3 & Out - Reaction to Dak Prescott & Cowboys BLOWOUT WIN vs. Geno Smith & Raiders - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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light up the Raiders like a Christmas tree and I
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game like this, right, you're trying like last night, the
angle was pretty kind of just speaks to you. Jared Goff,
Dan Campbell. It's a pretty clear headline. That game also
has huge ramifications, right. The Lions who have been in
the playoffs back to back years. They were in the
NFC Championship two years ago. Last year they were the
number two seed, the Eagles of the defending champs. There's

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a lot going on last night this game. You're looking
at Dallas, who probably, if I had to guess right now,
Dallas ends up going seven to nine and one and
the Raiders might win three games. So it's like, what
am I going to talk about? What is interesting about
this game? And I have a noa a lot of
Raider fans, and I'm getting texts from from die hards.

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I'm getting a lot of dms, and I think it's
been on the front of everyone's mind because when they
hired this guy, I thought like we saw two first
year coaches for their teams this year. Obviously Pete's been
a coach for a long time, but first year with
the Raiders. Same thing with Brian Schottenheimer. I think the
one thing that's not debatable now the Cowboys have a
long way to go, and we'll dive into kind of

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their roster management. Brian Schottenniver's good with the offense. Him
and Dak have a really good rapport. George Pickens has
looked excellent with him obviously when CD's on the field.
Like Brian Schottenneimer, how he'll be when the team gets
better if they hit on some defensive players, only time
will tell, but his skill is pretty legit, Like he's
a pretty good play caller. I'm looking at Pete Carroll,

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who is seventy four years old, and if he makes
it to the next football season, we'll be seventy five.
I think when you look at the Raiders, it's kind
of sad. My wife is born and raised in the
Bay Area, the East Bay, which would be in theory
more Raider territory, but you know, she's in her early thirties.
It's most people her age and she's been around are

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Niner fans. But historically the Raiders on that side of
the bridge in the seventies and in the eighties kind
of owned it before they took off to LA And
she looked at me, She's like, are the Raiders ever good?
And in fairness to her, for the last twenty years,
they have been awful, and they are consistently always bad.

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And I listen, I Spy Tech's been on this podcast.
I don't know him that well, though I know a
lot of people that know him well, and clearly coming
from Jason Light, I do think the guy's good at
his job and will be good at his job. And
obviously Tom Brady's track record playing the game speaks for itself,
and now he's involved in kind of this somewhat mysterious

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role obviously he is a whatever owns a percentage of
the team, but like, how much influence does he have?
And here's the other thing. Just because you're a great
player doesn't mean you're some great evaluator. Right, Just because
you are a great quarterback doesn't mean you understand what's
gonna separate Ty Simpson from Lenora Sellers from Fernando Mendoza, Right,

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Like I would imagine there are people that do this
for a living that would rank those guys better than
Tom Brady might rank them. So there's a lot of
moving parts there. But when they hired Pete Carroll, I thought,
this is a smart move. It just will give them
a guy that knows what he's doing and get the
train going back on the tracks in the right direction.

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That doesn't mean in the next couple of years making
the playoffs, but just be a credible operation. And I
get it's only year one, but you're watching this team.
They are horrendous. They are so bad at football. I
mean I was thinking about this about ten minutes into
the game. I was like, this game if this was
on a Sunday, especially like a Sunday morning with six

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or seven other games on the overwhelming majority of football
fans would not put this on one of their four boxes.
And if you're a sickle like me and have multiple TVs,
it would get stashed on the smaller one in a
box in the corner, and after Dak through a couple touchdowns,
you wouldn't pay attention. This game is completely irrelevant, and

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I do think it's somewhat of a refraction of Pete Carroll.
And I think we have to ask ourselves, does this
make any sense to have a guy who will be
seventy five years old next year on a team with
that we know for a fact has two good players
Brock Bowers and Max Crossby. I hope Ashton Genty's good
right now, while it's impossible to tell he currently has

(06:31):
no impact right So they have two good players. They
are in a division that is absolutely loaded with the Chiefs,
the Broncos, and once the Chargers get a couple offensive
linemen back, they should win double digit every year with
Jim Harbaugh. So you go, what are we doing? And
I think the question is do you fire Pete Carroll

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after this year? And I think the Giants taught us
a good lesson. I think sometimes you want to be
patient for the sake of patients, just to say I'm
not crazy, We're not flying by the seat of our pants,
We're not just firing guys to fire guys. And then
there is we've all watched football long enough, you know.

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I think if you get on the internet, you see
a lot as Pete Carroll washed, and I still think
his passions there. He honestly looks the same as he
did ten years ago when he was in his mid sixties. Physically,
I would imagine his energy to attempt to do this.
He had a year off and was desperate to get
back in. So when I see is he washed? Like

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I think the same characteristics and standards and philosophies that
were successful when he was at SC and early on
in Seattle, that he carried through for almost, you know,
for over a decade, I think he's carrying those through
that now with the same energy and effort. I think
the problem is is this team needs to be torn

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down to the studs and completely start over. I thought
they should have traded Max Crosby last year, but Pee
Carrol wouldn't want to trade Max Crosby, right Pikerrol's seventy
four years old. Pee Carroll wants to have a Max Crosby. Hell,
he's starting Jamal Adams at linebacker right now. I looked up,
I was like, who is that thirty three lined up
like ray Lewis? I mean, he's just starting linebacker. So

(08:16):
I think that shows you who was pound on the
table for that trade. And Pete Carroll's not in a
position to do a start over. He's not in a
position to do a rebuild. His mind is not wired.
You think like that, rightfully. So he'll be seventy five
years old next year. So I would say philosophically, his
beliefs in football of trying to win, compete every day,

(08:37):
and trying to win right now. When you're making moves
in January, February, in March, building the team for training
camp in the season, how is John Spytech going to
view what he just witnessed throughout this season the same
as Pete Carroll for what he will want for week one.
They will not be aligned. So I think it's fair. Listen,

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we all make mistakes. The Raiders feel like they make
more than others, though I think a lot of their
mistakes I've understanded why they've made. Him When it comes
to coaches recently, Like I understood why Mark Davis hired
John Gruden. He wanted some fireworks. He was trying to
get a new stadium. He was trying to move. He

(09:18):
needed a headliner. A little bit like back in the
day when Jerry Jones hired Bill Parcells to get his
stadium built. The forty nine Ers did the same thing
with Jim Harbaugh to get Levi Stadium built. You kind
of needed a headliner, and I thought it was the
right move. Obviously, a lot of stuff happened. Didn't make
it through five years. A couple of years later, he
hired Josh McDaniels. Totally understood that one. He couldn't even

(09:40):
make it through year two. This year, Pete Carroll like, okay,
just everyone take a deep breath. It's just not working.
And you hired Chip Kelly, who hasn't been a good
offensive coordinator in over a decade, and pay him six
million dollars a year. That's an insane move. So listen.
One thing about Pete Carroll you could say, is like
does he know who to hire? He's like, well, who

(10:02):
do you bring in for his defensive coordinator? Well, he
just kept the guy that Josh had brought Patrick Graham
from New England, who's really good, so that guy he
just inherited him. The one move that he had to
make that was really important was the offensive coordinator, and
clearly he hired a guy that's not very good at
his job, and it cost him four x what would
have cost some random dude from a Shanahan coaching tree.

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So it's like, why are you doing this? And one
thing about Pete Carroll Google him. He has fired a
lot of coaches, especially offensive coordinators. So if Pete Carroll
is able to survive, Chip Kelly will one hundred percent
be fired. I just think if you're John Spytech, you
start looking at Mark Davis and Tom Brady and go, listen,
this is not working out and we might need to

(10:44):
separate ourselves because what we need to do. And this
sucks because he's an awesome player. He tries his balls
off and he's very passionate about this brand. You know,
there's only been a couple of players. And I've spent
a lot of time around the Raiders since I left
the NFL in twenty thirteen, so for over a decade
that like truly like kind of bled silver and black

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right like kind of like an Al Davis type, like
love the brand. And that was Derek Carr, and that's
Max Crosby. Most of these other players are complete mercenaries.
They do not give a shit. Khalil Mack the moment
they wouldn't sniff his demands was like, get me out
of here. Amari Cooper couldn't have got out of here
fast enough. You know. Max Crosby has tattoos with the Raiders' logo,

(11:29):
obviously desperately wants to win, has ingrained himself in that
community as boys would Dana White, like, he's a big
Vegas guy, but it's completely pointless to have him on
the team. But Pete Carroll would never want to give
that up because that's not gonna help him out in
twenty twenty six. But if you're if you're spy tech,
I think you have to look at it like this.
This is stupid, This is a joke, Like our team

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is going nowhere, and we have two players of value,
and that's that's him and Brock Bowers. And I think
you could justify trading that both next offseason because your
team is not a year away from being two years away.
I think We have to acknowledge that as well, because
you look around the quarterback class like that's what Dallas has.
You know, Dallas has multiple first round picks, and they

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have three first round picks the next two years. And
now they have some defensive tackles. They need to hit
on some defensive players. But they have a quarterback who
is more than competent. Does he have some flaws, yes,
but he's a real quarterback. And they've invested a ton
of draft capital in their offensive line, and I think
they're going to be pressured to have to keep George
Pickens to go with Ceedee Lamb. And like their offense,

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Ferguson's under contract is really good, is really explosive. They
need to build that defense, which let's be real, if
they do a good job this offseason, they probably could
flip it really quick. They are not that far away.
You never know when you draft a guy how impactful
he will be as a rookie. Some guys are better
than others. I'll use Khalil Mack as an example. He

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was pretty raw coming from Buffalo as a rookie. I
think he only had four and a half sacks. You
could see what the future look like right, but it
was not like he wasn't ready to be a pro
bowler all pro. So it's hard. But if they do
nail some picks and invest some I would say free
agency capital into the defensive side of the ball, I

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think Dallas Cowboys could be a playoff team in twenty
twenty six, and then I think we would really judge
Brian Schottenheimer a little bit differently than we are right now.
I don't see the Raiders have any chance to be
a six win team next year. They have no talent
their quarterback. I mean, if you don't have an offensive line,
Gino's got no shot the running back, like one thing

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I will disagree with the organization of I was never
on board with taking that guy number six overall. I
couldn't have done it, and they did. Now is he
as bad as he's looked? I don't know. Is that
a reflection of Chip Kelly? I don't know. I mean
I'm watching Brian Schottenheimer make George Pickens look like he's
Randy Moss. So it's like part of being a great

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offensive coordinator. Like at the end of the day, if
you're a defensive end, I can't make you look like
Miles Garrett or Khalil Mack. You either have the skills
to bend the edge to bull rush or you don't.
Like Quinnin Williams has skills at defensive tackle that all
the guys in the Raiders just do not possess. There
is no coaching up defensive players on the line of

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scrimmage right. There's no coaching up a corner in man
demand coverage, like you can either run a four to
four flat or you can't, and if you can't, you're
gonna get smoked by a lot of wide receivers. But
I can manipulate offense. I can scheme guys open. I
just saw this clip of Ben Johnson. They asked him
if he's gonna start like integrating more fifty to fifty

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concepts to his offense and throw some fifty to fifty
balls to his wide receivers. He's like, I don't know
if you've watched me in Detroit, but why don't run
fifty fifty balls. I don't like that. I like to
scheme guys open. What he's saying is like, I can
the delate this thing. I'm not gonna ask a guy
like we don't have Randy Bosston this team to just

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be in a one on one situation, just tell Caleb
throw it up. The Cowboys do some of that, but
they have great fifty to fifty wide receivers. But his
point was, like our skill with me running this thing
is I'm manipulating the defense and that's what a good
offensive coordinator does. And when you have a guy in
theory with Gent's skill set, like you should be able

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to manipulate some stuff, they don't even try. And I
just think the Raiders coaching staff is just completely broken.
And if I'm spytech, I try to do this in
a credible way, not trying to backstab anybody, but I'm
trying to separate from Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly immediately,
because that is those two guys are a sinking ship.

