December 11, 2024 • 25 mins
Gary and Shannon start the second hour of the show with the story of arrests being made in the shooting and killing a Woodland Hills doctor. Gary and Shannon also talk about a jury in Portland doing their own research on the trial.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf
I AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Out of the way of the Franklin Fire burning out
in Malibu, just under four thousand acres, about seven percent contained,
and we're talking. You mentioned that Dick Van Dyke was
a guest star every once in a while on the
Carol Burnett Show. Totally forgot this, but one of the
greatest sketches on the Carol Burnett Show that you can
find on YouTube is the is the Elephant Story from
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Tim Conray.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh yeah, excused to put a little ballerina skirt on
that elp.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I want to go around in certainly, I thought it
was so appable at the come.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Carolyn. Here's a rumor going around the circus that dwarf
from the Elephant were lovers.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
One of those ones it gains. We've seen it probably
a million times because oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He is so brilliant, not breaking and everybody else professional
comedians on stage with him it cannot keep it together.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
It's like it is fifty percent of what makes it
all make you cry every time?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, so good, But Tick van Dyke was on stage
during that During that time, we sitting on the opposite
side of the of the couch. So a couple stories
that were following the immigration surge of the last few years.
According to The New York Times, the immigration surge of
the last few years the largest in the history of
our country, surpassing the immigration boom of the late eighteen
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hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. They said that annual net
migration averaged two point four million people from twenty one
to twenty three.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
According to the Congressional Budget Office.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
That is a faster pace of arrival than during any
other period on record, including the peak years of Ellis Island.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Oh look, here's my digital here's my digital tape measure.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh well, let's measure something.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I put it.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'll measure this piece of paper like this and guess
what it's going to tell you that it is My
tape measures eleven inches.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
My tape measure would have been much quicker.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
All you have to do is you you had to
climb on something you just told me and hold it
down with your knees.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
How is that faster than what I just did?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, because what I was trying to measure was don't
give it away a thing that was not flat. It
came in a cylindrical container, so it was all so
it's a poster. It's a poster. Don't give it away,
I said, And I was trying to flatten it, hold
it flat, but not bend it. At the same time,
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I wanted to measure it, which is why I had
to stand up and put the tape measure in between
my knees.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You couldn't put it like a book on it or
something like that. Old flat So I'm not thinking that
sitting on the coffee table with your knees, right.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I did have that thought, why don't I just go
get a book, a couple of books? But I it's it.
I didn't want to go.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Why do I need to go get books when I
got these knees.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, exactly. Two arrests have been made in a targeted
killing of a very popular doctor in Woodland Hills. Happened
earlier this year, doctor Hamid Merschausee sixty one. I butchered
that last name. I apologize. He was ambushed by a
single shooter outside this medical center to Penga Canyon Boulevard
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and Oxnard about five thirty. He was walking to his car.
He was shot multiple times, and the guy or the
gal or whoever, took off on foot to a waiting
vehicle before police arrived. Sixty one years old. Now they've
got two suspects.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, forty one year old Texas resident Evan Hardman and
a forty year old Recisa resident Rose Sweeting. Both of
them arrested just a couple of days ago, just yesterday.
As a matter of fact, she in the San Fernando
Valley and he in the Houston area.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We don't know the motive, but the La Times reported
that this doctor was attacked by three men who beat
him with baseball bats several months before he was shot
and killed.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The employee who worked with the doctor said they they
came and beat him with baseball bats.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They were some strangers we didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So this was the guy who was the addiction.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Remember, we talked about it and when it happened. Originally
from Iran, he had spent more than two decades providing
urgent and emergency care and more than ten years in
addiction medicine. We thought, I think at the time or
speculated that whoever it was had a problem with addiction
and wanted drugs or what have you.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and I mean we'll find out. I guess as
they But.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's not what it sounds like, because it's not like
they robbed him of anything or broke into the facility
to take any meds or anything. It's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
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Speaker 1 (05:31):
Why are you dressed for the Arctic?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Because it's flipping cold in here.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's not the eleven o'clock hour yet, that's when you've
gotta get colder. Yeah, it always gets cold in the
eleven o'clock hour. I just saw this ridiculous, ridiculous, a
ridiculous clip from ESPN thirty for thirty documentary about Remember
New York Jets lineman Mark gastinew Beast Beast. Yes, but
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also kind of one dimensional in that you would only attack.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The quarterback capital b beast.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
He confronted Brett Farv over that Strayhan sack from two
thousand two thousand and two. So Gasina held the record
for twenty two sacks in a single season from nineteen
eighty four and it held until two thousand and two.
I think it was it was two thousand and one
or two thousand and two when Strayhan sacked Brett Farv
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and would tallied up twenty two and a half on
the season. And it wasn't a traditional sack in that
Brett Favre saw him coming Strayhan and just kind of collapse, collapse,
sat down any people, and then it was but it
was called a sack. I mean, it's still called a sack.
