November 6, 2024 • 25 mins
KFI’s Steve Gregory joins the show to talk about Nathan Hochman beating out incumbent George Gascon in the LA County DA race. KFI’s Michael Monks comes on the show to talk about Prop 36 and La County Measures that passed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Well, the George Gascon experiment did
not work. Gave him four years to play it out
with his hopey, changey, lovey dovey tickle time stuff, and
it turns out we actually do need law and order
in LA County.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Who would have thunk, well, we all thunk.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Steve Gregory was with Nathan Hawkman, who now takes over
the seat of District Attorney of Los Angeles County and Steve,
I guess I didn't spend a whole hell of a
lot of time learning about Nathan Hawkman because it was
like anybody but Gascon for me.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
But what was his what was his deal last night?
What was his speech about? What is his vision?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, you know, I hadn't been following the race too
closely because you know, I was working on other stuff
and I so when I got put into this assignment,
I had to really get up to speed quickly on
who Hawkman is. I already knew about Gascon, having covered
him for almost four years, and I didn't I didn't
know a lot about him. Till last night, which was
interesting about his centrist views. And I didn't realize he
(01:05):
was both prosecutor and defense attorney, which I thought was
an interesting perspective. So he gave us a little bit
of time in the four o'clock hour yesterday, which was
also unusual because candidates typically never talked to you until
after their speech, or you're only going to get the speech.
And it was significant in Beverly Hills last night because
he was born and raised there and he went to
high school in Beverly Hills, and talking to him, we
(01:28):
were asking him a lot of pretty hard questions like
put your view on death penalty and are you going
to charge juveniles who commit heinous crimes?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Are you going to charge him as adults? And whatever?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But the sense that I got from him is that
he said, blanket policies are lazy.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, policy they are.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
He's right, you got to take these things case by
case exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
He says, we are talking about individuals here, both victims
and suspects. And he said every because I asked him,
he said, what about death penalty? He says, absolutely, it's there.
But he said, I'm not going to blanketly say because
you killed so and so you're ontomatically getting the death penalty.
I want to look at each case individually. That's what
we owe both the victim and the suspect due process.
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But the one thing that I thought was most interesting
is about the resumption of the das being able to
accompany victims of crime parrole here. In fact, I last
night there was about seven hundred people there. Close to
seven hundred. You could not swing a stick in that
crowd and not hit a current prosecutor. I was baffled
(02:33):
because I wanted to did some MOS, and you know
how I hate to do MOS, which stands for main
on the street interview. Would you walk up and go,
I'm Steve with K It's exactly And I said, of
course you did, And I said, I go, I'm well,
the only reason I did is because they were all there.
I didn't have to go look in.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So just go to a gas station and get a captain.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Body, right or Starbucks was always the place, was already
there anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So I literally walked up to the first little cluster
of people and I said, hey, joke.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Oh no, dirty lady, joke, dirty lady lady shook in
a gas station I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Have you never seen dirty ladies at a gas station?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
You guys hang out the wrong neighborhoods truck stops where
I digress.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Anyway, So I walked up to this cluster group of
people and I said, Hey, I'm Steve Gregor with KFI.
What brings you here tonight? And that's you just open
into question. And this first person r name was Grace,
and she said, well, I work for the DA and
I did this, and I'm a prosecutor and we got
into the job to help people and we haven't been
able to help people. And it's just like, oh, and
it's like you're currently and she goes, yeah, I was.
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I talked to the guy named Troy or Todd rather,
and I said what brings you here? And he says, well,
I did this, and I was in this elite prosecution unit.
And then I got bumped down because I refused to
bend the law. I refused to play.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
A retaliation that went on, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
And then the then the one lady I spoke to,
it's been there thirty years and she was in charge
of the pro unit and then she got they disbanded
the unit. So I really struck Gold in the first
few minutes of doing this MOS and I couldn't believe
the vitriol. And then law enforcement first responders and police all, well, you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Sign up as a DA to put the bad guys away,
and if you're not able to put the bad guys away,
you feel handcuffed. You feel like you're not making a
difference that you signed up to make.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Remember, Gascone sort of got into this office because of
a national movement, much like how Hawkman got into office
because of a national movement. When you think about how
Gascone was sort of writing that big wave of judicial reform,
police reform coming off the heels of the George Floyd.
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He along with other progressive das, they made it into Boston,
into Philadelphia, into Chicago. They were all ultra progressive das
that got into these offices because of that national movement.
Now this pendulum has swinging the other direction. Now you've
got all of this very very focused anti crime movement
wave and that's why you're now are getting tough on crime.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
DA's back in office.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Did I I was listening to Orange County DA Todd
Spitzer was talking to handle today and he was saying
that the the DA in Alameda County was recalled yesterday
as part of a part of this back that pendulum
swinging back.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The other one was a bigger horror handle or todd spitzer.
