November 19, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin feels that Lane Kiffin should either stay at Ole Miss or go to the NFL. Steve Sarkisian gets fiery in response to rumors of him leaving Texas. Former NFL OL Brian Baldinger joins Colin to preview Shedeur Sanders' first NFL start and look ahead to the rest of Week 12.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thirteen years in the NFL played every offensive line position
for the Dallas Cowboys, made the playoffs three times. Works
for the NFL networks, does a really good job of
breaking down. I said this three or four years ago.
It just popped off the internet. I was watching Baldy's
breakdowns and he's now at the NFL Film's offices in
the Northeast. So you Quinn Williams, I said, Quinn Williams
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is another escape from New York success story. Like coach coaches,
players leave and they're just That's why I said, watch
Sauce Gardner with the Colts. Over time, it'll pay off.
I look at Quinton and I was like, Oh, that's
the Robert Solin Quinton. That's an elite top five interior
d lineman. Many people thought he was regressing. What did
the tape, say.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, I mean he had one sack with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
In the first eight games of season, he had a
sack and a half and five quarterback hits. You know,
just the other night against the Raiders. I mean, they
couldn't block them one on one. The Raiders should know
that that's not a good offensive line. But you know
him and Kenny Clark and Jdevian and you know, you
add in Logan Wilson and Malik Hooker comes back and
to Marvia and overshown. All of a sudden, this defense
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might have a chance to be pretty good. We'll find
out against Philly this week. But I mean, Jerry should
be smiling because I think it was a good deal
because Quinn could flat out play. He's just sick of losing,
is what he's sick.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Of, be honest me. But he's always been able to play.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I said this, I'm more optimistic on the Cowboys because
they don't need a quarterback and have two first round picks,
and people will trade up an overdraft quarter It's now
what we do in the NFL. You just every even
good GMS acknowledge you're going to have to overdraft that
position so they can manipulate the draft.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
They'll go out and get.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
A Caleb Downs an edge rusher, and now with Kenny
Clark and Quinn Williams an overshow and you're like, Okay,
that's a pretty good front seven.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
So I'm pretty high on them.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
A question is do you when you watch the film
on the Cowboys Ceedee Lambs are one. Do they need
to sign Pickens or it looks like to me they've
got a few of these guys who can run and catch.
Do you feel Pickens is a guy despite his personality?
Would you re sign them or do you think they're
pretty stocked at receiver.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I'd resigned them.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I mean they haven't had an ex receiver like that,
you know, maybe since Samrii Cooper first came there.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's been a big void.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And what it really allows, you know, Brian Schottenheimer and
the offense to move CD around where he's best in
matchups in motion, the Z position, and so you can
really line up a guy on the outside that take
on the best corner in some cases. Uh, And then
you know you have CD in the middle of the
field doing what he does because he's just so tough
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and skilled in there.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I think I would resign him.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
He's having the best year of his career right now,
and uh, you know, I think there's still a lot
of good football to be played this year from him.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I also think Dak's maturity is that he's dealt with
Dez Bryant. Dak makes it easier to have a court
with a teammate with a big personality. I mean, he
had Zeke, he had Dez Dak. You know, I always
tend to think like that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
AJ.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Let's talk Eagles. The AJ Brown drama, to me, would
be worse if it wasn't. Jalen Hurts, who's a Vegas
used to call it a cooler somebody was hot at
the tableship brought.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
That's kind of a Jalen. He's kind of a grown up.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He's got a high IQ EQ Philadelphia. It's interesting they
are not good when Lane Johnson doesn't play well, you know,
a line. He's a right tackle. What I mean, right
tackles aren't supposed to be that value. What happens when
he leaves? Because the Jalen's five and nine without Lane starting,
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What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, I mean you just got to look at you know,
some of the edge rushers that go over the right tackle.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I mean, you know, whether it was Von Miller's prime
or TJ.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Watt, you know you're seeing some of the best pass
rush Brian Burns, You're seeing some of the best pass
rushers in this league line up over the right tackle.
Now Fred Johnson is taking his place. No relation, by
the way, but you know they so they have it
has Like they lost to the Jets one year a
couple of years ago when Lane got hurt in the
first quarter and Bryce hoff went nuts and they turned
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the ball over. A bunch of the Jets somehow beat
the Eagles up at MetLife Stadium. So I mean there's
great pass rushers over that position, but Lane doesn't get beat.
He hasn't been beat once this whole year. Like he's
just a complete, lockdown, elite talent. He's the best tackle
in football and has been. And so when you have
to take a step down from the very best, you know,
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it starts to look a little bit normal some Sundays out.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
There, So people are really mixed on Caleb Williams. Ben
Johnson has created a run first team. They're good late,
but even the people I bring on, like Matt Hasselbeck.
I can tell it his voice. He's still not buying it.
What concerns you with Caleb obviously the good stuff, the
horsepower we can see when you break down Caleb.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Is there stuff that worries you.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Still, he's evolving. Okay, you know he's never played under
center before. You know he's playing under center and it's
a big part of what they do. I mean they
run the ball from him under center that they probably
play action.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Pass as much as anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Maybe the Rams do a little bit more, but he
did play action pass often as much as U. Kenny's
throwing the ball on timing a lot better than he
once did. He's not as frenetic as he was at
usc OR last year as a rookie.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I see an improving player and his ability to stay
on his feet.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
At this time last year he had been sacked forty
one times, and right now he's been sacked sixteen. He's
not taking nearly as many sacks. He's seeing the field.
If the guys could catch his ball a little bit better,
his stats would be better. But I think this guy's
got I mean, we'll find out he's got a big
game against Pittsburgh in that pass rush this week. But
I believe in in Caleb a lot, and I think
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he's only going to get better because I think Ben
Johnson coaches him.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The right way. He coaches him hard, he pushes him hard.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I think he's pulled all the right buttons with Caleb
right now.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So Bo Nicks great late man, he can struggle. In fact,
last week I think was the first time in nine
games they scored in their opening drive, which is strange
because Peyton is one of the great play designers in
the league. It's on script. Where are you with bow
right now?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, I thought that was a great game last week
that Jean Payton had, if I know you watched it,
but if you know, if you listen to Sean, he
was really perturbed by some of the national punits out
there saying that they're playing with the house money against
Kansas City, they don't have to be two wrecked. Well,
all he did was attack from that opening drive and
they scored, got the ball down.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
They missed Troy.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Franklin one, but they took seven deep shots in that game.
