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November 19, 2025 41 mins

Colin unveils his NFL Playoff predictions, projecting the full postseason picture if the playoffs started today, including his early Super Bowl matchup: Can the Eagles win it all 2 years in a row? Plus, Fox Sports College Football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to deliver can’t-miss insights on the College Football Playoff race—including why Texas is officially out, and how Ohio State’s defense could be one of the most dominant units in college football history.

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, our number two hour one flew by.
It's the Hurt. So before we get to Joel Clatten
about five or six minutes. I came in this morning,
and then in the current playoff picture, the Detroit Lions,
the Ravens, and the Chiefs are not in. So this

(00:47):
is what I'm about to do is hypothetical. But if
the Colts, if the Colts beat the Chiefs this weekend,
I don't think Kangady is making the playoffs. And Detroit
right now is in a fight because right now, this morning,
they got their head coach taken over play calling duties.
And I don't love where Detroit's at, although I love

(01:07):
their roster. So I said, it's most of the teams
that are in the playoffs I think are going to stick.
I think we're pretty close. So let's take the teams.
If the playoffs started today, this would be the playoff matchups.
Denver get to buy as a number one seed. I
think that will be the case. I would take in

(01:29):
the wild card round Buffalo to beat Pittsburgh, even though
it's at Pittsburgh, because they won their division. Pittsburgh's lost
six straight playoff games and in five or six they've
been dashed. And if you have a good run game,
you could give Buffalo trouble here. But I get a
major major quarterback advantage, major offense advantage, and Pittsburgh can't

(01:50):
run the ball and they have not ended seasons well
since it's about twenty sixteen. Buffalo, I would take the
Colts at home over the charge, a dependable run game
and O line again if maybe if it's on the road,
it's different. But folks, the better roster right now due
to injuries is the Colts. And I have said this

(02:12):
in the playoffs in baseball, say it in the NFL playoffs.
Good old lines endure and last and keep the ball
away from star coaches and star quarterbacks to take the Colts.
And then I would take the Patriots at home to
beat the Jags in the wild card round. You trust
Jacksonville and cold Weather. Really you trust Trevor Lawrence cold

(02:33):
Weather up North, I don't, so I would have Denver
by Buffalo, Colts Patriots advancing. Now we go to the
divisional round, I would take Denver over Buffalo. Denver at
home off of by Sean Payton, offensive coach, off of Bye.
First of all, the Bills can't stop the run. Between

(02:56):
Bonnicks Bnicks's legs and the run game, I think it'd
be death by a thousand Cucks. Colts Patriots, Daniel Jones, regression,
cold Weather. I'm going to take New England. I don't
trust Daniel Jones in this spot. I think New England
pressure is the quarterback. I've watched Daniel Jones with a

(03:19):
little pressure. I know what I get now Patriots Broncos.
I'm taking Denver. More playmakers on both sides of the ball,
more elite players in their prime. If you look at
recent history, offensive coach against defensive coach in divisional round
and conference championships has favored the offensive coach Denver to

(03:43):
the super Bowl. As of today, now Baltimore and Kansas
City today are not in the AFC playoffs. Maybe that
changes things, but the matchups. That's where I would go. NFC.
Let's go wildcard Seattle Tampa, with the Eagles getting the buy.
I take Seattle. Why better overall roster if you look

(04:04):
at Baker Mayfield when facing pressure this year, and Seattle
applies a lot of pressure. Baker facing pressure forty six
passer rating. Seattle is also, bizarrely the best road team
in the NFL the last two years. Green Bay Chicago's
a coin flip. If it's at Chicago, I'd take Chicago,

(04:25):
I would. I'd take Caleb Williams making a play. Chicago
in bad weather, and that'll be bad weather. Is a
consistently better run team. Chicago runs the ball a lot
and runs it well. Green Bay runs it a lot
and doesn't run it well. I would take the Bears
in an ugly, windy, cold, low scoring game. Niners at

(04:46):
the Rams mcvay's head, Shanahan's number recently. I think it's
a Rams have a better overall roster. I trust their health,
I trust their offensive and defensive consistency. No question, are
the much better defense than the Niners this year, and
that's not particularly close. Now we go to the NFC
Divisional Round, I would take the Eagles off of by

(05:09):
beating Seattle. Why Philly in the playoffs creates turnovers. Seattle
leads the NFL in giveaways. Sam in this spot, cold
windy on the road. What Philadelphia does well defensively, Seattle
can struggle with offensively. Take Philly Bears Rams again. If
you go look at the Rams under McVeigh home playoff games,