That's a real dang dong, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Wait, well, you mean when you say bigger horror, media
orr or horror, Well, be careful.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's because I was going back.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I was going back to the lot lizard thing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Lot lizard? Is this a thing that women prostitutes hang
out at truck stops?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Truck stops?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
A lot lizards there? A lot They were called lot lizards. Yeah,
because that's how you know some some prostitutes.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Truckers are prostitute ladies of the stations.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Some prostitutes work first and main. Others work the truck stop.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Every truck driver that we have in our gas family
would not do that, right, those guys that honk for us,
I don't think that they would do that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I have no I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Also, I have another question about truck stops, but I
can't say it publicly.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, let's take a break. Steve Gregory is still here
for some reason.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Do you know everyone out there listen, you heard me
say do you want me to stay?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And you're like, yes, well, I wanted you to stay
to field my question about the truck stop.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Right, And you found some of your answers during the break. Yeah,
multiple answers, multiple answers visually and textually.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
We are we were talking originally with Steve about the
Ella County DA's race between incumbent George Gascon and former
federal prosecutor Nathan Hackman. One of the big splashes that
Gascone made, of course, was his first day on the
job series of these directives that he had done, and
that I mean, that was clearly one of the pieces
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one of the planks of Hawkman's platform was we got
to get rid of that. We got day one, got
rid of get rid of his day one day.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And were some of these things retroactive and resulted in
re sentencings.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, it was very aggressive on day one, and I
remember covering that as well. I remember also the very
first zoom call we had are his very first media
zoom call after having been sworn in. And one of
the things I have to tell you that from a
professional standpoint, I had the question and I should have
pulled the audio because I saved it when I said,
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mister Gascon, Steve Gregory with KFI, what is your plan
for transparency and access for the media, Because I said,
that's an important part of you know, accountability and whatnot.
He goes, no, he says, I really support the media
promote transparency, and he went on and on.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I said, great, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And when on he ended up that office ended up
becoming the worst for transparency media access. There in the
thing with I was talking about with Hawkman last night,
I asked him the same question. I said, you haven't
declared the winner yet, but you're the presumptive winner. What
you're planning for transparency, same thing, media access and whatnot.
But I will tell you that's the one thing I'm
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looking forward to as a reporter this office, because you know,
I ran into last night Ricardo greg Recently I ran
into the old press group that got fired under Gascon.
They were all there helping Hawkman. So presumably all the
older media folks are going to be back in that,
the ones that actually know how to deal with the media,
that take them an Indo's Brother case, for instance. I
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don't think people realize that that entire press conference, the
very first press conference, there were only three media outlets notified.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, they only they pick and choose. They've cherry picked
which outlets could report on him.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, because he didn't. They didn't want him facing any
hard questions about the campaign or anything. And that's kind
of a unique thing.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Also in terms of politicians the offices that need you
need to be elected to DA here sheriff that you
can have employees who didn't vote for you and you
are their boss, and then I mean you run into
the situation like you did last night, where there's a
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lot of current and former DA's Office employees who are
supporting Nathan Hackman to unseat their current boss.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's very awkward. I don't think I ever recalled being
in a situation. I've seen so many current employees lobbying
against their current boss. It was really really interesting. But again,
the thing that I'm looking forward to the most with
Hawkman is the access, of course, because it's always good
to be able to.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Have actions looking forward, So putting bad people in prison again,
I don't care about the media and access.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Well, I understand that, Shannon, but I have to look
at it differently too. You know, I have to look
at how I could do my county.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Steve.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yes, I do live in La County. But geez, sorry,
you're mad at me? Where are you mad at me?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I think it's because of what you found out during
the break. She's gonna have to wash her eyes out.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, just a quick update on that fire in Ventura County,
the Mountain Fire. The Ventura County Fire Department has says
there is now an immediate threat to life. Law enforcement
has ordered the evacuation of Walnut Avenue all the way
to Balcom Canyon Road and North Highway one to eighteen
to the ridgeline west to Sataquoi Country Club.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So that fire burning.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
And the winds in that area is whipping down that
Santa Paula Valley that that won twenty six probably fifty
miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is keeping an eye on the stock market as well.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Big day speaking a fire that following that win by Trump,
Tesla's stock spiked by fifteen percent, which means Elon Musk's
net worth sword by a reported fifteen billion dollars this morning.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
And he didn't even have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, I think the interesting dynamic with this is Elon Musk.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I think that's gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Be an interesting relationship.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I think that's going to be interesting to see because
you know, Tesla Shares went up today too. But did
you hear the speech last night? Because I heard it
driving back from Hawkman's thing, because I speech or Trump's both,
I didn't hear Elon. Yeah, Trump spoke last night and
Dana White, h Dana White was there. Yeah, I thought
that was interesting. Trump just kind of kind of veered
(11:39):
off into something about space. I thought that was funny,
but he does it was beautiful space.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Are you just gonna stay here all day? Do you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I miss this? Are you coming to News and Bruise
on Friday? Sadly? No?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Why I have a show to tape. That's what's been
consuming all my time?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Come on, Oh God, who cares what the kids have
to say?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Do it a vacation?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Come to news and I did the other day Jake
and I and Richie we went out and taped at
Los Angeles Valley College.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Well that sounds like a blast.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, go to Lucian.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Are both college students? You guys were both college journalist.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I knew enough to know that I didn't know anything.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, I'd rather go to a brewery to retape the
show than sit at my city.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
This is precisely the kind of hate that Donald Trump
says he doesn't want. This is discourse that Donald takes
against people have no idea what.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You looks like.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Republicans will have at least fifty two seats in the Senate.
