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The volume. All right, Well, go to Hoops and I
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you guys have had an amazing week. It is mail
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to the Eastern Conference today. We were heavy on the
Western Conference yesterday where we're gonna be doing deep dives
on the Toronto Raptors, the Detroit Pistons, and the Orlando Magic.
We're gonna be reacting to the Raptors Calves game from
last night, and then through mailbag questions, we'll be hitting
some other teams out East in the tail end of
the show. Some mail bag questions centered around trades and
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some other ideas for some different Western Conference teams. It's
gonna be a lot of fun as we bounce around
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we have two playback streams coming in the next two nights.
We are covering the second of a nice little two
game kind of playoff style series between the Spurs and
the Warriors tonight. I think we will see a couple
of adjustments, particularly on the Spurs front, as they had
a hard time Wenby had a hard time scoring on Draymond.
They gotta find ways to get Draymond off of Wemby
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also struggled to guard Steph, So I think we'll see
some adjustments from San Antonio. That's gonna be a fun game.
We'll be hanging out on playback tonight for that one,
and then tomorrow night we'll also be going live on
playback for the Los Angeles Lakers on the second night
of it back to back in Milwaukee against the Bucks.
We'll see how the Lakers manage that with their rotation.
If they end up sitting a bunch of guys, we
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may end up taking Saturday night off, But as long
as Luke Dancic and Giannis Antanakopo play on Saturday, we
should be going live on YouTube for that one as well.
All right, let's talk some basketball. So before we get
to our mail back questions, I want to zoom in
on Raptors Calves mainly. The Raptors specifically have one six
out of seven and have made a nice little run
there in the Eastern Conference. Calves got off to a
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good start in this one on the second night of
back to back. They went up double digits in the
first quarter, but Toronto goes on a thirty three to
twelve run spanning the end of the first quarter and
the start of the second quarter to take control. Cleveland
never got any closer than five from there. The effectively
controlled the rest of the game. It's a pretty consistent dynamic.
Toronto does a lot of switching. They switch just about
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everything one through four, and then with pertl and ball screens,
they'll bring them up to the level to contain the ball,
and then they'll peel switch, which if the guard gets
screened really at all, if he doesn't just cleanly fight
over the top, purdle will switch and they'll ap peel
with the guard. And so essentially what that does is
it shuts down screening actions. And all other guys are
pretty switchable. Their bigger players can move their feet well.
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Their guards are all pretty big and athletic and have
long arms. So Cleveland had a hard time breaking their
defense down. They had some success with three man action.
When they would run three man action, occasionally Toronto would
botch a switch and leave someone open, which would buy
Cleveland an opportunity for an open three, which Cleveland did
shoot well on their unguarded catch and shoot threes in
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this game, and it gave him a couple opportunities to
start some of their driving kick attacks. But a lot
of the game kind of bogged down for Cleveland in
the half court as they struggled to break Toronto's switching
down and more or less throughout the game. Again, Cleveland
made their open ones, but Toronto's got some great length,
and they did a great job contesting shots, and Cleveland
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did not shoot well on contested shots. So Cleveland was
seven for sixteen on unguarded catch and shoot threes. That's
forty four percent, obviously a strong number, but just one
for ten on guarded catch and shoot threes, and that's
no coincidence. Toronto's long, they can test hard, they close
out hard, They're hard to shoot over, and this has
been a season long trend. Teams are shooting just thirty
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point six percent on contested catch and shoot contested catch
and shoot jumpers against Toronto, which ranks eighth in the NBA,
and their length shows up in other areas as well,
for instance, their fifth and deflections per game according to
NBA dot COM's tracking data. Their defense is also starting
to come around in the seven games. Fan will dig
a little bit further into that in a little bit.
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And then on offense, they do a wonderful job of
attacking in transition on both makes and misses. They have
thirty eight transition points in this game, which obviously is
a great number, and that's a consistent trend. That's the
fourth time this season they've had at least thirty eight
transition points in a game. We've talked a lot throughout
the early part of the season about how Chicago, Miami,
and Portland are the three teams that have been heavily
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emphasizing transition. Each of those three teams are averaging at
least thirty three transition points per game, but Toronto is
only a little bit off of that pace. They're at
thirty one point two transition points per game, which ranks
fourth in the NBA, and they're super fun to watch
in transition. They got some freight train guys like Scottie
Barnes and RJ. Barrett will get that downhill super force
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full drive to the basket in transition or semi transition.
Emanuel Quickly will mix in transition threes. He took several
of those against Cleveland last night. He's actually hit thirteen
transition threes this game, either or in this season, either
as a pull up three in transition off the dribble
or as a trailer kind of running behind the play
after a kick ahead pass. And he's shooting thirty eight
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percent this year. On transition threes, they'll throw a lot
of kick ahead passes. They run their lanes well. It's
a very fundamentally sound transition attack and it's fun to watch.
And then in the half court, their game is dedicated
on dribble penetration, either from drives from their guards like
Emmanuel Quickly and Jamal shed do a great job of
hitting seams off the dribble. They were cutting Cleveland's defense
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to pieces last night at the point of attack. Or
they'll use post ups and ISOs from guys like Scottie
Barnes or Brandon Ingram to draw attention for their kickouts
and so as a result, they generate a lot of
spot up opportunities and for all to talk about their
jump shooting, which was the big story coming into the season, like, hey,
they've got a lot of playmaking talent in that lineup,
Like Scottie Barnes is a high level playmaker. RJ. Barrett
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is hit or miss, but he's grown as a playmaker
over the years. Emmanuel Quickly can make reads. Brandon Ingram
and Scotty Barnes are two of the better passing forwards
in the league. Yaka pertles a guy that can playmake
out of the center position. So they have a lot
of playmaking talent. The question was will they be able
to shoot enough? And we talked a lot over the
early part of the season about how they were going
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to have to be a team that would break teams
down with like multiple driving kick sequences because they have
a playmaking advantage. But the thing is is they've been
shooting the ball super well. They're getting one point zero
eight points per jump shot to start the year, which
ranks seventh in the NBA. So for a team that
we thought would be a bottom ten jump shooting team,
they've been a top ten jump shooting team to start.
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They're shooting forty three percent on unguarded catch and shoot threes,
and like, there are certain guys that like maybe they're
shooting a little above their paygrade, so to speak. Scottie
Barnes is shooting the ball super well to start the season.
Jamal Shed's shooting the ball super well. But it's a
lot of they're good shooters that are knocking down shots,
Like there's some of this that feels translatable to me.
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And then they've been lethal off the dribble. They're forty
nine percent on mid range pull ups, in forty percent
on pull up threes, which is driving the high level
jump shooting. And so in a stretch where they've won
six out of seven, they've actually logged offensive ratings in
the half court just in the half court of at
least one hundred and seven in four of those seven games.
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That's a really strong, consistent half court offense. And it's
because you're seeing the playmaking talent which is abundant in
that starting group, but guys are also knocking down jump
shots paying off those sequences. Now, whether or not they're
able to maintain that level of half court efficiency is
going to come down to whether or not they can
maintain the shooting. I trust the driving kick. They have
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dudes who can pressure the rim, they have dudes who
can make the kickout passes. Collectively, they can manage the
driving kick sequences. They just have to continue to pay
it off by knocking shots down. And so that heavy
transition based attack, the heavy driving kickbased attack, that's causing
them to have extremely balanced scoring. The ball is not sticking,
it's moving a lot, and so for instance, sixty nine
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percent of their baskets are assisted. That's a super high
assist percentage that ranks fifth in the entire NBA. Here
in the early going this season, in the seven game stretch,
during the six to one stretch, they don't have a
single player averaging over twenty points per game, but they
have six players averaging at least ten points per game,
basically all of the starters, and then Sandra Mamukelashvili who
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came into the game and really kicked Larry Nance's butt
last night, especially in that first half shift. And then
for being a team that passes the ball at time,
they don't turn it over much. They have the seventh
best turnover rate in the league. So a really bright
spot on offense for a team that we were worried
about coming into the season about whether or not they
would be able to score the basketball enough, especially in
the half court. So winning six out of seven has
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moved Toronto up to sixth in the East. They're seventh
in offense for the whole season, sixteenth in defense for
the whole season. If I was trying to pick them apart,
I'd say, well, they're jump shooting, will probably cool off
a bit. But if I was defending them, I'd counter
that by saying They're probably going to be much better
defensively as we get into the larger sample. Right, That's
what we saw post All Star Break last year, a
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dominant Toronto Raptors defense, and that's already starting to happen.