(05:30):
they win, and they win convincingly. I think the more
well rounded team, the veteran quarterback, the veteran coach. Take
the Rams to win convincingly. Rams Philly game of the
year in the playoffs. I would take the Rams. Listen
right now. The Rams defense, everybody is good, the Rams
offense more consistent. The Rams run the ball better, they

(05:53):
throw it better. I get McVeigh Stafford over Hurt Siriani
in a big spot. As long as it's not blowing sideways.
Even if it is, Rams running game is better. I'll
take the Rams. We get to the Super Bowl. Rams
over Denver again. I get the veteran quarterback, two great defenses.

(06:14):
The Rams are the least penalized team in the league.
The Broncos are the most penalized team in the league
in close games. That stuff matters. Stafford McVay when their
second Super Bowl together. As of now Baltimore Chiefs couldn't
make the playoffs. I would take Denver j Max beside himself.

(06:38):
He didn't know what to do with it.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'm flying the gaster the Denver Broncos in.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
The Super Bowl. What how do you know if the
Bills winning in the first round. I mean, there's too
much there to you on. I know we got a guess.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Let's revisit later in the Okay, okay, and Joel Klatt
now joining us live the college football play off. Miami
is all upset, boy, Miami is all upset. And I said,
they're nine fans in America are furious. I think head
to head matters less than it used to. It still matters, absolutely,

(07:13):
but it doesn't matter like it did. You It's like
the NFL the Raiders beet the Patriots in Week one,
nobody cares. As college football has created a playoff and
has extended their season more games, it just doesn't have
the impact. And right now, those two ugly losses for Miami,
I would put Notre Dame narrowly ahead of Miami, would you? So?

(07:34):
I think it matters if you're comparing them directly, and
right now they're not being compared directly, and I think
that's where it's at. And I do think that the
Playoff Committee has, maybe artificially, but they have created a
buffer between Miami and Notre Dame so that they're not compared,
you know. And you can maybe say that's intentionally. I'm
not sure, but for instance, the resume for Alabama is

(07:55):
much better than Notre Dame, so it doesn't really make
sense for them to fall behind Notre Dame and US.
You're going to go just based on eye tests. And
remember there are coaches on this committee. Mark Dantonio, the
former Michigan State coach, he's obviously going to favor a
run oriented team that's consistent. Well that's Notre Dame versus Alabama.
Mike Riley is on the staff, you know, which can't

(08:16):
run the football. So I think that the eye test
has won out in a lot of these arguments for
this version of the committee. And right now there's a buffer.
You've got Utah and BYU sitting in there, you've got Alabama,
so you don't have to directly compare Notre Dame in Miami. Now,
if they for whatever reason, get closer to one another
and it becomes a discussion about Miami or Notre Dame

(08:37):
for inclusion into the playoff. Then you have to go
head to head. This is where I would disagree with you.
If it comes down to those two, you have to
honor the on field result. But until they're compared directly,
at this point, the committee is not really taking that
into consideration. So Georgia beats Texas again with physicality. All
three games have looked the same to me. I didn't

(08:59):
think our played bad. I didn't think he was the story.
What are we to make I've said this, USC and Texas,
even when they're good or kind of pretty, Georgia's never
been pretty. I think Georgia is just an awful matchup
for Texas. I actually think, I actually think, and I
was wrong on this. I think Oklahoma is actually built

(09:20):
like an SEC team. They they were good quarter. They
proved that at Bama. You know, they went in there
and played great defense. That's right. And what do we
think of the Texas Longhorns today? What do we think
of them? I think they're out. You know, there was
this conversation like, well, maybe at nine to three, Texas
because one of those losses is at Ohio State, maybe

(09:41):
they could back their way into the playoff. No, no, no,
I'm done with that, not after the way that they
lost to Georgia, not after their even by the way,
a couple of their close wins are awful. I mean,
Missippi State and Kentucky are not good football teams. They
had to take overtime to do that. In fact, they
remind me a lot of last year's BAMA team that
was left out of the poff. Remember, last year's Bama

(10:01):
team was nine to three. Last year's BAMA team had
to win over Georgia, and this year, you know, Texas
has a big win over Oklahoma. So you've got two
big wins. They each had really difficult road losses this
year Texas at Ohio State. Last year Bama at Tennessee,
and then they each had bad, brutal late season beats
on the road. Last year's BAMA team got drilled by