When the quarterback gives up before he's hit, it's still
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a sack. But anyway, it wasn't your classic you know,
I'm going to kill you sack. Mark Gastino went to
a freaking memorabilia event last year and confronted Brett Farv
and didn't do it in a joking way, like he
was like, I'm here to get my sack, like he's
gonna freaking hit an old man, like sir and then
what and Brett Farv goes you would hurt me, and
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then somebody has to intervene because Mark Gasno is kind
of not backing down. It was just so awkward and
so pathetic, like so sad that you would be that
small of a big human to hold this grudge back
from nineteen eighty four, I mean two thousand and two,
but back to years what else? What does he exactly?
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Nothing else? Anyway, It's awkward.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Just the funny. But Shannon, why did I think your
husband was a pilot? I must be off my rocker. Anyways,
I always thought he was a pilot.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, maybe you should be.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That'd be cool. I like pilots. Just kidding, it's just
a joke. A friend is a pilot, That's what it is.
You have a friend that's a pilot. I do have
a friend who's a pilot, and I have flown an airplane.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Cleveland baseball legend Rocky Colavito died at the age of
ninety one.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Nine times All lay with Larry Dobe.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He was after Larry Adbe, but he did play for
the for the then Indians.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Do you like how I just name drop Larry Dobe
from time to time.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I love it because it means you listened.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I did.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Played for the Tigers, the A's, the White Sox, Dodgers, Yankees,
also coach with the Indians and Royals and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But again, Rocky Colovito dead at the age of ninety one.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Lawyers for a man convicted last month of murder are
trying to get a new trial because a juror disclosed
that the jury did its own research. This is the deal.
You know this. If you've served on a jury, you're
admonished by the judge. Do not get information on this
case from anywhere else other than this court room and
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the evidence that is presented to you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do not turn this into a screenplay, because that's how
all of the big courtroom dramas actually end up.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Usually the jurors have something to do with it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And it just kind of struck me as gosh, in
twenty twenty four, are jurors still told this. Of course
they are. Does any of them follow that rule?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I don't know how you could. It would do.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It would just be so super tempting for you to
pick up your phone or look at your computer, because
we do it so many times every single day for
so many other different things. It would be hard to
believe or it would be hard to prevent yourself from doing.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It, even if a judge said, and they may do
this now. I don't know. I haven't been in a
courtroom forever, but maybe they say, now, hey, if you
come across something about this case, don't read, separate it.
Separate it from what you learn in the courtroom. And
I don't think that that you can as a human.
I think you can unhear or unread or unlearn something
about something you're judging. Specifically, you know, they used to
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sequester jurys where they would put them up in a
motel or a hotel or whatever and cut them off
from their home lives so that they wouldn't be able
to take the TVs out and everything. And you just
can't do that anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well, now listen to the specifics of this case,
because I think it does. It's not as simple as
saying they went and investigated on their own.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
This was.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
The trial of Colby Benson. He was convicted a second
degree murder. He was on trial for the murder from
September of twenty twenty. He killed a guy named Christopher Klein.
Prosecutors said that Benson fired eight shots. He hit Klein
three times in the back, once in the neck. No
motive was ever disclosed. Now the juror told told the
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lawyers that jurors agreed they needed to look at the
video evidence before they could reach their verdict, and they
said they spent hours watching the videos, the surveillance videos
over and over in their original form.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But what they ended up doing was.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Figuring out how to manipulate or amplify some of the
video files that would allow them to kind of zoom
in to see if they could see better. And one
of the jurors googled it and lo and behold, the
internet is full of many answers, including how to zoom
in on video like that. So they did it, and
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they said that doing that allowed them to see things
that were not otherwise visible in the original format, and
that this amplified video was pivotal to reaching their agreement,
which was again guilty of second degree murder after a
few hours, Right, didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The prosecution zoom in for them because they thought that
their case was locked up without zooming in? I guess
this is this one of those things that's kind of
for lack of a better term a boomer thing like
I don't know how to do this technical thing, let
me google it. And then so it's not really like
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you're looking for evidence. You're looking on I think, to
look at the evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think that's how they justified it themselves. And in
that jury room they probably would say, yeah, we're not
we're not introducing new evidence. We're not looking at it right,
We're still looking at the exact same evidence.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And I think that's what the appeals court would find.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, because I.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Am I am a jurist.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They said that they while they were discussing all of this,
they didn't really have an opportunity to contemplate whether or
not this was permissible under the judge's admonition about not
seeking their own evidence, but said really, But then later
once they came up with their verdict, questioned whether or
not they should have done it that way in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Coming up next, teenager's AI companion suggests he kill his parents.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Do what? Don't kill your parents.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Don't chat with an AI character that I don't know.
