November 19, 2025 • 28 mins
Richard Sherman sits down with San Francisco 49ers defensive back Upton Stout for a deep dive into technique, mindset, and the real grind of playing corner in the league. He shares the challenges of playing nickelback and the toughest receiver he’s faced in the NFL. Sherman gets him talking about footwork, leverage, eye discipline, and the defensive communication that drives the Niners’ secondary. Stout also gives an inside look at training camp vibes, embracing the 49ers culture, and the impact of mentors like Deommodore Lenoir and Fred Warner. A must-watch for fans of DB play and elite defensive football.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and today we
got an incredible guest joining at San Francisco forty nine ers.
Cornerback up and Stout. Appreciate you joining me, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I appreciate you having me Man. It's a blessing to
be on here, one of the ghosts, man, one of
the goats.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I appreciate that. How you feeling. It's your first year
in the league. You're playing a lot more than I'm
sure you was expected coming in, but you had an
incredible training camp and you've been having a really good season.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Talk about how you feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh, I'm feeling blessed.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I feel hey, it's a blessing being his position. I'm
going into week twelve. I'm feeling the strain on the season,
but it ain't bad because I know every week brings
a new opportunity. But it's like you could definitely feel
the difference from my last year being around this time.
I'll be getting ready thinking about we're off in the
training this year. I'm thinking about how going to end
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off these last seven to six games. But it's like
I'm feeling good. I know every week gets a new
opportunity and a new opportunity to put something different on
film from this past week.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So it's like just being able to learn and grow,
he said, every week and try to get better, he
said every week. Got like that's really my main focus
in it's been feeling good, dude?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Is it? Is it? What you were? Is the league?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
What you expected? Like coming into training camp? You had
an incredible training camp. You were to talk of training
camp if I remember, and I remember coming up there
and seeing you and you playing fast, playing, confident, aggressive, physical.
What what went into your mindset going into there? Because
not many rookies come in playing like you were playing.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Oh, I mean I feel like first figuring knowing that
I'm coming to the forty nine ers, knowing that what's
already and did it here. So it's like me knowing
that I'm finna come into a room that had already
had grace ended and the grace they center now as
far as Demo, Fred and Bosa. So I'm already feeling
like I gotta come in and step on my guest
because like that's the forty nine to ways.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So it's like it's either that are you're gonna be
watching the game.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So it's like really just having that mindset, just trying
to grow east and every day and training, kept leaning on.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
All invests and stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So I just feel like me just having that manlet's
do it mindset, like just.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Put it all on the table and shoot however it goes.
That's how it goes. It's all in guy's hand.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
What vet do you think had the biggest influence on
how you start approaching the game and your routine, because
I feel like when I was coming up, it was
Marcus Schufan, just watching how he carried himself, watching how
he did things in the locker room, watching how he
did things off the football field, really had an impact
on how I started to do things.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Who was that for you?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I'd probably say it's kind of like a little like
a fifty to fifty with Demo and Fred, just seeing
away like Demo approaches every game, how he approaches like
all his reps, and like the way he goes through
practice Monday through salurday to get ready for the game.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And then as far as.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Like with Fred, I just feel like when it comes
like the body maintenance, like just the extra hours in
the building and things like that, just getting your mind
ready more than having your mention right before the physical
part of it. So it's like I just feel like
just seeing how them to operate throughout the week, and
really I could just pick a basin a piece of
from how they both maneuve it.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Through the week.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Talk about Salah and how how how different he is
and how much energy Salah comes with every single day.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Uh and we all know it.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Man, I ain't a lot like he's a I feel
like he's the what's the I wouldn't say the energizer buddy,
but it's like whenever he's around, like you already got
to know you got to be on the point. You
gotta be happy because he's gonna come around, shoe smile,
bringing the energy like the third down groove man, right.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
The third down guru. I love it. I love it Nickel.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
People don't understand Nickel might be one of the hardest
positions to play in the National Football League and to
come in and play it as a rookie and to
make the impact that you have a great uh force
fumble last week on on was it Higgins at the
goal line against Arizona.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, y'all, cauldn't say what I just remember, but.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That was a huge player in the game. That was
a huge play.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You got your first turnover on the game of your
of your career.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That had to feel good.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, it felt good for sure. You know during a
moment like you don't never like you don't never focus
on it just because like the heaven flows in the game,
like early in the game getting bombed deep.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
So it's like really just like it's always next mentality,
the next play mentality. Nobody's a bad play, good play,
So like play was all. It's a blessing during it,
like during like you do realize after it's like during this, like.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Man, what's the next part I have to make for
the defense? So what's the next thing.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm just trying to be on my prej and Q
just sold like the first the first play don't happen again,
but we just leave it for the win.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I know you, I know you looking for your first book.
I know you're looking for your first pick.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I geting for Angle. I need my first book. Man,
Jazz took my first one away with I ain't tripping.
There's a little temper table like, man, I know it's coming,
the man, I know it's coming. We got seven and
eight now more opportunities, so I know it's it's coming
in the world words.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, if ye look great.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
dB coach always told me, if you keep doing your
job right, the ball to hit you in the face.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You just got gotta find it's so much something.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
How the ball gotta find you play dvah, that ain't
gonna be on point rand.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The bar gotta find it.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's gonna find you. It's gonna find you. It's it's
it's cool, y'all. Y'all such a young secondary and it's
been so many injuries, so many moving pieces jay years
in one week, Malik Mustafa comes back, Pinnox in there,
and and it's just been so much move How do
you guys try to keep the continuity. It doesn't seem
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like there's any division or anything like that, but it's
hard to find a rhythm in the communication. We played
with the same group for a very long time, so
it was like, you know them like the back of
my hand. Didn't even have to look at him, like
all right, I know what you're thinking. Don't even don't
even look over here. But it's tough to build that
with so much move And how have you guys been
working on that?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh? Really just realize, like.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
We we can't make this script. We can only make
how we could.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And like how we approach every day like we're like
we all know like what we were, like what we
bring to the backing and we all got our own rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's like we all we just got an own roller.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Like one rows big Nickel, regular Nickel, don Like we
all got to figure out how role is just own
up until our roll. It's like there's no egos in
the DV room. It's like whatever your job is, at
the job and this figure out how we could do
it to the best ability. And if it ain't like
if the city time of great air is just all
figured out and at the end of the day on Sunday,
we all got to go out there together like this,
just come up, come together and just figure.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Ouwh we can all get it done as a backer.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
What's been the toughest adjustment, you know, between college and
the NFL. A lot of guys come in saying, oh,
it's just so much faster. I can't honestly say I
felt that way a little bit early on, but I
honestly felt like the league was a lot simpler for
me than college because it's so much you got to
prepare for. In college, it's like eighty five different offenses.