(10:23):
Oklahoma late, and Texas this year got drilled by Georgia late.
To me, it's not a resume that you can get
back into the playoffs. So to me, Texas is done,
and any conversation that suggests otherwise is nefarious in my estimation,
if you look at their resume, if you watch them
on tape, neither of those things can put Texas into
that college football playoff. And Georgia, by the way, I

(10:46):
just think Georgia is the best SEC team that we
that we're seeing right now, whether they get to the
SEC championship game or not, calling that's the best team
in the SEC because you got to play against great
players who believe in their coach, and their coach believes
in the Think about that sequence where they go for
it on fourth down, fourth and one from their own
thirty five yard line, up fourteen to ten, and all

(11:07):
of a sudden, Arts goes from throwing a touchdown pass
with five and a half minutes left, he doesn't see
the ball again until eight minutes to go in the
fourth quarter, down twenty eight ten. What a sequence in
there with the on side kick the fourth downs, Kirby
was amazing. What if Texas hammers Texas A and M.
I don't care like hammer one one to seven. Do
you really think that? I mean, I don't think. I

(11:29):
don't buy Texas A and M, so I don't. I
watched the entire game last week. I don't care. You
can't get down thirty to three at home to South Carolina.
I think Texas gonna beat Texas and M soundly, and
then they're gonna say, well, okay, we lost to Georgia. Well,
they're the best team and we narrowly lost. They also
they also needed a punt return in overtime to beat
Mississippi State. They also needed overtime to beat Kentucky. You know,

(11:53):
like I, I don't, I don't see it. I don't
see it with Texas. Now, if you were going to
set a precedent for a nine and three team to
make the playoffs, let's make them good. You know, this
Texas team hasn't even played well for sixty minutes, not
one time this entire season. So that would I mean,
I would call them the question that they're all of
a sudden gonna drill Texas A and M. I mean
A and M. Yes, you ride the roller coaster. You

(12:16):
got the terrible first half, but they had a great
second half. And I think I just don't think that
at nine and three, Texas has any business sniffing around
this playoff.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
No.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I just say, if they blow out an A and M,
they'll be three and two against I mean, you could
have an eleven and two BYU. You could have a
ten and two Utah, you could have a ten and
two USC. I mean there are a lot of teams
that you can have a ten and three Alabama. You know,
what do you do with the ten and three Alabama
that goes to the SEC championship game maybe and loses.
I mean, what do you do with them? They would

(12:45):
be over at Texas. So I think Texas has too
much to overcome. All Right, the UFC Oregon, now, I
don't think. I don't know if they can block Oregon.
I do not know if USC can block Oregon's two
first round defensive lineing up. I'm not as concerned with
if they can block them whether they can tackle them.
I think Oregon's gonna win by about ten to thirteen points,

(13:07):
do you know. I think it's a bad matchup for USC.
And I said the same thing about about the Iowa
game last last week. In Iowa did cover, but USC
showed me a lot winning that game in those conditions
the way that they did, being down twenty one to
seven and coming back and winning that football game that
was really really good, and in particular their defense holding
Iowa to nothing really one hundred yards and no points

(13:28):
in the second half. That was huge. But Oregon's a
different animal, and that location where they're playing different animal.
We know that USC struggles a little bit on their
road even though they've gotten some road victories here this season.
If I told you that Oregon was the second best
rushing team in the country yards per carry, you'd be like, oh,
I didn't realize that. Well they are. They're ahead of

(13:50):
teams like Notre Dame. Notre Dame shredded this USC defense
running the football, and Oregon will line up with a
stable of backs. They've got three or four different backs
that they can hand the football too, and they will
run the rock with physicality. They did it against Iowa,
They've been doing it against everybody. So the fact that
they're binged up at the wide receiver position in the
skill positions with who is that Gary Bryant has been

(14:12):
out to, Coreyan Moore has been out, that doesn't bother
me as much because they can lean on the run game,
specifically against this us USC team. By the way, they
couple that with the number one pass defense in America.
So again it's like the matchup does not favor USC.
If they win this, they will be firmly in the
playoff in my estimation, because it's not a matchup that

(14:33):
favors them, and it's a tough location to play. You know,
it really comes down to USC and they had they
beaten Illinois, which by the way, they scored the go
ahead touchdown. I was there with a minute to go,
and I remember I got a text from a friend.
He goes, boy, they pulled it out, and I said, no, no,
Illinoi's got a great kicker, us Seed not stopping them.
Their defense been on the field. If they scored too fast,