The House is as of yet undecided, but cook political
report now indicates that Republicans will likely hold the House.
They saw the losses on the campaign trail for Democrats continue.
Tim Sheehy defeated Democratic Senator John Tester, and Montana representatives
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Susan Wilde and Matt Cartwright conceded to their Republican challengers.
You had Derek Van Orden out of Wisconsin, Kevin Kylie
and northern California, John James and Michigan, Ryan Zinki and Montana.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
All of those Republicans won reelection.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That fire is driven by the winds there in Malibu
Bluff's Park.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They're saying to avoid the area.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Obviously, at least one home has burned there, and there
is fire damage across really all of southern California. Goss
of up to one hundred miles per hour predicted for
the San Gabriels and mountains there, and it's not over yet.
In fact, the worst winds are supposed to happen early afternoon.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, right now.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
There's also a fire burning in the moor Park area
making its way towards camer Rio. It's called the Mountain
fired about. They're saying probably about one thousand acres, mostly
through wildland, but it is starting to get into some
of the orchards and farmlands that are in that area.
Incident Command has asked for a hard closure on the
one to eighteen between Well to Grimes Canyon, all access
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to arteries that feed into the one eighteen so that
emergency vehicles and evacuations can get in. Their additional strike
teams were requested earlier. They also said that because the
winds have been so heavy so fast in some of
those areas that the fixed wing aircraft are not available
to fly, that they're using helicopters only right now.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Prop thirty six will toughen penalties for some drug offenses
and thefts, rolling back some of the damage that Prop
forty seven did when it reduced felonies to misdemeanors and
made it essentially a slap on the wrist if you
steal under nine hundred and fifty dollars worth of stuff.
So we overwhelmingly voted in favor to roll back those policies.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Joining us now Michael Monks, covering the story for us
throughout the day yesterday, Michael, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Hey, good morning from downtown La Goe to talk to
you all again. Seventy percent yes on thirty six just
under thirty percent voting against that right now now, And
we should note even here in La County, voters went
in favor of this thing by about two thirds, sixty
six percent voting in favor of at thirty four percent
voting no. So as far as nail biers go on
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election night, this was not one of them.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
It is remarkable to me that this happened in California.
I mean, I know everyone's fed up. I mean I'm
fed up, but I am still surprised that that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Such a blue state was so tough on crime this
time around.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
It's it's interesting to note that, you know, socially, there
appear to be some contradictions with this voter. As you note,
there there are obviously some crossover voters who said yes
on thirty six but had to have statistically voted for
Kamala Harris for president and Adam Schiff for the US Senate.
And you know, Democrats tend to face charges that they're
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softer on crime. So in spite of those charges, people
cast ballots for those two candidates and also said let's
be tougher on crime. But there are other contradictions, maybe
going even more extreme. I'm talking about Isabelle Herado, the
city council candidate here in downtown LA and the eastern
neighborhoods who is backed by the Democratic Socialist and made
headlines in recent weeks for saying, f the police. She's
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winning over incumbent councilman Kennedy Leon.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
That is the one that when I heard you say
that today, that blew me away.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Yeah, And here we are in a climate where voters
are clearly saying we're not being hard enough on criminality
and then casting a ballot for somebody who says we
need to be literally softer on crime. But it does, align,
of course with what you were just talking about with
my pal Steve Gregory, does align pretty well with the
DA race. So there is a theme emerging that, in
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spite of where people might fall on other political issues,
it's clear that across California, and specifically here in La County,
people don't like what they see.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Back to Prop thirty six, I was looking at the
Secretary of State's website in terms of election results, and
you pointed out even La County as a county, voted
in favor of Prop thirty six. There's not one county
in the state of California. And this is the first
time I think I've ever seen this. There's not one
county in the state of California that voted against Prop
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thirty six. Wow, NLA County wasn't too out of sorts
with how it typically votes on other issues. So when
we look at some of the other state propositions raising
the minimum wage that's losing in the statewide count right now,
LA County has so far voted to support that.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But it is also interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
To note that that La County did vote the way
the rest of the state is voting on giving rent
control power to the city's more control over rent increases
to cities. LA County said no to that, So that's
a little bit strange. But this may signal a pendulum
swing in another direction, as we just heard Steve Gregory
state with you all just a bit earlier, that people
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are moving away from that reaction to the racial justice
movement of twenty seven. It looks like Prop thirty six
basically lived alone on the ballot because people, presumably they're
tired of seeing video after video of widespread theft from
retail establishments where thieves make off with impunity, and people
are tired of feeling like they have to go through
TSA just to buy some deodor in at CVS.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I've actually had to repit it at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh yeah, you just some broad dog those.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I have.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And it's been odd to me, but it's crossover from
stuff we report on to my real life. There have
been a couple of times where I've said to my
or I've had the thought like, ah, I don't want
to go to the mall, like you know what, and
the odds are so small that you're going to go