They didn't connect on all of them, but they kept
the safeties honest back there and at the end when
they needed it the most. They got the ball down
the field of Troy Franklin in you know, in overtime,
you go win that thing like.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I like his approach.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Sean Payton is maniacal about red zone offense. They missed
a couple, but they also made a couple, and they
made the important one when they needed it most. So
I like bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I like the way. I like his athletic ability, I
like his toughness.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I think Sean loves him, and he's thrown to all
young Pat Bryants, the rookie. Troy Franklin's a second year player,
like a lot of young players that they're building this
thing around. They could have gone at the trade deadline
and found another receiver. There was guys out there, but
they're building it with these young guys, and he's building
the connection that he has with these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I loved his judgment from the speeding tickets to the
legendary draft room, but I thought there was okay. I
like his spin move and then they followed up with
a throw to the end zone that I thought was
a big boy throw. Everybody's beating up, but if people
are very tribal, they're either all for him, he's getting
picked on or he's a bum. I'm kind of like, well,
(08:20):
he's a backup for a reason. What did you see
on film?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Atio?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I mean, look, he was a rough outing, there's no question.
I mean they blitzed him like crazy. There were some
breakdowns from pass protection with the right guard to the running.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Back where he was under siege. But you know, when
it was twenty three sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And he had two minutes to go down the field,
he hit Harold Fanning over the middle. I mean it
was as good as any throw you're gonna see all year.
And it was it was cloudy in there too, but
he hit Fanning for twenty five. He hit Judy on
thirty ten for ten. He ran for five when there
was an opening there. He did take two shots at
the end zone. One hit I love Ardaine right in
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the hands. It got pulled out. Yeah, Judy had a
I thought. You know what he said after the game
was important. He said, look, he goes, this is a
game of details. I need to be detailed with my guys.
Maybe the throw that was incomplete to Judy on a comeback,
you know, maybe he completes that this week with a
week of work and timing, because that's a typical route
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against the cover three zoned the receivers coming back.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
To the football and he was a little late with
the throw and that got defended. And you're right. I
mean he took another shot to the end zone.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I thought he could have hit Judy on the out,
could have gotten out of bounds, got a little closer
to the end zone, fresh set of downs. Maybe he
can make that a better decision this week with a
week of work. But the idea that he's supposed to
be great with no work, not a meaningful snap since August,
it's ludicrous.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Honestly, I don't care who it is.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Finally, you know, I've always said, if you're the last
player taken in the draft, I don't think all the
GMS passed on Brock pretty because they're all nitwithz there's limitations.
He was reckless in college. I love Collins football. I
remember him. He was a winning quarterback, but he was reckless.
He doesn't have great size. He's a little more athletic
(10:10):
than people give him credit for. But there is no
question last week when he came in, it does look
like Kyle can use about fifteen more plays. They moved
a pocket a lot with him, and where where have
you always landed?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
With him? I love him. I mean, I love his
decision making.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I love his accuracy, I love his maxie, the ability
to extend plays.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
He's not the biggest guy. He's you know, and so
there is.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
A little bit of limitation there, especially with thrown from
the pocket. But I mean he's as tough to say
come And honestly, mac Jones had played really well in
his replacement, and the question all week, week after week
was well, is Brock.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Still your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And he always stood by him and after watching him
against Arizona, he's their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Like he didn't skip a beat. He played as well
as he's.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Playing all year or anytime last year, like Edidt missed
many throws. It was really well designed. A lot of
the routes I just throw to Kittle right here on
a little you know, taking the deep. I mean it's
a great throw. It's a great route combination. Throw him
a lot of cheese and hit Kittle behind him. But
I thought he hit all the throws that were designed
to be made one on one with Kittle against the linebacker,
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one on one with McCaffrey against Cody Simon, like he
hit the throws that he had to hit, and it
was on time. He was very sharp, and it was
because that's not it. It's not it. It's not a
great defense. But they are difficult because they do a
lot and they throw a lot of coverages at you
and a lot of blitzes. And I thought he handled
things really well.
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I always say, Man, dat cafeteria is something else.
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Yeah, no, bad meal, I'm with you.
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Great seeing your baldy.
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Okay, thanks Tom?
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Yeah, j Mac.
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We got pretty good chili con Carney here, but it
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It's not quite as good as you got there.
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Speaker 2 (13:43):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Well, it's time to talk about your bff. You're amigo
Aaron Rodgers. Colin, I know you're waiting with baited breath.
What's going on with the wrist? Well, he does not
need surgery. According to Mike Tomlin, there is a fracture
in the wrist. However, in an amazing turn of events,
Tomlin hopes that Rogers is able to play this weekend
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against the Bears despite the slight fracture in his wrist.
I don't know what a slight fractor is. It sounds like,
based on yesterday's reporting that Rodgers wants to tighten the
ranks and not reveal any information. The line is still three,
but we're starting to see some two and a half's
in the desert. Yeah, this you know, the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Are funny team.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They go back and forth like overachieve, underachieve, overachieve, underachieved.
So they just played really well, got great defensive playmaking.
So now they have not been a consistent team. You
kind of get a different team every week, and so
this week, I feel like now they're going to Chicago.
Chicago is feeling itself and playing well. Everybody keeps doubting
the Bears and they just keep winning ugly.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
So I can I say something on so Bears Viking
Bears lead the whole way, blow the game at the end.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, if they don't get a sixty.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Yard kick return in the final minute, they probably lose
to the Vikings. Because remember Caleb Williams, I don't know
that Ben Johnson would have trusted him.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He didn't even.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Throw the ball on their to set up their game
winning drive to set up the field goal.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
So I don't know if they trust Caleb that much.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
So now you've got him against the Pittsburgh defense that
should have I think Heismith's back, right, you got what
Jalen Ramsey there like they got some dudes.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I took a nibble of Chicago.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
But I'm feeling like this is probably a stay away
given Rogers, it sounds like they're gonna try to get
him to go.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yeah, what about if it's Mason Rudolph? Can the Bears
win that one?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Bears will win Mason Rudolph. I think Aaron makes it.
Aaron's low mistake, high efficiency. Aaron gives them the shot.
Believe it or not, Aaron can still help marginally.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to Sneer Sanders.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
The brown people are into this man. Yeah, the Browns
starting quarterback. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
I mean so his dad, Dion Sanders, is going through
it in Colorado. The Buffaloes are three and seven. And remember,
I know Shador's feeling to eat in the NFL. Dion's
starting to feel some heat too, And Dion was asked
about his team struggles.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
If anybody is built for adversity, I am. If anybody
has built the change I am is if anybody's built
to overcome situations and child and trip relations, I am.
You got the right man, I promise you do, and
I'm going to prove that to you. I am. Just
(16:31):
give me an opportunity and give me a little more time,
and I'm going to prove that to you.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
So Colin, this is how much has changed a year ago,
this time Colorado riding high. Chador is gonna be a
top pick. Dion's great. One year later, Chador is like
not highly thought of in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
He was with the practice of those Hunter's done nothing.