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And like I said with Dallas, I mean they are
a good offseason away from being a ten to eleven
win team next year. Because Brian Schottenheimer, once upon a
time was viewed as one of the best offensive coordinators
in the league and it just kind of went sided
ways on him. He kind of flew under the radar
and is he a great head coach? Will only know
with a better team. But he clearly is a pretty
good offensive coordinator, and he clearly has a fantastic relationship.

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Rapport and understanding of him and Dak are on the
same page. And I also give you credit when you're
an offensive coach, like can you handle some personalities? Because
not everyone's acquired boy in the NFL. We're not teaching
people life lessons here, and if you can produce, we're
gonna have a spot for you, especially in Dallas where
their owner is as open minded and as liberal with

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character issues as anyone. And let's face it, George Pickens
drove Mike Tomlin insane and they couldn't get rid of
him fast enough, which is kind of ironic that they
got rid of him for DK Metcalf. I be one thing,
It's like, yeah, we just traded him for you know whoever,
just some Terry McLaurin, Like I can see that. Like
DK Metcalf's a little bit of a wild card too,

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didn't he like lead the league in penalties the previous year,
had a bunch of personal fouls. Does have some issues
too with his play. And I'm watching George Pickens who
just feels every single time I watched the Cowboys. Is
just playing his tailoff, like he plays really hard, and
that was a knock on him. Was like, yeah, he
kind of goes through the motions, not that into it.
I'm watching a guy breaking tackles, looking to make plays,

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running hard. He's just pretty special talent. Now, I think
you're always nervous guy in a contract year, how much
money do you have to give him? You know, it's
he's not getting like Ceedee Lamb Jumar Chase money, but
it's not like he's making five million dollars. So anytime
you pay a guy, are you gonna get that consistent effort?

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And maybe you feel as long as you got Dak,
you got the infrastructure of the young offensive lineman who
you know, obviously look better against the Raiders. They I'm
trying to think a couple of weeks ago they played
someone and they were getting someone. Oh the Cardinals, Walter
Nolan and Sweat bade them look bad. So now Sweats
actually having a really good year. I think I think
he like second the league in sacks, or maybe that's

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maybe that's us Brian Burns thirteen behind Miles Gear. I
think Sweat is ninth, but so what's you know, pretty
high end player. Obviously Nolan very talented guy. But I
do think the Cowboys are not quite the laughing stock
that and I'm probably guilty of this too, that we
all made them out to be. They got a lot
going for him and now the pressures in the draft, where,
let's face it, they've been pretty good. Like the problem

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for the Cowboys has not been you know, if they
could just draft better. Like drafting hasn't been their issue.
I mean, it really hasn't. It's really been coaching. Uh,
it's been I mean, coaching has been a huge issue.
And Jerry Jones meddling in the situation that everything that's
going on in Dallas. Hell, the big article that came
around last year was players complaining about fans getting VIP

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tours in the facility. It's like, you know, I'm just
just trying to watch Eagles tape and I got a
billy from Section seven asking for my autograph on a
Tuesday afternoon eating a hot dog. It's like, yeah, it's
not normal, even though you know Dak just as he
kind of deals with it. I do think if I
if I could buy a little stock, I might buy
a little stocking Dallas. And part of it, too is

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their division. Isn't that hard? The Eagles got some offensive issues.
We have no clue. Just over the next couple of
years if it's Kevin Patola, even if they go to
the NFC championship, hell, they go to Super Bowl, like
he's gonna be their offensive coordinator with this is how
their offense gonna look because aj Brown's not gonna be
on the team next year. Now, their defense is really good,
but Washington is in complete shambles. And the Giants, I

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mean don't even have a coach. I mean they got
you got Cam Scattaboo at WWE Rawdennight in a cast.
You got Brian Burns, who was benched at the start
of the game there with him. The Giants right now
have a bunch of players, and I don't blame them
for going big Don was there with Cooper Dejean. The
Giants feel a little bit like, you know, they got

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the substitute teacher right that their parents went on a
cruise and they got the pushover babysitter. Those those cats
are living well. It's like you guys are losing a
lot of game games, but they're living like they are
seven win teams, So you look at the Cowboys would
not shock me at all next year if they are
just in the mix. A lot of pressure is gonna
be on these draft picks. You could also manipulate them,

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like if you're Dallas and Max Crosby is available, hey,
we'll give you a one and two twos for him,
Like what would it take to get him? I would
imagine Jerry Jones because again, part of the reason Jerry
traded for Quinn Williams they need defensive tackle help. But
it's like, well, he traded his one in twenty twenty seven,
here's gonna be like eighty seven years old. You think

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Jerry's worried about that first round pick, what he's doing
Like year four, he's like, the likelihood of me being
around is slim to none. So there's not much to
break down in this game. Beside, like, I do think
there's some big picture of stuff with these two franchises
that are kind of interesting. And I do think you
Dallas is humming on offense. Watching Dallas and Schottenheimer against

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Fangio and kind of this new revamped Eagles defense next
week gonna be pretty interesting. And here's the thing. And
this was kind of an indictment on the Raiders, like
if you can't get right against Dallas's defense, and I
know Adam Quentin Williams helps obviously a little bit, and
Quentin Willams could eat a little against Philadelphia. I mean
their guard center guard situation is not great. But you know,

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if you're Jalen, your aj and your DeVante, like, can
we score like three touchdowns against these guys? Can we
have some explosive place because if you can't do it
against these guys, it is gonna be a little alarming
if you're an Eagles team, like heading into the playoffs
where obviously you're gonna play some better defenses. So something
to keep an eye on. But congrats to the to

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the Cowboys on getting a big Monday night football win.
And I do think, you know, Pete Carroll can chomp
that gum and walk with those you know, white new
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New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. I wrote down why do
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I'm gonna start with the Atlanta Falcons, who I was
out on again this year. Now, I never believe that
they were going to be this bad, because I do
think there's a chance that they're like four and thirteen.
They have a chance now to completely unravel. It could
get really, really ugly. Reports today that Michael Pennix might
have retore his acl which I think would be on

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either knee because he's torn them both. Would be the
second time on a knee and would obviously be out
for this season and it would impact his offseason and
it would hit be his fourth season ending injury I
think in the last last year was in the last
eight years, so four season ending injuries in eight years
and I was texting around to some NFL buddies today

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and I obviously like Michael Penicks coming out, I was
a Michael Penix fan. Most of my friends in the
NFL were not. They did not view him as a
first round pick. I'm texting around today. He thought a
buddy of mine that he's There were several draft boards
where he just would have been off based on injuries
alone when you play six years in college. In three
of those, actually I think four of those, because a

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couple were like shoulders that you can't finish the season.
You know, alarms and red flags go off, and some
of that's, you know, predicated on what the doctors are
telling you. But that that gives teams. That scares teams
because guys with a lot of injury history, even though
the past doesn't always predict the future, you know, teams

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get very rattled by that. And obviously a lot of
teams did not view him highly like the Falcons did.
But the Falcons had a stretch where they signed Kirk
Cousins and drafted this guy in basically thirty days, and
it has destroyed their franchise because one Cousin signing is
one of the worst in recent memories, and Pennix even

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before he was injured. I think we have to acknowledge
it has not been a very good player. So when
you ruin the quarterback position and you're kind of cocky
about it, it's gonna get you in trouble. I do
think Atlanta the craziest part in this, saddens met Us
say is their downfall is actually benefiting the Los Angeles Rams.

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And I do think there had to be a moment
in the draft room where Sean McVay, who's I think
I don't know if it was best man in his wedding,
but one of his best friends is Raheem Morris, when
they got on the phone with less need in the
Rams and said, we will offer you a twenty twenty
six first round pick for James Pierce. And the Rams

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should have said, Raheem, we can't let you do that.
That is, we would fire you for doing that. So we,
just as your good friend, we would advise you to
rethink this idea. And they did not do that, and
they took their first round pick, and right now, the

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Rams a day after beating Seattle in first place in
the NFC West and looking like a team. I mean,
if they play like they did yesterday, would have a
chance to win the Super Bowl. Also own the eighth
pick in the draft. As we sit here on November seventeenth,
let me repeat, the Los Angeles Rams owned the eighth
pick in the draft. But here's the thing. How are

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the Atlanta Falcons going to win any games? We saw
Kirk Cousins earlier this season, It's completely over. Pennix is gone,
Drake London is now banged up. They are screwed so
I and now their defense isn't good. I mean Bryce
Young just threw for like seven hundred yards against them
in an overtime victory. I think the Atlanta Falcons are
a great example. You know, you look around the NFL,

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even like a team like the Lions right now that
have a bad loss, or the Packers that have gone,
they are in such a different universe than teams like Atlanta.
Like I will just if these were all stocks, you
would just short Atlanta every single year. In that move
that they made, trading a future first round pick, trading
up from the thirties to the twenties. Whether I agree

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or disagree with taking Travis Hunter number two overall, because
you think he can be a two way player, even
though no one's ever been a two way player, and
that includes his former coach, who is the greatest athlete
arguably of all time in the NFL. It could just
sparingly play on offense. It's at least you're going from
five to two, Like that's the cost of doing business

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when you trade back into the twenties to give a
future first round pick. It is honestly like some of
the most reckless draft behavior we have ever seen. And
it blew up in their face, Like immediately if I
just think, if you're the Rams, you're kind of downplaying it,
but I mean you got that in your back pocket.

