December 10, 2024 • 29 mins
Gary and Shannon begin the show by talking to KFI’s Michael Monks about the Franklin Fire burning Malibu. Gary and Shannon speak with Pepperdine University’s Director of Communications, Mike Friel, about the Franklin Fire as well as the latest on the arrest of Luigi Mangione.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. The scenes coming from the Pepperdine
Library are insane.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Have you seen this? This is a kid that's in.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The stacks of books, in between the aisles of the
stacks of books, filming the window. What's right outside the
windows and it is sheer hell fire.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's it's a lot closer, it seemed than originally expected.
The Franklin fire that is burning in the Malibu area
right around the hills of Pepperdine is now over twenty
two hundred acres. And to your point, Rachel Flynn was
watching Spectrum this morning and they were interviewing one of
the students who was in the library at the time
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said that at eleven o'clock last night is when the
power went out in their apartment and they knew that.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Something was up.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Power went out as my roommates and I were studying
for finals, and we knew right away that that meant fire.
We've been receiving warnings the last couple of days with
the high winds, so we knew just right away that
that's what was happening, and so we packed to go
bag and then we waited for instructions on what to
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do next. It wasn't until one fifteen one thirty that
we got the shelter in place message, and that's when
we all went down to main campus and we were
either in the library or we were in the cafeteria.
I chose the library, it was a little bit more comfortable,
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and then we just staked out a place anywhere we
could find. There were students in the rows, in the
stacks of books, on the couches, and we just found
a place to be for the night.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
As of about an hour ago, by the way, Pepperdine
did lift its shelter in place order based on the conditions.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Things are looking better this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
They've got the Hella tanker chinooks on this thing. They've
got the fixed wing aircraft as well doing air drops.
Always a delight to see, Always a weird juxtaposition when
there's a fire burning in Malibu on those ridges right
alongside that beautiful coastline as well. Michael Monks has been
covering this for KFI News and joins us.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Now, Michael, what's the latest.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
My observation was exactly what you just said. I mean,
the PCH was completely shut down after you cross the
Malibu City limit sign, and so the sea. The California
Highway Patrol we're kind of enough to let the media
go through, So I got to go through and basically
drive on that highway alone. And so you've got the ocean,
You've got the silhouettes of the palm trees and the seabirds,
and the sun is rising in It's gorgeous. And then
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there's a mountain on fire on the other side of
it where all of these luxury homes exist. And I
think it's just the quintessential twenty first century image of
California that we know and love today. And right now
now it looks like the situation may be a bit
better than it was earlier this morning with the caveat
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that those Santa Ana winds are still kind of out there,
and so could the situation get worse. That's something that
people need to take heat. Even at Pepperdine. We've heard
officials there say, look, we think it's gotten better, we
think the worst is behind us, but we're still going
to keep an eye on things.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
What are the winds out there?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I mean, what do you feel out there, because the
images that we've seen from some of the TV helicopters,
it does not look like the smoke is the smoke
from the areas that are active right now. It doesn't
look like it's being blown horizontally at all. Looks like
it's a relatively calm.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It really did feel nice.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
I mean there were some winds, certainly, and you could
smell and taste the fire the closer you got, obviously,
but it did not seem to reach the levels that
it had reached earlier in this situation. We had heard
some of our friends at the Weather Service tell us
that they did expect the winds to increase again but
die back down a bit after twelve o'clock. And though
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we have the red flag warnings until Wednesday, I don't
think they expect the winds to be as bad either
today or tomorrow as they were late last night.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Into this morning.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'm looking at the National Weather Service map right now,
and yeah, that's the thing. They will die down at
noon around noon, but then they'll kick back up later on.
This thing was triggered just shy of eleven pm last night,
they say, And it is that specific area that they're
worried about. It's the Santa Susannah Mountains to the north,
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it's the western San Gabriel Mountains, and then it's the
western Santa Monica Mountains wreck area, which is right where
the fire is burning. They say, northeast winds forty to
fifty miles per hour, we're going to get gust to
seventy and obviously one of the main concerns is down
to power lines, trees into power lines, and all of
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that dry fuel just sitting there. They want to make
sure that somewhere else isn't sparked well because those.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Embers can fly around like crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It looks like they're going to move quickly to get
a handle on this as quickly as possible after those
winds die down. When you look at the top of
the ridge in Malibu, and you don't need to look
further than the top of those palm trees that are
just certainly erratically blowing, you can tell that we are
not out of the safe We're not in the safe
zone yet.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
That's exactly right, and I think that's the message that
officials want to stress, is that the situation has improved.