to the mall and that's going to be when the
smash and grab robberies happened. But it became so pervasive
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it was actually a thought in my head.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
A couple of times you have.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
No choice but to consider it when you live in
a place where every corner of the county has experienced that,
and they're so egregious. You know, a smash and grab
robbery of a convenience store could happen anywhere, Yeah, but
to happen with it's a volume that they happen here
and other assorted crimes related to that. It just lives
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in your system. And so now what we have to do,
as Angelino's is to wait and see about the impact
of some of the choices that were made a new
DA who wants to be tougher on crime and this
new tough on crime state mandate. How and when do
we measure the success of those things? And it will
also be interesting, I think, to pay attention to what
I'm usually paying attention to. For Kfi City Council, LA
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County government, how do they respond to the messages from
voters on this issue, Because this is a city that
admits it's not yet logistically close to being ready for
the twenty twenty eight Olympics, but also even a blind
person can see it's not esthetically ready for it. So
how are they going to respond to this message? And
will it trickle down to other areas of policy.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Good point. Your voice is very soothing, Michael.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I appreciate that any too.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I was able to get some toothpaste at the CBS
after going through TSA.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
He sends me out, thanks. Michael. Monks there covering the
local stuff for us.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Harris has called Trump to congratulate him on his election victory.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Yeah, we know that she is expected to give a
speech of some kind, concession speech.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
It sounds like.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
At about one o'clock today our time, she will be
speaking at Howard University, where the campaign held their election
night party last night.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
But she didn't.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
She didn't issue any sort of statement last night. She
didn't address the people that had shown up to the
party last night. That seemed like just an odd decision,
odd choice to not even come out and say hey,
great fight, we're still in this or anything.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
She didn't say anything.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It shows a bit of a disconnect.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The AID that reported on this call said that Kamala
Harris discussed the importance of a peaceful transfer of power
with Trump ahead of her planned concession speech this afternoon.
President Biden is set to make some remarks to the
country at some point today. The hell that's going to
sound like. I still think that there's a possibility that
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he hands it over to Kamala Harris puts a little
cherry on his career as a lifelong Democrat by stepping
aside and appointing a black female as President of the
United States for the last couple months. I don't see
that that's what happens in the movie.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Okay, So in the movie that you're writing in your head.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right, well, you're writing Space Wars. That's my first priority.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well this would be the second one. This would be
White House Wars something like.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, in my in my movie, Biden's actually no longer
with us?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Really? Yeah, So then who's going to make the speech today?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's going to be the ending of the movie that
you're going to have to pay nineteen ninety nine to
go see.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Now, Yeah, we are following.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I figure most people will entered on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Oh well in that case, yes, the ninety nine makes sense.
I was going to go to the movie theater that
won't exist when that one comes out. Now, there are
a couple of fires that we are following. One of
them is called the Broad Fire. It's down near Malibu.
It started Malibu Bluff's Malibu Bluff, Am I saying that
Malibu Bluff Park. You're okay, okay, it sounded funny.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you smell toast.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
The fire is, they said, several dozen acres right now,
mostly contained to the park itself, but some fire did
jump pch and damaged at least one of the homes
that's right there along the waterfront. The other fire, the
one that's bigger and potentially more dangerous, is the one
that is burning in near Moore Park. They have set
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up evacuation centers. This is called the Mountain Fire, and
it's at about one thousand acres. They wanted a hard
closure on the one eighteen between Wells to Grimes Canyon.
There are a bunch of different ranches, farms, etc. Out
there and some homes, a lot of horse properties, et cetera.
So they have been at least given the warning to
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get out if they haven't already seen and smelled the
smoke or have flames on their properties already. So those
are really the main areas that people are kind of
keeping their eyes on today. As you said, this is
going to be a significant wind event, one that we
haven't seen for quite a while here in southern California,
And of course it's the bad kind. It's the kind
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where the wind is blowing offshore tends to be a
warmer wind. It's been very, very dry in the last
several weeks, with just tiny traces of rainfall for the
most part. So everything out there is getting ready to burn,
and this wind is going to make it that much worse.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Would you like your Jeopardy question? Air travel for one
thousand dollars four years. A sign painted on a roof
in this Wisconsin city. He said, welcome to Cleveland to
prank airline passengers.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I was in Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Huh, yeah, well it's one of two cities.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
What is Green Bay? What is Madison?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Milwaukee?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Jeez, Louise, And now you've lost Wisconsin. I didn't have
any shot at you didn't get one county. Both Kamala
Harris and I lost Wisconsin. So yeah, I got zero counties.