Travis Hunter's done nothing.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Dion three and seven and feeling heat for the amount
of money he's made that university in the last couple
of years. I'm a little surprised at this. Are you
surprised he's feeling heat? No.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I think he's made Colorado interesting recruitings better. I don't
know how relevant they are. I mean, the college football
has really become the SEC against the Big Ten and
add Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
That's what the sport is right now.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's two major conferences with most of the good teams
plus Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know, I when when when Dion got hired.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I don't think anybody thought he was going to be
schematically Kyle Whittingham at Utah, that's not what he is,
or Lincoln Riley. What he did is he added energy, focus, enthusiasm,
and juice. Colorado Football's fun, but they don't they don't
have a big budget. It's never been that capitalized. It's
not it is what it is. It's not you know,
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it's just it's if Colorado football, I'm dead serious, could
win seven games a year, I think you'd have to
take that to the bank. I've always said that about UCLA.
It's a basketball school. If you see a like, can
we eight games a year in football? Take it now.
I said that years ago and it got flack. Yukon
right now with Jim Mora, the former Brewin coach is
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better than UCLA football.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Yukon a basketball school.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
So Colin, like again, I'm not going after Dion and
Shador here is there a whidth of the Ball brothers.
Remember how for like two years Lonzo Ball and company,
they were one of the biggest stories in sports. You
were talking about him almost every day. They were huge
national and then it quickly peters out right, do you
kind of feel like Dion and Shador they.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Had their moment in the sun And no, because I
didn't think they I didn't think there was any I mean,
there's both a lot of sizzle and not a ton
of steak.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I think that there's But the difference is Dion is not.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I mean, Dion did add juice and Shdor was a
very interesting prospect. You know, I've thought about this. I
don't remember any quarterback out of college where the people
I trusted all thought he was going late first middlesecond.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Smart people, and he tanked.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But then you started hearing about the bombed interview with
the New York Giants, which was multiple reported, multiple source.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So I I.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Just I never thought Dion was going to take this
to a top five program. So I've kind of baked in.
It was always going to be more hyped than reality.
But when they're on television and they're playing somebody, I
still watch. Yeah, then I didn't before Dion, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
That's accurate. That's fair.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Final story, conn is Baker. Mayfield has had a career
resurrection in the NFL member with the Rams. He popped briefly,
flew in for that Thursday night game against the Raiders
and won it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
He ended up.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Starting four games in LA before moving on. Sean mcvagh
talked about that experience.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
I just remember a guy that had a pretty impressive,
you know, just mental stammina over a small period of
time to absorb a lot of information and then you know,
it's one thing to absorb it. It's a totally different
thing to be able to bring it to life when
the enemy has to say.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And it was impressive.
Speaker 10 (20:11):
But I think when you watch what he's done and
kind of who he is, I think it's probably more
on par for what we expect of Baker and kind
of the outlier, you know, when you look at the
totality of everything he's done.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, it's an interesting game. The Rams are coming off
a very intense division rivalry game with Seattle that came
down to the last second, you know, a very physical
game on both sides, a lot of emotion. I would
expect the Rams to pull back. But Tampa Bay, as
you and I talked about off air today, Tampa's now
making their second long road trip cold weather, Buffalo now
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cross country. It's a tough spot for Tampa. But it
does feel like the Saints and Atlanta are a mess.
Carolina is charging you were about a year early on Carolina.
They're a real team offensively. But I kind of think
Tampa will will be in this game. That Buffalo game,
if I watched every snap, Tampa was in that game
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with ten minutes to go. They were very resilient, they
just couldn't make stops. I think Tampa will give the
RAM some pushback.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I would caution I have a feeling this may make
an appearance in headlines on Friday. And before you make
any wagers, just look at how Matthew Stafford has done
historically against one Todd Bowles and I'll leave it at
that for now.
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It's called the Teas. By the way, comes pretty good.
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
So it's always an interesting time of the year. James
Franklin's getting that Virginia Tech job. He officially get it.
So did he officially get it? He officially got it,
So that was an easy one. He got fired. He
was looking for work, and you know the advantage for
James Franklin and his agent, he was the first big
name out there ready to grab a job. Lane Kiffin's
a weird spot because everybody's coming after him.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Better jobs than.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Old Miss Florida certainly LSU, probably, But what the game
that gets played here, and it's been played my entire life,
is there's two or three major agents.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
One of them is Jimmy Sexton.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And most of these top coaches like a Sark or
Lane Kiffen, most of them have like like a Jimmy Sexton,
And so Jimmy Sexton does the work for you. You can
deny that you've taken a call. So Elaine Kiffin can.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Say I haven't talked to anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
He hasn't. He's talked to Jimmy Sexton. Jimmy Sexton does
all the work behind the scenes. Same with Sart. So
if I was Lane kiff and I would stay at
Old Miss or go at flu. Sart today got perturbed
with all the reporters talking about why he's eating go
I don't know why Stark would leave.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
This is a great job.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean, I mean, you know, I think NFL jobs
are better than college jobs.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
But there was a couple of them, like Texas.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I would take Texas now over honestly, over the Jets
or Giants, those are messes. Over the Saints, over the Titans.
I would take Texas over those jobs. I would take
Ohio State over those jobs. But start today. Earlier on
reports he could leave Texas.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
People reporting or insinuating that there's a possibility I could
leave the University of Texas, and that is absolutely false
and untrue. I'm not going anywhere. So moving forward, when
some Joe Blow decides to put something on social media
out there, we all don't run with it like it's
the gospel. Can we all agree on that on this call.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And if you have a question about my.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
Future with the University of Texas, ask me on one
of these calls, ask still Connie. He'll be more than
happy to take your call so that we can seck
the record street so we can focus on our football team,
which is really what we should be doing.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And I also think the NIL has changed the landscape.
So you know everybody was talking about Lincoln Riley. Well
they just built three hundred million dollar facilities at USC.
They're paying twenty million a year for NIL and they're
paying Lincoln seventy five million. If they had to fire him,
well they have to pay another eighty to get another coach.
Like these schools aren't don't have venture capital money, all right,
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they maybe.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
They'd have to go get it.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But I mean you're paying players now, Like the top
recruits make a million bucks. Quarterbacks make three or four.
So now I think Lane Kiffin. My feeling on Lane
is that Ole Miss has a ceiling. He can always
get quarterbacks, receivers. At Old Miss, offensive players will follow
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the coach. Lane will always have good offensive players. Defensive
players and I've been told this by coaches usually go
to the big dog schools. They want to go to
Ohio State, a Michigan, a Notre Dame, an LSU, a Georgia.
They don't necessarily follow a coach. They want to go
to the big traditional powers. Offensive guys, you know, you
recruit them, You put them on the whiteboard. Tell a receiver,
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I'm gonna give you twelve targets as a freshman and
you're gonna make nine catches. I'm gonna drow up the
plays for you. Offensive guys will follow a coach. So
Lane's concern at Old Miss, I would guess is I'm
never gonna have a Georgia defense. I'm never gonna get
that kind of defense here. My offenses will carve up anybody.
