February 6, 2025 • 26 mins
Shannon is out today for part two of her root canal, so Gary hosts solo. Gary begins the show with the latest on the storm in Southern California. Gary also has updates on the Trump’s plan for Gaza and the young engineers aiding Elon Musk’s government takeover.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on
the iHeartRadio app. I actually thought it was gonna I
thought today was supposed to be somewhat sunny.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It was sprinkly all morning. See what you get for
thinking that's my problem.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
But by again, by the later this afternoon, there will
be some more showers coming in through southern California. I
don't know if it's going to be stronger, but it
is going to be the same style of storm that
we saw over the last couple of days, with just
some steady rain. Probably dinner time ish tonight through tomorrow
morning is what we're looking at in terms of the rain.
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Yesterday I had the weirdest, uh, the weirdest rain related
car issue. I was driving home and I hit a
puddle on the right side of the car. It was
sort of in the curb there, and it's not a
deep puddle. I've seen it before when it rains, it's
a commonplace for there for a puddle to develop. But
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I hit this puddle and immediately I heard this noise
on the side of the car, and I realized that
something from the puddle had gotten jammed up somewhere in
the wheel well, and it was just kind of making
this noise, not loud, not crazy loud. There's no place
for me to pull over and check it out or
anything like that. But I got all the way too
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close to my house. I pull over in like a
Ralph's parking lot, and I get out of the car,
and I realized that on that side of the car,
the splash from the puddle had ripped a piece of
would you call it molding, plastic molding that is that
runs from the back of the front wheel well just
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along the bottom of the car to the front of
the back wheel well, so it's like what a four
maybe five foot piece of plastic, and it had snapped
off of the front half of that, so it was
kind of bent under itself and was dragging on the roadway.
The whole time it was sticking out, nobody said anything
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to me. I passed all kinds of people stopped at
plenty of stoplights, and nobody did the thing where they're
like pointing at the hey, hey, that thing is.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Hanging off of your car. Nobody cares anymore?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It is it that nobody cares or they they assume
that I know that there's this giant piece of plastic
hanging off of my car.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean, is that nobody cares? I guess, oh, Michelle,
you're so jaded. I would have said something, well, I hope.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So that's the thing is if there's no way to
tell and listen, if I was in another car, if
I saw that on someone else's car and I pull
up next to him and I roll down the window,
even if it's raining, and just go, hey, you got
a thing sticking out. It's dragging on the road there.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And the.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Best thing they could say is, yeah, I know, I'm
going to get it fixed right now.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
If you see somebody with a flat tire, you reach
out and you point, you go, hey, your tire's flat.
Because a lot of people don't know what it feels
like to drive on flat tire these days, because there's
so many sensors in the car, they assume that the
car is going to tell them in their car or
when their tire is flat. It was just as strange
as that I made it all the way home, and
I mean I was driving for a good ten to
fifteen minutes with this thing dragging on the side of
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the car, and I didn't I didn't realize that's what
that was. Easily snapped back into place the car, you
would never be able to tell the difference.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Like it was. It didn't cause any damage.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
There's a couple of scrapes on the bottom of the thing,
but once you snap it back into place, the scrape
side of it actually disappears.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Under the car, so you'll never see it. There's just
if you see somebody with something hanging off of your car,
tell them to tell them you sound like Jimmy Stewart.
My car, my car. Oh just marry. You'll never know.
You'll never guess what happened to you married? My car?
Those falling apart. Nobody told me what am I supposed
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to do? Mary? What do you want? Mary? You want me?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You want to you want to tire that's not flat, Murray,
Just pull it down from the moon and I'll.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Give it to you.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Office space is coming to a government agency near you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What would you say you do here?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I mean there are thousands of government employees who are
sitting at a table across from the bobs and trying
to justify their existence at the bottom of the hour,
we're going to talk more about what's going on with
this Department of Government Efficiency and Elon Musk's plan to
try to trim some of the fat that exists in
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the federal bureaucracy. Why Democrats are so upset about it. Right,
Republicans are letting this guy do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And the team of.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
People he's got a core group of people that he
has I guess deployed, for lack of a better term,
he deployed to take over some of these agencies and
to dig into at least the computer codes that exist
around the Department of the Treasury, the Office of the USAID,
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the CIA. Even so, we'll talk about some of these
literal kids that are involved with the Department of Government
Efficiencies Office of Geek Executives. That's okay, you could change that. Yeah,
I'm sure somebody is probably going to make a T
shirt of that. But nothing, there's nothing inherently wrong with
a twenty year old who is a master coder going
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in and looking at computer codes. I think there's this
impression that you've got twenty year olds with beer cans
and chocolate stains on their T shirts going through and
making decisions about what government agencies and specific workers are
valuable and are not.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
That's not what these guys are doing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But we're going to start with what's going on with
this plan for Gaza. Yesterday we were talking about President
Trump's surprise announcement that he wants to turn Gaza into
the riviw area of them vy era of the or
of the Middle East. I shouldn't say the Mediterranean, since
there is already a riviera there, but the the riviera
of the sorry riviera of the Middle East. I said yesterday,
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he doesn't have a plan for this. He's just spitballing here.