In their last seven games, their fourth in defensive rating
while maintaining a top ten offense. So even if their
offense does cool off a little bit, they still look
like a pretty good team off of the strength of
that defense. And again, that playmaking is manifesting in some
high level driving kick sequences for some quality shots. They're
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just a scrappy and fun team to watch. They defend
and run the floor super well. They play a fun
brand of selfless drive and kick basketball in the half court.
Really nice start to the season for the Toronto Raptors.
All right, let's get into our mailbag. First question, Although
on a limited sample size, I think Danis Jenkins showed
flashes of great shot creation as a lead ball handler
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and can be a long term solution for the Pistons
backup point guard. He defended well and was impressive in
the pick and roll. Thanks Jason, You're the best basketball
probably got. Thank you so much for the kind words
and for supporting the show. I'm excited for you Pistons fans.
We've got a couple of Pistons questions here to start
the mailbag, and they are playing some really damn good
basketball to start the year. So Danis has had a
couple of big games in a row now in more
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of an off ball role. In the Washington game off
of Cade, he had twenty five points, including some huge
catch and shoot threes late in regulation that sent game
to overtime. And then against the Bulls, with Kid Cunningham
and Jalen Duran out of the game, he steps into
a featured ball handling role. He ran twenty ball screens
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in that game, including passes, and generated twenty five points.
It's one point twenty five points per possession, which is great. Now,
obviously it's way too small to sample size for us
to just be like he's the best backup ball handler
option they have. They're gonna be fine. This is the
perfect guy for this role. You obviously need to see
a lot more over time in order to make that
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sort of judgment call. But he's definitely an interesting player.
He's got some real wiggle to his game, a good
change of pace. His handle is pretty sharp. He's able
to get to his spots for little mid range pull ups.
There's good energy transfer and good fluidity going from his
dribble into his shot. He's a pretty good rim finisher
for a slender guard like He's sixty two percent on
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layups so far this year. That's a strong number. He
broke through a few times all the way to the
rim in the Chicago game, although Chicago's a pretty bad
paint defense. And then he can make the pick and
roll reads like he made simple reads like a little oh,
you're digging down off of Duncan Robinson all the way
down to the nail. Let me just throw this swing
pass at Duncan Robinson. Or he can make the pocket
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pass as he hit Paul Read several times in the
pocket throughout the game, including twice in crunch time for
big time shots to help close that game out. There
was a nasty one where Paul had kind of like
spun into a seal, opening up his right hand for
a layup on the left side of the basket or
a right hand for the pass. I should say he
finished with his left, but on the play, Dannis Jenkins
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ends up kind of like throwing like an underhanded bounced
pass off of a live dribble that fit through a
really tight window and just kind of fed beautifully up
into Paul Reid's gathered so that he could just go
up and finish with his left hands, a really high
level piece of playmaking. And then he's starting to make
some of the more advanced reads as well, like he
made two corner skips in the second half, including a
left handed bounce pass driving along the left side that
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got all the way to the corner, generated some quality
three point looks. So it was some high level pick
and roll basketball from Dannis Jenkins in that game. The
thing I like the most about his game is he's
a good off ball score Like he can be aggressive
off the catch, spotting up off of CAID, which means
if JB. Bickersav ends up in a situation where he
wants to skew a little bit more towards ball handling
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and shooting, like a guy that could play off of
CAID as a catch and shoot player, but that can
also run second side action at a higher level, I
think that Dannis just gives him another option to go
to there. So overall, even if you're not sure what
his role looks like in the big picture, it's certainly
never a bad thing to have a young player pop
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the way that Danis is popping here early in the season.
One more Pistons question, and this was a really interesting
kind of case that was brought up Hi Jason. Given
Detroit's strong start to the season, everyone seems to be
automatically running mock running mock drafts Lorie to running mock,
Laurie to Detroit trades. Excuse me. I love Lourie's theore
me fit alongsize KD alongside Kid. However, he doesn't solve
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the secondary playmaking initiation issues, assuming IVY is part of
the deal. Instead, I'm more interested in someone like MPJ.
It wouldn't cost nearly as much to get him compared
to LORI. He adds more size to our wing rotation,
and his role would essentially be the Malik Beasley irrational
confidence jackup shots at a six' ten. Frame in this,
scenario k doesn't have a clear co, star but BETWEEN, Mpg,
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duran and iv we'd have three guys who could drop
twenty on any given, night and you'd Trust kid to
keep everyone. Fed how do you envision this Theoretical KID,
IVY Mpj Asar duran lineup working and would you inquire
ABOUT Mpj the deal would likely Be Tobias duncan And
sasser Or clintman plus second round. Picks thanks as always
for your. Content this one got me thinking this. Morning
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the marketing stuff has been flying around for a, while
and you make some interesting points about how you Know
laurie's having a great, season but he's definitely not WHAT
i would consider to be like a high level ball handler,
initiator and that reflects on. Synergy doesn't run a ton
of self created, possessions and when he, has he hasn't
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been super. Efficient that's never really been his. Game he
is very much the textbook example of the week side scoring,
forward the guy that's going to attack and do a
lot of damage as a score off the, catch usually
off of an advantage that someone else creates for. Him
and then he'll mix in some scoring off of screens
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and you, know he'll do a lot of damage and
transition and stuff like. That but for the most, part
he is a week side score. Right and so what
you're talking about here is a guy who makes over
fifty million dollars that basically fulfills the role of weak
side scorer that is not that secondary playmaker, initiator, Right
and so your pitch, here which is basically, like, Hey
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Michael Porter junior can do eighty percent of What laurie
does as a week side scoring forward and you probably
don't have to nearly as much in terms of draft
compensation or. Salary AND i just think that makes a
ton of. Sense you're looking theoretically for an upgrade on
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what That Tobias harris position. Is Tobias harris is also
that weak side score. Slash maybe you can throw it
down to the post to him a little bit kind of.
Guy tobias obviously is a better perimeter defender than a
guy Like Michael porter. Junior But Michael Porter junior is
a when he's locked in and, engaged WHICH i would
assume he would be In, detroit he is a good
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help side like secondary rim. Protector he's a very good defensive.
Rebounder there's a lot of stuff That Michael Porter junior
does that would add layers to this. Team and as
good of a rebounding team As detroit has been on
the offensive end of the, floor they are not a
very good defensive rebounding. Team and SO i Think Michael
Porter junior could actually help anchor them. There this makes
a lot of sense to. ME i, mean obviously you
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still have that secondary playmaking initiation piece to figure, out
but like you're not burning any real assets to go
out after this type of, deal and so you still
have time to essentially see If jade And ivy can
come back and become that, player or you, know see
If Dannis jenkins can continue to become you, know a
secondary like off the bench type of ball. Handler you
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could get more time to take take data in and
then at the end of the, season if you need
to turn around and make a bigger deal for someone
like A Devin, booker or if something like that happens
to materialize down the, line you can confront. That BUT
i think The Michael Porter junior type of target makes
a ton of. Sense he's, Achievable he's not going to
cost a. Ton you don't have to do as much
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to match. Salaries if You're, brooklyn you already got a
first round pick and The Michael Porter junior. Deal so
say you turned that into say you Turned Cam johnson
into a first and two seconds plus whatever else you
get in that in that trade. Package it's it's it's
an interesting. IDEA i think it makes a lot of.