(14:55):
I said it on the broadcast. Yeah, they scored with
too much time left, and that defense for in the
second half, Illinois was doing whatever they wanted to. They
scored too fast. They won that game. You could lose
close to Oregon, you lose the notre name. You can
get into the playoff. But I don't. I don't think
they match up well. So let me throw this out,
is that I read these stories. I don't know if

(15:16):
I believe them that there's an ultimatum. Old miss has
given Lane Kiff and an ultimatum. Now my take is,
could they be somewhere in the middle, right, I mean,
couldn't they be like, hey, we need an answer. But
it's not a full ultimatum, so you can you can
say like, no, that's totally false. There's no ultimatum, but
behind the scenes they're probably like, hey, like we need
an answer. So I think he should stay at Old

(15:38):
Miss or go pro. I don't want him bounce into
LSU or Florida either. Stay at Old Miss. They've got
in IL money. I made a call on that two
days ago. They've got in IL money. That's not an
issue he'll be I think the SEC jobs outside of
maybe Georgia are all kind of the same. They're all dysfunctional,
a bit delusional Georgia between Georgia high school football and

(16:00):
Florida and just the revenue Georgia to me is like,
it's good, it's a top five job in the country,
maybe Bama, but Bama doesn't have Georgia's high school football
talent within one hundred feet of the campus. So to me,
if you have an SEC job and you're winning, stay
in that job or you disagree. I don't disagree. And

(16:24):
my take is not necessarily on the level or quality
of the job. I would just say, if he was
going to stay at Old Mess, I think he would
have already done it. And I know I've bounced around
on this. I have been kind of all over the map.
And part of that is because Lane is all over
the map. Yeah, and you know, like like it or not,

(16:45):
Lane loves this. He loves to be the center of
attention on social media in the college football world. He
loves this. I mean he two weeks ago he ran
out under the middle of the field so that he
could photo Obama that was getting engaged on the field
at Ole Miss. And he loves being the center of attention.
And he is right now and calling you. But here's

(17:08):
the thing. If he wanted to stay, he would stay,
and we would have already known it. Look at all
the other coaches around the country that have said they're
staying or signed extensions, and ole Miss, I know, has
told him money is not a factor here. Whatever you
get offered, we will match it. So it's not that
he's going to make more somewhere else, which is starting

(17:29):
to lead me to believe. And again I will fully
own I have been all over the map on this
and Lane, but Lane is a unique cat. Now I
don't know if he can come back to ole Miss.
You can't lead him on for this long And now
there's going to start to be animus, like why aren't
you signing an extension? What's the problem. And I think
he's going to Florida, I really do. I think he's

(17:52):
going to Florida, and I think he's going to be
the next coach of the Gators. And I think that
we're going to have one of the biggest messes in
college football history go down before a playoff when Lane
Kiffin steps away from a college football playoff team and
goes to coach another team. You know what he should
say right before the Egg Bowl. That's where they want
the answer and say, well, I'm gonna make you fire.
I'm not going to give you an answer fire me,

(18:13):
and ole Miss will back off. And they can't just
say fire me. If you're going to fire me or
hire another coach and see how it plays to your
booster group, that would be the leverage he could play,
because he's certainly in the driver's seat here. But my
point being, regardless of what they're trying to do in
this quote unquote ultimatum, if he wanted to be there, Colin,
he would have already been there, he would have already signed.

(18:34):
That's where I'm starting to sit here, and I think
he's going to Florida. Well, I don't think there's anything
wrong with taking phone calls unless you're married. Other than that,
to take phone calls not with marriage, everything else, take
phone calls. Every job a good caveat. That was a

(18:55):
nice That was a really nice save there. That's a
great caveat. Okay, Ohio eight host Rutgers. All the years
you've been covering college football, those Alabama defenses were unbelievable
with Nick, but he didn't have the NIOL or transfer portal.
If he had a weakness, he had a weakness. Now
you can just go solve it. Not only can you

(19:15):
solve it, you can go get the best player in
the country and put him in the spot you need
at corner like Caleb Downs or safety. So transfer portal
is its free agency, and so it's not just you know,
if even Nick Saban would be like, we're probably one
pass rusher away. You go to a junior college, but
you can't really solve it. Now you can go buy