Apparently I was wrong. This is something he's talked about
for months, and in fact may have gotten the idea
from his son in law, Dimple's Kushner. We'll talk about that.
We'll talk about what's going on with Gaza. We got
doze a lot of fire coverage from next hour. There's
a lot of interesting stuff that's coming up about our fires,
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both in Altadena and over in Pacific Palisades. And guests
who sat down with President Trump yesterday, your Governor Gavin Newsom.
We'll talk about that conversation late in the show as well.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I'm glad your co host said it. Yeah, Gary, nobody
cares how many cars you drive by on the highway
that half their front or rear bumper is hanging off.
We don't care because some people are going to take
that as, I don't know, an aggressive move these days,
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So to tell people, huh, I guess just got to
suck it up, brother, I did, and I'm everything's fine, yes.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
But nobody cares what you're having issues with on your car.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Remember you're in California, self centered land.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's a good point. But but why can't Why does
it have to be that way? You can't just point
and say, hey, your your tires flat?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You got something hanging off your car?
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Gary, I live out in Oxnard. Been listening to you
all for years. So I once tried to tell someone
that neither of their break lights were on and we
were at a stop sign. Stop light, excuse me? And
I got screamed at for the entire remaining time of
the red light, because of course I was an idiot
and I should have known that they knew that both
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of their back break lights are out. Period. I will
no longer be notifying people of issues.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Don't let one, you'll get the I'm telling you, if
you roll down your window and try to say something,
people will think you're trying to scream at them, you're
going to get the finger.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I mean, the one guy said that it may be
seen as an act of aggression.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think that's a little bit over it.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Hey, good morning, Gary. You said you're going to talk
about the doge thing. Yes, next, Why are people freaking
out that he wants to have our tax money dwindle
down to where we may get more money in our
pockets or enough throwing it away on other people's needs
somewhere else and not here. I don't understand that for
the life of me. Why American citizens are upset that
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we're looking into our money being spent on foolish things
makes no sense at all.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well, we'll talk about it coming up at the bottom
of the hour. But first we know that President Trump
has said that the United States would somehow take control
of Gaza voluntarily or maybe forcibly, evacuate the two hundred, sorry,
the two million people that live there to other countries
there throughout the Middle East, even though nobody has said
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that they would accept them Benjaminette Yahoo, the Prime Minister
of Israel loves the idea you have to rebuild Gaza.
If you want to rebuild Gaza, you can't have.
Speaker 8 (09:16):
This is the first good idea that I've heard.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
It's a remarkable idea, and I think it should be
really pursued.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And yesterday we were saying, I was saying specifically that
this is not a thought out plan.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
This is just sort of a pie in the sky thing.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's also in terms of negotiations for what the future
of Gaza looks like. It's an opportunity for Trump to
do what he has done in the past and make
a big, bold statement and then use that as the
beginning of whatever negotiation he has in mind.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I said there's no plan to it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Some people are saying there is a plan because he
posted on truth Social today and I quote the Gaza
Strip would be turned over to the United States by
Israel at the conclusion of fighting. The Palestinians would have
already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities
with new and modern homes in the region. They would
actually have a chance to be happy, safe and free.
The US working with great development teams from all over
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the world would slowly and carefully begin the construction of
what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular
developments of its kind on Earth. No soldiers by the
US would be needed. Stability for the stability for the
region would reign. Now that's not a detailed plan, but
it is more than just saying it's going to turn
into the riviera of the Middle East. So there's an
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article in The Telegraph, the London newspaper that says that
this plan is something that's been rattling around his big
brain for some time. About a year ago, Jared Kushner,
first son in law Dimple's Kushner, who in the previous
administration was a Special Envoy to the Middle East, he
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said that he would in the when it comes to
the future of Gaza, look at other places around the
world that have been developed a long coastline like Gaza,
and he said that Gaza possessed very valuable waterfront property
and could become a hub for tourism, that is, if
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the people of Gaza were relocated, at least temporarily out
of the area. Now he's talking in Miami's referring to
the offices of his investment firm, Affinity Partners, and he
said at the time, I'm not sure anybody's talking about it,
but it's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yesterday morning, sorry, Tuesday morning, after Trump talked about the
plans for Gaza, the world was barely talking about anything else.
Monday morning, when he was waiting for Benjamin Nett Yahoo
to arrive White House, Aids told mister Trump that rebuilding
Gaza would take about fifteen years, and Steve Whitkoff, who
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is the new envoy to the Middle East, said, just
the cleanup process, when you're talking about removing debris from
what is it sixteen months of Israeli bombing would take years.