My offense is when I was at Alabama. I was
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carving up Knicks defenses at practice. But I'll never have
an elite defense. I'll always have to be kind of
one dimensional offense, driven to win. And I think Lane,
probably my gut feeling is, is considering NFL or Florida.
I don't think he'd go to LSU. So Joel thinks
Lane's already made up his mind.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I think they're out.
Speaker 12 (26:05):
You know, there was this conversation like, well, maybe at
nine to three Texas, because one of those losses is
at Ohio State, maybe they could back their way into
the playoff.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Now that's the wrong one.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Here is Joel Klatt talking about Lane Kevin he thinks
he's gonna leave ole Miss.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
If he wanted to stay, he would stay, and we
would have already known it. Look at all the other
coaches around the country that have said they're staying or
signed extensions, and ole Miss, I know, has told him
money is not a factor here. Whatever you get offered,
we will match it. So it's not that he's going
to make more somewhere else, which is starting to lead
me to believe. And again I will fully own I
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have been all over the map on this and Lane,
but Lane is a unique cat. Now I don't know
if he can come back to Ole Miss. You can't
lead him on for this long and now there's going
to start to be animus, like why aren't you signing
an extension?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
What's the problem? And I think he's going to Florida.
I think he can go back to Ole Miss.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Uh. The one of the kind of narratives that's out there.
And I hear this for a lot of coaches like
Lane Kiffin or Sark or or all these coaches as well.
I mean, he can be a legend at Old Miss.
Well he's not from Mississippi. Being a legend is not.
I mean, all the young, aggressive, smart people I've ever
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met in any business it could be education, tech, sports, casting, coaching,
none of them ever ever talk about you know, my
dream is to be a legend at blank. They want
to get paid, they want to be at a place they
can compete against the best. And if you're an Old Miss,
you're never going to get consistent recruiting classes like Georgia
and Ohio State. I don't think Lane Kiffin wakes up thinking, Hey,
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I want to be the greatest Old Miss coach of
all time. What's the value of that. That doesn't mean
you're a national champion. I think Lane wants the Hoist trophy.
I think Sark wants the Hoysta Trophy. That's why you
can hoist a trophy at Texas. I think it's very
difficult at ole Miss and people wow, he can be
he can be a legend in Oxford.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Eh Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I don't think young coaches care about legend. I think
Sean McVay is not looking to be a legend. He
wants to win another Super Bowl this year. In Matt
Stafford's last year or second to last year. That whenever
I hear that, oh, you could be you can be
a legend in Portland, Oregon, or Oxford, Mississippi or TCU,
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I never hear anybody talk like that now.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
I never hear that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I hear people want a place where their families happy
and they think they can win a national championship, and
I think Ole Miss is very hard to do it there.
I think there are seven or eight college football programs
it is just simply easier to win a Natty, and
I'll write them down Ohio State, Georgia Tech, Texas, University
(29:03):
of Florida, LSU, although they're taking crazy pills now Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida, LSU.
I don't think Michigan's that easy. I think Michigan is
a great academic institution, and it's Hardbaugh took a long
time to build a roster that could compete with Georgia.
I wouldn't put Michigan in that class. Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida, LSU.
(29:28):
A lot of people would put USC in that class.
They're somewhere between.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
It's like, I'll give you an example. Oregon.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oregon has the money to be a national champion. They
can go buy players, but they're in a state with
no high school players. So you have to convince kids
to go to rainy Weather or you can just go
buy them. That's not as easy as Texas, which doesn't
have to convince kids. It turns kids down, so does Georgia.
It's always been an advantage Florida, Louisiana, Georgia to be
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in a state where you don't have to convince because
they grow up wanting to be a Buckeye or a
Longhorn or a Georgia Bulldog, or play for the Crimson
Tide or be a Trojan. Most kids that grow up
in southern California want to play for USC. They just do.
Now Oregon pays them more. Oregon's cooler and sexier and
the facilities. But there are about five or six programs.
(30:22):
I guess probably Alabama is one of those, although in
the NIL, I'm not sure Bama is.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
I'm not sure Bama is.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I think in the NIL, when money becomes a factor,
Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida, LSU, Notre Dame Bama, Alabama
does not have big inn il money. Notre Dame is
an academic power, and it's you know, let's be honest
about it. South Bend, Indiana. The most fun you can
(30:51):
have is the first plane leaving, So let's be honest
about that. I mean, let's be honest about South Bend.
Marcus Freeman can sell, but it's you know, it's it's
you know, it's a small town that it takes a
while to get out of there. So I think Notre
Dame Bama can win titles, but I don't think it's
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as easy as it is at Georgia, Texas and Ohio State, Oklahoma. Again,
the state doesn't have a lot of five star recruits.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
It's it used to twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It doesn't as I think Oklahoma is in that USC, Oklahoma,
Notre Dame, Bama, you can win them, Oregon, but I think,
I mean, I don't think there's many schools that are
like built to win back to back Natties. Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida,
and Crazytown LSU probably that would be my top five.
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And then it's USC, Oklahoma, Bama, Notre Dame, Penn State, Clemson.
You can win them, but there's there's some stuff now.
I mean, Clemson could be in that list, but they
don't want to play the nil game. So okay, then
you've made conditions there and so sark leaving. When you
get those four or five jobs, those to me are
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better than the bottom three NFL jobs. I didn't used
to think that, but the NFL now is so quarterback centric,
so quarterback reliant, and college football gives you one great
quarterback year, maybe one and a half. So it's just
and when you get them, you got to keep them healthy.
And like the Chargers, they're struggling to do that with
Justin Herbert, just to keep them on his feet. So
there is it's Let's say the NFL gives you two
(32:31):
quarterbacks a year. Go look at the NFL right now,
there's like nine teams desperate for a quarterback. This draft
has one surefire everybody likes him guy, And if Dante
Moore stays at college, it's one. And if not Ty Simpson,
the guys I talk to do not think he's a
high top eight nine pick.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
So there you go. All right.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Kiffin, by the way, denying reports that Old has given
him an ultimatum. What they've done is we'd like an answer,
you know, week of the egg Bowl, which is the
Mississippi State game. That's not an ultimatum They've They've they've said, hey, listen,
we want to answer pretty quick. Pretty quick is not
an ultimatum. You know, sometimes you got to put a
(33:18):
ring on it. I mean, there was a song written
about that. You gotta put a ring on it. Eventually,
you know, you can push that down the.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Road for the next weekend. All right, j Mac, good
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thirteen years in the NFL played every offensive line position
for the Dallas Cowboys, made the playoffs three times. Works
for the NFL networks, does a really good job of
breaking down. I said this three or four years ago.