It's definitely improved. At Pepperdine. They let the students out
of those buildings and to return to their residence as
that they caution them to stay on campus and not
trickle out into the city streets. But that is what
is still lingering over all of this, and this fire
overnight exploded very fast. Now twenty two hundred acres seems
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rather small compared to some of the other fires that
we've had earlier in this season, but this is a
very concentrated area where it's very damaging to nearby homes.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So at about three point thirty.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
This morning, when I arrived at the station in Burbank,
it was about eight hundred acres that had burned. By
an hour later it had already doubled, and then an
hour after that it had reached eighteen hundred. But since
then only an additional four hundred acres. I think that
speaks to the shift and winds. But again you got
to keep an eye on it because if those winds
shift in the wrong direction, we could be looking at trouble.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So we're at two twenty two hundred acres, nearly as
many structures threatened. The report from the press conference at
eight was a minimal number of homes destroyed, but no
further information than that.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah, we don't know exactly the number of homes. People
have certainly seen some building some houses, and we've seen
those I think on some of the television screens as well,
but we know exact verdict on what has happened. I
didn't get a chance to talk to anybody yet who
may have evacuated. I've been here at the Palisides Park
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and Recreation, which is one of the evacuation sites, off
and on all morning, going back and forth between Malibu
and here, and it seems that most of the folks
who did come here after the initial evacuation mostly stayed
in their cars and hung out in there. No one
has stepped inside really to take advantage of the Red
Crosses cots or snacks or coffee, and so it seems
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that the folks who have evacuated have either moved on
somewhere else. A lot of people were parked along PCH
I noticed maybe they just headed down to the beach
for a little while to wait it out until they
could go back. But as far as what people are
feeling about the possibility of losing their homes, they probably
have a better sense of optimism now again with the
caveat that those winds are still blowing.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah. Great, Michael will check back in with you. Thank you,
you got it. Thanksi's Michael Monks out there in Malibo.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I can't believe those students were able to keep their
cool that were inside that library.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I mean, it is just an.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Orange wall of burning, blowing fire outside the windows and
to here shelter in place, I would have lost because
you think about your human reaction is get the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Hell out of there. This fire is going to burn
this building down.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think the only saving grace is that it's far
enough into the center of campus. You know that there's
not as much It's not like they have wild grasses
burning up to the doors of the of the live they.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Do, though, I mean like they have trees that are
on fire right outside those windows.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Mike Freel is the director of communications of Pepperdine. We're
going to talk with Mike coming up at the bottom
of the arc. He had a long night of course,
trying to figure out and keep the kids safe, so
we'll talk with him about their decisions and more on
this fire is going to come up in just a
couple of monus I've.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Got the DC ten out there now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's nice to see all of the firefighting aircraft take
to the sky. It's and I know that it's safety theater,
a lot of it. It's supposed to make us feel
better as they drop that bright red retardant on the
fire area, but damn it makes me feel better.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It works.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Some of the the helicopter shots from TV early this
morning obviously said, you know, we don't see a lot
of fixed wing because the nature of the winds and
that's still waiting for daylighte l at night. But it
was about seven thirty and they were said, hey, get
ready for an air show.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's going to be pretty significant.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We'll talk more about There are some other things that
are going on today. We want to make sure that
we bring you up to date on, for example, Luis JIUMANNGIONI.
Of course, now, these twenty six year old suspects in
the shooting of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder ordered
held without bail following his arrayment in Pennsylvania last night,
expected to be in an extradition hearing.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I think about ten thirty hour time today.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
All of our speculation and digging yesterday turned out to
pan out he is related to that Maryland state senator
and their family of Mangione's there the whole family that
we found yesterday is his family. The country clubs that
we saw connected to that name also the family. The
New York Times did a great article about how he
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withdrew from a life of pre and promise. We talked
about the exclusive school he went to before he went
into the ivy leagues, what went wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
His sister was a doctor is a doctor apparently, which
is interesting because if he has such a problem with
the healthcare industry, what influence did his sister have? Was
she answering questions? Was she supportive of the healthcare industry?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I don't know. I mean, I'd be curious to see
what that relationship is.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
There's got to be a break somewhere, because you don't
go from the feeling that many of us have that
it's the most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet
we rank very low on the totem pole when it
comes to our overall health. But there's a divide there
and a break that has to happen between realizing that,
being frustrated by that, and then killing because of that.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Let me add to this.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
One of his roommates when he was living in Hawaii
said that he had suffered a back injury pretty significantly.
That he suffered from sp spondelicitus thesis spondyl thisis I'm
going to say that wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
A spinal injury.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
He said that his lower vertebrae were almost a half
inch off, almost like a scoliosis, and that it pinched
a nerve. He aggravated that when he was at taking
surfing lessons, and this roommate said it affected his sex
life at twenty six years old or however old he was,
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but in her early twenties when this happened, that he
was unable to have sex. That's not a reason to
kill somebody. But if you're young twenties and you think
that the health care industry is somehow responsible for that
in your life, Yeah, that's something that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So many And is there a correlation between nerve damage
and brain function?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Possibly or just anger? I mean it could it could
be as simple as anger. So there's that Israel is
taking advantage of, I guess you could say the turmoil
in Syria and has targeted several navel and other military
assets as part of a campaign to destroy any of
the weapons left behind by boshar A Lessad and the military.
(12:06):
There is really missileships destroyed Syrian naval vessels that belonged
to asad's forces. They targeted Kepin chemical weapons facilities as well,
taking advantage of the fact that there is no basically
no Syrian military to fight against them, and hoping that
none of that stuff falls into the wrong hands.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
If you need some money, we've got a mega million's
jackpot for tonight that has just ballooned to six hundred
and nineteen million dollars. Do you want the cash option
on that? Oh, you'll put about two hundred and ninety
eight million bucks in your pocket before the holidays.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Before my taxes or as out after taxes.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That would be before taxes.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Okay, so half of that proba basically let's still I mean,
then why even why are you getting greedy?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Why are you getting greedy? One hundred and fifty million?
You don't want that?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, I mean, when I gave fifty million up, how
satisfying is it to get one hundred and fifty million?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But think about what you could donate. You could donate
all of it if you want it and then it's
not then and I don't have to worry about it.
