well as stuck.
He stuck you. We'll basically go over most of the
NFL games, a couple college games at the end, but
pretty good slate. We got some you know, Chiefs, Broncos,
Seattle playing the Rams, Bucks, Bills, Eagles, Lions. We got
some really good games Sunday, so excited for that slate.

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the Patriots. You know it's funny. We talk a lot
about you know, successful franchises and poorly run franchises, and
we always says it starts at the top ak ownership.
I obviously ownership and the crafts, you know, I think
the players that gravitate toward them, it clearly looks like
they're gonna have a well run operation again for a while.

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I just don't think football is that complicated. When you
hire the right people and then those people hire the
right people and you make good draft selections, you win
whether you have a good owner or a bad owner. Right.
We saw the Patriots and really goes back to Belichick
when he lost Josh McDaniels. They did not have an
offensive coordinator and his drafts rafel and they fell apart.

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And then they had Gerrod Mayo, who clearly did not
know what they were doing. Now they have Mike Vrabel,
who is a fifty year old second time head coach anytime.
I'm a huge believer of learning by doing and growing
from experiences.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think most people listening or watching would agree the
better they get at something is by doing it over
and over and over. But there is no better learning
tool than when you fail at something and right or wrong.
The owner told Mike Vrabel, you're out of here, pack
up your shit and leave. And Mike Rabel was out

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of football for a year now. He was with the
Browns helping out in some you know, consultant role, working
with the offensive side, helping them out tight ends whatever
he was doing, but was not a head coach, did
not have a real job, was not some coordinator somewhere.
And I would imagine, like any normal successful person, definitely

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any ambitious person, sometimes you gotta look in the mirror,
reflect and learn you gotta change a little bit. It
doesn't mean your core philosophies have to change. It's not
like Andy Reid from Philadelphia to Kansas City said We're
just no more passing. We're gonna run it right four
to three. Defense, No more, we're gonna run three four.
But like, what things can I do better? And Andy

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Reid went from the Eagles to the Chiefs and said,
you know what, personnel, no mos, I'm out. I'm gonna
focus on coaching. The Jim Harbaugh you see these last
two years with the Chargers is a dramatically different guy
than the guy Jed York once famously fired with the
forty nine Ers. If you are a good coach. You
dramatically improve when you're fired. Hell, I've been fired twice

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and once in this business, and it changed my life
dramatically for the better because I was able to take
things in radio that I did not do well, aka
work with the sales team and value the sponsors, and
parlayed that once I got into the podcasting world to
emphasize that as a big part of my business. And

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it's paid dividends for the operation. But I would not
have known that if I hadn't been through the experience
of it not working out. And I'm watching Mike Vrabel
and I'm watching here's the other thing the Patriots have.
That's pretty awesome because anytime you get a great defensive
coach and he's a CEO defensive coach, but you always
worry when you have a lot of success, especially and

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we'll get into the quarterback here in a minute, Well
I'm gonna lose my offensive coordinator. Well, Josh McDaniels, who listen.
I wondered, like, is this thing gonna work? Did the
crafts force him on him? What he is doing with
Drake May It's working, and they're getting Trey Henderson, Trevon Henderson.
He's really coming on. Was he have five touchdowns in
the last two games, But he has five touchdowns in
the last four and a half days. I mean, he's

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explosion onto the scene. Stefan Diggs is playing out of
his mind. Obviously, the quarterback, you know, looks fantastic. No
one is ever hiring Josh McDaniels ever again to be
a head coach in the NFL. He's forty nine years old,
so you never have to worry about losing him now. Maybe,
I guess someone in college could. Doubtful though, because his
two stops in the NFL as a head coach, he

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was awful at dealing with people. And I'll say this
and I'll hammer this home till the day I die.
If you are going to be a lifetime number two,
there are certain industries where that pays a lot of money.
Wall Street, Fortune, five hundred companies, the NFL, Ask Vic, Fangio.
You're never going to be a head coach again, but
you will be paid five or six million dollars to

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be a defensive coordinator. Josh McDaniels, who was making a
ton of money before he took the Raider job. This
is a great gig He's destined to be a number two,
which is awesome because he's great at it. He excels
at that, and if you look at Belichick. One thing
the Patriots always did well was they had for the
twenty years of the dynasty, Charlie Weiss, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels.

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When did it fall apart? When Josh left and he
had no one to replace him with and he threw
Matt Patricia, who is a defensive coordinator and Ohio State
fans would say, a damn good one, but he can't
coach offense. And it was a debacle. So the Patriots
their organizational philosophy in a weird way. Now, Drake may

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is different than Brady. Obviously, Brady's the greatest quarterback of
all time. But at twenty three, twenty four years old,
Tom Brady was a six round pick. Then most people said,
is this thing really gonna work? Even after he won
the Super Bowls, like he's really gonna be able to
just stay as your starting quarterback? People forget, but I
was probably fifteen sixteen when he really broke onto the scene.

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People thought, like, what's he actually doing? Being carried by
the defensive guy. Then by the middle of the decade
and toward the end he became a star and MVP.
But Drake May was a player that not only the
Patriots refused to trade. The Giants Historic you know, it's
well documented, desperately tried to trade for him. Offered a ton,

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they were told no. The Minnesota Viking same thing, they
were told no. So other teams valued this guy very,
very highly. And I was a little skeptical last year
just because we've seen this guys with trades. But it's
not that complicated. Going back to Brady, it's about infrastructure.
It's about the culture. I mean, I'm watching Diggs play

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his ever loving ass off. You know, I would say
most people areut in the NFL be like Digs like that.
I've been a lot of people that might have been interested,
Like I think we'll pass on that situation, especially coming
off in ACL he looks fantastic. Kirkharvestreet said something again
that parallels the twenty year dynasty of the Patriots perfectly.

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They have eight guys that play on defense, some starters
and other rotational guys who have been cut once upon
a time in their career. Eight different players I mean,
how many guys do you play on defense? Twelve to fourteen, right,
rotate in some defensive linemen, a couple you know, nickel
dime packages that you might change defensive backs. Maybe it's

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more like fifteen sixteen guys. And that is classic Bill
Belichick get guys that are undervalued other places. That was
Mike Rabel, Remember, like he was a guy who was
cut on and off early in his career, was on
the like Steelers practice squad. Was a guy that was
undervalued around the league. And that's what you can take
advantage of when you won this ownership, when they believe

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in the guy forever. With Belichick and now with Rabel,
they are extremely supportive. They're a great operation in terms
of player friendly, a place players want to be. They
obviously have the quarterback, and then it comes to building
the team. Vrabel won with the Titans, I would say
a clown operation. Like before Vrabel, they were a joke

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and since Frabel they're even a bigger embarrassment. So maybe
looking back, the success was much more on Mike Frabele. Right,
he was winning a lot of games with Ryan Tannil.
I think we all agree this guy playing for the
Patriots has a chance to be uh ten x Ryan Tannil.
I mean, he has a chance. We don't need to

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be naive here to be one of the best players
in the league. Long way to go. That's the Jets.
But still, and I just see a lot of similarities.
And you know whose hal's to be terrified is the
Jets are not well run. Miami is not well run.
Well what happened all those years with Belichick and Brady
they beat the living piss out of them. Now, at
the time, the Bills weren't either. They took advantage of

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that as well. They're well run now, though flawed for
a good team. And I can imagine if you're Sean McDermott,
if you're Brandon Bean and you're the Pagulas watching that
game the night, you go, holy shit, they really figured
it out that they took a couple of years off
and now they're just right back. I mean, they're nine
and two. If you look at their schedule, they feel

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destined for thirteen and four, and even if the Bills
split that game and let's say win the game in
New England, I think if you look at the Bills
schedule and the way they're playing, there is no guarantee
that they are going to just like win all the
other games. I would be a little surprise sitting at
this point, given how consistent the Patriots are and really

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how easy their schedule is, if they do not win
this division. And this gets back to the Belichick thing.
Anytime you have such good coaching and such good culture,
you're a major major threat in these games come January,
even if your team like they are going to be
dramatically better in like two years, assuming Drake May stays

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healthy and continues on the trajectory that he is clearly on,
which is pointing straight at the sky. And if I'm
a Patriot fan, I would sit back in my chair tonight,
having a cocktail, having a zone with a massive smile
on my face. I'd be like, is this really happening?
Because it got really bleaked there for a couple of years,
I mean really really bleak. It was really kind of embarrassing.

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I mean the way it ended with Belichick, even before
they fired him. On the field, just how bad they
were offensively, and then everything last year was just kind
of a consistent laughingstock around the NFL. And then he
comes in and he immediately flips it. But this is
also not one of those where he's like learning on
the fly, Like he is very comfortable in his own skin.

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He's already done this. And this gets back to the
experience thing. He was able to spend a year looking
in the mirror and listen, I'm not saying that the Titans,
you know, obviously screwed it up, but he's way better
off that he got fired. Like a lot of people listening,
anyone that's ever had a bad experience with a job,
whether you've been laid off, whether you've been fired, if

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you figured it out and you look back a couple
of years, you're like, thank God for that experience. That
actually made me much more valuable where I am now.
And the difference is of Rabel and Belichick. Belichick came
up in a different era, right in an era where
there was it was a dictatorship. Whatever the coach said
went and all players fell in line. Well, society's a

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little bit different, and especially the generation of player and
guy you're surrounded with is a little bit different. I mean, hell,
a lot of guys you're coaching now that are rookies
were making huge money in college, like Trevon Henderson split
carries last year with another NFL guy, Judkins for the Browns.
What do you think those two combined income was last

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year one point eight million dollars two million dollars. I
mean they were both making huge coin. So it's not like, well,
they're just how are they going? That was a huge
scouting thing when I was in the league. It's like,
how are they going to react to money? You don't
even need to ask that question. It's it's on display
in school. So, yeah, he drives a range Rover. Huh,
he's uh, he's writing a seven thousand dollars a month pad.