It just popped off the internet. I was watching Baldy's
breakdowns and he's now at the NFL Film's offices in
the Northeast. So you Quinn Williams, I said, Quinn Williams
(00:50):
is another escape from New York success story. Like coach coaches,
players leave and they're just That's why I said, watch
Sauce Gardner with the Colts. Over time, it'll pay off.
I look at Quinton and I was like, Oh, that's
the Robert Solin Quinton. That's an elite top five interior
d lineman. Many people thought he was regressing. What did
the tape, say.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, I mean he had one sack with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
In the first eight games of season, he had a
sack and a half and five quarterback hits. You know,
just the other night against the Raiders. I mean, they
couldn't block them one on one. The Raiders should know
that that's not a good offensive line. But you know
him and Kenny Clark and Jdevian and you know, you
add in Logan Wilson and Malik Hooker comes back and
to Marvia and overshown. All of a sudden, this defense
(01:34):
might have a chance to be pretty good. We'll find
out against Philly this week. But I mean, Jerry should
be smiling because I think it was a good deal
because Quinn could flat out play. He's just sick of losing,
is what he's sick.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Of, be honest me. But he's always been able to play.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I said this, I'm more optimistic on the Cowboys because
they don't need a quarterback and have two first round picks,
and people will trade up an overdraft quarter It's now
what we do in the NFL. You just every even
good GMS acknowledge you're going to have to overdraft that
position so they can manipulate the draft.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
They'll go out and get.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
A Caleb Downs an edge rusher, and now with Kenny
Clark and Quinn Williams an overshow and you're like, Okay,
that's a pretty good front seven.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
So I'm pretty high on them.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
A question is do you when you watch the film
on the Cowboys Ceedee Lambs are one. Do they need
to sign Pickens or it looks like to me they've
got a few of these guys who can run and catch.
Do you feel Pickens is a guy despite his personality?
Would you re sign them or do you think they're
pretty stocked at receiver.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I'd resigned them.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I mean they haven't had an ex receiver like that,
you know, maybe since Samrii Cooper first came there.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's been a big void.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And what it really allows, you know, Brian Schottenheimer and
the offense to move CD around where he's best in
matchups in motion, the Z position, and so you can
really line up a guy on the outside that take
on the best corner in some cases. Uh, And then
you know you have CD in the middle of the
field doing what he does because he's just so tough
(03:06):
and skilled in there.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I think I would resign him.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
He's having the best year of his career right now,
and uh, you know, I think there's still a lot
of good football to be played this year from him.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I also think Dak's maturity is that he's dealt with
Dez Bryant. Dak makes it easier to have a court
with a teammate with a big personality. I mean, he
had Zeke, he had Dez Dak. You know, I always
tend to think like that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
AJ.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Let's talk Eagles. The AJ Brown drama, to me, would
be worse if it wasn't. Jalen Hurts, who's a Vegas
used to call it a cooler somebody was hot at
the tableship brought.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
That's kind of a Jalen. He's kind of a grown up.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He's got a high IQ EQ Philadelphia. It's interesting they
are not good when Lane Johnson doesn't play well, you know,
a line. He's a right tackle. What I mean, right
tackles aren't supposed to be that value. What happens when
he leaves? Because the Jalen's five and nine without Lane starting,
(04:06):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, I mean you just got to look at you know,
some of the edge rushers that go over the right tackle.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I mean, you know, whether it was Von Miller's prime
or TJ.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Watt, you know you're seeing some of the best pass
rush Brian Burns, You're seeing some of the best pass
rushers in this league line up over the right tackle.
Now Fred Johnson is taking his place. No relation, by
the way, but you know they so they have it
has Like they lost to the Jets one year a
couple of years ago when Lane got hurt in the
first quarter and Bryce hoff went nuts and they turned
(04:36):
the ball over. A bunch of the Jets somehow beat
the Eagles up at MetLife Stadium. So I mean there's
great pass rushers over that position, but Lane doesn't get beat.
He hasn't been beat once this whole year. Like he's
just a complete, lockdown, elite talent. He's the best tackle
in football and has been. And so when you have
to take a step down from the very best, you know,
(04:58):
it starts to look a little bit normal some Sundays out.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
There, So people are really mixed on Caleb Williams. Ben
Johnson has created a run first team. They're good late,
but even the people I bring on, like Matt Hasselbeck.
I can tell it his voice. He's still not buying it.
What concerns you with Caleb obviously the good stuff, the
horsepower we can see when you break down Caleb.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Is there stuff that worries you.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Still, he's evolving. Okay, you know he's never played under
center before. You know he's playing under center and it's
a big part of what they do. I mean they
run the ball from him under center that they probably
play action.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Pass as much as anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Maybe the Rams do a little bit more, but he
did play action pass often as much as U. Kenny's
throwing the ball on timing a lot better than he
once did. He's not as frenetic as he was at
usc OR last year as a rookie.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I see an improving player and his ability to stay
on his feet.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
At this time last year he had been sacked forty
one times, and right now he's been sacked sixteen. He's
not taking nearly as many sacks. He's seeing the field.
If the guys could catch his ball a little bit better,
his stats would be better. But I think this guy's
got I mean, we'll find out he's got a big
game against Pittsburgh in that pass rush this week. But
I believe in in Caleb a lot, and I think
(06:20):
he's only going to get better because I think Ben
Johnson coaches him.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The right way. He coaches him hard, he pushes him hard.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I think he's pulled all the right buttons with Caleb
right now.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So Bo Nicks great late man, he can struggle. In fact,
last week I think was the first time in nine
games they scored in their opening drive, which is strange
because Peyton is one of the great play designers in
the league. It's on script. Where are you with bow
right now?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, I thought that was a great game last week
that Jean Payton had, if I know you watched it,
but if you know, if you listen to Sean, he
was really perturbed by some of the national punits out
there saying that they're playing with the house money against
Kansas City, they don't have to be two wrecked. Well,
all he did was attack from that opening drive and
they scored, got the ball down.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
They missed Troy.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Franklin one, but they took seven deep shots in that game.
They didn't connect on all of them, but they kept
the safeties honest back there and at the end when
they needed it the most. They got the ball down
the field of Troy Franklin in you know, in overtime,
you go win that thing like.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I like his approach.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Sean Payton is maniacal about red zone offense. They missed
a couple, but they also made a couple, and they
made the important one when they needed it most. So
I like bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I like the way. I like his athletic ability, I
like his toughness.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I think Sean loves him, and he's thrown to all
young Pat Bryants, the rookie. Troy Franklin's a second year player,
like a lot of young players that they're building this
thing around. They could have gone at the trade deadline
and found another receiver. There was guys out there, but
they're building it with these young guys, and he's building
the connection that he has with these guys.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I loved his judgment from the speeding tickets to the
legendary draft room, but I thought there was okay. I
like his spin move and then they followed up with
a throw to the end zone that I thought was
a big boy throw. Everybody's beating up, but if people
are very tribal, they're either all for him, he's getting
picked on or he's a bum. I'm kind of like, well,
(08:20):
he's a backup for a reason. What did you see
on film?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Atio?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I mean, look, he was a rough outing, there's no question.
