October 2, 2024 • 28 mins
Shannon is out today so Gary hosts solo. Gary beings the show by talking to BAC’s Shannon Kingston about the US saying they launched missiles to intercept the Iranian barrage. Gary also discusses last night’s VP debate with NewsNation’s Mike Viqueira.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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more information out of Hurricane Helen today in western North Carolina.
President Biden Vice President Harris expected to get an aerial
tour of the damage there. Of course, cadaver dogs and
search crews continue to work through the mud and the debris.
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We'll get some information out of North Carolina. Coming up
a little bit later. Sean Diddy Combs is now facing
dozens of new allegations. We'll be hearing from a lawyer
coming up a little bit later in the show regarding
his one hundred and twenty accusers that he says he
is representing as young as nine years old. One of
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two doctors charged the investigation of the death of Matthew
Perry is expected to plead guilty today. Fernando Venezuela's in
the hospital. We have Major League Baseball Wildcard playoffs to go.
There's a lot going on today on this Wednesday, so
full show. But we're going to start in what is
believed to be the beginning of a wider war in
the Middle East, Shannon Kingston is an ABC News State
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Department correspondent who's going to join us live from the
State Department. The Ambassador to the UN today for Israel
said this.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Israel will not stand by in the face of such
a vision. Israel will respond. Our response will be decisive,
and yes, it will be painful.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And of course he's talking about a response to the
one hundred and eighty plus missiles that were fired from
Iran into Israel yesterday. Shannon, the State Department obviously has
ears to the ground when it comes to this sort
of thing. Are we being naive when we say we're
waiting for a wider war? Aren't we already in it?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, that's definitely an argument that you can make because
we've seen chapter after chapter of escalation. But if farm
An officials say it still could get much worse before
it has a possibility to get better. So we do
know that US officials have been engaged with Israeli counterparts,
really since those Iranian missiles were actively streaking across the
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sky in Tel Aviv and other major cities in Israel,
to try to find the right response to this aggression.
The sweet spot of a target that Israel can hit
that won't prompt another retaliation from Iran another strike, but
also will really you know, follow through on the threat
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to make these consequences felt.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Do you think the Supreme Leader of Iran is a
potential target in some sort of retaliation.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think it would be difficult to hit the Supreme Leader.
I think that that would be on the far end
of the scale as well. If Israel had the option,
might be possible. I don't want to speculate, but really
what they're looking at is possibly going after Iranian energy production,
maybe oil production. Now that's the backbone of their economy.
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So that's something US officials have kicked around as a
more serious target that they could hit without kind of
you know, going all the way to one end of
the spectrum. Now, US official some have argued that they
want to see Israel stick to purely military targets in
iron So this is very much discussion that's still playing out,
and Israeli officials haven't really settled on an answer yet.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't want to belittle the current conflict that's going on,
but if this is a bar fight and we the
United States are trying to hold our friend back from
kicking somebody's butt. What do we say, What does the
Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln say to his counterpart in
Israel to try to prevent this from getting out of hand.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Or really what the Secretary has been saying, what other
top officials have been saying to Israel is the message
that they've been repeating for months now, almost a year.
Think about the broader security situation, Think about the long
term consequence of your action. But we do know that
Israel wants to get back to a place where it
can establish this feeling of deterrence among its enemies in
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the region. And you know, we also know that they're
promising that this retaliation is going to come swiftly. So really,
I think officials are bracing in very much weight and
sche mode.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And I know that that whole portion of the world
is very tangled in terms of alliances. Where do other
Arab states come down on what happened yesterday? We heard
anything from from Jordan, from Syria, from Iraq.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, we do know that Jordan did participate in Israeli's sense,
they haven't come out and directly back to Israel. It's
still a very fraught topic, especially with ongoing Israeli campaigns
in Gaza and against Hesbela and Lebanon. But they did
strike down some of the Iranian missiles that flew over
their airspace. So the relationship remains very complicated. But one
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thing that the running leadership made clear today is it
sees very much Israel and the US at linked. Really
Ron came out and blamed the US for much of
their problems in the region. So it's the door swings
both ways here with the alliances.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, all right, Shannon, thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Thank you, Shannon Kingston, ABC News State Department correspondent there
from the State Department, so we get at least one
Shannon on the show per day. I believe last night's
debate between Senator jd Vance of Ohio and Governor Tim
Walls Minnesota was informative, more informative than the two presidential
debates that we had seen. It was cordial, a whole
lot more cordial than we ever saw Trump and Harris,
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or even Trump and Biden. It was introductory, which was
important because a lot of people don't have any clue
who either one of these guys happens to be. Now
that worked for them in different ways, For one thing,
I think a lot of people had a negative opinion
of JD. Vance because he is now aligned with Donald Trump,
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and they're going to jump to a conclusion about what
kind of a person would team up with Donald Trump
on a presidential ticket. But also Tim Walls, Yeah, he's gregarious,
he's embulent. I'm not even no sure I'm using that
word right. But he lacked some substance. It seemed on
some of the answers that he gave last night, it
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wasn't full of personal attacks. In fact, it seemed like
JD and Tim were going to go out and have
a beer afterwards.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
But after all of that, after.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Ninety minutes, it wasn't even necessarily a big win for
either side. Here's an example JD. Vance referring to the
governor as Tim, even though that's the first time they've
ever met.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Apparently, Tim, I think you got a tough job here
because you've got to play whack a mole. You've got
to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay,
which of course he did. You've got to pretend that
Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
And then you simultaneously got defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic
record which has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair
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American citizens.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
There were a couple of different times when Tim Walls
had good lines, good shots towards JD. Vance Basically, Okay, well,
then defend your boss if you want to call them that,
defend your running mates record on insert name of this.