In the league, it's like three or four. You know,
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you got either this system, this system, or this system.
But playing Nickel is different because you gotta you gotta
be looking inside, watch, guard, pull neck available.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
All that. I didn't have to deal with all that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I feel like as far as like kind of like
the biggest change as far as like gang wise, like
early on in college when I was at Nickel and
all we did like any type of motions or anything,
what is bumping? All? Like it once you get one side,
like you on that side here, it's like, hey, you
better tell me if it's bump bump, are you moving?
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Because the whole deepest con change e then if you
stay or if you go. So it's like really just
being on those motions trying to just decipher what's the
chew chew, what's the jet, what's the regular motion? So
really just doing that is just trying to be on
point with just the ebb and flows of the game.
Really just the motion and part I was really to
think that was really getting me a train to camp
the most, especially you know how Shanahan office is and
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my emotion going into one place, so.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You're running over hood and me trying to run Overhood
and run over here.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It just wasn't like I was really just trying to
and decipher and get all the areas where it's like, Okay,
I canna bump this, I canna follow this, I can
carry this, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
That's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
KK Kaiwan Williams one of the best nickelas I think
I've ever played with, one of the best to do it.
That people don't give him enough credit that year in
twenty nineteen. That boy is as smooth as they come,
knowing it, playing it, playing fast, being where he's supposed
to be. They said they got you in contact with him.
What were those conversations up?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Really, I was just trying to pick his brain, like
really just trying to figure out, like how he ate
in the defense, how he maneuvered through everything, like different
rock concepts, how he would play this, how he would
play his man on this down, this is how he
would play this blend technique, how.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He would fit the gaest. So really just whatever I
would get here with him training camp.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I wanted to know how he would how he defended,
and then I just wanted to see some cluizz of him,
like how he played it, and like just how he
was his man riffs and just really just saying anything that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I can get from the time he was here, and
just really just pick his brain.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I want to make this more conversation. I don't want
to just keep a shooting questions at you and you
don't got nothing for me.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You got any questions? You you say what you need
to say. I let me see, you know, I got
a lot of questions, but we got time.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I want to know, like how was it, Like how
was the dB group was like when you was here?
Like how when you was the leader of the back end?
Like how was the how is the vibe? Like how
would y'all approach the week? How would you approach every
day and things like that going into like a game week.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Uh, that's interesting because dB was there, DV my guy.
But it's just it's just a nice focus. We were
a fun group. I thought we had a good group.
We had young guys. We had a mix of young
guys and veterans. I think you guys don't have as
many vets, So it's a little different. But jaqwiskey guitar.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And and and uh.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We had Jimmy, Jimmy Ward and KK.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
We had guys who understood, guys who hadn't necessarily dealt
with a lot of winning, but they understood how to
play the game at a high level.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And it was accountability.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
We came into the week everybody knew, you know, you
go your first and second down, your third down on Thursdays,
your red on et cetera, et cetera. But we treated
walk throughs really seriously. You know, there's a lot of
there's not silence out there, you know what I mean.
You ain't gonna be silent out there with me. I said,
we're gonna talk this through. You know, it's gonna be
very noisy in these walk throughs, very noisy in the
on the field, because you want to build that kind
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of confidence. Everybody knows you got quiet. It feels like
nobody knows what's going on. Nobody you quiet because you
don't know what's going on, So speak up. We could
all be saying the same thing. Hey, a Lurst spot,
a Lurt spot, a Lurst spot. I'm good with that,
like everybody's saying. But as long as everybody talking.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Were all wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We all right, We lived like that. But if we
silent out there, it doesn't work. So our preparation was
really good. It was really detailed. We talk everything through again.
Like you said, no egos was the main thing. It's
all about winning, no matter what it takes, no matter
who makes the play, who gets the interception, et cetera,
et cetera. It's about winning. So if we need to
talk to the backers and Fred and Greenlaw or or
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whoever it is, we need to have those conversations. Are
a kwan, whoever it is, we're having those conversations. Hey,
when we get this route, I'm gonna play here. You're
gonna drive that, all right, so that dig's gonna be open.
How you gonna play it. I'm gonna drive this or
I'm gonna playoff and you're gonna like we need to
understand how we're gonna play each and every route so
that when we're out there we're playing fast and how
we play it and walk through is how we play
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it in practice, how we play it in practice, how
we're gonna play it in the game.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, Yeah, how long do you feel like it took
for y'all to get that communication down where it's like, okay,
if it's this and there, and do you feel like
rkaway you step putting it like this gotta change or
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
No, it took.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It took at least I got there in eighteen and
I had an achilles and you know, it was just
not a great culture. Jimmy g got injured and we
were beat up. We only won like four games, which
is how we end up with Bosa the next year.
But throughout that year, I felt like we were building
the habits, like somebody gotta be consistent and holding the standard,
like regardless of how things going, like this is the
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standard we're trying to play to and we can't just
accept Hey, it ain't going well, so we're just cool
with this, Noah, that ain't never. We gotta be detailed.
We got to be on our jobs to give us
a chance. So if we playing shit wrong and guys
making mistakes, then there's accountability. There's no disrespectful accountability, but
there's accountability, like the coaches do it. But we gotta
hold each other accountable, like it's unacceptable, not like hey,
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what you're doing, man, what you ain't doing your job
like none of that. These grown men and shit ain't
never gonna work like that. So it got to be like, hey, brother, hey,
I love you to death. I know you're doing your best.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
We can't.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We gotta be better than this today. We got to
be better than this. Let's be better than this. We
all have to be better than this, starting with me. Always,
the fingers got to start with you. It never can
start at nobody else because that ain't never how it's
gonna work. So always work to get yourself better and
be the example, and then you can talk to other people.
But if you ain't perfect, probably need to work on
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you first places, right, So it's it's trusting each other
and understanding like nobody's out there alone. You never should
feel like you out there by yourself. Like you you
out there with ten of your brothers, and we ain't
leaving you by yourself. Even if you and the Nicholis man,
the man covered, no, we got your back. We got
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your back. We're not about to let you. Look if
he catched over, we all swarming too, We all swarming
and were trying to get there to help you. And
I think that helps build confidence and camaraderie. But in
those walkthroughs, make sure you're talking, make sure you're taking
them serious. We ain't giving up no passes and walk through.