I mean they blitzed him like crazy. There were some
breakdowns from pass protection with the right guard to the running.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Back where he was under siege. But you know, when
it was twenty three sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And he had two minutes to go down the field,
he hit Harold Fanning over the middle. I mean it
was as good as any throw you're gonna see all year.
And it was it was cloudy in there too, but
he hit Fanning for twenty five. He hit Judy on
thirty ten for ten. He ran for five when there
was an opening there. He did take two shots at
the end zone. One hit I love Ardaine right in
(08:57):
the hands. It got pulled out. Yeah, Judy had a
I thought. You know what he said after the game
was important. He said, look, he goes, this is a
game of details. I need to be detailed with my guys.
Maybe the throw that was incomplete to Judy on a comeback,
you know, maybe he completes that this week with a
week of work and timing, because that's a typical route
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against the cover three zoned the receivers coming back.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
To the football and he was a little late with
the throw and that got defended. And you're right. I
mean he took another shot to the end zone.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I thought he could have hit Judy on the out,
could have gotten out of bounds, got a little closer
to the end zone, fresh set of downs. Maybe he
can make that a better decision this week with a
week of work. But the idea that he's supposed to
be great with no work, not a meaningful snap since August,
it's ludicrous.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Honestly, I don't care who it is.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Finally, you know, I've always said, if you're the last
player taken in the draft, I don't think all the
GMS passed on Brock pretty because they're all nitwithz there's limitations.
He was reckless in college. I love Collins football. I
remember him. He was a winning quarterback, but he was reckless.
He doesn't have great size. He's a little more athletic
(10:10):
than people give him credit for. But there is no
question last week when he came in, it does look
like Kyle can use about fifteen more plays. They moved
a pocket a lot with him, and where where have
you always landed?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
With him? I love him. I mean, I love his
decision making.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I love his accuracy, I love his maxie, the ability
to extend plays.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
He's not the biggest guy. He's you know, and so
there is.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
A little bit of limitation there, especially with thrown from
the pocket. But I mean he's as tough to say
come And honestly, mac Jones had played really well in
his replacement, and the question all week, week after week
was well, is Brock.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Still your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And he always stood by him and after watching him
against Arizona, he's their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Like he didn't skip a beat. He played as well
as he's.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Playing all year or anytime last year, like Edidt missed
many throws. It was really well designed. A lot of
the routes I just throw to Kittle right here on
a little you know, taking the deep. I mean it's
a great throw. It's a great route combination. Throw him
a lot of cheese and hit Kittle behind him. But
I thought he hit all the throws that were designed
to be made one on one with Kittle against the linebacker,
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one on one with McCaffrey against Cody Simon, like he
hit the throws that he had to hit, and it
was on time. He was very sharp, and it was
because that's not it. It's not it. It's not a
great defense. But they are difficult because they do a
lot and they throw a lot of coverages at you
and a lot of blitzes. And I thought he handled
things really well.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Brian Boldinger, it is always a pleasure to talk to you.
He's in the NFL film's offices. Do they provide good,
good craft services lunch there or is it just you
and film?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
The cafeteria is unreal. I got emad down there. He's
my chef. Like the port today was on point. I
got I'm so happy right now. It was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
People always say what do you like about Fox and
I always say, Man, dat cafeteria is something else.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, no, bad meal, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Great seeing your baldy.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Okay, thanks Tom?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, j Mac.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
We got pretty good chili con Carney here, but it
doesn't it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
It's not quite as good as you got there.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I'll say, you know, I had a guy Tyler here
got me a donut today that was incredible. I mean
cafeteria here.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
You're right, it's on point.
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Speaker 6 (13:45):
Well, it's time to talk about your bff. You're amigo
Aaron Rodgers. Colin, I know you're waiting with baited breath.
What's going on with the wrist? Well, he does not
need surgery. According to Mike Tomlin, there is a fracture
in the wrist. However, in an amazing turn of events,
Tomlin hopes that Rogers is able to play this weekend
(14:06):
against the Bears despite the slight fracture in his wrist.
I don't know what a slight fractor is. It sounds like,
based on yesterday's reporting that Rodgers wants to tighten the
ranks and not reveal any information. The line is still three,
but we're starting to see some two and a half's
in the desert. Yeah, this you know, the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Are funny team.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They go back and forth like overachieve, underachieve, overachieve, underachieved.
So they just played really well, got great defensive playmaking.
So now they have not been a consistent team. You
kind of get a different team every week, and so
this week, I feel like now they're going to Chicago.
Chicago is feeling itself and playing well. Everybody keeps doubting
the Bears and they just keep winning ugly.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
So I can I say something on so Bears Viking
Bears lead the whole way, blow the game at the end.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, if they don't get a sixty.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Yard kick return in the final minute, they probably lose
to the Vikings. Because remember Caleb Williams, I don't know
that Ben Johnson would have trusted him.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He didn't even.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Throw the ball on their to set up their game
winning drive to set up the field goal.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
So I don't know if they trust Caleb that much.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
So now you've got him against the Pittsburgh defense that
should have I think Heismith's back, right, you got what
Jalen Ramsey there like they got some dudes.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I took a nibble of Chicago.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
But I'm feeling like this is probably a stay away
given Rogers, it sounds like they're gonna try to get
him to go.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yeah, what about if it's Mason Rudolph? Can the Bears
win that one?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Bears will win Mason Rudolph. I think Aaron makes it.
Aaron's low mistake, high efficiency. Aaron gives them the shot.
Believe it or not, Aaron can still help marginally.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to Sneer Sanders.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
The brown people are into this man. Yeah, the Browns
starting quarterback. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
I mean so his dad, Dion Sanders, is going through
it in Colorado. The Buffaloes are three and seven. And remember,
I know Shador's feeling to eat in the NFL. Dion's
starting to feel some heat too, And Dion was asked
about his team struggles.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
If anybody is built for adversity, I am. If anybody
has built the change I am is if anybody's built
to overcome situations and child and trip relations, I am.
You got the right man, I promise you do, and
I'm going to prove that to you. I am. Just
(16:31):
give me an opportunity and give me a little more time,
and I'm going to prove that to you.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
So Colin, this is how much has changed a year ago,
this time Colorado riding high. Chador is gonna be a
top pick. Dion's great. One year later, Chador is like
not highly thought of in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
He was with the practice of those Hunter's done nothing.