I underperformed Biden.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Green Bay even have a significant airport.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I don't know. I've never been to Green Bay. You
make it sound like I have.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, why was that your first answer?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Because that's because of you, probably because of me. I
didn't think of Milwaukee. You've been listening to the Gary
and Shannon Show.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
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AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Well, the George Gascon experiment did
not work. Gave him four years to play it out
with his hopey, changey, lovey dovey tickle time stuff, and
it turns out we actually do need law and order
in LA County.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Who would have thunk, well, we all thunk.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Steve Gregory was with Nathan Hawkman, who now takes over
the seat of District Attorney of Los Angeles County and Steve,
I guess I didn't spend a whole hell of a
lot of time learning about Nathan Hawkman because it was
like anybody but Gascon for me.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
But what was his what was his deal last night?
What was his speech about? What is his vision?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, you know, I hadn't been following the race too
closely because you know, I was working on other stuff
and I so when I got put into this assignment,
I had to really get up to speed quickly on
who Hawkman is. I already knew about Gascon, having covered
him for almost four years, and I didn't I didn't
know a lot about him. Till last night, which was
interesting about his centrist views. And I didn't realize he
(01:05):
was both prosecutor and defense attorney, which I thought was
an interesting perspective. So he gave us a little bit
of time in the four o'clock hour yesterday, which was
also unusual because candidates typically never talked to you until
after their speech, or you're only going to get the speech.
And it was significant in Beverly Hills last night because
he was born and raised there and he went to
high school in Beverly Hills, and talking to him, we
(01:28):
were asking him a lot of pretty hard questions like
put your view on death penalty and are you going
to charge juveniles who commit heinous crimes?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Are you going to charge him as adults? And whatever?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But the sense that I got from him is that
he said, blanket policies are lazy.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, policy they are.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
He's right, you got to take these things case by
case exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
He says, we are talking about individuals here, both victims
and suspects. And he said every because I asked him,
he said, what about death penalty? He says, absolutely, it's there.
But he said, I'm not going to blanketly say because
you killed so and so you're ontomatically getting the death penalty.
I want to look at each case individually. That's what
we owe both the victim and the suspect due process.
(02:08):
But the one thing that I thought was most interesting
is about the resumption of the das being able to
accompany victims of crime parrole here. In fact, I last
night there was about seven hundred people there. Close to
seven hundred. You could not swing a stick in that
crowd and not hit a current prosecutor. I was baffled
(02:33):
because I wanted to did some MOS, and you know
how I hate to do MOS, which stands for main
on the street interview. Would you walk up and go,
I'm Steve with K It's exactly And I said, of
course you did, And I said, I go, I'm well,
the only reason I did is because they were all there.
I didn't have to go look in.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So just go to a gas station and get a captain.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Body, right or Starbucks was always the place, was already
there anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So I literally walked up to the first little cluster
of people and I said, hey, joke.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Oh no, dirty lady, joke, dirty lady lady shook in
a gas station I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Have you never seen dirty ladies at a gas station?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
You guys hang out the wrong neighborhoods truck stops where
I digress.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Anyway, So I walked up to this cluster group of
people and I said, Hey, I'm Steve Gregor with KFI.
What brings you here tonight? And that's you just open
into question. And this first person r name was Grace,
and she said, well, I work for the DA and
I did this, and I'm a prosecutor and we got
into the job to help people and we haven't been
able to help people. And it's just like, oh, and
it's like you're currently and she goes, yeah, I was.
(03:38):
I talked to the guy named Troy or Todd rather,
and I said what brings you here? And he says, well,
I did this, and I was in this elite prosecution unit.
And then I got bumped down because I refused to
bend the law. I refused to play.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
A retaliation that went on, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
And then the then the one lady I spoke to,
it's been there thirty years and she was in charge
of the pro unit and then she got they disbanded
the unit. So I really struck Gold in the first
few minutes of doing this MOS and I couldn't believe
the vitriol. And then law enforcement first responders and police all, well, you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Sign up as a DA to put the bad guys away,
and if you're not able to put the bad guys away,
you feel handcuffed. You feel like you're not making a
difference that you signed up to make.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Remember, Gascone sort of got into this office because of
a national movement, much like how Hawkman got into office
because of a national movement. When you think about how
Gascone was sort of writing that big wave of judicial reform,
police reform coming off the heels of the George Floyd.
(04:54):
He along with other progressive das, they made it into Boston,
into Philadelphia, into Chicago. They were all ultra progressive das
that got into these offices because of that national movement.
Now this pendulum has swinging the other direction. Now you've
got all of this very very focused anti crime movement
wave and that's why you're now are getting tough on crime.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
DA's back in office.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Did I I was listening to Orange County DA Todd
Spitzer was talking to handle today and he was saying
that the the DA in Alameda County was recalled yesterday
as part of a part of this back that pendulum
swinging back.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The other one was a bigger horror handle or todd spitzer.