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I mean, dude swimming in cash. So I just think
the Patriots their infrastructure, they've completely flipped it overnight because
of the right hire. And he has resurrected this. Listen,
you talk about a guy that's zoned in what I
witnessed tonight of Drake May. I'll be honest, I was
blown away. Obviously. If you've watched him play this year,

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and any Patriot fan and any one if you're listening
to this, your team has played him, or you have
fantasy or gambled on him playing his deep ball all year,
has been remarkable. I think he is the best deep
ball completion percentage in the NFL. It was on full
display tonight. I mean even some of the balls that
a guy made a PBu on. He's hitting guys in
the hand. But to me, what I was blown away

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by was the touch on all the intermediate throws. He
clearly has a strong arm. But you watch Fields, I
think sometimes when you have in Herbstreet mentioned this tonight,
like Fields has all the tools. Listen, I love Fields
coming out. I'm not trying to act like Monday Morning quarterback.
I always thought the guy was going to be I
would have taken Fields number two in that draft. If

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I was the Jets, I would have gone once Trevor
Lawrence went one, I would have taken Fields number two.
Now it turns out the rest of them, well, Mac
Jones kind of resurrecting his career. Fields has some limitations,
but physical tools arm strength great, but having a powerful arm,
you gotta be able to lay your throws. And I
actually think Drake may takes a lot off throws and

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makes it incredibly easy for his wide receivers to catch
the ball. And every one of his passes, there was
one that floated on him a little bit. Mac Hollins,
I think made a great catch, like extended in the air.
But he is hitting these guys directly in their hands
like they are painting the picture with their two hands,
like they're top by wide receiver coaches going back to
high school, and he's just pempering them. I'm like, if

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this guy's gonna be accurate, like he's Drew Brees or
Steve Young, they are going to be unstoppable. Now you'd
be like John, they're playing the Jets. I get it,
Like it's not even necessarily about the opponent. I'm judging
this guy a little bit tonight like I would a
college prospect. And my takeaway is, I feel like his
accuracy is elite. And if his accuracy is going to
be elite when he's six foot four and a half

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two hundred and twenty five two hundred and thirty pounds,
moves really well, throws an awesome deep ball, and clearly
has a strong arm, how's he not going to be
a consistent, like high end, top five quarterback for most
of his career If this is his talent and this's
going back to Josh and the infrastructure and the Patriots.

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They deserve a lot of credit because we have seen
a lot of talented young quarterbacks in recent memory not
only fail but look completely terrible early in their career
and within a year. Now, I know Drake Mayn a
lot of people say, wow, he showed a lot of
this last year. So many games, you guys are down
twenty to nothing, twenty five to nothing, twenty five to seven.

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It's hard to even judge, like none of it mattered
in these games. Now they're playing for the division. I mean, hell,
they're competing for the number one overall seat. That's what's crazy.
They are competing for the number one overall seed. I'm
guilty of this too. It's like, hey, they're they're battling
the Bills for the AFS East. Yeah, they're also battling
the Colts and the Broncos for the fucking one seed.

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If the Patriots get the number one seed this year,
I don't care how easy their schedule is, that would
be just I mean, one of the more incredible achievements
in recent memory, just given how bad they have been
and how quick they flipped it, and obviously the coaching,
but this quarterback. Anytime you take a guy really high. Right,
your expectations are for them to be a high end,

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Pro Bowl level guy. That is the expectation when you
draft a guy high, fair or not. Right. I was
watching Solomon Thomas, who's just a great guy and he's
gonna have a long career, and you know he's with
the Cowboys now, and he was talking about the tragedy
last week, and he's just any GM or team would
want him as a rotational guy on their team, and

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he's gonna have a ten to twelve year career. The
problem was he was drafted number three overall, so it's like,
he's not like a bust, but you love to draft
that guy in the third round. You get a lot
of that's like, look at this guy, look at his career.
But when you draft a guy in the top five
in the top ten, your expectations are not just for
them to be a franchise player, but for them to

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be like a great player at that position relative to
the rest of the NFL. And I'm watching Drake made
a Night and I'm not trying to overreact to one
game and really just his second his breakout season, but
his physical attributes, you go, why couldn't he just be
in the mix with all the other top cats like Mahomes,
like Lamar, like Josh Allen, like Joe Burrow, like Justin Herbert.

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And one thing he has in common with I would
say Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen is their
experience in college was not easy. I was googling it
during the game. Lamar Jackson in college was going like
nine to four and eight and five. You know why
he wasn't playing at Ohio State, He wasn't playing at Alabama,

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he wasn't playing at Oregon. He played at Louisville. Not
they were good on offense, but relative acc they were
going like four and four in the A SEC. You
know why his teams weren't as talented as a lot
of his opponents, or they were like at anything equal
like that. He was not on some squad that is like, uh,
Georgia or you know some of these colleges, like what

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Texas and Georgia is gonna look like? Those teams are loaded.
That's what was Patrick Mahomes thing of Texas Tech. He
had to figure out ways to give his team a chance.
Josh Allen played at Wyoming, you know, and I think
that really served those guys well coming to the pros
because in the NFL, you're it's not lopsided. You have
to figure out ways to win. Helle even Patrick Mahomes

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on some of these Chiefs teams, he has to figure
out ways. And it's like you come, you know, to
at Alabama. You know, he had a pretty good, pretty
good thing going. You know, it's like do I give
it to Josh Jacob, Do I throw it to Judy?
Do I throw it to Rugs? How about uh some
of the other guys, Like you know, it's like, oh, well,
pump the brakes because it's not this season. And I

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just think that Drake may coming from North Carolina where
they were never the most talented team in their conference,
where they were never a team that was going to
threaten to, you know, win a national championship. They were
a team that wasn't going to run the table. They
were a team that wasn't going to out talent all
their opponents. That serves you well, and it really showed
because I was blown away tonight by how calm he looks. Right,

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And that's the other thing I always value, Like I
have no problem you know with guys that scramble around
to throw. But when you scramble around to throw, what
do you look like when you do it? It's one
of my criticisms. Like when you watch kleb and it's
his best trait is he like runs around to make
a play, but sometimes he runs. It's like kind of crazy.

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And I think if he's going to become a really
good player, he's got to become a little more under
control because it's just easier to like, you can't always
throw superseds when a guy is twenty feet away from
me and you just need a lobbit two were you're
watching Drake made a night scramble. It's like, look how
light he is on his feet. He's not just sprinting
to the sideline. He's just kind of slowly working his

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way out of the pocket, keeping his head down to
then deliver a strike that typically resulted in a first down.
So listen, Patriots, I don't know how you did it.
You went from Belichick and Brady to Mike Vrabel who's
fifty years old, Drake May who's twenty three years old,
and Josh McDaniel is your offensive coordinator who is unhirable

(21:32):
as a head coach. Who's forty nine years old and
has been on record many times that he loves New England,
his family loves New England, and he might just stay
there the rest of his career. So the infrastructure you
have right now doesn't get much better, and some of
your young players that are really coming on, I would
I mean, if you talk if the Patriots were a

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stock for the next five years, you could allocate a
lot of your four h one k on them, because
I think we all have to acknowledge their upside is
really really high, and they also benefit and this is
what Belichick and Brady benefited from a very very dysfunctional division.

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hear all off season and the rest of this season
and then all next season. If they don't do it,
going into the next draft, the Justice need to draft
a quarterback. The Justice need to draft a quarterback. He
could save the day. A quarterback can save the day.
That's not how it works. If Drake May didn't get
Josh McDaniels, Mike Vrabel and the infrastructure that they brought,

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does Drake May look like himself? Probably not. Sam Donald.
I added it up over the last two years since
he got with Kevin O'Connell and then this year with
Kubiak McDonald and the Seattle Seahawks is twenty one and
five and during those twenty one victories, he's thrown fifty
two touchdowns. Yet when Sam Donald was with the Jets

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and then the Panthers, he was a laughing stock. And
structure and infrastructure matters so much at quarterback. The Jets
literally drafted Sam Dorman like they had him. They drafted
him three overall. They were right, like they were on
the right guy. Their problem was they never have the

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structure around a guy really going back since Sanchez when
they drafted him number five overall, and he's clearly not
as talented as Sam Darnold or Drake May. But what
did they have. They had a good defense, they had
a good offensive line, they had a good running game,
and he could just ease into his career. Now because
of his talent limitations, it hindered his long term growth

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and he became ultimately what he was probably destined to
become a backup quarterback. But he had early success because
they were equipped to handle him. And so many teams
all we gotta do is draft a quarterback. Ask the
Titans how that's going with Cam mooredon because every single
week I know this, when I see the Titans playing
a decent opponent, I hammer the opponent from a gambling
perspective because they have no shot, because they have no infant.

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They're an embarrassment, and I think, you go, look at
Mac Jones is a great example. Mac Jones' first year
with New England. They had Josh McDaniels, Bill Belichick and
they made the playoffs. Another team ultimately wasn't that good
and they got boat raced in the first round by
the Bills, but they went ten and seven, and he
had a solid foundation and building block rookie season. Then

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what happened. Josh went to the Raiders and they put
Patricia in the job, and his entire career fell apart.
And three years later, I'm as guilty as anybody. We
weren't just making fun of Mac Jones. And this guy's
a terrible player. This guy should probably be in like
the UFL, shouldn't be in the NFL. And then I
see him with Kyle Shanahan in an offensive structure, philosophical belief.