Travis Hunter's done nothing.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Dion three and seven and feeling heat for the amount
of money he's made that university in the last couple
of years. I'm a little surprised at this. Are you
surprised he's feeling heat? No.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I think he's made Colorado interesting recruitings better. I don't
know how relevant they are. I mean, the college football
has really become the SEC against the Big Ten and
add Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
That's what the sport is right now.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's two major conferences with most of the good teams
plus Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know, I when when when Dion got hired.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I don't think anybody thought he was going to be
schematically Kyle Whittingham at Utah, that's not what he is,
or Lincoln Riley. What he did is he added energy, focus, enthusiasm,
and juice. Colorado Football's fun, but they don't they don't
have a big budget. It's never been that capitalized. It's
not it is what it is. It's not you know,
(17:49):
it's just it's if Colorado football, I'm dead serious, could
win seven games a year, I think you'd have to
take that to the bank. I've always said that about UCLA.
It's a basketball school. If you see a like, can
we eight games a year in football? Take it now.
I said that years ago and it got flack. Yukon
right now with Jim Mora, the former Brewin coach is
(18:10):
better than UCLA football.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Yukon a basketball school.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
So Colin, like again, I'm not going after Dion and
Shador here is there a whidth of the Ball brothers.
Remember how for like two years Lonzo Ball and company,
they were one of the biggest stories in sports. You
were talking about him almost every day. They were huge
national and then it quickly peters out right, do you
kind of feel like Dion and Shador they.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Had their moment in the sun And no, because I
didn't think they I didn't think there was any I mean,
there's both a lot of sizzle and not a ton
of steak.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I think that there's But the difference is Dion is not.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I mean, Dion did add juice and Shdor was a
very interesting prospect. You know, I've thought about this. I
don't remember any quarterback out of college where the people
I trusted all thought he was going late first middlesecond.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Smart people, and he tanked.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But then you started hearing about the bombed interview with
the New York Giants, which was multiple reported, multiple source.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So I I.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Just I never thought Dion was going to take this
to a top five program. So I've kind of baked in.
It was always going to be more hyped than reality.
But when they're on television and they're playing somebody, I
still watch. Yeah, then I didn't before Dion, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
That's accurate. That's fair.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Final story, conn is Baker. Mayfield has had a career
resurrection in the NFL member with the Rams. He popped briefly,
flew in for that Thursday night game against the Raiders
and won it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
He ended up.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Starting four games in LA before moving on. Sean mcvagh
talked about that experience.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
I just remember a guy that had a pretty impressive,
you know, just mental stammina over a small period of
time to absorb a lot of information and then you know,
it's one thing to absorb it. It's a totally different
thing to be able to bring it to life when
the enemy has to say.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And it was impressive.
Speaker 10 (20:11):
But I think when you watch what he's done and
kind of who he is, I think it's probably more
on par for what we expect of Baker and kind
of the outlier, you know, when you look at the
totality of everything he's done.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, it's an interesting game. The Rams are coming off
a very intense division rivalry game with Seattle that came
down to the last second, you know, a very physical
game on both sides, a lot of emotion. I would
expect the Rams to pull back. But Tampa Bay, as
you and I talked about off air today, Tampa's now
making their second long road trip cold weather, Buffalo now
(20:47):
cross country. It's a tough spot for Tampa. But it
does feel like the Saints and Atlanta are a mess.
Carolina is charging you were about a year early on Carolina.
They're a real team offensively. But I kind of think
Tampa will will be in this game. That Buffalo game,
if I watched every snap, Tampa was in that game
(21:10):
with ten minutes to go. They were very resilient, they
just couldn't make stops. I think Tampa will give the
RAM some pushback.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I would caution I have a feeling this may make
an appearance in headlines on Friday. And before you make
any wagers, just look at how Matthew Stafford has done
historically against one Todd Bowles and I'll leave it at
that for now.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
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Speaker 5 (21:44):
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Speaker 1 (21:54):
So it's always an interesting time of the year. James
Franklin's getting that Virginia Tech job. He officially get it.
So did he officially get it? He officially got it,
So that was an easy one. He got fired. He
was looking for work, and you know the advantage for
James Franklin and his agent, he was the first big
name out there ready to grab a job. Lane Kiffin's
a weird spot because everybody's coming after him.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Better jobs than.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Old Miss Florida certainly LSU, probably, But what the game
that gets played here, and it's been played my entire life,
is there's two or three major agents.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
One of them is Jimmy Sexton.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And most of these top coaches like a Sark or
Lane Kiffen, most of them have like like a Jimmy Sexton,
And so Jimmy Sexton does the work for you. You can
deny that you've taken a call. So Elaine Kiffin can.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Say I haven't talked to anybody.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
He hasn't. He's talked to Jimmy Sexton. Jimmy Sexton does
all the work behind the scenes. Same with Sart. So
if I was Lane kiff and I would stay at
Old Miss or go at flu. Sart today got perturbed
with all the reporters talking about why he's eating go
I don't know why Stark would leave.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
This is a great job.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean, I mean, you know, I think NFL jobs
are better than college jobs.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
But there was a couple of them, like Texas.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I would take Texas now over honestly, over the Jets
or Giants, those are messes. Over the Saints, over the Titans.
I would take Texas over those jobs. I would take
Ohio State over those jobs. But start today. Earlier on
reports he could leave Texas.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
People reporting or insinuating that there's a possibility I could
leave the University of Texas, and that is absolutely false
and untrue. I'm not going anywhere. So moving forward, when
some Joe Blow decides to put something on social media
out there, we all don't run with it like it's
the gospel. Can we all agree on that on this call.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And if you have a question about my.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
Future with the University of Texas, ask me on one
of these calls, ask still Connie. He'll be more than
happy to take your call so that we can seck
the record street so we can focus on our football team,
which is really what we should be doing.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And I also think the NIL has changed the landscape.
So you know everybody was talking about Lincoln Riley. Well
they just built three hundred million dollar facilities at USC.
They're paying twenty million a year for NIL and they're
paying Lincoln seventy five million. If they had to fire him,
well they have to pay another eighty to get another coach.
Like these schools aren't don't have venture capital money, all right,
(24:34):
they maybe.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
They'd have to go get it.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But I mean you're paying players now, Like the top
recruits make a million bucks. Quarterbacks make three or four.
So now I think Lane Kiffin. My feeling on Lane
is that Ole Miss has a ceiling. He can always
get quarterbacks, receivers. At Old Miss, offensive players will follow
(24:59):
the coach. Lane will always have good offensive players. Defensive
players and I've been told this by coaches usually go
to the big dog schools. They want to go to
Ohio State, a Michigan, a Notre Dame, an LSU, a Georgia.
They don't necessarily follow a coach. They want to go
to the big traditional powers. Offensive guys, you know, you
recruit them, You put them on the whiteboard. Tell a receiver,
(25:21):
I'm gonna give you twelve targets as a freshman and
you're gonna make nine catches. I'm gonna drow up the
plays for you. Offensive guys will follow a coach. So
Lane's concern at Old Miss, I would guess is I'm
never gonna have a Georgia defense. I'm never gonna get
that kind of defense here. My offenses will carve up anybody.