SENSE i love the. Idea Michael Porter junior did a
ton of damage With denver as a transition three point,
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shooter running his, lane run to the, corners trailing the
play at the top of the, key knocking down. Shots
that was such a huge aspect To detroit's transition attack last.
Year kick ahead shooting the guys Like Tim Hardaway junior
And Malik. Beasley it makes a lot of. Sense you
make a great. Pitch i've been thinking about it a
lot this. MORNING i like the idea Of detroit targeting
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we gonna get to see you on an episode OF.
Dnvr it would be cool to see you on the
couch at the bar with THE dnvr guy's best crossover.
Ever i'm not sure, when if at, All i'll be
able to link up with THE dnvr guys will. SEE
i won't write it, off BUT i am working With
Adam mares FROM dmvr On. Fridays i'm actually gonna be
recording with him here in about a half hour live
on The ALL nba podcast where we go Every friday
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at nine Am pacific. Time so working With adam a
little bit this. Year not sure what's gonna happen with D.
Mvr we'll see in the long, Run i'm not opposed
to popping in and hanging out with those guys for a.
Game next, question after The magic bully The knicks last,
NIGHT i just wanted to know where you stand with. Them,
obviously they have been underwhelming this season And palo is
out for a few games now with the groin, injury
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but it seemed Like bain is finding his role with
the team and understanding how to get his. Shots, this
along With franz shooting the three better and already being
one of the best drivers in the, league makes me
upmistic about. Them If pallo can find his, form which
he hasn't so. Far great, show keep it the good.
Work thank you for supporting the. Show so The magic
have found a little bit of. Rhythm they've won five
out of, seven starting to show some signs of life on.
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Offense they have a one nineteen offensive rating in that.
Span you Mentioned franz shooting the ball well from. Three
i'd Include Anthony black in that discussion as, Well and,
like here's the, Thing it's not like either of those
guys are lighting the nets on, fire but just starting
to pay off more of those sequences that end up
in wide open looks for An Anthony black or for Fnz.
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Wagner those going in closer to forty percent of the
time rather than you, know in the low thirties high.
Twenties that makes a big difference in paying off some
of those. Sequences i'd also Say Anthony, black you, KNOW
i didn't really enjoy his on ball reps early in the,
season but he's starting to get a little. Better he
had a couple of really nice finishes in that second
half Against New, york and his floater is looking really.
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Nice he's actually five for seven on floaters to start this,
year and he hit a couple of big floaters down
the stretch against The. KNICKS i think the transition game
has played a big. Role it makes, sense you're such
a big athletic, defense you should be defending and you
should be. Running they torched The knicks and transition in that.
Game they just have so many big downhill athletes that
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they can hit seams before the defense gets set and
they can get to the rim pretty. Easily there's a
classic example of that in the first half From tristan To,
silva where they run the ball up the. Floor it's
a semi transition. Sequence tristan has it on the right
wing And Jalen brunson's on, him but because The knicks
don't have their defense, set no one's, gapping and because
no one's, gapping it effectively is like a, big, old
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wide open one on one For tristan Against. Jalen he
just hits a little dribble move off to his, left
gets his right shoulder Into, brunson and just kind of
fends him off because he's so much bigger and stronger than,
him and gets an, easy little left handed. Layup that's
a driving lane that's not going to be there for
the half court situations For orlando because of some of
their jump shooting problems, Right so like those defense of
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transition sequences are a huge way that they can bolster
their otherwise limited. Offense from time to. Time Franz is
torching teams with those semi transition drives at a bunch
against The knicks as, Well AND i did like some
of their intentionality in the half court against The. KNICKS
i still wish they'd run more two man game With
palo And. Bain they ran one in the first quarter
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Where bain came off of A palo screen so it wasn't.
Inverted it was just a regular ball screen with palo
screening For. Bain but once, Again knicks didn't want to
switch because most teams don't want to switch that. Action
So bain was able to essentially just easily turn the
corner and got a wide open left handed. Layup and
every TIME i see, THAT i just want to scream
at the screen about how it could all be so
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easy if you guys just continue to target that sort
of defensive conundrum that you can put teams in with that.
Action BUT i do want to give them some. Credit
they were ruthless Posting Franz wagner Against New York's smalls
in that, game and he killed them right at the
front of the rim throughout that. Game that's good. INTENTIONALITY
i liked how often they Put Desmond bayn in the
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weak side corner when they were attacking on the opposite
side of the. Floor that's the spot where teams are
most likely to help off of. Him so if he's
not going to be involved in the, action put him
somewhere where he can pay it. Off and he was
getting left open in that left corner by The, knicks
and he had a couple of huge. THREES i think
he had three total out of the left corner in the,
game but two big ones in the second. Half that's
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another good bit of. Intentionality this team is super. Talented
if they defend and get out in, transition and if
they play a little bit more intentional in the half
court in terms of how they, attack they're going to
win a lot of. Games they have the. Pieces let's
just hope That pallo can recover from his groin injury.
Quickly next, QUESTION i don't see The warriors roster being
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good enough to win two or more series in The.
West The warriors had often been interested In Anthony davis
over the years Since kadie left The. Warriors from the,
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idea Of Anthony davis playing for The. Warriors you don't
have to overthink. That it's just really fun to imagine
like a real, athletic switchable rim protector In Golden state's defensive.
SYSTEM i think offense it's a little more. Clunky ad
is not the best read and react player That i've
ever watched at the center. Position he could be a
little slow to interpret what the defense is, doing and
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he can struggle with double teams and guys that come
swarming from his backside when he's not. Looking there's also
like an opportunity kind of element here where it's, like
what If Anthony davis could be got for? Cheap but
really it falls apart for two. Reasons for. Me, One
Anthony davis has consistently in his career shown up in
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camp out of, shape which has led to him putting
a ton of mileage on his body early in the
season when he's trying to drop, weight and then he
inevit gets hurt because he's not in playing shape when
he's trying to. Play and then he comes into camp
this year bigger than he's ever. Been there's another photo
floating around the other day of him looking kind of.
Big Anthony davis is, that in my, opinion the textbook
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example of a guy that kind of exacerbates his own
injury issues because of his consistent problem with showing into camp.
Overweight and his reasoning is, like, WELL i drop weight
during the, SEASON i need to come in heavy so
THAT i can drop weight to the right playing. Weight
but whatever benefit he's getting from like being at the
right playing weight later on in the, season he's losing
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in the form of his body just getting beat the
hell from him carrying all this extra weight in a
league that is heavily up and down in, transition and
that's asking him to cover a lot of ground in
rotation as a big that can be mobile on the.
Perimeter and SO i don't think it's a trade off
that has worked FOR. Ad and so there's a huge
injury risk FOR ad who's once again injured. Again and
then the second piece of it is with the, Salaries
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like you Trade Jimmy butler FOR, ad you're plugging one
hole and creating. Another Jimmy butler's your secondary shot, creator,
Right and DO i Think Anthony davis when he's, healthy
is a better player Than Jimmy, Butler, probably but not
by enough of a margin to justify that swap when
you're creating another, hole And jimmy's demonstrated himself to be
more available as of. Late and then as soon as
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you Include Draymond green in the, MIX i think you're
just so fundamentally altering the way the team plays on
offense because Of Draymond green's ability to play in that you,
know high post like passing folkrum type of, role hitting
backcutters and slipping out of ball. Screens and you, KNOW
i was watching the game Against spurs on against The
spurs On, wednesday and it's just like so apparent when
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you watch The warriors how Important draymond is as a
passing folkrum for that. Offense and so as soon as
you give Up, draymond whatever benefit you get from ad
is mitigated to a certain, extent and then you bring
the injury issues to the to the. Forefront so it's
worth exploring just simply becau As Anthony davis could be
had for relatively. Cheap but as soon AS i dug
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into it a little, BIT i didn't really like the
move for The. Warriors next, Question WHENEVER i watch The warriors,
DEFENSE i noticed that a lot of their defense is
predicated on, overhelping which leads to open threes for the other.