There things got a little awkward, and I felt let
down by the discussion when it came to abortion specifically,
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because they want to argue the outskirts of that issue.
They want to argue the partial birth abortion, the nine
month thing, the six weeks, six week abortion ban, and
things like that. All of those issues are fringe issues.
Not that they're not important, don't mishear me. Those are
important when you talk about it. But the general ideas
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of what is abortion and whether you want to fight
to keep the right to abortion or you want to
fight against it, make it rare or make it illegal,
whichever wherever you come down on it, those issues need
to be agreed upon in the beginning. I mean basically
the terms of what you're going to argue about. And
I thought JD Vance had an opportunity to a missed
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opportunity to say. I mean he referred to women in
his life who have had abortions in the past, and
I mean very clearly referenced to whoever he was talking
about and said, I love you.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Go on.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
He said that there would be a time when abortion,
or I should say, there are places where abortion is
going to be illegal, because that's how the states decide things.
And as messy as democracy is, that's what this grand
experiment is of having multiple states, multiple opportunities to come
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up with rules and laws, and if they work, they'll
work across the country. The thing that he didn't say
was I don't want anybody to have an abortion based
on economics. It felt like there was a missed opportunity.
He was getting to it and then kind of shied
away from it. I don't want any mother or family
to feel like they can't afford to have a child
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and that that would be the main reason why they
would abort their fetus. He had an opportunity to say that,
and he didn't. They got caught up in the specifics
of the the text of the law in Minnesota that apparently,
according to the fact checks that I've seen this morning.
Jade Vance was a whole lot closer to the truth
than was Tim Walls. But those are the issues that
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get figured out as we go through and deal with
it a bit later. There's an interesting piece in the
opinion piece pieces, I guess you could say, in the
New York Times today and they asked thirteen of their
opinion writers to basically grade the debate last night. Again
this is the New York Time Times. Nine of their
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writers said that jd. Vance won the debate last night
for a couple of different reasons. They talked about his
familiarity with the different issues that he was talking about,
his ability to make Donald Trump likable in their words.
In fact, one of them said, he made trump Ism
sound polite, calm, and coherent. Jd Vance not only one
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last night in terms of the debate, in that he
was able to prove those policies that Donald Trump cannot
articulate can be articulated by somebody calmly, without personal attacks,
someone using complete sentences. That's what he was able to
prove last night, and that's why he came across as likable.
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JD Vance went into the debate last night with the
lowest likability rating of all the four people on those
top of the tickets, But he came away so much
more likable.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I know the eyeliner jokes are out there.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
My daughter even asked me this morning why these two
guys on stage last night had better eyeliner than she's
ever had in her twenty two years of life.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I didn't have an answer for that.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But when we come back, I want to go through
a little bit about this, including who won the debate
according to the New York Times. It might surprise you,
but even the people who say the jd Vance won
the debate had a hard time giving him full credit
for winning that debate. That and then the two major
major problems that both candidates had. I should say they
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each had one major problem that could have been avoidable. Well,
we continue to talk about what happened last night in
the vice presidential debate between JD.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Vance and Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mentioned a couple of things in terms of the
big missteps I thought that both of them had, But
in terms of the general opinion, it appears that jd
Vance was basically the winner life last night. Joining us
now from DC is the Bureau chief Mike Vikara for
News Nation, and Mike.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I was most interested to see. There's an opinion piece in.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
The New York Times today where nine of their thirteen
writers gave JD.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Vance the win.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Many of them qualified that with other you know, they
said that he couldn't tell the truth, but they did
say that jd Vance won last night. What is the
prevailing opinion about how things went?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
And Gary, It's a funny question because folks like me
and others that write for the New York Times, I
think it's been demonstrated that we don't necessarily have the
pulse on the average Trump voter, or any voter for
that matter, and so it's always difficult to tell the
criteria by which we judge these things. Watching and listening
to political rhetorics for a living, it's maybe different than
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the average voter who maybe just getting to know JD. Vance,
Senator from Ohio and Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota.
But having said all that, I would say, as someone
who listens to political rhetoric for a living, I thought JD.
Vans acquitted himself fairly well. He was smooth, He's sanded
down the rough edges and some of the more controversial
statements that he's made leading up to this since his
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nomination in July as the vice presidential candidate for the Republicans.
You know, there was no talk as cat ladies. There
was no talk well, there was a little bit of
talk of Springfield, Ohio, but there was no fabricating of stories.
There was a very reasoned and measured JD vance, which
you know, came off relatively well. And it's something that
everybody says they want to see the overall tone of
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the debate being relatively civil, and that's something that folks
have often said for I guess decades now that they
want them to see more civility and politics. Whether that
translates into actually motivating viewers as another thing, and whether
that translates into whatever jdvans edge JD vance is perceived
to have over the self described knucklehead Tim Walls that
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you know, it remains be seen whether that's going to
translate into moving the needle at all in terms of
voting come November fifth.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We spoke with one of your colleagues yesterday regarding the
importance of the debate last night, because it appears that
it's this is the last debate for the tickets that
we'll see leading up to election day.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Did they deliver?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean, did do you think that they did justice
to their respective parties and their respective tickets?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I think they did. I mean I don't think by
any objective standard, I do think that Governor Rowles had
a difficult launch. There at the beginning of the date,
the beginning of the debate, there was a question about
foreign policy. Obviously, news of the day with the horrifying
and just certain pictures of the violence in the Middle
East and the rocket launches, some two hundred missiles launched
towards Israel from Iran itself. He seemed to stumble somewhat.