(19:36):
the best player in the country at that position. Does
this Ohio State defense, does it rank with the Saban
defenses or the best you've ever seen in college?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah. They've given up eight total touchdowns in ten games.
They're giving up seven and a half points per game.
I mean, yeah, absolutely, this is one of the best
defenses I've ever seen and ever covered. They're good on
every single level. I think their schematics are as as
good as I've ever seen in college. And here's the thing.
They're running the new England Patriots defense. The Patriots defense.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
That gave.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Professional play callers and quarterbacks and NFL guys problems for years.
They're running that. And the reason that they can is
that their players are so intelligent. Caleb Downs is one
of the most intelligent players that I've ever been around.
Covering this sport. Sonny styles is the same way rvel
Reese has stepped in. And by the way, I think
rvel Reese is playing himself into a top three pick

(20:31):
in college in the NFL draft, because people are going
to start to view arvel Ree like Micah Parsons or
an Abdual Carter, a guy that can play off the
ball but also on the ball and present and create pressure.
So Reese's stock is through the roof. So they've got
a top three pick in the NFL draft sitting on
their defense, and he might not even be the best

(20:51):
player on their defense because Downs is still behind him,
who's probably a top a, top top tick, top ten
excuse me pick in the NFL draft. So yeah, this
is this is as good as it gets. And it's
the marriage between Matt Patriciaan what he's doing schematically, the players,
their intellect, their physicality, their ability to run, their length,
all of it. This is the best defense that I've seen.

(21:12):
And there's been some good ones. Yeah, Nick had some
good ones at Bama. There are some really good ones
at Georgia. This one is right up there with those. Hey,
by the way, talking yesterday the day before, actually well
it was in the last seventy two hours. I have
talked to an NFL head coach. Okay, and this NFL

(21:35):
coach text me and said, Mendoz at Indiana, he said
he's one of the easier quarterbacks to evaluate that he
remembers in college. He goes because Indiana uses some NFL stuff. Yep,
he says, Indiana does a really good job. Kurt Signetti
to run some pro Sunday stuff, he said. Mendoza's you know,

(21:56):
he goes. The biggest problem, he texted me, is a
lot of times he's college programmed, are doing stuff for
years and years. Even with Mahomes. You're like, well, it
doesn't look close to the NFL. Didn't translate schematically. Yeah,
oh what is that big twelve stuff NFL? This coach said,
really easy comp He's one of the easier of OL's
arm size. NFL. You look at their offense, you'll be

(22:17):
able to watch him, watch the film and figure out, Okay,
that's what we would do on Sunday. He's either good
at it or average at it. Just throw that out
there that he's going to be. He's also got the experience,
which I love. You know that. You know I always
talk about reps and number of starts. This is what
hurts a guy like Ty Simpson who hasn't started a
huge number of games in college football. Yeah that listen.

(22:41):
Mendoza is going to be easily a top three pick,
maybe the top pick in the entire NFL draft. And
here's the thing, we haven't even gotten to the interview process.
I think that's going to be his best trait is
his interview process. When I sit with him, it's like
I'm sitting across the table from Kirk Cousins. And I
mean that in a compliment way. He understands what he's about,
he knows who he is, he knows the offense. He's

(23:03):
comfortable in his own skin. He's he's a football nerd
in the best ways possible. And so Mendoza is going
to be evaluated, just based on the film, is possibly
a number one pick. Then when he walks into the
room and they meet him, they're going to be like, Yep,
he's a face of the franchise type of guy.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
At this point with the size of Ty Simpson and
the fact that he hasn't played a ton of football,
and I would suggest to him that he go back,
Dante Moore, go back play more football in the college game.
I think Mendoza is on the trajectory to be the
number one pick in the draft. For the record, when
you played minor league baseball, what what position did you play?

(23:40):
I was a third baseman and played a little first
base as well. Reportedly you were Mike Schmidt without any
power or range. Yeah, that's right kind of you know
what I lacked in power, I made up for in
a lack of speed. Here's oh you got the swings.
Oh no, look at this. Oh well you have warning
track power. Let's see.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I was bitterly disappointed. I couldn't get one of those out.
Bitterly disappointed who was pitching. It was a machine and
it just wasn't like fast enough to try to generate
that pop that was like center field. Gross gosh, dang it,
you look like a pitcher trying to hit kind of
Now that's now, hold on a second. I'd tell you

(24:26):
my ribs were sore the next day calling I was
swinging hard man. Oh that guy, I actually got of impressed.
Look at that. I mean, I appreciate. How old are you, right,
I'm forty three? Now all right, all right, almost that's
it's a good looking swing. Almost almost all right, buddy,
Great seeing you. Great to see you as well. Good