Team what is the thought process of always. Overhelping i'm
trying to understand whether this is happening due to lack
of size and mobility on the. Roster if it's more
of a defensive philosophy that they're sticking, to definitely a defensive.
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Philosophy this has been a consistent thing throughout The steve
Kerr are. Era this is a team that, swarms and
they do. It there's a couple of different elements to
keep in mind. Here, one this is an excellent close out.
Team every year THAT i watch The, WARRIORS i find
them to be one of the best two or three
teams THAT i watch every year in terms of flying
around in rotation and chasing guys off the, line commitment
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to being in the paint to help to, swarm but
also getting back out to the. Perimeter, now they can
have nights where their closeouts aren't as, sharp and then
it looks like they're just leaving a bunch of dudes
and it can look like a flawed defensive. Scheme but,
ultimately especially in high leverage, moments clutch, situations the, playoffs
whenever they're really locked in for a regular season, GAME
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i look at them as a team that can swarm and,
recover AND i think it's a strong foundation for them.
Defensively the second piece of it is very much by,
design which is this is a team that wants to
try to Get Steph curry and chaos as much as.
Possible they Want Steph curry to be operating without a set.
Defense so instead of like this guy's locking and, trailing
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he's grabbing his jersey and he's holding them all over
the floor and every one of the other four defenders
is keyed in on him so that they can be
ready for him as he comes off of. Screens they
want like offensive rebounds off of corner crashes where he
can get open kind of like the shot that he
hit off of The Gary payton offensive rebound to help
close the game Against San. Antonio right, like they want,
Chaos and one of the best ways to generate chaos
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For Steph curry to where he can find openings is in.
Transition and one of the best ways to get into
transition is to force. Turnovers and one of the best
ways to force turnovers is to swarm in the paint
and get deflections as guys are trying to make, kickouts
and then even on the kickouts whenever they miss a.
Three missed threes usually lead to long. Rebounds long rebounds
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usually lead to transition. Opportunities so even if they give
up a certain amount of wide open catching three opportunities
as part of that defensive, scheme it is made up
for in the long, rebounds the, turnovers and the transition.
Opportunities this is A warriors team that is top ten enforcing,
turnovers AND i think they get like twenty points a
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game off of. Turnovers it's like a huge part of
the way that they score the. Basketball so ultimately it's by.
Design and then whenever they end up in high leverage,
MOMENTS i never feel like teams are comfortably shooting. THREES
i feel like they're facing pretty intense closeouts from one
of the best close out teams in the. League, Hey,
jason really enjoy your. Show, question if you were to
pick any role player from The thunder to put on The,
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lakers irrespective of, contracts who would you select and? Why
Lou Dort, absolutely no. QUESTION i Think Loue dort is
that perfect combination of, like stick him on the other
team's best player and he's gonna be unscreenable and he's
gonna make that dude super uncomfortable all. GAME i think
it unlocks more deep drop looks For DeAndre, ayton WHICH
i think is a, better better kind of configuration for,
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him because right, now his best defensive trade is just
that he's big and athletic around the. Rim once you
start asking him to cover in space or to really you,
know switch and be in different spots on the, floor
it can be a little bit more. Complicated so a
guy like Lou dort would slot in and just solve
a lot of their issues, defensively and then he's a
guy who can knock, down, catching shoot, threes drive close,
out says a little bit off the, dribble pop plays
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super hard every single. Game Lou dort would be the
kind of guy THAT i think would be perfect In Fantasy,
world because obviously that's never going to, happen all, Right
two more, questions, guys thoughts on A Devin vessel trade
to The. Lakers vaselle doesn't fully fit the timeline In San.
Antonio fox is already an established guard And castle And
harper are very, young and therefore projects would be a
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good trade for both. Teams it looks like thanks, Again,
jason love the. Show keep up with great. Work thank
you some much for supporting the. SHOW i really appreciate.
It i'm not the big the Biggest Devin vassell fan
in the. World he's certainly a good. PLAYER i don't
want to like undercut him, here but he's a scoring
guard that doesn't particularly score the ball that well or
at that uh in terms of volume or. Efficiency and
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then in terms of like this scrappy defense, stuff he's
not as good a defender as, scrappy as like a,
rebounder grab loose balls kind of guy as some of
the Other San antonio. Guards AND i think The lakers need.
SCRAPPY i also think they need more of a small
forward than they need a two. Guard SO i don't
love The Devin vessel fit for The. Lakers that wouldn't
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be a guy That i'd be. Targeting, now what Will
San antonio do With Devin? VESSEL i have no. Idea
he makes a lot of money, now and once you
enter into that, situation it becomes more. Complicated you have
to match. Salaries i'm not sure there's gonna be much
of a market for him in a trade if you had,
to if you put a gun to my head and
ask me to guess what's gonna happen With Devin, VESSEL
i think he's more likely going to be salary, filler
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like the interesting young player that, is like the salary
filler that The spurs attach assets to to try to
get a better player. Back and that's if they move
him at. All BUT i definitely don't like him as
a target for The. Lakers last question is the addition
Of jonas valanciunis the most significant change to The nuggets
versus last year more than a, coach, player, development and
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other personnel. Ads jokic looks fresher with the longer bench
stays and expresses it by being more efficient even for,
him he only played thirty four minutes to get to
his fifty. Five, also how are you Liking? Colorado love
it In. Colorado i'm a little frustrated by the lack of.
Snow it's made our skiing venture a little bit. Delayed
but allegedly at some point in the next two weeks or,
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so temperatures are going to drop. Significantly we should help
their snowmaking. Operations and then there's allegedly going to be
some storms coming, through so hopefully some snow comes. Through
but loving it. Here love the. Weather it's like sunny
all the, time which is. Amazing the basketball scene here is.
Incredible i'm playing in a couple of men's, leagues and
one in, particular The Charles Whitlock league On wednesday. Nights
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that is like awesome competition and like every team has
like a half dozen dudes who used to play in,
college and Every, Wednesday i'm getting like engaged competitively in
a way THAT i haven't in a long, time Which
i've really. Enjoyed just need to get back on the,
slopes so hopefully The i've done three days so far this,
season but it's been a keystone In breckenridge where they've
only had one run, open so it hasn't been the
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best skiing in the. World but hopefully within the next
month or So i'll be able to get that. Going
as far as ever. Goes, SO i would argue that
it's a little bit deeper than Just Jonas. Malincunis It's
jonas and just overall the amount of bench. Talent it's
it's weird to look at statistically because there's still minus
seven net so losing The jokic off minutes by seven
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points per one hundred. Possessions that seems like a high,
NUMBER i, mean like a bad high, number, Right but
that's actually better than. Usual they're pretty traditionally in, that
like eleven eleven and a half points were like negative
With yokich off the. Floor so it's better than it
used to. Be but the WAY i think it's manifesting
is that they're still having some really bad games or
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they lose their ass With jokic off the. Floor clippers
was another example of. That but the big thing that's
standing out to me is they're having more good bench,
Games like they're having games like The kings game where
their bench comes in And Yonas valanciutas is bullying them
on the offensive, glass And Bruce brown's hitting threes And
Jamal murray's cooking the other team's backup guard and they
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blow a game open With jokic off the. Floor Like
so in the large, sample it's, better not that much,
better but they're winning some games with their bench this,
year which is something that didn't happen in the. Past
AND i think the point you're making about Keeping jokic's
minutes down as another big part of what is driving
that success relative to previous. Seasons all, right, guys it's
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ALL i have for today is always to sincerely appreciate
you guys for supporting us and supporting THE sho. Again
feel free to join us on playback tonight For Spurs
warriors or tomorrow night For Lakers. Bucks i'll see you guys.
Then if, not THEN i will see you On monday
for our Usual Power rankings. Episode i'll see you guys
then
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you guys have had an amazing week. It is mail
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bag Day and as promised, we're gonna be heading out
to the Eastern Conference today. We were heavy on the
Western Conference yesterday where we're gonna be doing deep dives
on the Toronto Raptors, the Detroit Pistons, and the Orlando Magic.