I hate it that shit.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I hate.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I hate letting people score in red zone drills. I
hate when they catch it at the five and you
let them like walk in.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
That's that You'll mess up my whole day. I'm like
man n nah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And Kyle used to get mad because he'd be like, oh, y'all, y'all, y'all,
we gotta y'all gonna let us catch it the offensive.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't give it. Take us off the field, then, Kyle,
we ain't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We ain't doing all that. Take me off the field,
and you can go put the scout team on and
you can catch you a little passes. But that ain't
how we gonna work today.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The way I probably a change the rules.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I probably made him glorious, Like now it was like
the first mom is going to get some scouts. Now
it's not gonna be like the one on one of that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Y'all made him change And yeah, it ain't no one
of the ones on one. We're not giving none of that.
But that's the standard, Like how you do anything. It's
how you do everything. And so once you live by
that and you push that, it starts to become your mentality.
You you and walk through it and throw the ball
BA down pick like, I don't I don't care, I
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don't care. I might start wearing cleats to walk through
if y'all start getting really really jazzy.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Beat, don't let this even come out there.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And shoes. He always say, if you're going to be
in the water through, you gotta put your cleaves on
too much.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Anybody slip? Hey, why you slip? You ain't got your
cleves on.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
A standard? You know what it takes?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, no, for sure? For sure? What how long do
you think it took for you to have like that mindset?
Like like when you first got to lead? How long
do you do you think it too?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
For like? All right, bet like I can do this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Honestly, it was quick for me because our group, you know,
we had me cam Earl. By my second year, we
were we were rolling. And it was because we challenged
each other every day. We challenge each other to be great.
It wasn't like man like like like y'all got demo.
Demo's the guy right now? It wasn't like Eo. Demo's
the guy. Like man, you know, look how good it's
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like Demo the guy. I'm about to prepare as good
or better than Demo. I'm about to know dB. I
promise you got y'all as prepared as as as y'all
can gonna be.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I I don't have to tell me.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The indicating tape is deep.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Whatever could be trying to see the indicating tape is loaded.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But you got to translate it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And the way you translated is making taking those like
there almost should be no completions in practice. Not that
we were perfect like that, but we played so damn fast.
If if we picked it and walked through we picked
it in practice and we picked it in the game,
or they didn't throw it in the game, But it
wasn't like, hey, we saw it in practice. They gave
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us the indicator in the game and we didn't take
advantage of the lost your god damn not against us.
That's just high IQ football, and you got to train
yourself that way. Like when you playing fast and you
competitive and you tire, you got to under recognize those
indicators and you gotta play just as fast. You see
it right here. Hey remember in practice. Hey it's Max Protect.
Look alert the post. Hey, drive the dig I got
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you off the top. Bang, let's go play.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So, I think by my second year we were pretty
dialed in, and then after that we were just building
on it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, it's like you can see that on there. You
can see that on the tape on the film. It's
just like y'alls is out there having fun, out there,
calling out to play before it even sparred.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Because it's not that hard. There's only so much they
can do. It's not like people gonna come out there
and reinvent they playbook.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I feel like that's probably like what I'm really like
trying to learn right now, because it's when I first
got here, I'm like, man, what if I get this
this tut, this route, this troud. It is like young
ain't gonna get on them, right. It's like, it's only
so much they can do in this for mak so
much they can do it this for money. Shit, you
don't have to think about all those drouts. So once
he gives you his release and show you his film,
you can go early and cancel out three of those droughts.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Now you only get in two from here and now.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Right, Like the game is so simple. Everybody runs the
same stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So if you in the slot and y'all in the
red zone, are y'all at the fifteen or something, and
they main receiver is that two.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's probably a seventh cut. Yeah, it's probably a seventh.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
If you gotta get If you gotta get something and
you ain't got no indicators and you work get seven,
I would assume that's what's gonna happen. They're not really
running digs. They could motion. If they do some kind
of motion and bring somebody out, it's probably double post,
like ninety percent of the time. Telling you, like, you
play in the league long enough after after your third
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fourth year, you're gonna be like, bro, are they ever
gonna change stuff? Like, are y'all ever going y'all gonna
really motion and run double post every time?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When y'all do this, Yeah, I can't point whereas oh, yeah,
y'all really gonna do this, But but.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
That's what I'm saying. Start paying attention to the indicator,
Start paying attention to the patterns. You're gonna start the
teams that they repeat stuff. If y'all got beat by
something whatever you got beat on that a y, that
long pass, next five teams?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You getting it?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, and trust me, yeah, Like that's that's.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
What's gonna happen. And then the more you realize it's
not Oh man, what if they do this? Hey?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
What things have they done? And what can they do
off of that? Oh, they've been running smash seven. Okay,
they could run smash seven and pump. They could run
double seams h third and twelve. Plus they've run this,
they've run kite, all right, those are the things they
can run, not five hundred different things.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
It's like four. Like when our first guy who's like
it will be boom to running back away like some
of the things you're gonna expec lying.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But I'd be like, what if I to get a
corner a coach, I mean a post corner?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
What if he doesn't say it, Like if I get
all over the place and I'm just I'm trying to
guard every rock.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
We was like, listen, you can't guard every rope, man,
You can't.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You don't have to.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You you you guarding stuff. They couldn't even they ain't
even got their playbook. I think I got one post
corner in my entire career. Larry Fitzgerald did it and
I got p I on the player. I ain't gonna
out to you. I got because I was not expecting it.
I was like post corner like that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I was all over the post and turned around to
run the corner.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I said, Larry, I gotta, we gotta, we gotta, I
gotta grab you. I gotta grab your baby. We're gonna
go ahead and get to the next one. But yeah, man,
it's the more you realize that, the more it's gonna
allow you to play fast. I'm telling you that's why
I got forty one put picks on the on the career,
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It's started making sense.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm chasing it. I'm chasing it. Don't chase it, don't
chase it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Look chase the play, understand the plays in concept the
ball and start hitting you in the face.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You'll be like, all right, this is the concept. Oh,
I recognize that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
All right, I'm gonna play this like this quarterback and
be like You're gonna be like, yeah, that's it, easy money.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Throughout the week? Was you big on film stud or
was you more of like a I gotta go through
it for in order for.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Me to really like, pick up on it both both
ye and and don't be don't be frustrated if you
ain't either way, Like, if you're a field guy, then
go get your field reps and walk through it on
the field. Y'all got plenty of free time. Go out there,
and if you need to walk your way through it again,
take your walk through reps seriously, Like you the guy.