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He seemed to be visibly nervous. It was interesting because
you know, they were setting the expectation bar so low
in the hours leading up, were Democrats and saying that
he was going to be nervous. Many of us dismissed
that it's sort of playing the expectation game. But I
thought he was evidently nervous and a little bit halting
at the beginning, hitting a stride later in debate. The debate,
no question, but each man showing respect for the other's opinion,
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and so it was unusual in that respect. Again, whether
it move the needle or not, I tend to doubt it.
I mean, this is a vice presidential debate, and as
soon as we hear again from President Trump or the
next big moment or viral moment in the campaign. You
mentioned the fact that President Biden was getting on the
point out of Andrews near Washington here to head down
to North Carolina. The Vice president is going to be
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in Georgia in Augusta, Georgia later today as well, surveying
storm damage. President Trump, former President Trump in Texas, fundraising
in Midland and Houston, and Jade Vance has a stop
in Michigan as well. So oh, and I forgot to
mention Tim Walls. It was actually on a bus trip
in Pennsylvania that was originally intended for the vice president,
but because of the urgency of situation in the Southeast,
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she's heading that way. So whether or not this moves
the needle, there's so much more debating, I mean virtual debating.
I should say they're not going to be on the
same stage. It would appear at this point. Whether that
last night moved the needle or not, I think it
just sort of cemented the status quo.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
To be honest with.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You, I like your term.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
The Jdvance was able to sand down the rough edges
of some of the things that he said. I also
got the impression that he was able to articulate some
of the policies using complete sentences that former President Trump
does have a hard time doing. He gets distracted, he
gets into personal attacks.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Well, that's so interesting, right, because we often hear that
this is going to be the new Donald Trump. We
heard that in Milwaukee. I was there at the convention
where he was going to be much more measured, stick
to the issues, you know, a healthy measure of skepticism
from those of us who've been watching him in these
last eight years when we heard that. But at the
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convention he was somewhat more measured, somewhat less vitriolic. That's
all gone on out the window, of course, and most
recently we heard the former president try to tell us
that the vice president is mentally impaired. There's something wrong
with she was born that way. You know, the kind
of personal attacks that MAGA voters seem to enjoy or
eat up anyway, because they like it when the former
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president of the Stock and Trades sticks a thumb in
the eye at conventional wisdom and the Deep States quote
unquote that he likes to rail against and his supporters
like to hear him rail against. So yeah, JD. Vance
was measured. He did not sort of create any viral
moments that would sort of rival the attentions that anybody
pays to Donald Trump, which may have been another success
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that we hear often from Trump voters and that JD.
Evance needs to keep his head down and not overshadow
his boss. And I think he probably was successful in
that last night. You know, Tim Walls again nervous his
answer to his Tianon and Square where he was at
the moment the pro democracy chesters were in Tianam and
Square in late eighties. You know, he was off by
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several months. He said he made a mistake. You know,
he misrepresented where he was at that moment. He wasn't
in China. He was actually in Hong Kong, which at
the time was not part of the communist China. So
you know, there were a couple of stumbles by Tim Walls,
but I think overall he did hit his stride in
the second half of the debate.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, I was a little surprised that the word cats
never came up. I know, they kind of danced around
it with Springfield, Ohio, and the words task hardly never
came up. They didn't talk at all about the dock
workers strike on the East coast the port.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yeah, amazing, you know, and you know, obviously the longer
this goes on, we know all about the supply chain issues,
having just lived through the pandemic that really are coming
into play here, and how much money can be lost
in the economy and how businesses are going to suffer
not having a supplies as we hit into the holiday season.
That's obviously an urgent issue. It's in its second day now.
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We have a reporter standing by at the Port of
Baltimore at the picket line there. But this is all
up and down the East coast along the Gulf as well,
obviously an urgent issue. Yeah, I'm surprised that it didn't
come up.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
All right, Hey, great stuff, Mike, thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
It, all right, Thanks Gary.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Mike Vicarera again DC Bureau chief there for News Nation.
One more little segment on what's going on with the debate,
because there were two things I wanted to point out
that the negatives for both of these guys, they both
had an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Mike referred to one of them.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
They're the TN and Men's square answer that Tim Walls
kind of stumbled his way through, but also the non
answer that jd. Vance gave when it came to January sixth,
and then my wife's reaction till last night. It's fun.
I love her, She's fun. It's fun to be around.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Fernando is in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Fernando Valenzuela has been a part of the Spanish language
broadcast for the Dodgers for quite a while, but he
stepped away from his play calling duties last week, but
they didn't say why.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Now they're saying that he is in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But the family's been pretty quiet about exactly what is
going on, so we'll keep an eye on that story.
Israel's defense system stood pretty firm.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Iran unleashed a barrage of nearly two hundred missiles across Israel,
and most of them ballistic weapons. That makes intercepting them
kind of a challenge, but at this point, still no
reports of fatalities within Israel. Israel has said that they
will retaliate of course, the Iranians have said they'll retaliate
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for the retaliation if it gets to that, so we
will have an update. We'll do updates at the top
of the hour, by the way, regarding what's going on
with Hurricane Helen, because we know the President vice President
are going to be down in that area is viewing
some of the destruction that we saw. So more on
just to kind of wrap up what we saw in
the debate last night between jd Vance and Tim Walls.