We're gonna be reacting to the Raptors Calves game from
last night, and then through mailbag questions, we'll be hitting
some other teams out East in the tail end of
the show. Some mail bag questions centered around trades and
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some other ideas for some different Western Conference teams. It's
gonna be a lot of fun as we bounce around
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Fridays throughout the remainder of the season. Also quick programming note,
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we have two playback streams coming in the next two nights.
We are covering the second of a nice little two
game kind of playoff style series between the Spurs and
the Warriors tonight. I think we will see a couple
of adjustments, particularly on the Spurs front, as they had
a hard time Wenby had a hard time scoring on Draymond.
They gotta find ways to get Draymond off of Wemby
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also struggled to guard Steph, So I think we'll see
some adjustments from San Antonio. That's gonna be a fun game.
We'll be hanging out on playback tonight for that one,
and then tomorrow night we'll also be going live on
playback for the Los Angeles Lakers on the second night
of it back to back in Milwaukee against the Bucks.
We'll see how the Lakers manage that with their rotation.
If they end up sitting a bunch of guys, we
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may end up taking Saturday night off, But as long
as Luke Dancic and Giannis Antanakopo play on Saturday, we
should be going live on YouTube for that one as well.
All right, let's talk some basketball. So before we get
to our mail back questions, I want to zoom in
on Raptors Calves mainly. The Raptors specifically have one six
out of seven and have made a nice little run
there in the Eastern Conference. Calves got off to a
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good start in this one on the second night of
back to back. They went up double digits in the
first quarter, but Toronto goes on a thirty three to
twelve run spanning the end of the first quarter and
the start of the second quarter to take control. Cleveland
never got any closer than five from there. The effectively
controlled the rest of the game. It's a pretty consistent dynamic.
Toronto does a lot of switching. They switch just about
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everything one through four, and then with pertl and ball screens,
they'll bring them up to the level to contain the ball,
and then they'll peel switch, which if the guard gets
screened really at all, if he doesn't just cleanly fight
over the top, purdle will switch and they'll ap peel
with the guard. And so essentially what that does is
it shuts down screening actions. And all other guys are
pretty switchable. Their bigger players can move their feet well.
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Their guards are all pretty big and athletic and have
long arms. So Cleveland had a hard time breaking their
defense down. They had some success with three man action.
When they would run three man action, occasionally Toronto would
botch a switch and leave someone open, which would buy
Cleveland an opportunity for an open three, which Cleveland did
shoot well on their unguarded catch and shoot threes in
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this game, and it gave him a couple opportunities to
start some of their driving kick attacks. But a lot
of the game kind of bogged down for Cleveland in
the half court as they struggled to break Toronto's switching
down and more or less throughout the game. Again, Cleveland
made their open ones, but Toronto's got some great length,
and they did a great job contesting shots, and Cleveland
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did not shoot well on contested shots. So Cleveland was
seven for sixteen on unguarded catch and shoot threes. That's
forty four percent, obviously a strong number, but just one
for ten on guarded catch and shoot threes, and that's
no coincidence. Toronto's long, they can test hard, they close
out hard, They're hard to shoot over, and this has
been a season long trend. Teams are shooting just thirty
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point six percent on contested catch and shoot contested catch
and shoot jumpers against Toronto, which ranks eighth in the NBA,
and their length shows up in other areas as well,
for instance, their fifth and deflections per game according to
NBA dot COM's tracking data. Their defense is also starting
to come around in the seven games. Fan will dig
a little bit further into that in a little bit.
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And then on offense, they do a wonderful job of
attacking in transition on both makes and misses. They have
thirty eight transition points in this game, which obviously is
a great number, and that's a consistent trend. That's the
fourth time this season they've had at least thirty eight
transition points in a game. We've talked a lot throughout
the early part of the season about how Chicago, Miami,
and Portland are the three teams that have been heavily
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emphasizing transition. Each of those three teams are averaging at
least thirty three transition points per game, but Toronto is
only a little bit off of that pace. They're at
thirty one point two transition points per game, which ranks
fourth in the NBA, and they're super fun to watch
in transition. They got some freight train guys like Scottie
Barnes and RJ. Barrett will get that downhill super force
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full drive to the basket in transition or semi transition.
Emanuel Quickly will mix in transition threes. He took several
of those against Cleveland last night. He's actually hit thirteen
transition threes this game, either or in this season, either
as a pull up three in transition off the dribble
or as a trailer kind of running behind the play
after a kick ahead pass. And he's shooting thirty eight
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percent this year. On transition threes, they'll throw a lot
of kick ahead passes. They run their lanes well. It's
a very fundamentally sound transition attack and it's fun to watch.
And then in the half court, their game is dedicated
on dribble penetration, either from drives from their guards like
Emmanuel Quickly and Jamal shed do a great job of
hitting seams off the dribble. They were cutting Cleveland's defense
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to pieces last night at the point of attack. Or
they'll use post ups and ISOs from guys like Scottie
Barnes or Brandon Ingram to draw attention for their kickouts
and so as a result, they generate a lot of
spot up opportunities and for all to talk about their
jump shooting, which was the big story coming into the season, like, hey,
they've got a lot of playmaking talent in that lineup,
Like Scottie Barnes is a high level playmaker. RJ. Barrett
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is hit or miss, but he's grown as a playmaker
over the years. Emmanuel Quickly can make reads. Brandon Ingram
and Scotty Barnes are two of the better passing forwards
in the league. Yaka pertles a guy that can playmake
out of the center position. So they have a lot
of playmaking talent. The question was will they be able
to shoot enough? And we talked a lot over the
early part of the season about how they were going
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to have to be a team that would break teams
down with like multiple driving kick sequences because they have
a playmaking advantage. But the thing is is they've been
shooting the ball super well. They're getting one point zero
eight points per jump shot to start the year, which
ranks seventh in the NBA. So for a team that
we thought would be a bottom ten jump shooting team,
they've been a top ten jump shooting team to start.
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They're shooting forty three percent on unguarded catch and shoot threes,
and like, there are certain guys that like maybe they're
shooting a little above their paygrade, so to speak. Scottie
Barnes is shooting the ball super well to start the season.
Jamal Shed's shooting the ball super well. But it's a
lot of they're good shooters that are knocking down shots,
Like there's some of this that feels translatable to me.
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And then they've been lethal off the dribble. They're forty
nine percent on mid range pull ups, in forty percent
on pull up threes, which is driving the high level
jump shooting. And so in a stretch where they've won
six out of seven, they've actually logged offensive ratings in
the half court just in the half court of at
least one hundred and seven in four of those seven games.
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That's a really strong, consistent half court offense. And it's
because you're seeing the playmaking talent which is abundant in
that starting group, but guys are also knocking down jump
shots paying off those sequences. Now, whether or not they're
able to maintain that level of half court efficiency is
going to come down to whether or not they can
maintain the shooting. I trust the driving kick. They have
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dudes who can pressure the rim, they have dudes who
can make the kickout passes. Collectively, they can manage the
driving kick sequences. They just have to continue to pay
it off by knocking shots down. And so that heavy
transition based attack, the heavy driving kickbased attack, that's causing
them to have extremely balanced scoring. The ball is not sticking,
it's moving a lot, and so for instance, sixty nine
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percent of their baskets are assisted. That's a super high
assist percentage that ranks fifth in the entire NBA. Here
in the early going this season, in the seven game stretch,
during the six to one stretch, they don't have a
single player averaging over twenty points per game, but they
have six players averaging at least ten points per game,
basically all of the starters, and then Sandra Mamukelashvili who
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came into the game and really kicked Larry Nance's butt
last night, especially in that first half shift. And then
for being a team that passes the ball at time,
they don't turn it over much. They have the seventh
best turnover rate in the league. So a really bright
spot on offense for a team that we were worried
about coming into the season about whether or not they
would be able to score the basketball enough, especially in
the half court. So winning six out of seven has
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moved Toronto up to sixth in the East. They're seventh
in offense for the whole season, sixteenth in defense for
the whole season. If I was trying to pick them apart,
I'd say, well, they're jump shooting, will probably cool off
a bit. But if I was defending them, I'd counter
that by saying They're probably going to be much better
defensively as we get into the larger sample. Right, That's
what we saw post All Star Break last year, a
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dominant Toronto Raptors defense, and that's already starting to happen.