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If you the starter and you say, hey, the two,
I need a couple extra reps, I might need to,
like dB, I might need to take both set of
reps this time, like I need to see it. That
happens sometimes, you know what I mean. If you're a
film guy, watch the take. You know what I mean,
understand it, do all that. But either way, whichever guy
you are, I could do it both ways.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Just master that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Don't feel like, hey man, I'm not I'm watching ten
fifteen hours of film and it's not sticking.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Like it doesn't work for everybody. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Some guys are straight field guys, like they they can
watch install all day and not get a play. They
can go on the field and walk through it two
times and they got it. Yeah, yeah, you know, So
don't don't feel like you gotta be a big time
field guy. For me, that worked out for some guys,
it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'll get what you was saying. I get what you're saying.
Mm hmm. So who's been the toughest receiver so far?
You've dealt with the toughession.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
See here, I'd probably say on our flag it good
bump week, just because like, talk your.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Stuff, but it's uh. I'd probably say.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Uh, probably my first game with Cooper Cup just because
like the amount of position they was putting man, Like
you know, I had missed the preseason for injury, so
this was really like my first time in real like
game action. And then like sometimes we'll be calling man
and it was different because like boom, you lot have
been the slide Okay, like that's regular, but now would
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you start going at the zoo alignement that running back
and all other type of stuff Like now, like that's
kind of changed the way I gotta play my technique.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Like I can't play Pierce.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Step Bro, I can't play the schools Now, I gotta
figure out like now I gotta try to play for
Mark with you coming out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Now, I got to hold the anger out the hour.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Oute of the fade route. So it's really probably that
and just like how sad he was trying to run
his routs and things like that. I feel like that
was that was a good a good first game.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, that's tough first game. He was vetting you up.
He's hitting you all the bets stuff, like.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
What all all of the shit that you used to
see on YouTube? He and you the same shit.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You're like, like it looked different in person.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
This shit gonna have a different speed now you no question,
Boo book. You gave me some good routes to though,
like we gave me like some good some good releases
and things like that. So I feel like those two
would be like, all right, bet, let's let's do.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's gonna be one of these like come on.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, it's you're gonna you're gonna learn. You're gonna go
against everybody at some point or another.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Some dudes.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You're gonna think, Man, I heard this dude was nice,
and you ain't gonna feel like he is nicest you
done heard, Like you.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Know, the mind of the dB.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
A lot of the times when you get beat, you
don't even feel like it's the receiver, like you feel like, man,
I should have faced this on my technique and this
is an easy place. So that's why I feel like
that that question is really it's really hard to ask
because a lot of the times you feel like it's
on you, like you they ain't really do nothing, crazy,
like you just did this or this wrong and already
been like let him do it again.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Once you're having you're right right.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
My biggest advice to you would be trust your eyes, trust,
don't overthink, don't don't put thoughts in your head and
routes in your head that aren't there. It's hard enough
play dB with with the stuff you got in front
of you. See your indicators, trust your eyes, trust your preparation,
play fast like you're gonna have a hard time getting
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books if you're trying to guess all nine routes they
could be running, like they're not running those routes all right?
If two going in, if two one of the slant
and one one of the slant, how am I gonna
play it?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Like that's when you start getting picks. It's like understanding
what's about to come, what coverage we in, and where
the ball should go, Like, hey, they giving us curl
flat all right, we in cover three, so I'm the buzzer.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I gotta go with the flat.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I could hold off a little bit in the curl window,
but then I can go to the flat that I
don't force the ball to the flat. The corner should
be driving the dig I mean the curl. There's a
sit route over the ball that should pull the other
hooks or the ball should go to the girl. So
now it's like I'm gonna go to the flat a
little bit. And when I see quarterbacks set up, do
I try to pick the curl or do I let
tell the quarter hey, alert, alert the curl, Alert the
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curl so he can drive it. That's when you're really
starting to.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I ain't like it's coming.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I ain't like that type of that type of mindset,
that type of communication, that back and it's coming, because
even off that last game, I fel like last game
was one of the most.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Games of woods. Is out the communicating like old three.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
But I want alert the stickers or alert the Diarus
special and they're there're two players around to come on,
let's find make them play for us.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So I feel like we paid for us.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So I feel like last day, like we was really
on the communication, like you could tell through the Tuesday
Wednesday practice, the walkthroughs and things like that, Like everybody
already bet, Like list on there, Li's on the indicators,
if you see something to say something.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
If you at the corner on the right side, see something,
to the corner on the left side, see something, So
like everybody's really just in tune. They already bet. Like
let's forgot how we go out here on Sunday. Really like,
let's not just go out there and planes, go out
there and dominor assignment.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yes, yes, y'all in there, it's click it. I love
to hear that. I love to hear that. Well, this
this you, I got Monday night football coming up. This
is your first one. You feeling good?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, I feel like good.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I'm really I'm prepared. I'm ready to see what when
it that has to come for Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Good opportunity, it's gonna be a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Just go out there and again, take walk through series,
keep that communication, keep keep building that trust in one another.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It's gonna all work out, not for sure. I appreciate
you I appreciate you, Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Sir, appreciate you all love. I know it's your off day,
so I want to take too much more of your time.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Can long time? I need a jersey though, I need
a jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
No, I need it.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Okay, okay, let me let me get a jay Bird
on that.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, I know you like I know JA getting here
in the next three days, no.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Question, no question. That's that's what I'm saying. Which one
you want though, Yeah, you want the Niners one?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Come on, I need the Niners. Come on, I have
jay Bird, send me one off and get it back
to you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
But that's real.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
That's real, Yes, sir, all love for sure, that's love
for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Oh, speaking of that, I gotta get you want a jersey.
I gotta get some of your clothes. Then you gotta
send me some of your clothing.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Bread, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I gotta clothe them. I got a couple of pieces
I can get you right. You you know I'll be
seeing you be throwing on the fist on.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
The other side. I gotta throw right, get your boy right,
look like how you wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
To look, because you know you've normally go butting down
the things like it ain't no button down. It's really
like a little street wearing shirt byby you can get
I can wear.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
When I'm on the street then yeah, yeah, you gonna look.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You canna wear when you're doing something like right now,
like you can wear when you're on the pie kicking.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It right right right? Yeah, give me some of that
lazy ways.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Got you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I got a couple of boxes in the back of
I gotta ship off anyway, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Okay, give me right. Well, I appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You enjoy your off day, and we'll have you on
later on when y'all headed to the playoffs and you
fall and you get your second and third pick.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Maybe hey, open the converse next time. We were talking
about in conversations that she look a whole lot different.