Speaker 9 (12:07):
The disposal effort in Gaza is we estimate three to
five years just to dispose of all the things before
you can look down but believe beneath the surface of
the soil, and then before you get a master plan done.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
By the way, Steve Whitcoff one of the first Western
officials to actually walk through areas of Gaza.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
He did that last week.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
According to Wall Street Journal, Trump told net Yahoo months
ago that the Gaza strip was a prime piece of
real estate and that he should think about what kind
of hotels could be constructed there. So this plan, whatever
it looks like, whatever however it materializes, could potentially just
be like I said the beginning of the negotiation plan,
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that would be his style.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But there are ways, it seems that it could be done. Again.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You've got to get whatever Middle East states, whether it's Jordan, Syria, Egypt,
Saudi Arabia, you've got to get more than just a
couple of them to agree to resettle two million Palestinians.
And no one is on board with that now because,
among other things, taking away Gaza from Palestinians would mean
there is no two state solution, and most of those
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other Middle East states have said that they want a
two state solution. Side note, Benjamin Netanyahu apparently gave the
president a golden pager at this visit this week, a
sort of a nod towards the detonation of those pagers
in the hands of the Hesbalah operatives earlier in the year.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Later later last year, I should say, all right, what
is it you.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Say you do here? The bobs are running amok. When
it comes to the federal government, we'll talk about what
DOJE is. And this team of very young but very
smart young people who are at the center of this
government takeover. It's a little harsh, but this government cleanup,
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that's what we'll call it. Shannon's out today, back tomorrow
for some quick dental work. Economic losses from the fires
they tore through La County could range from ninety five
billion up to one hundred and sixty four billion. This
is a new report from a couple of UCLA economists.
I mean that it would mean that these fires here
in southern California last month would be the second costliest
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natural disaster in history. The Eton Fire and the Palisades
Fire killed at least twenty nine people, burn more than
thirty seven thousand acres, destroyed sixteen thousand structures, including more
than eleven thousand single family homes. And if you're just
talking about the insured losses, they're talking about seventy five
billion dollars. We'll talk next hour a little bit more
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about some of the fire stuff, including what the LAUSD
is going to do to fast track rebuilding some of
the schools, especially over the Palisades area, and then also
the EPA and where they're going to be putting together
a household hazardous waste of facility as they try to
clean out what's left of the palisades. A state of
emergency has been declared on the Greek island of Santorini.
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It's been rattled, we told you, by dozens of earthquakes
over the last several days, but a strong earthquake, a
five point two is the most powerful to have hit
that island in recent weeks. It happened at a depth
of about three miles, and as we know that that's
a pretty good shaker that you could feel pretty well.
Thousands of people have gotten off of the island and
some of the neighboring islands and the GNC because they're
afraid that they a massive earthquake is about to hit
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that could bring a tsunami, even a volcanic eruption. Perhaps, well,
I feel better that I'm not the only one who
would have pointed something out if my car was trailing
a giant piece of plastic.
Speaker 10 (15:49):
Hey gear bear, hey, on the freeway with a car problem, Yeah,
I would have said something. I know a lot of
people really don't care, but I know sometimes.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We both got it. But he was going to be
nice to me, I think, And here it goes.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oje is burrowing into different parts of the government and
trying to root out different waste in the government. And
of course it's the agency, this pseudo government agency that's
led by Elon Musk. We talked about it yesterday in
terms of people bad mouthing Elon Musk because he's a
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billionaire that that somehow means that he doesn't have the
United States best interests at heart. And at the center
of all of what DOGE is doing is a group of.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Kids.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I mean, they're all men legally, but this group of
about six young men, all between the ages of nineteen
and twenty four, they don't have very much, if any,
government experience, and now they're playing critical roles in the
Department of Government Efficiency because the Executive Order says that
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DOGE is tasked with modernizing federal technology and software to
maximize government efficiency and productivity. They all hold jobs with DOGE.
They're all weird job titles, and at least one of
these guys is working completely as a volunteer. So let's
talk about who they are. Akash Boba, Edward Korustein, Luke Farrator,
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Gatti a cole Killian, Gavin Kleiger, and Ethan Shautran Wired
Magazine put together sort of a profile of each of
these guys and to give you an idea of what
it is that they are doing. Akash Bolba went to Berkeley.
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He won the Management, Entrepreneurship and Technology Sorry, he was
in that program. According to a copy of his now
deleted linked in, he was an investment engineering intern at
the Bridgewater Associate's Hedge Fund as of last spring, an
intern at Meta, an intern at Pallenteer also featured guest
on a podcast with Aman Manazer, an engineer who interviews
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engineers about how they land their dream jobs. He talked
about those experiences in a podcast last June.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Edward Corsateam.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
May have just recently graduated from high school and was
to have been enrolled at Northeastern University. According to a
copy of his resume, he spent three months at Neuralink,
which of course is the brain computer interface company that
Elon must put together. Both of these guys are listed
in records as experts at OPM and they report directly
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to Amanda Scales, which is a new chief of staff.