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I said before, I believe that jd Vance did better
for himself in that debate. He was able to, as
Mike Vikara put it, sand down the rough edges of
things that he has said in the past, across as
very likable, very thoughtful. Yes, he used the line multiple
times that he was born in the middle class, and
I don't know if it was a shot at Kamala
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Harris or not, but it worked. There were a couple
of things that he did though, that I thought he
should have unleashed a little bit more often. In his
closing statement, jd Vance used this line that I think
has to be used over and over and over again
against Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Now I've been in politics long enough to do what
Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people
and says that on day one, she's going to work
on all these challenges I just listed. She's been the
vice president for three and a half years. Day one
was fourteen hundred days ago, and her policies have made
these problems worse.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Not necessarily a mic drop moment, but definitely an important
message that he and Donald Trump can use in terms
of his bad moment, though it came when they were
discussing January sixth, they were discussed election integrity. They were
discussing the results of the twenty twenty election, and Tim
Walls had a moment where he was going to force
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jd Vance to say that Trump lost that election?
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Did he lose the twenty twenty election?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
twenty twenty COVID situation?
Speaker 7 (22:22):
That is a damning non answer.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Now, it's a point that jd. Vance brought up censorship
multiple times. I in the business I'm in am very
passionate about censorship and the importance of the ability for
people to debate issues and the ability to freely debate issues.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
That was the wrong That was the wrong foil.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That was the wrong way to deflect by suggesting that
censorship was as big an issue as January sixth, so
as much as a negative as that was for JD.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Vance. Tim Walls tripped over his own.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Shoelaces left and right when he was confronted with his
story about being in Hong Kong during the Tieneman Square
protests in China.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
the deadly Tianamen Square protests in the spring of nineteen
eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Yeah, well, and the folks out there, it didn't get
at the top of this. Look.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
I grew up in small, rural Nebraska town of four
hundred town that you rode your bike with your buddy
still the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked on family farms,
and then I used the GI bill to become a teacher.
Passion about it. A young teacher my first year out,
I got the opportunity in the summer of eighty nine
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to travel to China thirty five years ago.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Be able to do that, I came back home.
Speaker 9 (23:56):
And then started a program to take young people there.
We would take basket ball teams, we would take baseball teams.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Again, he gets into this and he never actually explains, Okay,
but you said you were there. It's an easy thing
to say, and politicians are so unable to simply say, listen,
that was a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I blew it.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I screwed it up. I didn't mean to. There's no
ill will, but I just screwed up. And he could
not say it.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Can you explain?
Speaker 9 (24:24):
They all I said on this was is I got
there that summer and misspoke on this.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
So I will just that's what I've said.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
So I was in They just stop talking.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest. No, just
just say that's what I've said.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's what you just say. I just misspoke and then leave.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
It on this. So I will just that's what I've said.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He had an opportunity to just appear even more human.
I thought he came across very human. I mean, the
guy does seem like got a central casting, a football coach,
and a teacher, and the guy that you would go
to with your after school special problems, whatever it was.
But just drop the political aspect of answering a question
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and just get into it. Jady Vance fell into that
same trap when he couldn't answer whether or not Donald
Trump won or lost the election in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
They both fell into it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So in general, again I'll say this again that I
think jad Vance was the winner. The New York Times
agrees with me, if you can believe that they ask
thirteen of their columnists and contributors to assess who won
and who lost. And I just want to give you
a taste of this. And again, this is the New
York Times, who you would assume would not give JD.
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Vance the time of day. A couple of them didn't.
But Benjamine Applebaum said JD. Vance was more effective in
presenting a version of his party's ticket that might broaden
its appeal. Said he made trump Ism sound polite, calm,
and coherent. John USh Borrow said Vance was far nimbler
than the nervous Tim Walls, especially in the first half
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of the debate. Charles Blow, a columnist, he outright said
that Tim Walls won, that he clearly did his homework.
Anyone afraid that Vance would roll over him could breathe easily.
Vance seemed not to have been told to come across
as a condescending valedictorian, or sorry, has had been told
not to come across as a condescending valedictorian. Jammel Bowie,
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a columnist for The Times, wrote it this way, It's
a pretty straightforward verdict. Vance won this debate. It's not
hard to see why. But in the next sentence wrote,
he has no regard for the truth. He lies as
easily as he breathes. Jane Coston, a contributing writer, Vance
seemed smoother and more practiced, but one would be a
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very strong term here. Another one calling it a draw
because Waltz was so bad in much of his delivery.
Vance was much more forceful speaker. Another one for Vance.
It was a commanding performance for Walls a nervous ramble.
Matt Labash, author of a newsletter called slack Tide. Nobody dominated,
but I am going to give the light a slight
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edge to Walls. Specifically because of the January sixth answer,
another one Vance won compared with the candidates for the
presidential debates. Both vice presidential candidates performed admirably, And it
goes on and on again. The vast majority of those
thirteen columnists and opinion writers for The New York Times
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suggested that it was JD.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Vance that won.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
My wife also said this, and this was echoed by
a lot of people I saw on social media that
going into it, there was an expectation that JD. Vance
was an unlikable person, an unlikable character, an unlikable politician.
But seeing that performance last night made him much more likable.
He seen down to earth. He wasn't arrogant, he wasn't boastful,
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he wasn't bombastic the way that his running mate is.
And he refered to Tim Walls multiple times as Tim.