That's a real dang dong, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Wait, well, you mean when you say bigger horror, media
orr or horror, Well, be careful.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's because I was going back.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I was going back to the lot lizard thing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Lot lizard? Is this a thing that women prostitutes hang
out at truck stops?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Truck stops?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
A lot lizards there? A lot They were called lot lizards. Yeah,
because that's how you know some some prostitutes.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Truckers are prostitute ladies of the stations.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Some prostitutes work first and main. Others work the truck stop.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Every truck driver that we have in our gas family
would not do that, right, those guys that honk for us,
I don't think that they would do that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I have no I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Also, I have another question about truck stops, but I
can't say it publicly.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, let's take a break. Steve Gregory is still here
for some reason.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Do you know everyone out there listen, you heard me
say do you want me to stay?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And you're like, yes, well, I wanted you to stay
to field my question about the truck stop.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Right, And you found some of your answers during the break. Yeah,
multiple answers, multiple answers visually and textually.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
We are we were talking originally with Steve about the
Ella County DA's race between incumbent George Gascon and former
federal prosecutor Nathan Hackman. One of the big splashes that
Gascone made, of course, was his first day on the
job series of these directives that he had done, and
that I mean, that was clearly one of the pieces
(07:13):
one of the planks of Hawkman's platform was we got
to get rid of that. We got day one, got
rid of get rid of his day one day.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And were some of these things retroactive and resulted in
re sentencings.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, it was very aggressive on day one, and I
remember covering that as well. I remember also the very
first zoom call we had are his very first media
zoom call after having been sworn in. And one of
the things I have to tell you that from a
professional standpoint, I had the question and I should have
pulled the audio because I saved it when I said,
(07:48):
mister Gascon, Steve Gregory with KFI, what is your plan
for transparency and access for the media, Because I said,
that's an important part of you know, accountability and whatnot.
He goes, no, he says, I really support the media
promote transparency, and he went on and on.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I said, great, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And when on he ended up that office ended up
becoming the worst for transparency media access. There in the
thing with I was talking about with Hawkman last night,
I asked him the same question. I said, you haven't
declared the winner yet, but you're the presumptive winner. What
you're planning for transparency, same thing, media access and whatnot.
But I will tell you that's the one thing I'm
(08:24):
looking forward to as a reporter this office, because you know,
I ran into last night Ricardo greg Recently I ran
into the old press group that got fired under Gascon.
They were all there helping Hawkman. So presumably all the
older media folks are going to be back in that,
the ones that actually know how to deal with the media,
that take them an Indo's Brother case, for instance. I
(08:47):
don't think people realize that that entire press conference, the
very first press conference, there were only three media outlets notified.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, they only they pick and choose. They've cherry picked
which outlets could report on him.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, because he didn't. They didn't want him facing any
hard questions about the campaign or anything. And that's kind
of a unique thing.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Also in terms of politicians the offices that need you
need to be elected to DA here sheriff that you
can have employees who didn't vote for you and you
are their boss, and then I mean you run into
the situation like you did last night, where there's a
(09:26):
lot of current and former DA's Office employees who are
supporting Nathan Hackman to unseat their current boss.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's very awkward. I don't think I ever recalled being
in a situation. I've seen so many current employees lobbying
against their current boss. It was really really interesting. But again,
the thing that I'm looking forward to the most with
Hawkman is the access, of course, because it's always good
to be able to.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Have actions looking forward, So putting bad people in prison again,
I don't care about the media and access.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Well, I understand that, Shannon, but I have to look
at it differently too. You know, I have to look
at how I could do my county.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Steve.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yes, I do live in La County. But geez, sorry,
you're mad at me? Where are you mad at me?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I think it's because of what you found out during
the break. She's gonna have to wash her eyes out.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, just a quick update on that fire in Ventura County,
the Mountain Fire. The Ventura County Fire Department has says
there is now an immediate threat to life. Law enforcement
has ordered the evacuation of Walnut Avenue all the way
to Balcom Canyon Road and North Highway one to eighteen
to the ridgeline west to Sataquoi Country Club.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So that fire burning.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
And the winds in that area is whipping down that
Santa Paula Valley that that won twenty six probably fifty
miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is keeping an eye on the stock market as well.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Big day speaking a fire that following that win by Trump,
Tesla's stock spiked by fifteen percent, which means Elon Musk's
net worth sword by a reported fifteen billion dollars this morning.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
And he didn't even have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, I think the interesting dynamic with this is Elon Musk.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I think that's gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Be an interesting relationship.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I think that's going to be interesting to see because
you know, Tesla Shares went up today too. But did
you hear the speech last night? Because I heard it
driving back from Hawkman's thing, because I speech or Trump's both,
I didn't hear Elon. Yeah, Trump spoke last night and
Dana White, h Dana White was there. Yeah, I thought
that was interesting. Trump just kind of kind of veered
(11:39):
off into something about space. I thought that was funny,
but he does it was beautiful space.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Are you just gonna stay here all day? Do you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I miss this? Are you coming to News and Bruise
on Friday? Sadly? No?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Why I have a show to tape. That's what's been
consuming all my time?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Come on, Oh God, who cares what the kids have
to say?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Do it a vacation?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Come to news and I did the other day Jake
and I and Richie we went out and taped at
Los Angeles Valley College.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Well that sounds like a blast.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, go to Lucian.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Are both college students? You guys were both college journalist.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And I knew enough to know that I didn't know anything.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, I'd rather go to a brewery to retape the
show than sit at my city.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
This is precisely the kind of hate that Donald Trump
says he doesn't want. This is discourse that Donald takes
against people have no idea what.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You looks like.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Republicans will have at least fifty two seats in the Senate.