Scales previously worked on talent for Xai, which is the
artificial intelligence company The Elon must put together. Employees at
General Services Administration have said that Corstein has appeared on
calls where workers were made to go over code they
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had written and to justify their jobs, which of course
brings up the old office space meme.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What would you say you do here?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Coursu Teine also added to a call with GSA staff
members using a non government Gmail address, and they were
not given an explanation as to why who he was
or why he was even on the call.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Luke Ferrator, another one of these was working GSA email
has a working GSA email address. A former intern at SpaceX,
currently a Field Fellow, according to his LinkedIn, dropped out
of the UNI Diversity of Nebraska, Lincoln. This is a
guy who, while he was at University of Nebraska Lincoln,
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was part of an award winning team that deciphered portions
of an ancient Greek scholl a scroll using artificial intelligence.
These are not dumb people. We're talking about this Department
of Government Efficiency. What is it actually doing while it's
going through these different agencies?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Hey, Gary, I used to live right across the street
from SpaceX.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Man, he had them kids out there.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Designing that super tunnel. Get down for Dodger Stadium to
downtown Los Angeles or just a whole infrastructure on how
that is. That's what he does, man, you know, and
kids are super smart like that, So I don't see
no problem with the young minds trying to come up
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with new ideals.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, I do know.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
Hey, Gary, if Biden brought Bill Gates and and a
bunch of twenty year olds to do the same thing
Elon Musk is doing with that had been okay, I
don't think so. I don't think it's okay what Elon's doing.
They're not government employees. It just seems wrong and probably
is well.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Listen, when it comes to that, I have been pretty
consistent in that whatever government is needs to be reliant
upon us for permission to do the things it does.
Whether it's a member of Congress, whether it's a member
of a bureaucracy, or whatever it is. We are the
ones that drive the bus. So the more information we
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have about what's going on, I think is a good thing.
And if you agree with or don't agree with whatever
funding exists at USAID or any of these other groups,
then that will determine how you vote for people And
like it or not, whether we voted for him or not,
the guy in the White House is the one who's
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in charge. It was the same thing for Biden, it's
the same thing for Trump. Now, there were a lot
of people who obviously do not like this. What they
refer to us a takeover democracy.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
We're witnessing an assault on our democracy, make no mistake,
and the Congressional Progressive Caucus will fight at every opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Senator Mark Warner, for example, You've got folks we don't
know anything about.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Looking at potentially all of our personal information, all of
the money.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Flows that go out of Treasury.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
The Banking Committee needs to bring up the those folks
who are illegally in.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Treasury and have them testify.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Now, speaking of the new Secretary of the Treasury, Scott
Besson says, nobody's tampering with anything. Nobody's got access to
any of the personal information that is being talked about
the Treasury.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Our payment system is not being touched in terms of
payments being stopped. That is happening upstream at the department
level at Treasury. Our motto is to move deliberately and
fix thing.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I will say this, there has to be Congressional oversight
on this, Democrats have an opportunity to invite I don't
know if they're going to subpoena, but they can obviously
invite Elon Musk and anybody else at DOGE to come
testify before them. But it's incumbent upon Republicans to make
sure that he does do that. Now, going down this
list of these other this group of six young engineers
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who are apparently sort of the task force that has
been unleashed on these different agencies. Gavin Kleiger is a
guy listed him as a special advisor to the Director
of OPM Office of Personnel and Management, who's listed in
internal records as a special advisor to the Director for
Information Technology. This guy was at UC Berkeley until a
few years ago. He worked for the company the AI
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company Data Bricks. He talks about his support for conservative politicians.
He wrote a paper apparently in favor of Matt Gates
that's thinking ship Pete Hegseth as well. Cole Killian is
a guy who also has an email associated with dough.
She's currently listed as a volunteer on his resume says
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he attended McGill University through at least twenty twenty one,
graduated high school back in twenty nineteen. His personal website
also shows that he worked as an engineer at Jump Trading,
specializing in algorithmic and high frequency financial trades. And then
the last guy in this group, Ethan Shautran, told Business
Insider a few months ago he was a senior at
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Harvard studying computer science and also the founder of an
open ai backed startup called energize Ai. He was the
runner up in a hackathon that was held by Musk's
AI company. They said he received about one hundred thousand
dollars grand from open Ai to build a scheduling assistant
that he had come up with. Now, most of these
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guys have working GSA emails and a Suite level clearance,
which means they work out of the agency's top floor,
and they have access to physical bass and some IT systems.
But it's not clear when they have the access to
the IT system. Is it what Scott Bessen said at Treasury,
which is they're just read only. They can't change anything,
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they can't access information, personal information that would be available
or is it more than that? Now, if it's more
than that, that's a massive problem. And they got to
figure that stuff out, because that kind of information wouldn't
necessarily have anything to do with working on government efficiency.
If these guys are just computer coders, more power to them.
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Let's stop with this belief that somehow outside eyeballs on
what the government is doing is inherently bad. It's actually
inherently good. These things need to be exposed. We have
to know what the government is spending money on for
us to make decisions about who we're going to put
in office next time. All right, up next, the evacuation
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Six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on
the iHeartRadio app. I actually thought it was gonna I
thought today was supposed to be somewhat sunny.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It was sprinkly all morning. See what you get for
thinking that's my problem.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
But by again, by the later this afternoon, there will
be some more showers coming in through southern California. I
don't know if it's going to be stronger, but it
is going to be the same style of storm that
we saw over the last couple of days, with just
some steady rain. Probably dinner time ish tonight through tomorrow
morning is what we're looking at in terms of the rain.