(24:48):
to be in Chicago to see you in person. And
uh yeah, we'll see you next week. Brother. All right,
that was fun. Yeah, Michigan Northwestern turned out to be
a really really interesting game. And Wrigley Field was a
Murphy's if you ever and Wrigley Field Murphy's a good
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Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, I'm sixty. I would hope you could.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm not good at baseball, the one sport I can't do.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
All right, let's go to uh the NFL and Dan
Campbell Colin remember the big story. Hey, Dan Campbell's taking
over play calling and they destroyed Washington. Well, Dan Campbell
call plays against the Eagles and it was a disaster.
Zero for five on four downs. The offense couldn't do anything.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
I'm unraw.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Saint Brown had two catches on I believe eleven targets.
Jared Goff somehow took the blame.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Don't think anything feels off, except for this past week.
I thought I was off trying to get them the
ball and he's playing well. Man, I gotta find what
ways to get it to him in space and be
a bit more accurate in some of those instances I
have been in my career. So not something I'm worried about.
But last week was a little bit off, and part
of that. I don't think there's been any issue.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
So ask yourself, why are the Lions not as good
offensively this year? What would that be?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
So obviously the answer is Ben Johnson. But all these
Lions fans got geeked after that Washington game. Remember so look, oh,
the offense is fixed. We just needed Dan calling things.
Everybody scores on Washington. Come on, Okay, the Eagles game
was a wake up call this week.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't know. I mean, what are we to make
of when they put forty eight.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
On the Giants? Are Dan Campbell of genius again? Because
you know they're going to score it at will against
the Giants.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
This is one of the things I said, when you
have an open when you lose a great coordinator, be
very careful about hiring within the building. I said this
about Michigan football. Be very careful. When you lose an
iconic legend that wins a Natty, giving your favorite assistant
the job, is that the best guy for the jobs,
what the players like. That's why interim coaches get jobs.

(28:09):
They rarely work. And so you had Ben Johnson, who
for two years was the most talked about coordinator in
football on either side, leaves and they're like, well, a
guy in the building sort of knows what's going on. Okay,
be careful. Just this was my fear. They're not as
good offensively. Go look at their losses and what they've
scored like, they're just a mediocre offense about every third week.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, I think there's a couple of truisms in the NFL, right,
Jared Goff cold weather, outdoors against it, push up the middle,
he's not good. Cleveland Brown's defense at home great ely. Right,
there's just a few things that you know in the
NFL are true. You know, in another one, Dan Campbell,
awful loss going home against a bad team. I'm telling
you they're going to destroy the Giants and Lions fans

(28:53):
are gonna get all wacky. But again, I want to
know what GoF is going to do against the elite
teams and that game on thanks Giving is Thanksgiving has
an unbelievable slate. By the way, you cannot be eating
too much turkey and falling asleep early talent. The slate
is absolute fire next Thursday, including Alliance. Right, let's move
to George Pickens and the Dallas Cowboys. I said, Pickens

(29:15):
had another good game. Again, it depends who you cook.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
It was the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Come on.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Anyways, Pickens is very excited and cooking, and guess what
his head coach is singing his praises.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Sign me up.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
I mean, I mean, what do you say those two guys.
I just I love the relationship, man, I love the
firepower that they give us, you know. I mean that's,
you know, one of those games where you know you
never know which one is going to be. Some games
it's both of them. Some games it's one of them.
And again, like I said, I just you know, I

(29:51):
pinched myself at times. I'm very in favor of George
having a long term future with us here in Dallas.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Mm hmm, well there, old line is young and inexpensive.
Their defense. They're gonna use two first round picks to
shore up the defense that now without signing Micah is
pretty inexpensive. You're paying Dak and C d Lamb a lot.
Can you pay pickings pretty decent money?