He honored him by calling him governor a couple of times,
but also got down to that folksy level and just
called him Tim. They mentioned off and on both of them, Hey,
we agree on a lot of this stuff. There is
some commonality in the things that we believe in, and
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that I think was endearing on both of the candidate's parts,
and then at the end, Oosha Vance comes walking out
and my wife says, who's that Hatzie Dotsie, And I said,
I don't objectify women that way.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
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coming up a little bit later in the show regarding
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is representing as young as nine years old. One of
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two doctors charged the investigation of the death of Matthew
Perry is expected to plead guilty today. Fernando Venezuela's in
the hospital. We have Major League Baseball Wildcard playoffs to go.
There's a lot going on today on this Wednesday, so
full show. But we're going to start in what is
believed to be the beginning of a wider war in
the Middle East, Shannon Kingston is an ABC News State
(01:08):
Department correspondent who's going to join us live from the
State Department. The Ambassador to the UN today for Israel
said this.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Israel will not stand by in the face of such
a vision. Israel will respond. Our response will be decisive,
and yes, it will be painful.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And of course he's talking about a response to the
one hundred and eighty plus missiles that were fired from
Iran into Israel yesterday. Shannon, the State Department obviously has
ears to the ground when it comes to this sort
of thing. Are we being naive when we say we're
waiting for a wider war? Aren't we already in it?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, that's definitely an argument that you can make because
we've seen chapter after chapter of escalation. But if farm
An officials say it still could get much worse before
it has a possibility to get better. So we do
know that US officials have been engaged with Israeli counterparts,
really since those Iranian missiles were actively streaking across the
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sky in Tel Aviv and other major cities in Israel,
to try to find the right response to this aggression.
The sweet spot of a target that Israel can hit
that won't prompt another retaliation from Iran another strike, but
also will really you know, follow through on the threat
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to make these consequences felt.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Do you think the Supreme Leader of Iran is a
potential target in some sort of retaliation.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think it would be difficult to hit the Supreme Leader.
I think that that would be on the far end
of the scale as well. If Israel had the option,
might be possible. I don't want to speculate, but really
what they're looking at is possibly going after Iranian energy production,
maybe oil production. Now that's the backbone of their economy.
(03:01):
So that's something US officials have kicked around as a
more serious target that they could hit without kind of
you know, going all the way to one end of
the spectrum. Now, US official some have argued that they
want to see Israel stick to purely military targets in
iron So this is very much discussion that's still playing out,
and Israeli officials haven't really settled on an answer yet.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't want to belittle the current conflict that's going on,
but if this is a bar fight and we the
United States are trying to hold our friend back from
kicking somebody's butt. What do we say, What does the
Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln say to his counterpart in
Israel to try to prevent this from getting out of hand.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Or really what the Secretary has been saying, what other
top officials have been saying to Israel is the message
that they've been repeating for months now, almost a year.
Think about the broader security situation, Think about the long
term consequence of your action. But we do know that
Israel wants to get back to a place where it
can establish this feeling of deterrence among its enemies in
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the region. And you know, we also know that they're
promising that this retaliation is going to come swiftly. So really,
I think officials are bracing in very much weight and
sche mode.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And I know that that whole portion of the world
is very tangled in terms of alliances. Where do other
Arab states come down on what happened yesterday? We heard
anything from from Jordan, from Syria, from Iraq.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, we do know that Jordan did participate in Israeli's sense,
they haven't come out and directly back to Israel. It's
still a very fraught topic, especially with ongoing Israeli campaigns
in Gaza and against Hesbela and Lebanon. But they did
strike down some of the Iranian missiles that flew over
their airspace. So the relationship remains very complicated. But one
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thing that the running leadership made clear today is it
sees very much Israel and the US at linked. Really
Ron came out and blamed the US for much of
their problems in the region. So it's the door swings
both ways here with the alliances.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, all right, Shannon, thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Thank you, Shannon Kingston, ABC News State Department correspondent there
from the State Department, so we get at least one
Shannon on the show per day. I believe last night's
debate between Senator jd Vance of Ohio and Governor Tim
Walls Minnesota was informative, more informative than the two presidential
debates that we had seen. It was cordial, a whole
lot more cordial than we ever saw Trump and Harris,
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or even Trump and Biden. It was introductory, which was
important because a lot of people don't have any clue
who either one of these guys happens to be. Now
that worked for them in different ways, For one thing,
I think a lot of people had a negative opinion
of JD. Vance because he is now aligned with Donald Trump,
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and they're going to jump to a conclusion about what
kind of a person would team up with Donald Trump
on a presidential ticket. But also Tim Walls, Yeah, he's gregarious,
he's embulent. I'm not even no sure I'm using that
word right. But he lacked some substance. It seemed on
some of the answers that he gave last night, it
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wasn't full of personal attacks. In fact, it seemed like
JD and Tim were going to go out and have
a beer afterwards.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
But after all of that, after.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Ninety minutes, it wasn't even necessarily a big win for
either side. Here's an example JD. Vance referring to the
governor as Tim, even though that's the first time they've
ever met.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Apparently, Tim, I think you got a tough job here
because you've got to play whack a mole. You've got
to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay,
which of course he did. You've got to pretend that
Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
And then you simultaneously got defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic
record which has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair
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American citizens.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
There were a couple of different times when Tim Walls
had good lines, good shots towards JD. Vance Basically, Okay, well,
then defend your boss if you want to call them that,
defend your running mates record on insert name of this.
There things got a little awkward, and I felt let
down by the discussion when it came to abortion specifically,
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because they want to argue the outskirts of that issue.