It's a whole lot of more blessings on it.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I know it will be. It will be for sure,
not for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I appreciate you for hap man.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I appreciate you man anytime, anytime. I look forward to
the next time. Appreciate you
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and today we
got an incredible guest joining at San Francisco forty nine ers.
Cornerback up and Stout. Appreciate you joining me, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I appreciate you having me Man. It's a blessing to
be on here, one of the ghosts, man, one of
the goats.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I appreciate that. How you feeling. It's your first year
in the league. You're playing a lot more than I'm
sure you was expected coming in, but you had an
incredible training camp and you've been having a really good season.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Talk about how you feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh, I'm feeling blessed.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I feel hey, it's a blessing being his position. I'm
going into week twelve. I'm feeling the strain on the season,
but it ain't bad because I know every week brings
a new opportunity. But it's like you could definitely feel
the difference from my last year being around this time.
I'll be getting ready thinking about we're off in the
training this year. I'm thinking about how going to end
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off these last seven to six games. But it's like
I'm feeling good. I know every week gets a new
opportunity and a new opportunity to put something different on
film from this past week.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So it's like just being able to learn and grow,
he said, every week and try to get better, he
said every week. Got like that's really my main focus
in it's been feeling good, dude?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Is it? Is it? What you were? Is the league?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
What you expected? Like coming into training camp? You had
an incredible training camp. You were to talk of training
camp if I remember, and I remember coming up there
and seeing you and you playing fast, playing, confident, aggressive, physical.
What what went into your mindset going into there? Because
not many rookies come in playing like you were playing.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Oh, I mean I feel like first figuring knowing that
I'm coming to the forty nine ers, knowing that what's
already and did it here. So it's like me knowing
that I'm finna come into a room that had already
had grace ended and the grace they center now as
far as Demo, Fred and Bosa. So I'm already feeling
like I gotta come in and step on my guest
because like that's the forty nine to ways.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So it's like it's either that are you're gonna be
watching the game.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So it's like really just having that mindset, just trying
to grow east and every day and training, kept leaning on.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
All invests and stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So I just feel like me just having that manlet's
do it mindset, like just.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Put it all on the table and shoot however it goes.
That's how it goes. It's all in guy's hand.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
What vet do you think had the biggest influence on
how you start approaching the game and your routine, because
I feel like when I was coming up, it was
Marcus Schufan, just watching how he carried himself, watching how
he did things in the locker room, watching how he
did things off the football field, really had an impact
on how I started to do things.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Who was that for you?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I'd probably say it's kind of like a little like
a fifty to fifty with Demo and Fred, just seeing
away like Demo approaches every game, how he approaches like
all his reps, and like the way he goes through
practice Monday through salurday to get ready for the game.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And then as far as.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Like with Fred, I just feel like when it comes
like the body maintenance, like just the extra hours in
the building and things like that, just getting your mind
ready more than having your mention right before the physical
part of it. So it's like I just feel like
just seeing how them to operate throughout the week, and
really I could just pick a basin a piece of
from how they both maneuve it.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Through the week.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Talk about Salah and how how how different he is
and how much energy Salah comes with every single day.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Uh and we all know it.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Man, I ain't a lot like he's a I feel
like he's the what's the I wouldn't say the energizer buddy,
but it's like whenever he's around, like you already got
to know you got to be on the point. You
gotta be happy because he's gonna come around, shoe smile,
bringing the energy like the third down groove man, right.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
The third down guru. I love it. I love it Nickel.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
People don't understand Nickel might be one of the hardest
positions to play in the National Football League and to
come in and play it as a rookie and to
make the impact that you have a great uh force
fumble last week on on was it Higgins at the
goal line against Arizona.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, y'all, cauldn't say what I just remember, but.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That was a huge player in the game. That was
a huge play.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You got your first turnover on the game of your
of your career.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That had to feel good.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, it felt good for sure. You know during a
moment like you don't never like you don't never focus
on it just because like the heaven flows in the game,
like early in the game getting bombed deep.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
So it's like really just like it's always next mentality,
the next play mentality. Nobody's a bad play, good play,
So like play was all. It's a blessing during it,
like during like you do realize after it's like during this, like.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Man, what's the next part I have to make for
the defense? So what's the next thing.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm just trying to be on my prej and Q
just sold like the first the first play don't happen again,
but we just leave it for the win.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I know you, I know you looking for your first book.
I know you're looking for your first pick.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I geting for Angle. I need my first book. Man,
Jazz took my first one away with I ain't tripping.
There's a little temper table like, man, I know it's coming,
the man, I know it's coming. We got seven and
eight now more opportunities, so I know it's it's coming
in the world words.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, if ye look great.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
dB coach always told me, if you keep doing your
job right, the ball to hit you in the face.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You just got gotta find it's so much something.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
How the ball gotta find you play dvah, that ain't
gonna be on point rand.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The bar gotta find it.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's gonna find you. It's gonna find you. It's it's
it's cool, y'all. Y'all such a young secondary and it's
been so many injuries, so many moving pieces jay years
in one week, Malik Mustafa comes back, Pinnox in there,
and and it's just been so much move How do
you guys try to keep the continuity. It doesn't seem
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like there's any division or anything like that, but it's
hard to find a rhythm in the communication. We played
with the same group for a very long time, so
it was like, you know them like the back of
my hand. Didn't even have to look at him, like
all right, I know what you're thinking. Don't even don't
even look over here. But it's tough to build that
with so much move And how have you guys been
working on that?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh? Really just realize, like.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
We we can't make this script. We can only make
how we could.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And like how we approach every day like we're like
we all know like what we were, like what we
bring to the backing and we all got our own rolling.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's like we all we just got an own roller.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Like one rows big Nickel, regular Nickel, don Like we
all got to figure out how role is just own
up until our roll. It's like there's no egos in
the DV room. It's like whatever your job is, at
the job and this figure out how we could do
it to the best ability. And if it ain't like
if the city time of great air is just all
figured out and at the end of the day on Sunday,
we all got to go out there together like this,
just come up, come together and just figure.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Ouwh we can all get it done as a backer.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
What's been the toughest adjustment, you know, between college and
the NFL. A lot of guys come in saying, oh,
it's just so much faster. I can't honestly say I
felt that way a little bit early on, but I
honestly felt like the league was a lot simpler for
me than college because it's so much you got to
prepare for. In college, it's like eighty five different offenses.
In the league, it's like three or four. You know,
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you got either this system, this system, or this system.