I would probably donate. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what I
was just gonna say. I'd probably donate the majority of it,
just so I don't end up with a gutter.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You'd almost have to put it up in some sort
of a fund. I wouldn't trust a financial planner and
say only give me this much on my birthday every
year something like that.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Space it out so that you don't blow it all up.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Give me a couple hundred bucks once a year. That
should work out. Hey, we are in a particularly dangerous
Santa Anna wind event until two pm. That is what
the National Weather Service has a particularly dangerous Santa Ana
wind event until two pm today. We mentioned the red
flag warnings will extend till six o'clock tomorrow. Coming up
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after Amy's news at the top of the hour, we're
going to be talking with Henry de Carlo from KTLA
just to kind of drilled down and figure out when
the worst winds are going to hit, because it's not
just the Malibu area that's a threat.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's all over.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The county and like the county Emergency Ops people were
saying this morning.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
They prepared for this.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They preemptively shut down to Pangy Canyon Road yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, which I didn't hear about yesterday until Astbay did it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I read it when it crossed the wire during our show,
but just didn't mention it. They just said, we're going
to shut this down in because we know the winds
are coming so good on them.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, and right now it appears that the Franklin fire
burning in Malibu is not blowing up the way that
it was expected to. The way it behaved overnight was
really dangerous. It has slowed down significantly. Not that they're
out of the woods yet, but they're hoping that they
can get some amount of containment around it now before
the winds do pick up.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's not just white smoke.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I am seeing black smoke with schmeans there's still fuel
to burn.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Could you see it driving in by the way, No.
I could see it on I five coming through the valley.
You could see the smoke off to the west.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
LA County fire units were responded to a report of
a brushfire at Malibu Canyon Road and the Tunnel. Units
reported five acres of heavy brush burning and being spread
by strong Santa Anna wins.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
At La County Fire Chief Anthony Moroney this morning they
have updated the acreage now it's up over twenty two
hundred acres.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
The most dramatic images for me that I saw were
from inside the library at Pepperdine where it was just
like I said, just hell fire, just bright orange flames
burning right up against what appeared to be right up
against the window there as students stood in between the
stacks of books there with the shelter in place warning
or order.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I should say that now has been lifted this morning.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Mike Friel is the director of communications over there at Pepperdine. Mike,
I know this has been a long night. Thanks for
taking time for us today.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
Yeah, sure has.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
It started at eleven PM when we first started to
monitor a fire and unfortunately is spread toward the Pacific Ocean,
and as you know, the campus is situated right on
the coastline there overlooking the Pacific Ocean, and we had
to issue a shelter and place order. It's really the
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best course of action for our community in complete coordination
with La County Fire. Hats off to them for keeping
us safe and ensuring that we were out of harm's way,
but certainly the fires flames were very close to our campus,
even some spot fires really close to our shelter and
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place location. So it was quite a night. So that
we're so grateful for our first responders and also to
our own community who responded so well. We communicated in
every way possible, whether that was email or text or
phone call or even knocking on doors to make sure
that people were out of harm's way and we were
able to get them to the center of campus.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We won't keep you long.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I know you probably have not slept, but when you
see those images from inside the library, what was that
like overnight? It must have been a very tense situation
for you.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
It was we you know, unfortunately we uh we live
in uh you know, a place where we are susceptible
to to brush fires, and so we've done a lot
of work to prepare the campus. We've cleared brush around
the edge of campus. We've uh uh just shrubbery and
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other things in campus to be resilient, uh to to wildfires.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
And of course our.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Buildings are designed and constructed to a stand wildfires.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
So we feel very prepared.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
But nevertheless, when you see flames right outside your window. Uh,
it can really get to you. We're just so proud
of how ours responded though. They were really resilient uh
and were response quest it Sube. We even saw them
gathering and playing together, or just some of them broke
out a guitar and started playing music. It was really
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amazing to see how our students were able to just
process this and to keep their heads about themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I remember covering I think you were hit by three
fires two thousand and seven, two thousand and six, two
thousand and seven around there, And I remember going to
Pepperdine and there are students that evacuated to that massive
grassy knoll and we're doing just what you described. There's
just like this coming cool collected nature there. It seemed
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like as the fire was burning around it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Oh, we lost them. Oh there you are.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Hey, I'm here, Mike for students who may have evacuated
campus last night. They got the warnings and they just
took off. Should they stay away from campus? What are
you telling those students?
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Yeah, we certainly want them to put their safety first.
And so you know, there are a lot of road
closures in the area. We know that the winds will continue.