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As an organization, Mac Jones just rattling off wins. He's
thrown for like seven hundred yards in two games against
the Los Angeles Rams, a team that no one would
be surprised if they're in the Super Bowl. If I
put Mac Jones on this Jets team, how do you
think it looks now? Listen, the Jets are a good
example justin fields. He is not a pocket quarterback and

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they are asking him to play essentially, He's like he's
Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert or May. That's not his strength.
Herbstreet said it tonight on a man coverage play where
he just takes off and he ran for ten to
fifteen yards and got some an easy first down. Her
Street's like that's their best play. Why didn't they implement

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if they're gonna give this guy forty million dollars some
hybrid version of the original offense that the Ravens ran
for Lamar Jackson to really emphasize his strengths, which is
his elite athleticism and his speed, and obviously he's got
a good arm and throws a great deep ball. But

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in terms of quick game running, a normal traditional offense
is gonna be a struggle for the guy. And it
pains me to say that I love the player at
Ohio State, I was wrong, but the Jets are doing
him zero favors. So in what world, just because they
have seventy five first round picks, do I believe that
this front office and this head coach, Aaron Glenn, what

(27:55):
he did with the Lions was awesome. Seems like an
awesome guy and a great defensive But when he got
hired for the Jets, he does what a lot of
these guys do. He goes, I want to become a
head coach. Well, you got the job because of your
dominance as a coordinator. Mike McDonald when he got hired
from the Ravens, he didn't go you know, what guys,

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I'm gonna prove I'm a CEO, he said. Listen, I'm
the head coach. That's my role, right. I run the
team meetings. I tell the coaches what to do. But
they hired me because I'm an elite defensive coordinator. So
you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna call the defense.
So now I'm watching the Jets defense, which clearly, I
mean wasn't even good before they traded the guys. But

(28:39):
the strike to Aaron Glenn, he gives that to someone else,
and clearly as a defensive coordinator, And I would say
this about anything. They know nothing about offense. They have
nothing to do with the offense. They have nothing to
do with the offensive personnel. And like he's the head coach,
so he's like, hey, I was just hire an offensive
coordinator and that guy gets to do whatever he wants
and just run a normal offense. That's a terrible fucking idea.
If you're gonna hire Justin Fields to be your quarterback

(29:00):
and you're watching, You're going, what is going on? And
it's like they pound the table. We gotta have a
Donnie Mitchell, right, who listen, I'm guilty on that one too.
I like that pick pick forty five a couple of
years ago by the Colts. The Colts were like, yeah,
we'll just we'll have Donnie Mitchell drop off those two
first round picks. It's like, well, they're not tangible assets. Yeah,
we'll just He'll just bring them with him to the

(29:21):
airport and you guys can just keep them. So, yeah,
you really want them take him. I started texting around
like he was off draft boards, and I had a
buddy tell me, it's like, you know, there's some similarities
there with Brian Thomas Junior, who's a better player. But
look at Brian Thomas Junior this year kind of falling apart.
A lot of people had questions with some of these guys,
but you go to one of their pro days, and

(29:42):
Donnie Mitchell is a classic example. You go to a
pro day, you go to workout, you go, holy shit,
this guy looks like an Olympian. But we're not playing
Olympics on Sunday. We're playing football. And just because you
can run faster than every player on the field, if
you can't catch the ball, I don't care if you're
o by seventy five yards, it doesn't matter. I mean

(30:03):
fields hit him in stride on a deep go route
and before you see the replay, think want to play
by that dB. That's a fantastic PBu. And then they
show the slow motion replay and what happens goes right
through his hand. So I just think the Jets have
no clue what they're doing. And you can tell me
they're gonna draft Ty Simpson, Fernando Mendoza, you picked the quarterback,

(30:27):
picked the young quarterback in two years. I will bet
against that guy. I simply will. And I think we
saw two organizations going in opposite directions tonight. I don't
care if the Jets have twenty first round picks. I
mean they had a draft a couple of years ago
where they took Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, and Breese Hall
in the top like the thirty five picks. They were

(30:49):
shitty that entire time. So just because you draft good players,
it doesn't mean you're gonna win if you have absolutely
no clue when it comes to the quarterback. A couple
more things. One thing that's really starting to bother me.
He is and I've seen this a lot with the
Luca Nico Harrison thing is like, doesn't the owner deserve

(31:10):
a lot of the blame here? He ultimately okayed it,
And it's hard I'm gonna parallel this to football, but
like it was the assuming, Like, listen, I got a
little conspiracy theorists on this, if you want to tell
me and convince me. And I kind of believe it
that Adam Silver in the NBA. But let's just believe
that there was no shady business and it was just

(31:30):
the Mavericks traded Luka Doncics to the Lakers. It was
the GM's idea. It's not like the owner walked into
his office like, hey man, you think we trade Luca
And he's like, yeah, let me call around. See No,
he goes to the owner. And I've seen so many
people like the owner deserve blame. Like when the GM
has an idea, obviously on any sizeable transaction, the owner

(31:55):
is gonna know. You're gonna call them if they're not
in the office, you're gonna text them. You were gonna
tell them your idea. But oh yeah, go ahead. I
saw that Carly ursa you know Gucci owner who's on
the headsets, gave some quotes that like I Chris asked me,
and I said, hey, if you want to go for it,
go for it. I'm giving you the thumbs up. If

(32:16):
Sas Gardner is a disaster for the Colts, let's just
let's just say in like three or four years, we
look back and it's it was a trade they would
like to they regret. The owner bears no responsibility to that.
It was the GM's idea, right, it was the GM's
idea to pull the trigger on that trade. He goes

(32:37):
to the owner says, hey, I'm thinking about doing this,
are you cool with it? I don't blame the owner
if the general manager goes, hey, that's the thing with
the Cowboys. They just made some trades, right that Jerry
also is the GM. But any of these gms, like
when how he they trade for Jalen Phillips. Obviously, I'm
sure he's like, hey, Jeffrey, we're gonna pull a third
round pick, and Jeffer's like, do it. That's how he's idea.

(32:59):
So if Jalenn phil blows up in their face like
just because Jeffrey gave him the go ahead, like, that's
on the general manager. That's part of the gig. I mean, look,
we saw we had a front row seat to that
Hard Knocks with Joe Shane and the Giants when it
came to these maneuvers, right, and the owner's like, hey, man,
I don't know about that, and he's like I believe

(33:20):
in this. He's like okay, Like that's typically how it goes.
The gms are this is their job, right, No different
than like when a play is called. When these plays
were happening on Monday Night Football and everyone's shitting on
Matt Lafleur, it's like, that's his idea, these are his plays.
He's the one calling them like he bears the responsibility.
So yeah, it's like in a perfect world, some of

(33:43):
these owners should be like, I don't think we should
do that. But that's not typically what most of these
guys or now gals are doing. That's the the GM's
coming to them with these ideas because that's what they do.
Twenty four seven three sixty five. Evaluate all the players
do different scenarios. These are the different ideas, throw different things,
and a lot of ideas that that they don't even

(34:04):
need to go to them because they get shot down
before they're even an opportunity. But if I hear one
more time, it's like the owner deserves blame. It's like,
I don't know, if you create the idea and it's
you're the one pushing for it. To me, you deserve
even if it's like not your decision to make because
you don't own the team. Most of these owners are like, good,

(34:24):
go ahead. The Deshaun Watson situation is a little unique
because the owner is two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed contract.
But a lot of these quote unquote trades in sports
like I'm sorry the general manager, and they'd be the
first to tell you like they deserve to bear good
or bad, the responsibility of the trade. I'll get you

(34:45):
out of here on this Fugazi Friday. My wife some
of her friends have done this, really wanted to go to. Essentially,
it's it's not necessarily I think it's like a high
end ultrasound to get pictures of the baby, right, but

(35:06):
like good, like they can zoom in. It's high end equipment.
It costs a couple hundred bucks, and you see the
face of the baby and you get like, you know,
we're a couple of months away, and get a feel
for what the baby looks like now. I'm a believer,
not hating her honor for this. I know a lot
of people that have done this, but like, listen, whatever,
the baby's gonna look like the baby, Thank God, so

(35:27):
far everything's healthy. The baby's gonna look like that's God's
flan out of our control. It would not be something
that I would have made an effort to do, but
she really wanted to do it. Support I'll get in
the car, I'll drive, you know, thirty five minutes to
Phoenix and we'll go see this thing. So we get
there and we just walk right in and we sit
down and she's doing the thing, and the baby's covering

(35:50):
the face or his face with his hands. I'm like,
or what are we able to do? She's like, well,
you know, you can get up, try moving around. We'll
start playing music. I start dream in his name, hoping
he would move around. And we sat there for like
twenty five minutes, and the baby never bunched, and you
couldn't take a picture because the baby's covering its face.

(36:11):
And then toward the end it was kind of you know,
she's getting frustrated. It that kind of sucks, and I
go of all the people to come in and I'm like,
you have a lot of people to come in. Yeah,
we have a ton every day. I'm like, what out
of ten, let's just pick a number ten. How many
typically do you get a good photo of the baby?
She's like, oh, maybe one. I'm like, so you're telling

(36:33):
me about ten percent of the time this works out
because usually the baby, I mean, there's not much space
in there, it's covered itself. You can't see shit. I'm like,
shouldn't that be part of the average? And then we
started texting around like happen to other people? It happened
to her brother. I'm like, shouldn't that be part of
the advertisement? Like, hey, you can spend a couple hundred bucks,
but the likelihood is you're not gonna see anything different

(36:54):
than you've already seen. I'm like, I probably would have
liked to know that, to know, like this is probably unnecessary,
but hey, you know, good gig if you can get it.
But when she's like, yeah, maybe two and ten on
a good day, but yeah, typically one out of every ten,
I would have liked to know that before we just
drove here through traffic to just be kind of devastated,

(37:16):
but yeah, that whatever that business is talk about a fugazi.
I'd recommend do not You do not need to do that,
Just just wait because more than likely you just want
to have a good angle. Okay, back at it again.

(37:43):
It's been a rough, rough, little stretch for your boy. Here, Stucky.
You can find my main man, Stucky Action Network, Big
Bets on campus. Yeah, college basketball in full swing, college
football coming down the home stretch. I don't even know
what week it is for the NFL, but we're headed
in the fun time November December. It's when you start
turning on the TV and you see, you know, I

(38:05):
can't relate to eighty degrees where I'm at, but watching
Wisconsin play Washington, I'm like, that looks so cold. And
then the next day watching the Bears game, I'm like, no,
I can't do but it makes it's it's football weather.
So stuck you what is happening?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
What's going on? Yeah? I was had a good run
up until last Sunday. I had a bad Sunday, just
a couple of bad calls, but that don't happen. It's
on to week eleven. Crazy that we're already at week
eleven more some more like at least we have Lions
Eagles on Sunday Night. But the other primetime games in

(38:45):
Island games like wean we got we're recording this on Thursday.
We have Jets Pats tonight, we have Commander's Dolphins in Madrid,
and and Cowboys Greaters on Monday Night.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
And that's terrible.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, that's awful. We haven't had a really compelling, exciting
primetime game since like mid October, like Steelers Bengals. It's
been that long. I like it's been it's been bad,
and like I felt overall that the NFL this year
has been like the most boring it's ever been for me.
And a lot of that is there's a lot of

(39:28):
bad teams, a lot of bad teams in the NFL,
and like right now there's fourteen I think there's fourteen teams.
There's fourteen teams to make the playoffs. Theres fourteen teams
that are like minus three hundred or more or better
to make the playoffs, which just shows you that like
there's a lot of and this is only a week eleven,
there's a lot of dregs in the league, and the

(39:48):
NFL is like now can it's I'm gonna watch every
NFL game. I mean, but they have me. But when
you have when they're when they're like slowly taking over
so many different time slots, right, and they're just trying
to I mean, we're not even at that holiday weeks
when they'll be playing on Wednesdays and Fridays. But when

(40:10):
they take over so many time slots and the games
aren't compelling because there's so many bad teams, it kind
of wears on you and it kind of loses its
luster a little bit, and then it takes away from
like the late slates on a Sunday, right, you don't
have as many games, and then you're more at risk
of just having three blowouts like we did last Sunday.