But playing Nickel is different because you gotta you gotta
be looking inside, watch, guard, pull neck available.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
All that. I didn't have to deal with all that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I feel like as far as like kind of like
the biggest change as far as like gang wise, like
early on in college when I was at Nickel and
all we did like any type of motions or anything,
what is bumping? All? Like it once you get one side,
like you on that side here, it's like, hey, you
better tell me if it's bump bump, are you moving?
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Because the whole deepest con change e then if you
stay or if you go. So it's like really just
being on those motions trying to just decipher what's the
chew chew, what's the jet, what's the regular motion? So
really just doing that is just trying to be on
point with just the ebb and flows of the game.
Really just the motion and part I was really to
think that was really getting me a train to camp
the most, especially you know how Shanahan office is and
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my emotion going into one place, so.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You're running over hood and me trying to run Overhood
and run over here.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It just wasn't like I was really just trying to
and decipher and get all the areas where it's like, Okay,
I canna bump this, I canna follow this, I can
carry this, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
That's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
KK Kaiwan Williams one of the best nickelas I think
I've ever played with, one of the best to do it.
That people don't give him enough credit that year in
twenty nineteen. That boy is as smooth as they come,
knowing it, playing it, playing fast, being where he's supposed
to be. They said they got you in contact with him.
What were those conversations up?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Really, I was just trying to pick his brain, like
really just trying to figure out, like how he ate
in the defense, how he maneuvered through everything, like different
rock concepts, how he would play this, how he would
play his man on this down, this is how he
would play this blend technique, how.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He would fit the gaest. So really just whatever I
would get here with him training camp.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I wanted to know how he would how he defended,
and then I just wanted to see some cluizz of him,
like how he played it, and like just how he
was his man riffs and just really just saying anything that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I can get from the time he was here, and
just really just pick his brain.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I want to make this more conversation. I don't want
to just keep a shooting questions at you and you
don't got nothing for me.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You got any questions? You you say what you need
to say. I let me see, you know, I got
a lot of questions, but we got time.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I want to know, like how was it, Like how
was the dB group was like when you was here?
Like how when you was the leader of the back end?
Like how was the how is the vibe? Like how
would y'all approach the week? How would you approach every
day and things like that going into like a game week.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Uh, that's interesting because dB was there, DV my guy.
But it's just it's just a nice focus. We were
a fun group. I thought we had a good group.
We had young guys. We had a mix of young
guys and veterans. I think you guys don't have as
many vets, So it's a little different. But jaqwiskey guitar.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And and and uh.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We had Jimmy, Jimmy Ward and KK.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
We had guys who understood, guys who hadn't necessarily dealt
with a lot of winning, but they understood how to
play the game at a high level.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And it was accountability.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
We came into the week everybody knew, you know, you
go your first and second down, your third down on Thursdays,
your red on et cetera, et cetera. But we treated
walk throughs really seriously. You know, there's a lot of
there's not silence out there, you know what I mean.
You ain't gonna be silent out there with me. I said,
we're gonna talk this through. You know, it's gonna be
very noisy in these walk throughs, very noisy in the
on the field, because you want to build that kind
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of confidence. Everybody knows you got quiet. It feels like
nobody knows what's going on. Nobody you quiet because you
don't know what's going on, So speak up. We could
all be saying the same thing. Hey, a Lurst spot,
a Lurt spot, a Lurst spot. I'm good with that,
like everybody's saying. But as long as everybody talking.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Were all wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We all right, We lived like that. But if we
silent out there, it doesn't work. So our preparation was
really good. It was really detailed. We talk everything through again.
Like you said, no egos was the main thing. It's
all about winning, no matter what it takes, no matter
who makes the play, who gets the interception, et cetera,
et cetera. It's about winning. So if we need to
talk to the backers and Fred and Greenlaw or or
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whoever it is, we need to have those conversations. Are
a kwan, whoever it is, we're having those conversations. Hey,
when we get this route, I'm gonna play here. You're
gonna drive that, all right, so that dig's gonna be open.
How you gonna play it. I'm gonna drive this or
I'm gonna playoff and you're gonna like we need to
understand how we're gonna play each and every route so
that when we're out there we're playing fast and how
we play it and walk through is how we play
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it in practice, how we play it in practice, how
we're gonna play it in the game.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, Yeah, how long do you feel like it took
for y'all to get that communication down where it's like, okay,
if it's this and there, and do you feel like
rkaway you step putting it like this gotta change or
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
No, it took.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It took at least I got there in eighteen and
I had an achilles and you know, it was just
not a great culture. Jimmy g got injured and we
were beat up. We only won like four games, which
is how we end up with Bosa the next year.
But throughout that year, I felt like we were building
the habits, like somebody gotta be consistent and holding the standard,
like regardless of how things going, like this is the
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standard we're trying to play to and we can't just
accept Hey, it ain't going well, so we're just cool
with this, Noah, that ain't never. We gotta be detailed.
We got to be on our jobs to give us
a chance. So if we playing shit wrong and guys
making mistakes, then there's accountability. There's no disrespectful accountability, but
there's accountability, like the coaches do it. But we gotta
hold each other accountable, like it's unacceptable, not like hey,
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what you're doing, man, what you ain't doing your job
like none of that. These grown men and shit ain't
never gonna work like that. So it got to be like, hey, brother, hey,
I love you to death. I know you're doing your best.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
We can't.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We gotta be better than this today. We got to
be better than this. Let's be better than this. We
all have to be better than this, starting with me. Always,
the fingers got to start with you. It never can
start at nobody else because that ain't never how it's
gonna work. So always work to get yourself better and
be the example, and then you can talk to other people.
But if you ain't perfect, probably need to work on
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you first places, right, So it's it's trusting each other
and understanding like nobody's out there alone. You never should
feel like you out there by yourself. Like you you
out there with ten of your brothers, and we ain't
leaving you by yourself. Even if you and the Nicholis man,
the man covered, no, we got your back. We got
(13:11):
your back. We're not about to let you. Look if
he catched over, we all swarming too, We all swarming
and were trying to get there to help you. And
I think that helps build confidence and camaraderie. But in
those walkthroughs, make sure you're talking, make sure you're taking
them serious. We ain't giving up no passes and walk through.