Although they may be dying down in the near future,
there's still a real risk to fires sparking. So we
want our community to know that safety is really first
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and we want them to stay out of harm's way.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
We want our community to stay off the roads.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
That allows the first responders to deal with spot fires
that may be as a result of the embers that
have been burning.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
So it's really important that we put the community.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
First and their safety.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
That's why we canceled classes.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Students will not be doing their final day and we're
we're going to reassess and look for a way to
help them finish out the semester and complete their coursework.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
But today is not that day. We're going to make
sure that the campus is.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Safe and that our residents are out of harm's way.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And then just finally, cal Fire has a map out
that shows sort of the general boundaries of where it
has burned, and it looks like it's right up to
campus there on the east side. Is there any damage
to campus minor as it might be.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
We're thankful that we've received little to no damage. There
may be a little bit of damage on one of
the buildings, but largely we've escaped the fire.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
The you know, just hats.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Off to the first responders, to our folks who work
closely at La County Fire who who really were so
instrumental in keeping a fire at bay and protecting really
the whole area of Malibu. I mean, they were all
over the Just so grateful for them and the close
coordination to ensure that, you know, three thousand plus of
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our community, our students, our faculty, and staff were out
of harm's way.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Mike Friel, thank you so much. Enjoy some rest maybe tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And if you need information about Pepperdine, by the way,
you can go to Pepperdine dot edu. There's information right
there on their homepage. But there's also I mean there's
the beautiful vista picture of the country club version of
Pepperdine that's there.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Is there another version?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, well, I mean the you know hell fire that
we saw. The library knows a bunch of stories that
we're find. We will follow the fire as it continues
to grow. Ministers in the government in Sweden are looking
at imposing age limits on social media platforms, but not
necessarily because of what you think.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
They said.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
There's been a there's been a wave of gang crime
that has led Sweden recording the most deadly shootings per
capita in all of Europe, a reverse from just two
decades ago when they had the fewest.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They said.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Among the last two years, Swedish police of the gangs
have been using social media platforms as digital marketplaces to
recruit anonymous teenagers, in some cases as young as eleven,
to commit murders and bombings in Sweden and elsewhere in
the Nordic countries.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Why what's their motivation?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
No, I just get I don't know. Gangs, immigrant gangs.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, they must be immigrant gangs, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But not because of the mental I mean, obviously that's
part of the mental trauma that social media can cause
for kids.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
But they're talking about preventing violence.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Interesting, Luigi MANGIONI, wow, I have never seen social media
come alive in the form of sleuthing as I have
with this story. It seems like there are so many
people that were doing what I was doing yesterday, just
immediately digging into this guy, finding out everything you could
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find out. And there was just so much information that
trickled out all day and overnight about this guy. Because
he had such an auspicious start to life. It seems
like it came from a great family, well to do,
went to the exclusive schools ivy leagues. He served as
a head counselor at a pre college program at Stanford.
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He just seemed to be on track to become a
very successful person. Instead, about six months ago, he stopped
contacting friends and family. They say, as you mentioned, he
had been suffering from this painful back injury and went dark.
In July, one of his friends tagged him on social
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media and said, you made commitments to me for my wedding,
and if you can't honor them, I need to know
so I can plan accordingly.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He hadn't heard from him in months.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
One of the reports in the New York Times is
that he suffered that back injury or it was aggravated
while he was surfing in Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
R J.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Martin lived with the guy for about six months and
said he knew that dating and being physically intimate because
of his back condition condition was not possible.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
That he had spondelo. I can't say it, hey, Garyan Shannon.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
It's bondolo like thesis.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Spondal bondalo lie thesis for one burder.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Base slipping over the other, putting pressure on his final court.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yes, so if that also causes nerve damage, which it can. Uh,
it could have affected his sexual performance.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Could it affected his brain chemistry?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I think that would? I think I don't think that
that injury would. I think dealing with the injury and
the and the idea of chronic pain like that would
be debilitating to some.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
People, they say.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The people who know him say that he was particularly smart,
perhaps the smartest at his elite private school. In high school.
Even before college, he had already made a mobile app
where users could fly a paper airplane through obstacles. He
said he was social, he was friendly, never particularly political, ambitious,
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and had a huge interest in computer science toward college
that he was a big believer in the power of
technology to change the world, but then started reposting unibomber
type quotes. Who was opposed to technology?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Anti technology or at least anti too much technology? And
one of the things that we talked about yesterday which
seemed to be the breaking point for this guy, I
shouldn't that's not the right word. It seemed to be
a delineation for him. Was technology up to a point,
but when you start getting into artificial intelligence, it's detrimental
to human health. And he talked about the lack of
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human connection between people because we were relying so much
on technology outside of what we need it for. We
were using it for entertainment, we were using it for relationship,
and that's not what it was designed for, or in
his mind, it should not be used for. So mentioned
this yesterday. He came from all kinds of money. His family.
His grandfather Nick Senior, and his grandmother Mary purchased a
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country club in Alicott City, Maryland in the seventies, and
then they bought the Hayfields Country Club in Hunt Valley, Maryland.
They found The family also founded a nursing home company,
Lewis Mangioni. This guy's father became an owner there, and
the family owned a radio station which has politically conservative programs.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
They have a bunch of other real estate holdings.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And you mentioned again this cousin, Nino Mangioni, is an
elected member of the Maryland House of Delegates.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So he was living in this co living space in Honolulu,
and he did talk about the back injury, the painful
back issues that a spine was misaligned, as you mentioned
that the lower vertebrae were almost a half inch off,
and they said that he did not make a habit
of complaining, he did not seem to be on any
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particular pain medication, but that yes, he did make mention
about not having to live this normal lifestyle in terms
of being physically intimate. He left that co living space
after six months to return to the East Coast, where
he told his friends he was planning to see his doctor.
He returned to Honolulu afterward, rent in an apartment in
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the same neighborhood, and then he left in the in
the summer of last year, they thought for presumably for
an operation on his back, and then August the friends
check in via text and he sends back pictures of
that back surgery.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
They said they were jarring.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And apparently they said, well, how are you feeling, and
he wrote back, Luigi DIDs it did? So long story.
Will fill you in in person back in Hawaii as
soon as I can. I have to figure out some
spine stuff here first, and then it just seems like
things went off the rails.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
This is a whole lot of information that we're getting
in about this guy. So we'll talk more about it
a little bit later in the show as well. About
ten thirty hour time is when he is expected to
be in court for an extradition hearing to send him
back to New York, where he's already been charged with murder.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
It was a two hundred and sixty two word handwritten
document that begins with him taking responsibly responsibility for the
murder that they found on him. And in one part
of this manifesto, I guess he said that the parasites
had it coming, that the murder had to be done.
