(07/10) GAS Hour 3 Swamp Watch & Parenting With Justin Worsham

Swamp Watch.Parenting with Justin Worsham.

Episode Transcript

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This is Gary and Shannon and you'relistening to KFI A M six forty,
the Gary and Shannon Show on demandon the iHeartRadio app. Another hot day
in Houston as they deal with theafter effects of Hurricane Burrell. Burrell,
by the way, b E ry L. Somebody called and said that
Gopher, the character from Love Boat, his real name is Burrel. Great

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classic, but Burrell like Burl ivesb Url, so it's different. I
don't know why that's anything doesn't It'samazing how much Burrell has generated conversation.
The Director of National Intelligence, DavrilHaynes, says that intelligence community has observed
actors tied to Iran's government posing asactivists online, seeking to encourage protests,

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and even providing financial support to antiIsrael protesters. This disclosure came out in
a press release yesterday. She saidit was for the purpose of informing the
public of foreign efforts to influence ourdemocratic processes. A couple of talkbacks to
get too not altomalled with first Rodeoand Handmos guns on the set. Yes,

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many times he knows the rules,he knows what to do. Why
he pulled the trigger because of hisarrogance. He didn't need a safety procedure
by a new beyond the set.Interesting. I don't know about arrogance.
I mean, I know the guycomes across as arrogant. I would imagine

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that in that moment, he's probablyjust not paying attention. I don't know
if it's arrogance. Well, theywere, they were in rehearsal mode,
right, they were just about toshoot the scene. We're going to use
a different one. I knew rightwhen that was coming out of my mouth.
Too late. All right, goahead, no go, go go,
Gary love the show. Long timelisteners. Everyone that's handled a single

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action revolver knows, if you faithdoes this guy sound like he's handled a
single action revolve many It sounds likehe's got one in his hand right now.
Maybe to everyone that's handled a singleaction revolver knows, if you failed
to cock it fully to the firststop and let the hammer go, it
will fire. Ask yourself, whydid old timers only carry five rounds in

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their pistol? Why did a hammerhe could go off? Ah, we
need to get this guy a deal. I love him. I want to
talk to him. What pipes cityhair from Vegas? Why isn't anybody talking
about how the armor used to letthe crew guts take the guts for shooting

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practice. We're hearing lunch while papershooting them, so nobody's talking about that.
Well, and that's why the liverounds were found on the set,
because she was fast and loose withletting people shoot them using real I hadn't
thought about that in a while though. Yeah, and there was also some
partying going on as well. IfI'm not mistaken, it was it was

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a loose set. Shall we say? Okay, we shall It's time for
swamp watch. The swamp is horrible, The government doesn't work. Good man,
make it like a reality TV show, bad news. Always a pleasure
to be anywhere from Washington, dC. Hey, Joey after a town
hall too clearly built on a swampand in so many ways still a swamp

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to watch make he said, drainedthe swamp. I said, oh,
that's so hope. You know thething well, As we mentioned, Joe
Biden has tried to put that debatedebacle behind him by coming out with some
pretty high energy events that he's beenThe bar is low, but high energy

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events that he's been doing in interviewshe shouted his way through that interview on
MSNBC on Monday morning. Uh,he had a speech, which by the
way, was on the phone.I think does make a difference. He
was energetic, I would say duringa speech to NATO this morning. He
spoke to the AFLCIO when we weregoing making through. You know, I

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said I was going to be themost pro union president in American history.
Well guess what I am. AndI'm staying that again. The not the
greatest, not the highest energy,but for him, pretty high energy.
The names now associated with people callingfor him to step down continues to grow,
and they're important people. George ClooneyEllison, you think politically is important

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or not, I don't care.He's important because he raises a lot of
money. It's the money money talks. Yes. He wrote an op ed
in The New York Times today thatsaid, I'm proud of what my party,
Democrats represent and what it stands for. As part of my participation of
my chosen candidate, I've led someof the biggest fundraisers in the party's history

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Obama, Clinton, Biden. Lastmonth, he co hosts the single largest
fundraiser supporting any Democratic end candidate ever, and he wrote, I love Joe
Biden, but the one battle hecannot win is the fight against time.
None of us can. And it'sdevastating to say it, but the Joe
Biden I was with three weeks agoat the fundraiser was not the Joe big

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effing deal Biden of twenty ten.He wasn't even the Joe Biden of twenty
twenty. He was the same manwe all witnessed at the debate and he
said, this is about age,nothing more but nothing, but also nothing
that can be reversed. We arenot going to win in November with this