They want to argue the partial birth abortion, the nine
month thing, the six weeks, six week abortion ban, and
things like that. All of those issues are fringe issues.
Not that they're not important, don't mishear me. Those are
important when you talk about it. But the general ideas
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of what is abortion and whether you want to fight
to keep the right to abortion or you want to
fight against it, make it rare or make it illegal,
whichever wherever you come down on it, those issues need
to be agreed upon in the beginning. I mean basically
the terms of what you're going to argue about. And
I thought JD Vance had an opportunity to a missed
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opportunity to say. I mean he referred to women in
his life who have had abortions in the past, and
I mean very clearly referenced to whoever he was talking
about and said, I love you.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Go on.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
He said that there would be a time when abortion,
or I should say, there are places where abortion is
going to be illegal, because that's how the states decide things.
And as messy as democracy is, that's what this grand
experiment is of having multiple states, multiple opportunities to come
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up with rules and laws, and if they work, they'll
work across the country. The thing that he didn't say
was I don't want anybody to have an abortion based
on economics. It felt like there was a missed opportunity.
He was getting to it and then kind of shied
away from it. I don't want any mother or family
to feel like they can't afford to have a child
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and that that would be the main reason why they
would abort their fetus. He had an opportunity to say that,
and he didn't. They got caught up in the specifics
of the the text of the law in Minnesota that apparently,
according to the fact checks that I've seen this morning.
Jade Vance was a whole lot closer to the truth
than was Tim Walls. But those are the issues that
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get figured out as we go through and deal with
it a bit later. There's an interesting piece in the
opinion piece pieces, I guess you could say, in the
New York Times today and they asked thirteen of their
opinion writers to basically grade the debate last night. Again
this is the New York Time Times. Nine of their
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writers said that jd. Vance won the debate last night
for a couple of different reasons. They talked about his
familiarity with the different issues that he was talking about,
his ability to make Donald Trump likable in their words.
In fact, one of them said, he made trump Ism
sound polite, calm, and coherent. Jd Vance not only one
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last night in terms of the debate, in that he
was able to prove those policies that Donald Trump cannot
articulate can be articulated by somebody calmly, without personal attacks,
someone using complete sentences. That's what he was able to
prove last night, and that's why he came across as likable.
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JD Vance went into the debate last night with the
lowest likability rating of all the four people on those
top of the tickets, But he came away so much
more likable.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I know the eyeliner jokes are out there.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
My daughter even asked me this morning why these two
guys on stage last night had better eyeliner than she's
ever had in her twenty two years of life.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I didn't have an answer for that.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But when we come back, I want to go through
a little bit about this, including who won the debate
according to the New York Times. It might surprise you,
but even the people who say the jd Vance won
the debate had a hard time giving him full credit
for winning that debate. That and then the two major
major problems that both candidates had. I should say they
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each had one major problem that could have been avoidable. Well,
we continue to talk about what happened last night in
the vice presidential debate between JD.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Vance and Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mentioned a couple of things in terms of the
big missteps I thought that both of them had, But
in terms of the general opinion, it appears that jd
Vance was basically the winner life last night. Joining us
now from DC is the Bureau chief Mike Vikara for
News Nation, and Mike.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I was most interested to see. There's an opinion piece in.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
The New York Times today where nine of their thirteen
writers gave JD.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Vance the win.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Many of them qualified that with other you know, they
said that he couldn't tell the truth, but they did
say that jd Vance won last night. What is the
prevailing opinion about how things went?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
And Gary, It's a funny question because folks like me
and others that write for the New York Times, I
think it's been demonstrated that we don't necessarily have the
pulse on the average Trump voter, or any voter for
that matter, and so it's always difficult to tell the
criteria by which we judge these things. Watching and listening
to political rhetorics for a living, it's maybe different than
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the average voter who maybe just getting to know JD. Vance,
Senator from Ohio and Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota.
But having said all that, I would say, as someone
who listens to political rhetoric for a living, I thought JD.
Vans acquitted himself fairly well. He was smooth, He's sanded
down the rough edges and some of the more controversial
statements that he's made leading up to this since his
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nomination in July as the vice presidential candidate for the Republicans.
You know, there was no talk as cat ladies. There
was no talk well, there was a little bit of
talk of Springfield, Ohio, but there was no fabricating of stories.
There was a very reasoned and measured JD vance, which
you know, came off relatively well. And it's something that
everybody says they want to see the overall tone of
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the debate being relatively civil, and that's something that folks
have often said for I guess decades now that they
want them to see more civility and politics. Whether that
translates into actually motivating viewers as another thing, and whether
that translates into whatever jdvans edge JD vance is perceived
to have over the self described knucklehead Tim Walls that
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you know, it remains be seen whether that's going to
translate into moving the needle at all in terms of
voting come November fifth.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We spoke with one of your colleagues yesterday regarding the
importance of the debate last night, because it appears that
it's this is the last debate for the tickets that
we'll see leading up to election day.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Did they deliver?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean, did do you think that they did justice
to their respective parties and their respective tickets?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I think they did. I mean I don't think by
any objective standard, I do think that Governor Rowles had
a difficult launch. There at the beginning of the date,
the beginning of the debate, there was a question about
foreign policy. Obviously, news of the day with the horrifying
and just certain pictures of the violence in the Middle
East and the rocket launches, some two hundred missiles launched
towards Israel from Iran itself. He seemed to stumble somewhat.