(28:34):
I'm sorry for any trauma, but it had to be done. Frankly,
these parasites had a coming, all right. We'll talk more
about that a little bit later in the show. We
also have a bunch of other stuff coming up, including
a revenge quitting people quitting out of revenge.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
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Speaker 3 (28:53):
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on the iHeartRadio app. The scenes coming from the Pepperdine
Library are insane.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Have you seen this? This is a kid that's in.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The stacks of books, in between the aisles of the
stacks of books, filming the window. What's right outside the
windows and it is sheer hell fire.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's it's a lot closer, it seemed than originally expected.
The Franklin fire that is burning in the Malibu area
right around the hills of Pepperdine is now over twenty
two hundred acres. And to your point, Rachel Flynn was
watching Spectrum this morning and they were interviewing one of
the students who was in the library at the time
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said that at eleven o'clock last night is when the
power went out in their apartment and they knew that.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Something was up.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Power went out as my roommates and I were studying
for finals, and we knew right away that that meant fire.
We've been receiving warnings the last couple of days with
the high winds, so we knew just right away that
that's what was happening, and so we packed to go
bag and then we waited for instructions on what to
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do next. It wasn't until one fifteen one thirty that
we got the shelter in place message, and that's when
we all went down to main campus and we were
either in the library or we were in the cafeteria.
I chose the library, it was a little bit more comfortable,
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and then we just staked out a place anywhere we
could find. There were students in the rows, in the
stacks of books, on the couches, and we just found
a place to be for the night.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
As of about an hour ago, by the way, Pepperdine
did lift its shelter in place order based on the conditions.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Things are looking better this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
They've got the Hella tanker chinooks on this thing. They've
got the fixed wing aircraft as well doing air drops.
Always a delight to see, Always a weird juxtaposition when
there's a fire burning in Malibu on those ridges right
alongside that beautiful coastline as well. Michael Monks has been
covering this for KFI News and joins us.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Now, Michael, what's the latest.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
My observation was exactly what you just said. I mean,
the PCH was completely shut down after you cross the
Malibu City limit sign, and so the sea. The California
Highway Patrol we're kind of enough to let the media
go through, So I got to go through and basically
drive on that highway alone. And so you've got the ocean,
You've got the silhouettes of the palm trees and the seabirds,
and the sun is rising in It's gorgeous. And then
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there's a mountain on fire on the other side of
it where all of these luxury homes exist. And I
think it's just the quintessential twenty first century image of
California that we know and love today. And right now
now it looks like the situation may be a bit
better than it was earlier this morning with the caveat
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that those Santa Ana winds are still kind of out there,
and so could the situation get worse. That's something that
people need to take heat. Even at Pepperdine. We've heard
officials there say, look, we think it's gotten better, we
think the worst is behind us, but we're still going
to keep an eye on things.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
What are the winds out there?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I mean, what do you feel out there, because the
images that we've seen from some of the TV helicopters,
it does not look like the smoke is the smoke
from the areas that are active right now. It doesn't
look like it's being blown horizontally at all. Looks like
it's a relatively calm.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It really did feel nice.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
I mean there were some winds, certainly, and you could
smell and taste the fire the closer you got, obviously,
but it did not seem to reach the levels that
it had reached earlier in this situation. We had heard
some of our friends at the Weather Service tell us
that they did expect the winds to increase again but
die back down a bit after twelve o'clock. And though
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we have the red flag warnings until Wednesday, I don't
think they expect the winds to be as bad either
today or tomorrow as they were late last night.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Into this morning.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'm looking at the National Weather Service map right now,
and yeah, that's the thing. They will die down at
noon around noon, but then they'll kick back up later on.
This thing was triggered just shy of eleven pm last night,
they say, And it is that specific area that they're
worried about. It's the Santa Susannah Mountains to the north,
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it's the western San Gabriel Mountains, and then it's the
western Santa Monica Mountains wreck area, which is right where
the fire is burning. They say, northeast winds forty to
fifty miles per hour, we're going to get gust to
seventy and obviously one of the main concerns is down
to power lines, trees into power lines, and all of
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that dry fuel just sitting there. They want to make
sure that somewhere else isn't sparked well because those.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Embers can fly around like crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It looks like they're going to move quickly to get
a handle on this as quickly as possible after those
winds die down. When you look at the top of
the ridge in Malibu, and you don't need to look
further than the top of those palm trees that are
just certainly erratically blowing, you can tell that we are
not out of the safe We're not in the safe
zone yet.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
That's exactly right, and I think that's the message that
officials want to stress, is that the situation has improved.
It's definitely improved. At Pepperdine. They let the students out
of those buildings and to return to their residence as
that they caution them to stay on campus and not
trickle out into the city streets. But that is what
is still lingering over all of this, and this fire
overnight exploded very fast. Now twenty two hundred acres seems
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rather small compared to some of the other fires that
we've had earlier in this season, but this is a
very concentrated area where it's very damaging to nearby homes.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So at about three point thirty.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
This morning, when I arrived at the station in Burbank,
it was about eight hundred acres that had burned. By
an hour later it had already doubled, and then an
hour after that it had reached eighteen hundred. But since
then only an additional four hundred acres. I think that
speaks to the shift and winds. But again you got
to keep an eye on it because if those winds
shift in the wrong direction, we could be looking at trouble.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So we're at two twenty two hundred acres, nearly as
many structures threatened. The report from the press conference at
eight was a minimal number of homes destroyed, but no
further information than that.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah, we don't know exactly the number of homes. People
have certainly seen some building some houses, and we've seen
those I think on some of the television screens as well,
but we know exact verdict on what has happened. I
didn't get a chance to talk to anybody yet who
may have evacuated. I've been here at the Palisides Park
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and Recreation, which is one of the evacuation sites, off
and on all morning, going back and forth between Malibu
and here, and it seems that most of the folks
who did come here after the initial evacuation mostly stayed
in their cars and hung out in there. No one
has stepped inside really to take advantage of the Red
Crosses cots or snacks or coffee, and so it seems
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that the folks who have evacuated have either moved on
somewhere else. A lot of people were parked along PCH
I noticed maybe they just headed down to the beach
for a little while to wait it out until they
could go back. But as far as what people are
feeling about the possibility of losing their homes, they probably
have a better sense of optimism now again with the
caveat that those winds are still blowing.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah. Great, Michael will check back in with you. Thank you,
you got it. Thanksi's Michael Monks out there in Malibo.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I can't believe those students were able to keep their
cool that were inside that library.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I mean, it is just an.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Orange wall of burning, blowing fire outside the windows and
to here shelter in place, I would have lost because
you think about your human reaction is get the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Hell out of there. This fire is going to burn
this building down.