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Well, one of the problems is the defensive tackles.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
They traded for Quintin so you got I'll butcher his name.
But osa Oh just signed a deal worths eighty million dollars.
Quintin Williams is making huge money and Kenny Clark they
have next year committed sixty million to defensive tackle Cullin okay,
which is goofy and now you're gonna pay essentially the
t Higgins and Jamarcy.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
The old line is cheap. It's cheap, it's young, and
it's inexpensive.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
It was it was okay this year. There's some injuries
which you're on my bill.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
The first two picks are going to be defense. They're
gonna get a corner in, an edge rusher, so that
will mitigate a lot of what you're paying Quinn Williams.
And for the record, every good GM in the league
is willing to pay an all pro interior alignment Quinn
Williams money.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
That is not money.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
It's not a safety or a So my take is,
if if you hit two first rounders on defense. You're
paying Dak CD Quinn Williams big boy money. I could
pay George Pickens in that T Higgins range.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, they're probably gonna tag him, right. That seems like
everybody in Dallas seems to think, oh.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You just tag him. Well, you know what, Pickens is
a fickle individual.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Okay, He's gonna be like, I need to be paid
like a top five guy, and we're gonna Jerry's gonna
say we're gonna tag you.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
I'll say this about Jerry, and you just articulated it.
He's trying to do.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Things differently, right, He's going a little cheap on the
offensive line, cheap in inexperienced, and we're gonna pay receivers
defensive tackles and hope we.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Hit on draft picks. It's different. Will it work? Time
will tell. They're not gonna be bad in the Eagles
next year. Right, Let's just be clear about that.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
They're not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
They're not gonna be better than the Eagles of the
division next year. They're gonna be looking up at Phil.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I just I think Dallas is closer than you think. Oh,
I think their second round pick now healthy this past
game against the Raiders, all their young guys played.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I like over zone, but it's the Raiders. Come on,
they're a joke.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
They you it's it's it's gonna be very hard to
run on Dallas going forward.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
That Eagles game this week is a big one, and
I think you.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I like the hook. I'll take Dallas plus three and
a half an.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Take a nibble on the money line maybe.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yes, Oh, I like it.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Final story con, let's go back to Lebron James and
the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Listen, I know you're gonna bang on the usage rate.
That can't couldn't keep up like that.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
He only had eleven points, but he had twelve dimes.
Look at that alley oop to DeAndre Ayton. I mean
that's just that's just timing.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Anyway, here we go.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
DeAndre Ayton loves playing with Lebron.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I was just telling him a fun fact. You know.
He do me alley up as second value from you.
The first one was when I was in eighth grade
at your camp. No, I think. I think JJ Reddick
has created a very smart spacing It's a really good
easy to watch a lot of different guys who can

(33:18):
create space, hit jumpers, they are a little bit redundant.
That will come into play as I mean, if you
watched that game last night, no physicality either side. Utah's
the worst defense in the league. The Lakers are a bottom.
I mean it was wide open jumpers, easy layups. Had
Lakers had sixteen layups. But that's that was it was.

(33:40):
It felt like an intense scrimmage, is what it felt like.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
That's what he said. First of all, Jake Laadi has
been a revelation. Really fine. I love that guy.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Hey, DeAndre Ayton, are you ready for this colin? He's
shooting sixty nine percent from the field, all two pointers.
I mean, he's having you could argue the best season.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Of his career. DeAndre Portland couldn't get rid of them
fast enough.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Phoenix was like, well pay him. Oh my gosh, what
the hell do we do? JJ Reddick? I know I'm
gassing up the Lakers too much, but there's a lot
to love about what Reddick has done. And they only
are now incorporating Lebron what's the ceiling for you with
this Lakers team and finals?

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Western Conference Finals?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
No, no, no, they don't listen. We know this about
the NBA. Nobody plays a lick of defense until you
get to the trade deadline in the second half and
the officials, you know, they can call it tight. They
want their stars healthy. The NBA opposite of the WNBA,

(34:40):
which lets you mall players in the regular season, so
everybody's banged up for the playoffs. The NBA is the opposite.
They quick whistle regular season. They want their stars healthy,
and then they want them healthy for the playoffs. Then
the playoffs come around and they swallow the whistles and physicality.
Fans love physical, tough, spirited passion and basketball all of us.
It's be careful about loving offensive minded teams.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
If you are an offensive leaning franchise, this is your
time to eat because nobody plays defense. So the good
offensive teams look unstoppable. I mean that game last night,
what one six?