In their last seven games, their fourth in defensive rating
while maintaining a top ten offense. So even if their
offense does cool off a little bit, they still look
like a pretty good team off of the strength of
that defense. And again, that playmaking is manifesting in some
high level driving kick sequences for some quality shots. They're
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just a scrappy and fun team to watch. They defend
and run the floor super well. They play a fun
brand of selfless drive and kick basketball in the half court.
Really nice start to the season for the Toronto Raptors.
All right, let's get into our mailbag. First question, Although
on a limited sample size, I think Danis Jenkins showed
flashes of great shot creation as a lead ball handler
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and can be a long term solution for the Pistons
backup point guard. He defended well and was impressive in
the pick and roll. Thanks Jason, You're the best basketball
probably got. Thank you so much for the kind words
and for supporting the show. I'm excited for you Pistons fans.
We've got a couple of Pistons questions here to start
the mailbag, and they are playing some really damn good
basketball to start the year. So Danis has had a
couple of big games in a row now in more
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of an off ball role. In the Washington game off
of Cade, he had twenty five points, including some huge
catch and shoot threes late in regulation that sent game
to overtime. And then against the Bulls, with Kid Cunningham
and Jalen Duran out of the game, he steps into
a featured ball handling role. He ran twenty ball screens
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in that game, including passes, and generated twenty five points.
It's one point twenty five points per possession, which is great. Now,
obviously it's way too small to sample size for us
to just be like he's the best backup ball handler
option they have. They're gonna be fine. This is the
perfect guy for this role. You obviously need to see
a lot more over time in order to make that
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sort of judgment call. But he's definitely an interesting player.
He's got some real wiggle to his game, a good
change of pace. His handle is pretty sharp. He's able
to get to his spots for little mid range pull ups.
There's good energy transfer and good fluidity going from his
dribble into his shot. He's a pretty good rim finisher
for a slender guard like He's sixty two percent on
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layups so far this year. That's a strong number. He
broke through a few times all the way to the
rim in the Chicago game, although Chicago's a pretty bad
paint defense. And then he can make the pick and
roll reads like he made simple reads like a little oh,
you're digging down off of Duncan Robinson all the way
down to the nail. Let me just throw this swing
pass at Duncan Robinson. Or he can make the pocket
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pass as he hit Paul Read several times in the
pocket throughout the game, including twice in crunch time for
big time shots to help close that game out. There
was a nasty one where Paul had kind of like
spun into a seal, opening up his right hand for
a layup on the left side of the basket or
a right hand for the pass. I should say he
finished with his left, but on the play, Dannis Jenkins
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ends up kind of like throwing like an underhanded bounced
pass off of a live dribble that fit through a
really tight window and just kind of fed beautifully up
into Paul Reid's gathered so that he could just go
up and finish with his left hands, a really high
level piece of playmaking. And then he's starting to make
some of the more advanced reads as well, like he
made two corner skips in the second half, including a
left handed bounce pass driving along the left side that
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got all the way to the corner, generated some quality
three point looks. So it was some high level pick
and roll basketball from Dannis Jenkins in that game. The
thing I like the most about his game is he's
a good off ball score Like he can be aggressive
off the catch, spotting up off of CAID, which means
if JB. Bickersav ends up in a situation where he
wants to skew a little bit more towards ball handling
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and shooting, like a guy that could play off of
CAID as a catch and shoot player, but that can
also run second side action at a higher level, I
think that Dannis just gives him another option to go
to there. So overall, even if you're not sure what
his role looks like in the big picture, it's certainly
never a bad thing to have a young player pop
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the way that Danis is popping here early in the season.
One more Pistons question, and this was a really interesting
kind of case that was brought up Hi Jason. Given
Detroit's strong start to the season, everyone seems to be
automatically running mock running mock drafts Lorie to running mock,
Laurie to Detroit trades. Excuse me. I love Lourie's theore
me fit alongsize KD alongside Kid. However, he doesn't solve
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the secondary playmaking initiation issues, assuming IVY is part of
the deal. Instead, I'm more interested in someone like MPJ.
It wouldn't cost nearly as much to get him compared
to LORI. He adds more size to our wing rotation,
and his role would essentially be the Malik Beasley irrational
confidence jackup shots at a six' ten. Frame in this,
scenario k doesn't have a clear co, star but BETWEEN, Mpg,
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duran and iv we'd have three guys who could drop
twenty on any given, night and you'd Trust kid to
keep everyone. Fed how do you envision this Theoretical KID,
IVY Mpj Asar duran lineup working and would you inquire
ABOUT Mpj the deal would likely Be Tobias duncan And
sasser Or clintman plus second round. Picks thanks as always
for your. Content this one got me thinking this. Morning
(14:48):
the marketing stuff has been flying around for a, while
and you make some interesting points about how you Know
laurie's having a great, season but he's definitely not WHAT
i would consider to be like a high level ball handler,
initiator and that reflects on. Synergy doesn't run a ton
of self created, possessions and when he, has he hasn't
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been super. Efficient that's never really been his. Game he
is very much the textbook example of the week side scoring,
forward the guy that's going to attack and do a
lot of damage as a score off the, catch usually
off of an advantage that someone else creates for. Him
and then he'll mix in some scoring off of screens
(15:29):
and you, know he'll do a lot of damage and
transition and stuff like. That but for the most, part
he is a week side score. Right and so what
you're talking about here is a guy who makes over
fifty million dollars that basically fulfills the role of weak
side scorer that is not that secondary playmaker, initiator, Right
and so your pitch, here which is basically, like, Hey
(15:51):
Michael Porter junior can do eighty percent of What laurie
does as a week side scoring forward and you probably
don't have to nearly as much in terms of draft
compensation or. Salary AND i just think that makes a
ton of. Sense you're looking theoretically for an upgrade on
(16:11):
what That Tobias harris position. Is Tobias harris is also
that weak side score. Slash maybe you can throw it
down to the post to him a little bit kind of.
Guy tobias obviously is a better perimeter defender than a
guy Like Michael porter. Junior But Michael Porter junior is
a when he's locked in and, engaged WHICH i would
assume he would be In, detroit he is a good
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help side like secondary rim. Protector he's a very good defensive.
Rebounder there's a lot of stuff That Michael Porter junior
does that would add layers to this. Team and as
good of a rebounding team As detroit has been on
the offensive end of the, floor they are not a
very good defensive rebounding. Team and SO i Think Michael
Porter junior could actually help anchor them. There this makes
a lot of sense to. ME i, mean obviously you
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still have that secondary playmaking initiation piece to figure, out
but like you're not burning any real assets to go
out after this type of, deal and so you still
have time to essentially see If jade And ivy can
come back and become that, player or you, know see
If Dannis jenkins can continue to become you, know a
secondary like off the bench type of ball. Handler you
(17:14):
could get more time to take take data in and
then at the end of the, season if you need
to turn around and make a bigger deal for someone
like A Devin, booker or if something like that happens
to materialize down the, line you can confront. That BUT
i think The Michael Porter junior type of target makes
a ton of. Sense he's, Achievable he's not going to
cost a. Ton you don't have to do as much
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to match. Salaries if You're, brooklyn you already got a
first round pick and The Michael Porter junior. Deal so
say you turned that into say you Turned Cam johnson
into a first and two seconds plus whatever else you
get in that in that trade. Package it's it's it's
an interesting. IDEA i think it makes a lot of.
SENSE i love the. Idea Michael Porter junior did a
ton of damage With denver as a transition three point,
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shooter running his, lane run to the, corners trailing the
play at the top of the, key knocking down. Shots
that was such a huge aspect To detroit's transition attack last.