My offense is when I was at Alabama. I was
(25:41):
carving up Knicks defenses at practice. But I'll never have
an elite defense. I'll always have to be kind of
one dimensional offense, driven to win. And I think Lane,
probably my gut feeling is, is considering NFL or Florida.
I don't think he'd go to LSU. So Joel thinks
Lane's already made up his mind.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I think they're out.
Speaker 12 (26:05):
You know, there was this conversation like, well, maybe at
nine to three Texas, because one of those losses is
at Ohio State, maybe they could back their way into
the playoff.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Now that's the wrong one.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Here is Joel Klatt talking about Lane Kevin he thinks
he's gonna leave ole Miss.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
If he wanted to stay, he would stay, and we
would have already known it. Look at all the other
coaches around the country that have said they're staying or
signed extensions, and ole Miss, I know, has told him
money is not a factor here. Whatever you get offered,
we will match it. So it's not that he's going
to make more somewhere else, which is starting to lead
me to believe. And again I will fully own I
(26:43):
have been all over the map on this and Lane,
but Lane is a unique cat. Now I don't know
if he can come back to Ole Miss. You can't
lead him on for this long and now there's going
to start to be animus, like why aren't you signing
an extension?
Speaker 5 (26:58):
What's the problem? And I think he's going to Florida.
I think he can go back to Ole Miss.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Uh. The one of the kind of narratives that's out there.
And I hear this for a lot of coaches like
Lane Kiffin or Sark or or all these coaches as well.
I mean, he can be a legend at Old Miss.
Well he's not from Mississippi. Being a legend is not.
I mean, all the young, aggressive, smart people I've ever
(27:25):
met in any business it could be education, tech, sports, casting, coaching,
none of them ever ever talk about you know, my
dream is to be a legend at blank. They want
to get paid, they want to be at a place they
can compete against the best. And if you're an Old Miss,
you're never going to get consistent recruiting classes like Georgia
and Ohio State. I don't think Lane Kiffin wakes up thinking, Hey,
(27:49):
I want to be the greatest Old Miss coach of
all time. What's the value of that. That doesn't mean
you're a national champion. I think Lane wants the Hoist trophy.
I think Sark wants the Hoysta Trophy. That's why you
can hoist a trophy at Texas. I think it's very
difficult at ole Miss and people wow, he can be
he can be a legend in Oxford.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Eh Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I don't think young coaches care about legend. I think
Sean McVay is not looking to be a legend. He
wants to win another Super Bowl this year. In Matt
Stafford's last year or second to last year. That whenever
I hear that, oh, you could be you can be
a legend in Portland, Oregon, or Oxford, Mississippi or TCU,
(28:34):
I never hear anybody talk like that now.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
I never hear that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I hear people want a place where their families happy
and they think they can win a national championship, and
I think Ole Miss is very hard to do it there.
I think there are seven or eight college football programs
it is just simply easier to win a Natty, and
I'll write them down Ohio State, Georgia Tech, Texas, University
(29:03):
of Florida, LSU, although they're taking crazy pills now Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida, LSU.
I don't think Michigan's that easy. I think Michigan is
a great academic institution, and it's Hardbaugh took a long
time to build a roster that could compete with Georgia.
I wouldn't put Michigan in that class. Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida, LSU.
(29:28):
A lot of people would put USC in that class.
They're somewhere between.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
It's like, I'll give you an example. Oregon.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oregon has the money to be a national champion. They
can go buy players, but they're in a state with
no high school players. So you have to convince kids
to go to rainy Weather or you can just go
buy them. That's not as easy as Texas, which doesn't
have to convince kids. It turns kids down, so does Georgia.
It's always been an advantage Florida, Louisiana, Georgia to be
(30:01):
in a state where you don't have to convince because
they grow up wanting to be a Buckeye or a
Longhorn or a Georgia Bulldog, or play for the Crimson
Tide or be a Trojan. Most kids that grow up
in southern California want to play for USC. They just do.
Now Oregon pays them more. Oregon's cooler and sexier and
the facilities. But there are about five or six programs.
(30:22):
I guess probably Alabama is one of those, although in
the NIL, I'm not sure Bama is.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
I'm not sure Bama is.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I think in the NIL, when money becomes a factor,
Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida, LSU, Notre Dame Bama, Alabama
does not have big inn il money. Notre Dame is
an academic power, and it's you know, let's be honest
about it. South Bend, Indiana. The most fun you can
(30:51):
have is the first plane leaving, So let's be honest
about that. I mean, let's be honest about South Bend.
Marcus Freeman can sell, but it's you know, it's it's
you know, it's a small town that it takes a
while to get out of there. So I think Notre
Dame Bama can win titles, but I don't think it's
(31:12):
as easy as it is at Georgia, Texas and Ohio State, Oklahoma. Again,
the state doesn't have a lot of five star recruits.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
It's it used to twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It doesn't as I think Oklahoma is in that USC, Oklahoma,
Notre Dame, Bama, you can win them, Oregon, but I think,
I mean, I don't think there's many schools that are
like built to win back to back Natties. Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Florida,
and Crazytown LSU probably that would be my top five.
(31:46):
And then it's USC, Oklahoma, Bama, Notre Dame, Penn State, Clemson.
You can win them, but there's there's some stuff now.
I mean, Clemson could be in that list, but they
don't want to play the nil game. So okay, then
you've made conditions there and so sark leaving. When you
get those four or five jobs, those to me are
(32:08):
better than the bottom three NFL jobs. I didn't used
to think that, but the NFL now is so quarterback centric,
so quarterback reliant, and college football gives you one great
quarterback year, maybe one and a half. So it's just
and when you get them, you got to keep them healthy.
And like the Chargers, they're struggling to do that with
Justin Herbert, just to keep them on his feet. So
there is it's Let's say the NFL gives you two
(32:31):
quarterbacks a year. Go look at the NFL right now,
there's like nine teams desperate for a quarterback. This draft
has one surefire everybody likes him guy, And if Dante
Moore stays at college, it's one. And if not Ty Simpson,
the guys I talk to do not think he's a
high top eight nine pick.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
So there you go. All right.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Kiffin, by the way, denying reports that Old has given
him an ultimatum. What they've done is we'd like an answer,
you know, week of the egg Bowl, which is the
Mississippi State game. That's not an ultimatum They've They've they've said, hey, listen,
we want to answer pretty quick. Pretty quick is not
an ultimatum. You know, sometimes you got to put a
(33:18):
ring on it. I mean, there was a song written
about that. You gotta put a ring on it. Eventually,
you know, you can push that down the.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Road for the next weekend. All right, j Mac, good
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