(40:31):
So yeah, we've kind of hit the dog days of
the season. But this weekend at least we have a
couple of really compelling games. But yeah, without betting, it
would be way less interesting of a season. And I'm
excited for the playoffs, in particular the NFC playoffs, which
I think can be We're going to be really exciting

(40:52):
this year.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Well, I want to piggyback at that point, because let's
look at the Monday night game. The Green Bay team
has three of their loss I guess they're three losses,
right they they scored thirteen points, seven points, and like
ten points, so they're not an entertaining team to watch
of I don't need forty points.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
But they can't. Might be the most boring team.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
And then they lead the league in three and outs.
I didn't know that till Akman and Buck said that.
I was like Jesus, I the more and more I
hear aj, I go, I kind of side with the guy.
I mean, well, he's not. It's not just like Antonio
brown craziness. Every time he speaks. It's like he is
kind of just saying factual statements here, like take me
off my fantasy team, our offense is broken, we have strengths,

(41:36):
we don't use them. It's like, well, he's not wrong.
He's not saying like he's not at least publicly calling
out Jalen or the coach. He's just saying the facts.
And then you look at Denver, who in theory is
a dominant, you know, one of the best defenses in
recent memory. The bo Knicks is unwatchable, right the forty
nine ers, who or the Bears? One of those two
teams gonna make the playoffs. And the Bears can look

(41:58):
horrendous in these games. The Niners are playing me and
you on defense, so it's like, yeah, part of the
problem is of the fourteen teams, the Chiefs, I mean,
they're gonna end up with ten or eleven wins, and
they're just kind of a weird version of themselves this year.
So it's it's just a little off kilter. That's why
it's like all the Bills, they should this is their year,
and then you watch them play the Dolphins get fucking

(42:19):
curb stopped. It's like, is that is Chauncey Billups coaching them?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah? I mean then you have in the.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
What the hell was? What the hell was that? I
loved him nine and a half because I was like, Okay,
they can take that momentum, and you honestly knew right away,
especially when it was raining. You're like, they're not gonna
come storming back and win this game like forty to
twenty five. That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, It's one of those weird games at Miami where
like they were just hung over from the big win
and we're just flat and they were in a day's
humid I don't know if they were out in Miami.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Who knows, but the interception Josh throu It's like, bro,
he wasn't even looking at you.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Do you fumble on a quarterback sneak? It was just
a loppy, sloppy all around game. I mean, the one
seed in the AFC is the Colts, and like they
got Daniel Jones at quarterback, who over the past couple
of weeks has reverted to some old bad habits.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Uh with they easily they easily could have lost if
the kickoff rule wasn't changed to give him an advantage.
I mean, they're they're probably losing that game. I remember
I was actually on Twitter right when when Sauce flipped
and you were like he got cooked. It's like, God,
that was not a great look. If anyone you you
trade for him to match up against guys like Drake
London can't cover him? Who can you cover?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I mean drop the pick?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, drop Like Jones had a pick, three fumbles, was
sacked six times, and he's he's starting to look like
old Daniel Jones under pressure, which is worrisome going in
to the playoffs. But yeah, there's going back to the

(44:00):
Eagles and Packers points. The Packers have a super Bowl
caliber defense and I don't think there's any doubt in that.
And I mean, like you mentioned the games that they lost.
They have three losses where they didn't give up more
than sixteen points.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, the sixteen points for the Panthers, ten points for
the Eagles, and thirteen points for the Browns. They lost
all those games.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, they I mean, they can get pressure, their their
coverage on the back end has been excellent. They don't
really have any weaknesses on defense.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Now.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
That's what was so intriguing to me about the Packers
adding Parsons with half another year in Halfley system, that
this defense could be top five caliber to match an
offense which I thought was gonna be top five caliber.
But it's it's simply not right now. And their injuries
haven't helped. Right. They have a lot of injuries. A

(44:51):
wide receiver. Losing Tucker Kraft was killer, and they have
to figure out he was the safety blanket, the red
zone guy, the third down guy. They have to figure
out life after him. They also just lost their center
Alton Jenkins, who went on ir So the injuries are
starting to mount out. But there they get too conservative
at times and like they were. It's almost and it

(45:14):
was a bit like you mentioned, it was a huge
game for the Floor, and I thought it was a
really bad game from la Floor. Well in the sense
that I mean they had a four, they had a
they probably would have won, maybe would have won the
game if they completed along past the Watson and I
think the game was seven seven, ten to seven at

(45:37):
the time or three to three something like that. They
completed along past the Watson in the red zone, but
there was an illegal formation one of the tackles, Darien Canard,
who went to Kentucky. He came in and like didn't
report and like.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
It was the It was the play action play where
they hit him kind of coming across the middle and then.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
They ended up a defining on that. Then you had
a fourth and one where they called the false start
on the pushbush and then had a pint which is
ironic against the Eagles, which apparently they can't see false
starts on this play. I don't understand how they can
when everyone else can see it. But then you had
the fourth and one at the end of the game,
and like the second to last drive, the Eagles are

(46:20):
calling out the play and like you're running an inside
zone with your center just got hurt and the Eagles
blew it up.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And then they had an illegal formation on that play too,
So even if they would have got it, they would
have gone back five yards legal two illegal formations on
two massive plays which the play action won to Watson.
That is clearly like a high end Shanahan McVeigh lafloor.
They work on that play, they scheme it up, they
have it in a perfect spot and the players fuck

(46:50):
it up. Like I'm sorry, that is on the coach. Yeah,
Like everyone has to know what they're doing to line up.
It's one thing if you trip and fall running a
route to not line up or report it's like, that's embarrassing. Yeah,
that was That was the first moment where I went, oh,
he's in trouble.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, and then he tried like trying a sixty four
yard or outdoors with I mean, I know you're not
gonna get a hail Mary, although you're you're like that
that's the king of hail Mary's Kareem bay No Love
doesn't throw out like Rogers, but like you mcmanness, who's
been horrendous all year, who's like has a bum leg

(47:26):
I don't know why they didn't try They have another
kicker on their roster, Habitchak or whatever his name is,
who's hit a sixty two yard I don't know why
they didn't try him out there, but he's not making
that from sixty four. So I thought that was a
bizarre decision. I mean, you're you're stuck between a rock
and a hard place. But I'm a big before guy
or what's coming in the air, but that was It's
been a rough stretch, so yeah, they have to figure

(47:46):
out their offense now this week against the Giants, you
can just like turn around and hand it off to
Jacobs a bunch because the Giants can't defend the run.
But yeah, a couple of weeks, like they go to
Detroit and that was a big swing game for them
in the NFC playoffs stand and like you don't want
getting the buy in the NFC is gonna be so important,
Like you could be matched up with the Rams, or

(48:09):
you could you could be matched up with the Rams
or the Seahawks in the first round the Eagles again,
like it's there's no real easy path in the NFC.
And then on the Eagles front too, it's the same thing.
Their defense, which had been you know, around average all year.
I think it's starting a round in the form you
saw the addition of Jalen Phillips to Vic Fangio defense.

(48:31):
They're gonna get better as the year goes on. But
that was the offense out of the by look no different.
Like the offensive line isn't as good as last year,
so Barkley can't get going. There's no creativity in the offense,
Like there's no motion, there's no play action, it's shot.
They've used ex jumbo packages a little bit recently, which
has led to some more success. But as far as

(48:53):
like just the overall creativity the offense, it's like the Packers.
It looked like the Packers had the Eagles playbook the
entire game. I mean there were there was basically just
like two good plays, like they had a dump off
to Barkley which was off script and the long past
the DeVante spent. Other than that, the offense didn't do
anything the entire name. So as of right now, I mean,

(49:13):
it doesn't look like neither one of these offenses are
capable of getting through the NFC, but that could change
by the end of the season and we shall see.
We'll get another good data point on the Eagles offense
this week against Detroit.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Okay, all these lines are presented to you by all
these lines are presented to you by my friends at
hard Rock Bett. Let's dive into another team that's pretty
i would say, polarizing right now because a month ago
you'd been like, this could be a Super Bowl Tampa
going to Buffalo. Obviously, Tampa's had a bunch of injuries,
so it's hard to judge them. I think we all

(49:49):
believe when they're fully healthy, they're really good. Buffalo, I'm
not so sure. And I think for the first time,
like with Lafleura, i went this McDermott thing, like you
can only have so many runs before people because you
become a product of your own success, Like, yeah, you've
you've won this division. Well now it looks like you
might not win the division. It's like, well, your offense dominated,

(50:11):
Well now it's struggling. And then you go to Miami.
Everyone's making fun of their franchise, their coach, and not
only do they clown you, you got the head coach driving
by your team's bar, like laughing at you.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Those are the type moments That is cheesy as it
might sound, like, start the owners pay attention to this shit,
and all of a sudden, you don't win the division.
You something weird happens depending on the matchup wild Card weekend.
Now I would like Buffalo like at Indy probably like
I'm not betting against Josh Allen against Daniel Jones, but
who knows, what if they're just they just have way

(50:44):
better team we saw with Baltimore the last two times
you guys have played. It's like Baltimore has no business
losing the Bills. They have better players, but Josh and turnovers.
I'm tempted to take Tampa in this spot, but I
just I don't trust what Buffalo team I'm getting. You'd
think they're going to be motivated because coming off this
loss at home, but what if this thing just starts

(51:05):
getting weird? What if this just that time where this
was the pivot point and this ends up costing kind
of the Uh. You know Sean McDermot, who's done a
really good job. I mean, he helped resurrect this franchise
with Josh, but it does feel like they've kind of
petered out now.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Well, the over like the favorite the matchup too, that
we're most likely to get because now the Patriots have
a decent lead in the division with a game in
hand with a win in Buffalo, and they have a
really easy schedule the rest of the way. So the
most likely end point for the Bills that they make

(51:45):
the playoffs I'm assuming they do is the five seed,
and that means they are most likely going to Baltimore,
who's now who's favored, a decent favorite to win the
AFC North, and the Ravens are probably gonna get If
they do, they'll get to like nine or ten wins,
which means they'll probably be the four seed. So yeah,

(52:08):
Buffalo instead of with this really easy schedule that they
had the favorite to get the one seed going into
the season, instead of having a buy and home field
advantage throughout, it looks like as of right now, just
based on how it looks, they might have to go
to Baltimore in the first round, which is not ideal.