I hate it that shit.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I hate.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I hate letting people score in red zone drills. I
hate when they catch it at the five and you
let them like walk in.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
That's that You'll mess up my whole day. I'm like
man n nah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And Kyle used to get mad because he'd be like, oh, y'all, y'all, y'all,
we gotta y'all gonna let us catch it the offensive.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't give it. Take us off the field, then, Kyle,
we ain't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We ain't doing all that. Take me off the field,
and you can go put the scout team on and
you can catch you a little passes. But that ain't
how we gonna work today.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The way I probably a change the rules.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I probably made him glorious, Like now it was like
the first mom is going to get some scouts. Now
it's not gonna be like the one on one of that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Y'all made him change And yeah, it ain't no one
of the ones on one. We're not giving none of that.
But that's the standard, Like how you do anything. It's
how you do everything. And so once you live by
that and you push that, it starts to become your mentality.
You you and walk through it and throw the ball
BA down pick like, I don't I don't care, I
(14:30):
don't care. I might start wearing cleats to walk through
if y'all start getting really really jazzy.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Beat, don't let this even come out there.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And shoes. He always say, if you're going to be
in the water through, you gotta put your cleaves on
too much.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Anybody slip? Hey, why you slip? You ain't got your
cleves on.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
A standard? You know what it takes?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, no, for sure? For sure? What how long do
you think it took for you to have like that mindset?
Like like when you first got to lead? How long
do you do you think it too?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
For like? All right, bet like I can do this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Honestly, it was quick for me because our group, you know,
we had me cam Earl. By my second year, we
were we were rolling. And it was because we challenged
each other every day. We challenge each other to be great.
It wasn't like man like like like y'all got demo.
Demo's the guy right now? It wasn't like Eo. Demo's
the guy. Like man, you know, look how good it's
(15:21):
like Demo the guy. I'm about to prepare as good
or better than Demo. I'm about to know dB. I
promise you got y'all as prepared as as as y'all
can gonna be.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I I don't have to tell me.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The indicating tape is deep.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Whatever could be trying to see the indicating tape is loaded.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But you got to translate it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And the way you translated is making taking those like
there almost should be no completions in practice. Not that
we were perfect like that, but we played so damn fast.
If if we picked it and walked through we picked
it in practice and we picked it in the game,
or they didn't throw it in the game, But it
wasn't like, hey, we saw it in practice. They gave
(16:02):
us the indicator in the game and we didn't take
advantage of the lost your god damn not against us.
That's just high IQ football, and you got to train
yourself that way. Like when you playing fast and you
competitive and you tire, you got to under recognize those
indicators and you gotta play just as fast. You see
it right here. Hey remember in practice. Hey it's Max Protect.
Look alert the post. Hey, drive the dig I got
(16:23):
you off the top. Bang, let's go play.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So, I think by my second year we were pretty
dialed in, and then after that we were just building
on it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, it's like you can see that on there. You
can see that on the tape on the film. It's
just like y'alls is out there having fun, out there,
calling out to play before it even sparred.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Because it's not that hard. There's only so much they
can do. It's not like people gonna come out there
and reinvent they playbook.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I feel like that's probably like what I'm really like
trying to learn right now, because it's when I first
got here, I'm like, man, what if I get this
this tut, this route, this troud. It is like young
ain't gonna get on them, right. It's like, it's only
so much they can do in this for mak so
much they can do it this for money. Shit, you
don't have to think about all those drouts. So once
he gives you his release and show you his film,
you can go early and cancel out three of those droughts.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Now you only get in two from here and now.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Right, Like the game is so simple. Everybody runs the
same stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So if you in the slot and y'all in the
red zone, are y'all at the fifteen or something, and
they main receiver is that two.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's probably a seventh cut. Yeah, it's probably a seventh.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
If you gotta get If you gotta get something and
you ain't got no indicators and you work get seven,
I would assume that's what's gonna happen. They're not really
running digs. They could motion. If they do some kind
of motion and bring somebody out, it's probably double post,
like ninety percent of the time. Telling you, like, you
play in the league long enough after after your third
(17:48):
fourth year, you're gonna be like, bro, are they ever
gonna change stuff? Like, are y'all ever going y'all gonna
really motion and run double post every time?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When y'all do this, Yeah, I can't point whereas oh, yeah,
y'all really gonna do this, But but.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
That's what I'm saying. Start paying attention to the indicator,
Start paying attention to the patterns. You're gonna start the
teams that they repeat stuff. If y'all got beat by
something whatever you got beat on that a y, that
long pass, next five teams?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You getting it?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, and trust me, yeah, Like that's that's.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
What's gonna happen. And then the more you realize it's
not Oh man, what if they do this? Hey?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
What things have they done? And what can they do
off of that? Oh, they've been running smash seven. Okay,
they could run smash seven and pump. They could run
double seams h third and twelve. Plus they've run this,
they've run kite, all right, those are the things they
can run, not five hundred different things.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
It's like four. Like when our first guy who's like
it will be boom to running back away like some
of the things you're gonna expec lying.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But I'd be like, what if I to get a
corner a coach, I mean a post corner?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
What if he doesn't say it, Like if I get
all over the place and I'm just I'm trying to
guard every rock.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
We was like, listen, you can't guard every rope, man,
You can't.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You don't have to.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You you you guarding stuff. They couldn't even they ain't
even got their playbook. I think I got one post
corner in my entire career. Larry Fitzgerald did it and
I got p I on the player. I ain't gonna
out to you. I got because I was not expecting it.
I was like post corner like that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I was all over the post and turned around to
run the corner.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I said, Larry, I gotta, we gotta, we gotta, I
gotta grab you. I gotta grab your baby. We're gonna
go ahead and get to the next one. But yeah, man,
it's the more you realize that, the more it's gonna
allow you to play fast. I'm telling you that's why
I got forty one put picks on the on the career,
(19:57):
It's started making sense.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm chasing it. I'm chasing it. Don't chase it, don't
chase it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Look chase the play, understand the plays in concept the
ball and start hitting you in the face.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You'll be like, all right, this is the concept. Oh,
I recognize that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
All right, I'm gonna play this like this quarterback and
be like You're gonna be like, yeah, that's it, easy money.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Throughout the week? Was you big on film stud or
was you more of like a I gotta go through
it for in order for.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Me to really like, pick up on it both both
ye and and don't be don't be frustrated if you
ain't either way, Like, if you're a field guy, then
go get your field reps and walk through it on
the field. Y'all got plenty of free time. Go out there,
and if you need to walk your way through it again,
take your walk through reps seriously, Like you the guy.