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, listen, Utah is not quite there. I'll just say
this about the Lakers. Many they can beat you in
a lot of ways offensively, once the defense comes around,
and I don't know how it does with you know,
Reeves and La Ravia Luca, those are.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Not three great defenders, but maybe they just beat you
with offense. Colin, I don't know. I think they're gonna
give Okay, see a lot of problems. Alex Caruso can't
guard five guys, Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
J Mack with a news.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm just so glad that Cam Skataboo is okay after
seeing that video from WWE on Monday night raw, I mean,
that thing could have gone sideways. I mean, thank god
for that security guard who fended off five large men
fighting each other. I know everybody got worked up. I
think we should all be very happy that Cam Scataboo

(36:10):
did not get hurt in that melee, which was that
thing was Barnyard Musical. I mean, it was just crazy.
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Speaker 1 (36:48):
So I'd said hypothetical obviously, but I do think a
majority of the playoffs are set. I think Baltimore is
going to make their way in. Let's see on the
Lions and the Chiefs. But I said, let's do a
little simulation here on if the playoffs started today, these
would be the matchups. And I started in the AFC

(37:09):
where Denver has a bye, and they've been great in
the last two years. They've been twelve and two at home,
so they're going to be well rested with a brilliant
offensive coach a great defense at home. No thanks for
whoever has to play Denver first. I would take in
the wildcard round Buffalo over Pittsburgh. Massive quarterback advantage, and
to be honest, when's the last time Pittsburgh beat a

(37:31):
star quarterback in the playoffs? I can't remember it. I
would take the Colts, a much healthier team at home.
You know, maybe Indy goes on the road to a
cold Weather team, but at home they would beat the Chargers.
Offensive line for Los Angeles is just not solvable. I
do not trust Jacksonville going up to cold Weather in

(37:52):
New England. I would take the Patriots to win when
you go to the divisional reund This is the one
that Jmack pushed back on. Would take Denver at home
over Buffalo. I think Buffalo is a team that you
can manipulate. I think they could run the ball death
by a thousand cuts, move the chains, and Buffalo remember
bo Nicks does not get sacked and moves well. I

(38:14):
could see Buffalo's defense having real problems in that game.
And there's nothing to show me that. Buffalo on the
road against Sean Payton and a better roster, they're so
Josh Allen dependent. I would take the Patriots over the
Colts because again, Daniel Jones on the road, a little

(38:35):
regression and Drake Mays off the chain right now. I
would take Denver at home. More playmakers both offense and defense.
You forget New England's supposed to be in a rebuild. Still,
Denver is not in a rebuild. They have arguably the
second best roster in the league. If you go to
the NFC some of these matchups. Philadelphia at home off

(38:58):
of Bye, I would take seat a team that creates pressure.
Better roster against Tampa. Baker struggles facing pressure. Passer rating
at forty six. I do think Seattle is a great
road team with a better roster. Chicago green Bay is
a coin flip. I say this, Chicago has an identity,
green Bay doesn't. Chicago's second in rush attempts, second in rushing,

(39:21):
crappy weather in Chicago or green Bay, wherever it's played.
Big edge to the better run team. I would take
Chicago Ram San Francisco. San Francisco's defense is a shell
of itself from two years ago. Rams big edge. This
rivalry starts leaning LA in the last couple of years

(39:42):
because the Rams have drafted the defensive side so well.
Then you go to the divisional round in the NFC
and these are really interesting games and they're tough. I
would take the Eagles over the Seahawks. Seattle is turnover prone.
The Eagles induce turnovers. I would take the Rams over
the Bears. A very balanced team, playoff experience. Bears season

(40:05):
ends probably the best playoff game so far of the year.
I would take Rams Eagles. I would take slight edge Rams.
I think they're a more balanced team, a better run team.
I just think they're more consistent, and I think they'll
finally get Philadelphia's number again, very close game, and then
you go to a super Bowl. And again this is

(40:26):
hypothetical because right now the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the
Lions are not playoff teams. Denver is the most penalized
team in the league. The Rams last two years least penalized.
The Rams make fewer mistakes, their offense is more balanced.
It's good early, middle, and late. That would be a
pretty easy pick for me. And then I think we
could have the argument, is Stafford all time better than

(40:48):
Aaron Rodgers. That would be the argument if he got
his second Super Bowl because he was better early, better
in college and he's now noticeably better late. It'd be
an argument.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
I like that leading the charge.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
However, Brotisserie Chicken, I've got an issue with the Broncos
being the number one seed, Colin, are you aware right
now the Patriots are the favorites, according to every sports
book on the planet, to be the favorites to get
the number one seed.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
The New Engld Patriots, schedule wise, are going to get
the number one.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
So Denver is gonna probably be the two and they're
likely going to open with Buffalo, Baltimore or Kansas City.
I think we would agree, the Chiefs are going to
fall out, or the Chiefs are going to jump.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
In, the Chargers will fall out. I think Denver's going
to be one and done.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Dude, all right, well, I think Buffalo is got holes,
and I've seen it about four different times this year
on their defense. Yes, yes, all right, two down, one
to go. It's a herd.
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