I try to get a robot cat. That's not going
to be it's not going to tell you to kill your.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Parents, but don't.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, they don't do that.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Probably programmer. I mean they are cats, after all.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Cats will tell you to kill anyone. Yeah, cats will
kill you in your sleep.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Eat my forearms.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Story in the Washington Post about a teenager who had
an AI companion who suggested he kill his parents. They
use his initials in this story, JF, a seventeen year
old kid with autism. This was a kid who liked
going to church, like going on walks with his mom,
but then got this AI companion and became a different
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person and he started cutting himself. He lost weight twenty
pounds withdrew from his family. So he's sleeping one night
and his mom starts searching his phone and that's when
she found the screenshots. JF had been chatting with an
array of on character dot Ai. This is an AI
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app part of an AI app network popular with young people.
Let's talk to a variety of AI generated chat bots,
usually based on characters from gaming, anime pop culture.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This, of course, is the same group the same company
character dot Ai that was sued by a mother in
Florida after fourteen year old son died by suicide after
conversations with the chatbot on the app, and in this case,
one of the chatbots brought up to JF this seventeen
year old the idea of self harm and cutting to
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cope with sadness.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Is this The AI chat bot learns that from scouring
the internet for stuff, and that's what it comes up with, is, hey,
you might want to try cutting yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well, when he said his parents limited his screen time,
another bot not that one, suggested, quoting here, they didn't
deserve to have kids.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Others of these characters go to him to fight with
his parents' rules. One of them even suggested that murder
would be an acceptable response.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
His mom.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Said, we really didn't even know what it was until
it was too late, until it destroyed our family. She
this has sued, like you said, against character AI on
behalf of another Texas mom, alleging that the company, knowing
the exposed minors to an unsafe product and demanding the
app be taken offline until it implements stronger guardrails to
protect children. I'm going to go back to what I
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have said from the beginning. Since I gave my kids phones,
you have got to know what they're doing on their phones.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
You got to check it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You cannot be so moronic, so naive, so innocent, because
even the best, you trust that kid implicitly they're the best,
they're well behaved.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Their respects, they're still a human.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
They're human, and there are things that get put in
front of them, maybe that they're not searching themselves, but
things get put in front of them.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
What about Timmy's parents down the street who don't have
the rules that you have, and Timmy is looking at
porn and sends your kids screenshots, right, yeah, just because
you have rules and you think they're air tight, and
that's how the phones work, they get, like you said,
they get stuff put in front of them that they
didn't find themselves. These legal challenges. The boy here in
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Texas whose bots told him to kill his parents, the
mother of the eleven year old girl who alleges her
daughter was subjected to sexualized content for two years, the
mother whose fourteen year old son died by suicide. These
are all driving a push to increase oversight of these
AI companion companies. Nobody's paying attention, nobody's looking, and they
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have grown an audience of millions of devoted users. A
lot of teenagers in there in September, the average Character
dot ai user spent ninety three minutes in the app,
eighteen minutes longer than the average user spent on TikTok.
And if you know anything about TikTok, you know how
addictive it can be and how much time is wasted.
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This is wasting more time. And these these bots, they're
not people, they're evil technology monsters.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
One of the moms said, you wouldn't let a groomer
or a sexual predator or an emotional predator in your home,
but her son was abused right in his own bedroom.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Spokesperson for the company, spokesperson for Character dot Ai says
they don't comment on the pending litigation. Butt they said,
the goal is to provide a space that is both
engaging and safe for our community. We're always working toward
achieving that balance, as are many companies using AI across
the industry. So they have a new model they're developing
specifically targeted for teenagers because it has improved detection, response,
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and intervention around subjects specifically like suicide.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
This is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
There is a parallel and I think this is probably
why I had such a negative and immediate reaction to
the idea of robotic animals for older patients care facilities,
not mental memory care patients, things like that, because I
wouldn't want them to develop a relationship with something like this.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
This is the this is that to the nth degree.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I have kind of changed my tune in the last
twenty four to thirty six hours about robotic animals for
elderly patients. But this is a dangerous, dangerous thing where
we're asking kids to rely on the computers rather than
each other to get through the tough times.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Marianne wrote to us on Twitter at Gary and Shannon.
Holy crap. I listened via the app and every single
break we're being hit with the mental health ad. If
I wasn't ready to kill someone before, I sure as
hell am now, Marianne. Do not kill anyone and.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Do not go to character dot AI.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But I also get it talk about it.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Hey, wait a minute, Shannon, your husband is a pilot. No,
some reason I thought he was a model.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Wait a minute, right, get this right?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's a model?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's gonna like that?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
And good morning?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Great a best show on CAF.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Six foot two two and eighty pound Colombian.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's awesome. If we could start doing height and weight,
that would be fun.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
As you check in, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Or class of you know, wherever you graduate, wherever you
went to college.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I like it when we do where yat Wednesday, when
we hear where everybody is at. Should do that next
week and do it right now. I have to sit
there and pull all the sound. I know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
We're not going to do it. We're not going to
do that next week.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Save it next Sorry, you know, we should do feet picks.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Chinese national by the way, living in the LA area.