The House is as of yet undecided, but cook political
report now indicates that Republicans will likely hold the House.
They saw the losses on the campaign trail for Democrats continue.
Tim Sheehy defeated Democratic Senator John Tester, and Montana representatives
(12:56):
Susan Wilde and Matt Cartwright conceded to their Republican challengers.
You had Derek Van Orden out of Wisconsin, Kevin Kylie
and northern California, John James and Michigan, Ryan Zinki and Montana.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
All of those Republicans won reelection.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That fire is driven by the winds there in Malibu
Bluff's Park.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They're saying to avoid the area.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Obviously, at least one home has burned there, and there
is fire damage across really all of southern California. Goss
of up to one hundred miles per hour predicted for
the San Gabriels and mountains there, and it's not over yet.
In fact, the worst winds are supposed to happen early afternoon.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, right now.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
There's also a fire burning in the moor Park area
making its way towards camer Rio. It's called the Mountain
fired about. They're saying probably about one thousand acres, mostly
through wildland, but it is starting to get into some
of the orchards and farmlands that are in that area.
Incident Command has asked for a hard closure on the
one to eighteen between Well to Grimes Canyon, all access
(14:02):
to arteries that feed into the one eighteen so that
emergency vehicles and evacuations can get in. Their additional strike
teams were requested earlier. They also said that because the
winds have been so heavy so fast in some of
those areas that the fixed wing aircraft are not available
to fly, that they're using helicopters only right now.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Prop thirty six will toughen penalties for some drug offenses
and thefts, rolling back some of the damage that Prop
forty seven did when it reduced felonies to misdemeanors and
made it essentially a slap on the wrist if you
steal under nine hundred and fifty dollars worth of stuff.
So we overwhelmingly voted in favor to roll back those policies.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Joining us now Michael Monks, covering the story for us
throughout the day yesterday, Michael, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Hey, good morning from downtown La Goe to talk to
you all again. Seventy percent yes on thirty six just
under thirty percent voting against that right now now, And
we should note even here in La County, voters went
in favor of this thing by about two thirds, sixty
six percent voting in favor of at thirty four percent
voting no. So as far as nail biers go on
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election night, this was not one of them.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
It is remarkable to me that this happened in California.
I mean, I know everyone's fed up. I mean I'm
fed up, but I am still surprised that that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Such a blue state was so tough on crime this
time around.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
It's it's interesting to note that, you know, socially, there
appear to be some contradictions with this voter. As you note,
there there are obviously some crossover voters who said yes
on thirty six but had to have statistically voted for
Kamala Harris for president and Adam Schiff for the US Senate.
And you know, Democrats tend to face charges that they're
(15:50):
softer on crime. So in spite of those charges, people
cast ballots for those two candidates and also said let's
be tougher on crime. But there are other contradictions, maybe
going even more extreme. I'm talking about Isabelle Herado, the
city council candidate here in downtown LA and the eastern
neighborhoods who is backed by the Democratic Socialist and made
headlines in recent weeks for saying, f the police. She's
(16:13):
winning over incumbent councilman Kennedy Leon.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
That is the one that when I heard you say
that today, that blew me away.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Yeah, And here we are in a climate where voters
are clearly saying we're not being hard enough on criminality
and then casting a ballot for somebody who says we
need to be literally softer on crime. But it does, align,
of course with what you were just talking about with
my pal Steve Gregory, does align pretty well with the
DA race. So there is a theme emerging that, in
(16:40):
spite of where people might fall on other political issues,
it's clear that across California, and specifically here in La County,
people don't like what they see.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Back to Prop thirty six, I was looking at the
Secretary of State's website in terms of election results, and
you pointed out even La County as a county, voted
in favor of Prop thirty six. There's not one county
in the state of California. And this is the first
time I think I've ever seen this. There's not one
county in the state of California that voted against Prop
(17:11):
thirty six. Wow, NLA County wasn't too out of sorts
with how it typically votes on other issues. So when
we look at some of the other state propositions raising
the minimum wage that's losing in the statewide count right now,
LA County has so far voted to support that.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But it is also interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
To note that that La County did vote the way
the rest of the state is voting on giving rent
control power to the city's more control over rent increases
to cities. LA County said no to that, So that's
a little bit strange. But this may signal a pendulum
swing in another direction, as we just heard Steve Gregory
state with you all just a bit earlier, that people
(17:51):
are moving away from that reaction to the racial justice
movement of twenty seven. It looks like Prop thirty six
basically lived alone on the ballot because people, presumably they're
tired of seeing video after video of widespread theft from
retail establishments where thieves make off with impunity, and people
are tired of feeling like they have to go through
TSA just to buy some deodor in at CVS.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I've actually had to repit it at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh yeah, you just some broad dog those.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I have.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And it's been odd to me, but it's crossover from
stuff we report on to my real life. There have
been a couple of times where I've said to my
or I've had the thought like, ah, I don't want
to go to the mall, like you know what, and
the odds are so small that you're going to go
to the mall and that's going to be when the
smash and grab robberies happened. But it became so pervasive
(18:43):
it was actually a thought in my head.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
A couple of times you have.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