(52:29):
So yeah, I mean, I I do expect the game
effort from the Bills. It looks like a lot of
their defenders are were practicing on a limited fashion yesterday,
so I think they'll be relatively healthy on that side
of the ball. They're jet. I mean usually this team
loses like at home once every two years, and they
did it this year against the Patriots, but we saw
them beat the Chiefs. I the Boks just are not

(52:54):
They're kind of broken right now. I mean, if you
look over the past month, and a lot of that
has to do with health, right Their offensive line isn't healthy.
Bucky Irving remains out. Without Bucky Irving, like the run
game goes in the tank, and the run game just
isn't as good without Liam Cohen there. You also have
Mike Evans on ir God.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
When you say Bucky Irving was a big part of
Liam Cohen getting a job, like his success and his
like yeah, I mean, because they were one of the
worst rushing team for years. He gets there, looks awesome.
Liam becomes a star yep.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
And then like the Bucks last year were like the
best screen team of all time too if you look
at like advanced numbers, and Bucky Irving was a huge
part of that. So without him, like the run game,
the screen game isn't as good. But more importantly, I
don't think Baker's healthy. And I mean they came out
of the buy against New England and then they got

(53:48):
a late garbage time touchdown, but they only had sixteen
points before then. Baker hasn't scrambled in four weeks, like,
so he was dealing with like a groin and submit
like and so I figured after the bye he would
look a lot fresher, more healthy. But he didn't really
scramble again last week, So I'm not sure he's hot.

(54:10):
I know a lot of what the Bucks do is
and I know Baker are good numbers last week, but
it's not a great Patriots pessimens. But I'm just talking
about just watching him. He wasn't scrambling at all. I
mean in ha, no rush attempts and a lot of
what keeps their drives going and creates explosive places when
he's moving around, and he's going to need to do
that against the Bills, who can get pressure. So the

(54:33):
Tampa Bay offense right now is just not a well
boiled machine and it's not operating at peak efficiency. I mean, like, yeah,
they put up thirty on San fran but that San Francisco,
I mean that's when Warner went down. They get they
got they can't stop anybody, and then you saw them
go to Detroit, and Baker just looked off and they

(54:54):
were and Detroit was playing a bunch of backups in
the secondary. Against New Orleans the following week, yeah, they
scored twenty three, but there was like a pick six.
Baker was fifteen to twenty four for one hundred and
fifty yards. They only rushed for three yards to carry.
I mean they finished that game with two hundred and
twelve total yards of offense. And then last week it

(55:15):
just didn't look all the way there. So if I
had to bet this game, I mean, my favorite looking
at it is probably under. It's come down a little bit,
but there's gonna be some weather. And the way to
attack this Bill's defense is with the run. They struggle
to defend the run, but Tampa's rushing offense not there

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right now. Baker not really running and moving that well,
and the Bills want to run the ball a lot,
sometimes too much when you have Josh Allen. But the
Bucks arguably have the best run defense in the NFL.
So I think there's a lot of paths to where
both defenses are getting stops. You throw in the weather

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here as well. Let me look at the updated weather. Yeah,
there's gonna be wind, which might dampen some of the
downfield shots that both these quarterbacks are certainly capable of hitting.
Kincaid banged up for the Bills as well, So yeah,
I mean, I wouldn't blame you for taking the points.
So I think my best look is the under in

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that game. There's something off with this Tampa offense right now,
but the Bills have been very Jekyll and Hide all year.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
The NFC West is doing a little round robin these
last two weeks. Seattle hosted Arizona, the Niners hosted the Rams.
Now the Niners are going to Arizona and Seattle is
going to La Kyle said yesterday before we dive into
the big game. Kyle said yesterday that all signs unless
there's a setback in the next twenty four to forty
eight hours of party's probably gonna start, which I do

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think is a little risky in the sense that Mac
Jones been really good, and especially like I mean, he
has destroyed the Rams. Right if the forty nine ers
had their normal defense, they would have been right in
that game. They just had no chance to slow him down,
but offensively they kind of did whatever they wanted and
you know Perty coming back, Piersall might come back. The
Cardinals obviously lose Harrison, they're kind of in shambles, but

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I would imagine I guess that that final score didn't
kind of hold up of like the thirty or forty
point beat down, because Don't kind of fell apart in
the second half, so it looked a lot closer than
it was. I mean, it was thirty five nothing, pretty quick.
That feels like one of the faster thirty five nothing
accomplishments in league history, because it was twenty to one
nothing before you could even blank. And I guess, I listen,

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if Perdy comes back, you just better win, because if
you were to lose and he were to play bad, obviously,
when you pay guy one hundred and eighty million dollars,
I'm not acting like there's a quarterback controversy, but the
other quarterback was playing well, you bring this guy in
off the shelf for basically a month and a half.
I just now there is gonna be a Niner home
game in Arizona, especially with how shitty Arizona. This might

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be like nine fans, but I do think there's some
pressure of pretty plays to like look kind of good
because the other guy's kind of rolling.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, I mean, I'm tempted to stop like that.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I'm taking the Niners minus three, but that defense makes
me nervous. I just wonder if the Cardinals are starting
going to do a little one two three, uh rosa rita.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, I'm I'm tempted to take the three, but like
it's the Cardinals are a mess right now. I mean,
it gets how many times can they throw to McBride here?
But I mean the forty Niners cannot generate any pressure
at all now. Their defense can't stop anybody. I mean,
I don't care who you have out there, the Cardinals
are probably gonna move the ball. It's gonna be like
Greg Dortch, Michael.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Zay Jones broke his leg or something, and.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
They have some offensive line questions. The defense, too, is
also really banged out. They were without two starting corners
last week Mac Wilson.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
But they couldn't even practice on Wednesday. They had too
many injuries.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Yeah, their defensive line as injuries, linebackers, secondary, So they
just might be two decimated to do anything. But it's
hard to trust. Is forty nine ers laying like asking
to win by margin. With the state of their defense,
I mean, it has been they just have no one left.
The injuries have been horrifying. And this was a star
We talked about this all year. This is a Stars

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and Scrubs built defense that you know, they had a
massive was the biggest free agency exodus of defensive players
money wise in the offseason that we've ever seen. So
they said, okay, well we still have Bosa, we still
have Warner. Well now you don't, and then you even
have more injuries after that. So yeah, it's it's it's

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a tough, tough scene for that defense. And the other
thing that I'll mention because it is a bit risky
and with Purty because number one, I mean, I'm sure
they wouldn't put him out there unless he was one
hundred percent healthy. But I mean maybe maybe at home

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against the Panthers next week would be a good spot.
But this is a nice runway, like you're at Arizona,
you're home against the Panthers before you go to Cleveland
where you lost last year, and that that defense is
is gonna be good at home. But there's there's potential
for Russ Like we see this all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
With that's what I'm saying, that's my point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah, it would have been off for a while. And
now you're taking this offense that has been humming. I
mean over the past month and a half. I mean
what Matt Jones throw for what seven like six hundred
and fifty combined yards against the rams uh in a split.
And the offense has not been the problem. And you know,

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against the Texans, that's like the best defense in the league,
and the defense couldn't get off the field in that game,
and and and the Texans were playing without all their receivers,
So you got to remember that game, like Arizona doesn't
have the receivers, the Texans didn't have any receivers in
that game, a really bad offensive line and basically just
held the ball the entire game because the and I

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just couldn't get off the field. So there's a path
where the the Cardinals can do something similar. But that's
what I would worry about with Purty. It's like that
first game is their rust and then like how long
does it take for him to get going and shake
it off, because with this defense, you might be in
a hole.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Okay, let's get dive into the heavyweight matchups. My logic
on this one's pretty simple. We talked about it last week.
I think the difference with Seattle and LA, and it
was on full display with mac Jones thrown with his
eyes closed for three hundred yards to random guys. The
LA secondary is just not very good, and I think
Seattle secondary is really good. Now. I think that the

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thing you would be nervous of, like obviously, Darnold, I
don't even count. The second half has been remarkable and
Stafford feels like he's playing. It's pretty crazy to think
back like three months ago that is like I might
be out on the rams because it's back's fucked, and
it's like, well, b looks fine to me, but it
doesn't even feel like he was ropid opening. It's like
his back was legitimately hurt, but unlike Kershaw, just like

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magically went away and he's fine. And Davante did get
banged up in that game. I saw it this morning
that it looks like he's gonna play. He's got eight touchdowns.
I mean, if you sign a guy and he brings
you twelve or fourteen touchdowns a running back or a
wide receiver, that's an incredible signing. You know, so and
Davante and him look like they have Aaron Rodgers' level rapport.

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But I just think the difference in this game is
Seattle secondary. I mean, LA can't cover anybody, so I
don't like, I love Seattle plus three. I also think
I'm not saying like forty nine er level, but I
do think there's gonna be a lot of Seahawks fans there.
And this is the thing with these LA teams, they
don't really have home field advantages. This is not that

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I would argue it's like the worst in the league
for teams that matter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, I mean, and Seattle's traveled really well under McDonald.
I mean, they've argue been better on the road that
at home in his tenure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
And yeah, they lost like one game. I mean yeah,
I think they.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Were like nine to one over the past ten road games.
I yeah, I mean I made this case. I made
this case last week when I was talking about the
over the forty nine ers Rams over in that I
think that the Rams defense is overrated because over the
past month, they played Tyler Shuck and the Saints, they
played the Ravens with Cooper Rush.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Chuck looked pretty good last week, though, what's apps the
highlights of that get You watched Chuck last week looked
pretty good?