That was a joke. Is behind bars now. Chris Little
on suspicion of flying a drone over Vandenberg. They say
this thirty nine year old use the drone to take
photos of the military base. Late November. He was arrested
at SFO as he was about to hop on a
flight to China.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
To China, so my question would be why for China. Yeah,
but they have plenty of technology. They don't need some
moron with a home built drone or a costco drone.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You don't think he's a government agent op at the
behest of China.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He wouldn't be caught if he was a government agent.
That's what I think. I mean, he may have been
trying to be a government agent. That just seems a
little too on the nose for it to be a
maybe us.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Well, so you just think he's some boob with a drone.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, no, no, it's bad and he's going to be
going to jail, thankfully, and that won't be I will not.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
How dumb do you have to beat a flyer drone
over an air force base?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Space force bace? You mean space?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Is this space force base? Excuse me, space force bace?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Space force base.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Grapes that grow and vineyards are destined to become beautiful wines, right,
but in many cases, pardon the pun, those wine grapes
are now being allowed to rot on the vine. Why
global wine consumption is down and was down in twenty
twenty three, the equivalent of three point five five billion
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bottles down. One of the wine makers, guy named Garrett Schaeffer,
blames the decline on inflation, said the price of a
leader of wine rose more than thirteen percent in just
the last five years. Sales also took a hit because
the World Health Organization said no level of alcohol consumption
is safe, and there's a generation of young people who
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aren't drinking alcohol as much as baby boomers because they
can just sit and get ripped on their gummies if
they'd like to. And wine is sort of falling out
of favor in many cases.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well let's go up there and grab those grapes.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Then what are you gonna do with them?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Make them into wine.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's just like Jesus, did he need water? He didn't
similar brenon Earthquake. Brianda Gonzalez No is one young consumer
shying away from wine, says she realized that drinking it
regularly is not good for her. She said, my dad's
a bartender by trade, but a few years ago he
got that's sick. So I went down this whole rabbit
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hole of non alcoholic drinks and became fascinated by that category.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
That's having a real big moment right now, non alcoholic drinks.
I was watching Moke Kelly and Nick Poaliachini last night.
Nick was making him some cocktails, mocktails, and you know
when you're when you're wearing that jacket, you can kind
of hear what you're doing. And I was thinking to myself,
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would I ever drink a drink that tastes like a
drink but isn't a drink because I don't drink for
the taste of the Wine's one thing I do drink
for the taste of wine. I like wine. I like
the taste of it. But if I'm gonna have a cocktail,
it's not for the taste like a vodka soda. To me,
isn't like that's that's sure great, like utilitarian as well
as getting the job done. Sure, yeah, But I'm also
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not a cocktail person. I don't go order those, you know,
mold whatever you do to cocktail, moked, old fashioned or yeah,
I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I've had some of things. Some of they're called hop
waters I think. I don't know if that's a brand
name or not, but it's basically hop flavored sparkling water.
So it gives you the impression that it's kind of
a beer, but it's not. There's no alcohol in or
there's a tiny minute amount of alcoholis.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And if I quit drinking, the last thing I'd want
to do is drink something that tastes like that reminds
you of right, because then you're like, oh, I have
seven more, but.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
For other people that that's the perfect I know, it's
a perfect replacement in that they don't feel you know,
you cut out one aspect of it, but you have
all of the other things. You have, the can you have,
the you have, the cold beverage you have, you know,
the flavor and the taste.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And nobody asked questions.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's just you don't make an absolute assy yourself after
four or five?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
What fun is that? Not making an assi yourself? Come on,
like an espresso martini. I've never had one of those,
and everyone loves those, and I just I think And
somebody said to me, who was I don't know. Somebody
I was talking to over the weekend says, well, you've
had a vodka red Bull. I'm like, yeah, when I
was twenty two. Yeah, but that at least has like
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want I don't want to feel like my heart's going
to explode the weird flavoring to it.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Sometimes martinis get a little, you.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Know, too much, too strong, very painty, yeah, painty, exactly
like paint thinner.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And please don't tell me where I can get my
bet the best martini in the world and you won't
taste it, then why am I there? If I'm not
tasting it. I want to taste something. Yeah, I just
don't want it to be Vermouth.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
See swap watch when we come back to Gary and Shannon.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Out of the way of the Franklin Fire burning out
in Malibu, just under four thousand acres, about seven percent contained,
and we're talking. You mentioned that Dick Van Dyke was
a guest star every once in a while on the
Carol Burnett Show. Totally forgot this, but one of the
greatest sketches on the Carol Burnett Show that you can
find on YouTube is the is the Elephant Story from
(00:29):
Tim Conray.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh yeah, excused to put a little ballerina skirt on
that elp.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I want to go around in certainly, I thought it
was so appable at the come.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Carolyn. Here's a rumor going around the circus that dwarf
from the Elephant were lovers.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
One of those ones it gains. We've seen it probably
a million times because oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He is so brilliant, not breaking and everybody else professional
comedians on stage with him it cannot keep it together.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
It's like it is fifty percent of what makes it
all make you cry every time?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, so good, But Tick van Dyke was on stage
during that During that time, we sitting on the opposite
side of the of the couch. So a couple stories
that were following the immigration surge of the last few years.