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He seemed to be visibly nervous. It was interesting because
you know, they were setting the expectation bar so low
in the hours leading up, were Democrats and saying that
he was going to be nervous. Many of us dismissed
that it's sort of playing the expectation game. But I
thought he was evidently nervous and a little bit halting
at the beginning, hitting a stride later in debate. The debate,
no question, but each man showing respect for the other's opinion,
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and so it was unusual in that respect. Again, whether
it move the needle or not, I tend to doubt it.
I mean, this is a vice presidential debate, and as
soon as we hear again from President Trump or the
next big moment or viral moment in the campaign. You
mentioned the fact that President Biden was getting on the
point out of Andrews near Washington here to head down
to North Carolina. The Vice president is going to be
(15:38):
in Georgia in Augusta, Georgia later today as well, surveying
storm damage. President Trump, former President Trump in Texas, fundraising
in Midland and Houston, and Jade Vance has a stop
in Michigan as well. So oh, and I forgot to
mention Tim Walls. It was actually on a bus trip
in Pennsylvania that was originally intended for the vice president,
but because of the urgency of situation in the Southeast,
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she's heading that way. So whether or not this moves
the needle, there's so much more debating, I mean virtual debating.
I should say they're not going to be on the
same stage. It would appear at this point. Whether that
last night moved the needle or not, I think it
just sort of cemented the status quo.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
To be honest with.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You, I like your term.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
The Jdvance was able to sand down the rough edges
of some of the things that he said. I also
got the impression that he was able to articulate some
of the policies using complete sentences that former President Trump
does have a hard time doing. He gets distracted, he
gets into personal attacks.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Well, that's so interesting, right, because we often hear that
this is going to be the new Donald Trump. We
heard that in Milwaukee. I was there at the convention
where he was going to be much more measured, stick
to the issues, you know, a healthy measure of skepticism
from those of us who've been watching him in these
last eight years when we heard that. But at the
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convention he was somewhat more measured, somewhat less vitriolic. That's
all gone on out the window, of course, and most
recently we heard the former president try to tell us
that the vice president is mentally impaired. There's something wrong
with she was born that way. You know, the kind
of personal attacks that MAGA voters seem to enjoy or
eat up anyway, because they like it when the former
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president of the Stock and Trades sticks a thumb in
the eye at conventional wisdom and the Deep States quote
unquote that he likes to rail against and his supporters
like to hear him rail against. So yeah, JD. Vance
was measured. He did not sort of create any viral
moments that would sort of rival the attentions that anybody
pays to Donald Trump, which may have been another success
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that we hear often from Trump voters and that JD.
Evance needs to keep his head down and not overshadow
his boss. And I think he probably was successful in
that last night. You know, Tim Walls again nervous his
answer to his Tianon and Square where he was at
the moment the pro democracy chesters were in Tianam and
Square in late eighties. You know, he was off by
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several months. He said he made a mistake. You know,
he misrepresented where he was at that moment. He wasn't
in China. He was actually in Hong Kong, which at
the time was not part of the communist China. So
you know, there were a couple of stumbles by Tim Walls,
but I think overall he did hit his stride in
the second half of the debate.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, I was a little surprised that the word cats
never came up. I know, they kind of danced around
it with Springfield, Ohio, and the words task hardly never
came up. They didn't talk at all about the dock
workers strike on the East coast the port.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Yeah, amazing, you know, and you know, obviously the longer
this goes on, we know all about the supply chain issues,
having just lived through the pandemic that really are coming
into play here, and how much money can be lost
in the economy and how businesses are going to suffer
not having a supplies as we hit into the holiday season.
That's obviously an urgent issue. It's in its second day now.
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We have a reporter standing by at the Port of
Baltimore at the picket line there. But this is all
up and down the East coast along the Gulf as well,
obviously an urgent issue. Yeah, I'm surprised that it didn't
come up.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
All right, Hey, great stuff, Mike, thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
It, all right, Thanks Gary.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Mike Vicarera again DC Bureau chief there for News Nation.
One more little segment on what's going on with the debate,
because there were two things I wanted to point out
that the negatives for both of these guys, they both
had an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Mike referred to one of them.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
They're the TN and Men's square answer that Tim Walls
kind of stumbled his way through, but also the non
answer that jd. Vance gave when it came to January sixth,
and then my wife's reaction till last night. It's fun.
I love her, She's fun. It's fun to be around.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Fernando is in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Fernando Valenzuela has been a part of the Spanish language
broadcast for the Dodgers for quite a while, but he
stepped away from his play calling duties last week, but
they didn't say why.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Now they're saying that he is in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But the family's been pretty quiet about exactly what is
going on, so we'll keep an eye on that story.
Israel's defense system stood pretty firm.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Iran unleashed a barrage of nearly two hundred missiles across Israel,
and most of them ballistic weapons. That makes intercepting them
kind of a challenge, but at this point, still no
reports of fatalities within Israel. Israel has said that they
will retaliate of course, the Iranians have said they'll retaliate
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for the retaliation if it gets to that, so we
will have an update. We'll do updates at the top
of the hour, by the way, regarding what's going on
with Hurricane Helen, because we know the President vice President
are going to be down in that area is viewing
some of the destruction that we saw. So more on
just to kind of wrap up what we saw in
the debate last night between jd Vance and Tim Walls.