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
He did he Yeah, he had. He showed some signs
that at least the Saints fans have something to look
forward to, at least for the time being in another
lost season. But you know they for based on who
they played. And then you look like remember the first
time Mac Jones without Kittle, without his receivers carved them up,
and then he did it again. Their weakness is clearly

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their secondary, And then I could make the I could
also make the case that the Seahawks their defense is
underrated at the moment because they played a I put
a large stretch of the season with a lot of
injuries in the secondary. They've had some guys step up.
They're getting healthier on the back end. And this is
a front much like the Rams that can get pressure

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without blitzing, which gives you so much flexibility and allows
you to cover so much more efficiently. So yeah, I mean,
I think that the clear weak unit in this game
is the forty nine ers. I mean, excuse me, the
Rams secondary. So taking the three, I don't hate it.
We'll see if now this is a completely different offense

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for Darnell.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Can the Rams win the Super Bowl, let alone the division?
With the secondary, they just can't cover people in a
passing league.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
It's it's gonna be tough. But like if you look
at who, like what pass offense really really scares you
in the NFC playoffs, So it's certainly not the Eagles

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right like they can. I mean, they should have won
in Philly, but again their secondary. Philly's offense came to
life for it. It was like the first the only time
they put up like twenty six points in the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
But that's not Seattle. The Niners of that's like a
two to seven. Let's say they won the division, would
just they're just comfortable playing them?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, but I just don't the Niners defense is not
gonna be in a state where true they can beat
the Rams. I don't think Detroit is probably the team
that you'd worry about. Maybe Tampa if they're healthy. So
that there are some teams, there are some games where
the Rams are probably gonna have to outscore just win
in a shootout, I think in the NFC playoffs, depending

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on their path, But they.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Actually match up pretty well against the Eagles. Then huh,
Like the secondary doesn't kill you if they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Yeah, I mean they almost won in Philly in the
snow last year, which with like that was not an
ideal situation and road environment in the snow playing Barkley,
and they had a chance to win that game at
the end. And then obviously we're up twenty six to
seven this year in Philly. So yeah, I think it's
a decent matchup for the Rams that they wouldn't mind

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having to play the Eagles. But these are two Yeah,
these are really interesting teams that they're kind of ahead
of the curve and it's kind of the new, the
new you know, most efficient way to move the ball
in the NFL is using heavy personnel and throwing out
of it and just causing and the Ravens have done

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this for the past couple of years, which has made
their offense such a matchup nightmare because you've had years
of you know, eleven personnel spread and defenses have adjusted, right,
and then that's how they built their defenses. Well, now,
I mean it's a cyclical league. It's cat and mouse,
you know, robber and cop, you know, criminal and cop
type of just back and forth. And now offenses are

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starting to adjust and go a little heavier and throwing
out of that. That's what the the Seahawks have done
a lot of They don't run the ball very well,
but they use that run to kind of set up
the pass, set up their play action out of heavy personnel,
create mismatches, and the Rams have really leaned into it
over the past month. Over the past month, they've used

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thirteen personnel forty percent of the time, three tight ends
on the field. They're like and they're just ripping defenses
apart with it. That's a fascinating chess match in this game.
Not only do you have McVeigh verus McDonald, which is awesome,
but you have these two teams that are, you know,
kind of ahead of the rest of the NFL with

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how they're moving the ball. But both offenses know, you know,
both teams know that they play against it. So who
can make the better adjustments against these unique offensive formations.
It's really interesting. But I don't mind taking the points here.
I can't wait for this game. These are two teams
that keep winning and keep covering. They're both I believe

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both seven and two straight up and seven and two
against the spread. Two best in the league. So yeah,
I mean taking the field goal I think makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Well, that's the millennial coaching matchup with McDonald and McVeigh.
This is the Boomer coaching matchup with Andy and Payton.
I looked earlier today that now, granted week eighteen last year,
the Chiefs had already wrapped it up, and I don't
know if we're playing for much bo Nicks, I think
through for over three hundred yards against them, but I
do remember him playing like decently well against them in

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the game that they missed the field goal or the
field goal blocked right at home in the middle of
the season. Now, the version that we have seen lately
is just it's been tough to watch. I saw his
little some clips of his press conference kind of trying
to downplay, you know, criticism and just trying to have
fun and the entertainment value, like this is just we

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make too big a deal. It's like, bo, You've been
making millions of dollars playing this sport since college, buddy,
Like this is this isn't just like fun in games here,
like this is a huge business. You're feeling the pressure,
You're clearly not playing well. He lost your confidence but
this isn't like an uncommon opponent, right for a young player.
He has seen these guys a couple of times. I

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would imagine this is the type team that over the offseason,
you know, in OTAs or whatever, they put some periods in.
This is something that is talked about in that building,
probably over and over and over, you know, through training camp,
right before the season starts. So this is a this
is a huge spot. I'm tempted to just take the
home team with the points, but I would be kicking

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myself if all of a sudden, you know, it's seventeen
to seven and he's just skipping balls and looking like
he's looked. It's like, how did I put any money
bon Nicks? But just had a principle. They have what
forty six sacks this year. The defense is awesome, you know, Chiefs.
I guess they get Simmons back, which is big. So

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I it's it's hard to bet against the Chiefs, even
though it's like, God, you're they're a huge home dog
and they're eight and two. It's pretty crazy. With the
best defense in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, they're a little banged up. The
Broncos as well. I mean, I don't think Stan's gonna
play again, uh Singleton at linebacker. They have a couple
of injuries at linebacker, but Certan is the big one.
Like their defense is not the same without them. Now
they've won too straight. But they beat the Raiders and

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they beat the Texans after Stroud got hurt. That's who
they've played since Sartain went out not exactly a month.
You know, they're the best offenses in the league. Now
you're going up against Mahomes. This sets up as just
a pure chief spot, Like they're coming off of a bye.
It's close to a must win. I mean, it's insane.
As of right now. The Chiefs aren't in the playoffs.

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The season ended today. They're not in the playoffs. And
if they lose this game, like the division.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Well, if they lose in the Jags beat the Chargers,
they would be in some trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Yes, yeah, Jags Chargers, huge game, the biggest leverage game
of the weekend. Jags win, they go I think sixty
percent to make the playoffs. If they lose, it's down
to like twenty. If the Chargers win, it's up to
like eighty five ninety. If the Cheams it's a coin flip,

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huge game among teams that are battling each other because
you get like the head to head as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Who So, who are the Chiefs rooting for in that game? Uh,
that's probably the Jags. Is just go away?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
That's a good question. They lost to both.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
So I looked at the Chargers schedule this morning. It
actually gets pretty hard. Like, I mean, they still got
a lot of good teams on It's not like they
have a bunch of like Raiders and Panthers on there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Yeah, and the Chiefs host them, that's a tough one.
I mean, the Jags schedule at the end gets pretty easy.
That was a killer loss to the Texans when they
blew that lead, but they get They have the Jets,
they have the Titans twice. They have the Cardinals after this,

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So you know, there's like four really winnable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Chargers still play the Eagles, they go to Kansas City,
they have to go to Dallas, they play the Texans,
which is gonna be a tough matchup for them with
their all line, and they go to Denver. So I
mean it's some of these matchups with their on line
are going to be really really challenging.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah, yeah, they might be written for the Jags, but
that's a good question. I ought to look into that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
They just need to win before they can roof for ends.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yes, but like this sets up as a chief spot.
I mean, the Broncos have been I mean it's they've
been fools gold all year. I mean the defense is
really good, but now it's not healthy. And I mean
you're talking about a team that and bo Nix's is
playing horrendously, like so many off target throws and so
many misses downfield. And this is a team. I mean

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you look at their their when he's looked good and
bo Nix's numbers get into sad territory. If you remove
the Cowboys game at home and the Bengals game at home,
and those are two defenses that are historically bad. You
look at the rest of the schedule. I mean, they
beat the Jets by two, who threw for negative ten
passing yards. They beat the Giants by one. They were down,

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they didn't score in the first three quarters, and the
Giants set the goal prevent they all their secondary guys
get hurt, and they come back. They win by one.
They beat the Texans by three, probably lose that game
if Stroud doesn't get hurt. They only put up eighteen
points and then they only put up ten against the
Raiders defense, and it didn't look great. So yeah, I

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mean they're just they're a ticking time bomb. And this
is a team like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
He was, he was horrendous on Thursday and half. It
was bad, he really was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
They have so many come from beh I mean think
I think they're one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
seven and one seven and two in one score games,
like they've become the Chiefs. And the Chiefs can't win
a close game this year. Now, granted they won eleven
and l last year that that stuff tends to revert,
but the Chiefs are oh and two, oh and three.

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The Chiefs are oh and four in one possession games
this year. So this all this offsets up for like
a Chief's close win, and but the numbers matter, and
like this is three and a half. That's expensive. I mean,
you're paying for the spot and you're paying for everyone
pretty much knowing that the Broncos are a bit of

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a fraud and banged up and the Chiefs really need
this game. So I would imagine like the sharper side
is the Broncos, but I'll probably have the Chiefs some
form of f I should maybe like a square moneyline
parlay or something, But I can't get to the number
to like show value in winning to lay three and
a half four points on the road. Denver's still a
great home fielder. Then it's still a really good defense

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that can get pressure. So but if Nix is a disaster,
they're gonna get blown out. So he's gonna I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Agree, I'm going Lions Sunday Night football. Looking at the schedule,
if you just looked at the Eagles, if they split
the Packers Lions game, they were gonna be in great
shape because they go They got Dallas, they get the Raiders,
they get the Commanders, they get the Bears at home.
You know on Thanksgiving Black Friday, they get the Commanders again.