Speaker 8 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think the only saving grace is that it's far
enough into the center of campus. You know that there's
not as much It's not like they have wild grasses
burning up to the doors of the of the live they.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Do, though, I mean like they have trees that are
on fire right outside those windows.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Mike Freel is the director of communications of Pepperdine. We're
going to talk with Mike coming up at the bottom
of the arc. He had a long night of course,
trying to figure out and keep the kids safe, so
we'll talk with him about their decisions and more on
this fire is going to come up in just a
couple of monus I've.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Got the DC ten out there now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's nice to see all of the firefighting aircraft take
to the sky. It's and I know that it's safety theater,
a lot of it. It's supposed to make us feel
better as they drop that bright red retardant on the
fire area, but damn it makes me feel better.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It works.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Some of the the helicopter shots from TV early this
morning obviously said, you know, we don't see a lot
of fixed wing because the nature of the winds and
that's still waiting for daylighte l at night. But it
was about seven thirty and they were said, hey, get
ready for an air show.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's going to be pretty significant.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We'll talk more about There are some other things that
are going on today. We want to make sure that
we bring you up to date on, for example, Luis JIUMANNGIONI.
Of course, now, these twenty six year old suspects in
the shooting of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder ordered
held without bail following his arrayment in Pennsylvania last night,
expected to be in an extradition hearing.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I think about ten thirty hour time today.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
All of our speculation and digging yesterday turned out to
pan out he is related to that Maryland state senator
and their family of Mangione's there the whole family that
we found yesterday is his family. The country clubs that
we saw connected to that name also the family. The
New York Times did a great article about how he
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withdrew from a life of pre and promise. We talked
about the exclusive school he went to before he went
into the ivy leagues, what went wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
His sister was a doctor is a doctor apparently, which
is interesting because if he has such a problem with
the healthcare industry, what influence did his sister have? Was
she answering questions? Was she supportive of the healthcare industry?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I don't know. I mean, I'd be curious to see
what that relationship is.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
There's got to be a break somewhere, because you don't
go from the feeling that many of us have that
it's the most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet
we rank very low on the totem pole when it
comes to our overall health. But there's a divide there
and a break that has to happen between realizing that,
being frustrated by that, and then killing because of that.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Let me add to this.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
One of his roommates when he was living in Hawaii
said that he had suffered a back injury pretty significantly.
That he suffered from sp spondelicitus thesis spondyl thisis I'm
going to say that wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
A spinal injury.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
He said that his lower vertebrae were almost a half
inch off, almost like a scoliosis, and that it pinched
a nerve. He aggravated that when he was at taking
surfing lessons, and this roommate said it affected his sex
life at twenty six years old or however old he was,
(11:23):
but in her early twenties when this happened, that he
was unable to have sex. That's not a reason to
kill somebody. But if you're young twenties and you think
that the health care industry is somehow responsible for that
in your life, Yeah, that's something that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So many And is there a correlation between nerve damage
and brain function?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Possibly or just anger? I mean it could it could
be as simple as anger. So there's that Israel is
taking advantage of, I guess you could say the turmoil
in Syria and has targeted several navel and other military
assets as part of a campaign to destroy any of
the weapons left behind by boshar A Lessad and the military.
(12:06):
There is really missileships destroyed Syrian naval vessels that belonged
to asad's forces. They targeted Kepin chemical weapons facilities as well,
taking advantage of the fact that there is no basically
no Syrian military to fight against them, and hoping that
none of that stuff falls into the wrong hands.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
If you need some money, we've got a mega million's
jackpot for tonight that has just ballooned to six hundred
and nineteen million dollars. Do you want the cash option
on that? Oh, you'll put about two hundred and ninety
eight million bucks in your pocket before the holidays.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Before my taxes or as out after taxes.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That would be before taxes.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Okay, so half of that proba basically let's still I mean,
then why even why are you getting greedy?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Why are you getting greedy? One hundred and fifty million?
You don't want that?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, I mean, when I gave fifty million up, how
satisfying is it to get one hundred and fifty million?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But think about what you could donate. You could donate
all of it if you want it and then it's
not then and I don't have to worry about it.