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Less Snead is sending his scouts, like scouting all the
real high end guys. You know typically you know you're
watching whoever the quote unquote you know the kleb downs
or the defensive lineman from Ohio State or Miami and
you run into someone like the Eagles or you know,
the Ravens or the Chiefs, Like you're not drafting these guys.
Lesned's like top scouts to stand right next to the

(29:00):
dudes from the Giants and the Titans, like, yeah, we
might get this guy too. You know, it's like it's
just got to be an incredible feeling right now for
less need that was always f them picks, and now
he's gonna have a top ten pick. Pretty insane. And
speaking of why teams are bad, teams stay bad. The
New York Jets. I saw a headline today that Tyrod

(29:21):
Taylor will be their starting quarterback this year. I saw
one of the New York Jets. I think it might
have been rich Semini, you know who's the beat reporter
covers the team closely for ESPN. He tweeted out some
numbers that said if this offseason the Jets cut justin fields,
so the dead money they will have from that contract,

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and if you combine that with the dead money that
they will have for Aaron Rodgers' contract next year in
twenty twenty six, will combine for fifty seven million dollars
in dead cap. Somewhat understand the Aaron Rodgers thing. We
probably all would have made the Aaron Rodgers trade he

(30:03):
gave them, remember a massive discount when he redid his contract.
It kind of is what it is. That was a
move that ninety nine percent of people would have made.
Given their options and it blew up with their face.
The Justin Fields move did not need to happen. They
did not need to do that. Why because we all
knew that he's not a very good quarterback. Great guy,

(30:26):
unreal athlete, awful quarterback, and you're benching a guy that
you gave. It's one thing. Listen. Sometimes you know, we
gave this guy one year ten million dollars to be
the backup and he wasn't any good. It's happened to
Andy Dalton before. You know Flacco. I know he's kind
of good now, a couple of years ago, he wasn't
that good. Like sometimes you give backups one year, seven
million dollars and he's just not any good. To give

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this guy two years forty million dollars is about as
crazy as you get, you know, in the free agent market.
It really is. In this get the Jets. You look
at the Falcons, they have no clue what they're doing
when it comes to quarterback. They really do not remember
the Falcons before about Ryan, like what was going on there.

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Obviously Michael Vick went to jail, but like the draction
of Michael Vick number one, overall, they don't know what
they're doing. And if you look since it's like they've
had Desmond Ritter give cousins. It's like Heineke. These franchises.
Bad franchises are where quarterbacks go to die. And the

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Arizona Cardinals are a good example of like Jonathan Gannon
and Monty I always script the guy's last name, but
the GM of the Cardinals, I actually think they're not bad.
But they hits their wagon osen Fort, Monty Osenfort, former
Patriot guy. They hits their wagon to a team that

(31:54):
had Kyler Murray under one of the craziest contracts we've
ever seen. I mean the contrast. They felt so good
about the contract they had to put a clause in
there that he couldn't play video games, which has never
happened before and will never happen again when it comes
to a quarterback. And obviously when they accepted the job,
which I understand, they're only thirty two of them, and

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there aren't thirty two of them because most like the Ravens,
the Chiefs, the forty nine ers, like a lot of
these jobs don't ever come open, right, So it's really
the same tennis jobs that kind of recycle, right. The Jets,
the Giants, the Cardinals, the Jags. So you're gonna hit
your wag into a bad NFL job, even though it's

(32:38):
like not that bad. My wife's in real estate. When
Jonathan Gannon bought his house down, you know, closer to Tempe,
I remember googling or you know, she had all the like,
she has these programs like that. It's pretty big. Mortgage's
taken out. Business must be booming, so you make a
lot of money. And I think Jonathan Gannon actually is

(32:58):
pretty solid. But the team now is just a complete
that they have no quarterback, right, think about this. The
guy that they inherited on a max contract got bench
for Jacoby Brissett, who the last two weeks they've played
Seattle in the forty nine ers and they lost forty
four to twenty two and forty one to twenty two,
and neither game was that close. Like those scores don't

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indicate what we witnessed. And they're all gonna get fired
and it's all because they took a job with a
guy on a massive contract that's not a max player.
And you see this around the league when you sign
these guys to these huge contracts and they're not Max players.
You have immediate problems and guys' jobs are lost. And
I would say this about if all these guys get

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fired and maybe the GM kind of like the giants,
keeps their job, which is always kind of crazy, but
it happens more often than both guys getting blown out.
Is this is a terrible gig, It really is. I mean,
you're in a division with Sean McVeigh, Kyle shanahan and
Mike McDonald. You have no chance. Your owner's a clown.

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I mean he really is. The ownership has no clue.
He really doesn't. Like the best thing that could ever
happen to the Arizona Cardinals would be the Bidwell family
selling the team. I would say the same thing. You know,
Mark Davis's mom, Carol, who's Al's wife, just died. I
would say, the best thing that could ever happen to

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the Raiders is the same thing, just sell the team.
Look at the Bus family. You know, doctor Buss was
extremely successful and then he gave it to his incompetent kids,
and the franchise became a laughingstock and they got lucky.
They were in a great area and Lebron just wanted
to play there because if Lebron didn't want to play there.

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This franchise over the last decade plus, and every Laker
fan would acknowledge this would have been like the Sacramento Kinks,
and they got really lucky that. However, this played out,
and I've read some different articles listening to different podcasts
with the children that they sold it to the Dodger
group because now they got a chance, they got real

(35:05):
ownership that knows what they're doing. And I think all
these places. You know Arthur Blank, you know clearly when
he was younger, pretty high level business guy, made his
fortune himself, but he hired the right guy once upon
a time in Thomas Demetrov and then ever since. I
don't know if it was pressure to fire him. Obviously

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they had a couple bad years and you start hiring
the wrong people. The owner gets way older, he's way richer,
he's just out of touch, and the franchise just falls apart,
you know, obviously Woody Johnson and they got no clue
what they're doing. The Bidwell family no clue what they're doing.
I think Mark Davis's heart's in the right place. He's trying,
but it's just the same shit every year. It's crazy,

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it's it's honestly, I feel bad for the fans really quick.
I didn't really talk yesterday about the performance of Josh Allen,
but talk about a guy that was zoned in. And
I do think we have to all universally agreed that
the best quarterback, like the best quarterback in the NFL

(36:11):
is Josh Allen right now. We saw Mahomes play Denver
and honestly just Mahomes throughout the season, Like, Josh Allen's
a better player, but the thing is relative to some
of his counterparts. Like even watching Bo Nicks and Denver,
that team's loaded Josh Allen, Like, who's Josh Allen's second
best teammate? Cook Dawkins left tackle? Like who's Like, could

(36:33):
you dame his five best teammates? He doesn't have some
loaded roster that's well established. But I don't remember a guy.
You know. Part of what made like Cam Newton so
special was physically there was never anyone quite like him,
and I do think he's the greatest physical running quarterback
we've ever seen. But as he got older, it took

(36:55):
a toll on him, messed up his shoulder, and by
the end of his career, like he used to have
a howitzer. While he never was that accurate, he had
this massive arm. It's why when he had games where
he was in a rhythm and he was on, he
could look like the most dominant player in the NFL.
Obviously he had the one great season he won the MVP,
but throughout his career he would just have individual games

(37:15):
where he could go toe to toe with anybody and
just completely take over the game. And a lot of
that had to do with, like physically, you could just
run these quarterback runs for him that were just simply unstoppable,
and Josh Allen has that. The thing that he also
has is he can just turn into a thrower like
he's Dan Marino, John Elway, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and

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he carries the franchise. And that was a moment in
that game against the Bucks. I mean, there were a
couple times where it's like the Bucks would score, It's like, God,
the Bills backs a little against the wall. It did
feel like that was the tipping point for their season
if they lost. If they lose that game, it does
feel like everything could unravel. Sean McDermott had to inactivate

(38:00):
on Coleman because he slept through a morning meeting on Friday,
And I told Coward this, when I saw that kind
of showed you. I think if they were eight and
one and just rolling like we expected them to do
at the beginning of the season, I don't think he's inactive.
I think that's your classic. You call him into your room,
you kind of talk talk to him, maybe you bench
him for a series or two, or maybe the first quarter.

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You kind of let the locker room handle it, and
you just kind of move on. But when all of
a sudden you're getting your ass kicked by the Miami Dolphins,
you kind of got to draw a line in the sand.
You have to show Josh Allen, you have to show,
you know, Cook and Dawkins and some of your core
guys like we're not going to tolerate this. I got
your back because you guys are all working so hard.
But then I think Josh kind of sees that and go, God,

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we got some of these young guys we're bringing in
don't quite know what's going on and aren't focused enough,
And all of a sudden, we're playing the Bucks who
have a bunch of injuries. At home where we never
lose and they're scoring. They got some running back most
of us have never heard of unless you're a Syracuse alum.
And all of a sudden, Sean Tucker's looking like he's
Walter Payton meets uh Ladanian Tomlinson. You're like, who is

(39:07):
this guy? The Bills are gonna lose? And then Josh
Allen just simply said, no, under no circumstances are we losing.
And I've said this forever. The thing I like most
about professional sports, like undrafted free agent stories are cool,
they're cute. Like I watched for Tom Brady, I watched
for Ceedee Lamb, you know, I watched for Josh Allen,

(39:30):
and that performance the other night was just it was electric, dominant,
and it had to happen because without him, I think,
all of a sudden, their season could just start heading
toward the toilet. And he just he just refused, you know,
to even give that like it wasn't even an option.

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He just simply said, not on my watch. So props
of Josh Allen. A couple quick college things I want
to start with this. James Franklin was announced as the
head coach for the Virginia Tech Hokies this afternoon, maybe
an hour or two before the Monday night football game,

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and signs. You know, the Virginia Tech has been desperately
trying to sign him. They've been making offers. Felt like
James Franklin was kind of, you know, waiting to see
what else popped, what his other options were. I do
think he would have other options, but he chose, you know,
a team in the ACC which path to the playoffs

(40:32):
and just to the conference championship is clearly easier than
the one he just had, where you had the beat
Ohio State and now Oregon, and if Michigan's good, and
especially the SEC. If he had taken the Auburn job
or the Arkansas job, where you have to deal with Bama, Georgia,
Ole miss or LSU whoever's really good, obviously tougher pass.