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You know that they set it up for like thinking, Eagles, Commanders,
we're gonna come down to the wire. Now the Eagles
get to lick their chops, you know, with playing them
two of the last three games. Now that one really
hard game after the Lions is at Buffalo. But I
don't think this must win when you kind of look
around the NFC, even though obviously you would say going
into it, you know they're probably more likely to win

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at home against Detroit Outdoors than they would travel to
Green Bay. And you know they easily could have lost
that game if green Bay just pulls their head out
of their ass. But I don't know, man, I just
Dan Campbell hard to judge playing the Dan Quinn just
atrocious defense right now. But I think Dan Campbll might

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have found a little mojo. And what I think is
big is Dan's really good at understanding his players, and
I think they started turning on the other guy right
so it's like Dan's been part of the game plan.
I'm not comparing him to Ben Johnson as a play caller,
but like he works hand in hand, like he knew
the he's on the headset, so it's like he knows

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his guys really well. I just think that's a huge
motivational lift of like when players, especially veteran All Pro,
Pro Bowl level guys, turn on a coach, especially if
he's somewhat of an outsider. I saw this with the
forty nine ers when Fred Warner and Nick bos were like,
we don't fuck with this Steve Wolks guy, Like we
just don't believe he knows what he's doing. And when

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that happens, it's even high end guys can kind of
just kind of go into a tank. We're all human beings.
And I do wonder if Dan Campbell just gave them
a little life putting on those glasses and calling I
don't know, just pretty basic plays to Jamison Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, they went. They finally leaned into
the past more. I talked about this last week. I mean,
I bet the Commanders what an amazing bet last week.
But I talked about how the Lion's offensive gone into
a tank and into the tank for the past month,
and they couldn't run the ball at all. And a lot
of that had to do with the offensive line not
being as good, offensive line injuries, the interior not being

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as good. But if you look at like pass rush,
I mean pass rate over expectation, this is the first
game all year that they were positive. Now so and Morton,
I just I didn't like the play calling and then
they went and changed it and you had Campbell. Where
I'm struggling with this game is I mean, if the
Eagles are are also like a ticking time, I mean

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They've gone six and one in one possession games. They
could have lost. I mean, you had Kelsey dropped that
pass in the end zone, the Rams, the block field goal.
You know, you had the Vikings who were in the
red zone like seven times and only came away with
like two scores. They could have easily lost that game.
And then the Packers like that was a coin foot game.

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They're six and one in one possession games. And the
reason is that their offense, I mean almost fun unless
they're playing the Giants, who can't stop the run. Their
offense on a weekly basis almost like goes. They almost
go like a whole half without scoring a point.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
You agree, their offensive line is not I mean it's
a shell of what it was last year. Lane Johnson
in and out of lineup with always getting banged guard
center guard is not as way worse.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Miss Beckton Jurgens has been out there, and Lane Johnson's
clearly just not one hundred percent healthy. So yeah, their offense,
and that's why if you look at Barkley's numbers, they're
they've fallen off a cliff as far as like yard
set before contact, and he just doesn't have the same
lanes that he did, and they did. The offense, yeah,

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I mean this offense is hard to trust right now.
But you got to give credit to the Eagles for
just finding ways to win games.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I said this yesterday. Siriani has kind of turned into
what Tomlin would have been like twelve thirteen, fourteen, Like
he can handle a lot of shit. This aj Brown
thing would break a lot of young coaches. Like it's
pretty just you know how Philly is. There's a lot
going on. He is fifty five and twenty two. I
guess he's got a lot of good players and a
great general manager. But like I listen, I've been a

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hater over the years. You're fifty five and twenty two.
It's like, and you won a Super Bowl? What are
you gonna say?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Yeah, I think he's he's underrated in some of the
in game stuff that he does with like the game management,
clock management. I think he's very underrated that in that aspect.
But where I'm struggling with this game is you, I mean,
you nailed it? How much so the Lion's offense, which
hadn't been trending, well, Dan Campbell goes to play car

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and they did change some things and how they approached
the game plan last week and how often they were throwing.
But how much of that is okay Dan Campbell on
the line's offense or was it the Washington defense who
looked the first of all, are really bad, second of
one like you have pain your only good player like
throws a punch and gets thrown out, like just signs
that they didn't want to be there. So how much

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do I like take I don't know what to take
away from that game. How much was it Washington? How
much is it Detroit? Tough to tell. I do think
it's gonna be better, but by what magnitude? And then
you have the Eagles defense, which for the full season
wasn't great. It was, you know, by some advanced metters,
it was like a league average group. You know, they

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weren't bad, but they weren't great, and they weren't as
good as last year, but they just didn't have the
same edge rush. Their secondary wasn't as good like after
some of the losses that they had in the offseason.
But this is the Fangio defense coming out of the buy.
You add Jalen Phillips, who looked really good, and they
provided much needed juice off the edge he did, But

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how much of that was Green Bay's offensive being broken
in their injuries? Because I mean at the end they
were thrown to like Bo Milton, there's a reason they
were trying to make them a corner. So like, how
much do I take away from that Eagles defense? Are
they back to like being the elite unit? So I
don't know. I don't have a strong feel on this game.

(01:21:33):
There is some sharp money on the Eagles early in
the week. Let me see what that lines at right now,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
I can The thing is Mitch the Lions, I mean, Amen,
Raw is their quote unquote one. But he's kind of
a unique It's not like he's Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson.
They move them all around where Mitchell, right, it's like
Taylor May do you just put them on Ceedee Lamb
or you know, Ceede Lamb lines up in the same
places where the Lions kind of you know, moved their offensive.
Web's kind of all around, right, So it's it's a

(01:22:02):
little unique that they would rather just have Mitchell Garden
Ceede Lamb or Justin Jefferson or whatever. But that's not
really the Lions deal. Yeah, it's a tough because he's
because he's because he's awesome. He's he's good. That's a
good pick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
He's amazing. Let me see that the Yeah, you do
have golf outdoors, Like I could see the case where
it's just like you trust the Eagles defense at home
against golf outdoors, but it's hard to trust that that
Eagles offen turn. I'm gonna see the weather is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I do think their defense, Like watching that Monday night
game is like, uh, Jalx Hunt, I mean, he looks
like he's got a chance to be a pretty good player.
You add Phillips obviously, Jalen Carver. They have multiple linebackers
really good, and you got Mitchell and Cooper and then
if you just kind of rotate the other guys, like
most teams don't have like seven good corners. I never

(01:22:56):
feel that like much sympathy. It's like, well we're missing
a corner. It's like, well, yeah, most teams are rolling
out random corners like welcome to the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Yeah, I mean look, yeah Hunt, I mean Nolan Smith,
I mean Dean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Yeah, he's back to I mean yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Mamble coming off like coming off the edge with Phillips.
So they're starting to get some more goat and they
got Vic. Yeah, now they can't like if they lose
they the one position where they cannot lose anyone is
they can't lose Carter or or Davis. Like the the
D line, they're down. Defensive lineman still has like no depth.
It's like rookies behind them. But the rest of the

(01:23:33):
defensive starting to fill out. I'm interested to see. They
also signed how he brought in how he generally makes
very smart, sharp moves outside of getting Jay r Alexander
who's stepped away from the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Do you get it? Do you get a redo on
that one? Or the Ravens will get their pick.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
But they did. They did bring in Michael Carter, who's
the cornerback Michael Carter, So, like, does that enable them
over time to then play dejene and Williams on the
outside and then play Carter and the nickel. That's an
interesting potential wrinkle because they're their biggest weakness. One of
their biggest weaknesses on defense, besides edge ruts, which which

(01:24:14):
looks like to be improving on the upswing, is their
second corner position has been a real weakness and one
that other teams have really attacked because additionally, their safeties
aren't great, so that could be an added wrinkle. You
also have to keep in mind like Jurgens is banged up.
I mean, all their offensive linemen, like all their offensive
lineen besides my hot are on the injury report. So

(01:24:35):
how healthy is Lane Johnson? The numbers with him without
Lane Johnson are are stunning. And they've also been going
jumbo a lot, which has helped the offense a bit,
but without Lane Johnson that's much harder to do and
you can't do that as frequently. But like Steen Dickerson,
they're also on the injury report, so there's some things
to watch here. I just don't have a great feel.

(01:24:57):
I think we'll but I mean it's just like the
Lions are probably gonna score. They score on mostly everyone,
and if the Eagles offense goes into a tank for half,
it's eventually going to burn them. And if this Campbell
bump is real, then I can see the Eagles getting upset.
But I just don't have a strong feel, like I
really want another data point where this Eagles defense out

(01:25:19):
of the by after some of the additions and with
this Lion's offense looks with a new play caller.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
One game that's tough because a little bit like you know,
playing the Washington Commanders. The Giants defense is pretty horrendous,
and Caleb made some awesome plays with his feet. They
obviously had a bunch of drops, but you know, it's
freezing cold, you're gonna drop the ball sometimes outdoors. But
the Vikings, I mean, there was that one player. Was
it the Humphrey pick. I think it was the Humphrey pick,

(01:25:49):
not the Starks pick where Jefferson just quit. He's like,
I'm just I'm not even chasing him. And sometimes I'll defend,
like it's like, I look at the quarterback I have
to play with right now, what are we? So it's
sometimes I will defend, like obviously Antonio Brown. There's a
level of like yeah, Terrell Owens, But like I don't
mind Jefferson being like, hey, guys, what the hell did

(01:26:11):
you you just signed me up for? Because this is
a joke. This is not a two win team developing
a quarterback. Here we were tailor made ready to win,
and this guy he can have a good play and
then he can just make a play like he's the
worst quarterback in the NFL. But the Bears have stretches
where on their defense is horrendous, and that their defenses

(01:26:31):
Jackson Dart was destroying them. And if Brian Dayball just
didn't hate Russell Wilson with the power of a thousand
suns and accept as the penalty of scores instead of
kicking the field goal, I would imagine that they win
that game, and that probably led to the day Ball
getting fired. But I don't have a feel for this thing.
I guess I would just lean the Bears. But again,

(01:26:53):
you have to take the Bears record with the grain
of salt, with how they look throughout most of these games.
They're pulling games out of their ass with Kaylee run around.
But I have that there's no way, and I mean
no way I could put money on JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Well I did. I could have guessed that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
I yeah, because you like Flores against Caley, He's I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Mean, McCarthy's looked really bad. There's no doubt about that.
In his defense, I mean my defense is he gets
to play the Bears defense. The Bears defense which has
been about like if you remove turnovers. I mean, this
is a team They're plus fourteen on the season, on
turnover margin, Like they have eight fumbles, they've only lost two.