(20:47):
If you the starter and you say, hey, the two,
I need a couple extra reps, I might need to,
like dB, I might need to take both set of
reps this time, like I need to see it. That
happens sometimes, you know what I mean. If you're a
film guy, watch the take. You know what I mean,
understand it, do all that. But either way, whichever guy
you are, I could do it both ways.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Just master that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Don't feel like, hey man, I'm not I'm watching ten
fifteen hours of film and it's not sticking.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Like it doesn't work for everybody. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Some guys are straight field guys, like they they can
watch install all day and not get a play. They
can go on the field and walk through it two
times and they got it. Yeah, yeah, you know, So
don't don't feel like you gotta be a big time
field guy. For me, that worked out for some guys,
it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'll get what you was saying. I get what you're saying.
Mm hmm. So who's been the toughest receiver so far?
You've dealt with the toughession.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
See here, I'd probably say on our flag it good
bump week, just because like, talk your.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Stuff, but it's uh. I'd probably say.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Uh, probably my first game with Cooper Cup just because
like the amount of position they was putting man, Like
you know, I had missed the preseason for injury, so
this was really like my first time in real like
game action. And then like sometimes we'll be calling man
and it was different because like boom, you lot have
been the slide Okay, like that's regular, but now would
(22:22):
you start going at the zoo alignement that running back
and all other type of stuff Like now, like that's
kind of changed the way I gotta play my technique.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Like I can't play Pierce.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Step Bro, I can't play the schools Now, I gotta
figure out like now I gotta try to play for
Mark with you coming out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Now, I got to hold the anger out the hour.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Oute of the fade route. So it's really probably that
and just like how sad he was trying to run
his routs and things like that. I feel like that
was that was a good a good first game.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, that's tough first game. He was vetting you up.
He's hitting you all the bets stuff, like.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
What all all of the shit that you used to
see on YouTube? He and you the same shit.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You're like, like it looked different in person.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
This shit gonna have a different speed now you no question,
Boo book. You gave me some good routes to though,
like we gave me like some good some good releases
and things like that. So I feel like those two
would be like, all right, bet, let's let's do.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's gonna be one of these like come on.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, it's you're gonna you're gonna learn. You're gonna go
against everybody at some point or another.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Some dudes.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You're gonna think, Man, I heard this dude was nice,
and you ain't gonna feel like he is nicest you
done heard, Like you.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Know, the mind of the dB.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
A lot of the times when you get beat, you
don't even feel like it's the receiver, like you feel like, man,
I should have faced this on my technique and this
is an easy place. So that's why I feel like
that that question is really it's really hard to ask
because a lot of the times you feel like it's
on you, like you they ain't really do nothing, crazy,
like you just did this or this wrong and already
been like let him do it again.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Once you're having you're right right.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
My biggest advice to you would be trust your eyes, trust,
don't overthink, don't don't put thoughts in your head and
routes in your head that aren't there. It's hard enough
play dB with with the stuff you got in front
of you. See your indicators, trust your eyes, trust your preparation,
play fast like you're gonna have a hard time getting
(24:19):
books if you're trying to guess all nine routes they
could be running, like they're not running those routes all right?
If two going in, if two one of the slant
and one one of the slant, how am I gonna
play it?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Like that's when you start getting picks. It's like understanding
what's about to come, what coverage we in, and where
the ball should go, Like, hey, they giving us curl
flat all right, we in cover three, so I'm the buzzer.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I gotta go with the flat.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I could hold off a little bit in the curl window,
but then I can go to the flat that I
don't force the ball to the flat. The corner should
be driving the dig I mean the curl. There's a
sit route over the ball that should pull the other
hooks or the ball should go to the girl. So
now it's like I'm gonna go to the flat a
little bit. And when I see quarterbacks set up, do
I try to pick the curl or do I let
tell the quarter hey, alert, alert the curl, Alert the
(25:07):
curl so he can drive it. That's when you're really
starting to.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I ain't like it's coming.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I ain't like that type of that type of mindset,
that type of communication, that back and it's coming, because
even off that last game, I fel like last game
was one of the most.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Games of woods. Is out the communicating like old three.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
But I want alert the stickers or alert the Diarus
special and they're there're two players around to come on,
let's find make them play for us.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So I feel like we paid for us.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So I feel like last day, like we was really
on the communication, like you could tell through the Tuesday
Wednesday practice, the walkthroughs and things like that, Like everybody
already bet, Like list on there, Li's on the indicators,
if you see something to say something.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
If you at the corner on the right side, see something,
to the corner on the left side, see something, So
like everybody's really just in tune. They already bet. Like
let's forgot how we go out here on Sunday. Really like,
let's not just go out there and planes, go out
there and dominor assignment.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yes, yes, y'all in there, it's click it. I love
to hear that. I love to hear that. Well, this
this you, I got Monday night football coming up. This
is your first one. You feeling good?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, I feel like good.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I'm really I'm prepared. I'm ready to see what when
it that has to come for Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Good opportunity, it's gonna be a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Just go out there and again, take walk through series,
keep that communication, keep keep building that trust in one another.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It's gonna all work out, not for sure. I appreciate
you I appreciate you, Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Sir, appreciate you all love. I know it's your off day,
so I want to take too much more of your time.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Can long time? I need a jersey though, I need
a jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
No, I need it.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Okay, okay, let me let me get a jay Bird
on that.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, I know you like I know JA getting here
in the next three days, no.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Question, no question. That's that's what I'm saying. Which one
you want though, Yeah, you want the Niners one?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Come on, I need the Niners. Come on, I have
jay Bird, send me one off and get it back
to you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
But that's real.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
That's real, Yes, sir, all love for sure, that's love
for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Oh, speaking of that, I gotta get you want a jersey.
I gotta get some of your clothes. Then you gotta
send me some of your clothing.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Bread, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I gotta clothe them. I got a couple of pieces
I can get you right. You you know I'll be
seeing you be throwing on the fist on.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
The other side. I gotta throw right, get your boy right,
look like how you wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
To look, because you know you've normally go butting down
the things like it ain't no button down. It's really
like a little street wearing shirt byby you can get
I can wear.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
When I'm on the street then yeah, yeah, you gonna look.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You canna wear when you're doing something like right now,
like you can wear when you're on the pie kicking.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It right right right? Yeah, give me some of that
lazy ways.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Got you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I got a couple of boxes in the back of
I gotta ship off anyway, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Okay, give me right. Well, I appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You enjoy your off day, and we'll have you on
later on when y'all headed to the playoffs and you
fall and you get your second and third pick.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Maybe hey, open the converse next time. We were talking
about in conversations that she look a whole lot different.
It's a whole lot of more blessings on it.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I know it will be. It will be for sure,
not for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I appreciate you for hap man.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I appreciate you man anytime, anytime. I look forward to
the next time. Appreciate you
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