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But part of the story was that Penn State owed
him forty nine million dollars forty nine million dollars, and
to facilitate this move, he gave them back forty million dollars.
He negotiated a nine million dollar buyout to facilitate this

(41:18):
move to Virginia Tech, where obviously he's gonna be making
millions of dollars the contract details are not yet out.
Let's just assume six seven eight million dollars whatever. But
Henn State was going to, no matter what, have to
pay him forty nine million dollars. And I try to
give and most people have, I think. And I was
listening to this Charlie Munger book at the gym when

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I was doing some cardio, and he thought, the number
one key to success whatever you do, find what you're
passionate about, and gravitate toward an industry that revolves around
your passion because the point of difference you will have
of just working harder because it won't feel like work
at times, and you will just go above and beyond

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when you really like what you do. And these coaches,
I can't imagine. I don't know any human beings in
the real world that would ever facilitate forty million dollars
to give back to keep working when you would be
paid fifty million dollars not to work. But that's what
happens now. Obviously, his financial situation, he's already made millions

(42:25):
upon millions of dollars at Penn State, so money is
not changing the way he lives, and he's going to
continue to make millions. But I don't believe many human
beings would do that. I just simply don't. And I
often think if I was in those shoes, no matter
how passionate, I was about my next project, like just

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And when he went on college game day whatever a
month a month ago, and I thought it was you know,
don't I don't know. I mean, it's part of his
persona being a little bit of a bullshitter, being a
little bit like of a politician. I mean, that's why
he's such a great recruiter. He's got a big personality.
But I think some people layeled with him, his little
fake or whatever. And he went on game day and
he said, you know, I'm paraphrasing here, but like my

(43:08):
fire burns as strong as it ever has, and I
want in, and I want in now. I can't wait
to coach again. I thought, you know, he's just saying
the right things. He was not bsen because he jumped
right back in. And my first take is it's Virginia
take a good job. I mean, that place has been
abysmal over the last decade plus, so to not only

(43:32):
take a job, but to give forty million dollars back
to go to a place that has been kind of
embarrassingly bad, and to try to prove yourself. I gotta
give your respect because I can't imagine myself. I can't
imagine most people in my life. It's like, bro, I
probably would have gone to the beach, even if I

(43:53):
eventually got back in in a year or two. I'm
definitely taking a year off being paid nine ten million
dollars to do nothing like that's to me, that's the
American dream. But clearly the American dream to James Franklin
is coaching the Hokies against like a NC State, So
props to him. And then there's Lane Kiffin and'll w

(44:15):
end on this. I think a lot of people in
the SEC think Lane has kind of jumped the shark
of now starting to toy with Ole miss and I
would imagine most people that cover college football are going
to have the messaging of we think Lane is gone.
My overall take in these situations because like, oh, this

(44:38):
is Lane messing with someone again, or this is Lane
about to leave right when he's about to make the playoffs.
I think it's easy for a lot of people, you know,
in the thing with football, especially if you become a
great coach. Right, we say this all the time about players,
like their shelf life's short, but the average NFL careers
three or four years. Even if you're great player in

(45:00):
the NFL, maybe it's eleven year career. Right. You do
not get to play for thirty five years, but you
do as a coach. And you never know how powerful
your quote unquote brand or your star is gonna how
bright it's gonna be. And right now, Lane Kiffin can't

(45:20):
be any hotter. And he also has the experience of like,
I've been the lowest. I have been the guy when
I got fired at the tarmac that everyone thought was
the biggest clown in the country, that was unhirable. And
now I have LSU and Florida and probably some NFL

(45:41):
teams lined up for my services. So all you guys going,
this is not right. How am I supposed to handle this?
There are certain situations in life that are just not
easy to handle. It's just not even if it is
the right move, even if it is like, hey, honey
is not working out, we probably need to take a break. Well,

(46:03):
when you finally get a divorce, it's usually pretty ugly, right,
Like anyone that's ever been in a position of management
that's had to fire someone or been fired. These situations
are messy, just like Lane Kiffin. Like listen, I don't
even know if I want to leave all miss But
wouldn't it be prudent to I don't know, have my
family and myself just look at LSU. What does the

(46:25):
LSU Tigers have to offer? What does the University of
Florida have to offer? It's so easy for everyone to say,
it's like, you're in the playoffs at all abyss, why
would you want to leave? Well, you probably have never
had multiple universities that are willing to pay you eighty
to one hundred million dollars that historically have been viewed

(46:45):
as lightier, better jobs. Now that might not be the
case anymore. But my point is I see a lot
of people being very critical of Lane in this situation,
and historically he's brought a lot of this on himself.
I don't think there's an easy way to handle this,
because I do think he's somewhat obligated given this opportunity
to at least sniff around, at least dip his toe

(47:10):
in the water and just see what else is out there, right,
Because you could argue that this is as good as
it gets at ole Miss. It will never get better
than this, Literally, it never has. They never had back
to back years of ten plus wins, definitely have never
had three straight years of ten plus wins, which they
have right now. Now, what's gonna suck is that if

(47:31):
he does and this stuff gets out, especially I mean
it got out today he flew his ex wife and
his brother's wife and some of their kids were in LSU.
I think yesterday they were in Florida. So they're clearly,
you know, playing the field a little bit. And if
I was a betting man, I would imagine he leaves.
I would guess, if I had to take an educated guess,

(47:51):
I would guess these at the University of Florida. You know,
I don't. I don't know the date, But I also
have seen a lot of this, like ole Miss is
gonna give him an ultimatum, a deadline, and if he
doesn't sign it, they might not let him coach in
the playoffs, which where it feels inevitable when he beats
Mississippi State here in a couple of weeks. I actually

(48:12):
think that's kind of crazy, Like you got into business
with this guy for a reason just a couple of
years ago. He stayed loyal to you instead of leaving
for Auburn, which I think historically every single coach alive
would leave ole Miss for Auburn. I if I was
old Missed and maybe it's easy for me to say,
thousands of miles away in an office in Scottsdale, like

(48:34):
I think I would let him coach. This is not
twenty twelve. All these guys are on year to year contracts,
your players, your coaches. This is kind of a different
world where it's just kind of driven by a mercenary mindset,
and it's been a big part of ole Miss's success.
Part of the reason Lane Kiffin has crushed is because
of the portal isn't his nickname the Portal King? So

(48:58):
it's like his running back he just handed his belt
to when they beat Florida and did the belt to ask,
you know where that player was last year? Missouri? So
I mean the starting quarterback is from Farris State to
college football. This isn't nineteen seventy eight Barry Switzer and
Tom Osborne and Bobby Bowden. Those days are done. You're

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not spending four or five years with the same coaches,
the same players. This is a mercenary sport, and Lane
Kiffin's kind of treating it like it is, like the
players treat him like he treats the players. That is
the world we're in. I don't think we will ever
see a situation even like Nick seventeen years someplace. You know,

(49:41):
Kirby's on year ten. Does he have ten more? If
you said, right now, John, would you bet ten thousand
dollars just Kirby coach ten more years of Georgia, I
would bet against it. I would bet against it. Not
because it's not going well. He's kicking ass and taking names,
but it's just it's not usually the things work. It
really isn't hew. Nick Saban, even in the peak of

(50:05):
the Bama dynasty, almost went to Texas, like I think
there were reports he was really close to accepting at
the time was like ten years, one hundred million dollar offer.
I forget this, probably twenty sixteen, fifteen seventeen range and
he I think some people say he verbally accepted and
then he kind of got cold feet and stay with
Alabama and the rest is history. But that's usually the

(50:28):
way these guys are wired. So I just think a
lot of people are shitting on Lane. There's no easy
way to handle these situations. But I think it's so
easy for those of us that have never been in
a situation where you are the number one guy in
your industry. Think about that, you are the number one
guy in your industry. It's like you are the Tom Brady.

(50:50):
You all are the uh, the Michael Jackson, you are
the pick the industry. You are the bezos. You are
the number one AI codeer, or that they're all lined
up to give five hundred million dollars too. That's usually
one person, and Lane Kiffin is sitting in that seat
right now. So it's there's no easy way to navigate it.

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dms are wide open fire in those dms questions answered
right here on the show, and uh let's dive in
right now. We'll start with Matthew. Like the Sunday Night
recuap question for the back is the top do you

(52:41):
think the top coaches are underpaid? Thinking about from a
job like the Patriots, the Bears, and the Broncos. This year,
whatever they are paying their coaches, they're getting a discount.
Look what Harbad did with the Chargers last year. Look
what Schottenheimer is doing with the banged up I think
you mean Shanahan. I know what you mean. Forty nine
ers and some of the top college coaches that are

(53:04):
bringing in millions for the university are the top fifteen
percent of coaches underpaid when you think about it, and
if an owner goes cheap on a coach again, they
are to blame when the teams collapse. Been saying it forever.
Let's use Andy as an example, right, He's been the
most successful over the last six or seven years. Obviously
this year down year for their standards, but five Super

(53:25):
Bowls six years, the amount of home games they've had
that they've hosted the AFC Championship game every year beside
the one where they play the Ravens, and they've won
the division every year. So the amount of money and
equity he's made his owner the equivalent in the private
sector of companies worth billions of dollars, you know, the
CEOs of companies. And that's what coach read is. You know,

(53:49):
Patrick Mahomes is compensated right for his skills, four hundred
fifty million dollar contract and as that rolls over, he'll
get more guaranteed money. So he's going to make hundreds
of hundreds of millions of dollars playing for the Chiefs.
And then on top of that, what he's gonna make
off the field. Well, if coachree, let's just say he's
making fifteen million dollars a year, maybe it's eighteen, you

(54:09):
could argue the going rate should be double that. The
problem is it's all based on what your position in
other places are making, and it's like, well, the highest
paid coaches making seventeen. Well, look, I don't care. Look
at the real world, and my job should be paying
the value I bring to you, the stability I bring
to the organization. I'd argue forty million dollars. You know, seriously,

(54:34):
I mean the forty nine ers were dead when Kyle
got there. He's taking them to multiple Super Bowls, a
ton of NFC Championship games. They'll probably go back to
the playoffs this year. What value is that to Jed
Yorke who lives in Silicon Valley. I mean, Elon just
signed a trillion dollar pay package. Now he's got a
hit incentives and it will probably never make it trillion
dollars but like these CEOs and presidents of these big

(54:57):
companies make a ton, like these coaches get any equity
in the team right and the players that the high
end players are making so much money rightfully. So I
do think the top coaches are definitely underpaid. I think
Ben Johnson, I think he's the Midwest Kyle Shanahan. I
love everything Ben Johnson stands for, like serious kind of

(55:20):
old school for being a younger guy and loves to
run the ball. Well, guess what that translates in freezing
cold temperatures. So if I'm a Bears fan, I'm pretty
fired up. How often does strength of schedule get factored
into analyzing who the best teams are in the NFL?
Do you think some of the teams get overinflated win
totals due to playing easier schedules. I'm specifically thinking of

(55:43):
the NFC North last year, the NFC West this year.
Vikings looked like at world beaters last year, but they
also played the AFC South. Same with the NFC West
this year. I definitely think it gets factored in. But
you also got a factor like, for example, the forty
nine or are gonna win ten games? Let's just assume
where we sit here right now, they're seven and four.

(56:05):
If they had a tough schedule with their injuries, they're
probably winning seven or eight. We all acknowledge that. But
you can go well, Seattle and the Rams, because of
the divisions that they've drawn the AFC and NFC South
are gonna have maybe an inflated win total of thirteen
or fourteen wins. But we acknowledge they're really good right

(56:26):
when healthy, and those teams are healthy right now are
high end teams, but especially the Rams, like the Rams
also have a history of beating good people. I think
sometimes like with a one year wonder, like let's use
the Viking situation, I think they could be in major trouble.
I mean, their quarterback situation is an unmitigated disaster. There's

(56:47):
no way around it. Right, let's face it. Let's use
and I use this with Colin. I give two examples.
The forty nine ers got are the luckiest team of
all time. They traded three first round picks for a
guy that couldn't play, and they ended up going with
their seventh round pick who now is on a fifty
million dollars year contract, who just actually coming off the injury.