No choice but to consider it when you live in
a place where every corner of the county has experienced that,
and they're so egregious. You know, a smash and grab
robbery of a convenience store could happen anywhere, Yeah, but
to happen with it's a volume that they happen here
and other assorted crimes related to that. It just lives
(19:07):
in your system. And so now what we have to do,
as Angelino's is to wait and see about the impact
of some of the choices that were made a new
DA who wants to be tougher on crime and this
new tough on crime state mandate. How and when do
we measure the success of those things? And it will
also be interesting, I think, to pay attention to what
I'm usually paying attention to. For Kfi City Council, LA
(19:29):
County government, how do they respond to the messages from
voters on this issue, Because this is a city that
admits it's not yet logistically close to being ready for
the twenty twenty eight Olympics, but also even a blind
person can see it's not esthetically ready for it. So
how are they going to respond to this message? And
will it trickle down to other areas of policy.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Good point. Your voice is very soothing, Michael.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I appreciate that any too.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I was able to get some toothpaste at the CBS
after going through TSA.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
He sends me out, thanks. Michael. Monks there covering the
local stuff for us.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Harris has called Trump to congratulate him on his election victory.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Yeah, we know that she is expected to give a
speech of some kind, concession speech.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
It sounds like.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
At about one o'clock today our time, she will be
speaking at Howard University, where the campaign held their election
night party last night.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
But she didn't.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
She didn't issue any sort of statement last night. She
didn't address the people that had shown up to the
party last night. That seemed like just an odd decision,
odd choice to not even come out and say hey,
great fight, we're still in this or anything.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
She didn't say anything.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It shows a bit of a disconnect.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The AID that reported on this call said that Kamala
Harris discussed the importance of a peaceful transfer of power
with Trump ahead of her planned concession speech this afternoon.
President Biden is set to make some remarks to the
country at some point today. The hell that's going to
sound like. I still think that there's a possibility that
(21:08):
he hands it over to Kamala Harris puts a little
cherry on his career as a lifelong Democrat by stepping
aside and appointing a black female as President of the
United States for the last couple months. I don't see
that that's what happens in the movie.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Okay, So in the movie that you're writing in your head.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right, well, you're writing Space Wars. That's my first priority.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well this would be the second one. This would be
White House Wars something like.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, in my in my movie, Biden's actually no longer
with us?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Really? Yeah, So then who's going to make the speech today?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's going to be the ending of the movie that
you're going to have to pay nineteen ninety nine to
go see.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Now, Yeah, we are following.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I figure most people will entered on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Oh well in that case, yes, the ninety nine makes sense.
I was going to go to the movie theater that
won't exist when that one comes out. Now, there are
a couple of fires that we are following. One of
them is called the Broad Fire. It's down near Malibu.
It started Malibu Bluff's Malibu Bluff, Am I saying that
Malibu Bluff Park. You're okay, okay, it sounded funny.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you smell toast.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
The fire is, they said, several dozen acres right now,
mostly contained to the park itself, but some fire did
jump pch and damaged at least one of the homes
that's right there along the waterfront. The other fire, the
one that's bigger and potentially more dangerous, is the one
that is burning in near Moore Park. They have set
(22:48):
up evacuation centers. This is called the Mountain Fire, and
it's at about one thousand acres. They wanted a hard
closure on the one eighteen between Wells to Grimes Canyon.
There are a bunch of different ranches, farms, etc. Out
there and some homes, a lot of horse properties, et cetera.
So they have been at least given the warning to
(23:11):
get out if they haven't already seen and smelled the
smoke or have flames on their properties already. So those
are really the main areas that people are kind of
keeping their eyes on today. As you said, this is
going to be a significant wind event, one that we
haven't seen for quite a while here in southern California,
And of course it's the bad kind. It's the kind
(23:32):
where the wind is blowing offshore tends to be a
warmer wind. It's been very, very dry in the last
several weeks, with just tiny traces of rainfall for the
most part. So everything out there is getting ready to burn,
and this wind is going to make it that much worse.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Would you like your Jeopardy question? Air travel for one
thousand dollars four years. A sign painted on a roof
in this Wisconsin city. He said, welcome to Cleveland to
prank airline passengers.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I was in Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Huh, yeah, well it's one of two cities.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
What is Green Bay? What is Madison?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Milwaukee?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Jeez, Louise, And now you've lost Wisconsin. I didn't have
any shot at you didn't get one county. Both Kamala
Harris and I lost Wisconsin. So yeah, I got zero counties.
I underperformed Biden.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Green Bay even have a significant airport.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I don't know. I've never been to Green Bay. You
make it sound like I have.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, why was that your first answer?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Because that's because of you, probably because of me. I
didn't think of Milwaukee. You've been listening to the Gary
and Shannon Show.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
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