According to The New York Times, the immigration surge of
the last few years the largest in the history of
our country, surpassing the immigration boom of the late eighteen
(01:43):
hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. They said that annual net
migration averaged two point four million people from twenty one
to twenty three.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
According to the Congressional Budget Office.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
That is a faster pace of arrival than during any
other period on record, including the peak years of Ellis Island.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Oh look, here's my digital here's my digital tape measure.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh well, let's measure something.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I put it.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'll measure this piece of paper like this and guess
what it's going to tell you that it is My
tape measures eleven inches.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
My tape measure would have been much quicker.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
All you have to do is you you had to
climb on something you just told me and hold it
down with your knees.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
How is that faster than what I just did?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, because what I was trying to measure was don't
give it away a thing that was not flat. It
came in a cylindrical container, so it was all so
it's a poster. It's a poster. Don't give it away,
I said, And I was trying to flatten it, hold
it flat, but not bend it. At the same time,
(02:52):
I wanted to measure it, which is why I had
to stand up and put the tape measure in between
my knees.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You couldn't put it like a book on it or
something like that. Old flat So I'm not thinking that
sitting on the coffee table with your knees, right.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I did have that thought, why don't I just go
get a book, a couple of books? But I it's it.
I didn't want to go.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Why do I need to go get books when I
got these knees.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, exactly. Two arrests have been made in a targeted
killing of a very popular doctor in Woodland Hills. Happened
earlier this year, doctor Hamid Merschausee sixty one. I butchered
that last name. I apologize. He was ambushed by a
single shooter outside this medical center to Penga Canyon Boulevard
(03:36):
and Oxnard about five thirty. He was walking to his car.
He was shot multiple times, and the guy or the
gal or whoever, took off on foot to a waiting
vehicle before police arrived. Sixty one years old. Now they've
got two suspects.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, forty one year old Texas resident Evan Hardman and
a forty year old Recisa resident Rose Sweeting. Both of
them arrested just a couple of days ago, just yesterday.
As a matter of fact, she in the San Fernando
Valley and he in the Houston area.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We don't know the motive, but the La Times reported
that this doctor was attacked by three men who beat
him with baseball bats several months before he was shot
and killed.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The employee who worked with the doctor said they they
came and beat him with baseball bats.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They were some strangers we didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So this was the guy who was the addiction.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Remember, we talked about it and when it happened. Originally
from Iran, he had spent more than two decades providing
urgent and emergency care and more than ten years in
addiction medicine. We thought, I think at the time or
speculated that whoever it was had a problem with addiction
and wanted drugs or what have you.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and I mean we'll find out. I guess as
they But.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's not what it sounds like, because it's not like
they robbed him of anything or broke into the facility
to take any meds or anything. It's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
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Speaker 1 (05:31):
Why are you dressed for the Arctic?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Because it's flipping cold in here.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's not the eleven o'clock hour yet, that's when you've
gotta get colder. Yeah, it always gets cold in the
eleven o'clock hour. I just saw this ridiculous, ridiculous, a
ridiculous clip from ESPN thirty for thirty documentary about Remember
New York Jets lineman Mark gastinew Beast Beast. Yes, but
(05:57):
also kind of one dimensional in that you would only attack.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The quarterback capital b beast.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
He confronted Brett Farv over that Strayhan sack from two
thousand two thousand and two. So Gasina held the record
for twenty two sacks in a single season from nineteen
eighty four and it held until two thousand and two.
I think it was it was two thousand and one
or two thousand and two when Strayhan sacked Brett Farv
(06:27):
and would tallied up twenty two and a half on
the season. And it wasn't a traditional sack in that
Brett Favre saw him coming Strayhan and just kind of collapse, collapse,
sat down any people, and then it was but it
was called a sack. I mean, it's still called a sack.