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president. Disney airis Abigail Disney.She came out soon after the debate and
she says, I'm not going tospend any more money, and she's got
a lot of money. We're talkingto Disney eiras. She says she's not
going to spend any more money unlesshe drops out. Locally, we talked
about this on Fox eleven. RickCaruso, of course, he was the
mayoral candidate, you know him forthe local shopping centers, the Grove American

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brand, etc. He's got alot of money. He held a fundraising
campaign for Biden seven months ago,and then he came out and said that
he needs to drop out. NancyPelosi, longtime biden ally arguably the queen
of the Democratic Party as of rightnow. She shied away from an endorsement

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today on MSNBC. Does he haveyour support to be the head of the
democraticut as long as the president had? The president, it's up to the
president to suicide if he is goingto run. We're all encouraging him to
make that decision because time is runningshort now. The President would tell her,
I've already decided. Yes. It'sfunny that she chose that language specifically.

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Yeah, that was by design becausehe's gone what he was on ABC
with George on Friday night, saidthat he wasn't going anywhere. All the
headlines say he is standing firm,He's not going anywhere. On em NBC
on the phone, he sounded evenangry saying that he's not going anywhere.
He got into he has this modewhere he believes that the louder, angrier

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I get, the more energetic Isound, when in fact it almost works
against him. He just sounds likean old guy shaking his fist at the
sky. Oh, he sounds verydefensive and I don't know this word aside
society after a glass of wine.Senator Michael Bennett out of Colorado also was
on CNN last night. He wascredited with saying behind closed doors that Biden

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should step down. He and twoother senators Democratic senators, but they weren't
willing to do it publicly. Sohe sat down with Caitlin Collins last night
on CNN and said as much.For me, this isn't a question about
pulling. It's not a question aboutpolitics. It's a moral question about the
future of our country. And Ithink it's critically important for us to come

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to grips with what we face iftogether, we put this country on the
path of electing Donald Trump again.So he's one of the higher profile,
not necessarily the highest, but ahigh profile Democrat who's calling for Biden to
step down. There's more to this. There have been people who have suggested
that presidential candidates, not just JoeBiden, but the presidential candidates, should

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be subject to cognitive tests. Ithink one of the loudest voices on that
was actually a potential candidate, NikkiHaley, the ambassador, former ambassador and
former governor South Carolina had suggested thatall candidates release pertinent medical history and take
cognitive tests. I've seen the comparison. It's like asking for your taxes,

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sure too, Yeah, and againyou know you could tell some things,
I suppose from someone's tax return.I think the biggest the biggest thing that
you might be able to tell ishow much money US person or family gives
to charity. But other than that, I can't think of specific things that
you're going to find in a taxreturn that would be indicative of how that

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person is going to run a stateor a country. The problem with cognitive
tests is there are different kinds,and they reveal different things about people's cognition.
For example, the test that Ithink most of us are familiar with
is the Montreal Cognitive assessment called aMocha test. Takes about fifteen minutes.

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You're asked to recall. You're askedto do some very simple things. Recall
a list of five words, drawa clock with its hands set to a
particular time, some subtraction, simplemath, names of animals in a drawing,
among other things. When Donald Trumptook the test back in twenty eighteen,
the then White House physician now Congressmandoctor Ronnie Jackson gave it to him.

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Trump scored thirty out of thirty.Different versions of that test showed up
online. You could see it.You could take it yourself. It's not
a very difficult test, but itdoes show a couple of things. It
could show a couple of things.For example, this could be a test
of short term memory. They tellyou the five words, then they give

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you a bunch of different problems tosolve, and then they come back and
say, remember those five words Itold you, write them down, or
however many you can. Remember whenmy dad he was getting a long term
care insurance evaluation and had to takea test very similar to this. There
were physical aspects of it too,but he had to take a test very

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similar to this because they needed todetermine what kind of help he was going
to need in the home. AndI remember my biggest takeaway from watching him.
I was in the room when hedid it. My biggest takeaway was
he's sharp as attack, he's justslower. And they said, that's one
of the things that you would beable to tell in a test like this,

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is you may be able to getall of the things correct. It's
just going to take you more timethan when you were forty or thirty or
whatever. Right, And Biden,in his defense, was saying that he
said that to ABC News George Stephanopolisthe other night. He said, can
I run a whatever it was insome flat? No, I do it
a lot slower. But I don'tthink that we collectively could agree on the

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fact that he is sharp as attack, right, like your father. He's
slower, but he's still sharp.The question is, would this determine any
of these tests, or this basicMocha test determine what is the underlying issue
with President Biden? Right? Andthey're saying that in that kind of a
situation, if somebody crushes the test, that's one thing. That's fine.