(57:08):
Bertie was good yesterday, but like that's not normal. Usually
when you make a quarterback mistake, you're screwed. Chris Bower'd
be the first to tell you, like, we're very lucky
this Daniel Jones thing is working out the way it is,
because without it we'd have major, major problems. And lucks
a huge part of quarterbacks, right, Like Jason Light be
the first to tell you when we gave four million

(57:29):
dollars to Baker Mayfield whatever, three or four years ago,
we didn't expect it to turn out the way as
turned out. So it's part of life. Sometimes you get
into business with someone and a booms, right, And I
think that it's pretty rare. Though with quarterback. It happens
at a lot of random positions. Like Zach Bond goes
from like role player, special teams guy two All Pro.

(57:51):
That has happened countless times throughout the NFL. Mike Vrabel
couldn't get on the field for the Steelers, goes to
the Patriots with Belichick and becomes the star. Right that
it's much more normal linebacker, slot receiver, at guard, right safety.
It's very rare quarterback. Also because the premium you would
pay for a good quarterback. So I definitely think we

(58:14):
talk a lot about the schedule, But you could have
an easy schedule and win a lot of games, and
we go that team's pretty good. You can also have
an easy schedule and win a lot of games. I
don't know, right, So I think we do a pretty
good job at factoring that in nowadays, massive fan like
this guy, you always provide excellence, like guy this, guess

(58:35):
this guy smart. Do you think the Bucks should move
off Todd at the end of the year. You don't
necessarily have to fire him, but move him to the
front office and bring in new blood. He lacks intensity
and is often out coached his unit. The defense is
usually atrocious and big games. I think they should have
promoted Liam last year, but at this point just bringing
the best offensive coach and clean house. I think it's

(58:58):
easy to say, and I think we kind of overanalyze Todd,
who I was around for a little bit in Philadelphia.
He's like his personality's personality, like you don't need to
be like Andy rees On, a yeller and a screamer,
Like not everyone has to be some crazy Sean McVay, right,

(59:18):
I do think it's fair though to question, like he
is a defensive guy. Now they've had some injuries. I
do think when they're fully healthy, they're pretty good on defense.
But it's not as easy to go, well, we should
have fired him last year. For Liam Cohen, that happens
all the time, and that guy never gets fired. I
mean it happens all the time throughout just like the
last twenty five years. Like, God, we should have fired

(59:38):
that guy. Just made Sean Payton the coach. No one
ever does that ever, you know, So it's like I have,
like I understand, like I don't even think that's a
logical scenario to play out, because it's you don't go
to the playoffs back to back years and just get
shit canned. For Liam Cohen, who's never been a head coach.

(59:59):
Hell pretty sure he's only called plays in the NFL
that that was his first year calling plays, so it'd
be a pretty bold move. But yeah, looking back, I
think if you could choose li Liam's, I mean, they've
had some The game against the Texans obviously was desperate,
but I think it's very saying like Liam Gollan looks
pretty good. So yeah, I think in this hypothetical world,
if you could do a redo like it's it's easy

(01:00:21):
to say. Now. I just think that Jason Light's one
of the best gms in the league. Your team's gonna
have a lot of talent when healthy moving forward. And
I think the question mark also Jason Light in the GM,
like ultimately to extend a coach. You know, I went
on that rant about trades when it's like, well, the
ownership has to now, I mean a trade idea is

(01:00:43):
the coach an extension with a coach or a GM
like that is on ownership. How come it's okay for
teams to squeak out a win like the Broncos. How
they win always last minute and win ugly. But the
Eagles win ugly and the sky is falling. Well, your
standards higher in Philadelphia. You've been to two Super Bowls

(01:01:06):
in the last three years. You are the defending champs.
You blasted the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. You obviously Washington,
you treated them like you know, your little brother in
the NFC Championship game. And you're the best team in
your division by a country mile. You're paying a lot
of money for the team. So the standard is really
really high, right, No different than the Chiefs. We were

(01:01:28):
nitpicking the Chiefs last year they were en route to
fifteen and two in the number one overall seat. It's
like all they can't They could barely win these games.
That's part of the deal when you're the best, like
you get nitpicked, right, fair or not. But at the
end of the day, you're eight and two. Who cares.
Your offense isn't that good. It doesn't matter. The Chiefs
offense wasn't that good last year either. It didn't matter.

(01:01:48):
If your defense is gonna play like this, you got
a pretty good chance to go back to the Super Bowl,
especially if you can get home field. The Lions can't
play outdoors. Are the Packers gonna beat you? No chance?
The forty nine all their players are injured. Sam Darnold's
gonna go into Philadelphia and beat you? And Vic Fangio
how our time? Seeing that, I guess the Rams could.
The Rams are the one team that their weakness is

(01:02:11):
the secondary and your problem is your passing game doesn't
really work. So I think that would be the one
team that would make me nervous if I was an
Eagles fan. But eight and two were the defending champs.
We're gonna like our chances to go back, so I'd
feel pretty good about it. I want your take on

(01:02:33):
my Lions. Do you think we can ever really win
a Super Bowl? With Jared Goff? I like him, but
I can unsee the fact that when you put him
outside in thirty five degree weather, he looks completely out
of sorts. He's wearing two gloves and a turtleneck like
he's in fucking Alaska. Also the two gloves, I'm sorry
you wear two gloves like it's hard for me. I

(01:02:55):
think someone texted me last night. Did Peyton Manning when
he got older? Maybe when he was younger? I need
to google that. Did he wear two gloves against the
Patriots in a couple of those games? Obviously Goff one
of the Knoxes, He's got smaller hands. But I guess
the question is also if you feel any sort of pressure?
He looks shook the entire game, the John Morton situations disaster.

(01:03:18):
Did our window close with Ben Johnson? And when he left?
I think you could win a Super Bowl if your
team is healthy and you're hosting games in Detroit. Is
Jared GoF going to go on the road to Philadelphia
to Green Bay and win games, probably not. Right. Could
he go on the road to la in the dome

(01:03:41):
and win a game, yes. Could he go on the
road to Seattle in a driving rainstorm and win a game?
Probably not. So weather is a major factor with him.
But you guys playing a dome and last year you
lost at home and he didn't play well. So he's
not a perfect player, right, He's a really he's like

(01:04:01):
the best version of Kirk Cousins. Right. But the problem
with Kirk Cousins is once you start hitting him. Kirk Cousins,
you know, has won a bunch of games when not
this version, but when he was younger, Right, But you
start hitting him, there's no ad lib. That's the one
thing that all these quarterbacks have. Like if you just
look at like the top fifteen quarterbacks, they all can

(01:04:24):
move and throw. Some do it better, you know, Lamar Josh,
but like the Herbert's, the Mahomes, even like Party you
know Dak who I'm recording this before Monday night football
is obviously, with some of the injuries, is not the
same athlete. I gotta have you be able to move
and throw. If you can't move and throw, I'm kind
of out on you now. Jared Goff is a good
packet pocket quarterback, but he's really benefited. Your offensive line

(01:04:48):
was elite and now your offensive line is not quite
as good. Laporta is out. He can't like he's not
a guy that can just carry the operation, and I
think a huge part of that is one His limitations
are his limitations, but he brings nothing to the table
with like extending plays. And then the cold weather, Like

(01:05:09):
I mentioned this on Sunday Night, it is one hundred
percent a thing from California. We do not like cold
weather because we're not used to it. And you go, well,
he's lived in Detroit now several years. True, but I
would imagine that once it gets cold, they practice inside
and obviously they play inside, and then a lot of
their games, all the home games and even the Minnesota
game is inside. If you remember a couple of years ago,

(01:05:32):
Aaron Rodgers last game in Green Bay Golf actually played
pretty well outside in that Green Bay game that was
pretty cold. Do you think the Patriots will do well
in the playoffs assuming we win the division? Well, if
you win the division, I would say you have, I
mean a pretty decent chance, maybe around fifty percent, to

(01:05:52):
be the number one seed. I mean, winning the division
for you is probably fourteen wins. Now, I don't exactly
know how the tie breakers would go. Let's just say,
in a hypothetical world, you Denver and Indy are all
thirteen and four. Let's say the Bills too, thirty. You
guys are all thirteen and four, but you win the
division the Bills don't, so it's just between I don't

(01:06:14):
know how the tie breakers would work. I think when
it's a three team it goes to like conference Again,
we're a little far away from that right now, but
there's a big difference that that number one seed. You
just have to win two games. So if you just
win one, you're in the AFC Championship game at home. Now,
if you got to win three, that gets a little
more difficult, especially if in like the first round, you

(01:06:37):
know you're playing. It also depends who you're playing, Like,
would I like the Patriots first, the Jags? Yeah, I
like your shot, Patriots first, the Colts like, yeah, I
think you'd have a decent shot. But if you get
like the two seed, and let's say the seventh seed
is the Chiefs or the Texans, like, that's a pretty
tough defense for Drake, so it's like it would be

(01:07:00):
possible for you to lose in the first round. With
Miles Garrett having another huge sack day against the Ravens Sunday,
he has fifteen total sacks and it's about to be
week twelve, assuming he stays healthy, is he a lock
for the Defensive Player of the Year. I'm bad with awards.
I sometimes I guess I don't look at him like

(01:07:22):
the people that vote on them. I think it's been
pretty clear he's the best defensive player in the league
for I don't know, going on five ish years. Ever
since Aaron Donald. I guess Aaron Donald's been he quit
a couple of years, and even that last year wasn't
quite peak Aaron Donald, but it basically went for a
decent long stretch. It was like Khalil and Aaron Donald

(01:07:44):
were pretty equal. Then Aaron Donald was like clearly the
best player, and then now for the twenty twenty he's
like Miles Garretts the best player. When they had the
joint practice this training camp against the Eagles and Jordan
Mylotto was like the entire offensive line was in the
film room and we were just laughing. We're like, is
this guy human? What am I supposed to do? There

(01:08:05):
are certain ways certain players talk about other players where
you just go, this guy is in a different There's
a reason that every guy in their fifties and sixties
that you see on Instagram that played in the NBA
in the eighties and nineties that tell a story about
Michael Jordan. They all have a consistent theme. They talk
about him like a mythological figure. Miles Garrett is clearly

(01:08:26):
the best defensive player, so I thought Cleveland should have
traded him. I mean, it's like you're losing all these games.
You could have traded them. What would the Lions or
the Eagles, or you know, the Packers because you'd rather
have Miles Garrett than Michael Parsons. What would they have
traded for Miles Garrett? Now he's older than Micah, but

(01:08:48):
you're at minimum getting like three elite years, like Hall
of Fame dominant years. And if you look at Reggie White,
who signed with the Packers, I think at like thirty
one thirty two years old, went on to have like
a Hall of Fame career with the Packers. So if
you go, hey, if we take five years, would you
trade two to ones, two two's and like a player.