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Yesterday I had the weirdest, uh, the weirdest rain related
car issue. I was driving home and I hit a
puddle on the right side of the car. It was
sort of in the curb there, and it's not a
deep puddle. I've seen it before when it rains, it's
a commonplace for there for a puddle to develop. But
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I hit this puddle and immediately I heard this noise
on the side of the car, and I realized that
something from the puddle had gotten jammed up somewhere in
the wheel well, and it was just kind of making
this noise, not loud, not crazy loud. There's no place
for me to pull over and check it out or
anything like that. But I got all the way too
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close to my house. I pull over in like a
Ralph's parking lot, and I get out of the car,
and I realized that on that side of the car,
the splash from the puddle had ripped a piece of
would you call it molding, plastic molding that is that
runs from the back of the front wheel well just
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along the bottom of the car to the front of
the back wheel well, so it's like what a four
maybe five foot piece of plastic, and it had snapped
off of the front half of that, so it was
kind of bent under itself and was dragging on the roadway.
The whole time it was sticking out, nobody said anything
(02:02):
to me. I passed all kinds of people stopped at
plenty of stoplights, and nobody did the thing where they're
like pointing at the hey, hey, that thing is.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Hanging off of your car. Nobody cares anymore?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It is it that nobody cares or they they assume
that I know that there's this giant piece of plastic
hanging off of my car.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean, is that nobody cares? I guess, oh, Michelle,
you're so jaded. I would have said something, well, I hope.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So that's the thing is if there's no way to
tell and listen, if I was in another car, if
I saw that on someone else's car and I pull
up next to him and I roll down the window,
even if it's raining, and just go, hey, you got
a thing sticking out. It's dragging on the road there.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And the.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Best thing they could say is, yeah, I know, I'm
going to get it fixed right now.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
If you see somebody with a flat tire, you reach
out and you point, you go, hey, your tire's flat.
Because a lot of people don't know what it feels
like to drive on flat tire these days, because there's
so many sensors in the car, they assume that the
car is going to tell them in their car or
when their tire is flat. It was just as strange
as that I made it all the way home, and
I mean I was driving for a good ten to
fifteen minutes with this thing dragging on the side of
(03:14):
the car, and I didn't I didn't realize that's what
that was. Easily snapped back into place the car, you
would never be able to tell the difference.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Like it was. It didn't cause any damage.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
There's a couple of scrapes on the bottom of the thing,
but once you snap it back into place, the scrape
side of it actually disappears.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Under the car, so you'll never see it. There's just
if you see somebody with something hanging off of your car,
tell them to tell them you sound like Jimmy Stewart.
My car, my car. Oh just marry. You'll never know.
You'll never guess what happened to you married? My car?
Those falling apart. Nobody told me what am I supposed
(03:53):
to do? Mary? What do you want? Mary? You want me?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You want to you want to tire that's not flat, Murray,
Just pull it down from the moon and I'll.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Give it to you.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Office space is coming to a government agency near you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What would you say you do here?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I mean there are thousands of government employees who are
sitting at a table across from the bobs and trying
to justify their existence at the bottom of the hour,
we're going to talk more about what's going on with
this Department of Government Efficiency and Elon Musk's plan to
try to trim some of the fat that exists in
(04:36):
the federal bureaucracy. Why Democrats are so upset about it. Right,
Republicans are letting this guy do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And the team of.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
People he's got a core group of people that he
has I guess deployed, for lack of a better term,
he deployed to take over some of these agencies and
to dig into at least the computer codes that exist
around the Department of the Treasury, the Office of the USAID,
(05:07):
the CIA. Even so, we'll talk about some of these
literal kids that are involved with the Department of Government
Efficiencies Office of Geek Executives. That's okay, you could change that. Yeah,
I'm sure somebody is probably going to make a T
shirt of that. But nothing, there's nothing inherently wrong with
a twenty year old who is a master coder going
(05:30):
in and looking at computer codes. I think there's this
impression that you've got twenty year olds with beer cans
and chocolate stains on their T shirts going through and
making decisions about what government agencies and specific workers are
valuable and are not.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
That's not what these guys are doing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But we're going to start with what's going on with
this plan for Gaza. Yesterday we were talking about President
Trump's surprise announcement that he wants to turn Gaza into
the riviw area of them vy era of the or
of the Middle East. I shouldn't say the Mediterranean, since
there is already a riviera there, but the the riviera
of the sorry riviera of the Middle East. I said yesterday,
(06:12):
he doesn't have a plan for this. He's just spitballing here.
Apparently I was wrong. This is something he's talked about
for months, and in fact may have gotten the idea
from his son in law, Dimple's Kushner. We'll talk about that.