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If somebody completely bombs the test,oh, that's an indication also that something's
going on. But it's those middlenumbers. Somebody gets a B on this
thing, is that enough to causeconcern? And it would take another evaluation.
They're saying that that Mocha test cantake fifteen minutes, but a full
evaluation of someone's cognitive abilities could takeall day, could take several hours,

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if not all day, And eventhen it's not a guaranteed thermometer of how
their brain is working. Yeah,and if you were listening earlier, I'm
going to repeat myself just because Ido think it's worth repeating that to Carine
Jean Pierre. Yesterday in the pressbriefing room, there was one particular reporter

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who put it in just basic termsand made it very familial in that look,
and she was getting upset, asin Koreean Jean Pierre. If this
was your father, if this wasyour mother, your sister, your brother,
your uncle, and you saw thissort of happen publicly or not publicly,
wouldn't you just say, let's geta cognitive test. I know we're
talking about what kind of a cognitivetest, but I would say, as

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a family member, whatever it needsto be, if we have to take
them to a demention specialist, aneurologist and get those electrodes on him to
see what his brain looks like inside. I've done stories with the neurologists at
UCLA recently and we had the consentof dementia patient and we saw how they
track that and the decline and youcan see the plaque building up in the

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brain. It's all amazing and fascinatingthe way that they can judge and diagnose
you. Now, that is whatI think would put the American people at
ease. At ease maybe, butit would It would just be clarifying.
Sure, And they're afraid of that. I think, absolutely afraid of that.

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Just too bad. On Wednesdays,we'd like to welcome in our friend
Justin Warsham. We talk about parenting. Thank also the Dad podcast for a
long time and is so smack andneck deep in parenting right now. It
doesn't get any better, Yeah,get any better. I am a fifteen
year old soon to be sixteen it'llbe sixteen in September, and a fresh

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thirteen year old. He just turnedthirteen last month, and man, I
am it's all new teenagers. Ihad drama with you know, I've talked
about it multiple times. I've haddrama with the younger one for quiet a
while and now he's transitioning out.And the one of the best piece of
advice my dad gave me when Ihad two kids was I said, jokingly
said, do you really ever havedo you have favorites? Like you could
be honest now like I'm I'm likealmost in my forties and he goes,

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you don't have favorites, but you'renever happy with all of them at the
same time, like he goes,it's a great way to he goes,
whatever one of you is struggling andyour mom and I are worried. As
soon as that one starts to getbetter, we start looking at the other
two were going, Okay, who'sgonna when's that shoe gonna drop? Well,
And I think a corollary to thatis something that I heard Heraldo say
one time, which is, you'renever happier. No, uh, you're

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what is it? You're never happywith you? Then your saddest child.
That's a great yeah, that's yes, that's a very I mean they constantly
they tether you, whether you likeit or not. Very I like that.
Like that a lot because the issues, the quote unquote issues that I'm
having with my now fifteen year oldis that he has that like independent desire.

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He's a teenage and he like theydo we did it, I did
it. I should say that youdo the thing where you pretend like you're
an adult even though you need tobe taxied around and entirely subsidized by your
parents. My old man, sohe just randomly said, he goes,
hey, Dad, my friend groupwants to go to Palm Springs. Do
you think if we get a rideout there, that you could come pick

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us up? And I wish Icould say, they'll go, well the
what but I said, I lookedat it, I go, yeah,
yeah, I think I could dothat. And then shortly afterwards I was
like, what am I doing?And now it's transitioned to where I'm taking
like eight kids out to Pop's fartingand hanging out the day, like in
a hotel room while they hang outby a pool. I think it's a
hop. Yeah. I share thatmostly because I think I come in here

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and talk a big game about beingthis authoritative parent. This is not racially
sensitive allegory here. But have youever seen Song of the South? Do
you remember? Do you remember whenBreyer Rabbit starts punching the tar baby and
can't get his fit. That soundslike you're about to start punching this fake
tar an. I have it.I have it, But I think I
can relate to what you're trying tosuggest that I stay away from. We've

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talked about helicopter parenting, bulldozer parenting. What is roommates. This one is
a new one. I saw likefive articles about this new trend that came
out and roommate parenting, which Idon't know how it could believe, but
how it could be a thing intoday's era. But it's dubbed by a
teacher who's describing the phenomenon online it'sa lack of parents describe only interact with

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their children at meal times or specifictimes like TV time, spending all of
their other time together sitting in differentrooms and not speaking so essentially friends their
roommates in the that you have commonareas of a house at your each are
renting rooms and that is the onlytime you interact is when you are in
those common areas. Otherwise, Imean, these people have to have mostly
teenagers too, Like that's very ateenager thing, which kind of made me