I would probably donate. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what I
was just gonna say. I'd probably donate the majority of it,
just so I don't end up with a gutter.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You'd almost have to put it up in some sort
of a fund. I wouldn't trust a financial planner and
say only give me this much on my birthday every
year something like that.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Space it out so that you don't blow it all up.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Give me a couple hundred bucks once a year. That
should work out. Hey, we are in a particularly dangerous
Santa Anna wind event until two pm. That is what
the National Weather Service has a particularly dangerous Santa Ana
wind event until two pm today. We mentioned the red
flag warnings will extend till six o'clock tomorrow. Coming up
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after Amy's news at the top of the hour, we're
going to be talking with Henry de Carlo from KTLA
just to kind of drilled down and figure out when
the worst winds are going to hit, because it's not
just the Malibu area that's a threat.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's all over.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The county and like the county Emergency Ops people were
saying this morning.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
They prepared for this.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
They preemptively shut down to Pangy Canyon Road yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, which I didn't hear about yesterday until Astbay did it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I read it when it crossed the wire during our show,
but just didn't mention it. They just said, we're going
to shut this down in because we know the winds
are coming so good on them.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, and right now it appears that the Franklin fire
burning in Malibu is not blowing up the way that
it was expected to. The way it behaved overnight was
really dangerous. It has slowed down significantly. Not that they're
out of the woods yet, but they're hoping that they
can get some amount of containment around it now before
the winds do pick up.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's not just white smoke.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I am seeing black smoke with schmeans there's still fuel
to burn.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Could you see it driving in by the way, No.
I could see it on I five coming through the valley.
You could see the smoke off to the west.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
LA County fire units were responded to a report of
a brushfire at Malibu Canyon Road and the Tunnel. Units
reported five acres of heavy brush burning and being spread
by strong Santa Anna wins.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
At La County Fire Chief Anthony Moroney this morning they
have updated the acreage now it's up over twenty two
hundred acres.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
The most dramatic images for me that I saw were
from inside the library at Pepperdine where it was just
like I said, just hell fire, just bright orange flames
burning right up against what appeared to be right up
against the window there as students stood in between the
stacks of books there with the shelter in place warning
or order.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I should say that now has been lifted this morning.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Mike Friel is the director of communications over there at Pepperdine. Mike,
I know this has been a long night. Thanks for
taking time for us today.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
Yeah, sure has.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
It started at eleven PM when we first started to
monitor a fire and unfortunately is spread toward the Pacific Ocean,
and as you know, the campus is situated right on
the coastline there overlooking the Pacific Ocean, and we had
to issue a shelter and place order. It's really the
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best course of action for our community in complete coordination
with La County Fire. Hats off to them for keeping
us safe and ensuring that we were out of harm's way,
but certainly the fires flames were very close to our campus,
even some spot fires really close to our shelter and
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place location. So it was quite a night. So that
we're so grateful for our first responders and also to
our own community who responded so well. We communicated in
every way possible, whether that was email or text or
phone call or even knocking on doors to make sure
that people were out of harm's way and we were
able to get them to the center of campus.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We won't keep you long.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I know you probably have not slept, but when you
see those images from inside the library, what was that
like overnight? It must have been a very tense situation
for you.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
It was we you know, unfortunately we uh we live
in uh you know, a place where we are susceptible
to to brush fires, and so we've done a lot
of work to prepare the campus. We've cleared brush around
the edge of campus. We've uh uh just shrubbery and
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other things in campus to be resilient, uh to to wildfires.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
And of course our.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Buildings are designed and constructed to a stand wildfires.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
So we feel very prepared.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
But nevertheless, when you see flames right outside your window. Uh,
it can really get to you. We're just so proud
of how ours responded though. They were really resilient uh
and were response quest it Sube. We even saw them
gathering and playing together, or just some of them broke
out a guitar and started playing music. It was really
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amazing to see how our students were able to just
process this and to keep their heads about themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I remember covering I think you were hit by three
fires two thousand and seven, two thousand and six, two
thousand and seven around there, And I remember going to
Pepperdine and there are students that evacuated to that massive
grassy knoll and we're doing just what you described. There's
just like this coming cool collected nature there. It seemed
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like as the fire was burning around it.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Oh, we lost them. Oh there you are.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Hey, I'm here, Mike for students who may have evacuated
campus last night. They got the warnings and they just
took off. Should they stay away from campus? What are
you telling those students?
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Yeah, we certainly want them to put their safety first.
And so you know, there are a lot of road
closures in the area. We know that the winds will continue.
Although they may be dying down in the near future,
there's still a real risk to fires sparking. So we
want our community to know that safety is really first
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and we want them to stay out of harm's way.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
We want our community to stay off the roads.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
That allows the first responders to deal with spot fires
that may be as a result of the embers that
have been burning.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
So it's really important that we put the community.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
First and their safety.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
That's why we canceled classes.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Students will not be doing their final day and we're
we're going to reassess and look for a way to
help them finish out the semester and complete their coursework.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
But today is not that day. We're going to make
sure that the campus is.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Safe and that our residents are out of harm's way.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And then just finally, cal Fire has a map out
that shows sort of the general boundaries of where it
has burned, and it looks like it's right up to
campus there on the east side. Is there any damage
to campus minor as it might be.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
We're thankful that we've received little to no damage. There
may be a little bit of damage on one of
the buildings, but largely we've escaped the fire.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
The you know, just hats.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Off to the first responders, to our folks who work
closely at La County Fire who who really were so
instrumental in keeping a fire at bay and protecting really
the whole area of Malibu. I mean, they were all
over the Just so grateful for them and the close
coordination to ensure that, you know, three thousand plus of
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our community, our students, our faculty, and staff were out
of harm's way.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Mike Friel, thank you so much. Enjoy some rest maybe tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And if you need information about Pepperdine, by the way,
you can go to Pepperdine dot edu. There's information right
there on their homepage. But there's also I mean there's
the beautiful vista picture of the country club version of
Pepperdine that's there.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Is there another version?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, well, I mean the you know hell fire that
we saw. The library knows a bunch of stories that
we're find. We will follow the fire as it continues
to grow. Ministers in the government in Sweden are looking
at imposing age limits on social media platforms, but not
necessarily because of what you think.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
They said.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
There's been a there's been a wave of gang crime
that has led Sweden recording the most deadly shootings per
capita in all of Europe, a reverse from just two
decades ago when they had the fewest.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They said.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Among the last two years, Swedish police of the gangs
have been using social media platforms as digital marketplaces to
recruit anonymous teenagers, in some cases as young as eleven,
to commit murders and bombings in Sweden and elsewhere in
the Nordic countries.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Why what's their motivation?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
No, I just get I don't know. Gangs, immigrant gangs.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, they must be immigrant gangs, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But not because of the mental I mean, obviously that's
part of the mental trauma that social media can cause
for kids.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
But they're talking about preventing violence.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Interesting, Luigi MANGIONI, wow, I have never seen social media
come alive in the form of sleuthing as I have
with this story. It seems like there are so many
people that were doing what I was doing yesterday, just
immediately digging into this guy, finding out everything you could
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find out. And there was just so much information that
trickled out all day and overnight about this guy. Because
he had such an auspicious start to life. It seems
like it came from a great family, well to do,
went to the exclusive schools ivy leagues. He served as
a head counselor at a pre college program at Stanford.