We'll talk about what's going on with Gaza. We got
doze a lot of fire coverage from next hour. There's
a lot of interesting stuff that's coming up about our fires,
(06:35):
both in Altadena and over in Pacific Palisades. And guests
who sat down with President Trump yesterday, your Governor Gavin Newsom.
We'll talk about that conversation late in the show as well.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I'm glad your co host said it. Yeah, Gary, nobody
cares how many cars you drive by on the highway
that half their front or rear bumper is hanging off.
We don't care because some people are going to take
that as, I don't know, an aggressive move these days,
(07:07):
So to tell people, huh, I guess just got to
suck it up, brother, I did, and I'm everything's fine, yes.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
But nobody cares what you're having issues with on your car.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Remember you're in California, self centered land.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's a good point. But but why can't Why does
it have to be that way? You can't just point
and say, hey, your your tires flat?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You got something hanging off your car?
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Gary, I live out in Oxnard. Been listening to you
all for years. So I once tried to tell someone
that neither of their break lights were on and we
were at a stop sign. Stop light, excuse me? And
I got screamed at for the entire remaining time of
the red light, because of course I was an idiot
and I should have known that they knew that both
(07:58):
of their back break lights are out. Period. I will
no longer be notifying people of issues.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Don't let one, you'll get the I'm telling you, if
you roll down your window and try to say something,
people will think you're trying to scream at them, you're
going to get the finger.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I mean, the one guy said that it may be
seen as an act of aggression.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think that's a little bit over it.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Hey, good morning, Gary. You said you're going to talk
about the doge thing. Yes, next, Why are people freaking
out that he wants to have our tax money dwindle
down to where we may get more money in our
pockets or enough throwing it away on other people's needs
somewhere else and not here. I don't understand that for
the life of me. Why American citizens are upset that
(08:41):
we're looking into our money being spent on foolish things
makes no sense at all.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well, we'll talk about it coming up at the bottom
of the hour. But first we know that President Trump
has said that the United States would somehow take control
of Gaza voluntarily or maybe forcibly, evacuate the two hundred, sorry,
the two million people that live there to other countries
there throughout the Middle East, even though nobody has said
(09:07):
that they would accept them Benjaminette Yahoo, the Prime Minister
of Israel loves the idea you have to rebuild Gaza.
If you want to rebuild Gaza, you can't have.
Speaker 8 (09:16):
This is the first good idea that I've heard.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
It's a remarkable idea, and I think it should be
really pursued.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And yesterday we were saying, I was saying specifically that
this is not a thought out plan.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
This is just sort of a pie in the sky thing.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's also in terms of negotiations for what the future
of Gaza looks like. It's an opportunity for Trump to
do what he has done in the past and make
a big, bold statement and then use that as the
beginning of whatever negotiation he has in mind.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I said there's no plan to it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Some people are saying there is a plan because he
posted on truth Social today and I quote the Gaza
Strip would be turned over to the United States by
Israel at the conclusion of fighting. The Palestinians would have
already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities
with new and modern homes in the region. They would
actually have a chance to be happy, safe and free.
The US working with great development teams from all over
(10:10):
the world would slowly and carefully begin the construction of
what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular
developments of its kind on Earth. No soldiers by the
US would be needed. Stability for the stability for the
region would reign. Now that's not a detailed plan, but
it is more than just saying it's going to turn
into the riviera of the Middle East. So there's an
(10:31):
article in The Telegraph, the London newspaper that says that
this plan is something that's been rattling around his big
brain for some time. About a year ago, Jared Kushner,
first son in law Dimple's Kushner, who in the previous
administration was a Special Envoy to the Middle East, he
(10:52):
said that he would in the when it comes to
the future of Gaza, look at other places around the
world that have been developed a long coastline like Gaza,
and he said that Gaza possessed very valuable waterfront property
and could become a hub for tourism, that is, if
(11:15):
the people of Gaza were relocated, at least temporarily out
of the area. Now he's talking in Miami's referring to
the offices of his investment firm, Affinity Partners, and he
said at the time, I'm not sure anybody's talking about it,
but it's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yesterday morning, sorry, Tuesday morning, after Trump talked about the
plans for Gaza, the world was barely talking about anything else.
Monday morning, when he was waiting for Benjamin Nett Yahoo
to arrive White House, Aids told mister Trump that rebuilding
Gaza would take about fifteen years, and Steve Whitkoff, who
(11:55):
is the new envoy to the Middle East, said, just
the cleanup process, when you're talking about removing debris from
what is it sixteen months of Israeli bombing would take years.
Speaker 9 (12:07):
The disposal effort in Gaza is we estimate three to
five years just to dispose of all the things before
you can look down but believe beneath the surface of
the soil, and then before you get a master plan done.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
By the way, Steve Whitcoff one of the first Western
officials to actually walk through areas of Gaza.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
He did that last week.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
According to Wall Street Journal, Trump told net Yahoo months
ago that the Gaza strip was a prime piece of
real estate and that he should think about what kind
of hotels could be constructed there. So this plan, whatever
it looks like, whatever however it materializes, could potentially just
be like I said the beginning of the negotiation plan,
(12:50):
that would be his style.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But there are ways, it seems that it could be done. Again.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You've got to get whatever Middle East states, whether it's Jordan, Syria, Egypt,
Saudi Arabia, you've got to get more than just a
couple of them to agree to resettle two million Palestinians.