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go, wait a minute, butno, I'm definitely not a roommate parent.
And what's the fallout on this?The fallout is that there's no involvement
from parents, which it The onlything that can make sense is if this
is like a growing trend. Wetalked about it in regards to homework,
like the school system tends to havethis pendulum swing where you'll go through a
year where it's like homework is horrible. There's no scientific evidence it supports homework

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as a way for kids to learn, and then it swings back the other
way. We have to do homework. We don't have time to do everything
in the classroom. I think thatthis might be the pendulum swinging of like
helicopter parenting, where it's it's notgood, it's neglectful, but that parents
are like, oh, you kindof do your own thing. I want
them to be free and make theirown choices. All that garbage, well

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you are taking when A is Shannoncome back. You're not the only one.
Somehow your your guff is nicer.But I find her is more hardworking.
I maybe it's familiar, that's all. It is. Funny. I
do what I can. She reallypunches you in the guy. You just
got to give a little tap,Yeah, says the says the woman who

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is not a parent. By theway it works, yeah exactly, it
fits. Don't worries. But you'venever taken your a door off of the
hinge. No. No, Butif I was pushed to it, I
would absolutely, in a heart beatdo it. But my kids are a
little more compliant than that. ThenI've I've never got to that level,
well because I I there have,just there have been times when I've had

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to say, the door doesn't closeif you're usually it's because there's somebody else
again room, that's a deal.Yes, you joked about me allowing Blake
Kits to be involved in So thatwas a Shannon favorite that I let my
kid while we're all watching movies inthe living room, he would stuggle with
his girlfriend under a comforter, andshe was like, a lot can happen

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under a cover. I was like, no, not that kid. I
love your I love your advanced abilityto be so naive. Right, Yeah,
it's like a muscle you have toand even like even in this conversation,
I'm like, right, it's crazyhow naive I am, isn't there?
Like like I just decided to putmore not even saying on top of

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my hey, you just took meback to like the seventh grade watching Dirty
Dancing. Hello during the break story, follow us on Twitter to get the
scoop on MILET. Thomas's Dirty Dancing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's
right. I like Marlow Thomas.Yeah, you have time, all right,

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But when we come back gen Zrewriting the rules of parents. The
last thing I'll say about roommate parentingis that teachers are calling parents. The
teacher said they've seen an eleven yeardecline in students where when they call a
parent about behavior, the parents areannoyed that they're getting contacted about their kids
behavior. That's how bad it seemsto be, getting my could you if
I got a call from a teacherwho was like, I would like to

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talk to you about your daughter oryour I'd like, bring it on,
yeah, tell me more, tellme more, give me, give me.
How can we take him down together? Justin Warsham was jointed as we
talk about parenting gen Z parents.Now gen Z that would be the youngest
of the people who are just gettinginto the whole parents sorry, nineteen ninety
seven to twenty twelve. So that'sthe So most of those early gen z
ers are probably likely to be havingkids or have maybe a kid in their

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mid twenties kind of thing. GenZ are the like the higher socks too.
We went over this on Monday.Is that right? Yes, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I would letme see your socks. I wear
tube socks. But I think I'mwhat, Yeah, I think I are
I a gen xer? Black Yeah, black socks. Yeah, those are

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navy blue. That's like not thatfar off, but with a cute little
ankle till that's a little burgundy thatties in with your shirt look. And
by the way, what the hellis a guy with this much fashion said
it's doing on the radio waste toget those ankles out on the interwet I
already gave him a compliment on hispullover today, right, his head's not
going to figure fit in here inour saga, this whole thing. Yeah,

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the two people I count on formy fashion advice. So gen Z
parents are evidently like making themselves tobe like we are better, Like every
generation is trying to improve things.But what's interesting is that this is a
study that came out in October oftwenty twenty two that said that eighty three
percent of Gen Z mothers believe it'sessential to be perfect, compared to only

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seventy seven percent of millennial mothers.Well, and part of that, we
say it all the time, hasto do with the pressure that comes from
social media. Yes, I thinkit's where you're posting information about your kids
or the perfect pictures or the vacationsor the schools or my kid plays piano
and they're only three years old.Every day is a Christmas newsletter now where
it's like it's every day. That'sa great way to play every day.