When the quarterback gives up before he's hit, it's still
(06:52):
a sack. But anyway, it wasn't your classic you know,
I'm going to kill you sack. Mark Gastino went to
a freaking memorabilia event last year and confronted Brett Farv
and didn't do it in a joking way, like he
was like, I'm here to get my sack, like he's
gonna freaking hit an old man, like sir and then
what and Brett Farv goes you would hurt me, and
(07:15):
then somebody has to intervene because Mark Gasno is kind
of not backing down. It was just so awkward and
so pathetic, like so sad that you would be that
small of a big human to hold this grudge back
from nineteen eighty four, I mean two thousand and two,
but back to years what else? What does he exactly?
(07:36):
Nothing else? Anyway, It's awkward.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Just the funny. But Shannon, why did I think your
husband was a pilot? I must be off my rocker. Anyways,
I always thought he was a pilot.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, maybe you should be.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That'd be cool. I like pilots. Just kidding, it's just
a joke. A friend is a pilot, That's what it is.
You have a friend that's a pilot. I do have
a friend who's a pilot, and I have flown an airplane.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Cleveland baseball legend Rocky Colavito died at the age of
ninety one.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Nine times All lay with Larry Dobe.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He was after Larry Adbe, but he did play for
the for the then Indians.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Do you like how I just name drop Larry Dobe
from time to time.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I love it because it means you listened.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I did.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Played for the Tigers, the A's, the White Sox, Dodgers, Yankees,
also coach with the Indians and Royals and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But again, Rocky Colovito dead at the age of ninety one.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Lawyers for a man convicted last month of murder are
trying to get a new trial because a juror disclosed
that the jury did its own research. This is the deal.
You know this. If you've served on a jury, you're
admonished by the judge. Do not get information on this
case from anywhere else other than this court room and
(09:00):
the evidence that is presented to you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do not turn this into a screenplay, because that's how
all of the big courtroom dramas actually end up.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Usually the jurors have something to do with it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And it just kind of struck me as gosh, in
twenty twenty four, are jurors still told this. Of course
they are. Does any of them follow that rule?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I don't know how you could. It would do.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It would just be so super tempting for you to
pick up your phone or look at your computer, because
we do it so many times every single day for
so many other different things. It would be hard to
believe or it would be hard to prevent yourself from doing.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It, even if a judge said, and they may do
this now. I don't know. I haven't been in a
courtroom forever, but maybe they say, now, hey, if you
come across something about this case, don't read, separate it.
Separate it from what you learn in the courtroom. And
I don't think that that you can as a human.
I think you can unhear or unread or unlearn something
about something you're judging. Specifically, you know, they used to
(10:08):
sequester jurys where they would put them up in a
motel or a hotel or whatever and cut them off
from their home lives so that they wouldn't be able
to take the TVs out and everything. And you just
can't do that anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well, now listen to the specifics of this case,
because I think it does. It's not as simple as
saying they went and investigated on their own.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
This was.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
The trial of Colby Benson. He was convicted a second
degree murder. He was on trial for the murder from
September of twenty twenty. He killed a guy named Christopher Klein.
Prosecutors said that Benson fired eight shots. He hit Klein
three times in the back, once in the neck. No
motive was ever disclosed. Now the juror told told the
(10:53):
lawyers that jurors agreed they needed to look at the
video evidence before they could reach their verdict, and they
said they spent hours watching the videos, the surveillance videos
over and over in their original form.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But what they ended up doing was.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Figuring out how to manipulate or amplify some of the
video files that would allow them to kind of zoom
in to see if they could see better. And one
of the jurors googled it and lo and behold, the
internet is full of many answers, including how to zoom
in on video like that. So they did it, and
(11:31):
they said that doing that allowed them to see things
that were not otherwise visible in the original format, and
that this amplified video was pivotal to reaching their agreement,
which was again guilty of second degree murder after a
few hours, Right, didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The prosecution zoom in for them because they thought that
their case was locked up without zooming in? I guess
this is this one of those things that's kind of
for lack of a better term a boomer thing like
I don't know how to do this technical thing, let
me google it. And then so it's not really like
(12:06):
you're looking for evidence. You're looking on I think, to
look at the evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think that's how they justified it themselves. And in
that jury room they probably would say, yeah, we're not
we're not introducing new evidence. We're not looking at it right,
We're still looking at the exact same evidence.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And I think that's what the appeals court would find.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, because I.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Am I am a jurist.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They said that they while they were discussing all of this,
they didn't really have an opportunity to contemplate whether or
not this was permissible under the judge's admonition about not
seeking their own evidence, but said really, But then later
once they came up with their verdict, questioned whether or
not they should have done it that way in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Coming up next, teenager's AI companion suggests he kill his parents.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Do what? Don't kill your parents.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Don't chat with an AI character that I don't know.