(01:09:08):
I just think they gotta regret that one. Now. I
think if you're a fan of not the Eagles, it
does feel like the Eagles would have ended up with them.
So uh, if you if you aren't an Eagles fan,
maybe like, I'm glad they kept him. I I wouldn't
want to see him because we're seeing the Eagles with Jordan. Uh,
with Phillips, You're like, imagine that if that was Miles Garrett.

(01:09:45):
Not really a mailback question, but I was listening to
Collins podcast and there is a no free ads here
blank ad in the podcast and I know you just
brought on zone pouches. Does that work? Because they're technically
two different podcasts there, we're still on the same feed,
so I was curious. Yeah, it's like a it's like
a different business entity, right, My podcast is separate for

(01:10:07):
his podcast, like where I might have there are people
on the volume that have Again I'm not gonna say
the name of this sponsor because I have a sponsor
in the same category that is a different company and
we will do business. So I mean I Jerry Jones
was once asked I remember they said, why did you,

(01:10:30):
why'd you name the stadium at and T And he said,
because they offered. I forget the numbers, like you know,
ten years, two hundred and fifty million dollars. I'm a horror.
We're businessmen. I mean that's people offer more money, That's
why we take them. And the other thing is Zone
was supposed to come on my podcast maybe a couple

(01:10:50):
of years ago. We started talking to him and that
they sent me a bunch and I've been I've used
the product like I I when I talk about most
of this stuff, especially our big sponsors, like game Time
at every event, whether it's a concert or a game
I've been to over the last two years, I have
used game Time just like these pouches, I'm sucking them
down for really, I mean consistently now a while. I'm

(01:11:13):
pretty sure I got a huge package from them. I
don't know if it was late twenty twenty three or
early twenty twenty four. Like I'm pretty adamant. I try
to work with things that I use because it makes
it pretty easy easy to sell. But we can sell
like I'm open for business on this podcast, regardless what
a category that Colin might have, unless it gets sold

(01:11:36):
like hard rock bet gets sold on throughout the shows, right,
So that's that's just one that's kind of getting an
umbrella treatment. But not every advertiser is looking for that.
So I'm just rightfully so, like I don't get BMW ads. No,
granted I don't drive a BMW, but you know colin
advertising with stuff that I would, you know, no problem

(01:12:00):
kind of in the business. We're looking for a new
car for but it has to be big though. Hope
everything as well. But what are your thoughts about players
spitting on each other? Since when did this start being cool?
Do you feel jamar Ch should be fined or suspended.
I've always defended players when they get into it with

(01:12:23):
the ref and get technicals in basketball or get a
personal foul penalty in football for like screaming obscenities like
this is this is their livelihood and if it fails,
they will get cut. They will get put on the
unemployment line. And that's my always issues with officiating. I
never feel like they get thrown to the unemployment line.

(01:12:43):
I feel like they can screw up. I saw this clip.
I don't know when it was from probably this weekend.
The Utah Jazz got a technical foul because a guy
fell on you know, on the court, so like the
ball two ball boys ran up with kind of their swifter,
you know, the towel thing to take away all the

(01:13:06):
sweat from the floor. And the Jazz got a tech
and their coach went bananas. He said, did we just
get a technical for delay of game because the ball
boys came out to dry the floor? And Mark Davis,
who is a complete clown. I mean, some of these
officials in the NBA, no wonder the DOJ's all over
the NBA's ass. I mean, talk about shady shit. It's

(01:13:28):
been going on forever. But that was I would turn
these people into the authorities like that that something doesn't
add up there. But if Draymond's got a lot of these, right, listen,
Draymond deserves a lot of technical fouls when he's hitting
people in the throat or kicking their you know, stirring
them or whatever. But if I just yell swear words
at you, I'm sorry that this is There's a lot

(01:13:49):
of money on the line for all this stuff. This
is not high school football. This is not you know,
junior high softball. We're not teaching life lessons here. There
are no life lessons being taught in professional sports, So swearing,
I hate when people get in trouble for that. To me,
the spitting thing is like I don't even I don't

(01:14:10):
even know how to categorize it. It should be an
auto suspension if you spit on another player from another team,
like to me, the things that people get fined for, like,
you know, he tackled him a little hard. He uh
he hip drop tackled. I saw someone got a hip
drop tackle and it definitely was not a hip drop tackle. Like, no,

(01:14:31):
it's just a tackle. You should if I haven't even
I refused like some of these stories, I just don't
have the mental capacity for. So I didn't like see
the breakdown of the video, but I did see a headline.
It's pretty clear that the replay shows him spitting on him.
And if Jamar Cha is spitting on Jayalen Ramsey, like
he should get to spent the next game, no pay, Like,
that's just that that that cannot be tolerated. And I

(01:14:53):
would say the same thing that that's any level of football,
whether it's college, whether it's junior peewee's, whether it's hig
school football, you spit on another person. You just get
spinted like I'm sorry. Even it's like, hey, man, I
didn't mean too My emotions got the best, yes called
emotional control, and if you don't have it, you get
penalizes for it. So like, I have no problem being

(01:15:14):
a little over over aggressive when it comes to penalizing
spitting on another player on an opposing team. What do
you think is wrong with the Chiefs? Lifelong fan live
in Kansas City. Despite my profile pick, I'm twenty seven.
That's my dad. I think it's Mahomes. I can't really
say this to my friends, but like, dude has not

(01:15:35):
been clutch at all this year, and the defense has
picked us up for two years, so I'm not blaming them.
It just has not been coming through. Do you agree? Also,
if you watch the game, he overthrows every deep ball.
He's been overthrowing him for a while. I feel like
his deep ball accuracy has been off now, even going
back to last year. But I'm with the overthrows worthy.

(01:15:56):
He just he missed his some throws now and the
throw that he the pick he had in the end zone,
he wasn't good. I mean, he just it's okay to
be like he wasn't that good. But he here's a reality,
like Josh Allen Lamar Jackson have been objectively better than
him the last couple of years, right, Lamar had that
stretch was clearly better and Josh Allen is a better

(01:16:17):
player right now, but he's got him in the playoffs.
So it's like when it's all mattered, and both those
guys have had their opportunities and they could not get
it done. So he's had that over them and he
benefits a lot from fantastic coaching. But yeah, he can
be a little hit or miss at times, and yesterday
was not his finest hour. Had some throws that were

(01:16:40):
there to be made and did not make him and
Bow did. Now, if you I'm not gonna write him off.
And I'm a big believer in when you build up
a resume, some people get the benefit of doubt. But
you know, it's he's had some moments over the last
couple of years that have been a little up and down.
He also comes through at times, but he's at some

(01:17:00):
killer moments and yesterday he had some killer moments. Which
is crazy because the two guys that really came to play,
I mean Kelsey and Chris Jones were elite. It's like, hey,
we got three Hall of famers on this team, right,
Travis Kelce, Patrick Mahomes and Chris Jones. Two of them
showed up to kick ass and take names. Two of
them showed up. My team needs me with this game.

(01:17:22):
Our season feels on the line. And Patrick, uh yeah,
he's just he can be a little off. I'm with you.
The deep ball accuracy when it comes to to Worthy,
it's you know, bo Knicks, and again bow Knicks does
not have the resume or the equity built up to
get the benefit of the doubt. So he misses him.

(01:17:43):
We crush him. But twenty nine to forty five, averaging
six yards in attempt, had the one awful interception. He
has three sacks. Now, part of that is they're one
of the best pass rushing teams ever, but he also
gets out of a lot of sacks. Here's who he say.
You know, obviously Kelsey has a huge game. You know,
Thornton hit on the one big pass Hollywood saw you

(01:18:05):
take four for forty or she rice six for forty
like a little bit more explosion. He just missed a
couple of targets there. I mean they yeah, just they
need to be better. I don't know what to tell you.
I've listened to your comments about O'Connell losing the locker
room due to his commitment to JJ. I let me
say this again. I don't think he's losing the locker

(01:18:28):
room because his commitment to JJ one. They don't have
any other options. I just think that you got to
be very careful how you treat a scrub quarterback when
you have established players, it can be a tricky situation.
I think I might have said that again heat of
the moment a couple of weeks ago. I just think
you gotta be careful that you got a lot of

(01:18:49):
guys that are big time players going the ship is
going down, and we're letting this guy steer it now.
It's there's no other eye options right there. There is
no other guy to go to. I forget what school
the backup quarterback went to, but JG's gonna play. I
just I do think it's a very tricky situation for

(01:19:12):
any any coach, let alone Kevin O'Connell. The Vikings haven't
looked the same since the Week eighteen Lions game. Earlier
that day, reports claimed the team wanted to trade that
teams wanted to trade for KOC. I wouldn't say reporters.
I would say Jay Glazier put that out there. And again,
I mean Jay is a reporter, but it was one

(01:19:32):
individual whose name carries a lot of weight and said
teams are lining up to trade for Kevin O'Connell. It
felt like his agent was trying to drive up the
price for O'Connell's upcoming extension. It rubbed me the wrong
way at the time, and I wonder if you think
this could have a lasting effect in the locker room.
It's tough because this is a hard part about football
college the pros. Everyone players and coaches in a weird

(01:19:55):
way are kind of out for themselves, right, but we
all got to be arm in arm in this team environment. Right.
But ultimately, the coordinators telling you about all this, the
moment he gets a better opportunity to become a head coach,
he's leaving right a player. Ultimately, if they're going into
a free agency year, you realize, like this team's I
can be able to pay me, So I'm looking for

(01:20:15):
my next destination and Kevin O'Connell. I don't know if
it was the Ziggie Wolf being cheap or they thought
that they were being low balled, but they clearly tried
to drive up a market, which should be his agent's prerogative,
trying to get his coach paid. And the media just
loves the guy. And I've never met him. I don't

(01:20:37):
know the guy, never had a conversation with him. Seems
like a great guy, right, I do think he has
some flaws as a coach, and just based on his resume,
he's had two playoff games for he was the favorite
and he lost them both. You can give me all
the excuses you want. I mean, that's just a fact.
So it's not like you're dealing with the guy. Well,
it's like, yeah, he's won four playoff games, so listen.
I mean, this guy deserves a big contract. And I

(01:20:59):
think that story, which Jay Gott. I'm not trying to
source guests, but it's pretty clear that it was coming
from O'Connell's side, like, wait, this guy in your contract.
These teams, No, he's if we said, like, hey, we're
not gonna be able to come to a deal with
the Vikings, then teams would trade for him. Sure, but
that was never gonna happen. Like the Vikings weren't gonna
let him leave. He just wanted more money, which listen,