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That is so great. We haveto over celebrate Barber's accomplishments. Physical discipline.
Nobody. Yeah, that gen zis like way against it. It's
almost completely outdated and obsolete now inAmerica, is what they're saying. Like
people are commenting on like they said, Asian parents on the internet disciplining their
kids with a sandal, like it'skind of like a joke, but in

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aulture of joke exactly. I don'teither. Yeah, but I was hit
plenty of times. I mean,I'm not saying that my parents beat the
living tar out of me, butthere was enough physical contact that I got
the message. Yeah, And again, I came from a household both parents,
they loved us. There was thatwasn't an issue. I wasn't afraid

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of them physically or anything like that. But sometimes it was just enough to
get your attention. It did thetrick. It did the trick, and
listen we're big dumb animals. Whenit comes down to it, We're just
big sacks of bone and meat,and we can't A lot of times,
our brains don't work right unless youhave a physical stimulus to kind of snap
you out of your stupidity. Dogtraining is the is the probably not a

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perfect analogy. I was like,yeah, look at I was like,
exactly, it's when the dog.If my kids love me more, gart
I their dishes with water and foodright, yank on their leash every once
in a while, only when theyneed it. But it's it's just a
matter of sometimes a matter of breakingthem out of but distracting them from whatever

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behavior they're doing that you know isbad for them, whether they're being a
little a hole or they're doing somethingpotentially dangerous. I do a lot now
that they're teenagers. Not this,I've never I've only I did. My
My dad thumped me in the head, and I have thumped each of my
kids one time, and you wouldhave think that I just like the emotional
reaction was something that I'm like,well, this isn't gonna work. My
dad jokingly one time said I'm like, hey, do you think you would

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still like spank or thumpus today andI go because nobody does that. And
he's like, I don't like toput away any tools. It's everything at
his disposal. Don't take anything offthe table if I could use it for
a job. I'm gonna. I'mgonna. What about the value of education.
They're big to higher education. Istill think I mean micro started talking
about this. I want to sayabout a decade ago. I really think

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that we're going to see this shiftlong term in that the trades are going
to be high dollar, like highincome level things like plumbers. And he's
saying that there were trending towards theworld where a plumber will make more than
a doctor in our society because theywill be in higher demand. It's so
funny that you just you quoted oryou're talking about Mike Row. I used
to be his producer. Oh really, Yeah? Is he he's an animal,

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isn't he? He's just a horrible, horrible He's the sweetest I knew.
He's such a great guy. Thatvoice, well, shoulder you're seeing.
I think a backlash when you realizea lot of people believe now the
government should come in and save youfrom your student debt which you shouldn't hopefully
have gotten into the first place.And that's one of the things that he

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talks about is why are you goingto do Why are you going to spend
tens of thousands of dollars of someoneelse's money that you're going to have to
repay getting a job or i'm sorry, getting an education that doesn't translate into
a well paying job. Now,not saying you shouldn't do that. No,
you want to be an artist,Do you want to be a medieval
puppeteer? Be that, but understandthat it's not my responsibility to pay for

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the sometis you learning right, exactly, especially because it's not Yeah, a
degree is that required in those fields? Particularly, I'm I wonder if there
will actually be a a shrinkage ofthe number of people who go to college
for those types of jobs, because, I mean, we've seen some of
that pushback and some some sort ofpullback from from people who find that that's

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not the right career path for them. But I want to be the gen
Z kids kids, Well, they'reprioritizing family life over work. Like That's
another stat that's shared in the samestudy. The fifty seven percent of gen
Z parents consider work an essential partof their identity, compared to sixty eight
percent of millennials. And I wouldI would venture a guess the gen X
everybody beforehand would probably be an evenhigher percentage. Yeah, because you're like,

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but it is. I don't knowhow. I don't know how good
that necessarily is. I have afriend who he when I've always admired how
he handles his family. Oh,I'm right here. You know, I
don't want to. I pile onenough. Sometimes I make you a friend
in my mind. But he hetold his wife a long time ago,
he goes, listen, just soyou know. I will never be rich
with money. My goal is tobe rich with time. And it was

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just because he grew up in Francewith a dad who worked a lot,
and he just didn't want to dothat. He's he's still hard on his
kids, like he has expectations ofhim and everything. But they don't have
a lot of money. But theyHe's right, but they spend a lot
of time together. They spend alot of time together as a family,
and his kids are delightful. They'rewonderful people. So I don't it's that
it's like that I think everything hasto come down to a balance, of

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course, But like I would definitelysay that I'm more wired for my career
even though I've quit my career.I quit being a comic because I wanted
to be a dad more than acomic. That was the whole reason why
I was like, the stand upthing isn't going to be for me.
So maybe that's the same. Idon't know. I mean more money now
than what I did a comic isYeah, I forget my kid's names.

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Is that important that I don't know? No, that's why you have a
wife, you guys. Ask her. She's a great she's a great resource.
You should lean on her. Listen, honey, you've been listening to
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