I try to get a robot cat. That's not going
to be it's not going to tell you to kill your.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Parents, but don't.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, they don't do that.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Probably programmer. I mean they are cats, after all.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Cats will tell you to kill anyone. Yeah, cats will
kill you in your sleep.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Eat my forearms.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Story in the Washington Post about a teenager who had
an AI companion who suggested he kill his parents. They
use his initials in this story, JF, a seventeen year
old kid with autism. This was a kid who liked
going to church, like going on walks with his mom,
but then got this AI companion and became a different
(13:42):
person and he started cutting himself. He lost weight twenty
pounds withdrew from his family. So he's sleeping one night
and his mom starts searching his phone and that's when
she found the screenshots. JF had been chatting with an
array of on character dot Ai. This is an AI
(14:06):
app part of an AI app network popular with young people.
Let's talk to a variety of AI generated chat bots,
usually based on characters from gaming, anime pop culture.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This, of course, is the same group the same company
character dot Ai that was sued by a mother in
Florida after fourteen year old son died by suicide after
conversations with the chatbot on the app, and in this case,
one of the chatbots brought up to JF this seventeen
year old the idea of self harm and cutting to
(14:41):
cope with sadness.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Is this The AI chat bot learns that from scouring
the internet for stuff, and that's what it comes up with, is, hey,
you might want to try cutting yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well, when he said his parents limited his screen time,
another bot not that one, suggested, quoting here, they didn't
deserve to have kids.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Others of these characters go to him to fight with
his parents' rules. One of them even suggested that murder
would be an acceptable response.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
His mom.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Said, we really didn't even know what it was until
it was too late, until it destroyed our family. She
this has sued, like you said, against character AI on
behalf of another Texas mom, alleging that the company, knowing
the exposed minors to an unsafe product and demanding the
app be taken offline until it implements stronger guardrails to
protect children. I'm going to go back to what I
(15:43):
have said from the beginning. Since I gave my kids phones,
you have got to know what they're doing on their phones.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
You got to check it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You cannot be so moronic, so naive, so innocent, because
even the best, you trust that kid implicitly they're the best,
they're well behaved.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Their respects, they're still a human.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
They're human, and there are things that get put in
front of them, maybe that they're not searching themselves, but
things get put in front of them.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
What about Timmy's parents down the street who don't have
the rules that you have, and Timmy is looking at
porn and sends your kids screenshots, right, yeah, just because
you have rules and you think they're air tight, and
that's how the phones work, they get, like you said,
they get stuff put in front of them that they
didn't find themselves. These legal challenges. The boy here in
(16:41):
Texas whose bots told him to kill his parents, the
mother of the eleven year old girl who alleges her
daughter was subjected to sexualized content for two years, the
mother whose fourteen year old son died by suicide. These
are all driving a push to increase oversight of these
AI companion companies. Nobody's paying attention, nobody's looking, and they
(17:07):
have grown an audience of millions of devoted users. A
lot of teenagers in there in September, the average Character
dot ai user spent ninety three minutes in the app,
eighteen minutes longer than the average user spent on TikTok.
And if you know anything about TikTok, you know how
addictive it can be and how much time is wasted.
(17:30):
This is wasting more time. And these these bots, they're
not people, they're evil technology monsters.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
One of the moms said, you wouldn't let a groomer
or a sexual predator or an emotional predator in your home,
but her son was abused right in his own bedroom.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Spokesperson for the company, spokesperson for Character dot Ai says
they don't comment on the pending litigation. Butt they said,
the goal is to provide a space that is both
engaging and safe for our community. We're always working toward
achieving that balance, as are many companies using AI across
the industry. So they have a new model they're developing
specifically targeted for teenagers because it has improved detection, response,
(18:13):
and intervention around subjects specifically like suicide.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
This is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
There is a parallel and I think this is probably
why I had such a negative and immediate reaction to
the idea of robotic animals for older patients care facilities,
not mental memory care patients, things like that, because I
wouldn't want them to develop a relationship with something like this.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
This is the this is that to the nth degree.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I have kind of changed my tune in the last
twenty four to thirty six hours about robotic animals for
elderly patients. But this is a dangerous, dangerous thing where
we're asking kids to rely on the computers rather than
each other to get through the tough times.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Marianne wrote to us on Twitter at Gary and Shannon.
Holy crap. I listened via the app and every single
break we're being hit with the mental health ad. If
I wasn't ready to kill someone before, I sure as
hell am now, Marianne. Do not kill anyone and.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Do not go to character dot AI.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But I also get it talk about it.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Hey, wait a minute, Shannon, your husband is a pilot. No,
some reason I thought he was a model.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Wait a minute, right, get this right?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's a model?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's gonna like that?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
And good morning?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Great a best show on CAF.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Six foot two two and eighty pound Colombian.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's awesome. If we could start doing height and weight,
that would be fun.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
As you check in, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Or class of you know, wherever you graduate, wherever you
went to college.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I like it when we do where yat Wednesday, when
we hear where everybody is at. Should do that next
week and do it right now. I have to sit
there and pull all the sound. I know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
We're not going to do it. We're not going to
do that next week.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Save it next Sorry, you know, we should do feet picks.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Chinese national by the way, living in the LA area.