And no one is on board with that now because,
among other things, taking away Gaza from Palestinians would mean
there is no two state solution, and most of those
(13:19):
other Middle East states have said that they want a
two state solution. Side note, Benjamin Netanyahu apparently gave the
president a golden pager at this visit this week, a
sort of a nod towards the detonation of those pagers
in the hands of the Hesbalah operatives earlier in the year.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Later later last year, I should say, all right, what
is it you.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Say you do here? The bobs are running amok. When
it comes to the federal government, we'll talk about what
DOJE is. And this team of very young but very
smart young people who are at the center of this
government takeover. It's a little harsh, but this government cleanup,
(14:05):
that's what we'll call it. Shannon's out today, back tomorrow
for some quick dental work. Economic losses from the fires
they tore through La County could range from ninety five
billion up to one hundred and sixty four billion. This
is a new report from a couple of UCLA economists.
I mean that it would mean that these fires here
in southern California last month would be the second costliest
(14:26):
natural disaster in history. The Eton Fire and the Palisades
Fire killed at least twenty nine people, burn more than
thirty seven thousand acres, destroyed sixteen thousand structures, including more
than eleven thousand single family homes. And if you're just
talking about the insured losses, they're talking about seventy five
billion dollars. We'll talk next hour a little bit more
(14:49):
about some of the fire stuff, including what the LAUSD
is going to do to fast track rebuilding some of
the schools, especially over the Palisades area, and then also
the EPA and where they're going to be putting together
a household hazardous waste of facility as they try to
clean out what's left of the palisades. A state of
emergency has been declared on the Greek island of Santorini.
(15:12):
It's been rattled, we told you, by dozens of earthquakes
over the last several days, but a strong earthquake, a
five point two is the most powerful to have hit
that island in recent weeks. It happened at a depth
of about three miles, and as we know that that's
a pretty good shaker that you could feel pretty well.
Thousands of people have gotten off of the island and
some of the neighboring islands and the GNC because they're
afraid that they a massive earthquake is about to hit
(15:36):
that could bring a tsunami, even a volcanic eruption. Perhaps, well,
I feel better that I'm not the only one who
would have pointed something out if my car was trailing
a giant piece of plastic.
Speaker 10 (15:49):
Hey gear bear, hey, on the freeway with a car problem, Yeah,
I would have said something. I know a lot of
people really don't care, but I know sometimes.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We both got it. But he was going to be
nice to me, I think, And here it goes.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oje is burrowing into different parts of the government and
trying to root out different waste in the government. And
of course it's the agency, this pseudo government agency that's
led by Elon Musk. We talked about it yesterday in
terms of people bad mouthing Elon Musk because he's a
(16:31):
billionaire that that somehow means that he doesn't have the
United States best interests at heart. And at the center
of all of what DOGE is doing is a group of.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Kids.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I mean, they're all men legally, but this group of
about six young men, all between the ages of nineteen
and twenty four, they don't have very much, if any,
government experience, and now they're playing critical roles in the
Department of Government Efficiency because the Executive Order says that
(17:14):
DOGE is tasked with modernizing federal technology and software to
maximize government efficiency and productivity. They all hold jobs with DOGE.
They're all weird job titles, and at least one of
these guys is working completely as a volunteer. So let's
talk about who they are. Akash Boba, Edward Korustein, Luke Farrator,
(17:42):
Gatti a cole Killian, Gavin Kleiger, and Ethan Shautran Wired
Magazine put together sort of a profile of each of
these guys and to give you an idea of what
it is that they are doing. Akash Bolba went to Berkeley.
(18:04):
He won the Management, Entrepreneurship and Technology Sorry, he was
in that program. According to a copy of his now
deleted linked in, he was an investment engineering intern at
the Bridgewater Associate's Hedge Fund as of last spring, an
intern at Meta, an intern at Pallenteer also featured guest
on a podcast with Aman Manazer, an engineer who interviews
(18:27):
engineers about how they land their dream jobs. He talked
about those experiences in a podcast last June.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Edward Corsateam.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
May have just recently graduated from high school and was
to have been enrolled at Northeastern University. According to a
copy of his resume, he spent three months at Neuralink,
which of course is the brain computer interface company that
Elon must put together. Both of these guys are listed
in records as experts at OPM and they report directly
(19:00):
to Amanda Scales, which is a new chief of staff.