Year kick ahead shooting the guys Like Tim Hardaway junior
And Malik. Beasley it makes a lot of. Sense you
make a great. Pitch i've been thinking about it a
lot this. MORNING i like the idea Of detroit targeting
someone Like Michael Porter. Junior today's show is brought to
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we gonna get to see you on an episode OF.
Dnvr it would be cool to see you on the
couch at the bar with THE dnvr guy's best crossover.
Ever i'm not sure, when if at, All i'll be
able to link up with THE dnvr guys will. SEE
i won't write it, off BUT i am working With
Adam mares FROM dmvr On. Fridays i'm actually gonna be
recording with him here in about a half hour live
on The ALL nba podcast where we go Every friday
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at nine Am pacific. Time so working With adam a
little bit this. Year not sure what's gonna happen with D.
Mvr we'll see in the long, Run i'm not opposed
to popping in and hanging out with those guys for a.
Game next, question after The magic bully The knicks last,
NIGHT i just wanted to know where you stand with. Them,
obviously they have been underwhelming this season And palo is
out for a few games now with the groin, injury
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but it seemed Like bain is finding his role with
the team and understanding how to get his. Shots, this
along With franz shooting the three better and already being
one of the best drivers in the, league makes me
upmistic about. Them If pallo can find his, form which
he hasn't so. Far great, show keep it the good.
Work thank you for supporting the. Show so The magic
have found a little bit of. Rhythm they've won five
out of, seven starting to show some signs of life on.
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Offense they have a one nineteen offensive rating in that.
Span you Mentioned franz shooting the ball well from. Three
i'd Include Anthony black in that discussion as, Well and,
like here's the, Thing it's not like either of those
guys are lighting the nets on, fire but just starting
to pay off more of those sequences that end up
in wide open looks for An Anthony black or for Fnz.
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Wagner those going in closer to forty percent of the
time rather than you, know in the low thirties high.
Twenties that makes a big difference in paying off some
of those. Sequences i'd also Say Anthony, black you, KNOW
i didn't really enjoy his on ball reps early in the,
season but he's starting to get a little. Better he
had a couple of really nice finishes in that second
half Against New, york and his floater is looking really.
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Nice he's actually five for seven on floaters to start this,
year and he hit a couple of big floaters down
the stretch against The. KNICKS i think the transition game
has played a big. Role it makes, sense you're such
a big athletic, defense you should be defending and you
should be. Running they torched The knicks and transition in that.
Game they just have so many big downhill athletes that
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they can hit seams before the defense gets set and
they can get to the rim pretty. Easily there's a
classic example of that in the first half From tristan To,
silva where they run the ball up the. Floor it's
a semi transition. Sequence tristan has it on the right
wing And Jalen brunson's on, him but because The knicks
don't have their defense, set no one's, gapping and because
no one's, gapping it effectively is like a, big, old
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wide open one on one For tristan Against. Jalen he
just hits a little dribble move off to his, left
gets his right shoulder Into, brunson and just kind of
fends him off because he's so much bigger and stronger than,
him and gets an, easy little left handed. Layup that's
a driving lane that's not going to be there for
the half court situations For orlando because of some of
their jump shooting problems, Right so like those defense of
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transition sequences are a huge way that they can bolster
their otherwise limited. Offense from time to. Time Franz is
torching teams with those semi transition drives at a bunch
against The knicks as, Well AND i did like some
of their intentionality in the half court against The. KNICKS
i still wish they'd run more two man game With
palo And. Bain they ran one in the first quarter
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Where bain came off of A palo screen so it wasn't.
Inverted it was just a regular ball screen with palo
screening For. Bain but once, Again knicks didn't want to
switch because most teams don't want to switch that. Action
So bain was able to essentially just easily turn the
corner and got a wide open left handed. Layup and
every TIME i see, THAT i just want to scream
at the screen about how it could all be so
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easy if you guys just continue to target that sort
of defensive conundrum that you can put teams in with that.
Action BUT i do want to give them some. Credit
they were ruthless Posting Franz wagner Against New York's smalls
in that, game and he killed them right at the
front of the rim throughout that. Game that's good. INTENTIONALITY
i liked how often they Put Desmond bayn in the
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weak side corner when they were attacking on the opposite
side of the. Floor that's the spot where teams are
most likely to help off of. Him so if he's
not going to be involved in the, action put him
somewhere where he can pay it. Off and he was
getting left open in that left corner by The, knicks
and he had a couple of huge. THREES i think
he had three total out of the left corner in the,
game but two big ones in the second. Half that's
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another good bit of. Intentionality this team is super. Talented
if they defend and get out in, transition and if
they play a little bit more intentional in the half
court in terms of how they, attack they're going to
win a lot of. Games they have the. Pieces let's
just hope That pallo can recover from his groin injury.
Quickly next, QUESTION i don't see The warriors roster being
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good enough to win two or more series in The.
West The warriors had often been interested In Anthony davis
over the years Since kadie left The. Warriors from the,
SALARIES ad For butler OR ad For green and kaminga
plus any non minimum player would you trade for? Ad
love your, Show, jason thank you so much for supporting the.
Show so here's the. Thing in, PRINCIPLE i love the
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idea Of Anthony davis playing for The. Warriors you don't
have to overthink. That it's just really fun to imagine
like a real, athletic switchable rim protector In Golden state's defensive.
SYSTEM i think offense it's a little more. Clunky ad
is not the best read and react player That i've
ever watched at the center. Position he could be a
little slow to interpret what the defense is, doing and
(25:30):
he can struggle with double teams and guys that come
swarming from his backside when he's not. Looking there's also
like an opportunity kind of element here where it's, like
what If Anthony davis could be got for? Cheap but
really it falls apart for two. Reasons for. Me, One
Anthony davis has consistently in his career shown up in
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camp out of, shape which has led to him putting
a ton of mileage on his body early in the
season when he's trying to drop, weight and then he
inevit gets hurt because he's not in playing shape when
he's trying to. Play and then he comes into camp
this year bigger than he's ever. Been there's another photo
floating around the other day of him looking kind of.
Big Anthony davis is, that in my, opinion the textbook
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example of a guy that kind of exacerbates his own
injury issues because of his consistent problem with showing into camp.
Overweight and his reasoning is, like, WELL i drop weight
during the, SEASON i need to come in heavy so
THAT i can drop weight to the right playing. Weight
but whatever benefit he's getting from like being at the
right playing weight later on in the, season he's losing
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in the form of his body just getting beat the
hell from him carrying all this extra weight in a
league that is heavily up and down in, transition and
that's asking him to cover a lot of ground in
rotation as a big that can be mobile on the.
Perimeter and SO i don't think it's a trade off
that has worked FOR. Ad and so there's a huge
injury risk FOR ad who's once again injured. Again and
then the second piece of it is with the, Salaries
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like you Trade Jimmy butler FOR, ad you're plugging one
hole and creating. Another Jimmy butler's your secondary shot, creator,
Right and DO i Think Anthony davis when he's, healthy
is a better player Than Jimmy, Butler, probably but not
by enough of a margin to justify that swap when
you're creating another, hole And jimmy's demonstrated himself to be
more available as of. Late and then as soon as
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you Include Draymond green in the, MIX i think you're
just so fundamentally altering the way the team plays on
offense because Of Draymond green's ability to play in that you,
know high post like passing folkrum type of, role hitting
backcutters and slipping out of ball. Screens and you, KNOW
i was watching the game Against spurs on against The
spurs On, wednesday and it's just like so apparent when
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you watch The warriors how Important draymond is as a
passing folkrum for that. Offense and so as soon as
you give Up, draymond whatever benefit you get from ad
is mitigated to a certain, extent and then you bring
the injury issues to the to the. Forefront so it's
worth exploring just simply becau As Anthony davis could be
had for relatively. Cheap but as soon AS i dug
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into it a little, BIT i didn't really like the
move for The. Warriors next, Question WHENEVER i watch The warriors,
DEFENSE i noticed that a lot of their defense is
predicated on, overhelping which leads to open threes for the other.