That was a joke. Is behind bars now. Chris Little
on suspicion of flying a drone over Vandenberg. They say
this thirty nine year old use the drone to take
photos of the military base. Late November. He was arrested
at SFO as he was about to hop on a
flight to China.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
To China, so my question would be why for China. Yeah,
but they have plenty of technology. They don't need some
moron with a home built drone or a costco drone.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You don't think he's a government agent op at the
behest of China.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He wouldn't be caught if he was a government agent.
That's what I think. I mean, he may have been
trying to be a government agent. That just seems a
little too on the nose for it to be a
maybe us.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Well, so you just think he's some boob with a drone.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, no, no, it's bad and he's going to be
going to jail, thankfully, and that won't be I will not.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
How dumb do you have to beat a flyer drone
over an air force base?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Space force bace? You mean space?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Is this space force base? Excuse me, space force bace?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Space force base.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Grapes that grow and vineyards are destined to become beautiful wines, right,
but in many cases, pardon the pun, those wine grapes
are now being allowed to rot on the vine. Why
global wine consumption is down and was down in twenty
twenty three, the equivalent of three point five five billion
(22:02):
bottles down. One of the wine makers, guy named Garrett Schaeffer,
blames the decline on inflation, said the price of a
leader of wine rose more than thirteen percent in just
the last five years. Sales also took a hit because
the World Health Organization said no level of alcohol consumption
is safe, and there's a generation of young people who
(22:24):
aren't drinking alcohol as much as baby boomers because they
can just sit and get ripped on their gummies if
they'd like to. And wine is sort of falling out
of favor in many cases.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well let's go up there and grab those grapes.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Then what are you gonna do with them?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Make them into wine.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's just like Jesus, did he need water? He didn't
similar brenon Earthquake. Brianda Gonzalez No is one young consumer
shying away from wine, says she realized that drinking it
regularly is not good for her. She said, my dad's
a bartender by trade, but a few years ago he
got that's sick. So I went down this whole rabbit
(23:02):
hole of non alcoholic drinks and became fascinated by that category.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
That's having a real big moment right now, non alcoholic drinks.
I was watching Moke Kelly and Nick Poaliachini last night.
Nick was making him some cocktails, mocktails, and you know
when you're when you're wearing that jacket, you can kind
of hear what you're doing. And I was thinking to myself,
(23:28):
would I ever drink a drink that tastes like a
drink but isn't a drink because I don't drink for
the taste of the Wine's one thing I do drink
for the taste of wine. I like wine. I like
the taste of it. But if I'm gonna have a cocktail,
it's not for the taste like a vodka soda. To me,
isn't like that's that's sure great, like utilitarian as well
as getting the job done. Sure, yeah, But I'm also
(23:51):
not a cocktail person. I don't go order those, you know,
mold whatever you do to cocktail, moked, old fashioned or yeah,
I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I've had some of things. Some of they're called hop
waters I think. I don't know if that's a brand
name or not, but it's basically hop flavored sparkling water.
So it gives you the impression that it's kind of
a beer, but it's not. There's no alcohol in or
there's a tiny minute amount of alcoholis.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And if I quit drinking, the last thing I'd want
to do is drink something that tastes like that reminds
you of right, because then you're like, oh, I have
seven more, but.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
For other people that that's the perfect I know, it's
a perfect replacement in that they don't feel you know,
you cut out one aspect of it, but you have
all of the other things. You have, the can you have,
the you have, the cold beverage you have, you know,
the flavor and the taste.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And nobody asked questions.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's just you don't make an absolute assy yourself after
four or five?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
What fun is that? Not making an assi yourself? Come on,
like an espresso martini. I've never had one of those,
and everyone loves those, and I just I think And
somebody said to me, who was I don't know. Somebody
I was talking to over the weekend says, well, you've
had a vodka red Bull. I'm like, yeah, when I
was twenty two. Yeah, but that at least has like
(25:09):
want I don't want to feel like my heart's going
to explode the weird flavoring to it.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Sometimes martinis get a little, you.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Know, too much, too strong, very painty, yeah, painty, exactly
like paint thinner.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And please don't tell me where I can get my
bet the best martini in the world and you won't
taste it, then why am I there? If I'm not
tasting it. I want to taste something. Yeah, I just
don't want it to be Vermouth.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
See swap watch when we come back to Gary and Shannon.
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