(01:21:22):
I'm pro money, so I get it. But he's also
in the locker room preaching team accountability or been armed
like every coach. It's like, bro, you fucking just trying
to get an extra couple million dollars a year. You're
no different than any of us, So you're telling us
to not worry about contracts and all. You're consumed with
it too. I just think coaches is general, and I'm
not trying to just point the finger out O'Connell in

(01:21:42):
this situation can be very hypocritical in these deals, and
I think the more and more these players now with nil,
these guys are gonna get more and more numb to
money and be like, shut up, man, Like, if we
just just just give us the game plan, we'll play
our ass off and we'll try to win. So I
just call some runs, call some runs. I think their
bigger issue about the situation with its contract last year

(01:22:06):
is JJ McCarthy. They drafted a player who they've put
all their chips in the middle of the table on
and it's backfired. I mean, even the most rose colored
glasses Vikings fan would have to admit yesterday was an
alarming crazy experience and the JJ in his limited sample size,

(01:22:27):
this year has obviously been a roller coaster ride more
bad than good. But yesterday was like what I even
saw dan Orlowski was like the craziest part about a
lot of these passes. It's one thing. It's like, hey,
you just missing some high like he is missing by
several yards. I mean there was the one on the
out route that he overthrew Jefferson where the Bears dB

(01:22:48):
you know, is probably fifteen feet away from him, like
catches it behind him. You're like, oh my god. This
is and clearly it's in his head he's lost his confidence,
but this is It's not one of those where hey
we just I've hitting a bad slice. Just go to
the driving range for the next month and we'll just
work through. It's like, no, no, you got another game
this week. They don't stop. You got more games. And

(01:23:13):
it's really hard. Did Brady say this yesterday? I heard
someone say this, It's hard to throw your way out
of a slump, you know, because it's all mental. It's
not like you're going to change his mechanics. He is
whatever's going on is leading to these balls flying all
over the map and really not even close. Can we

(01:23:34):
just admit that the concussion protocol in the NFL is
out of hand. It costs the Browns the football game today,
as they were complete control at sixteen to three when
Gabriel went out with the concussion, and then they didn't
score again with a third stringer Sanders. Somehow, every time
a player hits their head they have a concussion and
they do not come back into the game and then

(01:23:54):
are held out the following game. How is this even
possible if they have a concussion, why are they able
to come back and then play two games later, so
therefore they can't get CTE by being held out one game.
It's completely ridiculous. Please help us understand. How is Atlanta
not firing their coach every time? Well, I'll talk about

(01:24:17):
it Atlanta later on the concussion thing. I think the
NFL is clearly very sensitive after getting sued and losing
because they didn't give a shit, just like the NFL
was no different in high school football. Anytime we got
our bells wrong, you were just told like shake it off.
That's how football used to be and it changed when
they got the lawsuits the CTE, So they are just

(01:24:39):
trying to follow I said this forever about weed and drugs.
Do you think the owners really care if you do
drugs or smoked weed in nineteen ninety seven, You don't
think half the owners are smoking weed on a nightly basis.
It was about insurance. It was about the coverage, so
they had to follow these rules for their business model.

(01:25:01):
It wasn't because they were taking some moral stance. Maybe
some guys did, but most of them didn't give a
you know what. I think the same thing for concussion.
They're just trying to mitigate their risks of getting sued. Now,
I also think that the reason the concussion protocol it's
about showing symptoms. So if you're still showing symptoms, they

(01:25:22):
will not let you out. I think, you know, it's
not like I've read that many studies, but clearly you
are more likely to have another concussion once you've had
a concussion, So if you do not pass the protocol
and they put you back, you're more likely to have them.
Look at TUA now doesn't mean you go a rest
of a career and never have another one again. But

(01:25:43):
like Dylan Gabriel once he gets shows the signs, they
don't let them back in the game. It's really that simple.
I mean, it's we could argue over the you know,
the outcome of it all, like is actually doing that much?
Probably not right if because ultimately, I like, if I
get a cussion and you hold me out a couple
of games and then I come back and two weeks

(01:26:04):
later I get another concussion, it's like, well, this is
a pretty bad outcome. But again, these guys. No one's
forcing these people to do it. You know, it's like
the tu a thing he does not need to play.
He could or just quit now. Quitting when you're making
forty fifty million dollars a year, news flash, nobody. It's
also fun to play football, like twenty seven? What else

(01:26:24):
am I going to do? So I think they're kind
of in a tough spot. They're trying to do the
right thing. There is no perfect answer, and like the
players have a lot of juice too. It's not like
the teams are in full control, right, It's like, well
you're out for the year. NFLPA would sue should the
Lions consider moving off golf? Maybe an overreaction to the

(01:26:45):
Philly loss, but he was horrendous. He's a very good
quarterback when things are going right and the weather is fine.
I just don't see the Lions reaching their ultimate goal.
I think it's an easy thing to bring up, but
I'm not sure what your other options are. Who are
you finding and who are you getting that is even
remotely close to as good as him? Now, should you
be in the market of like drafting guy in the

(01:27:07):
second or third round, I got no issue with that,
But the likelihood on getting a second round or that
just becomes a starter. The percentages are pretty low. It's
fifty to fifty in like the top fifteen. It's much
lower than that once you get out of the first round, right,
and once you move down the rounds, it gets really
really low. And just because you're a starter doesn't mean
you're good. So the likelihood that you're gonna be better

(01:27:28):
than Jared Goff who has some flaws, but when his
career is over, what's it going to be a six
time pro bowler? So you're gonna find a guy in
the third round that just ever makes a Pro Bowl.
It's history would say that's extremely unlikely. So they're just
in a tough spot. They're kind of it feels like
a little bit stuck watching the snoozefest of the lines

(01:27:52):
and the Eagles. Lions stopped the Eagles on a fourth
and one push push and get the ball at the
Eagles thirty to start the drive with three minutes left,
down ten with three timeouts. Would a team ever immediately
kick a field goal and then give the ball back
with three timeouts and the two minute warning. I thought
about this the moment they stopped the Eagles on the tushbush.

(01:28:15):
Now here's the thing. Dan Campbell wasn't kicking field goals
all game long. He was clearly hesitant to do it.
But you could have justified especially. I mean, if he
hits it, you're in pretty good shape. Again, your defense
isn't going to get a stop. That's the bigger question.
But it propped up in my mind, should you just
kick a field goal immediately, especially if you have a
lot of faith in your kicker, which their kicker is

(01:28:36):
clearly pretty good. I think I wouldn't have had an
issue with it, because if you're trying to go thirty
yards with a quarterback who has not played well, all
of a sudden, you waste a minute and a half
and it's like, Okay, we got three timeouts, but we
didn't even We end up kicking a field goal anyway,
and there's a buck twenty on the clock, So I yeah,

(01:28:57):
I mean, I don't think it would have been that
crazy they would have done that. Sitting here after the
Lions lost, and I'm absolutely gutted. I don't understand how
a team like Philly, loaded with weapons and high priced
players everywhere, are able to continue to get massive defensive
help in trades. Why the hell doesn't Brad Holmes even

(01:29:20):
make any moves or our cap situation is much worse
than Philly. It seems like an excuse is always quote
the future. But Philly's been dominating and trading for years. Well.
Two things. One, their owner front loads a lot of
these contracts, so they're signing bonuses and money that they
can admortize over the course of the contract. Is because

(01:29:46):
the owner is spending a lot of cash. So if
I type in cash spent on NFL team's last four years,
the let me just see this, because it showed twenty
twenty five the Eagles were really high and Detroit just

(01:30:09):
isn't as high. So Philly, Minnesota is high this year.
Damn so twenty like next year, you guys are high too. Actually,
this isn't the list I'm looking for the last couple
of years. I don't know how I'm gonna find it.
Not a great podcast here the information. But I think
over the course of the last four years, like twenty one,

(01:30:31):
twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four, the only team
that's spent more actual cash was the Cleveland Browns in
relation to the Philadelphia Eagles, and the forty nine ers
are right there too. Their owners are spending huge amounts
of guaranteed money and big upfront signing bonuses, where then
they can kind of spread it throughout the cap. I

(01:30:54):
also think this how he has a lot of equity
and one his nature, he's much more like an NBA
or Baseball GM, where he's numb to moves. Most football
guys are very reluctant to make big splashes around the
trade deadline. How he does not give a shit, so
his capacity for risk is in a different world than

(01:31:18):
the overwhelming percentage of gms. But especially Brad Holmes is
kind of showing this like that's not really there, am up,
Like how he's gonna outtrade him more often than not
because he's willing to do riskier things. And I think
it's and I've said this before most gms, especially when
you're in a job that like it's not he's getting fired.

(01:31:39):
You just go, well, we got we gotta we got
a long runway here. The Eagles do not think long runways.
Like the Eagles just won a Super Bowl. I know,
I spent so many hours and so many days around
this guy that they live every single day like like
it's very serious. So Week ten to them, the year

(01:32:02):
after winning a Super Bowl is no different than Week
ten to them three years ago after losing in the
first round. They emphasize, you know, and starts with Howie,
how important every like winning every single year is. And
they have the support from their owner. So I just
think most teams aren't like that. Like this, Let's face it,

(01:32:24):
these last couple of years for the Lions is pretty
incredible for their ownership. You see the face on Jeffrey
Leary A couple was it the Monday night game against
the Packers. I mean they're playing Monday night, their team
that game going in there, six and two, they're the
defending champs, and it's whatever. The score was seven to three.

(01:32:46):
I mean, it was a hard game to watch. He
looked like he was being forced to get a colonoscopy
or something. It's like, Jeffrey, your franchise is worth like
eight billion dollars. You have a Super Bowl ring on
your finger. And he was pissed off, like he was
legitimately pissed off, especially because he likes offense. He wants
to score points. You know. That's the thing. Like Howie

(01:33:06):
doesn't mind he'd won a Super Bowl anyway or any different.
You know, they if they the worst offense but a
great defense, they win the Super Bowl. Jeffrey wants to
pass and throw and score points. Like that's what he likes.