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I said before, I believe that jd Vance did better
for himself in that debate. He was able to, as
Mike Vikara put it, sand down the rough edges of
things that he has said in the past, across as
very likable, very thoughtful. Yes, he used the line multiple
times that he was born in the middle class, and
I don't know if it was a shot at Kamala
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Harris or not, but it worked. There were a couple
of things that he did though, that I thought he
should have unleashed a little bit more often. In his
closing statement, jd Vance used this line that I think
has to be used over and over and over again
against Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Now I've been in politics long enough to do what
Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people
and says that on day one, she's going to work
on all these challenges I just listed. She's been the
vice president for three and a half years. Day one
was fourteen hundred days ago, and her policies have made
these problems worse.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Not necessarily a mic drop moment, but definitely an important
message that he and Donald Trump can use in terms
of his bad moment, though it came when they were
discussing January sixth, they were discussed election integrity. They were
discussing the results of the twenty twenty election, and Tim
Walls had a moment where he was going to force
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jd Vance to say that Trump lost that election?
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Did he lose the twenty twenty election?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
twenty twenty COVID situation?
Speaker 7 (22:22):
That is a damning non answer.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Now, it's a point that jd. Vance brought up censorship
multiple times. I in the business I'm in am very
passionate about censorship and the importance of the ability for
people to debate issues and the ability to freely debate issues.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
That was the wrong That was the wrong foil.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That was the wrong way to deflect by suggesting that
censorship was as big an issue as January sixth, so
as much as a negative as that was for JD.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Vance. Tim Walls tripped over his own.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Shoelaces left and right when he was confronted with his
story about being in Hong Kong during the Tieneman Square
protests in China.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
the deadly Tianamen Square protests in the spring of nineteen
eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Yeah, well, and the folks out there, it didn't get
at the top of this. Look.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
I grew up in small, rural Nebraska town of four
hundred town that you rode your bike with your buddy
still the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked on family farms,
and then I used the GI bill to become a teacher.
Passion about it. A young teacher my first year out,
I got the opportunity in the summer of eighty nine
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to travel to China thirty five years ago.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Be able to do that, I came back home.
Speaker 9 (23:56):
And then started a program to take young people there.
We would take basket ball teams, we would take baseball teams.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Again, he gets into this and he never actually explains, Okay,
but you said you were there. It's an easy thing
to say, and politicians are so unable to simply say, listen,
that was a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I blew it.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I screwed it up. I didn't mean to. There's no
ill will, but I just screwed up. And he could
not say it.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Can you explain?
Speaker 9 (24:24):
They all I said on this was is I got
there that summer and misspoke on this.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
So I will just that's what I've said.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
So I was in They just stop talking.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest. No, just
just say that's what I've said.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's what you just say. I just misspoke and then leave.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
It on this. So I will just that's what I've said.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He had an opportunity to just appear even more human.
I thought he came across very human. I mean, the
guy does seem like got a central casting, a football coach,
and a teacher, and the guy that you would go
to with your after school special problems, whatever it was.
But just drop the political aspect of answering a question
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and just get into it. Jady Vance fell into that
same trap when he couldn't answer whether or not Donald
Trump won or lost the election in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
They both fell into it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So in general, again I'll say this again that I
think jad Vance was the winner. The New York Times
agrees with me, if you can believe that they ask
thirteen of their columnists and contributors to assess who won
and who lost. And I just want to give you
a taste of this. And again, this is the New
York Times, who you would assume would not give JD.
(25:43):
Vance the time of day. A couple of them didn't.
But Benjamine Applebaum said JD. Vance was more effective in
presenting a version of his party's ticket that might broaden
its appeal. Said he made trump Ism sound polite, calm,
and coherent. John USh Borrow said Vance was far nimbler
than the nervous Tim Walls, especially in the first half
(26:06):
of the debate. Charles Blow, a columnist, he outright said
that Tim Walls won, that he clearly did his homework.
Anyone afraid that Vance would roll over him could breathe easily.
Vance seemed not to have been told to come across
as a condescending valedictorian, or sorry, has had been told
not to come across as a condescending valedictorian. Jammel Bowie,
(26:28):
a columnist for The Times, wrote it this way, It's
a pretty straightforward verdict. Vance won this debate. It's not
hard to see why. But in the next sentence wrote,
he has no regard for the truth. He lies as
easily as he breathes. Jane Coston, a contributing writer, Vance
seemed smoother and more practiced, but one would be a
(26:51):
very strong term here. Another one calling it a draw
because Waltz was so bad in much of his delivery.
Vance was much more forceful speaker. Another one for Vance.
It was a commanding performance for Walls a nervous ramble.
Matt Labash, author of a newsletter called slack Tide. Nobody dominated,
but I am going to give the light a slight
(27:11):
edge to Walls. Specifically because of the January sixth answer,
another one Vance won compared with the candidates for the
presidential debates. Both vice presidential candidates performed admirably, And it
goes on and on again. The vast majority of those
thirteen columnists and opinion writers for The New York Times
(27:31):
suggested that it was JD.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Vance that won.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
My wife also said this, and this was echoed by
a lot of people I saw on social media that
going into it, there was an expectation that JD. Vance
was an unlikable person, an unlikable character, an unlikable politician.
But seeing that performance last night made him much more likable.
He seen down to earth. He wasn't arrogant, he wasn't boastful,
(27:55):
he wasn't bombastic the way that his running mate is.
And he refered to Tim Walls multiple times as Tim.
He honored him by calling him governor a couple of times,
but also got down to that folksy level and just
called him Tim. They mentioned off and on both of them, Hey,
we agree on a lot of this stuff. There is
some commonality in the things that we believe in, and
(28:18):
that I think was endearing on both of the candidate's parts,
and then at the end, Oosha Vance comes walking out
and my wife says, who's that Hatzie Dotsie, And I said,
I don't objectify women that way.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
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