Team what is the thought process of always. Overhelping i'm
trying to understand whether this is happening due to lack
of size and mobility on the. Roster if it's more
of a defensive philosophy that they're sticking, to definitely a defensive.
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Philosophy this has been a consistent thing throughout The steve
Kerr are. Era this is a team that, swarms and
they do. It there's a couple of different elements to
keep in mind. Here, one this is an excellent close out.
Team every year THAT i watch The, WARRIORS i find
them to be one of the best two or three
teams THAT i watch every year in terms of flying
around in rotation and chasing guys off the, line commitment
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to being in the paint to help to, swarm but
also getting back out to the. Perimeter, now they can
have nights where their closeouts aren't as, sharp and then
it looks like they're just leaving a bunch of dudes
and it can look like a flawed defensive. Scheme but,
ultimately especially in high leverage, moments clutch, situations the, playoffs
whenever they're really locked in for a regular season, GAME
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i look at them as a team that can swarm and,
recover AND i think it's a strong foundation for them.
Defensively the second piece of it is very much by,
design which is this is a team that wants to
try to Get Steph curry and chaos as much as.
Possible they Want Steph curry to be operating without a set.
Defense so instead of like this guy's locking and, trailing
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he's grabbing his jersey and he's holding them all over
the floor and every one of the other four defenders
is keyed in on him so that they can be
ready for him as he comes off of. Screens they
want like offensive rebounds off of corner crashes where he
can get open kind of like the shot that he
hit off of The Gary payton offensive rebound to help
close the game Against San. Antonio right, like they want,
Chaos and one of the best ways to generate chaos
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For Steph curry to where he can find openings is in.
Transition and one of the best ways to get into
transition is to force. Turnovers and one of the best
ways to force turnovers is to swarm in the paint
and get deflections as guys are trying to make, kickouts
and then even on the kickouts whenever they miss a.
Three missed threes usually lead to long. Rebounds long rebounds
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usually lead to transition. Opportunities so even if they give
up a certain amount of wide open catching three opportunities
as part of that defensive, scheme it is made up
for in the long, rebounds the, turnovers and the transition.
Opportunities this is A warriors team that is top ten enforcing,
turnovers AND i think they get like twenty points a
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game off of. Turnovers it's like a huge part of
the way that they score the. Basketball so ultimately it's by.
Design and then whenever they end up in high leverage,
MOMENTS i never feel like teams are comfortably shooting. THREES
i feel like they're facing pretty intense closeouts from one
of the best close out teams in the. League, Hey,
jason really enjoy your. Show, question if you were to
pick any role player from The thunder to put on The,
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lakers irrespective of, contracts who would you select and? Why
Lou Dort, absolutely no. QUESTION i Think Loue dort is
that perfect combination of, like stick him on the other
team's best player and he's gonna be unscreenable and he's
gonna make that dude super uncomfortable all. GAME i think
it unlocks more deep drop looks For DeAndre, ayton WHICH
i think is a, better better kind of configuration for,
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him because right, now his best defensive trade is just
that he's big and athletic around the. Rim once you
start asking him to cover in space or to really you,
know switch and be in different spots on the, floor
it can be a little bit more. Complicated so a
guy like Lou dort would slot in and just solve
a lot of their issues, defensively and then he's a
guy who can knock, down, catching shoot, threes drive close,
out says a little bit off the, dribble pop plays
(31:35):
super hard every single. Game Lou dort would be the
kind of guy THAT i think would be perfect In Fantasy,
world because obviously that's never going to, happen all, Right
two more, questions, guys thoughts on A Devin vessel trade
to The. Lakers vaselle doesn't fully fit the timeline In San.
Antonio fox is already an established guard And castle And
harper are very, young and therefore projects would be a
(31:56):
good trade for both. Teams it looks like thanks, Again,
jason love the. Show keep up with great. Work thank
you some much for supporting the. SHOW i really appreciate.
It i'm not the big the Biggest Devin vassell fan
in the. World he's certainly a good. PLAYER i don't
want to like undercut him, here but he's a scoring
guard that doesn't particularly score the ball that well or
at that uh in terms of volume or. Efficiency and
(32:18):
then in terms of like this scrappy defense, stuff he's
not as good a defender as, scrappy as like a,
rebounder grab loose balls kind of guy as some of
the Other San antonio. Guards AND i think The lakers need.
SCRAPPY i also think they need more of a small
forward than they need a two. Guard SO i don't
love The Devin vessel fit for The. Lakers that wouldn't
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be a guy That i'd be. Targeting, now what Will
San antonio do With Devin? VESSEL i have no. Idea
he makes a lot of money, now and once you
enter into that, situation it becomes more. Complicated you have
to match. Salaries i'm not sure there's gonna be much
of a market for him in a trade if you had,
to if you put a gun to my head and
ask me to guess what's gonna happen With Devin, VESSEL
i think he's more likely going to be salary, filler
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like the interesting young player that, is like the salary
filler that The spurs attach assets to to try to
get a better player. Back and that's if they move
him at. All BUT i definitely don't like him as
a target for The. Lakers last question is the addition
Of jonas valanciunis the most significant change to The nuggets
versus last year more than a, coach, player, development and
(33:23):
other personnel. Ads jokic looks fresher with the longer bench
stays and expresses it by being more efficient even for,
him he only played thirty four minutes to get to
his fifty. Five, also how are you Liking? Colorado love
it In. Colorado i'm a little frustrated by the lack of.
Snow it's made our skiing venture a little bit. Delayed
but allegedly at some point in the next two weeks or,
(33:46):
so temperatures are going to drop. Significantly we should help
their snowmaking. Operations and then there's allegedly going to be
some storms coming, through so hopefully some snow comes. Through
but loving it. Here love the. Weather it's like sunny
all the, time which is. Amazing the basketball scene here is.
Incredible i'm playing in a couple of men's, leagues and
one in, particular The Charles Whitlock league On wednesday. Nights
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that is like awesome competition and like every team has
like a half dozen dudes who used to play in,
college and Every, Wednesday i'm getting like engaged competitively in
a way THAT i haven't in a long, time Which
i've really. Enjoyed just need to get back on the,
slopes so hopefully The i've done three days so far this,
season but it's been a keystone In breckenridge where they've
only had one run, open so it hasn't been the
(34:29):
best skiing in the. World but hopefully within the next
month or So i'll be able to get that. Going
as far as ever. Goes, SO i would argue that
it's a little bit deeper than Just Jonas. Malincunis It's
jonas and just overall the amount of bench. Talent it's
it's weird to look at statistically because there's still minus
seven net so losing The jokic off minutes by seven
(34:53):
points per one hundred. Possessions that seems like a high,
NUMBER i, mean like a bad high, number, Right but
that's actually better than. Usual they're pretty traditionally in, that
like eleven eleven and a half points were like negative
With yokich off the. Floor so it's better than it
used to. Be but the WAY i think it's manifesting
is that they're still having some really bad games or
(35:15):
they lose their ass With jokic off the. Floor clippers
was another example of. That but the big thing that's
standing out to me is they're having more good bench,
Games like they're having games like The kings game where
their bench comes in And Yonas valanciutas is bullying them
on the offensive, glass And Bruce brown's hitting threes And
Jamal murray's cooking the other team's backup guard and they
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blow a game open With jokic off the. Floor Like
so in the large, sample it's, better not that much,
better but they're winning some games with their bench this,
year which is something that didn't happen in the. Past
AND i think the point you're making about Keeping jokic's
minutes down as another big part of what is driving
that success relative to previous. Seasons all, right, guys it's
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ALL i have for today is always to sincerely appreciate
you guys for supporting us and supporting THE sho. Again
feel free to join us on playback tonight For Spurs
warriors or tomorrow night For Lakers. Bucks i'll see you guys.
Then if, not THEN i will see you On monday
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