Scales previously worked on talent for Xai, which is the
artificial intelligence company The Elon must put together. Employees at
General Services Administration have said that Corstein has appeared on
calls where workers were made to go over code they
(19:21):
had written and to justify their jobs, which of course
brings up the old office space meme.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What would you say you do here?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Coursu Teine also added to a call with GSA staff
members using a non government Gmail address, and they were
not given an explanation as to why who he was
or why he was even on the call.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Luke Ferrator, another one of these was working GSA email
has a working GSA email address. A former intern at SpaceX,
currently a Field Fellow, according to his LinkedIn, dropped out
of the UNI Diversity of Nebraska, Lincoln. This is a
guy who, while he was at University of Nebraska Lincoln,
(20:06):
was part of an award winning team that deciphered portions
of an ancient Greek scholl a scroll using artificial intelligence.
These are not dumb people. We're talking about this Department
of Government Efficiency. What is it actually doing while it's
going through these different agencies?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Hey, Gary, I used to live right across the street
from SpaceX.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Man, he had them kids out there.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Designing that super tunnel. Get down for Dodger Stadium to
downtown Los Angeles or just a whole infrastructure on how
that is. That's what he does, man, you know, and
kids are super smart like that, So I don't see
no problem with the young minds trying to come up
(20:50):
with new ideals.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, I do know.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
Hey, Gary, if Biden brought Bill Gates and and a
bunch of twenty year olds to do the same thing
Elon Musk is doing with that had been okay, I
don't think so. I don't think it's okay what Elon's doing.
They're not government employees. It just seems wrong and probably
is well.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Listen, when it comes to that, I have been pretty
consistent in that whatever government is needs to be reliant
upon us for permission to do the things it does.
Whether it's a member of Congress, whether it's a member
of a bureaucracy, or whatever it is. We are the
ones that drive the bus. So the more information we
(21:29):
have about what's going on, I think is a good thing.
And if you agree with or don't agree with whatever
funding exists at USAID or any of these other groups,
then that will determine how you vote for people And
like it or not, whether we voted for him or not,
the guy in the White House is the one who's
(21:50):
in charge. It was the same thing for Biden, it's
the same thing for Trump. Now, there were a lot
of people who obviously do not like this. What they
refer to us a takeover democracy.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
We're witnessing an assault on our democracy, make no mistake,
and the Congressional Progressive Caucus will fight at every opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Senator Mark Warner, for example, You've got folks we don't
know anything about.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
Looking at potentially all of our personal information, all of
the money.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Flows that go out of Treasury.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
The Banking Committee needs to bring up the those folks
who are illegally in.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Treasury and have them testify.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Now, speaking of the new Secretary of the Treasury, Scott
Besson says, nobody's tampering with anything. Nobody's got access to
any of the personal information that is being talked about
the Treasury.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Our payment system is not being touched in terms of
payments being stopped. That is happening upstream at the department
level at Treasury. Our motto is to move deliberately and
fix thing.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I will say this, there has to be Congressional oversight
on this, Democrats have an opportunity to invite I don't
know if they're going to subpoena, but they can obviously
invite Elon Musk and anybody else at DOGE to come
testify before them. But it's incumbent upon Republicans to make
sure that he does do that. Now, going down this
list of these other this group of six young engineers
(23:20):
who are apparently sort of the task force that has
been unleashed on these different agencies. Gavin Kleiger is a
guy listed him as a special advisor to the Director
of OPM Office of Personnel and Management, who's listed in
internal records as a special advisor to the Director for
Information Technology. This guy was at UC Berkeley until a
few years ago. He worked for the company the AI
(23:43):
company Data Bricks. He talks about his support for conservative politicians.
He wrote a paper apparently in favor of Matt Gates
that's thinking ship Pete Hegseth as well. Cole Killian is
a guy who also has an email associated with dough.
She's currently listed as a volunteer on his resume says
(24:07):
he attended McGill University through at least twenty twenty one,
graduated high school back in twenty nineteen. His personal website
also shows that he worked as an engineer at Jump Trading,
specializing in algorithmic and high frequency financial trades. And then
the last guy in this group, Ethan Shautran, told Business
Insider a few months ago he was a senior at
(24:28):
Harvard studying computer science and also the founder of an
open ai backed startup called energize Ai. He was the
runner up in a hackathon that was held by Musk's
AI company. They said he received about one hundred thousand
dollars grand from open Ai to build a scheduling assistant
that he had come up with. Now, most of these
(24:49):
guys have working GSA emails and a Suite level clearance,
which means they work out of the agency's top floor,
and they have access to physical bass and some IT systems.
But it's not clear when they have the access to
the IT system. Is it what Scott Bessen said at Treasury,
which is they're just read only. They can't change anything,
(25:11):
they can't access information, personal information that would be available
or is it more than that? Now, if it's more
than that, that's a massive problem. And they got to
figure that stuff out, because that kind of information wouldn't
necessarily have anything to do with working on government efficiency.
If these guys are just computer coders, more power to them.
(25:33):
Let's stop with this belief that somehow outside eyeballs on
what the government is doing is inherently bad. It's actually
inherently good. These things need to be exposed. We have
to know what the government is spending money on for
us to make decisions about who we're going to put
in office next time. All right, up next, the evacuation
(25:54):
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