(23:17):
He just seemed to be on track to become a
very successful person. Instead, about six months ago, he stopped
contacting friends and family. They say, as you mentioned, he
had been suffering from this painful back injury and went dark.
In July, one of his friends tagged him on social
(23:39):
media and said, you made commitments to me for my wedding,
and if you can't honor them, I need to know
so I can plan accordingly.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He hadn't heard from him in months.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
One of the reports in the New York Times is
that he suffered that back injury or it was aggravated
while he was surfing in Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
R J.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Martin lived with the guy for about six months and
said he knew that dating and being physically intimate because
of his back condition condition was not possible.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
That he had spondelo. I can't say it, hey, Garyan Shannon.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
It's bondolo like thesis.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Spondal bondalo lie thesis for one burder.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Base slipping over the other, putting pressure on his final court.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yes, so if that also causes nerve damage, which it can. Uh,
it could have affected his sexual performance.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Could it affected his brain chemistry?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I think that would? I think I don't think that
that injury would. I think dealing with the injury and
the and the idea of chronic pain like that would
be debilitating to some.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
People, they say.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The people who know him say that he was particularly smart,
perhaps the smartest at his elite private school. In high school.
Even before college, he had already made a mobile app
where users could fly a paper airplane through obstacles. He
said he was social, he was friendly, never particularly political, ambitious,
(25:08):
and had a huge interest in computer science toward college
that he was a big believer in the power of
technology to change the world, but then started reposting unibomber
type quotes. Who was opposed to technology?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Anti technology or at least anti too much technology? And
one of the things that we talked about yesterday which
seemed to be the breaking point for this guy, I
shouldn't that's not the right word. It seemed to be
a delineation for him. Was technology up to a point,
but when you start getting into artificial intelligence, it's detrimental
to human health. And he talked about the lack of
(25:44):
human connection between people because we were relying so much
on technology outside of what we need it for. We
were using it for entertainment, we were using it for relationship,
and that's not what it was designed for, or in
his mind, it should not be used for. So mentioned
this yesterday. He came from all kinds of money. His family.
His grandfather Nick Senior, and his grandmother Mary purchased a
(26:08):
country club in Alicott City, Maryland in the seventies, and
then they bought the Hayfields Country Club in Hunt Valley, Maryland.
They found The family also founded a nursing home company,
Lewis Mangioni. This guy's father became an owner there, and
the family owned a radio station which has politically conservative programs.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
They have a bunch of other real estate holdings.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And you mentioned again this cousin, Nino Mangioni, is an
elected member of the Maryland House of Delegates.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So he was living in this co living space in Honolulu,
and he did talk about the back injury, the painful
back issues that a spine was misaligned, as you mentioned
that the lower vertebrae were almost a half inch off,
and they said that he did not make a habit
of complaining, he did not seem to be on any
(26:58):
particular pain medication, but that yes, he did make mention
about not having to live this normal lifestyle in terms
of being physically intimate. He left that co living space
after six months to return to the East Coast, where
he told his friends he was planning to see his doctor.
He returned to Honolulu afterward, rent in an apartment in
(27:19):
the same neighborhood, and then he left in the in
the summer of last year, they thought for presumably for
an operation on his back, and then August the friends
check in via text and he sends back pictures of
that back surgery.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
They said they were jarring.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And apparently they said, well, how are you feeling, and
he wrote back, Luigi DIDs it did? So long story.
Will fill you in in person back in Hawaii as
soon as I can. I have to figure out some
spine stuff here first, and then it just seems like
things went off the rails.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
This is a whole lot of information that we're getting
in about this guy. So we'll talk more about it
a little bit later in the show as well. About
ten thirty hour time is when he is expected to
be in court for an extradition hearing to send him
back to New York, where he's already been charged with murder.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
It was a two hundred and sixty two word handwritten
document that begins with him taking responsibly responsibility for the
murder that they found on him. And in one part
of this manifesto, I guess he said that the parasites
had it coming, that the murder had to be done.
(28:34):
I'm sorry for any trauma, but it had to be done. Frankly,
these parasites had a coming, all right. We'll talk more
about that a little bit later in the show. We
also have a bunch of other stuff coming up, including
a revenge quitting people quitting out of revenge.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
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