(01:27:39):
Their opponents have nine fumbles, they've recovered seven. They've also
played the easiest strength of schedule in the league. I
mean they're wins are the Cowboys the Commanders by one
or because of fumbles, the Raiders by one because of
Gino turnover was the rout game by like three hundred
yards in that game Bengals, the Bengals, the Saints, and
the Giants. They needed miraculous comebacks against the Raiders, the Commanders,

(01:28:05):
the Bengals and the Giants. I mean, they lose that game.
Dart doesn't get hurt. And today that cycle, you could
argue that those are the six worst defenses in the league.
And so if you remove turnovers, the Bears are thirtieth
in EPA per play on defense, basically right with the

(01:28:26):
Bengals and Cowboys. If you look at early downs, so
first and second down without turnovers, which are more predictive
than third downs, more variants, they're dead last, and he'd
be able to play worse than the Bengals and the Cowboys.
Like this defense can't get pressure, they can't stop their run.
The Kyler Gordon and Jyalen Johnson. Two of the best
players are on IR at the corner position. So I

(01:28:48):
think that even the Vikings and McCarthy can move the
ball even though they want to run it. The Bears
can't cover the receivers. Hopefully McCarthy can get them the ball.
And I will say, in fairness, the Eagles. The Vikings
past five games have been against the Eagles, Ravens, Chargers, Lions,
and Packers. A lot of good defenses in there, a
lot of good teams. Meanwhile, the Bears have been playing
nothing but clowns. They even got to play the Ravens

(01:29:08):
with with stup Puntley who went up and down the
field on them. So yeah, I mean, the Bears have
four crazy comebacks with an easiest schedule in the league,
they could easily be a three and six team and
Vikings with their defense, their defense is going to be
the best unit on the field. Their runde's improved since

(01:29:29):
they've gotten healthier with Van ginkel And and Cashman. And look,
Caleb's playing better this year and the run game has
been really good. But you got to remember he's played
horrendous defenses all year and you watch him, he's still
bailing from the pocket. He's still not efficient. He's making
some really nice plays down field and they're explosive, but
he's bailing from the pocket almost immediately. You'll see him

(01:29:51):
just like one eighty out and then running around. I
don't think that can work against the Flora's defense. Is
still a huge home field advantage for the Vikings and
like a must win. McCarthy's hard to trust as a favorite.
But this this Bears team, and Caleb hasn't been good
as good on the road. This Bears team is is

(01:30:12):
is due to not have some bounces go their way.
And I think even with McCarthy, this Vikings offense can
move the ball pretty much at will against the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
O'Connell gets a little pass happy, you know. I mean
that's he likes. He's got a little Andy Reid McVeigh.
He would rather pass it every single play than never run. Yes,
and I do. I do think that is very difficult
on a quarterback who was trained and I would say,
you know, probably got a graduate level degree playing at
Michigan for Harborughn Crew. He learned playing football to complete

(01:30:43):
opposite So this is a stark contrast of like, hey, man,
you got Jerry Rice over here, and you got you know,
Joey Galloway over here, and we're going bombs away. It's like,
that's not how this kid learned how to play. So
in fairness to JJ, they're asking him to do something
that and he's barely played in the NFL, he's coming
off an injury, his the prey, he's playing good opponents.

(01:31:08):
It's it's not going well. And once I saw Jefferson
just like, I was like, this is there's a lot
going on there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
It was a bad it was bad last ye. But
it should be much easier because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Not like the Ravens even played that great. Would you
agree with that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
No, Lamar, Like their their defense still can't stop the run.
So like the Vicons be able to run. I think
the average like six r s carried McCarthy, just he
doesn't run it and McCarthy just missed a bunch of throws.
It was it was not a good look. But I
will say the Raivens secondary as legit elite talent. The
Bears have one of the worst in their thirty first

(01:31:41):
and EPA per drop back. It's it's a bad, bad
secondary and they don't get pressure. So if there's ever
an opportunity for McCarthy to move the ball and he's
only they can't. One his one good quarter did come
against the Bears in his first game when they came
back in that game, which I think just says more
about the Bears defense. So yeah, this is like, this

(01:32:05):
will be a much easier test for him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
You got any upset alert on Oklahoma going into Title Town?
Do you think that defense because Alabama can't run the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Can't run the ball, their defense isn't great, Like you
can run on them. Oklahoma's found a bit of a
rushing attack. Mobile quarterbacks can give Alabama problems. It's an
interesting spot in that Alabama's revenge from last year like Oklahoma. Yeah,
but this game is much more important for Oklahoma in

(01:32:50):
that like Alabama's probably going to the cot fall ploff regardless,
even if if they lose this game, they're still Okay.
Oklahoma needs this game. I mean, maybe Oklahoma still gets
in with we losses, but it gets dice heer and
they're coming off of a bye. One of the best
defensive players is questionable, Army Mason Thomas. But this defense
is nasty Bama can't run it one dem being one

(01:33:13):
dimensional against Oklahoma is a tough, tough task for Ty Simpson,
who's played really well. I will say like the Oklahoma
defense is one of the top maybe two or three
in the country, but they've been a little vulnerable against
the teams that can throw it. Like we saw a
miss move it. We saw Tennessee throw it. The rest

(01:33:34):
of the teams they played Texas, South Carolina, Kent State, Auburn, Temple, Michigan,
Illinois State can't really throw it. So can Oklahoma get
enough hits on Simpson and cause some mistakes here that'll
probably be the difference all of them. Is also really

(01:33:54):
really good early on in games. Oklahoma can't get too
far behind here. I would like a seven. I think okam'
is gonna have a shot. Their special teams are also
much better. Have a really good kicker, one of the
best kickers in the country Albama special teams.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Little the guy that wears no pants.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Yeah, and he wears a arm sleeve. He's a really
really good kicker that could get them some hidden points.
Alabama struggled on special teams this year to start is important.
I would like a seven year. To be honest, the
Lion has come down off of seven, which I think
does make sense. But I might look to back Oklahoma
live if Bama goes up, which they often do, and

(01:34:29):
I anticipate Vnables will have a good game plan. This
is on defense. This will be a great chest mat,
especially coming off the buy. But I assume that so
will de boor and grow up offensively in the in
the script, and I'm sure they've been itching to get
their gift back on Oklahoma. So yeah, really good game.

(01:34:50):
It's a really boring college slate other than this game
and two similar games. Then you have Texas Georgia. Georgia
can afford the loss. Texas really needs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
To win, coming in with some momentum. Arch just had
the best game of his career. Yeah, they beat the crap.
I mean the final score thirty four to thirty one,
but didn't Bandy score like twenty fourth quarter points? They
I watched they beat the crap out of Andy in
that game. Yeah that Arch was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Yeah, Archers looked much better. But the two teams he's
faces like Dandy, who look gassed in the Mississippi state.
So how much of it is Arch improving now. I
will say the Texas offensive line has been a lot
to blame for some of their offensive struggles. But Georgia
can't get pressure. I mean they're defense outside the top
one hundred and pressure rate, bottom ten sack rate, so

(01:35:36):
that should help Arch here. The Texas defense is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
This was a twenty twenty four I remember probably the
most intense just sitting down for a game and buckling
up for this matchup last year. But Michel Williams and
obviously Javon Walker are gone. And Walker, what do you
have like three and a half sacks in that regular
season they had?

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Georgia had thirteen sacks in two games against Texas. They
swept Axas last year, once in the regular season, once
in the SC Championship game. Georgia has eleven total sacks
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
They'd thirteen against Texas and Texas had an elite offensive line,
so the pressure rates way down, so it should be
easier on Arch.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
The Georgia Javon Walker in those games look like I
don't know, Lawrence Taylor, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
He was dominant. So what what like is you have
Arch coming off of a bye two?

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
So I Jalen I keep going to Javon like the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Yeah so yeah, I mean, I think Arts has looked better.
He settled in, but he did get to play Vandy
in Mississippi State. This is a team that still couldn't
move the ball at all at Kentucky should have lost
that game. And then you gotta remember a Missippi State.
They were down seventeen in the fourth quarter before he
turned it on, and then Georgia just went in the

(01:36:59):
Missippi they dominated them. Would like to get a seven here,
I will say though, Georgia's games all go the same way.
They go down in the first quarter of every game.
All s SEA games except Kentucky, they've been down. They've
been outscored in the first quarter, I think by twenty
on the season in their SEC games, so they come
out flat. Their defense is just not It's not a

(01:37:20):
national title contend caliber defense. I think they would stolen
it offshore, but it's going to be in the backs
of their offense. The defense is just nowhere close to
like your older brothers Georgia elite defenses. But they go
down almost every game, and then Kirby has like carried
them to like Georgia and Alabama, are very similar to me.
Their defenses are down a bit for different reasons. Their

(01:37:42):
offenses Georgia can at least run at Alabama can't. But
they've won a number of games they easily could have lost,
And a lot of that goes back to coaching. There
are two very well coached teams, but Kirby in particular
is the best in game adjuster in college football. So
if you see Georgia early, usually a good live bet.

(01:38:03):
I mean, they've been incredible in the fourth quarters. In
the second half, he saw them shut out Alabama. So
I would lean taking the points looking for Georgia live,
but would like to get us seven there again. And
that's what I mentioned. I did fade my Ravens Browns,
Brown's at home, Brown's home defense with weather like I
don't know who's scoring in this game, Lamar, I don't

(01:38:24):
think a hundred. He doesn't have the same burst, so
you take away his legs and mobility against that defensive line.
You also can't run it on Cleveland, and if there's
a ton of wind, that only hurts the Ravens. The
Browns can't throw it downfield. You can run a little
bit on the Ravens. The Browns have been incredible at home.
Crazy stat I'll finish with last three years Brown's Brown's

(01:38:44):
at home thirteen and eight against the spread sixty two percent,
on the road five and seventeen against the spread twenty
two percent. That's worse than the league, worse than the Titans,
who never cover. They've been They've caught a touchdown or
more at home three times in the past three years.
Not only have they covered all three, they won all
three outright. They beat the Ravens last year. The forty

(01:39:05):
nine ers remember that game last year and the Packers
earlier this year they shut down everyone at home. No,
I mean, I don't think are the Ravens gonna get
more than seventeen with a nine hundred percent lamar, I
don't think so? Can the Browns get the ten? Sure?
So I did? I bet the Browns plus plus the
points there getting over a touchdown and which the totals

(01:39:26):
down to like thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Doing. Gabriel might not be good.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
He's terrible. I'm back in Gabriel and McCarthy. What could
go wrong? It just is gonna to be in the
back like this has to be at Browns seventeen thirteen
thirteen ten type of game because fifteen thirteen, Yeah, Gabriel
is they're gonna have to do it. How they They
should have beat Varro, they did beat love in the Packers,

(01:39:51):
and they held the Dolphins at three points. But yeah, dude,
you're gonna They're just gonna to run it and rely on
their d The weather should help a ton though.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Okay, Stucky, thank you, and enjoy the weekend. I'm sure
you've got a lot going on, college basketball, college football, NFL.
It's a good time of year, So I will talk
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
I'll talk to you in a week absolutely. How you going, brother.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
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