(01:33:33):
Does cam Ward have the worst supporting cast of all time?
Right now? The Titans have the number one ranked most
difficult schedule this season, with Mike McCoy coaching and the
rest of Brian Callahan's disaster coaching staff still around. A
quarterback coach Colin plays, which obviously is not going well.
On top of all that, he's throwing to Van Jefferson,

(01:33:55):
Mason Kinsney, and two fourth round rookies as the starting
wide receiver corps. He's playing the NFL's number one toughest
schedule with a practice squad wide receiver and an interim
head coach. He's got to be better, but it's hard
to judge him. It's a disastrous situation. There's really no
way around it. This notion. When I see I saw

(01:34:15):
Bruce Feldman throughout the like Lane Kiffen would be interested
in the Titans. Lane kiffn makes eleven million dollars. The
Titans are just paying Brian Callahan three million dollars, So one,
they'd have to almost four x the amount they pay
a coach, and two the team is absolutely abysmal. I'd
be lying if I said I've watched most Titans over

(01:34:35):
the last month that they are and every time I
looked over playing the Texans, they are. They're a terrible product.
Just putting my consumer hat on. Just as someone if
I was doing something else for a living and just
lover of football, they are someone you would just not watch, right,
like if you like baseball or basketball or whatever sport,

(01:34:55):
Like there are certain teams like if you said, hey,
what's your opinion on Deon Sanders in Colorado this year?
Like I don't have one. I haven't watched a snap.
I don't have time to watch awful football on Saturdays
when there's good football on right. They're an interesting story
when they have you know, NFL players and are gonna
win eight nine games. But if you think I wasn't
watching Colorado over the last couple of decades when they sucked,

(01:35:18):
why am I gonna watch him now? With three or
four wins? They're an unwatchable team. No divin the Titans,
like you, the Saints, some of these teams are just
if you're gonna win three four games, the consumer is
not gonna consume you. So the GM, Borganzi and Brinker,
the packer guy who's the above him, they got a

(01:35:40):
lot to do. I like cam Ward to Miami, but
he's not good enough to overcome just abysmal talent surrounding him.
No chance. And obviously they're coaching him and Mike McCoy
now granted, and he's the head coach because they fired
the guy. But I just think the Titans, it's sad.

(01:36:03):
Nashville is one of my favorite cities in America, and
they are gonna be really really bad for a long time.
I mean really bad because also their division is not
bad right. If the Colts just gets solid quarterback played,
they're gonna be pretty competitive these next couple of years.
The Texans defense is elite, I mean elite. The Jags
are gonna win ten eleven games the Titans. When you

(01:36:27):
go back to back with the number one overall pick,
and not because you know, the Bears did it one year,
but it was because they traded. When you truly go
back to back years having the number one overall pick,
it's it's pretty it's pretty ugly. That's hard. It's hard
to do. Okay, two more questions. I've recently been learning

(01:36:50):
more about the sport of rugby due to Netflix show
Rugged Rugby on the South Korean teams. It made me think,
why isn't the sport more popular over here since it's
similar to football. Also, what position groups do you think
specific players in the NFL would excel at the sport? Well,
all my college roommates played rugby at cal Paly, so

(01:37:13):
I used to go to games, and my Maria's uncle
played rugby at Saint Mary's, which is a you know,
they have pretty good basketball schools where Della Dova went
to college. Randy Bennis their basketball coach. But there are
rugby team is now currently one of, if not the
best college rugby programs in the country. They're better than

(01:37:35):
Cow that historically was really good. So I used to
watch all these teams play, and obviously I used to
think about it, like how good so and so player
would be at rugby, for example, when I was in college,
Like if you put La Ladanian, Tomlinson, any elite running
back would dominate on the wings at rugby. You know

(01:37:55):
Alvin Kamara, Saquon Barkley right that the you know, Eric
Henry would probably be like a hybrid rugg I don't
even know what position he would play, but he would
be dominant. Any linebacker would be. It'd be incredible, especially
if the tall, long ones like an ear Locker or
a Keikley. I think rugby's problem is we love football

(01:38:18):
here and we get our rocks off from a physical
standpoint with tackling with football and pats, and there's an
element of rugby where it's like it's almost more dangerous
in the sense because none of these guys are wearing
pads and they're full speed running at each other. But
it just doesn't resonate here. You know, my dad and

(01:38:41):
his dad loved to fish. I mean, my dad loved
to fish. He was He liked fly fishing, probably more
or as much as I like like football or whatever.
Like loved it. And they used to go to New Zealand,
you know, around wintertime for a couple of weeks agoing.
His dad would take him on like fly fishing trips,
you know, my grandpa, he was retired. He loved would

(01:39:02):
he loved the outdoors, loved duck hunting, love fishing. Bit conservative, ironically,
like redneck guy. But he was a professor at CAL Berkeley,
probably one of the rare republican professors at Cal in
the history of the university. But again it wasn't that
weird in like the seventies and eighties. People just got along.

(01:39:23):
But they so he used to always talk and bring
me back gear of like the All Blacks. I just
think we have the Green Bay Packers, we have the
Dallas Cowboys. You know, we have Alabama. So football is
so big that it's hard for rugby. You know. The
reason UFC has really gained ground is because boxing kind

(01:39:45):
of fell off and UFC is well run. If football
was a disaster, then other sports like a rugby could
fill our physical Cup, but we don't really need it
because football is on all day Saturday, all day Sunday,
Thursday night, Monday night, Friday night. It's just it's a
all the time. I saw this clip yesterday Carson Palmer

(01:40:08):
Santa Margarita's the head coach. Just one. I think they're
in like the semi finals of Southern California for Division one.
I was thinking. My coach in high school football was
named Lee Scarabo. I mean, he was just a joke.
I mean he was just an abomination as a head coach,
had no clue what he was doing. I was thinking,
I can't imagine some of these kids. Your head coach

(01:40:30):
is Carson Palmer. Can you imagine going home? If you're
like seventeen, You're like, god, Dad, my coach, he just
doesn't quite understand, man. No, I no, he actually understands.
He played like fifteen years in the NFL when the
Heisman Trophy started at USC. Obviously, I'm sure it was
an unreal high school player. Like, no, he kind of
gets what you're going through. Actually, he understands completely, and

(01:40:54):
when it comes to football, he's got a pretty good
idea what's going on. Some of these kids, And there's
no way when you're young even kind of comprehend what's
going on. But you'll look back and you'll go Courson
Palmer was my head coach in high school. Curse Carson Palmer.
You know lucky you are. Okay, we'll end on this question.

(01:41:14):
For the back, Colin had a segment about Notre Dame
not having quality wins this season. Can't really argue it,
and also think they should just join the Big Ten.
But was their national title appearance last season not filled
with quality wins? Georgia, Penn State, et cetera. I'm I'm
a much bigger believer in the eye test, like we

(01:41:37):
kind of know who's good and who's not good. Like
I've watched enough of Notre Dame. They are really good,
and I know. And this is where if you're a
Miami fan, you're like, well, if we have we're ten
and two, you're ten and two when we beat you, Like, yeah, true,
you did beat us, But would you beat us now?
Because I think you even you'd agree, like we'd like
our chances and I'd take yeah, I'd like Notre Dame's chances.

(01:41:58):
And I saw a lane bring this up. What if
we put it on our neutral site. Can we get
Vegas on the phone? What's the line? Because I'll bet
Notre Dame's favored. I'll bet Notre Dame's favored. And I'll
bet if you made Miami favorite, every single human alive
would bet on Notre Dame. So I think Notre Dame's
really good. I've watched a lot of college football this year,

(01:42:19):
like I do over here, and they're clearly one of
the best seven or eight teams in the country. Would
it shock me at all if they won the national championship? No,
it would not. Jeremiah Love is healthy this year, remember
he was not last year. And to their quarterback play
is better this year, like their guy this year is
better than their guy last year. That was a big

(01:42:40):
part of why they got to the national championship. They
have an awesome defense, they have an awesome head coach.
They're just well run. The other thing is like, I
don't think obviously Ohio State's pretty elite, and I'd be
stunned if Ohio State doesn't when they play Indiana and
the conference championship, doesn't win that game. But beside Ohio State,
which you might not match up with till the national
champion ship. Who couldn't Notre Dame beat They could be Georgia,

(01:43:03):
they could beat Indiana, they could be Bama, they could
beat Oklahoma, they can beat Ole Miss, they could beat
Texas Tech. Like they're gonna have a good chance to
beat all these teams, right, So Miami or Georgia Tech
obviously they can beat those teams. So I I think
Notre Dame at ten and two is one, someone's like Bama.

(01:43:25):
If Bama's ten and two, they're one. All the SEC
is getting. I think the big ten more than likely,
assuming USC loses this week to Oregon, is gonna get Oregon, Indiana,
Ohio State. That's three. I think the SEC is gonna
get Georgia, Bama, Ole Miss, if Oklahoma wins out Oklahoma,

(01:43:45):
and potentially Vanderbilt. So that's that's eight. And then you
got Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech. And the only
reason they did this is so they didn't get sued.
But it's so stupid that you have to let in
the small school like North Texas or South Aliba or

(01:44:07):
South Florida. We need to scrap that because there's in
no world. And listen, I got my start at Frisone State.
So last year Boise State that that was cool, and
then we watched the game, We're like, yeah, they don't
belong here, right, You're telling me that North Texas is
better than like Utah, Like what are we doing? I

(01:44:29):
get it. You didn't want to get sued at this
point in time, Like who cares? It pains me to
say this, but because I was. I was texting with
someone the other day. It's like, Hey, should my guy
Tim Skipper at UCLA go to Colorado State and take
over the job he coached there with Jim mcawaine before
they went to Florida. And if he asked me and

(01:44:49):
he has it, I mean I haven't talked to him
in a couple of weeks. I would say, dude, you're
much better off become someone assistants head coach in the
SEC or the Big ten, like be the number two,
to be the defensive coordinator, be the assistant coach, linebacker coach.
It's easier to become a head coach at a powerful
program that way than it is coaching with these little guys.
The little guys are done. And it pains me to

(01:45:10):
say this, But Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, that
those schools are so much more likely to become Montana
and UC Davis and McNee State than they ever are
to be in the Big ten in the SEC. And
it's going to become the NFL. It's gonna be the
NFL and then basically minor league football, which is D one,
double A. In those programs, when guys miss on them,

(01:45:34):
they will evaluate their players and steal them. But right
now you are just getting all your players stolen from
so from year to year, even if you are a
good coach, you could lose half your players that and
especially at that level if you're I was texting someone
this the other day. When I was at Fresno State
in like the heyday of Pat Hill, he would have

(01:45:56):
lost on average, I don't know, ten plus guys year.
That there's not a world where all the guys that
got drafted from Fresnel State over like a decade long period,
all the top programs Oregon, SC's, Texas, Ohio State, they
would have stolen all these players because you have to
play those programs for money, and then when you do,

(01:46:17):
they just evaluate your guys and then the programs in
their conference. Right if I'm Fresne State and I play
if I play Ohio State, if I play Texas A
and M, and I play Oregon as my non conference
to make a bunch of money. Well, then all the
other programs, including those programs in their conference, watch that

(01:46:37):
cross tape, see my good players, and they get pampered
with and stolen and it sucks. So it's like we
just need to acknowledge it and just realize like that
that division of football I don't think even comes close
to existing as it does now in five years. I
don't see how it does. It's not a sustainable model,
and it pains me and it saddens me to say that.

(01:47:00):
But I think it all becomes whatever the two major conferences,
and they'll keep bringing people in or in some form
or fashion, and then everyone else and they'll all, like
Montana will be no different than Boise State. The volume

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